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Title: Thread for T&T vs Guatemala (18-Jul-2021)
Post by: Flex on July 07, 2021, 03:18:51 PM
As usual, any updates/scores, shout-outs, reports, predictions, views, etc, on the T&T vs Guatemala (https://www.espn.com/soccer/match/_/gameId/602703) Concacaf Gold Cup Group A game at the Toyota Stadium in Texas from 10pm on the 18th of July 2021 will be posted here, this way, we can maintain the message board and not make it look too scrappy with un-necessary or related headlines and postings on game day.

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Possible TV Station.

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Trinidad & Tobago Squad

Goalkeepers:

Adrian Foncette (Police FC), Nicklas Frenderup (Ranheim Il—Denmark), Marvin Phillip (Unattached);

Defenders:

Radanfah Abu Bakr (Unattached), Aubrey David (Deportivo Saprissa—Costa Rica), Justin Garcia (Defence Force), Curtis Gonzales (Defence Force), Jelani Peters (Pittsburgh Riverhounds—USA), Triston Hodge (Colorado Springs Switchbacks FC—USA), Alvin Jones (Unattached), Ross Russell Jr (Terminix La Horquetta Rangers), Jesse Williams (Unattached), Mekeil Williams (Pittsburgh Riverhounds—USA), Noah Powder (Real Salt Lake—USA);

Midfielders:

Hashim Arcia (Defence Force), Andre Fortune II (Memphis 901 FC—USA), Duane Muckette (Unattached), Molik Khan (Club Sando), Kevin Molino (Columbus Crew—USA), Neveal Hackshaw (Indy Eleven—USA), Khaleem Hyland (Al Batin—Saudi Arabia), Judah Garcia (Unattached);

Forwards:

Marcus Joseph (Unattached), Isaiah Lee (Terminix La Horquetta Rangers), Reon Moore (Defence Force), Ryan Telfer (Atletico Ottawa—Canada).

Coach - Angus Eve (TRI).

Guatemala Squad

Goalkeepers:

Nicholas Hagen (Sabail), Ricardo Jerez (Municipal), Braulio Linares (Antigua).

Defenders:

Kervin Garcia (Coban Imperial), Gerardo Gordillo (UTC), Moises Hernandez (Antigua), Matan Peleg (Hapoel Kfar Saba), Wilson Pineda (Guastatoya), Jose Carlos Pinto (Comunicaciones), Stheven Robels (Comunicaciones).

Midfielders:

Rudy Barrientos (Municipal), Marvin Ceballos (Leones Negros), Marco Dominguez (Antigua), Luis Martinez (Guastatoya), John Mendez (Municipal), Jose Ruiz (Coban Imperial), Oscar Santis (Comunicaciones), Rodrigo Saravia (Comunicaciones).

Forwards:

Jairo Arreola (Antigua), Robin Betancourth (Coban Imperial), Darwin Lom (California United Strikers), Jose Carlos Martinez (Municipal), Jorge Vargas (Guastatoya).

Coach - Rafael Loredo (MEX).

Title: Who are Curacao and what is Guus Hiddink doing there?
Post by: Tallman on July 09, 2021, 07:07:22 AM
Who are Curacao and what is Guus Hiddink doing there?
By Paul Okey (planetsport.com)


Guus Hiddink has managed European giants such as PSV, Valencia, Real Madrid and Chelsea, and twice led the Netherlands national team, so there was some surprise when he was named manager of Curacao - an island more noted for baseball than soccer.

And there was no one more shocked than their manager at the time, Remko Bicentini.

Bicentini had picked up the reins from Patrick Kluivert in 2016, guiding the tiny island nation to their first Caribbean Cup success in 2017 and the quarter-final of the 2019 Gold Cup.

A 1-0 last-eight defeat to the USA showed Curacao - population 160,000 - could compete with the region's big guns. However, with the qualification stages for the 2022 World Cup in Qatar on the horizon, the Curacao Football Federation decided a change was needed.

Unfortunately, they failed to tell Bicentini, who only found out when his daughter got in touch to say she had seen Hiddink being interviewed about his new role.

"I am very disappointed in Guus Hiddink," said Bicentini.

The move was not well received by the players, either, with Perth Glory centre-back Darryl Lachman one of a number to voice their disapproval at the way the situation was managed.

For Hiddink, however, it was another potential underdog story to add to his incredible World Cup history.

Having guided both the unfancied South Korea and Russia to the last four of the competition and overseen Australia's first qualification in 32 years, the chance to take the 80th-ranked side to Qatar was an opportunity too good to turn down.

Hiddink said: "It may not be obvious, but it was difficult to say 'no'.

"Curacao has made good steps in recent years.

"I would like to help the players and staff to get one step higher in the international ladder."

Hiddink's reign began impressively with a 5-0 win over St Vincent and the Grenadines, which was quickly followed by a 2-1 success over Cuba.

Huddersfield Town's Juninho Bacuna scored his first two goals for Curacao in the win over St Vincent and was joined in the side by older brother Leandro, who is currently at Cardiff City.

Coventry City's Gervane Kastaneer is also part of the squad, while Hiddink has set his sights on persuading a number of Dutch players to switch their allegiances to a country which was only formed in 2011 after the Greater Antilles were dissolved.

A FIFA rule change means a player who has earned up to three caps before the age of 21 can switch allegiances. It has allowed Hiddink to call on the services of RKC Waalwijk's former Newcastle United defensive midfielder Vurnon Anita, who was born in the capital, Willemstad.

Manchester United winger Tahith Chong, also born in Willemstad, is another earmarked for a call-up, as is Vitesse Arnhem's Riechedly Bazoer.

However, 24-year-old Bazoer has so far resisted, insisting a recall to the Oranje squad is his primary focus.

Speaking about the possibility of bolstering his side with players who have family ties to the island, Hiddink said: "A career could go wrong for a while, or there will be a new policy and then you can be disqualified as a player. This is a shame when you are so young. Now the boys still have the opportunity to build an international career."

The Dutch links are not just restricted to the personnel side either, with Curacao employing a style of soccer borne out of Kluivert's schooling at Ajax and in direct contrast to the negative tactics of some of their Caribbean rivals.

Neat possession-based soccer allowed them to thrash the British Virgin Islands 8-0 and draw with Guatemala to top their group and move one step closer to Qatar. However, it was Kluivert at the helm again on a temporary basis after Hiddink contracted COVID.

The Dutch legend was allowed leave from his academy director role at Barcelona but was unable to prevent Los Azules bowing out on aggregate at the hands of Panama.

A 2-1 away defeat was followed by a 0-0 draw in Willemstad to end the World Cup dream, despite an impassioned pre-match message from Hiddink. A Jarchinio Antonia shot which hit the bar was as close as the hosts got to levelling, although they had to be thankful for a Eloy Room penalty save just after half-time for keeping them in the game.

Despite the exit, Kluivert is set to continue in his interim role through the Gold Cup, with Hiddink still not well enough to return to his post.

El Salvador, Mexico and Trinidad and Tobago make up their group and there is a quiet confidence among Curacaoans that an escape from the group is possible - even without Hiddink working his qualification magic.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Curaçao (18-Jul-2021)
Post by: royal on July 09, 2021, 09:09:14 AM
This is a very tough game for us.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Curaçao (18-Jul-2021)
Post by: royal on July 09, 2021, 09:47:36 AM
Curacao dealing with a Covid outbreak in its squad ahead of its Gold Cup opener tomorrow against El Salvador.

https://twitter.com/ArnoldcommaJon/status/1413522802720845826/photo/1
Title: Concacaf Statement – Curacao Delegation at 2021 Gold Cup
Post by: Tallman on July 09, 2021, 05:57:39 PM
Concacaf Statement – Curacao Delegation at 2021 Gold Cup
Concacaf.com


All national teams participating in this summer’s Concacaf Gold Cup are following strict health and safety protocols, including regular COVID-19 testing.

Ahead of the start of the Gold Cup Group Stage, all competing national teams went through several rounds of testing and, unfortunately, the Curaçao delegation returned a significant number of positive results across their staff and players in the last round of testing.

All of the individuals were immediately isolated, and Concacaf and the Curaçao Football Federation are ensuring that they are being offered the necessary support.

Although several Curacao players returned a negative test result, local state guidelines require several of them to isolate due to being close contacts of those who tested positive. In light of these circumstances, Concacaf and the Curaçao Football Federation have mutually agreed that Curaçao will not participate in the Gold Cup.

Concacaf and the Curacao Football Federation have made every effort to find a solution that would enable Curaçao to compete, however the health and safety of the Curaçao players and staff, and all participants in the tournament, must be prioritized.

The next highest ranked team from the Gold Cup Preliminary Round (Prelims) is Guatemala. This is based on performance on the field (wins, draws and goal difference) in the Prelims matches played at DRV PNK Stadium in South Florida from July 2 to 6. On this basis and per the Gold Cup regulations, the Concacaf Council has unanimously approved an emergency proposal for Guatemala to replace Curaçao in Group A.

Guatemala’s first Gold Cup Group Stage match against El Salvador will be played on Sunday, July 11 at Toyota Stadium in Frisco, Texas. Further details will be confirmed as soon as possible.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Curaçao (18-Jul-2021)
Post by: 100% Barataria on July 09, 2021, 06:31:48 PM
Huge news!
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Curaçao (18-Jul-2021)
Post by: Peong on July 09, 2021, 07:32:28 PM
Wey boy that's a big shift. Sorry for Curacao and Kluivert. I was looking forward to it. Tallman hadda change the thread title now.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Curaçao (18-Jul-2021)
Post by: gawd on pitch on July 09, 2021, 07:38:04 PM
Huge news!

Yes. But I hope you ain't implying that it is a benefit for us? We haven't played the new Curacao with the introduction of top flight Dutch boys. I was hoping to see this game. But it is what it is.

So once we have a higher goals for than El Salvador, we can pull a tie and qualify.. Not sure if that really proves or tests the team. However as the saying goes, "we go take dat".
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Curaçao (18-Jul-2021)
Post by: gawd on pitch on July 09, 2021, 08:06:07 PM
Concacaf, do the logical thing,  fill that spot with French Guyana or Bermuda.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Curaçao (18-Jul-2021)
Post by: gawd on pitch on July 09, 2021, 09:29:16 PM
So guess who replace Curacao?

Guatemala. We play them last game.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Curaçao (18-Jul-2021)
Post by: Deeks on July 09, 2021, 11:33:23 PM
Speaking with former national player Mike Grayson. He said the small nations have had  a difficult time preparing their teams because of the covid situation. Everybody wants  to prepare their team, but nobody wants to contract covid. The US, Mex, Canada, CR have had the resources to isolate and training while under medical supervision. At the same time being able to play regular league and friendly competitions. Small islands and country dont have the resources to do that.

This make our group real tough. I have seen Guatemala play Guadeloupe. Both sides were good. Guatemala lost on PKs. I can't say anything on Curacao because I have not see them play in ages. It will be extremely tough for our guys especially with the injuries we have.  Good Luck Warriors.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Curaçao (18-Jul-2021)
Post by: pull stones on July 10, 2021, 12:39:36 AM
Speaking with former national player Mike Grayson. He said the small nations have had  a difficult time preparing their teams because of the covid situation. Everybody wants  to prepare their team, but nobody wants to contract covid. The US, Mex, Canada, CR have had the resources to isolate and training while under medical supervision. At the same time being able to play regular league and friendly competitions. Small islands and country dont have the resources to do that.

This make our group real tough. I have seen Guatemala play Guadeloupe. Both sides were good. Guatemala lost on PKs. I can't say anything on Curacao because I have not see them play in ages. It will be extremely tough for our guys especially with the injuries we have.  Good Luck Warriors.
what you on about mate, guatemala is a soft side compared with curacao. the central amerucans are not as speedy and physically challenging as these caribbean teams. i believe that we dodged a great challenge, there's no doubt about it, curacao is much better technically and physically and even mexico will struggle to beat them, but that's just my opinion.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Curaçao (18-Jul-2021)
Post by: asylumseeker on July 10, 2021, 03:49:46 AM
Curacao dealing with a Covid outbreak in its squad ahead of its Gold Cup opener tomorrow against El Salvador.

https://twitter.com/ArnoldcommaJon/status/1413522802720845826/photo/1

A forensic investigation may burrow a rabbit hole. Things that make you go "hmmm". Having read that, even more curious.

Also wonder how this impacts Curacao's $US 100, 000.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Curaçao (18-Jul-2021)
Post by: 100% Barataria on July 10, 2021, 06:04:44 AM
Huge news!

Yes. But I hope you ain't implying that it is a benefit for us? We haven't played the new Curacao with the introduction of top flight Dutch boys. I was hoping to see this game. But it is what it is.

So once we have a higher goals for than El Salvador, we can pull a tie and qualify.. Not sure if that really proves or tests the team. However as the saying goes, "we go take dat".

Yeah, this could either way....i too was curious to see how we match up vs Kluivert side but that said, Guat fear us from long time, but this is a different TT side.  No easy games in this GC especially with where our football is, so let's see...give it your all guys...is all you can do
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Curaçao (18-Jul-2021)
Post by: Deeks on July 10, 2021, 06:56:57 AM
Speaking with former national player Mike Grayson. He said the small nations have had  a difficult time preparing their teams because of the covid situation. Everybody wants  to prepare their team, but nobody wants to contract covid. The US, Mex, Canada, CR have had the resources to isolate and training while under medical supervision. At the same time being able to play regular league and friendly competitions. Small islands and country dont have the resources to do that.

This make our group real tough. I have seen Guatemala play Guadeloupe. Both sides were good. Guatemala lost on PKs. I can't say anything on Curacao because I have not see them play in ages. It will be extremely tough for our guys especially with the injuries we have.  Good Luck Warriors.
what you on about mate, guatemala is a soft side compared with curacao. the central amerucans are not as speedy and physically challenging as these caribbean teams. i believe that we dodged a great challenge, there's no doubt about it, curacao is much better technically and physically and even mexico will struggle to beat them, but that's just my opinion.

Again Pull, This TT team could not put one pass Bahamas just a month ago. Like I said, I have not seen Curacao played in a long time. On paper they may be the best side in the tournament. I am not going by what I see on paper. I have seen Guatemala and yes they are not physical or speedy. But they are match fit and use their skills football wisely. Also they will do quite a bit of diving and feigning injuries to get the refs attention. Our group has 3 Spanish speaking teams. Our first and main attention is Mex. forget El Sal., Guate., Curacao for now. If we get a tie tonight , I will be both surprise and satisfied.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Curaçao (18-Jul-2021)
Post by: Flex on July 10, 2021, 03:43:25 PM
Guatemala replaces Curacao at Gold Cup following COVID-19 outbreak. The 2021 Concacaf Gold Cup is set to get underway on Saturday night and one National Team has had to leave the competition due to an outbreak of COVID-19 within the squad.



Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Guatemala (18-Jul-2021)
Post by: ABTrini on July 16, 2021, 08:28:48 AM
Anther test coming up- Guat did put up a fight against Mexico and had some offensive attacks going- at this stage in our development no team is a pushover- even today if we faced Anguilla or Bangadlesh we would be in for a test.
Hope to see improvements in:

striker position- some one has to step up and create havoc in the box
 We need to be more of an offensive threat
3. Our offensive build up and attack have to be evident as we press forward and keep pressure on defence
4. Need some creative flair up front
5 - our midfield trio needs some work- not defensively on the ball not offensively controlling or setting up the attack
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Guatemala (18-Jul-2021)
Post by: lefty on July 16, 2021, 08:45:26 AM
Anther test coming up- Guat did put up a fight against Mexico and had some offensive attacks going- at this stage in our development no team is a pushover- even today if we faced Anguilla or Bangadlesh we would be in for a test.
Hope to see improvements in:

striker position- some one has to step up and create havoc in the box
 We need to be more of an offensive threat
3. Our offensive build up and attack have to be evident as we press forward and keep pressure on defence
4. Need some creative flair up front
5 - our midfield trio needs some work- not defensively on the ball not offensively controlling or setting up the attack

we have no choice but to go for it. with a slim mathematical chance we hadda score goals we might also not concede but at this stage all bets are off
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Guatemala (18-Jul-2021)
Post by: Flex on July 16, 2021, 07:17:32 PM
Soca Warriors defender David: We have to get back to the drawing board.
By Joel Bailey (T&T Newsday).


TRINIDAD AND Tobago defender Aubrey David described as “disappointing” his team’s 2-0 defeat to El Salvador on Wednesday evening, in their second Group A match of the Concacaf Gold Cup.

At the Toyota Stadium in Frisco, Texas, United States, El Salvador got goals from Jairo Henriquez, in the 30th minute, and Walmer Martinez, in the first minute of second-half stoppage time.

El Salvador lead the group with six points, followed by Mexico (four), T&T (one) and Guatemala (zero).

El Salvador booked a spot into the quarter-final round, while T&T will have to defeat Guatemala on Sunday, and hope for a massive win for El Salvador over Mexico, to finish second in the group, and also advance to the knockout stage.

“It was a disappointing result for us,” said David, during a post-game interview. “It’s not one that we wanted for sure. We went with the aim to get three points and be comfortable in the group.”

David continued, “It didn’t happen that way. I think we could’ve gotten more from the game. It was a complicated game but we played (better) in the second half. We have to get back to the drawing board and look forward to the next game.”

T&T held defending champions Mexico to a goalless draw on Saturday but suffered a serious setback against an El Salvador team coached by former US midfielder Hugo Perez.

Defensive midfielder Neveal Hackshaw said, “We went loose once or twice, and they got a couple of chances. We also had chances, but we didn’t take them.”

Asked about the tactics employed by T&T coach Angus Eve, Hackshaw responded, “We wanted to play in the first half on the break with (captain Kevin) Molino and (Ryan) Telfer. In the second half, we wanted to utilise the wing-backs to get in behind (them).”

RELATED NEWS

Soca Warriors coach Angus Eve encouraged by growth of team.
By Joel Bailey (T&T Newsday).


INTERIM coach of the Trinidad and Tobago men’s football team Angus Eve said on Thursday morning that he was disappointed by his team’s 2-0 defeat against El Salvador on Wednesday, in their second Concacaf Gold Cup Group A encounter, at the Toyota Stadium, Frisco, Texas, United States.

The result leaves T&T in third spot on the four-team group with one point (following their goalless draw against Mexico last Saturday).

El Salvador guaranteed a place in the last eight, since they have six points from two games, while Mexico are in second place with four points. Mexico whipped Guatemala 3-0 on Wednesday.

The final matches in the group will be contested on Sunday, with T&T facing cellar-placed Guatemala and Mexico opposing El Salvador.

In a Zoom media conference with members of the T&T media, Eve said, “I’m disappointed in the result obviously, but I think a lot of encouragement in the performance of the team, playing against one of the teams who would have qualified proper for the Gold Cup and probably fresher than us.”

The former T&T captain and midfielder continued, “In the first half, it showed. I thought a much-improved performance in the second half but probably we deserved to get a little bit more out of the game. It augurs well for the work we’ve been doing in a very short space of time. It’s encouragement for the future.”

Security around the T&T team in Texas was beefed up after the players and technical staff received death threats and racist attacks, after the Mexico fixture.

“We try to keep them as comfortable as possible,” Eve said. “We had no security when we came here (in the US), except when we were going to the games. Now it’s very visible around them. We have a private detail in the hotel because the threats were that bad.”

The T&T coach continued, “I don’t know if that played a part in the players’ mental, hence the reason why we may have started a bit slow (on Wednesday). It has taken some adjusting to. “If somebody is threatening your life and calling your family back home, it’s unfortunate that this had to happen. We’re not going to make than an excuse for anything.”

Eve made seven changes to his starting line-up for the El Salvador game, including recalling regular starters Kevin Molino (captain), fellow midfielder Neveal Hackshaw and goalkeeper Nicklas Frenderup. According to the T&T tactician, “We know that a lot of our players have not been playing for a very long time. We just had three weeks to put this group (of players) together. We knew that against Mexico we had to be resolute, and we were trying to get something out of the game which we did. We know that, in the other games, we’ll want to express ourselves a bit more.”

Eve said his players were quiet and equally disappointed after the 2-0 defeat on Wednesday.

“They believed they gave everything that they had. We can’t fault any of the players for the effort that they had given. The dressing room was quiet, you could hear a pin drop.” Looking ahead to the Guatemala game, Eve said, “We have the same mindset. Coming into this tournament, our particular goal was to try and get into the group stage. Coming out of a failed World Cup campaign, we thought realistically what we had to do is to improve the performances of the team.

“We’re basically using this tournament as a trial for our players,” he added. “To think that we can come and dominate teams who are (still) in the World Cup (qualifiers) and, without the likes of Sheldon Bateau and Levi Garcia, we think, so far, it is a good showing, to keep our ambition realistic. We would try to do something in the next game.”

Watch Press Conference with Angus Eve (Virtual) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8crQwz94gA0)

Watch Frenderup : We are disappointed but not dispirited (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxuVchui6xY)

Watch Molino wants same mentality in upcoming clash with Guatemala (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9yPF8EAQYg)

Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Guatemala (18-Jul-2021)
Post by: pull stones on July 17, 2021, 04:02:30 AM
Anther test coming up- Guat did put up a fight against Mexico and had some offensive attacks going- at this stage in our development no team is a pushover- even today if we faced Anguilla or Bangadlesh we would be in for a test.
Hope to see improvements in:

striker position- some one has to step up and create havoc in the box
 We need to be more of an offensive threat
3. Our offensive build up and attack have to be evident as we press forward and keep pressure on defence
4. Need some creative flair up front
5 - our midfield trio needs some work- not defensively on the ball not offensively controlling or setting up the attack

we have no choice but to go for it. with a slim mathematical chance we hadda score goals we might also not concede but at this stage all bets are off
stop worrying your head mate and just rock back and enjoy our last game in a while. as previously mentioned, mexico is a top team in the world for a reason, they don’t fall victim to minnows, but instead go out and get the job done with precision and accuracy. they don’t live in wonderland like us in CFU, in reality they are concacaf giants for a reason.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Guatemala (18-Jul-2021)
Post by: lefty on July 17, 2021, 10:49:45 AM
Anther test coming up- Guat did put up a fight against Mexico and had some offensive attacks going- at this stage in our development no team is a pushover- even today if we faced Anguilla or Bangadlesh we would be in for a test.
Hope to see improvements in:

striker position- some one has to step up and create havoc in the box
 We need to be more of an offensive threat
3. Our offensive build up and attack have to be evident as we press forward and keep pressure on defence
4. Need some creative flair up front
5 - our midfield trio needs some work- not defensively on the ball not offensively controlling or setting up the attack

we have no choice but to go for it. with a slim mathematical chance we hadda score goals we might also not concede but at this stage all bets are off
stop worrying your head mate and just rock back and enjoy our last game in a while. as previously mentioned, mexico is a top team in the world for a reason, they don’t fall victim to minnows, but instead go out and get the job done with precision and accuracy. they don’t live in wonderland like us in CFU, in reality they are concacaf giants for a reason.

nah I not worrying I know is ah fraction of ah percentage odds, I jus want to see us play with more enterprise from d word go
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Guatemala (18-Jul-2021)
Post by: pull stones on July 17, 2021, 11:59:27 PM
Anther test coming up- Guat did put up a fight against Mexico and had some offensive attacks going- at this stage in our development no team is a pushover- even today if we faced Anguilla or Bangadlesh we would be in for a test.
Hope to see improvements in:

striker position- some one has to step up and create havoc in the box
 We need to be more of an offensive threat
3. Our offensive build up and attack have to be evident as we press forward and keep pressure on defence
4. Need some creative flair up front
5 - our midfield trio needs some work- not defensively on the ball not offensively controlling or setting up the attack

we have no choice but to go for it. with a slim mathematical chance we hadda score goals we might also not concede but at this stage all bets are off
stop worrying your head mate and just rock back and enjoy our last game in a while. as previously mentioned, mexico is a top team in the world for a reason, they don’t fall victim to minnows, but instead go out and get the job done with precision and accuracy. they don’t live in wonderland like us in CFU, in reality they are concacaf giants for a reason.

nah I not worrying I know is ah fraction of ah percentage odds, I jus want to see us play with more enterprise from d word go
which enterprise you want, the one in chaguanas or the one in space?
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Guatemala (18-Jul-2021)
Post by: asylumseeker on July 18, 2021, 05:16:34 AM
Anther test coming up- Guat did put up a fight against Mexico and had some offensive attacks going- at this stage in our development no team is a pushover- even today if we faced Anguilla or Bangadlesh we would be in for a test.
Hope to see improvements in:

striker position- some one has to step up and create havoc in the box
 We need to be more of an offensive threat
3. Our offensive build up and attack have to be evident as we press forward and keep pressure on defence
4. Need some creative flair up front
5 - our midfield trio needs some work- not defensively on the ball not offensively controlling or setting up the attack

we have no choice but to go for it. with a slim mathematical chance we hadda score goals we might also not concede but at this stage all bets are off
stop worrying your head mate and just rock back and enjoy our last game in a while. as previously mentioned, mexico is a top team in the world for a reason, they don’t fall victim to minnows, but instead go out and get the job done with precision and accuracy. they don’t live in wonderland like us in CFU, in reality they are concacaf giants for a reason.

nah I not worrying I know is ah fraction of ah percentage odds, I jus want to see us play with more enterprise from d word go
which enterprise you want, the one in chaguanas or the one in space?

Enterprise is like political will: It can happen if the "powers that be" insist on pursuing the agenda.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Guatemala (18-Jul-2021)
Post by: asylumseeker on July 18, 2021, 11:09:17 AM
Post your gut as to the starters you think will feature tonight and post your view on how you would like the team to start (if there's a difference between both).
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Guatemala (18-Jul-2021)
Post by: asylumseeker on July 18, 2021, 02:49:02 PM
Post your gut as to the starters you think will feature tonight and post your view on how you would like the team to start (if there's a difference between both).

I wouldn't be surprised to see Foncette.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Guatemala (18-Jul-2021)
Post by: asylumseeker on July 18, 2021, 04:38:50 PM
Guatemala will likely play 4 in the back today.

While there's a notably slim chance Lodero would go with 3 and load the MF, historically he favors 4-5-1 or 4-4-2 for success.

Although he intends on being offensive-minded, it would be a departure for him (a) to play 4-3-3 or (b) 4 lines.

The reasonably safe money is on him being conservative (4-5-1/4-4-2) and attempting to negate both the center and the flanks while proposing an attacking threat ... because he likes to keep things as uncomplicated and straightforward as possible.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Guatemala (18-Jul-2021)
Post by: kounty on July 18, 2021, 05:42:49 PM


Post your gut as to the starters you think will feature tonight and post your view on how you would like the team to start (if there's a difference between both).

Maybe :
Frenderup
Jones
David
Abu Bakr
Williams
Powder
Khan
Muckette
Molino
  Moore
Telfer




maybe I missed if Khan ever came on and shat himself. can't remember how powder played either if he ever came on, but club page says he can play left mid.


but eve keep pickin jelani peters, marcus joseph and russel jr..and i would like a rest from dem.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Guatemala (18-Jul-2021)
Post by: asylumseeker on July 18, 2021, 06:17:32 PM
Who is your alternative to Khan? He wasn't recalled.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Guatemala (18-Jul-2021)
Post by: kounty on July 18, 2021, 06:56:23 PM
Who is your alternative to Khan? He wasn't recalled.
Frenderup
Jones
David
Abu Bakr
Williams
Powder
Hachshaw
Muckette
Molino
  Moore
Telfer



...and not b/c i'm a great fan of Hackshaw so far, but i think he could improve...and muckette could add more fight to his game.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Guatemala (18-Jul-2021)
Post by: Flex on July 18, 2021, 07:40:40 PM
T&T: 1.Marvin Phillip (capt); 16.Alvin Jones, 2.Aubrey David, 18.Triston Hodge, 8.Mekeil Williams, 11.Noah Powder, 13.Reon Moore, 23.Jesse Williams, 3.Hashim Arcia, 14.Andre Fortune II, 9.Marcus Joseph.

Substitutes: 21.Nicklas Frenderup (GK), 22.Adrian Foncette (GK), 4.Jelani Peters, 5.Curtis Gonzales, 6.Radanfah Abu Bakr, 7.Ryan Telfer, 10.Kevin Molino, 12.Isaiah Lee, 15.Neveal Hackshaw, 17.Justin Garcia, 19.Ross Russell Jr, 20.Duane Muckette.

Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Guatemala (18-Jul-2021)
Post by: Peong on July 18, 2021, 07:53:43 PM
No Molino is a surprise. 2 Strikers we startin with? All the best to the team.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Guatemala (18-Jul-2021)
Post by: ZANDOLIE on July 18, 2021, 08:04:31 PM
Hacksaw out Jesse Williams in
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Guatemala (18-Jul-2021)
Post by: Cocorite on July 18, 2021, 08:06:23 PM
Wey allyuh sein dis?
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Guatemala (18-Jul-2021)
Post by: Peong on July 18, 2021, 08:13:13 PM
This one not so good.
http://www.dailydeports.pw/ch-20.html

Try stream 2 on this
http://play.freestreams-live1.com/fs2-tv/
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Guatemala (18-Jul-2021)
Post by: asylumseeker on July 18, 2021, 08:14:25 PM
They may be playing 5 in the back. I am seeing 3 CBs on the starting XI.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Guatemala (18-Jul-2021)
Post by: Cocorite on July 18, 2021, 08:22:37 PM
This one not so good.
http://www.dailydeports.pw/ch-20.html

Try stream 2 on this
http://play.freestreams-live1.com/fs2-tv/

Thanks
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Guatemala (18-Jul-2021)
Post by: ZANDOLIE on July 18, 2021, 08:28:01 PM
Joseph scores 1-0 T&T
Excuse me Reon Moore
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Guatemala (18-Jul-2021)
Post by: lefty on July 18, 2021, 08:29:37 PM
goal
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Guatemala (18-Jul-2021)
Post by: Peong on July 18, 2021, 08:41:12 PM
Good finish, I didn't think Alvin J saw the pass but it was perfect.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Guatemala (18-Jul-2021)
Post by: chelsealife on July 18, 2021, 08:46:19 PM
Good finish, I didn't think Alvin J saw the pass but it was perfect.
he didn't. Miss kick
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Guatemala (18-Jul-2021)
Post by: asylumseeker on July 18, 2021, 08:46:25 PM
Mexico 1 - ES 0
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Guatemala (18-Jul-2021)
Post by: lefty on July 18, 2021, 08:51:27 PM
man cutting out passes and pressing, again doh understand why we didn't go brave against El sal we shot ourselves in the foot with dat approach
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Guatemala (18-Jul-2021)
Post by: dtool on July 18, 2021, 08:56:20 PM

A slow motion game!!!!
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Guatemala (18-Jul-2021)
Post by: pull stones on July 18, 2021, 08:58:21 PM
oh dear oh my, couldn't angus find midfielders to place in the midfield except two defenders noah powder and jesse williams? you could easily see that hashim arcia and andre fortune are out of their depts here in the midfield, these two guys are absolute laborers no skills no smarts and no tact just wild errant passes and clumsey challenges, these guys could never be better than gary griffith jr and poon angeron, no way. waste of a good pick.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Guatemala (18-Jul-2021)
Post by: kounty on July 18, 2021, 09:03:59 PM
not playing with the urgency of a team that need at least 4 goals to give themselves a chance.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Guatemala (18-Jul-2021)
Post by: kounty on July 18, 2021, 09:06:47 PM
Good finish, I didn't think Alvin J saw the pass but it was perfect.
he didn't. Miss kick
I didn't think so. Alvin take it upon himself to take on players from the back and make the run all the way. what you all think he was aiming for?
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Guatemala (18-Jul-2021)
Post by: lil damo on July 18, 2021, 09:08:07 PM
The Center midfield needs some work. Poon Angeron And Phillips from Waterford are two young players that need to get in this team as we build for the next campaign. We have some good young players on display here tho mixed with some good experience.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Guatemala (18-Jul-2021)
Post by: asylumseeker on July 18, 2021, 09:24:22 PM
Our target for this match was 5 goals, no? Then why not play with more goals in mind before an equalizer arrives?
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Guatemala (18-Jul-2021)
Post by: lefty on July 18, 2021, 09:27:28 PM
our unwillingness to try an' play through d lines is killing us, every time guat close ranks we resetting needlessly
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Guatemala (18-Jul-2021)
Post by: lefty on July 18, 2021, 09:31:23 PM
as I say dat guat jus run through we defense like it not there
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Guatemala (18-Jul-2021)
Post by: ZANDOLIE on July 18, 2021, 09:32:51 PM
Angus???
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Guatemala (18-Jul-2021)
Post by: pull stones on July 18, 2021, 09:36:20 PM
is angus shitting me or what, guatemala has a rookie goal keeper on the field yet his best goal scorers are on the bench gathering dust, not to mention he has these two laborers in the midfield fortune and arcia who continues to stall the attack, no angus you got a big D by me for your team selection, and it's the 60th minute and still no changes.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Guatemala (18-Jul-2021)
Post by: pull stones on July 18, 2021, 09:37:32 PM
if i've ever seen a team that needed drubbing and angus sits tight with the substitutions when goals are needed.......sigh..........
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Guatemala (18-Jul-2021)
Post by: asylumseeker on July 18, 2021, 09:37:59 PM
is angus shitting me or what, guatemala has a rookie goal keeper on the field yet his best goal scorers are on the bench gathering dust, not to mention he has these two laborers in the midfield fortune and arcia who continues to stall the attack, no angus you got a big D by me for your team selection, and it's the 60th minute and still no changes.

Methinks yuh right.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Guatemala (18-Jul-2021)
Post by: asylumseeker on July 18, 2021, 09:40:40 PM
if i've ever seen a team that needed drubbing and angus sits tight with the substitutions when goals are needed.......sigh..........

Yes. The Mexican commentators are curious about just that.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Guatemala (18-Jul-2021)
Post by: ZANDOLIE on July 18, 2021, 09:48:05 PM
Faaacccccccckkkk. 1-1
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Guatemala (18-Jul-2021)
Post by: ZANDOLIE on July 18, 2021, 09:49:00 PM
Eve made his changes too late. What the hell was he thinking?!?
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Guatemala (18-Jul-2021)
Post by: lefty on July 18, 2021, 09:50:02 PM
my word completely flat footed
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Guatemala (18-Jul-2021)
Post by: lefty on July 18, 2021, 09:52:10 PM
I really don't understand this kinda play when we needed to just go for it.......Eve have me perplexed with his decisions in these two games doh make no sense
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Guatemala (18-Jul-2021)
Post by: ZANDOLIE on July 18, 2021, 09:53:37 PM
Guatemala still pressing with intensity
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Guatemala (18-Jul-2021)
Post by: ZANDOLIE on July 18, 2021, 09:56:06 PM
I really don't understand this kinda play when we needed to just go for it.......Eve have me perplexed with his decisions in these two games doh make no sense

Risk Aversion at every level, great comfort with the status quo.

Guatemala took the risk of brining on very young players...Eve now trying to mimic by brining on Lee

Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Guatemala (18-Jul-2021)
Post by: Peong on July 18, 2021, 09:56:28 PM
We playing a lot of backward passes right now.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Guatemala (18-Jul-2021)
Post by: lefty on July 18, 2021, 09:58:02 PM
d constant needless back passes annoying
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Guatemala (18-Jul-2021)
Post by: Peong on July 18, 2021, 10:00:04 PM
Too bad that free kick didn't go in.
Well done Alvin Jones.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Guatemala (18-Jul-2021)
Post by: asylumseeker on July 18, 2021, 10:03:25 PM

d constant needless back passes annoying


We playing a lot of backward passes right now.

We've probably played about 7 to 8 minutes worth of negative passes out of the 90 minutes.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Guatemala (18-Jul-2021)
Post by: lefty on July 18, 2021, 10:05:44 PM
Eve remind a lot of Mou of recent vintage, too much needless caution sinking we 
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Guatemala (18-Jul-2021)
Post by: asylumseeker on July 18, 2021, 10:07:02 PM
Eve remind a lot of Mou too much needless caution sink we 

Lately allyuh gehhin real disrespectful with Jose. :P
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Guatemala (18-Jul-2021)
Post by: asylumseeker on July 18, 2021, 10:08:11 PM
Verdict?
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Guatemala (18-Jul-2021)
Post by: lefty on July 18, 2021, 10:12:34 PM
Eve remind a lot of Mou too much needless caution sink we 

Lately allyuh gehhin real disrespectful with Jose. :P

His second spell as Chelsea manager was infuriating for me, even during d title winning season, needless pragmatism, dat is why he cyah make at clubs with attack in dey DNA
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Guatemala (18-Jul-2021)
Post by: ZANDOLIE on July 18, 2021, 10:21:21 PM
Eve has to be more decisive and tactically ruthless especially when making substitutions. And why not select Poon-Angeron who played consistently well to plan in his debut games? Instead he have some young players who playing like out-of-place journeymen in this midfield. They couldn't exert control or move the play upfield. Trini coaches only seem to know who could run fast or kick hard in training.

I know eve needs time and is new to this level but even a blind man could see changes needed to be made as they just walked right thru our midfield.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Guatemala (18-Jul-2021)
Post by: lefty on July 18, 2021, 10:22:33 PM
Verdict?

yuh could tell dat he trying for solid defense, but we attack too one note, dumping to d target man or running d wingers in behind, no attempt to play through the middle, no decoy runs to draw defenders from d midfielders, no creativity from d mids either, and no courage, d amount ah time we turn back play was unnecessary
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Guatemala (18-Jul-2021)
Post by: ABTrini on July 18, 2021, 10:25:13 PM
 Its so easy to be critical than to be correct-  I putting this to rest as  expectations were close to what was expected given the turmoil , the preparation and the availability of players, I think the team availed itself well. I am encouraged by the  progression on the youthful and primarily local  flavor. We are short in some attacking players and  in  being assertive and stronger on the ball but with these youths those things will come.
All the best Warriors- I like how allyuh hold allyuh own. Is not like we got blown out. El Sav is the only team that give we little headache.
 Doh sweat we coming back stronger. Eve ah know you eh getting ' the kinda  dough that 'Pull stones ' partner getting but yuh hung in there and  kept the team morale up. Experience  at this level is  all good . You deserve some time to build on what you have going here.
 All the best to all Warriors and fans- I gone till next time.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Guatemala (18-Jul-2021)
Post by: asylumseeker on July 18, 2021, 10:29:58 PM
Its so easy to be critical than to be correct-  I putting this to rest as  expectations were close to what was expected given the turmoil , the preparation and the availability of players, I think the team availed itself well. I am encouraged by the  progression on the youthful and primarily local  flavor. We are short in some attacking players and  in  being assertive and stronger on the ball but with these youths those things will come.
All the best Warriors- I like how allyuh hold allyuh own. Is not like we got blown out. El Sav is the only team that give we little headache.
 Doh sweat we coming back stronger. Eve ah know you eh getting ' the kinda  dough that 'Pull stones ' partner getting but yuh hung in there and  kept the team morale up. Experience  at this level is  all good . You deserve some time to build on what you have going here.
 All the best to all Warriors and fans- I gone till next time.

There's a long stretch between now and August 31.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Guatemala (18-Jul-2021)
Post by: asylumseeker on July 18, 2021, 10:34:05 PM
We let 5 points evaporate during the tournament. 5 points would have won the group.
 
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Guatemala (18-Jul-2021)
Post by: ABTrini on July 18, 2021, 10:41:59 PM
We let 5 points evaporate during the tournament. 5 points would have won the group.

Young team young team- these are growing pains
I hope in a year or so  that narrative will change
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Guatemala (18-Jul-2021)
Post by: socalion on July 18, 2021, 10:47:37 PM
I just wish to say despite all the turmoil, the stoppages and and the lack of football being played or lack thereof,   I have to commend our team for performing creditably . Hopefully all the stakeholders get on board to  lend the necessary support that is so vitally needed in order to push ahead with our football development . Proud of the effort  given by team ! Now the homework begins ! 
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Guatemala (18-Jul-2021)
Post by: pull stones on July 18, 2021, 11:14:23 PM
OK, to all the fenwick haters let me see your gloves. i can't imagine terry doing any worst than this. you needed to win a game but started with 6 defenders and two laborer midfielders in attack, the only bright spot in this game was reon moore and marcus joseph. had telfer molino and mukette started instead of arcia, fortune and jessee williams we would have won this game handsomely.

in any case i concede to the will of the pontificators and the xenophobes who love to see local talent on display, but the only thing they keep forgetting is that local coaches are raving egomaniacs who are known for making terrible decisions and continue to follow through despite the many objection, thus falling on their own sword due to their stubborness.

i'm so glad that this little experiment is over, now we know for sure that angus can't cut it at this level, lets get back to the drawing board and get some football development going and try to fix this slow league in order to compete on a higher level. thank you angus but no thank you. 
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Guatemala (18-Jul-2021)
Post by: pull stones on July 18, 2021, 11:36:05 PM
Eve has to be more decisive and tactically ruthless especially when making substitutions. And why not select Poon-Angeron who played consistently well to plan in his debut games? Instead he have some young players who playing like out-of-place journeymen in this midfield. They couldn't exert control or move the play upfield. Trini coaches only seem to know who could run fast or kick hard in training.

I know eve needs time and is new to this level but even a blind man could see changes needed to be made as they just walked right thru our midfield.
bro, isn't it ironic that we suffered the same fate with latapy, burtile and dennis lawrence? bertile who ignored players like whitley and dwarika and it took a dutch man to give whitley a chance to show his talents. latapy ignored a bunch of players who was playing on a higher level like kendel jageosingh, julius james and scot sealey, yet it took a german to acknowledge molino and hnor him by saying that molino and jagdeosign had million dollar legs and could play in any league.

dennis ignored hackshaw, ryan telfer, noah powder, fenderup and greg ranjitsingh, yet oit took fenwick to bring frenderup to the forfront together with hackshaw, mate i'm telling you that these local coaches are terrible for our football, they seem to like what they like and ignore all the rest.

now tell me how is hashim arcia any better than poon angeron, in fact how is isiah lee , andre fortune and jesse williams better than poon? i just can't see it. and he had the chance to put poon back in the team when hyland and judah were injured but refused too and instead went and got two defenders to replace two midfielders.

in the end i'm thankful we loss, now i want the xenophobes like andre baptiste, ken butcher and clayton morris to call for angue eve's head like they called for terry's, i could bet the whole treasury that they won't, they'll stay quiet and hope that no one notices and hope that it's swept under the rug. stay tuned.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Guatemala (18-Jul-2021)
Post by: pull stones on July 18, 2021, 11:49:29 PM
Its so easy to be critical than to be correct-  I putting this to rest as  expectations were close to what was expected given the turmoil , the preparation and the availability of players, I think the team availed itself well. I am encouraged by the  progression on the youthful and primarily local  flavor. We are short in some attacking players and  in  being assertive and stronger on the ball but with these youths those things will come.
All the best Warriors- I like how allyuh hold allyuh own. Is not like we got blown out. El Sav is the only team that give we little headache.
 Doh sweat we coming back stronger. Eve ah know you eh getting ' the kinda  dough that 'Pull stones ' partner getting but yuh hung in there and  kept the team morale up. Experience  at this level is  all good . You deserve some time to build on what you have going here.
 All the best to all Warriors and fans- I gone till next time.
Rubbish, you are a shameless troll. angus played 5 games won a decisive game drew three and lost one, he was under the same set of circumstances as fenwick due to injury and inavailability, in fact he had molino, hodges, reon moore and frenderup who missed the last two games, yet of the 5 games, fenwick lost a friendly to the usa, won two games and drew two but was dismissed.

 terry had to deal with the same set of circumstances due to covid and all the other difficulties surrounding it, so no excuses, just be a man and accept that eve isn't ready for this level. and parking the bus against mexico is no great feat, it would have been better to lose to them and turn around and won the other two games. i call that a wasted effort. i say no to angus as well.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Guatemala (18-Jul-2021)
Post by: ABTrini on July 18, 2021, 11:52:02 PM
Its so easy to be critical than to be correct-  I putting this to rest as  expectations were close to what was expected given the turmoil , the preparation and the availability of players, I think the team availed itself well. I am encouraged by the  progression on the youthful and primarily local  flavor. We are short in some attacking players and  in  being assertive and stronger on the ball but with these youths those things will come.
All the best Warriors- I like how allyuh hold allyuh own. Is not like we got blown out. El Sav is the only team that give we little headache.
 Doh sweat we coming back stronger. Eve ah know you eh getting ' the kinda  dough that 'Pull stones ' partner getting but yuh hung in there and  kept the team morale up. Experience  at this level is  all good . You deserve some time to build on what you have going here.
 All the best to all Warriors and fans- I gone till next time.
Rubbish, you are a shameless troll. angus played 5 games won a decisive game drew three and lost one, he was under the same set of circumstances as fenwick due to injury and inavailability, in fact he had molino, hodges, reon moore and frenderup who missed the last two games, yet of the 5 games, fenwick lost a friendly to the usa, won two games and drew two but was dismissed.

 terry had to deal with the same set of circumstances due to covid and all the other difficulties surrounding it, so no excuses, just be a man and accept that eve isn't ready for this level. and parking the bus against mexico is no great feat, it would have been better to lose to them and turn around and won the other two games. i call that a wasted effort. i say no to angus as well.
Actually I go back to the old board and have been around for awhile
Why do t you just go hang out with your buddy and pull stones
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Guatemala (18-Jul-2021)
Post by: pull stones on July 19, 2021, 12:05:49 AM
We let 5 points evaporate during the tournament. 5 points would have won the group.

Young team young team- these are growing pains
I hope in a year or so  that narrative will change
young team?? surely you jest. hashim arcia 32, molino 31, mikel williams 30, aubrey david 30, ryan telfer 27, marcus joseph 30, marvin phillip 36, khaleem hyland 31, abu bakar 34, alvin jones 27,  jelani peters 27, duane muckette 26 and triston hodge 26, so what young team are you talking about? terry had an even younger team with the like of michel poon angeron, danial phillip, judah garcia, sean bonval and gary griffith the third. and you're a very disingenuous man, i'm sure there's a lot of xenophobia behind those sentiments of yours.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Guatemala (18-Jul-2021)
Post by: pull stones on July 19, 2021, 12:09:54 AM
Its so easy to be critical than to be correct-  I putting this to rest as  expectations were close to what was expected given the turmoil , the preparation and the availability of players, I think the team availed itself well. I am encouraged by the  progression on the youthful and primarily local  flavor. We are short in some attacking players and  in  being assertive and stronger on the ball but with these youths those things will come.
All the best Warriors- I like how allyuh hold allyuh own. Is not like we got blown out. El Sav is the only team that give we little headache.
 Doh sweat we coming back stronger. Eve ah know you eh getting ' the kinda  dough that 'Pull stones ' partner getting but yuh hung in there and  kept the team morale up. Experience  at this level is  all good . You deserve some time to build on what you have going here.
 All the best to all Warriors and fans- I gone till next time.
Rubbish, you are a shameless troll. angus played 5 games won a decisive game drew three and lost one, he was under the same set of circumstances as fenwick due to injury and inavailability, in fact he had molino, hodges, reon moore and frenderup who missed the last two games, yet of the 5 games, fenwick lost a friendly to the usa, won two games and drew two but was dismissed.

 terry had to deal with the same set of circumstances due to covid and all the other difficulties surrounding it, so no excuses, just be a man and accept that eve isn't ready for this level. and parking the bus against mexico is no great feat, it would have been better to lose to them and turn around and won the other two games. i call that a wasted effort. i say no to angus as well.
Actually I go back to the old board and have been around for awhile
Why do t you just go hang out with your buddy and pull stones
very limited response from an equally limited man, so i'm not surprised in the least, TBH i didn't expect anything better quite frankly, and you didn't disappoint either. bravo.

PS, don't bother to respond i'm logging off. night night lonely man.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Guatemala (18-Jul-2021)
Post by: Flex on July 19, 2021, 12:25:06 AM
Watch Extended Highlights: Guatemala 1-1 Trinidad Tobago - Gold Cup 2021 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSB4ZLExADc)

Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Guatemala (18-Jul-2021)
Post by: asylumseeker on July 19, 2021, 04:37:03 AM
Relevant stats

Corners (11 for Guatemala ... 7 for T&T)
Shots (16 vs 7)
SOG ( 3 vs 4)
Possession (52% vs 48%)
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Guatemala (18-Jul-2021)
Post by: Trini _2026 on July 19, 2021, 04:52:19 AM
We let 5 points evaporate during the tournament. 5 points would have won the group.

Young team young team- these are growing pains
I hope in a year or so  that narrative will change

this team is young ?  most of those guys are over 30
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Guatemala (18-Jul-2021)
Post by: Trini _2026 on July 19, 2021, 05:32:05 AM
Eve has to be more decisive and tactically ruthless especially when making substitutions. And why not select Poon-Angeron who played consistently well to plan in his debut games? Instead he have some young players who playing like out-of-place journeymen in this midfield. They couldn't exert control or move the play upfield. Trini coaches only seem to know who could run fast or kick hard in training.

I know eve needs time and is new to this level but even a blind man could see changes needed to be made as they just walked right thru our midfield.
bro, isn't it ironic that we suffered the same fate with latapy, burtile and dennis lawrence? bertile who ignored players like whitley and dwarika and it took a dutch man to give whitley a chance to show his talents. latapy ignored a bunch of players who was playing on a higher level like kendel jageosingh, julius james and scot sealey, yet it took a german to acknowledge molino and hnor him by saying that molino and jagdeosign had million dollar legs and could play in any league.

dennis ignored hackshaw, ryan telfer, noah powder, fenderup and greg ranjitsingh, yet oit took fenwick to bring frenderup to the forfront together with hackshaw, mate i'm telling you that these local coaches are terrible for our football, they seem to like what they like and ignore all the rest.

now tell me how is hashim arcia any better than poon angeron, in fact how is isiah lee , andre fortune and jesse williams better than poon? i just can't see it. and he had the chance to put poon back in the team when hyland and judah were injured but refused too and instead went and got two defenders to replace two midfielders.

in the end i'm thankful we loss, now i want the xenophobes like andre baptiste, ken butcher and clayton morris to call for angue eve's head like they called for terry's, i could bet the whole treasury that they won't, they'll stay quiet and hope that no one notices and hope that it's swept under the rug. stay tuned.

No poon but jesse williams is playing his position and  williams  is a defender .not a mid..
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Guatemala (18-Jul-2021)
Post by: Sando prince on July 19, 2021, 05:35:48 AM

this is not no young team allyuh talking the usual give me an excuse shit after another disappointed tournament exit
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Guatemala (18-Jul-2021)
Post by: Deeks on July 19, 2021, 05:43:54 AM
Get the U19 and U20. Local and foreign born who have the guts to deal with TT.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Guatemala (18-Jul-2021)
Post by: Trini _2026 on July 19, 2021, 05:45:59 AM
If you all notice one thing about angus he  always change about 6 to seven players every game ... even at olympic level... imagine lee  never even got a run
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Guatemala (18-Jul-2021)
Post by: injunchile on July 19, 2021, 07:33:18 AM
Having looked at Panama vs Honduras and the speed and movement . I looked at the first half and saw the backward passes and the slow pace except for the goal . Then no Molino , Muskeete, Ryan.
 It was just the thought that I would not be seeing my beloved team for a long time in a competitive tournament that had me tuned in. Eve Tried but not ready for this level. Financially it may make sense to keep  him but we are back to the same narrative - Hire a foreign coach near Competition time.
 The more things change the more they remain the same.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Guatemala (18-Jul-2021)
Post by: Deeks on July 19, 2021, 09:01:48 AM

d constant needless back passes annoying


We playing a lot of backward passes right now.

We've probably played about 7 to 8 minutes worth of negative passes out of the 90 minutes.

Honestly, that is the norm for most teams, clubs and national teams. But last night is was driving me f**king crazy.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Guatemala (18-Jul-2021)
Post by: asylumseeker on July 19, 2021, 09:17:14 AM
Having looked at Panama vs Honduras and the speed and movement . I looked at the first half and saw the backward passes and the slow pace except for the goal . Then no Molino , Muskeete, Ryan.
 It was just the thought that I would not be seeing my beloved team for a long time in a competitive tournament that had me tuned in. Eve Tried but not ready for this level. Financially it may make sense to keep  him but we are back to the same narrative - Hire a foreign coach near Competition time.
 The more things change the more they remain the same.

Ah! You've taken me to precisely something I had a look at. I posted some of the stats above. One stat not included was number of passes.

Knowing the passing stat for Guatemala vs T&T match (406 to 391), curiosity led me to comparing it to the match you cited and two other matches. Interestingly enough, in that match Panama had 54% possession and 323 passes while Honduras with 46% of possession made 276 passes in a 3-2 victory for Honduras. The possession stat in Guate vs T&T was 52% vs 48%.

What does that suggest comparatively about efficient use of the ball?

Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Guatemala (18-Jul-2021)
Post by: asylumseeker on July 19, 2021, 09:31:31 AM

d constant needless back passes annoying


We playing a lot of backward passes right now.

We've probably played about 7 to 8 minutes worth of negative passes out of the 90 minutes.

Honestly, that is the norm for most teams, clubs and national teams. But last night is was driving me f**king crazy.

It was driving you crazy because it was probably beyond the standard deviation. It seemed to have driven many/several observers crazy. Not sure that includes the coach.

I view a lot of football. You view a lot of football. When last you have been that put off by negative passes?

I view it as an issue that could have been resolved and should have been resolved relatively quickly, but I am also absorbing that it has grown roots genetically.

When used in European football it is accompanied by other actions designed to spark penetration. The players were not balanced in applying it as an unlocking instrument.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Guatemala (18-Jul-2021)
Post by: Peong on July 19, 2021, 10:35:28 AM
Eve say in the post-match conference that personal fitness played a big part. How much more could we have done with fit players? It was 5 games in about 2 weeks, that had to take a toll. I feel short-changed in that we can't accurately assess the team's ability if they not fit. Also if we had Hyland, Bateau and Levi we would have had a much stronger team. Even if we playing ultra-defensive, Levi is a reliable outlet for a counter-attack, and he woulda stretched their back lines.
Eve also said he rested Molino because he just came back from injury, fair enough, he has to consider Molino's career in a situation where we were highly unlikely to progress.
In this tournament I didn't think the formations used were good for Molino. He needs a fellow attacker near him in the attacking third to combine with. His clever passes and movement are what make him great. He not goin to dribble through 3 men but he will certainly take then out the equation with a pass or a run.
When is Copa Caribe?
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Guatemala (18-Jul-2021)
Post by: lefty on July 19, 2021, 10:52:03 AM

d constant needless back passes annoying


We playing a lot of backward passes right now.

We've probably played about 7 to 8 minutes worth of negative passes out of the 90 minutes.

Honestly, that is the norm for most teams, clubs and national teams. But last night is was driving me f**king crazy.

It was driving you crazy because it was probably beyond the standard deviation. It seemed to have driven many/several observers crazy. Not sure that includes the coach.

I view a lot of football. You view a lot of football. When last you have been that put off by negative passes?

I view it as an issue that could have been resolved and should have been resolved relatively quickly, but I am also absorbing that it has grown roots genetically.

When used in European football it is accompanied by other actions designed to spark penetration. The players were not balanced in applying it as an unlocking instrument.
Resetting play through yuh defenders is common tac to switch or recycle d ball if a avenue get block but these days defenders push up to be closer options,  while we defenders wasn't "staying home" they were mostly negative and never once would try and resist Guat press in a forwrd thinning way, except for Alvin.

Even if fitness was a concern, ah lack of courage  is what did us in here, we didñ't really play "bad", d coaching staff just decided to leave dey balls in Florida  or something 
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Guatemala (18-Jul-2021)
Post by: asylumseeker on July 19, 2021, 10:59:52 AM
Eve say in the post-match conference that personal fitness played a big part. How much more could we have done with fit players? It was 5 games in about 2 weeks, that had to take a toll. I feel short-changed in that we can't accurately assess the team's ability if they not fit. Also if we had Hyland, Bateau and Levi we would have had a much stronger team. Even if we playing ultra-defensive, Levi is a reliable outlet for a counter-attack, and he woulda stretched their back lines.
Eve also said he rested Molino because he just came back from injury, fair enough, he has to consider Molino's career in a situation where we were highly unlikely to progress.
In this tournament I didn't think the formations used were good for Molino. He needs a fellow attacker near him in the attacking third to combine with. His clever passes and movement are what make him great. He not goin to dribble through 3 men but he will certainly take then out the equation with a pass or a run.
When is Copa Caribe?

Yuh light de stove and yuh cooking with gas. 🔥
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Guatemala (18-Jul-2021)
Post by: lefty on July 19, 2021, 11:24:05 AM
Eve say in the post-match conference that personal fitness played a big part. How much more could we have done with fit players? It was 5 games in about 2 weeks, that had to take a toll. I feel short-changed in that we can't accurately assess the team's ability if they not fit. Also if we had Hyland, Bateau and Levi we would have had a much stronger team. Even if we playing ultra-defensive, Levi is a reliable outlet for a counter-attack, and he woulda stretched their back lines.
Eve also said he rested Molino because he just came back from injury, fair enough, he has to consider Molino's career in a situation where we were highly unlikely to progress.
In this tournament I didn't think the formations used were good for Molino. He needs a fellow attacker near him in the attacking third to combine with. His clever passes and movement are what make him great. He not goin to dribble through 3 men but he will certainly take then out the equation with a pass or a run.
When is Copa Caribe?

Yuh light de stove and yuh cooking with gas. 🔥

I woulda go more 343-ish stay compact in ah mid block and most launch d front 3 and wingbacks and leave d defensive 5 floating close for cover more like 3-2-5 in attack...we woulda have ah lil solidity and d ability to get numbers forward with good enough  protection in d backline  , neither  guat or el sal was engaging in any kinda high width to make ah straight back 5 any kinda necessary from what I could see
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Guatemala (18-Jul-2021)
Post by: kounty on July 19, 2021, 02:31:27 PM
https://www.youtube.com/v/hk0q0MEWxcc?start=202

Youtube lets you set the playback speed. Slow down to 0.25X under Settings (the gear wheel symbol below) and check out the screen that Powder eat for the Guatemala goal. All the defensive heads on the board - how you defend against this?
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Guatemala (18-Jul-2021)
Post by: soccerman on July 19, 2021, 02:58:41 PM
Youtube lets you set the playback speed. Slow down to 0.25X under Settings (the gear wheel symbol below) and check out the screen that Powder eat for the Guatemala goal. All the defensive heads on the board - how you defend against this?
You have to anticipate that they can set a screen, players do this reguarly on corners and set pieces. I'm sure this is not the first time Powder or our players has experienced this at his level. I give Guatemala credit because they executed it well but when defending you and your teammates have to be on the same page/communicate that if one player gets screened and is obstructed, the other teammate go with the player and the one who was screened take the player he was marking. If not the open player who came off the screen will always be open to attack those balls.
Another way to defend it is through zonal marking where the players are responsible for certain spaces, since they're not man marking it's harder to set a screen....but that could cause problems if the lacks chemistry as it could lead to uncertainty and players assuming the other teammate would've cleared that ball.
But yea, I noticed that's what happened to Powder on the goal last night but by the time he recovered it was too late.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Guatemala (18-Jul-2021)
Post by: asylumseeker on July 19, 2021, 05:22:01 PM
I don't want to be the bearer of bad news, but the goal scored by the goalscorer is one of his trademarks.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Guatemala (18-Jul-2021)
Post by: Sando prince on July 19, 2021, 08:05:51 PM

Read the comments here. Where is T&T football today?

https://www.facebook.com/TeamTrinbago/posts/539292024083645
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Guatemala (18-Jul-2021)
Post by: asylumseeker on July 20, 2021, 09:59:19 AM
Youtube lets you set the playback speed. Slow down to 0.25X under Settings (the gear wheel symbol below) and check out the screen that Powder eat for the Guatemala goal. All the defensive heads on the board - how you defend against this?
You have to anticipate that they can set a screen, players do this reguarly on corners and set pieces. I'm sure this is not the first time Powder or our players has experienced this at his level. I give Guatemala credit because they executed it well but when defending you and your teammates have to be on the same page/communicate that if one player gets screened and is obstructed, the other teammate go with the player and the one who was screened take the player he was marking. If not the open player who came off the screen will always be open to attack those balls.
Another way to defend it is through zonal marking where the players are responsible for certain spaces, since they're not man marking it's harder to set a screen....but that could cause problems if the lacks chemistry as it could lead to uncertainty and players assuming the other teammate would've cleared that ball.
But yea, I noticed that's what happened to Powder on the goal last night but by the time he recovered it was too late.

Although that moment in time is the obvious critical moment, there are other questions that can be asked about the entire defensive organization. We have 11 players defending that corner. They have 9 players placed to support or attack the corner. The outcome of the corner shouldn't have turned exclusively on what was in part a 3 v 3 matchup that went belly-up, but these things happen. Doesn't just come down to Powder.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Guatemala (18-Jul-2021)
Post by: asylumseeker on July 20, 2021, 10:07:08 AM
https://www.youtube.com/v/hk0q0MEWxcc?start=202

Youtube lets you set the playback speed. Slow down to 0.25X under Settings (the gear wheel symbol below) and check out the screen that Powder eat for the Guatemala goal. All the defensive heads on the board - how you defend against this?

A 4th player would have helped block/impede Gordillo's path to the ball.

Other observation: if we had a player in an anticipatory countering role (1 v 1+GK), they would have had to adjust the position of their players at the edge of the penalty area. That frees up an additional defender for us closer to the targeted drop zone and would have aided defending their CB's header.

Strikes me that we are set up to win the ball/goal kick, rather than to concretely defend the corner. We are certainly not positioned to propose a counter.

Big difference in outcome between defending between (a) man and goal and defending between (b) ball and man.

Other interesting nuance is that they have a player on the line in addition to the kicker of the corner. Really well-thought out and crafted corner kick. Damn good equalizer, although we could probably have done a better job of managing the spaces and situation.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Guatemala (18-Jul-2021)
Post by: Tallman on July 21, 2021, 11:48:06 AM
Morris: Performance shows players believe in themselves
By Walter Alibey (T&T Guardian)


Despite a 1-1 tie with Guatemala in Group A of the CONCACAF Gold Cup that confirmed the Soca Warriors' exit from the tournament, the performance of the national men's football team said something different.

The tie means the Warriors finished the group stage with two points, which came courtesy of drawn results with Mexico 0-0 in its opening match, and against the Guatemalans in their last match on Sunday at the Toyota Stadium in Frisco, Texas, USA.

But for those who saw the match with analytical eyes, it was a pleasant sight. Clayton Morris, a former captain and defender for the now-famous "Strike Squad" team which came within a point of qualifying for the 1990 World Cup in Italy, said the team's performance against Guatemala showed that the players believed in themselves.

Morris, who is also the president of the T&T Super League (TTSL), in a release on Monday said: "T&T 1-1 draw vs Guatemala indicates clearly that this group has belief in themselves and their intention to achieve greatness.

"As mentioned previously, the commitment and willingness of the players individually to combine the three aspects of defence, creativity in midfield and attempts on goal, were executed much more and with purpose. Preparation or lack of preparation (what you put in that's what will come out), the intention to complete each task in each department/position during the game, came in bits and pieces, lacked energy and enthusiasm, and they were very sloppy at times. However, much more is expected at this level in order to get better results."

It was a pleasant show from a mixture of local and overseas players, compared to what was produced when the team was booted out of the World Cup Qualifiers, following wins against Guyana (3-0) and St Kitts and Nevis (2-0) and drawn results against Puerto Rico (1-1) and Bahamas (0-0).

National coach Angus Eve's sought to kill two birds with one stone, by attempting to play his strongest team while enabling all his charges to get playing time for the tournament. In the end, however, it was only a defensive blunder from a corner that deprived his team of maximum points.

Morris said: "To achieve success there is a process that must be followed and demonstrated regularly, which brings confidence. Confidence comes naturally with success but success comes only to those with confidence. The mentality to get the required physical fitness, technical and tactical attributes must be a priority and be consistent going forward.

"The fightback must continue to yet again raise T&T football. Most importantly, to develop a growth mindset in the young and upcoming players (boys and girls) for future Gold Cups and World Cups."

Morris said he is confident that together "we can make it happen".
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Guatemala (18-Jul-2021)
Post by: pull stones on July 22, 2021, 05:31:29 AM
A crappy 1-1 draw vs guatemala when you drew 0-0 with mexico is something to be proud and satisfied with, really Clayton that’s the best you could come up with? Is pride and belief in themselves you said mister, are you for real? these three performances was the worst I’ve seen in national colors. in the first game mexico dominated from start to finish with some 30 shots on goal, vs El Salvador they played a six man defensive line up and still conceded twice, and came back against a second string guatemala with a defensive line up again, this time unable to put the game away after going ahead, come on Clayton who are you kidding.

a month ago you and the whole football fraternity was out with your placards calling for fenwick’s head, now today you’re giving out passes and making excuses calling shitty performances belief sessions, you guys are the reason why trinidad is such a criminal shit hole. you exonerate mediocrity when it’s one of your own but fly off the handle with a foreigner.

you people stood by and destroyed one of the most progressive little nations in the west with your unpatriotic thieving ways and your bullshit double standards. you lowered the standard of the nation to facilitate your friends and relatives, be it job opportunity, education or even accreditation. you people are the worst, you keep lowering the bar each and evey time brining this nation down with your ineptitude and double standards. where’s the fire angus eve thread?
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Guatemala (18-Jul-2021)
Post by: soccerman on July 22, 2021, 12:32:19 PM
Youtube lets you set the playback speed. Slow down to 0.25X under Settings (the gear wheel symbol below) and check out the screen that Powder eat for the Guatemala goal. All the defensive heads on the board - how you defend against this?
You have to anticipate that they can set a screen, players do this reguarly on corners and set pieces. I'm sure this is not the first time Powder or our players has experienced this at his level. I give Guatemala credit because they executed it well but when defending you and your teammates have to be on the same page/communicate that if one player gets screened and is obstructed, the other teammate go with the player and the one who was screened take the player he was marking. If not the open player who came off the screen will always be open to attack those balls.
Another way to defend it is through zonal marking where the players are responsible for certain spaces, since they're not man marking it's harder to set a screen....but that could cause problems if the lacks chemistry as it could lead to uncertainty and players assuming the other teammate would've cleared that ball.
But yea, I noticed that's what happened to Powder on the goal last night but by the time he recovered it was too late.

Although that moment in time is the obvious critical moment, there are other questions that can be asked about the entire defensive organization. We have 11 players defending that corner. They have 9 players placed to support or attack the corner. The outcome of the corner shouldn't have turned exclusively on what was in part a 3 v 3 matchup that went belly-up, but these things happen. Doesn't just come down to Powder.
Totally agree with your assessment here and the way in which you broke it down further. Lack of fitness leads to lack of concentration and we were clearly gassed in the second half, could've been a factor in this situation. Similarly in El Salvador's second goal, we had two players ball watching in the midst of a scramble to get the ball over the line, first thing I thought was fitness. Hopefully these details and issues can be corrected going forward.