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Title: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: Flex on July 07, 2021, 03:19:05 PM
As usual, any updates/scores, shout-outs, reports, predictions, views, etc, on the T&T vs Mexico (https://www.espn.com/soccer/match/_/gameId/602720) Concacaf Gold Cup Group A game at the AT&T Stadium in Texas from 10pm on the 10th of July 2021 will be posted here, this way, we can maintain the message board and not make it look too scrappy with un-necessary or related headlines and postings on game day.

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Trinidad & Tobago Squad

Goalkeepers:

Adrian Foncette (Police FC), Nicklas Frenderup (Ranheim Il—Denmark), Marvin Phillip (Unattached);

Defenders:

Radanfah Abu Bakr (Unattached), Aubrey David (Deportivo Saprissa—Costa Rica), Justin Garcia (Defence Force), Curtis Gonzales (Defence Force), Jelani Peters (Pittsburgh Riverhounds—USA), Triston Hodge (Colorado Springs Switchbacks FC—USA), Alvin Jones (Unattached), Ross Russell Jr (Terminix La Horquetta Rangers), Jesse Williams (Unattached), Mekeil Williams (Pittsburgh Riverhounds—USA), Noah Powder (Real Salt Lake—USA);

Midfielders:

Hashim Arcia (Defence Force), Andre Fortune II (Memphis 901 FC—USA), Duane Muckette (Unattached), Molik Khan (Club Sando), Kevin Molino (Columbus Crew—USA), Neveal Hackshaw (Indy Eleven—USA), Khaleem Hyland (Al Batin—Saudi Arabia), Judah Garcia (Unattached);

Forwards:

Marcus Joseph (Unattached), Isaiah Lee (Terminix La Horquetta Rangers), Reon Moore (Defence Force), Ryan Telfer (Atletico Ottawa—Canada).

Coach - Angus Eve (TRI).

Mexico Squad

Goalkeepers:

Alfredo Talavera (Pumas), Rodolfo Cota (Leon), Jonathan Orozco (Tijuana)

Defenders:

Nestor Araujo (Celta de Vigo), Hector Moreno (Monterrey), Luis Rodriguez (Tigres), Jesus Gallardo (Monterrey), Kevin Alvarez (Pachuca), Carlos Salcedo (Tigres), Osvaldo Rodriguez (Leon), Gilberto Sepulveda (Chivas)

Midfielders:

Hector Herrera (Atletico Madrid), Edson Alvarez (Ajax), Erick Gutierrez (PSV Eindhoven), Jonathan Dos Santos (LA Galaxy), Orbelin Pineda (Cruz Azul), Erick Sanchez (Pachuca), Efrain Alvarez (LA Galaxy), Alan Cervantes (Santos),

Forwards:

Hirving Lozano (Napoli), Jesus Corona (Porto), Rogelio Funes Mori (Monterrey), Alan Pulido (Sporting Kansas City)

Coach - Gerardo Martino (ARG).

Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: Flex on July 07, 2021, 03:56:33 PM
Anybody knows if T&T is allowed to call up any new players for these upcomnig GC games?

Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: Flex on July 07, 2021, 04:01:00 PM
Mexico Team

Goalkeepers:

Alfredo Talavera (Pumas), Rodolfo Cota (Leon), Jonathan Orozco (Tijuana)

Defenders:

Nestor Araujo (Celta de Vigo), Hector Moreno (Monterrey), Luis Rodriguez (Tigres), Jesus Gallardo (Monterrey), Kevin Alvarez (Pachuca), Carlos Salcedo (Tigres), Osvaldo Rodriguez (Leon), Gilberto Sepulveda (Chivas)

Midfielders:

Hector Herrera (Atletico Madrid), Edson Alvarez (Ajax), Erick Gutierrez (PSV Eindhoven), Jonathan Dos Santos (LA Galaxy), Orbelin Pineda (Cruz Azul), Erick Sanchez (Pachuca), Efrain Alvarez (LA Galaxy), Alan Cervantes (Santos),

Forwards:

Hirving Lozano (Napoli), Jesus Corona (Porto), Rogelio Funes Mori (Monterrey), Alan Pulido (Sporting Kansas City)

Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: kounty on July 07, 2021, 06:36:54 PM
Anybody knows if T&T is allowed to call up any new players for these upcomnig GC games?



even if so, seems like Eve delusional about the strength of this current squad. Would like to hear his comments on if he even want to, or tried.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: 100% Barataria on July 07, 2021, 06:40:42 PM
Anybody knows if T&T is allowed to call up any new players for these upcomnig GC games?


....
Was wondering the same thing....would be good if Levi and Bateau can be in the mix (if avail)
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: Tallman on July 07, 2021, 07:01:29 PM
Anybody knows if T&T is allowed to call up any new players for these upcomnig GC games?

Concacaf says "The final 23-player rosters for all participating teams will be confirmed prior to the start of the Preliminary Round (Prelims). After the deadline for submission, changes will only be allowed in the event of force majeure or injury up until 24 hours before each team’s group stage first match. All changes must be approved by Concacaf."
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: 100% Barataria on July 07, 2021, 07:37:56 PM
Thanks TM, no brainer, no way Hodge and Hyland lasting 3 games in a week...
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: Peong on July 07, 2021, 07:43:32 PM
The way Hyland pull up and had ice on his hamstring, I don't expect to see him out there.
I hope LG and Bateau are being called up. How can we not call them?
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: royal on July 07, 2021, 08:43:04 PM
1. we need a left back bad bad bad, they depended too heavily on Joevin Jones being there from what I heard. Those they use in the prelims not good enough. Mexico would have notice that also. 
2. we need an identical replacement for Hyland if he cannot play. His influence in the middle for the team is undeniable       
3. I'm very concern about the teams match fitness. I dunno what our trainers doing but dem men ain't fit. French Guiana who has not played an international game since 2019 players were fitter than ours.   
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: royal on July 07, 2021, 08:47:42 PM
The way Hyland pull up and had ice on his hamstring, I don't expect to see him out there.
I hope LG and Bateau are being called up. How can we not call them?

I wouldn't risk Hyland with the Mexico game. I'll try for the other two group games.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: pull stones on July 07, 2021, 11:20:25 PM
1. we need a left back bad bad bad, they depended too heavily on Joevin Jones being there from what I heard. Those they use in the prelims not good enough. Mexico would have notice that also. 
2. we need an identical replacement for Hyland if he cannot play. His influence in the middle for the team is undeniable       
3. I'm very concern about the teams match fitness. I dunno what our trainers doing but dem men ain't fit. French Guiana who has not played an international game since 2019 players were fitter than ours.
FYI most of this French team just came off their season in europe less than a month ago while most of our players did not play one competitive match since 2019, so of course the FG players would be fitter than the lads, that goes without saying.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: Deeks on July 08, 2021, 12:01:30 AM
1. we need a left back bad bad bad, they depended too heavily on Joevin Jones being there from what I heard. Those they use in the prelims not good enough. Mexico would have notice that also. 
2. we need an identical replacement for Hyland if he cannot play. His influence in the middle for the team is undeniable       
3. I'm very concern about the teams match fitness. I dunno what our trainers doing but dem men ain't fit. French Guiana who has not played an international game since 2019 players were fitter than ours.
FYI most of this French team just came off their season in europe less than a month ago while most of our players did not play one competitive match since 2019, so of course the FG players would be fitter than the lads, that goes without saying.

You are correct on that. That is why I am always saying we cannot underestimate, FG, Martinique or Guadaloupe. What makes it difficult is we don't see them for WC. We do see them for  GC and Caribbean cup when that competition is running. Our guys are not match fit.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: Peong on July 08, 2021, 04:01:46 PM
How come Lainez not in Mexico squad? Ok he in the Olympic squad.
Good ting for us, he look a terror to mark. 
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: asylumseeker on July 08, 2021, 04:56:46 PM
How come Lainez not in Mexico squad? Ok he in the Olympic squad.
Good ting for us, he look a terror to mark.

Was discussing this yesterday.  Mexico is out to win the Gold Cup AND to bring home the gold medal. Yuh would think Lainez would make the squad, but it was not to be.

He is two handfuls and he will have many days ahead of bringing the pain to regional football.

Betis is hoping to make some coin from putting him on the market before the new season, otherwise they would not have indulged the Olympics.

The GC team has one Cruz Azul player (Pineda). In TT ppl would be bawling so and so won the title, how come only one. Look at the Olympic team and a few more appear. Also only one Santos Laguna player. Generally, you get an insight into the league and NT strength when you see who is in and the limited # by club.
Title: Eve still undecided over Soca Warriors replacements
Post by: Tallman on July 08, 2021, 09:35:04 PM
Eve still undecided over Soca Warriors replacements
By Nigel Simon (T&T Guardian)


Interim Soca Warriors coach Angus Eve is expected to wait until the final hour permitted before deciding on whether to name replacements for the trio of Khaleem Hyland, Triston Hodge and Judah Garcia.

This, as Eve and his squad prepares to face defending Concacaf Gold Cup champions Mexico in their Pool A of the 2021 Gold Cup on Saturday night from 10 pm, three hours after El Salvador and Curacao, the two other teams in the pool meet in the tournament opener.

The Soca Warriors booked their spot in the tournament’s group stage after a nervy 8-7 penalty shoot-out victory over French Guiana at the DRV PNK Stadium, Florida on Tuesday after a 1-1 draw at the end of the 90 minutes regulation time.

Goalkeeper Nicklas Frenderup was the hero for the Soca Warriors saving the penalty attempt of Kevin Rimane spot-kick before Defence Force veteran and former T&T Under-17 and U-20 World Cup player Curtis Gonzales slotted home the winning penalty for his team.

But the win for the 49-year-old Eve, who has been at the helm of the team for only three weeks after the sacking of Englishman Terry Fenwick following the team’s failed World Cup qualifying campaign, may have come at a cost as the trio of captain Hyland, Garcia and Hodge all picked up muscular injuries in the match and had to be replaced and are now in a race against time to recover for the group stage.

Eve and his medical staff have been doing crucial assessments of the players since Tuesday and will Friday confirm whether he will have to bring in any players as replacements.

The former national midfielder, turned coach, travelled to the tournament with a 26-man squad instead of the required 23-man roster, saying the three additional players were to be used in situations where injuries or illness may take place.

But that was trimmed to 25 when Inter Miami FC winger Joevin Jones sustained a season-ending injury during a US Major League Soccer match and was forced to withdraw from the Gold Cup.

Two players who are available to Eve at his quick disposal are defender midfielders Michel Poon-Angeron and Molik Khan who travelled as part of the 26 but have not featured in either the 6-1 preliminary round opening win over Montseratt on Saturday last or the victory over French Guiana while defenders Leland Archer and Mekeil Williams, who are both based in the US with United Soccer League clubs could also come in for selection, and Canada-based pair, Akeem Garcia and Andre Rampersad as well as England-born striker Daniel Phillips of Watford.

Another concern for Eve heading into his opening match against the Mexicans who trashed Nigeria 4-0 in their last warm-up international friendly on Saturday is the number of players already on yellow cards.

It must be noted that the mandatory rule that drops yellow cards picked up by players when they are moving from one stage of a tournament to another, is not being used by CONCACAF organisers.

This means players who picked up yellow cards for T&T in the qualifying rounds, will move into the group phase with it.

The players crossing over with the cards are Neveal Hackshaw and Hyland from the Montserrat affair, and Gonzales and defender Aubrey David from the French Guiana match.

With regards to the cards Eve said after the French Guiana win, "It's a bit unfair because it's a different phase, it's the qualifying phase going into the group stage, and at most tournaments in the world, the cards don't carry over like that, from qualifying to the group stage."

The T&T team arrived in Dallas via a Concacaf charter on Wednesday afternoon and trained at 8 pm TT Time (7 pm local) at the Toyota Stadium in Frisco on Thursday.

On Friday, the official walk-through will take place at 7pm at the AT&T Stadium, venue for Saturday’s Gold Cup group match versus Mexico.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: 100% Barataria on July 09, 2021, 04:36:25 AM
I want to believe replacements en route to Dallas already and Eve is just keeping this close to his vest...no brainer that these injured guys cannot play 3 games in a week.  No mention of Levi or Bateau above but clearly we will need our best available player pool
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: Tallman on July 09, 2021, 01:04:57 PM
Noah Powder called in for Concacaf Gold Cup
rsl.com


Real Salt Lake defender Noah Powder has been named to Trinidad & Tobago’s squad as an injury replacement for the upcoming Concacaf Gold Cup. Trinidad & Tobago open its Gold Cup tournament on Saturday, July 10 when it faces Mexico at 8:00 p.m. MT at AT&T Stadium in Dallas, Texas.

Trinidad & Tobago will feature in Group A for the Concacaf Gold Cup alongside Curacao, El Salvador and Mexico.

“This honor is a testament to the hard work Noah has put in over the years. We are proud to see his quality recognized and excited to watch him represent his country in this region’s premier international competition.” RSL General Manager Elliot Fall said.

Powder, 22, made his Major League Soccer debut on May 15 when he entered a match against Nashville SC to play the final seven minutes of the contest. In 2019 played 30 regular season matches for Real Monarchs, scoring two goals in 2,629 minutes. In the playoffs, he notched two assists and scored in the USL Championship Final to secure the club’s first title. To date, Powder has nine goals and seven assists in 90 USL matches, logging 7,050 minutes, including one goal and four assists in 10 appearances in 2020.

Powder signed for RSL in September 2020 ahead of the 2021 season.

Internationally, Powder has played 13 matches across the Trinidad & Tobago U-17 and U-20 sides, notching two goals for each age group. He made his senior national team debut on January 31 against the United States in Orlando, Florida.

Powder joined the Monarchs prior to the 2019 season as a young veteran in the USL Championship. Success has followed since his professional career began in 2016. The New Jersey native played two seasons with New York Red Bulls II in 2016 and 2017 and helped NYRBII to a USL title as a rookie. He then joined Orange County SC in the USL Championship where he helped OCSC to the Western Conference Final in 2018.

Real Salt Lake returns to the field on Saturday, July 17 when it faces LAFC at Banc of California Stadium in Los Angeles, California. Fans can watch the match live locally on KMYU or the KSL TV app beginning at 7:30 p.m. MT.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: Tallman on July 09, 2021, 02:01:27 PM
Muckette says Trinidad and Tobago is up for the Gold Cup challenge.

https://www.youtube.com/v/iv6KZTEs9qQ

Defender Jelani Peters is red and ready for the Gold Cup.

https://www.youtube.com/v/Rps8YyFVNjQ

Interim Head Coach Angus Eve prepares for the start of the 2021 Concacaf Gold Cup

https://www.youtube.com/v/fIJZAycWAvg
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: Sam on July 09, 2021, 03:05:51 PM
T&T needs a bulldog player to beat or tie Mexico..

Mexico is superia but cannot play under physicality.

Jelani Peters is shit and Neveal Hackshaw and Curtis Gonzales is overweight and too slow.

Justin Garcia is a better leftback than Ross Russell Jr.

Jesse Williams needs to start and push Alvin Jones up the wing.

Reon Moore over Marcis Joseph.

Hashim Arcia over Andre Fortune.

T&T good for 8.

Not being negative, its reality.

Corona, Herrera, Salcedo and Moreno go kill them.

Angus Eve is a f00cking joke, only one replacement Noah, he dreaming from his playing days where he had many good players around him, not like now.

Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: Peong on July 09, 2021, 03:26:17 PM
So Eve is saying that the yellows carry over from prelims to group stage. I wish someone would clarify.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: pull stones on July 09, 2021, 04:36:41 PM
Does anyone know if they send poon angeron home or is he still with the team? I believe he would be the perfect replacement for either hyland or garcia.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: Tallman on July 09, 2021, 07:16:11 PM
Does anyone know if they send poon angeron home or is he still with the team? I believe he would be the perfect replacement for either hyland or garcia.

The two replacements are Noah Powder and Mekeil Williams.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: Tallman on July 09, 2021, 07:17:03 PM
Pre-match press conference

https://www.youtube.com/v/EuwqYXj3SSQ
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: gawd on pitch on July 09, 2021, 07:40:57 PM
Like what Sam saying we need a bulldog in the middle to run down dem Mexican. I say take a chance. Put a good MLS defender like Noah Powder to just run at them. This go work.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: chelsealife on July 10, 2021, 07:33:45 AM
Pre-match press conference

https://www.youtube.com/v/EuwqYXj3SSQ
Why do our players "develop" the accent of the countries they go to play in. Its ridiculous Neveal is speaking like a Yankee yet the Canadian born n bred Telfer speaking like a Trini
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: Flex on July 10, 2021, 07:57:26 AM
Noah Powder, Mekeil Williams called up as Hyland, Garcia out of Gold Cup for T&T.
By Jonathan Ramnanansingh (T&T Newsday).


NATIONAL defenders Noah Powder and Mekeil Williams have been cleared by Concacaf to join the men’s senior team in Texas as immediate replacements for skipper Khaleem Hyland and attacking midfielder Judah Garcia, who have been indefinitely ruled out of T&T’s Gold Cup campaign owing to injury.

Williams and Powder, who both reside in the US, were called to national duty on Friday after Hyland and Garcia were confirmed to take no further part in the tournament. The pair was subbed off with leg muscle injuries during T&T’s final Gold Cup qualifier match against French Guiana on Tuesday.

Hyland’s absence for the rest of the tournament sees striker Kevin Molino step up to captain the squad for the remainder of the competition.

T&T begin their Gold Cup group stage campaign on Saturday against defending champions Mexico at the AT&T Stadium, Arlington, from 10.30pm. Also in Group A are El Salvador and Curacao.

“We got the notification that Judah Garcia and Khaleem Hyland would not be available to us anymore and we now have Noah Powder and Mikheil Williams will be replacing them as of today,” said head coach Angus Eve at the pre-match press conference.

On Friday, Eve and his staff worked alongside Concacaf’s medical department to ensure the players were cleared to arrive in Texas before Saturday’s opening match. He said both Powder and Williams have already been vaccinated for covid19 and also conducted their mandatory PCR tests on Friday.

These steps, Eve said, guarantees the players would be able to arrive in time and immediately join the team for the Mexico clash. Against the Concacaf behemoths, Eve is well aware of their many strengths but believes the Soca Warriors can dig deep to eke out a positive result.

“We want to go and express ourselves as much as possible and see if we can get among them and hopefully cause some sort of upset; that’s the only thing that we can do.

“The guys really fought in the qualifiers. We have the same mentality and spirit going into this game. We have to be more creative in the way that we play. We believe our main battle is against El Salvador and Curacao, whatever we do against Mexico will be a bonus,” Eve added. Eve was appointed national coach in June after then-coach Terry Fenwick was sacked for the squad’s first-round exit from the 2022 FIFA World Cup campaign.

Prior to the World Cup qualifiers, T&T played two additional matches – Eve’s first at the helm – against Montserrat and French Guiana leading up to the Gold Cup qualification. Although successful, Eve believes their opponents are now equipped with ample video footage of their recent matches to study their style of play.

He added, “We would have to tweak some stuff. These (opposing) teams are well-rested. We will have to tweak things tactically. They would have seen us play a couple of matches. They would have been scouting what we’ve been doing.

Eve continued, “We brought a surplus of defensive players because we may have to tweak the formation. We picked players who could play multiple positions. We had two major injuries in the last game which caused the rhythm of the game to be upset. “Bringing the yellow cards over is a bit unfair. Technically we are the weaker teams who are coming forward. We’re not crying about that.”

He said the senior team was in a “rebuilding stage” and aiming at re-establishing itself as formidable opponents in the region.

The former national player was pleased to be back in the Gold Cup competition and believes the Mexico test will serve as a good measurement to see where the team is currently at competing against a top-ranked team.

According to the FIFA Rankings, Mexico is presently ranked an impressive 11th in the world while T&T is 103rd. At the Concacaf level, Mexico are atop the standings with the USA trailing closely behind while T&T are 11th. Amid the statistics, Eve said they must go into the game with a positive mindset.

He added, “We have the mindset of a lion. If we have that lion mentality that we displayed in our games so far; our spirit, team camaraderie, that willingness to fight for each other is what we’re going to need for this stage.”

RELATED NEWS

Soca Warriors face champs Mexico in Gold Cup opener.
T&T Guardian Reports.


Interim Soca Warriors coach, former national Angus Eve will be hoping to continue his unbeaten run at the helm of the team when T&T come up against reigning champion Mexico in their Concacaf Gold Cup Group A opener on Saturday night from 10 pm.

However, Eve and his squad who defeated Montserrat 6-1 and then French Guiana 8-7 on sudden-death penalty kicks after a 1-1 draw to reach the group stages will start as underdogs at AT&T Stadium in Arlington, Texas.

Tonight’s match-up will be the fifth Gold Cup meeting between the two sides and if it is anything like their previous Gold Cup encounter, fans can expect plenty of goal-scoring fireworks.

This will also be T&T’s 11th appearance in the Gold Cup group stage and with the momentum, they have picked up from the Prelims, the Soca Warriors will fancy their chances of advancing from the group which also features El Salvador who they meet on July 14, and Curacao, four days later.

Six years ago in the 2015 group stage, the two sides played to a thrilling 4-4 draw and there is enough attacking power on both sides to see a possible repeat.

The current members of the T&T team, who featured in that enthralling contest, were captain Khaleem Hyland, goalkeeper Marvin Phillip and defender Aubrey David while Radanfah Abu Bakr and Adrian Foncette were unused substitutes for former coach Stephen Hart back then.

However, less than 24 hours before kick-off, Eve and his technical staff were still sweating on the fitness of Hyland, Judah Garcia and Triston Hodge, who all picked up muscle injuries in the win over French Guiana on Tuesday at the DRV PNK Stadium in Florida. Late yesterday, it was learned that Hyland and Garcia are the two players that Eve and the TTFA are hoping to have replacements for at the Gold Cup.

The Carenage-born Eve speaking just over 24 hours before he leads the senior national team into battle against Mexico noted his team will be deprived of two key players who picked up injuries in the previous match against French Guiana and they will play no further part in the tournament.

He said, "We suffered two major injuries last game and we have been using going through the procedures with Concacaf to replace these two players because they won't get better to play any of the games to be honest.

But, overall the mood in the camp according to Eve is a very good one with the players having the mindseta of being like lions.

Eve explained, "The lion is not the biggest animal in the jungle but he is the king of the jungle and if we have the lion mentality that we have displayed so far then that ia what is going to be needed in this phase."

Not one to complaint, Eve stated that the format of tournament and having to play the three group matches in almost ten days right on the heels of the two preliminary matches is a difficult task, one he and his staff knew they were getting into when they took the job.

A confident Eve added, "So we have our noses down and pointed in the right direction."

With regards to his team's approach to the Mexico clash Eve said he and his technical staff will definitely have to tweak things tactically a bit.

"These teams in our group would have seen us play a couple matches and they would have been scouting what we would have been doing. So it's going to be even harder now.But we have the same mentality and same spirit as we had before going into these games."

With his focus on securing second spot in the four team group to reach the quarterfinals, Eve said: "We may have to be a little bit more creative in the way that we play against some of the teams because we believe our main battle is against El Salvador and Curacao and whatever we can do against Mexico will be a bonus."

Eve though noted that those teams may also have a slight edge as those teams weren't playing and are well rested as well as not having the worry of taking yellow card cautions into their match like his team has from the preliminary round.

Eve’s start to life as coach of the senior team for which he has been only contracted to August has been nothing short of a breath of fresh air for the players and supporters alike as things have drastically turned around.

In his two matches as coach, Eve, a winger in his playing days which numbered a record 117 caps for the T&T team has the Soca Warriors displaying a cutting edge in attack, evidenced by the seven goals they scored in their two Prelims matches.

T&T have also gotten contributions from many different players up top led by Columbus Crew midfielder Kevin Molino with two goals, as well as Marcus Joseph, Ryan Telfer and Neveal Hackshaw who form a dangerous quartet going forward, and the likes of Reon Moore (two goals) and Andre Fortune bring fresh legs and a nose for a goal off the bench.

At the back, T&T will also feel like they are in good hands in the back with Denmark-based goalkeeper Nicklas Frenderup, who did a superb job in the two Prelims matches, keeping his head during the deciding penalty shootout against French Guiana and making the save that sent his side to the group stage.

Frenderup also benefits from a strong defensive front. Jelani Peters and David are an experienced set of centre backs to keep Frenderup protected, while fullbacks Alvin Jones and Ross Russell Jr make sure there are no breaches on the wings.

Mexico, meanwhile, comes into the T&T match on the back of a resounding 4-0 bashing of Nigeria in a friendly international last weekend in Los Angeles in their final warm-up encounter. 

El Tricolor coached by former Barcelona FC boss, Argentine Gerardo Martin boasts a lot of star power, led by forward Hirving Lozano of Italy’s Napoli, who has 14 goals in 47 matches with Mexico. AT&T Stadium is also friendly territory for Lozano who scored two goals in his last match in Arlington in a 2-1 friendly win versus Iceland on May 29.

Another striker to watch will be former Argentina Under-20 player Rogelio Funes Mori, who made his Mexico debut last Saturday in the Nigeria encounter and scored just four minutes into the match.

Not to be overlooked is winger Uriel Antuna of Guadalajara, who scored four goals for Mexico in the 2019 Gold Cup, including a hat trick in a 7-0 win over Cuba.

One this is for certain is that both T&T and Mexico are not known to shy away from the big moment which will make for an entertaining affair.

In the other Pool A match today, familiar foes El Salvador and Curacao will open Gold Cup with the first match in Group A at Toyota Stadium in Frisco, Texas from 5 pm.

It marks the third Gold Cup meeting between the two sides, with Curacao having faced the Cuscatlecos in each of their previous two Gold Cup appearances.

In 2017, El Salvador pocketed a 2-0 win in Denver, Colorado, while two years later the Central Americans opened their group with a 1-0 triumph against the Caribbean side in Kingston, Jamaica.

Under the guidance of assistant coach and European football legend Patrick Kluivert, Curacao will be hoping that the third time is a charm.

They certainly have the talent to earn the three points, with the likes of veteran Leandro Bacuna, who is one of two players to have scored in a Gold Cup for Curacao, and experienced Eloy Room, who has been in goal for all seven of Curacao’s previous Gold Cup matches.

Also aiding the cause will be forward Jarchinio Antonio, who arrives into the tournament in good form after amassing three assists during Concacaf World Cup Qualifying for Qatar 2022.

El Salvador, now in its 15th Gold Cup and led by Head Coach and former USA international Hugo Perez, will also be feeling confident after having qualified for the Final Round of CWCQ.

Forward David Rugamas scored eight goals in El Salvador’s six matches in CWCQ, while fellow striker Joshua Perez chipped in with three goals.

A winning start for either side would go a long way toward punching a ticket to the knockout round.

Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: gawd on pitch on July 10, 2021, 08:43:15 AM
Take the loss and use this game for experimenting. Try switching up the formation. Try players in different positions. See what works. Then use this information to beat El Salvador and Guatemala.

BTW. Guatemala has it out for us. Any fck up, and they go smell blood and punish us.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: asylumseeker on July 10, 2021, 09:01:06 AM
Pre-match press conference

https://www.youtube.com/v/EuwqYXj3SSQ
Why do our players "develop" the accent of the countries they go to play in. Its ridiculous Neveal is speaking like a Yankee yet the Canadian born n bred Telfer speaking like a Trini

The "Canadian-born" Telfer went to school in Trinidad, so not quite the twilight zone. Ah mean, technically he is also an Atletico Madrid-owned player ... Things can get muddled. Iz life. Plus, Telfer had the incentive to leverage Trini talk to reduce the perception of him being an outsider ... although every now and again posts are made referring to him as the Canadian (this post excepted).

If these press conferences get any shorter, we could blink several times.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: Toussaint on July 10, 2021, 10:40:02 AM
Take the loss and use this game for experimenting. Try switching up the formation. Try players in different positions. See what works. Then use this information to beat El Salvador and Guatemala.

BTW. Guatemala has it out for us. Any fck up, and they go smell blood and punish us.

The Mexico match must be approached like a must-win game because the second position will likely come down to goal differences. Be competitive versus Mexico, then get points from both El Salvador and Guatemala. So, instead of accepting the fate, play to score versus Mexico and force them to allocate resources in the back by fighting for every inch in the midfield and covering the flanks. That is how central American teams are usually able to limit the damages when playing Mexico. They don't just go defensive and hope that Mexico will respect their personal space! :)

If this game versus Mexico is kept at a respectable score, then surviving this group becomes a reality. Guatemala is a weak team. I can see a victory over the Guatemalans. The fight for second place is really between T&T and El Salvador, which is why the game versus Mexico is so important even if it results in a loss.

On a second note, forget everything. Just beat Mexico and everyone else, problem solved! :)
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: maxg on July 10, 2021, 11:30:32 AM
Take the loss and use this game for experimenting. Try switching up the formation. Try players in different positions. See what works. Then use this information to beat El Salvador and Guatemala.

BTW. Guatemala has it out for us. Any fck up, and they go smell blood and punish us.

The Mexico match must be approached like a must-win game because the second position will likely come down to goal differences. Be competitive versus Mexico, then get points from both El Salvador and Guatemala. So, instead of accepting the fate, play to score versus Mexico and force them to allocate resources in the back by fighting for every inch in the midfield and covering the flanks. That is how central American teams are usually able to limit the damages when playing Mexico. They don't just go defensive and hope that Mexico will respect their personal space! :)

If this game versus Mexico is kept at a respectable score, then surviving this group becomes a reality. Guatemala is a weak team. I can see a victory over the Guatemalans. The fight for second place is really between T&T and El Salvador, which is why the game versus Mexico is so important even if it results in a loss.

On a second note, forget everything. Just beat Mexico and everyone else, problem solved! :)
:thumbsup: have seen more unlikely things happen.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: asylumseeker on July 10, 2021, 01:15:03 PM
Tata Martino is suspended for the match ... So ...even if we beat them, his wuk safe.  :)
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: asylumseeker on July 10, 2021, 01:26:18 PM


Talavera
O. Rodríguez
Salcedo
Araujo
L. Rodríguez
Herrera
Álvarez
Gutierrez
Lozano
Funes Mori
Corona.




Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: Brownsugar on July 10, 2021, 02:49:17 PM
Alright peeps. I real out of it.  Who is dis Fenderup fella?  De goalie.  I nearly fall out mih chair this week when he name call and I saw him and den he spoke.  What accent is dat?  Who he??!!  :thinking:
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: maxg on July 10, 2021, 03:13:39 PM


Talavera
O. Rodríguez
Salcedo
Araujo
L. Rodríguez
Herrera
Álvarez
Gutierrez
Lozano
Funes Mori
Corona.





Oh jeez an.. dat muffs ass corona again? We go vaccinate with ah hacksaw then !
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: Brownsugar on July 10, 2021, 04:20:43 PM
Lawd!! Dis game is 10 pm??!!  I reach ole people stage where I does have to nap during de day to stay up late....and ah eh get mih nap today..... ;D
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: Tallman on July 10, 2021, 04:29:04 PM
Mexico vs Trinidad and Tobago Gold Cup Statistics

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E59yJWGXoAMzrb0?format=jpg&name=medium)
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: truehaitian on July 10, 2021, 04:49:38 PM
I'm predicting a 1974 encore....a repeat performance of T&T over Mexico in the 1974 CONCACAF finale in Haiti.
T&T 4  Mexico 0..

Only this time around,  the 72-year old, star of the 1974 finale,  Warren Archibald will be watching somewhere in Brooklyn, of course not on the field.  LOL

Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: asylumseeker on July 10, 2021, 05:26:02 PM


Talavera
O. Rodríguez
Salcedo
Araujo
L. Rodríguez
Herrera
Álvarez
Gutierrez
Lozano
Funes Mori
Corona.





Oh jeez an.. dat muffs ass corona again? We go vaccinate with ah hacksaw then !

Things to look out for in the earlies:

1. Fast start with immediate attempt at penetration and shot on goal. Relying on our players not being immediately at the necessary level of concentration.

2. Related to the above: immediate attempt to generate a deadball situation/ attempt to generate a card on a defending player. Players likely to be the agitators of this: Herrera, Lozano and/or Corona.

3. Álvarez -----> Funes Mori

Side note: Aside from Talavera who is approaching 40, each of the Mexican lines has one player at ~ age 30 (Herrera, Funes Mori, Rodriguez on the R flank of the back 4 and Araujo the CB). Ordinarily another 30+ y/o (Hector Moreno) would be on the pitch in CB but he's not available.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: frico on July 10, 2021, 05:33:15 PM
I'm predicting a 1974 encore....a repeat performance of T&T over Mexico in the 1974 CONCACAF finale in Haiti.
T&T 4  Mexico 0..
 :worried:
Only this time around,  the 72-year old, star of the 1974 finale,  Warren Archibald will be watching somewhere in Brooklyn, of course not on the field.  LOL


Are you planning some special Haitian magic ;D to help TT,I will be happy if we are defeated 4-nil. :worried:
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: frico on July 10, 2021, 05:49:24 PM
I'm predicting a 1974 encore....a repeat performance of T&T over Mexico in the 1974 CONCACAF finale in Haiti.
T&T 4  Mexico 0..
 :worried:
Only this time around,  the 72-year old, star of the 1974 finale,  Warren Archibald will be watching somewhere in Brooklyn, of course not on the field.  LOL


Are you planning some special Haitian magic ;D to help TT,I will be happy if we are defeated 4-nil. :worried:
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: chelsealife on July 10, 2021, 07:33:08 PM
I seeing that Angus bench Molino, frenderup, telfer, hackshaw. Eight defenders starting. Wdmc I seeing here bai
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: Tallman on July 10, 2021, 07:42:57 PM
Lineups

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E5-q4XnXEAYHgVb?format=jpg&name=medium)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E5-pw4YWUAIz2xW?format=jpg&name=medium)
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: Dinner Mints on July 10, 2021, 07:45:37 PM
Embarrassing, but pragmatic I guess. I know not to watch now, though.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: chelsealife on July 10, 2021, 07:46:42 PM
Any links for the game? Or local stations?
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: lefty on July 10, 2021, 07:54:44 PM
marvin phillips what eve thinking here marvin :banginghead: :banginghead: :banginghead: :banginghead: yuh playin on d counter yuh have a ball playing keeper and yuh goh play f**kin marvin
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: Dinner Mints on July 10, 2021, 07:58:16 PM
marvin phillips what eve thinking here marvin
Either he think Marvin a better shot-stopper. Or Frenderup get bench for saying we play crap. Or Angus decide this game is already a loss so he giving some bench players a run.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: hg495 on July 10, 2021, 07:59:14 PM
I want to hear eve explain thst starting lineup  smh
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: lefty on July 10, 2021, 08:02:39 PM
marvin phillips what eve thinking here marvin
Either he think Marvin a better shot-stopper. Or Frenderup get bench for saying we play crap. Or Angus decide this game is already a loss so he giving some bench players a run.
Eve hadda be d height ah thin skin to do dat to d man dat play ah BIG PART in gettin him here

Marvin does get scapegoated too much for weak defending but is still pretty bad....I think this is a bad gamble if it is ah gamble
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: triniairman on July 10, 2021, 08:03:53 PM
Eve better have a damn good explanation for benching the best keeper on the team..
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: lefty on July 10, 2021, 08:09:07 PM
what if goal difference become a factor
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: lefty on July 10, 2021, 08:17:27 PM
game delayed or what
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: lil damo on July 10, 2021, 08:20:39 PM
Any links
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: Preacher on July 10, 2021, 08:23:04 PM
Try thie.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwLXe_WBEe8
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: Tallman on July 10, 2021, 08:24:44 PM
Any links for the game? Or local stations?

http://www.hesgoal.com/news/82723/Mexico_vs_Trinidad_and_Tobago.html
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: gawd on pitch on July 10, 2021, 08:26:09 PM
Eve throw in the towel by not starting who I consider are the best players. He knows the games after this one are more important.

With all of the injuries and unavailabilities, that starting team is a B team.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: chinee boi on July 10, 2021, 08:30:02 PM
Try thie.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwLXe_WBEe8

or this https://socceronline.me/mexico-vs-trinidad-and-tobago-live/stream-3
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: lil damo on July 10, 2021, 08:31:49 PM
Thanks for the links
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: Peong on July 10, 2021, 08:38:45 PM
I hope he didn't rest Hackshaw because of the yellow. This lineup is headache. I eh really see where we can make some inroads. This is a strong Mexico. Good luck fellas
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: lefty on July 10, 2021, 08:58:45 PM
I have no video started with vid then went dark and the commentary is spanish
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: che on July 10, 2021, 09:14:29 PM
These Bol uniforms look decent
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: lefty on July 10, 2021, 09:22:58 PM
Dangerous ploy but it kinda wukin so far
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: Brownsugar on July 10, 2021, 09:24:01 PM
I seeing that Angus bench Molino, frenderup, telfer, hackshaw. Eight defenders starting. Wdmc I seeing here bai

I here wondering if Molino injured or he gone back to play for he club....or....or.....only to come here and see he on de bench.....

No wonder the one run they made towards goal it had nobody to pass the ball to.....lawd fadder...... :bs:  :yellowcard:
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: che on July 10, 2021, 09:24:14 PM
7 min stoppage . wow
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: lefty on July 10, 2021, 09:24:30 PM
Whey dem find  7mins
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: Brownsugar on July 10, 2021, 09:25:00 PM
Dangerous ploy but it kinda wukin so far

For how long though....is only a matter of time.... :-X
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: Brownsugar on July 10, 2021, 09:25:37 PM
Whey dem find  7mins

The injury to to the Mexican took loooooonnngggg to resolve....
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: lefty on July 10, 2021, 09:28:37 PM
Whey dem find  7mins

The injury to to the Mexican took loooooonnngggg to resolve....
ok didn' have video for ah while
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: Cocorite on July 10, 2021, 09:33:16 PM
At least them fellas have fight. Buh ah cyar take de boom kick. They could at least pass out of the back.

Let's see what the 2nd half brings. Hope Eve has a 2nd half plan
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: jojosxm on July 10, 2021, 09:36:34 PM
Yeah more of the same.................
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: lefty on July 10, 2021, 09:37:04 PM
we playon ah lil too deep, and dey need to choke out d half spaces better, one good cutback ah bit ah luck and Mexico could score
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: soccerman on July 10, 2021, 09:42:49 PM
Hanging on for dear life, now we should talk about finding ways where we can hold up the ball inside their half a bit.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: Brownsugar on July 10, 2021, 09:43:59 PM
we playon ah lil too deep, and dey need to choke out d half spaces better, one good cutback ah bit ah luck and Mexico could score

Is not if Mexico will score, but when.....
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: Sam on July 10, 2021, 09:45:13 PM
Good result but T&T need to be careful.

Brent Sam sucking this team and Peters making to many mistakes.

Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: lefty on July 10, 2021, 09:48:09 PM
we playon ah lil too deep, and dey need to choke out d half spaces better, one good cutback ah bit ah luck and Mexico could score

Is not if Mexico will score, but when.....

fingers crossed luv fingers crossed ah see he bringin on molino
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: chelsealife on July 10, 2021, 09:54:28 PM
Good result but T&T need to be careful.

Brent Sam sucking this team and Peters making to many mistakes.


Brent Sam not on the team and Peters not having a bad game 👀👀
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: lefty on July 10, 2021, 09:55:40 PM
half space cut back again good save phillips
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: Peong on July 10, 2021, 10:06:19 PM
Doh shake dey hand, iz war out there

Eve slowly moving to a more orthodox lineup.
I cuss when I saw the 11, but whatever that was, Eve frustrated and perplexed Mexico. Probably wore them down as well.
Settle fellas, we can get something out of this.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: Bitter on July 10, 2021, 10:10:23 PM
This game make me come out of retirement.
When is the last time we see a T&T team play this long with this kind of defensive discipline?
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: lefty on July 10, 2021, 10:15:10 PM
half space cut back again good save phillips
dem runs being left to happen
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: lefty on July 10, 2021, 10:16:30 PM
finally gettin cover good job jones
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: lefty on July 10, 2021, 10:26:41 PM
phillips with d save of ah lifetime
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: Peong on July 10, 2021, 10:28:07 PM
What a save boy, Phillip well done
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: Brownsugar on July 10, 2021, 10:35:15 PM
This time I eh know whey dem 7 mins come from!!!!  :frustrated:
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: lefty on July 10, 2021, 10:35:30 PM
lucky we not watching d dat run over and over
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: chelsealife on July 10, 2021, 10:35:58 PM
This time I eh know whey dem 7 mins come from!!!!  :frustrated:
I myself wanna know. Nun n really happen to warrant da
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: Brownsugar on July 10, 2021, 10:36:14 PM
This game make me come out of retirement.
When is the last time we see a T&T team play this long with this kind of defensive discipline?

Boy......I'm speechless!!
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: Brownsugar on July 10, 2021, 10:37:20 PM
What is this discriminatory speech drama thing??  Dais more time on de clock.... ???
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: lefty on July 10, 2021, 10:39:12 PM
what causing d delays mih spanish nonexistant
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: Thomo on July 10, 2021, 10:39:42 PM
Tactical masterclass by Eve!!
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: chelsealife on July 10, 2021, 10:40:27 PM
Dey trying to unsettle we team. Dais wah it about steups
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: Brownsugar on July 10, 2021, 10:41:13 PM
 :nailbiting: :praying: :nailbiting: :praying:
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: chelsealife on July 10, 2021, 10:41:53 PM
Lovely. We taking da
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: Trini _2026 on July 10, 2021, 10:42:34 PM
yessssssssssssssssssssssssss
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: Brownsugar on July 10, 2021, 10:42:39 PM
Hear nah!!  I gladly eat mih plate ah crow tonight!!!! :applause: :applause: :applause: :cheers:
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: lefty on July 10, 2021, 10:42:49 PM
Tactical masterclass by Eve!!

 :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: ah hadda give d man credit well done :applause: :applause: :applause:
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: chinee boi on July 10, 2021, 10:43:22 PM
I'll take that tie
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: ZANDOLIE on July 10, 2021, 10:43:27 PM
9 minutes of ot?

good show fellas holding mex goal less!
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: lefty on July 10, 2021, 10:44:33 PM
9 minutes of ot?

dat was some bullshit dey
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: gawd on pitch on July 10, 2021, 10:44:39 PM
I knew it was going to change when I seen the starters come in.

Reon Moore has real legs. He will get better.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: ZANDOLIE on July 10, 2021, 10:46:42 PM
9 minutes of ot?

dat was some bullshit dey

ca ca-holery
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: hg495 on July 10, 2021, 10:47:03 PM
Wow just wow. Philips play de game of his life boy
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: Brownsugar on July 10, 2021, 10:47:35 PM
9 minutes of ot?


Boy!!...real nonsense!!  Ah still want to know what was that discriminatory language thing about..... ???
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: Thomo on July 10, 2021, 10:48:31 PM
Tactical masterclass by Eve. He knew they would have scouted his team so changed formation and personnel. Mainly defenders in the 1st half with 5 at the back. Mexico saw RB Jones as a weak link (or their left as a strength) and targeted him but he stood firm. The offensive subs and team structure in the 2nd half made sense too.
Must give Eve props here. Did proper homework!
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: triniairman on July 10, 2021, 10:49:21 PM
nice tactics.. congrats on the tie.. whats up with that racist shit?  :pissedoff:
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: Bitter on July 10, 2021, 10:50:30 PM
What is this discriminatory speech drama thing??  Dais more time on de clock.... ???

what causing d delays mih spanish nonexistant

https://www.latimes.com/world/mexico-americas/la-fg-mexico-soccer-slur-20170623-story.html (https://www.latimes.com/world/mexico-americas/la-fg-mexico-soccer-slur-20170623-story.html)
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: soccerman on July 10, 2021, 10:50:39 PM
Well done to Angus and the coaching staff for coming up with that game plan and big props to the players for executing it!!!
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: davyjenny1 on July 10, 2021, 10:50:46 PM
Credit to the entire team and staff for pulling off a draw against El Tri Tonight! Not pretty, as they say, ah win is ah win. :applause: :applause: :applause:
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: ZANDOLIE on July 10, 2021, 10:51:08 PM
no great accomplishment compared with the draw under stephen hart. but looking this particular lineup we did very well. a great start!!
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: Bitter on July 10, 2021, 10:52:25 PM
Hear nah!!  I gladly eat mih plate ah crow tonight!!!! :applause: :applause: :applause: :cheers:

I put ketchup on mine
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: lefty on July 10, 2021, 10:52:54 PM
What is this discriminatory speech drama thing??  Dais more time on de clock.... ???

what causing d delays mih spanish nonexistant

https://www.latimes.com/world/mexico-americas/la-fg-mexico-soccer-slur-20170623-story.html (https://www.latimes.com/world/mexico-americas/la-fg-mexico-soccer-slur-20170623-story.html)

oh ok understood
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: lefty on July 10, 2021, 10:53:35 PM
Hear nah!!  I gladly eat mih plate ah crow tonight!!!! :applause: :applause: :applause: :cheers:

I put ketchup on mine
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: ;D had mih concerns especially with phillips but he come through
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: Brownsugar on July 10, 2021, 10:54:39 PM
What is this discriminatory speech drama thing??  Dais more time on de clock.... ???

what causing d delays mih spanish nonexistant

https://www.latimes.com/world/mexico-americas/la-fg-mexico-soccer-slur-20170623-story.html (https://www.latimes.com/world/mexico-americas/la-fg-mexico-soccer-slur-20170623-story.html)

Oh ho!!   ::)
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: che on July 10, 2021, 10:56:03 PM
when I saw Marvin in goal I cuss. But he made me eat my words. well done T&T
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: lefty on July 10, 2021, 10:58:23 PM
when I saw Marvin in goal I cuss. But he made me eat my words. well done T&T


not u alone
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: Socafan on July 10, 2021, 10:59:59 PM
Tactical masterclass by Eve. He knew they would have scouted his team so changed formation and personnel. Mainly defenders in the 1st half with 5 at the back. Mexico saw RB Jones as a weak link (or their left as a strength) and targeted him but he stood firm. The offensive subs and team structure in the 2nd half made sense too.
Must give Eve props here. Did proper homework!

 :thumbsup:

This...Its great when a deliberate plan of action is executed and works. No Strikers to start, 2 midfielders and the rest defenders. Smart changeup, or cange of personnel second half too. And the players remained focused ( well more than usual) right through. Niceness.

The overall foball wasn't great but still.....it bring mih out of retirement....
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: Peong on July 10, 2021, 11:01:50 PM
We had a chance to win it eh. Next time bury it in dey chest.
Real warriors out there tonight, and a little luck.
Well done Eve and the squad
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: che on July 10, 2021, 11:03:22 PM
imagine if we had scored right at the end  :o
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: lefty on July 10, 2021, 11:05:44 PM
imagine if we had scored right at the end  :o

we almost got away few times but d release pass get block
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: ZANDOLIE on July 10, 2021, 11:15:05 PM
What is this discriminatory speech drama thing??  Dais more time on de clock.... ???

what causing d delays mih spanish nonexistant

https://www.latimes.com/world/mexico-americas/la-fg-mexico-soccer-slur-20170623-story.html (https://www.latimes.com/world/mexico-americas/la-fg-mexico-soccer-slur-20170623-story.html)

i was at a pan-am game with my family in ivor wynne stadium in hamilton ontario a few years back. every time our goalie touched the ball the mexican fans were screaming 'putoooo'. i was sitting there getting steaming hot. ricardo john had us up 1-0 in the 1st half. then s. henry scored to make it 2-0.  well that was that. i jumped up and started yelling putoooooo!!! putooooo!!! loud loud. my wife and children were looking at me like i was crazy. the mexican fans in front of our seats were looking back with jaws dropped like they were shocked and offended. after i got it out of my system i sat down and turned to my daughter to say something like sorry honey daddy is just passionate about the game. before i could open meh mout she turn and say 'well who needs mexicans' anyway....'  i almost dead with laugh!
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: ZANDOLIE on July 10, 2021, 11:18:13 PM
imagine if we had scored right at the end  :o

a next 20+ mins injury time
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: Tiresais on July 10, 2021, 11:21:30 PM
Nice, Mexico looked out of ideas in the 2nd half - their lack of flair was quite exposed by the defensive, low block Eve employed.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: soccerman on July 10, 2021, 11:33:23 PM
Mexican fans on social media real blaming the ref, bout they should’ve had 2 penalties. Oh and they’ll never get banned from the Gold Cup because they’re a cash cow for CONCACAF and they give the tournament ratings.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: Deeks on July 10, 2021, 11:45:33 PM
We were lucky. The first half injury to the Mex. player could have or should have been a penalty. It looked like a push in the back. But We have to give it them for the discipline and fighting spirit. Congrats and Good luck
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: davyjenny1 on July 10, 2021, 11:58:19 PM
God will sleep good tomorrow; sleepless for a hole day prior and during the game.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: Flex on July 11, 2021, 12:24:36 AM
Recap: Mexico 0, Trinidad & Tobago 0
By Ari Liljenwall (MLSSoccer.com).


Mexico dominated the action, but couldn't find a breakthrough goal in their Concacaf Gold Cup Group A opener against Trinidad & Tobago at AT&T Stadium in Arlington, Texas on Saturday, instead splitting the points in a frustrating 0-0 draw with the Soca Warriors.

Mexico logged a flurry of chances from the get-go, but were dealt a scary early blow when winger Hirving "Chucky" Lozano had to be subbed out 10 minutes into the contest after a collision in the box that saw him take a knee to the face from Trinidad goalkeeper Marvin Phillip. Lozano was stretchered off the field while his teammates adamantly argued a penalty kick should have been awarded on the play, but none was given by referee Ricardo Montero.

Lozano was replaced by LA Galaxy attacker Efrain Alvarez, who technically still had dual eligibility to represent the United States, but is now officially cap-tied to Mexico with the appearance in an official FIFA senior competition.

Mexico continued to hold possession in the T&T end for the majority of the rest of the match, but never could convert a game-winning goal. El Tri thought they had their breakthrough at the start of second-half stoppage time when Jesus Gallardo sent in a cross that was redirected into the back of the net, but he was ruled offside in the build-up.

Mexico had the last good look of the game just before the final whistle, but a snap header off a corner kick was saved by Phillip and the match would end scoreless.

Goals

None

Three Things

THE BIG PICTURE: It's a frustrating result to start Gold Cup play for El Tri, who ended the match with a whopping 83 percent of possession and outshot the Soca Warriors by a 28-4 margin, only to see Trinidad see out the scoreless draw with a stalwart defensive effort that leaves them in solid position to advance. Mexico will look to get their Gold Cup campaign on track in their next match against Guatemala on Wednesday, with the status of Lozano the biggest storyline to monitor for Tata Martino's group in the meantime.

MOMENT OF THE MATCH: Mexico was just a matter of inches of finding a dramatic late winner, only to see the goal waved off by the AR for a borderline offside call. The reaction from the Mexico players upon realizing the call says it all.

MAN OF THE MATCH: You have to give credit to the Trinidad defense for withstanding that amount of pressure, and veteran backstop Marvin Phillip was in the middle of that, controlling his side's stout defensive block and coming through with several key saves.

Watch - Game Highlights (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMGGEGlgk9w)

Teams

T&T: Marvin Phillip (capt), Alvin Jones, Aubrey David, Jelani Peters, Radanfah Abu Bakr, Ross Russell, Hashim Arcia, Judah García, Triston Hodge, Mekeil Williams, Reon Moore.

Mexico: Alfredo Talavera, Luis Rodríguez, Araujo, Carlos Salcedo, O. Rodríguez, Hector Herrera (capt), Edson Álvarez, Erick Gutiérrez, Jose Corona, Rogelio Funes Mori, Hirving Lozano.

Referee: Ricardo Montero Araya (Costa Rica).

History Mexico vs Trinidad and Tobago

The Mexican national team has played against Trinidad and Tobago in 24 matches, including qualifiers (12), Gold Cup (5), friendlies (3) and the former CONCACAF Championship (4). Mexico leads the record by a wide margin. In total, the Tricolor won 15 games, drew six and was defeated on three occasions. In goal statistics, Mexico has 54 goals for and 22 against.

Next Up

MEX: Wednesday, July 14 vs. Guatemala | 9:30 pm ET (FS1, UniMás, TUDN) | Concacaf Gold Cup Group Stage

T&T: Wednesday, July 14 vs. El Salvador | 7:30 pm ET (FS1, UniMás, TUDN) | Concacaf Gold Cup Group Stage

Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: Controversial on July 11, 2021, 12:27:08 AM
So he decided to park the bus in advance
He play Phillips and mostly defenders and was going for a draw?

We couldn't string together 7 to 10 passes and couldn't dribble out the back but it was pure boom kick and clearing from the back.. we were lucky we were not down 2 or 3 nil tbh

That is not a masterclass, thats cowardly.. purposely playing for a Draw with Mexico is not what I call good football... its like he already did not have confidence to win which sounds like classic eve weak mentality

There was nothing to enjoy about that match where tt was constantly on the back foot from the beginning.. the midfield was non existent

Lemme guess, draw with Mexico and go for wins against the other teams?

Eve just lost my vote of confidence with that BS he pull, I don't care if we drew with Mexico it was bad tactics
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: Controversial on July 11, 2021, 12:33:13 AM
I would like to really hear Seekers analysis on this tbh
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: ABTrini on July 11, 2021, 01:16:20 AM
 Frankly, I couldn't care less about they passing or the lack of scoring opportunities we  did not have or  anything else- to me is the result- We did what we  had to do to get a point!!! Did we look like world beaters? did we look out classed?
 
But say what if Mexico with all the fire power could not put us away, that is a moral victory. And at a time like this in our football let's take this and  be content for the team.

 Ah  wonder how Pull stones and partner TF  feeling or what they thinking? ah sure Eve eh getting 20 K us!!!! :rotfl:
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: ABTrini on July 11, 2021, 01:36:52 AM
T&T needs a bulldog player to beat or tie Mexico..

Mexico is superia but cannot play under physicality.

Jelani Peters is shit and Neveal Hackshaw and Curtis Gonzales is overweight and too slow.

Justin Garcia is a better leftback than Ross Russell Jr.

Jesse Williams needs to start and push Alvin Jones up the wing.

Reon Moore over Marcis Joseph.

Hashim Arcia over Andre Fortune.

T&T good for 8.

Not being negative, its reality.

Corona, Herrera, Salcedo and Moreno go kill them.

Angus Eve is a f00cking joke, only one replacement Noah, he dreaming from his playing days where he had many good players around him, not like now.

 :cursing: :yellowcard: :yellowcard: :yellowcard: :banginghead: :banginghead: :banginghead:
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: ABTrini on July 11, 2021, 01:37:29 AM
Frankly, I couldn't care less about they passing or the lack of scoring opportunities we  did not have or  anything else- to me is the result- We did what we  had to do to get a point!!! Did we look like world beaters? did we look out classed?
 
But say what if Mexico with all the fire power could not put us away, that is a moral victory. And at a time like this in our football let's take this and  be content for the team.

Some work to do  with the midfielders and defenders- Still too much space for  opposition to run through. Too many gaps in the defense for men to shot through. Need to close in on  opposing attackers and drive them off the ball. We allowing too much space for attackers.  This result should give us the confidence to stand up and paly with more assertion  next game.

p.s.    Ah  wonder how Pull stones and partner TF  feeling or what they thinking? ah sure Eve eh getting 20 K us!!!! :rotfl:

keep the fires burning
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: pull stones on July 11, 2021, 02:25:44 AM
Mexican fans on social media real blaming the ref, bout they should’ve had 2 penalties. Oh and they’ll never get banned from the Gold Cup because they’re a cash cow for CONCACAF and they give the tournament ratings.
what goes around come full circle, maybe not right away but one things for sure the wheels of justice may turn slow but none the less it turns. in 2017 jovin jones scored a cracker at the national stadium and the jamaican assistant ref called it off side, no one made a meal of it and we eventually went on the lose the game 1-0, but we took it on the chin and moved on, and though it hurt at the time all we could have done was walk it or sleep it off. i for one walked from the stadium to ariputa ave sad and disappointed, now it's their turn so i suggest they do the same, hold a salvassa and sulk.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: pull stones on July 11, 2021, 02:27:28 AM
well done angus eve, please don't stop making me eat my words, i kindah like the taste.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: frico on July 11, 2021, 02:43:43 AM
That's the way to do it Mr.Eve,if you cannot win you don't lose,learn from  experiences and we don't have to go back very far,Bahamas 0 TT 0.       We only drop a "Bahamas" pon El Tricolor...sweeeet!!
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: Deeks on July 11, 2021, 06:20:07 AM
I would like to really hear Seekers analysis on this tbh

You honestly expected TT to go toe to toe with the best team in Concacaf. Did you watch Brazil Arg. game. We, by far are not Arg. But Eve took a page out of their book to get  a point. It was not pretty. On another day we would  have gotten 4. And I am being conservative. Contro, given the state of our football you expected TT to open out and play run and gun football. We don't have the caliber of players that even Stephen Hart had. But them guys put up a hell of a fight. Remember these are mostly the same guys who could not get one goal past the mighty Bahamas.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: Deeks on July 11, 2021, 06:26:45 AM
T&T needs a bulldog player to beat or tie Mexico..

Mexico is superia but cannot play under physicality.

Jelani Peters is shit and Neveal Hackshaw and Curtis Gonzales is overweight and too slow.

Justin Garcia is a better leftback than Ross Russell Jr.

Jesse Williams needs to start and push Alvin Jones up the wing.

Reon Moore over Marcis Joseph.

Hashim Arcia over Andre Fortune.

T&T good for 8.

Not being negative, its reality.

Corona, Herrera, Salcedo and Moreno go kill them.

Angus Eve is a f00cking joke, only one replacement Noah, he dreaming from his playing days where he had many good players around him, not like now.

 :cursing: :yellowcard: :yellowcard: :yellowcard: :banginghead: :banginghead: :banginghead:

ABTrini Sam did have some of his points correct.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: gawd on pitch on July 11, 2021, 06:29:36 AM
That's what I talking about. Eve took a chance and it worked. Huge boost to morale and confidence. Reminds me of the first 2015 Gold Cup game when we trashed "Guata Guata" 5 -1. That game gave us the momentum to make the knockout.

How Marvin Phillip ain't playing on no club team and playing the best game of he life. Tremendous effort.

Mexico will be coming for blood when they play Guatemala on Wednesday. Mexico is not going to slip up. The good thing about this result is that Mexico will not win the group or advance to the knockout before their last game, which they were hoping for.

El Salvador is now concerned about us. They seen us handle Montserrat, a team that has given them a lot of trouble recently. And this result will have them digging in their tool box.

The Lozano incident. . Although I think Lozano would have gone down by the slightest touch, Jones did give him a push. But the injury was caused by Marvin Phillip, which was not intentional. . The ref knows that Lozano (or any player) would be shopping for a penalty once they get in the box. It's happened before where guys go down too easy, and they end up coming of worse. But damn, I hope Lozano is ok. Because the head injury looked serious. I doubt he coming back for the tournament.

Reon Moore, might have his coming out party similar to Cummings in 2015. It can certainly happen when we play against El Salvador or Guata Guata.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: Deeks on July 11, 2021, 06:41:44 AM
Again, I gave Angus the benefit doubt when he was appointed. But when he put Marvin on the starting roster, I use a pejoritive 4 letter word that rhymes with duck at Angus. But Marvin was certainly MIGHTY last night. So  I don't think we have a keeper problem. Nick and Marvin are doing fine. What we have to address now is our attack in the next game. One game at a time.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: Sando prince on July 11, 2021, 07:03:20 AM

I am watching the highlights. did T&T take any shots on Mexico goal? So we were on the defensive the entire game?
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: Deeks on July 11, 2021, 07:25:52 AM

I am watching the highlights. did T&T take any shots on Mexico goal? So we were on the defensive the entire game?

Absolutely, YES!!! Breds we almost scored closedto the end. It was a comedy of errors. Had the TT forward composed himself we would have scored. And Abu missed a goal when slide to score. He missed by some inches. It was at times  a shakey but  very courageous defensive performance.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: soccerman on July 11, 2021, 07:42:55 AM
Mexican fans on social media real blaming the ref, bout they should’ve had 2 penalties. Oh and they’ll never get banned from the Gold Cup because they’re a cash cow for CONCACAF and they give the tournament ratings.
what goes around come full circle, maybe not right away but one things for sure the wheels of justice may turn slow but none the less it turns. in 2017 jovin jones scored a cracker at the national stadium and the jamaican assistant ref called it off side, no one made a meal of it and we eventually went on the lose the game 1-0, but we took it on the chin and moved on, and though i hurt at the time all we could have done was walk it or sleep it off. i for one walked from the stadium to ariputa ave sad and disappointed, now it's their turn so i suggest they do the same, hold a salvassa and sulk.
Yup don’t mind them, I remember that with Jones. They had numerous opportunities and couldn’t convert so it’s silly to blame the ref. As for the alleged racists chants, they claim the fans were chanting “puto” and it’s not racist.
The player who went off injured looked like he got hit in the eye, hope he’s doing alright.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: 1-868 on July 11, 2021, 07:51:30 AM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=F3VsVEeiu8E
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: Sando prince on July 11, 2021, 08:26:28 AM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=F3VsVEeiu8E

my kinda vibes!  :beermug:
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: Thomo on July 11, 2021, 09:08:44 AM
Those criticising the tactics and comparing it to the back to back draws when SH was in charge are clueless about football.
We were coming up against a team that would have scouted us; lots of our players were unattached, lots in lower leagues; short of vital match fitness, and fatigued after the games vs FG Montserrat compared to Mexico.
He surprised them with his tactics, formation and personnel. You could see them trying to deliberately breakdown our right back Jones. Again the either saw him as a weak link based on their scouting or their strong side. We defended and they couldn't beat us to high balls over the top, we were taller than them, they play their balls on the pitch and try to break the lines. They couldn't get through the lines as if was so congested so the tried to pull it back and have a shot but MP was brilliant.
I was surprised in the 2nd half that they didn't try anything different and then Eve hit them by bringing in fresher legs and changed the system again to hit them on the counterattack. It almost worked too but Moore lost his composure.
Then guys executed the game plan brilliantly and played with pride and heart.
Big up allyuh self fellas. Well done!
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: ffisback on July 11, 2021, 09:39:06 AM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=F3VsVEeiu8E
What wrong with these fools !!
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: Deeks on July 11, 2021, 10:05:52 AM
Mexican fans on social media real blaming the ref, bout they should’ve had 2 penalties. Oh and they’ll never get banned from the Gold Cup because they’re a cash cow for CONCACAF and they give the tournament ratings.
what goes around come full circle, maybe not right away but one things for sure the wheels of justice may turn slow but none the less it turns. in 2017 jovin jones scored a cracker at the national stadium and the jamaican assistant ref called it off side, no one made a meal of it and we eventually went on the lose the game 1-0, but we took it on the chin and moved on, and though i hurt at the time all we could have done was walk it or sleep it off. i for one walked from the stadium to ariputa ave sad and disappointed, now it's their turn so i suggest they do the same, hold a salvassa and sulk.
Yup don’t mind them, I remember that with Jones. They had numerous opportunities and couldn’t convert so it’s silly to blame the ref. As for the alleged racists chants, they claim the fans were chanting “puto” and it’s not racist.
The player who went off injured looked like he got hit in the eye, hope he’s doing alright.

I think FIFA wants The fans to stop using it altogether. It can have  several pejorative meanings. This from Urban Dictionary

The masculine form of the Spanish/ Portuguese word puta ("whore"/"slut"/"bitch"). " Puto " can apply to gay males in some places or simply to any male who is sexually loose (some males are sexually loose, some aren't; sexuality has little to do with it). " Puto " is used to imply weakness or cowardice in Spanish-speaking countries.

Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: maxg on July 11, 2021, 10:53:30 AM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=F3VsVEeiu8E
What wrong with these fools !!
Yeah boy. Dem getting on like dey ain’t give ah shit bout you... smh.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: lefty on July 11, 2021, 11:25:28 AM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=F3VsVEeiu8E
What wrong with these fools !!
Yeah boy. Dem getting on like dey ain’t give ah shit bout you... smh.
:beermug:
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: ABTrini on July 11, 2021, 11:34:15 AM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=F3VsVEeiu8E
What wrong with these fools !!

 What you see wrong with getting pumped up or celebrating  a morale victory?-  No ah damn thing wrong with this!!
I eh sure if the coach before would have allowed this expression and celebration  which is who we are
To cast aspirations on the way the team celebrated after a hard fought draw is callous on your part.




Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: gawd on pitch on July 11, 2021, 11:38:29 AM
One man that deserves a clap is Abu Bakr. His first selection in years. Not much, if any, got passed him in the air.

If Fenwick was still coach, 5 goals against would have been about right. The last 3 games tells us how important a good coach is. Just over a month ago we tie Bahamas. Now we tie Mexico. Let me remind all yuh, Eve has done more, with less.

As I was saying, this was the game to experiment. Eve did that and look where we are.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: ZANDOLIE on July 11, 2021, 11:43:28 AM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=F3VsVEeiu8E
What wrong with these fools !!

Have them whipped and cut their rations in half. How dare they develop morale? If only you were coach....
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: pull stones on July 11, 2021, 11:50:42 AM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=F3VsVEeiu8E
What wrong with these fools !!

Have them whipped and cut their rations in half. How dare they develop morale? If only you were coach....
you have energy for this fool? if you go to the dictionary under the definition “kill joy” you will see a picture of this imp. his only reason for being here is to rile up the members. he’s never encouraging amicable or moderate, just a real contrary hard on wank job.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: Sam on July 11, 2021, 11:56:04 AM
Congrats to Eve and his team. Good fight, don't like Ross Russell to much.

Jesse Williams and Triston Hodge is two very good players, they run down them Mexicans.

Alvin Jones needs to work on his defensive ability, this is why Mexico was only attacking down the right. He need to play on the wing like Joevin.

Radanfah Abu Bakr and Mekeil Williams fall right back into de team nicely.

I was vex when ah see Marvin Phillip start over Nicklas Frenderup, but boy, Frenderup might not geh back he spot.

Can't believe Noah Powder was never called up more often, very good player.

Aubrey David was solid and after Marvin, I feel he was second best for T&T.

Mexico is one racist bastards and didn't play FIFA fair play when twice they never give us the back after we kick is out because of injury.

Eve went for experience and it worked. Benching Molino and Hyland was shocking but well worked.

De timing of his subs was really good and the men he bring on was boss.

Good jobs guys, every team intitle to have a good game and we did, now don't get time up, we need consistency.

We eh accomplish nothing yet, build from this and do what you came to do.

Love how de team fight.

Eve really make Fenwick look bad.

Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: pull stones on July 11, 2021, 11:58:26 AM
One man that deserves a clap is Abu Bakr. His first selection in years. Not much, if any, got passed him in the air.

If Fenwick was still coach, 5 goals against would have been about right. The last 3 games tells us how important a good coach is. Just over a month ago we tie Bahamas. Now we tie Mexico. Let me remind all yuh, Eve has done more, with less.

As I was saying, this was the game to experiment. Eve did that and look where we are.
yes I agree, abu bakar was easily my man of the match. he kept those air ball out and made some very significant blocks and tackles, now this is how you play football, with poise and urgency. on another note, it seem like angus has something that fenwick clearly lacked or maybe he’s just a much better coach altogether, what ever it is I like what I see and is hoping he could make me eat more crow, I heard through the grapevine that it’s actually good for runny mouth syndrome.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: ZANDOLIE on July 11, 2021, 11:58:49 AM
So he decided to park the bus in advance
He play Phillips and mostly defenders and was going for a draw?

We couldn't string together 7 to 10 passes and couldn't dribble out the back but it was pure boom kick and clearing from the back.. we were lucky we were not down 2 or 3 nil tbh

That is not a masterclass, thats cowardly.. purposely playing for a Draw with Mexico is not what I call good football... its like he already did not have confidence to win which sounds like classic eve weak mentality

There was nothing to enjoy about that match where tt was constantly on the back foot from the beginning.. the midfield was non existent

Lemme guess, draw with Mexico and go for wins against the other teams?

Eve just lost my vote of confidence with that BS he pull, I don't care if we drew with Mexico it was bad tactics

In T&T football a clean sheet is something to celebrate. After years of terrible performances. And scandals that caught international attention. Especially when we are playing without Hyland, J Jones, L. Garcia and Molino benched. And its the new coach's third game. And its Mexico we held to a goal less draw.

I'd say Eve's tactics in this game were exemplary. And its his ability to get this virtual B-side to buy into his tactics and perform that is the real eye opener
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: pull stones on July 11, 2021, 12:02:37 PM
Sam, hyland is injured and i don’t think he’s coming back anytime soon, but I could be wrong…..I hope I am.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: ZANDOLIE on July 11, 2021, 12:08:30 PM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=F3VsVEeiu8E
What wrong with these fools !!

Have them whipped and cut their rations in half. How dare they develop morale? If only you were coach....
you have energy for this fool? if you go to the dictionary under the definition “kill joy” you will see a picture of this imp. his only reason for being here is to rile up the members. he’s never encouraging amicable or moderate, just a real contrary hard on wank job.

I could have sworn I saw his picture under 'Bamsee'. Either way he's special
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: gawd on pitch on July 11, 2021, 12:10:11 PM
One man that deserves a clap is Abu Bakr. His first selection in years. Not much, if any, got passed him in the air.

If Fenwick was still coach, 5 goals against would have been about right. The last 3 games tells us how important a good coach is. Just over a month ago we tie Bahamas. Now we tie Mexico. Let me remind all yuh, Eve has done more, with less.

As I was saying, this was the game to experiment. Eve did that and look where we are.
yes I agree, abu bakar was easily my man of the match. he kept those air ball out and made some very significant blocks and tackles, now this is how you play football, with poise and urgency. on another note, it seem like angus has something that fenwick clearly lacked or maybe he’s just a much better coach altogether, what ever it is I like what I see and is hoping he could make me eat more crow, I heard through the grapevine that it’s actually good for runny mouth syndrome.

Maybe. One game at a time.

Fenwick just couldn't get it. I'm sure he'll be good for another team. He's not cut for this level. . But I will say that his rapport with the lads, and his approach to the game was his ultimate downfall. He went with a "teach them how to play like this" mentality. Instead of creating a team based on the players individual attributes. This is what makes a coach, a better coach.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: lefty on July 11, 2021, 12:17:14 PM
Have to give Marvin some props you became so accustomed to him failing spectacularly at times dat yuh tend to forget he is ah decent shot stopper especially with long drives, but last night he had ah defense doing ah job something he didn have a lot ah d times he fail.

good on him
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: Sando prince on July 11, 2021, 12:41:48 PM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=F3VsVEeiu8E
What wrong with these fools !!

What is wrong with positive team morale? This helps with team chemistry
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: Tallman on July 11, 2021, 03:47:49 PM
WATCH: Interim Head Coach Angus Eve reflects on Trinidad and Tobago's 0-0 draw with Mexico.

https://www.youtube.com/v/xWLaOBMMMDs
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: lefty on July 11, 2021, 04:08:55 PM
It's good to see more of our football planning being data driven, been hoping and praying for local coaching to be brought into the 21st century :applause: :applause: :applause: we now have at least one  :applause: :applause:
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: Tallman on July 11, 2021, 05:30:25 PM
WATCH: Man of the Match Goalkeeper, Marvin Phillip, reflects on Trinidad and Tobago's 0-0 draw with Mexico.

https://www.youtube.com/v/ztWL4hc8Q9U
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: Storeboy on July 11, 2021, 07:06:46 PM
We had a chance to win it eh. Next time bury it in dey chest.
Real warriors out there tonight, and a little luck.
Well done Eve and the squad

Luck favors the brave...and they fought fearlessly, bravely!
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: Storeboy on July 11, 2021, 07:22:34 PM
So he decided to park the bus in advance
He play Phillips and mostly defenders and was going for a draw?

We couldn't string together 7 to 10 passes and couldn't dribble out the back but it was pure boom kick and clearing from the back.. we were lucky we were not down 2 or 3 nil tbh

That is not a masterclass, thats cowardly.. purposely playing for a Draw with Mexico is not what I call good football... its like he already did not have confidence to win which sounds like classic eve weak mentality

There was nothing to enjoy about that match where tt was constantly on the back foot from the beginning.. the midfield was non existent

Lemme guess, draw with Mexico and go for wins against the other teams?

Eve just lost my vote of confidence with that BS he pull, I don't care if we drew with Mexico it was bad tactics
 
Teams play to win tournaments. Points are awarded as follows: Win - 3 points, Draw -1 point. Losses - 0 points. (I am sure you now that)
I don't know you but if you are upset because Eve played to get a point in a game where he was overmatched in quality, talent, and experience, then either you are a mad man, you must think this was a fete match, or you have some personal motive to be a critic of Angus Eve.

Are you telling me that Eve should have played an open game with a traditional 442 or 433 line up and get a 5-0 drubbing?
The result is all that matters, not foolish bravado. Live to fight another day, not how you get there.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: Storeboy on July 11, 2021, 07:24:23 PM
So he decided to park the bus in advance
He play Phillips and mostly defenders and was going for a draw?

We couldn't string together 7 to 10 passes and couldn't dribble out the back but it was pure boom kick and clearing from the back.. we were lucky we were not down 2 or 3 nil tbh

That is not a masterclass, thats cowardly.. purposely playing for a Draw with Mexico is not what I call good football... its like he already did not have confidence to win which sounds like classic eve weak mentality

There was nothing to enjoy about that match where tt was constantly on the back foot from the beginning.. the midfield was non existent

Lemme guess, draw with Mexico and go for wins against the other teams?

Eve just lost my vote of confidence with that BS he pull, I don't care if we drew with Mexico it was bad tactics

In T&T football a clean sheet is something to celebrate. After years of terrible performances. And scandals that caught international attention. Especially when we are playing without Hyland, J Jones, L. Garcia and Molino benched. And its the new coach's third game. And its Mexico we held to a goal less draw.

I'd say Eve's tactics in this game were exemplary. And its his ability to get this virtual B-side to buy into his tactics and perform that is the real eye opener
Amen! Only the results matter not bravado! Fortune favors the brave!
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: gawd on pitch on July 11, 2021, 07:53:26 PM
So he decided to park the bus in advance
He play Phillips and mostly defenders and was going for a draw?

We couldn't string together 7 to 10 passes and couldn't dribble out the back but it was pure boom kick and clearing from the back.. we were lucky we were not down 2 or 3 nil tbh

That is not a masterclass, thats cowardly.. purposely playing for a Draw with Mexico is not what I call good football... its like he already did not have confidence to win which sounds like classic eve weak mentality

There was nothing to enjoy about that match where tt was constantly on the back foot from the beginning.. the midfield was non existent

Lemme guess, draw with Mexico and go for wins against the other teams?

Eve just lost my vote of confidence with that BS he pull, I don't care if we drew with Mexico it was bad tactics

In T&T football a clean sheet is something to celebrate. After years of terrible performances. And scandals that caught international attention. Especially when we are playing without Hyland, J Jones, L. Garcia and Molino benched. And its the new coach's third game. And its Mexico we held to a goal less draw.

I'd say Eve's tactics in this game were exemplary. And its his ability to get this virtual B-side to buy into his tactics and perform that is the real eye opener
Amen! Only the results matter not bravado!

Yeah Contro, this is one time I think you got it wrong. Understand the odds were stacked against us on all angles:

- new coach
- fitness of the players
- key injuries and missing players
- lack of games to create chemistry
- yellow cards carried over
- essentially a home game for Mexico

Getting a point for the opening game is huge accomplishment. All them analysts were saying we walking away with at least 4. Eve overcame adversity. Sometimes we perform our best under those circumstances.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: Tallman on July 11, 2021, 07:58:04 PM
WATCH: Catching up with defender Radanfah Abu Bakr after Trinidad and Tobago's 0-0 draw with Mexico.

https://www.youtube.com/v/1dbAynq0Y4E
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: Controversial on July 11, 2021, 10:26:08 PM
Those criticising the tactics and comparing it to the back to back draws when SH was in charge are clueless about football.
We were coming up against a team that would have scouted us; lots of our players were unattached, lots in lower leagues; short of vital match fitness, and fatigued after the games vs FG Montserrat compared to Mexico.
He surprised them with his tactics, formation and personnel. You could see them trying to deliberately breakdown our right back Jones. Again the either saw him as a weak link based on their scouting or their strong side. We defended and they couldn't beat us to high balls over the top, we were taller than them, they play their balls on the pitch and try to break the lines. They couldn't get through the lines as if was so congested so the tried to pull it back and have a shot but MP was brilliant.
I was surprised in the 2nd half that they didn't try anything different and then Eve hit them by bringing in fresher legs and changed the system again to hit them on the counterattack. It almost worked too but Moore lost his composure.
Then guys executed the game plan brilliantly and played with pride and heart.
Big up allyuh self fellas. Well done!

He took a huge risk mind you... it worked out with the grace of god..

It could have gone very wrong mind you.. everyone who knows football knew what he did, it was creative and very risky, I give eve that, he had the belly to do it and hes better than Fenwick by miles but it was still poor tactics

Defend defend defend is not the best football, if you watched the England match today, that's what happens to teams that defend and hold very little possession..

All we did was defend and yes there was 2 opportunities but we were lucky it wasnt 2 nil or 3 nil

So yeah I know football very well and what he did wasnt the best tactics and I dont support a move like that going forward
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: Deeks on July 12, 2021, 01:08:11 AM
Those criticising the tactics and comparing it to the back to back draws when SH was in charge are clueless about football.
We were coming up against a team that would have scouted us; lots of our players were unattached, lots in lower leagues; short of vital match fitness, and fatigued after the games vs FG Montserrat compared to Mexico.
He surprised them with his tactics, formation and personnel. You could see them trying to deliberately breakdown our right back Jones. Again the either saw him as a weak link based on their scouting or their strong side. We defended and they couldn't beat us to high balls over the top, we were taller than them, they play their balls on the pitch and try to break the lines. They couldn't get through the lines as if was so congested so the tried to pull it back and have a shot but MP was brilliant.
I was surprised in the 2nd half that they didn't try anything different and then Eve hit them by bringing in fresher legs and changed the system again to hit them on the counterattack. It almost worked too but Moore lost his composure.
Then guys executed the game plan brilliantly and played with pride and heart.
Big up allyuh self fellas. Well done!

He took a huge risk mind you... it worked out with the grace of god..

It could have gone very wrong mind you.. everyone who knows football knew what he did, it was creative and very risky, I give eve that, he had the belly to do it and hes better than Fenwick by miles but it was still poor tactics

Defend defend defend is not the best football, if you watched the England match today, that's what happens to teams that defend and hold very little possession..

All we did was defend and yes there was 2 opportunities but we were lucky it wasnt 2 nil or 3 nil

So yeah I know football very well and what he did wasnt the best tactics and I dont support a move like that going forward

Contro, touche, I agree with you on this one. We could have lost 4-0 or 4-1. As with TF, he just got the bad luck of the draw. He tried that with US and we got trounced. TF started with this team and we saw all "his mistakes". Angus inherited a team that have had the experience of being on the back foot. It worked for him this time. Let's see what he has up his sleave for the next game. Good luck.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: Deeks on July 12, 2021, 09:47:54 AM
Mexican fans on social media real blaming the ref, bout they should’ve had 2 penalties. Oh and they’ll never get banned from the Gold Cup because they’re a cash cow for CONCACAF and they give the tournament ratings.
what goes around come full circle, maybe not right away but one things for sure the wheels of justice may turn slow but none the less it turns. in 2017 jovin jones scored a cracker at the national stadium and the jamaican assistant ref called it off side, no one made a meal of it and we eventually went on the lose the game 1-0, but we took it on the chin and moved on, and though i hurt at the time all we could have done was walk it or sleep it off. i for one walked from the stadium to ariputa ave sad and disappointed, now it's their turn so i suggest they do the same, hold a salvassa and sulk.
Yup don’t mind them, I remember that with Jones. They had numerous opportunities and couldn’t convert so it’s silly to blame the ref. As for the alleged racists chants, they claim the fans were chanting “puto” and it’s not racist.
The player who went off injured looked like he got hit in the eye, hope he’s doing alright.

I think FIFA wants The fans to stop using it altogether. It can have  several pejorative meanings. This from Urban Dictionary

The masculine form of the Spanish/ Portuguese word puta ("whore"/"slut"/"bitch"). " Puto " can apply to gay males in some places or simply to any male who is sexually loose (some males are sexually loose, some aren't; sexuality has little to do with it). " Puto " is used to imply weakness or cowardice in Spanish-speaking countries.



When I first heard the chant I thought they were saying "Burro"  donkey!
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: asylumseeker on July 12, 2021, 12:27:17 PM
Mexican fans on social media real blaming the ref, bout they should’ve had 2 penalties. Oh and they’ll never get banned from the Gold Cup because they’re a cash cow for CONCACAF and they give the tournament ratings.
what goes around come full circle, maybe not right away but one things for sure the wheels of justice may turn slow but none the less it turns. in 2017 jovin jones scored a cracker at the national stadium and the jamaican assistant ref called it off side, no one made a meal of it and we eventually went on the lose the game 1-0, but we took it on the chin and moved on, and though i hurt at the time all we could have done was walk it or sleep it off. i for one walked from the stadium to ariputa ave sad and disappointed, now it's their turn so i suggest they do the same, hold a salvassa and sulk.
Yup don’t mind them, I remember that with Jones. They had numerous opportunities and couldn’t convert so it’s silly to blame the ref. As for the alleged racists chants, they claim the fans were chanting “puto” and it’s not racist.
The player who went off injured looked like he got hit in the eye, hope he’s doing alright.

I think FIFA wants The fans to stop using it altogether. It can have  several pejorative meanings. This from Urban Dictionary

The masculine form of the Spanish/ Portuguese word puta ("whore"/"slut"/"bitch"). " Puto " can apply to gay males in some places or simply to any male who is sexually loose (some males are sexually loose, some aren't; sexuality has little to do with it). " Puto " is used to imply weakness or cowardice in Spanish-speaking countries.



When I first heard the chant I thought they were saying "Burro"  donkey!

Usually applied at goal kicks. Standard fare at Liga MX matches.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: gawd on pitch on July 12, 2021, 03:29:06 PM
Don't be surprised if we are awarded 3 points from the Mexico game. Heard some racial slurs and serious death threats were made to the boys during the game and after. FIFA and Concacaf will be taking action soon.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: Tallman on July 12, 2021, 06:12:26 PM
Goalless but Golden: Tactical T&T hold Mexico to draw in Gold Cup opener
By Roger Seepersad (T&T Express)


Trinidad and Tobago’s senior men’s football team head coach Angus Eve said he is proud of his players and excited by their 0-0 draw against CONCACAF football powerhouse and defending champions Mexico, in their opening match of the CONCACAF Gold Cup at the AT&T Stadium in Arlington, Texas, USA, on Saturday night.

However, T&T’s enthusiasm and excitement, after going toe-to-toe with “El Tricolor” and earning a point was somewhat marred by stoppages toward the end of the encounter due to homophobic chants from the crowd with Eve going so far to say that the game should have been stopped and the “Soca Warriors” awarded full points.

The match was temporarily halted by the referee in the 87th and 94th minutes, owing to homophobic chants from a mainly partisan Mexican crowd. Two matches featuring the Mexicans in last month’s CONCACAF Nations League tournament were also delayed for the same reason. “There is no room for that type of behaviour,” Eve fumed.

“I am very disappointed with the comments that were being made. I thought CONCACAF could have taken steps to call off the match, because it was persistent and it didn’t have any Trinidadians in there, so you know it wasn’t our fans behaving in that way and it even extended to threats and death threats and stuff,” adding of the incident, “It is very unfortunate and it has no place in the game I think the tournament organisers should really make an example in this case.”

In terms of the game itself, Eve said they did their homework on the Mexicans and prepared for them in terms of selecting “horses for courses” as was the case with Marvin Phillip starting in the match ahead of Nicklas Frenderup, who started in the previous qualifying matches. “We saw them play and the guys executed the game-plan to a T. I am very proud of what we did tonight and it only augers well going forward for us,” said Eve.

“I think we’ve refocussed the team. We basically have a lot of local players and a lot of unattached players in the squad tonight but the staff really came together and we analysed the game the Mexicans played against Nigeria and we came up with a game plan to counter what they were doing,” he explained.

“I thought they would have changed something in the second half, but they kept doing exactly what we thought they would have done, so we were pretty comfortable throughout the game and at the end we actually got one of the sucker punches that we thought we would have gotten with the kid up in the front, but he did not keep his composure,” he added.

Eve also noted that T&T had to be “physically technical” in the match, frustrating Mexico and trying to hit them on the counter. “I am really excited because we knew coming into the tournament that we would have to meet Mexico at some stage, so we prepared for that. People say I played eight defenders (but) I played 11 footballers.

“We had eight players on the pitch who were locally-based and haven’t played a game for a year-and-a-half and I knew our legs were not as good as most teams, so we have to be physically technical in cutting down the amount of times the players had to run, keeping the lines very compact and we thought we stifled the Mexicans from playing their natural game and we tried to hit them with a sucker punch on the break with Reon Moore,” Eve pointed out.

“Mexico has a lot of players playing in the top leagues so what we decided to do was we picked more defenders in the squad with Mexico in mind, because we thought we would have reached the group stage. We picked a squad that we knew could be flexible to play different types of systems if need be,” he explained.

In terms of the choice of Phillip to start the game, Eve said: “I have full faith in all of the guys and Marvin (Phillip) is no different. It is a case of what we call horses for courses and we thought Marvin was best suited for this game. It is about the tactical structure of the team in going forward at the time what type of game that we are playing,”

“Credit to the guys and the staff. The overall attitude of the team is fantastic and we are trying to keep the players’ feet on the ground right now. This is only my third game at the international level and I am learning. It is a learning process for all of us and we just have to take it one game at a time,” Eve concluded.

T&T have a couple days to plan before tackling El Salvador at the Toyota Stadium in Frisco, Texas, on Wednesday while Mexico’s next opponents will be Guatemala on the same day at the Cotton Bowl in Dallas.
Title: Eve: Soca Warriors should have been awarded win after discriminatory comments
Post by: Tallman on July 12, 2021, 06:14:45 PM
Eve: Soca Warriors should have been awarded win after discriminatory comments
By Jelani Beckles (T&T Newsday)


INTERIM head coach of the national men’s senior football team Angus Eve felt that T&T should have been awarded the Concacaf Gold Cup match against Mexico at the AT&T Stadium on Saturday after fans howled discriminatory comments.

The officials were forced to stop the contest three times during the match held in Dallas, Texas. The crowd, filled with Mexican fans, grew more hostile in the second half.

T&T pulled off an unlikely 0-0 draw.

Eve, asked if the match should have been stopped and T&T awarded the match because of homophobic chants, said, “I think after the first one maybe not, but it was three occasions…probably yes (it should have been stopped) because we need to stamp these kind of behaviours out of sport. I thought after the third time he had to stop the match I think that we should have gotten the game.”

Speaking more about the crowd’s actions, Eve said, “I think they were supporting their team, (but) probably they went a bit far.”

Eve, who said he would like to see T&T fans supporting with passion, believes it is possible that only a small percentage of supporters spoiled it for everyone.

“I don’t want to cast any aspersions on the crowd. They were here to support and it is not probably everybody who did it. Some people probably got a bit carried away.

“We wanted to take the crowd out of the game because this is like a home game for Mexico. We probably had five people in the stands…I don’t want to cast aspersions on everyone out there, but it is unfortunate when some people bring the game into disrepute.”
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: asylumseeker on July 12, 2021, 06:17:53 PM
CONCACAF should also review the comments made by Funes Mori to the Mexican media. He made comments about the referee that mirror what Messi was sanctioned for by CONMEBOL. If Messi could be sanctioned, who de arse is Funes Mori?


Quote
Messi:

Creo que nosotros no tenemos que ser parte de esta corrupción, de la falta de respeto que se nos hizo durante toda esta Copa".

...
Se cansaron de cobrar boludeces durante toda la Copa América y hoy no le cobraron un penal a Otamendi. Es para analizarlo. Ojalá que la Conmebol haga algo, porque nosotros hicimos un sacrificio enorme. Igualmente, no creo que haga nada porque maneja todo Brasil.

... Lamentablemente la corrupción, los árbitros y todo eso no permiten que la gente disfrute del show. Por lo que dije capaz que me pasó factura y (el juez) fue mandado. No hay duda: lamentablemente, esta Copa está armada para Brasil.


Quote
Funes Mori:

El árbitro fue el que desesperó a la gente. Hay jugadas especificas que no marcó bien y eso en el ojo de la gente la desesperó y vinieron esas manifestaciones.

Genera que la gente haga ese grito. Todo eso lo generó el árbitro. Hay jugadas específicas que no marcó bien, eso ocasionó el enojo de la gente.

Era un penalti más grande que una casa. A veces los árbitros no están capacitados para estos partidos.

Son ellos los que generan el enojo de la gente. Esperamos que por favor puedan hacer algo para que pongan árbitros que sí estén capacitados.

That's a composite of their respective statements. It's not necessarily the order in which they said what they said ... just what they said in some order that I've cut and pasted hastily.
Can't be bothered to translate the comments, but you can do so if motivated.

The point is both maligned the officiating and so far Funes Mori has NOT attracted the attention of CONCACAF.

And if CONCACAF wants to demonstrate its worth and integrity and consistency it should address this ... and the NC/TTFA should render comment (won't hold my breath!).

Also, the Mexican federation's call to CONCACAF to protect its players is laced in stereotype and the FMF's not so latent desire to transition to CONMEBOL. On top of that, the stereotype (Caribbean players does break up ppl) is being disguised via insisting that the referee was in error.

Not done yet: this takes me back to JJ's goal ruled offside during WC qualification versus Mexico. Our federation said nothing. The Mexican federation had the tables been reversed would have been vigorously back channeling that conversation. Prestige in CONCACAF does not come merely through what occurs on the field of play but also by how difficult conversations are managed.

I could say more but will leave that there.
Title: FIFA, Concacaf to act on death threats, racism to T&T players
Post by: Tallman on July 12, 2021, 06:35:30 PM
FIFA, Concacaf to act on death threats, racism to T&T players
By Walter Alibey (T&T Guardian)


Football's world governing body FIFA and the Confederation of North, Central America and the Caribbean Association Football (CONCACAF), are set to deal with issues of death threats, racism and attempts to physically harm directed to members of the T&T football team at the ongoing CONCACAF Gold Cup in the United States.

Angry Mexican fans hurled racial slurs and threw bottles at the T&T players during a Group A encounter between T&T and Mexico at the AT&T Stadium in Arlington, Texas, USA on Saturday. This situation was further exacerbated by a clash between Mexican winger Hirving 'Chucky' Lozano, goalkeeper Marvin Phillip and defender Alvin Jones at the end of the first half which resulted in Lozano being rushed to the hospital with a suspected injury to the head.

The game ended in a goalless draw as coach Angus Eve employed a counter-attacking strategy that, not only frustrated the tournament's defending champions, but prevented them from scoring.

Eve, yesterday confirmed to Guardian Media Sports that because of death threats to him and his players- Phillip and Jones, there has been heightened police presence at the hotel where the team is currently based.

The T&T Football Association has since reacted to this development by writing to both FIFA and the CONCACAF and has since received a promise that something will be done about it soon, the coach said.

Eve, a former national player, did not have this experience during his five years of playing for T&T at the Gold Cup, and in reliving the horrifying experience said they were outnumbered in terms of support at the stadium. However, the Mexican fans became very angry when their team could not score, so they started chanting racial slurs, throwing bottles at the players on the touchline and even shouted death threats.

"I must admit that I felt a bit bad for my players, and though there would normally be a police presence at our hotel, there was a heightened presence because of the death threats," Eve explained.

Eve in the post-match interview said the match was stopped three times because of the crowd's behaviour, noting: "At the third time I felt the referee should have stopped the match and awarded it to us because we have to stamp out this type of behaviour in the game."

To date, the T&TFA football page has been littered with threats and abuse from Mexican fans, with many also directed to Jones and Phillip. Phillip has since apologised to Lozano, saying there was definitely no intention to cause harm and later wished the Mexican player a speedy recovery.

On Sunday, Guardian Media Sports got a glimpse of some of the things that were said on the TTFA football page. Among the comments were: " Y'all some of the nastiest people I've ever seen play soccer. Y'all just go against Mexico to try and injure them. We're starting a petition to lick y'all out of the Gold Cup. Y'all aren't worth it"; "y'all some hoes for what cha did to Chucky Lozano"; "You will pay for Chucky Lozano you monkeys,".

On Monday, the president of the T&T Olympic Committee Brian Lewis, said he was angry when he heard about it initially.

Lewis who is also chairman of the Sport Integrity Global Alliance as well as the Gender Race-Inclusion and Diversity Standing Committee said: "What I was told it was trolling, but obviously it was racist, outright racism, the term used, the 'N' word, monkeys.

We can't hide from it, the fact that it is something that I have raised on more than one occasion, about the issue of racism in global sport. In April the T&TOC joined a boycott of social media for a weekend in protest of racism, racial activities taking place on social media. So I was initially angry because even though you're aware of it when it happens in an open way, it is triggering."

Meanwhile, a news release from the TTFA on Monday states: "The Trinidad and Tobago Football Association strongly condemns the discriminatory actions, racist comments and threatening messages directed at our players, staff, supporters and country following the Senior Men's National Team 0-0 result versus Mexico on 10th July 2021. Discrimination and racism have no part in our game and our society. Official reports have been lodged with CONCACAF and we are working with them to ensure that the safety and wellbeing of the team is maintained. These actions are rooted in division, so it is paramount that we unite to stamp them out. The Fight Back is Against Racism and Discrimination."
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: gawd on pitch on July 12, 2021, 07:32:02 PM
Other than giving Mexico a loss, what other penalties can Mexico face? From what I understand taking away points is definitely an available option.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: gawd on pitch on July 13, 2021, 09:59:14 AM
CONCACAF should also review the comments made by Funes Mori to the Mexican media. He made comments about the referee that mirror what Messi was sanctioned for by CONMEBOL. If Messi could be sanctioned, who de arse is Funes Mori?


Quote
Messi:

Creo que nosotros no tenemos que ser parte de esta corrupción, de la falta de respeto que se nos hizo durante toda esta Copa".

...
Se cansaron de cobrar boludeces durante toda la Copa América y hoy no le cobraron un penal a Otamendi. Es para analizarlo. Ojalá que la Conmebol haga algo, porque nosotros hicimos un sacrificio enorme. Igualmente, no creo que haga nada porque maneja todo Brasil.

... Lamentablemente la corrupción, los árbitros y todo eso no permiten que la gente disfrute del show. Por lo que dije capaz que me pasó factura y (el juez) fue mandado. No hay duda: lamentablemente, esta Copa está armada para Brasil.


Quote
Funes Mori:

El árbitro fue el que desesperó a la gente. Hay jugadas especificas que no marcó bien y eso en el ojo de la gente la desesperó y vinieron esas manifestaciones.

Genera que la gente haga ese grito. Todo eso lo generó el árbitro. Hay jugadas específicas que no marcó bien, eso ocasionó el enojo de la gente.

Era un penalti más grande que una casa. A veces los árbitros no están capacitados para estos partidos.

Son ellos los que generan el enojo de la gente. Esperamos que por favor puedan hacer algo para que pongan árbitros que sí estén capacitados.

That's a composite of their respective statements. It's not necessarily the order in which they said what they said ... just what they said in some order that I've cut and pasted hastily.
Can't be bothered to translate the comments, but you can do so if motivated.

The point is both maligned the officiating and so far Funes Mori has NOT attracted the attention of CONCACAF.

And if CONCACAF wants to demonstrate its worth and integrity and consistency it should address this ... and the NC/TTFA should render comment (won't hold my breath!).

Also, the Mexican federation's call to CONCACAF to protect its players is laced in stereotype and the FMF's not so latent desire to transition to CONMEBOL. On top of that, the stereotype (Caribbean players does break up ppl) is being disguised via insisting that the referee was in error.

Not done yet: this takes me back to JJ's goal ruled offside during WC qualification versus Mexico. Our federation said nothing. The Mexican federation had the tables been reversed would have been vigorously back channeling that conversation. Prestige in CONCACAF does not come merely through what occurs on the field of play but also by how difficult conversations are managed.

I could say more but will leave that there.

They say Eve trying to get TT into the next round by a technicality. From what I've been reading, Mexico has been disciplined many times. And recently they were penalized by FIFA through fines and to will have to play 2 games without spectators. So the only other penalty they can face now is a direct deduction of points. As the other penalties did not address the problem. Don't be surprised if we are given 3 points
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: Flex on July 13, 2021, 12:22:48 PM
CONCACAF will allow Mexico fans at next match despite anti-gay chant
ESPN.


CONCACAF is "extremely disappointed" but has confirmed fans can attend Mexico's next Gold Cup match against Guatemala despite earlier reports saying the game could have been played behind closed doors due to the reoccurrence of an anti-gay chant from El Tri supporters.

Mexico's scoreless draw against Trinidad and Tobago on Saturday at AT&T Stadium in Arlington, Texas, was marred by repeated use of the chant, forcing the referee to temporarily halt play in the 87th and 94th minutes.

The chant is often heard at Mexico games when an opposing goalkeeper runs up to take a goal kick.

"CONCACAF is extremely disappointed at the discriminatory language chanted by some Mexico fans during their Gold Cup match against Trinidad and Tobago at AT&T Stadium on Saturday, July 10," the federation said in a statement.

"The 'goalkeeper chant' was heard despite a significant CONCACAF anti-discrimination campaign delivered in recent weeks and extensive efforts by [Mexico's soccer federation] to make clear that it is unacceptable."

CONCACAF also called reports that fans would be barred from Wednesday's game between Mexico and Guatemala at the Cotton Bowl in Dallas "a misunderstanding."

"Despite some reports to the contrary, this match will go ahead as scheduled with fans in attendance. CONCACAF will continue to operate its What's Wrong Is Wrong antidiscrimination campaign and, should it be necessary, will activate protocols which include ejecting fans if they engage in discriminatory behavior and suspending the match," the statement read.

Mexico's soccer federation (FMF) also released a statement condemning the behavior.

"We strongly reject any discriminatory act or conduct and we are calling on all those involved to stop these types of manifestations on and off the field," the statement said.c

FMF president Yon de Luisa had admitted the possibility of Wednesday's game having no fans earlier on Monday.

The chant has been heard at recent games involving Mexico's teams, including at matches vs. the Dominican Republic and the United States during the CONCACAF men's pre-Olympic qualifying tournament in March, which yielded a punishment from FIFA playing its next two official home games behind closed doors.

It is expected that the senior men's national team would serve that punishment in its first two games of World Cup qualifying in September and October. However, FIFA did not specifically state which of Mexico's national teams would do so, opening the door for the senior women's side being forced to serve part of the punishment.

The anti-gay chant in question has been an ongoing issue for the FMF for nearly two decades. Following an initial investigation from FIFA at the 2014 World Cup in Brazil, Mexico has been fined 15 times since 2015 for behavior from fans in the stands. An update to FIFA's Disciplinary Code allowed FIFA to levy bigger penalties for repeat offenders, culminating in a potential ban from competitions including the World Cup.

Efforts have been made by the FMF to curb the chant, including a mass media campaign and PSA videos at stadiums before and during national team matches.

Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: ZANDOLIE on July 13, 2021, 08:53:27 PM
CONCACAF will allow Mexico fans at next match despite anti-gay chant
ESPN.


CONCACAF is "extremely disappointed" but has confirmed fans can attend Mexico's next Gold Cup match against Guatemala despite earlier reports saying the game could have been played behind closed doors due to the reoccurrence of an anti-gay chant from El Tri supporters.

Mexico's scoreless draw against Trinidad and Tobago on Saturday at AT&T Stadium in Arlington, Texas, was marred by repeated use of the chant, forcing the referee to temporarily halt play in the 87th and 94th minutes.

The chant is often heard at Mexico games when an opposing goalkeeper runs up to take a goal kick.

"CONCACAF is extremely disappointed at the discriminatory language chanted by some Mexico fans during their Gold Cup match against Trinidad and Tobago at AT&T Stadium on Saturday, July 10," the federation said in a statement.

"The 'goalkeeper chant' was heard despite a significant CONCACAF anti-discrimination campaign delivered in recent weeks and extensive efforts by [Mexico's soccer federation] to make clear that it is unacceptable."

CONCACAF also called reports that fans would be barred from Wednesday's game between Mexico and Guatemala at the Cotton Bowl in Dallas "a misunderstanding."

"Despite some reports to the contrary, this match will go ahead as scheduled with fans in attendance. CONCACAF will continue to operate its What's Wrong Is Wrong antidiscrimination campaign and, should it be necessary, will activate protocols which include ejecting fans if they engage in discriminatory behavior and suspending the match," the statement read.


It is expected that the senior men's national team would serve that punishment in its first two games of World Cup qualifying in September and October. However, FIFA did not specifically state which of Mexico's national teams would do so, opening the door for the senior women's side being forced to serve part of the punishment.

The anti-gay chant in question has been an ongoing issue for the FMF for nearly two decades. Following an initial investigation from FIFA at the 2014 World Cup in Brazil, Mexico has been fined 15 times since 2015 for behavior from fans in the stands. An update to FIFA's Disciplinary Code allowed FIFA to levy bigger penalties for repeat offenders, culminating in a potential ban from competitions including the World Cup.


Am I drunk or did I just read Mexico's women's team could penalized for the behaviours surrounding the men's games? This can't be official FIFA policy?

The more they allow these degenerates to brush off their 'warnings' the more entitled and emboldened they will become. CONCACAF has to take decisive corrective action before things spiral out of control and a player or official is hurt or worse. Or risk revealing to the world what a spineless hypocritical organization they are.



Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: Controversial on July 14, 2021, 12:59:36 AM
So he decided to park the bus in advance
He play Phillips and mostly defenders and was going for a draw?

We couldn't string together 7 to 10 passes and couldn't dribble out the back but it was pure boom kick and clearing from the back.. we were lucky we were not down 2 or 3 nil tbh

That is not a masterclass, thats cowardly.. purposely playing for a Draw with Mexico is not what I call good football... its like he already did not have confidence to win which sounds like classic eve weak mentality

There was nothing to enjoy about that match where tt was constantly on the back foot from the beginning.. the midfield was non existent

Lemme guess, draw with Mexico and go for wins against the other teams?

Eve just lost my vote of confidence with that BS he pull, I don't care if we drew with Mexico it was bad tactics
 
Teams play to win tournaments. Points are awarded as follows: Win - 3 points, Draw -1 point. Losses - 0 points. (I am sure you now that)
I don't know you but if you are upset because Eve played to get a point in a game where he was overmatched in quality, talent, and experience, then either you are a mad man, you must think this was a fete match, or you have some personal motive to be a critic of Angus Eve.

Are you telling me that Eve should have played an open game with a traditional 442 or 433 line up and get a 5-0 drubbing?
The result is all that matters, not foolish bravado. Live to fight another day, not how you get there.

442 if used well and executed well can be a very defensive formation tbh.. Even having one drop back behind the target man can also work..

I have absolutely nothing personal against Eve, his tactical decisions is what I'm criticizing... now keep in mind ill give it to him we were under staffed and missing some key players but we also almost paid big time for his unorthodox approach..

It could have easily been two goals to nil for us.. Mexico 🇲🇽 had so many opportunities... I don't think we would have got 5 with the 442, it depends who's the holding mid for example... His non selection of Poon would have fixed that 442 formation for example if he had been selected..

I'm happy we got lucky but do I like what I saw, do I promote that type of football, NO I don't, its not something I support..


Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: asylumseeker on July 14, 2021, 04:18:47 AM
Just now catching up on the range of Mexican commentary regarding the match.  Among the comments: Jared Borgetti criticized Eve for playing antiquated football. Said it is high time, we raise our tactical sophistication.

On a separate note, he also criticized Tata for insisting on playing inverted wingers against an anchored Back 5 and block of 5+.

Borgetti is an advocate of Chicharito and although he acknowledged that Funes Mori did not have a poor match, he implied that Chicharito could have offered more. On the cobtrary, the program host described Chicharito as a cancer to the locker room.

Another commentator (Chelis) flat out stated that if this is what RFM offered then Mexico would be better off bringing in a '9' in development to offer him experience at this level of competition. Tata is open to commentary along this line because he and RFM are both Argentines. Hugo Sanchez typically attacks foreign coaches. Doesn't need any motivating. He was eager to do so in the aftermath.

When pressed Sanchez said he would have deployed 2 Fs with an emphasis on accompanying crosses and incorporating the flank defenders into the attack. However, a separate commentator had previously noted that crosses were not effective because they were a lottery given the defensive posture set by Eve and the evidence of how they were handled. Implicitly, Sanchez was thinking about second ball situations.

On the racism issue: yesterday I viewed a live stream that took place during the match. A stream hosted in Panama from what I gather. Those following the stream were representative of all Central American countries + Mexico. One of the hosts is of African descent.

Someone actually messaged into the stream making a racist comment about our team that they somehow thought the Panamanian man would ignore. He locked that down with a quickness and effectively. But it was interesting to see that the dumbass who sent the comment didn't get that he couldn't refer to T&T players in the manner he did without also implicitly offending the host.

Last comment: we have been competing in CONCACAF for decades but there's is still so much we don't understand about our opponents.

Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: asylumseeker on July 14, 2021, 05:45:35 AM
I would like to really hear Seekers analysis on this tbh

I understand why you've asserted the position you have. However, it is hard to condemn the loss of two points (theirs).

I understand the reasoning of the choice. Coaches have to be pragmatic and at this stage of Angus' career and ambitions and his task, he reasoned that this choice would be the preferred path. Of course, there are howevers. None matter to the bottom line.

That stated :) ...

However, I was critical of nuanced things I observed as the match progressed during the first half but was pleased that these concerns were mostly addressed as the match unfolded. None proved to be fatal but could have been as these things go.

There was courage and conviction in the coach's decision. There wasn't a lot of time to prepare for the match and the solution he opted for - as painful as it dented your pride - still required a fair amount of preparation and reinforcement.

We played 14 extra minutes of football and it still worked out. Accept it for what it was: result-oriented.



Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: Flex on July 14, 2021, 06:52:36 AM
Clayton Morris impressed by T&T’s showing against Mexico.
By Joel Bailey (T&T Newsday).


FORMER STRIKE Squad captain Clayton Morris is impressed by the showing from the national men’s football team against Mexico on Saturday.

Both teams played to a goalless draw in the opening match of the 2021 Concacaf Gold Cup, at the AT&T Stadium, Arlington, Texas, United States.

In a voice message issued on Sunday, Morris said, “It was timely, good and excellent. Timely in the sense that our people in Trinidad and Tobago, due to the covid19 pandemic, have been trapped in our homes. Most of us sports lovers, it gives us the opportunity to look forward to seeing our country, more so in a month of Olympics, where we can support our own team.”

Morris, who is currently the president of the T&T Super League, is looking forward to Wednesday’s Group A match against El Salvador, from 7.30 pm (T&T time), at Toyota Stadium, Frisco, Texas.

“It’s left for us now to put the three aspects of the game, the two parts from the Montserrat game – the creativity in converting six (chances) along with the defensive discipline that we saw (against Mexico).

“Going forward to the next game on Wednesday, this will give us an entire package of how football is supposed to be played,” he added. “Congratulations to Angus Eve and his staff, and I want to wish the team all the best in the two (forthcoming) games.”

Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: asylumseeker on July 14, 2021, 08:19:39 AM
Notably no comment about the FG match by Clayton Morris.

On a hypothetical level, it would have been interesting to see how FG would have decided to play Mexico. I suspect they would have found a balance between entertaining and practical.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: asylumseeker on July 16, 2021, 06:28:40 AM
Just now catching up on the range of Mexican commentary regarding the match.  Among the comments: Jared Borgetti criticized Eve for playing antiquated football. Said it is high time, we raise our tactical sophistication.

On a separate note, he also criticized Tata for insisting on playing inverted wingers against an anchored Back 5 and block of 5+.

Borgetti is an advocate of Chicharito and although he acknowledged that Funes Mori did not have a poor match, he implied that Chicharito could have offered more. On the contrary, the program host described Chicharito as a cancer to the locker room.

Another commentator (Chelis) flat out stated that if this is what RFM offered then Mexico would be better off bringing in a '9' in development to offer him experience at this level of competition. Tata is open to commentary along this line because he and RFM are both Argentines. Hugo Sanchez typically attacks foreign coaches. Doesn't need any motivating. He was eager to do so in the aftermath.

When pressed Sanchez said he would have deployed 2 Fs with an emphasis on accompanying crosses and incorporating the flank defenders into the attack. However, a separate commentator had previously noted that crosses were not effective because they were a lottery given the defensive posture set by Eve and the evidence of how they were handled. Implicitly, Sanchez was thinking about second ball situations.

On the racism issue: yesterday I viewed a live stream that took place during the match. A stream hosted in Panama from what I gather. Those following the stream were representative of all Central American countries + Mexico. One of the hosts is of African descent.

Someone actually messaged into the stream making a racist comment about our team that they somehow thought the Panamanian man would ignore. He locked that down with a quickness and effectively. But it was interesting to see that the dumbass who sent the comment didn't get that he couldn't refer to T&T players in the manner he did without also implicitly offending the host.

Last comment: we have been competing in CONCACAF for decades but there's is still so much we don't understand about our opponents.

The Chicharito/Funes Mori issue will go away gradually once Raul Jimenez is properly back to action. The public may have issues with RFM but once he scores some won't care enough. The good money is on RFM and Jimenez. If someone breaks through during the coming season, which kicks off in a few days, more power to him.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: asylumseeker on July 31, 2021, 07:44:06 AM
How come Lainez not in Mexico squad? Ok he in the Olympic squad.
Good ting for us, he look a terror to mark.

Was discussing this yesterday.  Mexico is out to win the Gold Cup AND to bring home the gold medal. Yuh would think Lainez would make the squad, but it was not to be.

He is two handfuls and he will have many days ahead of bringing the pain to regional football.

Betis is hoping to make some coin from putting him on the market before the new season, otherwise they would not have indulged the Olympics.

The GC team has one Cruz Azul player (Pineda). In TT ppl would be bawling so and so won the title, how come only one. Look at the Olympic team and a few more appear. Also only one Santos Laguna player. Generally, you get an insight into the league and NT strength when you see who is in and the limited # by club.

On track with the 6-3 "destruction" of South Korea. Lainez had a mazy assist on #6. He didn't start today or versus South Africa. Couple of his Betis teammates called on Lozano to put him in (via tweet). Sort of a response to the hundreds of Mexicans who were pissed he didn't start upon arrival at Betis.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: Flex on August 24, 2021, 02:13:51 PM
‘Blatant disrespect!’ Players lift lid on G/Cup feud, which almost saw T&T withdraw before Mexico game
By Lasana Liburd (Wired868).


The Trinidad and Tobago Men’s National Senior Team came within a whisker of elimination from the 2021 Concacaf Gold Cup tournament before the competition even started in earnest.

But the wily opponent that nearly chopped down the Soca Warriors, according to the players themselves, was not French Guiana or Montserrat or even Mexico. It was the Fifa-appointed normalisation committee, which now has total control over the business of the Trinidad and Tobago Football Association (TTFA).

The Warriors were less than 24 hours away from kick-off against Mexico at Arlington, Texas—the curtain-raiser for the entire tournament—when normalisation committee member Nigel Romano, according to a national player who spoke on condition of anonymity, set them an ultimatum.

“I have a budget in front of me [for match fees],” said Romano, according to the footballer, “and if the players are not going to accept it, then I have no problem booking the tickets for you all to come home.”

Romano, a banker and chartered accountant, is the chairman of National Flour Mills (NFM) and Nipdec, as well as a director at the Ansa Merchant Bank. At his side in the meeting with the Soca Warriors was normalisation committee chairman Robert Hadad, who is co-CEO of the HadCo Group of Companies, whose portfolio includes Haagen-Dazs, Nova Lighting, Caribbean LED Lighting, Creamery Novelties, and Peppercorns.

They were accompanied by acting TTFA general secretary Amiel Mohammed. (The other normalisation committee members, Judy Daniel and Trevor Nicholas Gomez, did not attend.)

At the other end of the virtual table for the salary negotiations was national team captain Khaleem Hyland, star midfielder Kevin Molino, and veteran goalkeeper Marvin Phillip. The players had no legal counsel whatsoever.

None of the Warriors in the meeting continued their formal education beyond fifth form—Hyland and Molino attended what was then Mucurapo Senior Comprehensive, while Phillip is a former Princes Town Senior Comprehensive student.

If it were a boxing match rather than a salary dispute, Hadad and Romano would have been denied a sanction to challenge the players directly since they were clearly in different weight classes.

And if the balance of power was not lopsided enough already, the normalisation committee kept repeating a move that put additional pressure on the players. Rather than negotiate match fees and bonuses well in advance—so as to afford players adequate time to debate among themselves and even seek external guidance—the Hadad-led group kept waiting until the very last minute to begin formal discussions.

The players, according to one insider, asked the normalisation committee to hammer out match fees and bonuses for the Gold Cup tournament from as far back as March 2021, when they finally agreed on fees for the Qatar 2022 World Cup series.

They claimed that Hadad and company refused.

“Let’s do one thing at a time,” was the supposed response from the normalisation committee.

So, Hadad waited until the Soca Warriors had already started their pre-tournament training camp in Miami before he started talks over remuneration on 1 July.

By that time, the players had already given their commitments to play in the Gold Cup to interim head coach Angus Eve as well as their respective clubs, who had released them for the tournament. They might be further swayed by the camaraderie of the camp setting or the proximity of the event.

It is uncertain whether Hadad and Romano scheduled the talks so as to intentionally give themselves an advantage over the players. The normalisation committee chairman was not forthcoming when Wired868 approached him for answers.

“We asked for that discussion on Gold Cup fees earlier and we didn’t get it until we left Trinidad,” said the player. “So we were out there preparing and a day before the first game, we came to an agreement for just the qualifying rounds. And they said if we qualified, we will discuss fees for the group stage right after.

“Then we asked again about the group stage as soon as we beat French Guiana, but they waited until the day before the [Mexico] game to try to decide that.”

Trinidad and Tobago defeated Montserrat 6-1 and edged French Guiana 8-7 on kicks from the penalty mark after a 1-1 score at the end of regulation time.

The normalisation committee members waited until midday on 9 July—the eve of the Gold Cup opener against Mexico—before they started those talks. And it was 2am on 10 July when Phillip and Molino finally came to an agreement with the local football body.

The players had not budged.

“I don’t understand why you’re being so disrespectful,” Phillip allegedly told Romano. “We don’t have to go down that road.”

Molino supposedly supported his teammate.

“If we’re trying to reach out to you all and you don’t respect us then okay,” said Molino. “But I am not playing for this.”

Romano apologised for his ultimatum and had excused himself from the meeting by the time that Hadad and Mohammed reached an agreement with the players. Was it all a negotiating ploy by the normalisation committee? And at whose expense?

The players, according to the source, felt frustrated and disrespected. And, presumably, interim head coach Angus Eve would have preferred his starting goalkeeper to be in bed getting a good night’s rest before they took on Mexico.

Eve may have his own problems, as his title ‘interim’ would suggest. The coach and his staff still have not been paid for their Gold Cup duties, although they have not complained to the Unified Football Coaches of Trinidad and Tobago (UFCTT).

Maybe Eve and his contingent are waiting to see if they are hired full-time first.

The Club Sando FC and Naparima College head coach received a contract to lead the Warriors up until 31 August 2021, with the normalisation committee vowing to put the position of head coach up for tender. Eve has been invited to apply.

However, the normalisation committee is yet to start the application process for the soon-to-be-vacant position.

Hadad and his gang turned down invitations to play at the Boys and Girls Caribbean Football Union (CFU) Under-15 Challenge Series this month. So, when Eve’s contract expires, there will be only one active national team in the country: the Women’s Senior National Team, led by Welsh coach James Thomas.

The irony is that TTFA members said they turned their backs on former president William Wallace so that ‘young players could play football’ under the Fifa normalisation committee. Now, they are largely silent as the players complain of being bullied, disrespected or yanked out of competitions.

“Every time we ask what is going on, we hear that Khaleem [Hyland] has called Hadad and Marvin [Phillip] has called Amiel [Mohammed],” said one player, “and neither of them are answering or returning calls or messages. It is just total disrespect.”

Before the start of the World Cup qualifying campaign, the national players agreed to wait 60 days before payment of match fees. It was an unprecedented concession by the Soca Warriors.

A decade ago, the TTFA routinely paid players within a week of international duty. Before that, Soca Warriors got their remuneration before they broke camp to return home. And, in the previous generation, the likes of national captain David Nakhid got his match fee upfront before he had even put his boots on.

However, even with an extraordinary time-lapse between game and payment, the normalisation committee still paid late for the first round of World Cup qualifiers. And this was despite the fact that Concacaf confirmed two Fifa payments to the TTFA of US$800,000 (TT$5.4 mil) each in January and July.

Before the Gold Cup, the Warriors requested a change in their payment schedule. They wanted to receive match fees within 30 days of the game, and they wanted penalties of 10 per cent for every week that the normalisation committee was late.

“We were trying to be reasonable and they were not fulfilling their side of the agreement,” said the player, who explained the proposed amendment from the Soca Warriors.

The response from the normalisation committee to the suggestion for a penalty for late payment was allegedly unequivocal.

“Amiel said they are not accepting that,” said the anonymous Soca Warrior.

So, the normalisation committee members agreed to pay players within half of the previously agreed time, with no sanction if they fail to keep their word.

And then they promptly broke that promise too.

The Trinidad and Tobago players are still owed fees for World Cup qualifiers against The Bahamas and St Kitts and Nevis on 5 and 8 June respectively, as well as for Gold Cup fixtures against French Guiana (6 July), Mexico (10 July), El Salvador (14 July) and Guatemala (18 July).

The total owed, according to the players, is between US$6,000 (TT$41,000) to US$11,000 (TT$75,000) each. It is a debt felt particularly keenly by the local-based footballers, who are unable to work due to Covid-19 restrictions which outlaw domestic sporting competition.

The players successfully negotiated to have fees for one Gold Cup match, the Montserrat outing, paid while they were still in the United States. Otherwise the players, who received an allowance of roughly US$25 (TT$170) a day, would have been unable to look after themselves properly at the Gold Cup. But it was not enough to address their misgivings about the local administrators.

As the Soca Warriors prepared to leave their hotel to face Mexico, they delayed their departure to receive and sign a contract from the normalisation committee for Gold Cup group stage match fees. It felt significant at the time, but not now.

“Their promises don’t seem to be worth the paper they are written on,” the player said.

The Warriors, of course, went on to hold Mexico goalless in a momentous affair that ended with players harassed by racist abuse and death threats. Trinidad and Tobago failed to advance to the knockout rounds, though, after a loss to El Salvador and another draw with Guatemala.

Most observers suggested that it was an improvement on their disastrous World Cup qualifying adventure under coach Terry Fenwick, when draws to Puerto Rico and The Bahamas meant they finished behind St Kitts and Nevis and were eliminated.

“The mood for the Gold Cup was a drastic change,” said the national player, with a laugh. “We have a coach who is willing to hear the players and work with them. Under the last regime, the players were not comfortable at all and you can see the results of that.

“Fenwick didn’t listen to anyone, period. He always wanted things his way.”

But improved performances, the players complain, changed little for them. At the Gold Cup, they had to put aside racist abuse, chaotic preparations, and a string of injuries—Hyland, Judah Garcia, Triston Hodge all suffered muscle injuries, Aubrey David needed eight stitches after being kicked in the face against Montserrat, and Neveal Hackshaw was diagnosed with ‘walking pneumonia’ before kick-off against Guatemala—to perform.

If Hadad, Daniel, Romano, Gomez and Mohammed appreciate the players’ efforts, they have a funny way of showing it.

“Good results or bad results, the treatment we receive is the same,” said another player, who also spoke on condition of anonymity.

The misgivings run deep as the players accuse Hadad, Daniel and Romano of collectively breaking several promises, including a supposed vow to pay stipends for training sessions.

“We feel we are just being blatantly disrespected,” said the first player. “We don’t seem to get any kind of support or respect from them. They say one thing in the media but something very different happens when they have to deal with us.

“We have a contract agreement but then they totally disregard it. After this, there is only one other decision we can take.”

At present, the normalisation committee has not confirmed any friendly matches or camps for the Men’s National Senior Team, which does not go into competitive action until the Concacaf Nations League next May.

Hadad has not so far indicated when a full-time head coach will be appointed or when the players and possibly outgoing technical staff members will be paid.

Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: soccerman on August 24, 2021, 06:06:45 PM
Always some bacchanal between the leadership and players, every tournament is the same story. I wonder why the players and staff can't get paid from the funds we received from playing in the GC?
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: asylumseeker on August 24, 2021, 06:15:50 PM
Always some bacchanal between the leadership and players, every tournament is the same story. I wonder why the players and staff can't get paid from the funds we received from playing in the GC?

Yuh would think this would be THE tournament that the NC would be most motivated to avoid negativity.  ::)
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: Deeks on August 25, 2021, 03:58:42 PM
If all this is true, then all those who does blast local players and foreigner-born(who hedge their bets on TT) see why our football is in constant flux. Can't believe this shit happening. Look to hell with the NC.
Title: Re: Thread for T&T vs Mexico (10-Jul-2021)
Post by: asylumseeker on January 18, 2022, 05:31:09 AM
Mexico has come up with a way of dodging the bullet/sanction of not having fans in the stands. Advantage Mexico. Needless to say, this is stirring up a range of dissatisfaction among Panamanians.