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Sports => Football => Topic started by: Disgruntled_Trini on November 20, 2005, 10:12:40 PM
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anybody think we should send them fellas on ah lil English Speaking course before the world cup
I listening to Theobald interview tonight and the man using words like "Onliest" amongst others
now how it go look them fellas reach Germany and ah man push ah camera infront he or some next warrior face and them kind ah words coming out
Scott Sealy could speak though
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hahahahaha we go be de onliest team dat does talk so
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last time i remember ronaldo and dem speakin, dey wasnt a scholar in no way shape or form, im not sayin we have 2 b like dem, but we not dat bad, theobald need tuh keep it simple ;D
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not only the football team need speaking lessons....the track team need too
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maybe ah go have to hold ah litlle class fuh dem boys dem..ah did ah good job with bahsimplybetter
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last time i remember ronaldo and dem speakin, dey wasnt a scholar in no way shape or form, im not sayin we have 2 b like dem, but we not dat bad, theobald need tuh keep it simple ;D
yeah but them fellas first language is Portugese and some broken English so yuh cannot blame them if yuh hearing ah lil green verbs in between
our first language is english and then Ole Niggabonics
but them fellas speaking Ole Niggabonics better than English
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Nutten wrong with man talking how dey does normally talk.
Dis is ah opportunity to expose de world to true trini culture, de way we does talk an all.
Allyuh ever here scotsmen talk? Or Geordies?
Let de men an dem shout it out.
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:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: @ niggabonics
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Nutten wrong with man talking how dey does normally talk.
Dis is ah opportunity to expose de world to true trini culture, de way we does talk an all.
Allyuh ever here scotsmen talk? Or Geordies?
Let de men an dem shout it out.
onliest though ? ........de accent is ours to be proud of.....the slang and colourful ways of expression- cool to a certain extent............but words like onliest..........can't endorse that
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Nutten wrong with man talking how dey does normally talk.
Dis is ah opportunity to expose de world to true trini culture, de way we does talk an all.
Allyuh ever here scotsmen talk? Or Geordies?
Let de men an dem shout it out.
Speaking with the Trini accent is perfectly acceptable. We all should be proud of our accent, however bad english is a no no. Every language has its own colloquial words and phrases and it fine to use them with your countrymen, but to the rest of the world it would be confusing. Please don't condone our boys spitting green verbs and such in public
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they go sound like Chanderpaul in the Pespi commercial..
" The mange and dem call mih Tiger,l mih nah kno y?"
Everytime West Indies play a match... the hardest part to watch is when they interviewing the captains......
yuh jus prayin he don't talk for to long......
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Green Verbs..............using "big words" out on context.
Really and truly, them fellas go need some serious PR skills before they head to Germany.
Ah almost dead when I heard Dennis' interview ("I does that"). and fellas, doh get tie-up eh. Dwight eh backawrd. De English/Tobago accent does make him sound like ah Vincy.
Baal--Ball
Laads--Lads
Uman--Woman
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Green Verbs..............using "big words" out on context.
Really and truly, them fellas go need some serious PR skills before they head to Germany.
Ah almost dead when I heard Dennis' interview ("I does that"). and fellas, doh get tie-up eh. Dwight eh backawrd. De English/Tobago accent does make him sound like ah Vincy.
Baal--Ball
Laads--Lads
Uman--Woman
Nah Nah Nah Dennis wasnt bad... I listen to de speech on i95.5 and he wasnt bad at all on Sky Sports de other night either....
..... but meh boy Whitley... oh Lordy.... Andre Baptiste had him on de phone.... an I swear Whitley say that Beenhakker training is de reason why he "just keep getting much more plenty bettah!"
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For something as big as the WC I dont think it would hurt to bring in someone to give them a few lesson on conducting interviews.
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they go sound like Chanderpaul in the Pespi commercial..
" The mange and dem call mih Tiger,l mih nah kno y?"
Everytime West Indies play a match... the hardest part to watch is when they interviewing the captains......
yuh jus prayin he don't talk for to long......
Eh boy, that is good talk, Chanderpaul is de worst.
Who hear de interview with Latas brother on 91.9? De boy sound like them Slaves from de 1800's
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Eh boy, that is good talk, Chanderpaul is de worst.
Who hear de interview with Latas brother on 91.9? De boy sound like them Slaves from de 1800's
lol :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
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I didnt hear Whitley talk but we must admit that the skipper himself has come a long way from saying things like "World claths" and "Nathurally good". If Dwight could improve himself, then I see no reason why some of the players cant do the same.
From the various interviews I have seen (not many) Shaka is very impressive, Tallest is not too bad, Stern could pass.
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I didnt hear Whitley talk but we must admit that the skipper himself has come a long way from saying things like "World claths" and "Nathurally good". If Dwight could improve himself, then I see no reason why some of the players cant do the same.
From the various interviews I have seen (not many) Shaka is very impressive, Tallest is not too bad, Stern could pass.
Shaka is a given, he fada was a Magistrate, so he had NO choice but not to embarrass he family.
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Men laughing, but this is serious thing. Ah remember when Chanders gave that interview (it was against South Aftica in '98, right?). Nothing is wrong with an accent, but when you are talking to the world and you're trying to communicate in standard english, you need to come good. It's OK when you are among your own, but it really depends on the context that you're in. Even our ministers and PM use the dialect for special effects, but they know when they need to be prim, and they definitely know how to turn it on. Dem fellas need a crash course in media relations and public speaking. They are representing the entire country and the Caribbean as an extension. We don't want to be labelled as islanders speaking "cool pidgin english".
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Eh boy, that is good talk, Chanderpaul is de worst.
Who hear de interview with Latas brother on 91.9? De boy sound like them Slaves from de 1800's
u'll don't remember when chanders came with lara for the parade celebration after the 375 and the crowd ask him to speak, and was shouting 'speak, speak', d man come up and say 'tank u'...daz it, little did we know we he didn't want to reveal how bad he speaks. Imagine this is the captain of the W.I. eh...hmmm
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yeah dialect is one thing
and I doh thnk we sould lose that cause that is who defines us as a people
I doh really rate Yorke with that English accent cause Shaka they just as long and he eh lose his
that aside
Bad English is just something that cannot go on on the world stage
when them fellas open they mouth I does cringe at what might come out
I remember some months ago I see Junir Gong on 106 and park and I tell meh self boy, yuh know how them Jamaican does talk like they never went to school
and to my surprise the man is very well spoken
eloquent and answer everything to the point in he Jamaican accent
so if he could do it who is we
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I doh really rate Yorke with that English accent cause Shaka they just as long and he eh lose his
Man Shaka bilingual.... yuh never hear de man on Sky Sports... is "guv'nor" "the gaffer" and "gor blimey" all kinda ting....
Then when he home is full trini accent.... plus he went Howard so he may be fluent in yankee too
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Bad English is just something that cannot go on on the world stage
when them fellas open they mouth I does cringe at what might come out
I remember some months ago I see Junir Gong on 106 and park and I tell meh self boy, yuh know how them Jamaican does talk like they never went to school
and to my surprise the man is very well spoken
eloquent and answer everything to the point in he Jamaican accent
so if he could do it who is we
Allyuh men getting tie up like market crab oui.
First things first, yuh hear who yuh say there? Junior Gong. Not Jah Cure or Sizzla, but Jr. Gong. The man's father just happens to be a multi-millionaire whose estate even years after his death still makes millions in royalties and other payments on an anual basis.
You think Jr. Gong went any and every normal school? Steups. Is pure Private school them went. All ah dem Marley kids. My cousin from Ja. actually went to one of the most exclusive prive schools in Jamaica and was in class with one of the daughters of the one and only Mutabaruka. Imagine that. It eh have no more Earthsman than Muta, and his youths and them went big, exclusive private school. So the way they speak obviously shows their upbringing.
Secondly I have absolutely NO problem with our dialect. NONE WHATSOEVER.
These are the very arguments that there were in Jamaica when Louise Bennett started her stories and poetry in Jamaican patois. Fight down in the earlies until they learn to love and respect their own way of talking/expressing themselves.
By the way, who really speaks the Queen's English? Not the English. Not the vast majority of them anyway. I can assure you of that. Neither do the Scottish, or worse yet, the Irish. Do the Americans? Nope. What about the Austrailians? Not them either. So why the need for our players to speak standard English on camera? Are you ashamed of how we speak?
The basic idea of speech is comunication. To ensure that person A and person B can each understand the message that is being shared. To the extent that this happens, regardless of "green verbs" or what have you, you have successful communication.
So if is so we is talk, let them fellas talk just so when they getting interview. It eh have no shame in that atall.
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If you want good english in a true trini accent, shaka will have to answer all the questions.
Ato was good when he was ready, but sometimes he used to buss a lil yankee for dem.
Lara and his robotic voice and improper English is painful to listen to.
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..... but meh boy Whitley... oh Lordy.... Andre Baptiste had him on de phone.... an I swear Whitley say that Beenhakker training is de reason why he "just keep getting much more plenty bettah!"
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Gotta disagree with you Jah Youth. There are different varieties to the english language, but please note that when they speak well, regardless of the type of english they speak, they use proper verbs and adjectives. Lets not get confused with the accent. It's not about the accent, it's about the grammatical accuracy. Patrick Manning and Panday speak with a noteable Trini accent, but they speak good english. Imagine yuh Prime Minister addressing the UN and he say things such as "We does". That ain't go work, and he might find it hard to command the respect of his counterparts. It's politics, but sometimes you have to play the game.
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valid point saw, ask anyone who makes a living by speaking. i am a teacher here in the US and i communicate all my points very clearly to my students in a strong Trini accent. i have no need to put on a freshwater accent because i speak clearly and correctly.
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valid point saw, ask anyone who makes a living by speaking. i am a teacher here in the US and i communicate all my points very clearly to my students in a strong Trini accent. i have no need to put on a freshwater accent because i speak clearly and correctly.
Fari, I agree......
We not debating the Accent, but rather the spoken English and using words that are NOT found in any dictionary. As a next amn say Manning and Panday have a Trini accent , however the know how to speak English.
I know Football is all about Talent, but when u talented microphones usually get thrust in your face and it would be good to sound semi-educated and not use "ONLIEST". Trust if you carry ypurself well, numerous doors will be opened.
I hope some of them get some English skills under they belt and keep the accent unlike Yorkie in the MALTA CARIB commercial. Two weeks on Trial and they go all be like Yorkie.........MALTA CARIB , naturally goood!!!
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valid point saw, ask anyone who makes a living by speaking. i am a teacher here in the US and i communicate all my points very clearly to my students in a strong Trini accent. i have no need to put on a freshwater accent because i speak clearly and correctly.
yeah what grade..I was a teacher too.
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i teach college level spanish, you should hear the questions the students ask: what language ya'll speak? is trinidad in africa? steupsssssssss
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i teach college level spanish, you should hear the questions the students ask: what language ya'll speak? is trinidad in africa? steupsssssssss
I remember congregating verbs in Secondary School and using the Vamos Amigos text. Have you used this before?
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i teach college level spanish, you should hear the questions the students ask: what language ya'll speak? is trinidad in africa? steupsssssssss
Doh worry Fari, come July, they will ALL KNOW where Trinidad and Tobago is !!!! FUEGO!!! :flamethrower:
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i teach college level spanish, you should hear the questions the students ask: what language ya'll speak? is trinidad in africa? steupsssssssss
Doh worry Fari, come July, they will ALL KNOW where Trinidad and Tobago is !!!! FUEGO!!! :flamethrower:
Nah he teaching in de US... dey still eh go know
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i teach college level spanish, you should hear the questions the students ask: what language ya'll speak? is trinidad in africa? steupsssssssss
well fari, your job is to educate them yuh cyar get vex wid dem. If yuh teaching here in the US den yuh should kno the type of educational backgrounds some of these kids coming from. When I was in college...many moons ago.. dey used to ask we if Trinidad have cars and if we live in trees or if we have houses. after de vexation subsided yuh realise nobody ever teach them bout places outside the US so dey doh kno much about other peoples especially ppl who look like dem.
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dred-they still ask those those types of questions. in undergrad ppl asked us those questions and we had to be polite and try and explain to them. this country is so big ppl tend to be a bit provincial and not want to come out their comfort zone. ppl in one state dont know about the other state so how they will know about a dot in the ocean like TnT. but anyways, let me not stray from the topic.
yes, i feel some of the footballers need some type of class to help them in deportment and public speaking. they represent the country on the field and off so they always need to look, act and speak professionally
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ah hear all yuh, but this has nothing to do with football, it goes back to the educational system..if we teach..we learn..Football is life, but education makes life better.
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i teach college level spanish, you should hear the questions the students ask: what language ya'll speak? is trinidad in africa? steupsssssssss
I remember congregating verbs in Secondary School and using the Vamos Amigos text. Have you used this before?
conjugate?
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i teach college level spanish, you should hear the questions the students ask: what language ya'll speak? is trinidad in africa? steupsssssssss
I remember congregating verbs in Secondary School and using the Vamos Amigos text. Have you used this before?
conjugate?
Ah ent wha say nuttin, on this forum anything goes(ie my sentence)
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i teach college level spanish, you should hear the questions the students ask: what language ya'll speak? is trinidad in africa? steupsssssssss
I remember congregating verbs in Secondary School and using the Vamos Amigos text. Have you used this before?
conjugate?
marocs,
yuh not easy..yuh know what de man mean.
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well shaka wasnt born here, and does talk more trini that dwight, but i think is from his howard experience and the constant liming with meh uncles
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So all you English teachers...
Our language, as colourful as it is with the way we WE speak, is substandard or unacceptable?
I refuse to believe that. And no, it is not about the accent, that is not what I am referring to. What I am saying is that as a people we have to be proud of how we speak. Are Haitians appalled when their players speak creole as opposed to French? And the example with Manning is not a good analogy. These are two different professions. I would not expect a national political leader to address the United Nations and speak Trinidadian dialect. At the same time, however, I would not expect to see a national political leader to be running up Frederick street in a football pants and a vest with a pair of boots in his hand running to catch a taxi (as I would see with an athlete). Meaning, two different professions, two different things.
So you are telling me that you would be ashamed if the following occurs in a Germany post game interview?
WC Reporter: So Mr. Whitley, what did you think about the T&T win tonight?
Aurtis Whitley: Well bossman, to tell yuh de truth, we had a real good game. We start off real strong, just keep taking it to them, and get two nice goals.
WC Reporter: What can we expect from the next game versus world Champions Brazil on Saturday?
Aurtis Whitley: Well, we not afraid of nobody so we going and try to play we natural game. Attack, attack, attack. Confident and strong. If we get a draw we happy.
Fellas, that is who we are. All the English classes in the world cannot take that away. And when we are in germany I want the fellas to be themselves, not who you or anyone else want them to be. Short of profanity, express yourself Trini.
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i teach college level spanish, you should hear the questions the students ask: what language ya'll speak? is trinidad in africa? steupsssssssss
I remember congregating verbs in Secondary School and using the Vamos Amigos text. Have you used this before?
why yuh make dem poor verbs group up so?
wait nah yuh mean conjugating...ooops1
my bad I see is ah typo yuh make ent?
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So you are telling me that you would be ashamed if the following occurs in a Germany post game interview?
WC Reporter: So Mr. Whitley, what did you think about the T&T win tonight?
Aurtis Whitley: Well bossman, to tell yuh de truth, we had a real good game. We start off real strong, just keep taking it to them, and get two nice goals.
WC Reporter: What can we expect from the next game versus world Champions Brazil on Saturday?
Aurtis Whitley: Well, we not afraid of nobody so we going and try to play we natural game. Attack, attack, attack. Confident and strong. If we get a draw we happy.
horse
as bad as it may sound that would be a step up from how Theobald sound yesterday
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So all you English teachers...
Our language, as colourful as it is with the way we WE speak, is substandard or unacceptable?
I refuse to believe that. And no, it is not about the accent, that is not what I am referring to. What I am saying is that as a people we have to be proud of how we speak. Are Haitians appalled when their players speak creole as opposed to French? And the example with Manning is not a good analogy. These are two different professions. I would not expect a national political leader to address the United Nations and speak Trinidadian dialect. At the same time, however, I would not expect to see a national political leader to be running up Frederick street in a football pants and a vest with a pair of boots in his hand running to catch a taxi (as I would see with an athlete). Meaning, two different professions, two different things.
So you are telling me that you would be ashamed if the following occurs in a Germany post game interview?
WC Reporter: So Mr. Whitley, what did you think about the T&T win tonight?
Aurtis Whitley: Well bossman, to tell yuh de truth, we had a real good game. We start off real strong, just keep taking it to them, and get two nice goals.
WC Reporter: What can we expect from the next game versus world Champions Brazil on Saturday?
Aurtis Whitley: Well, we not afraid of nobody so we going and try to play we natural game. Attack, attack, attack. Confident and strong. If we get a draw we happy.
Fellas, that is who we are. All the English classes in the world cannot take that away. And when we are in germany I want the fellas to be themselves, not who you or anyone else want them to be. Short of profanity, express yourself Trini.
one quick question, why did you use such proprer english when making your point but used T&t vernacular when illusttrating a probable interview with Whitley?
But den again dat is who we is
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So all you English teachers...
Our language, as colourful as it is with the way we WE speak, is substandard or unacceptable?
I refuse to believe that. And no, it is not about the accent, that is not what I am referring to. What I am saying is that as a people we have to be proud of how we speak. Are Haitians appalled when their players speak creole as opposed to French? And the example with Manning is not a good analogy. These are two different professions. I would not expect a national political leader to address the United Nations and speak Trinidadian dialect. At the same time, however, I would not expect to see a national political leader to be running up Frederick street in a football pants and a vest with a pair of boots in his hand running to catch a taxi (as I would see with an athlete). Meaning, two different professions, two different things.
So you are telling me that you would be ashamed if the following occurs in a Germany post game interview?
WC Reporter: So Mr. Whitley, what did you think about the T&T win tonight?
Aurtis Whitley: Well bossman, to tell yuh de truth, we had a real good game. We start off real strong, just keep taking it to them, and get two nice goals.
WC Reporter: What can we expect from the next game versus world Champions Brazil on Saturday?
Aurtis Whitley: Well, we not afraid of nobody so we going and try to play we natural game. Attack, attack, attack. Confident and strong. If we get a draw we happy.
Fellas, that is who we are. All the English classes in the world cannot take that away. And when we are in germany I want the fellas to be themselves, not who you or anyone else want them to be. Short of profanity, express yourself Trini.
one quick question, why did you use such proprer english when making your point but used T&t vernacular when illusttrating a probable interview with Whitley?
But den again dat is who we is
I used Standard English to show yall that it eh no jackass talking and supporting the use of Trindadian dialect. Is ah educated brother.
And Disgruntled, if that probable interview was alright to you although Whitley spoke in dialect, then the problem is not dialect, but Whitley. See wha ah saying?
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I still believe that we are taught in T&T to accept our vernacular but when communicationg with others or in a professional setting to use standard english.
i do know however, that many non-trinis find it colorful and charming when we speak.
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Dem boys make T&T proud playing football, they earning dey daily bread playing football, dey boning nuff woman because dey playing football so if dey cyar talk to a reporter to please allyuh .......... man allyuh eh easy.
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I still believe that we are taught in T&T to accept our vernacular but when communicationg with others or in a professional setting to use standard english.
Actually no. I think Trinidadian society has a long way to go before it truly "accepts" the use of our dialect. It may very well be our British heritage. For example, American presidents often speak "American" and not standard English in public and official settings and people are not appalled. For example, George Bush's famous line: "We're gonna smoke 'em out!" when referring to the terrorists in the Middle East. Let Manning go on TV and say: "We going an mash dem up" nah? Hahahahahaha people will have a field day ridiculing the man for not having spoken standard English.
So no, we do NOT truly accept the use of our dialect. Not yet. And until we stop thinking that it is inherently substandard to the so-called Queen's English, we will not get there either.
So allyuh cock up yuh foot, drink ah beer and relax nah. Let them fellas express themself how they want.
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yeah Fishs (a word not in the Dictionary)
when we go they and we wash 2 or 3 side ass properly and they push the camera in ah man face and use the word onliest with ah couple million people watching I hope yuh could say well he does bone nuff gyal then
I hope yuh just as proud of Trinidad then as you are now.
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i disagree...our politicans use local talk all de time. fatigue, old talk and de like is common place in T&T politics...have you ever attnded a political rally in T&T?
I understand your feelings regarding the way the players may speak, but saying dat is de way we does talk is not an excuse for lack of self improvement.
still, i will not be embarrassed if a player speaks with so-called green verbs etc.
because as you say, that is part of who we is.
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yeah Fishs (a word not in the Dictionary)
when we go they and we wash 2 or 3 side ass properly and they push the camera in ah man face and use the word onliest with ah couple million people watching I hope yuh could say well he does bone nuff gyal then
I hope yuh just as proud of Trinidad then as you are now.
And why not? Because they don't talk like Queen Elizabeth? Steups... you are a jackass if that make you less proud of your country.
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by the way, the way bush speaks is a source of fun and ridicule all the time in the usa..jes go tuh google and type Bushisms and get ah bellyful
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I understand your feelings regarding the way the players may speak, but saying dat is de way we does talk is not an excuse for lack of self improvement.
bossman, this is exactly what I am saying. You see the word you just use: self improvement. So talking like them makes you better as an individual? I guess them French black players having the hair straight straight like Drogba is self improement too then cause they looking more like them?
Love yourself boss. You well shakle.
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This is my opinion:
The bottom line for me is, there are some people who just cannot speak proper english....some don't know how to pronounce words...some don't know how to carry on a proper conversation. Whether they are speaking to the President of a nation or their friends by the savannah, people should know the differences.
I would want to believe that we trinis have better common sense too know, when approached by a dignitary from another land or even our own not to speak him/her as if we around the savannah having a conversation after a game.
e.g.
President: so Mr/Ms *** how was the game today ?
You: boy, dem f**kin ass and dem almost mash up dey f**king net with dat mudder c**t lash with de ball, ya aint' see it eh ?.
Do you honestly think the President will want to continue that conversation ?
Blame society, schooling or lack there of. Say to yourself 'oh the outside world love we accent and slang". But the question is: Will you feel comfortable in the mist of dignitaries when asked a question in proper english ?
my 2 cents :beermug:
as a newbie ah waiting to get meh arse chop down by de 4 kings in here.....i ain't calling name
but just remember, this red thing or rise in de morning.
cheers :beermug:
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yeah I is ah jackarse for accepting the failures in we education system
yuh go know
when the "onliest" and "when we did went Bahrain" start to come in
nobody say we had to go and use words like henceforth and aforementioned but at the same time we could do a lil better that onliest
nothing eh wrong with out dialect and local colloquialisms here and there but we have to draw the line
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well look at that....i ain't get cuss yet.
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This is my opinion:
The bottom line for me is, there are some people who just cannot speak proper english....some don't know how to pronounce words...some don't know how to carry on a proper conversation. Whether they are speaking to the President of a nation or their friends by the savannah, people should know the differences.
President: so Mr/Ms *** how was the game today ?
You: boy, dem f**kin ass and dem almost mash up dey f**king net with dat mudder c**t lash with de ball, ya aint' see it eh ?.
Do you honestly think the President will want to continue that conversation ?
yeah but yuh talking foolishness man. Where all that cussing come from? Didn't I say "short of profanity" dialect is fine in my opinion for the players to speak in an interview?
Come with a stronger argument man.
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Allyuh eh get mih point yet.
Fishs may not be a word, but who de f** k cares.
These men do not make their living by being interviewed and then having trini men who went to big school editing and criticising what they say.
So what if they can not speak how you want them to, who the f**k make you their speak angel?
These guys were not as prvileged as many of you who are criticising how they speak,
but instead of picking up guns and robbing they took their god given talent and not just make a living out of it but also had all of us jumping for joy.
So if you feel embarassed by how they speak, then you are prejudiced and should learn some lessons in humility.
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I understand your feelings regarding the way the players may speak, but saying dat is de way we does talk is not an excuse for lack of self improvement.
bossman, this is exactly what I am saying. You see the word you just use: self improvement. So talking like them makes you better as an individual? I guess them French black players having the hair straight straight like Drogba is self improement too then cause they looking more like them?
Love yourself boss. You well shakle.
Some men takiing this totally out of context. Drogba straightening his hair has nothing to do with being able to effectively communicate to others. That might be a case of personal style or an inferiority complex (who knows?). Fact is that our dialect is sort of like a different language, and english is a common vehicle of expression that is used to communicate to the rest of the world, just like other people learn english if they speak another language. Why? Because english is considered as the language that allows others of different nationalities, etc., to have a common means of expression.
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Allyuh eh get mih point yet.
Fishs may not be a word, but who de f** k cares.
These men do not make their living by being interviewed and then having trini men who went to big school editing and criticising what they say.
So what if they can not speak how you want them to, who the f**k make you their speak angel?
These guys were not as prvileged as many of you who are criticising how they speak,
but instead of picking up guns and robbing they took their god given talent and not just make a living out of it but also had all of us jumping for joy.
So if you feel embarassed by how they speak, then you are prejudiced and should learn some lessons in humility.
:applause: Well said.
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I understand your feelings regarding the way the players may speak, but saying dat is de way we does talk is not an excuse for lack of self improvement.
bossman, this is exactly what I am saying. You see the word you just use: self improvement. So talking like them makes you better as an individual? I guess them French black players having the hair straight straight like Drogba is self improement too then cause they looking more like them?
Love yourself boss. You well shakle.
Some men takiing this totally out of context. Drogba straightening his hair has nothing to do with being able to effectively communicate to others. That might be a case of personal style or an inferiority complex (who knows?). Fact is that our dialect is sort of like a different language, and english is a common vehicle of expression that is used to communicate to the rest of the world, just like other people learn english if they speak another language. Why? Because english is considered as the language that allows others of different nationalities, etc., to have a common means of expression.
We hadda agree to disagree here I guess. I stand firm saying that Trinidad dialect is in no way inferior to standard English. As a result, if the players speak "Trini" I have absolutely no problem with that. That is who we are. So if someone says, "The onliest thing we didn't do is score five!" I good with that.
I do not think that speaking standard English is "better" or constitutes "self improvement" as you said as well. Why? Because just because it is theirs doesn't make it better or superior than ours.
Why don't they learn to talk like us?
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you can play ball and have an education.
pick up a book or even a newspaper.
thats all i'm saying.
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Allyuh eh get mih point yet.
Fishs may not be a word, but who de f** k cares.
These men do not make their living by being interviewed and then having trini men who went to big school editing and criticising what they say.
So what if they can not speak how you want them to, who the f**k make you their speak angel?
These guys were not as prvileged as many of you who are criticising how they speak,
but instead of picking up guns and robbing they took their god given talent and not just make a living out of it but also had all of us jumping for joy.
So if you feel embarassed by how they speak, then you are prejudiced and should learn some lessons in humility.
That is just it you have no point.
We not just in we little fishbowl we call Trinidad or even the Caribbean this is the world stage.
We want to go and give a good showing in out football and culture.
You talking assness bout they does play football and bull girls. Like it or not they are going to be ambassadors to Trinidad and if you happy with Trinidad being represented as a place where people sound like uneducated people well I am not.
This is have nothing to do with judging people cause they didnt go to the Fatima and Saints. Stern John didnt go to no "prestge school" but he handles himself well infront of the camera.
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We hadda agree to disagree here I guess. I stand firm saying that Trinidad dialect is in no way inferior to standard English. As a result, if the players speak "Trini" I have absolutely no problem with that. That is who we are. So if someone says, "The onliest thing we didn't do is score five!" I good with that.
I do not think that speaking standard English is "better" or constitutes "self improvement" as you said as well. Why? Because just because it is theirs doesn't make it better or superior than ours.
Why don't they learn to talk like us?
that is settling for mediocrity for me
we better than that
There is a time and place for everything and everything has it's place.
Onliest is for the rum shop after sweat.
Dialect for me is like this
Reporter: So X how did you play today.
X: Well we played good we just didn't put the ball in the back of the net
Reporter: So what is your predictions for the next game
X We will win 2-0 is goals like rain we go buss them up
all that good
a lil colloquialism at the end for emphasis
when yuh whole interview sounding like yuh cyah even read the no smoking sign on the plane on the way to Germany then we in ah bad way
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Allyuh eh get mih point yet.
Fishs may not be a word, but who de f** k cares.
These men do not make their living by being interviewed and then having trini men who went to big school editing and criticising what they say.
So what if they can not speak how you want them to, who the f**k make you their speak angel?
These guys were not as prvileged as many of you who are criticising how they speak,
but instead of picking up guns and robbing they took their god given talent and not just make a living out of it but also had all of us jumping for joy.
So if you feel embarassed by how they speak, then you are prejudiced and should learn some lessons in humility.
That is just it you have no point.
We not just in we little fishbowl we call Trinidad or even the Caribbean this is the world stage.
We want to go and give a good showing in out football and culture.
You talking assness bout they does play football and bull girls. Like it or not they are going to be ambassadors to Trinidad and if you happy with Trinidad being represented as a place where people sound like uneducated people well I am not.
This is have nothing to do with judging people cause they didnt go to the Fatima and Saints. Stern John didnt go to no "prestge school" but he handles himself well infront of the camera.
I cannot argue with you because your argument is flawed. Why? Because you equate speaking Trinidadian dialect with as you say sounding "like uneducated people". I on the other hand am secure in saying that Trinidadian dialect is as good as anything else. So we will never see eye to eye on this issue.
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Education and Game vs Game
age 22-28 playing ball in the savannah or even reached to the stadium....money flowing. You are the best or should I say "bestest" in the team cause you playing ball with all the skills in the world. That's all you have going mind you.
Emergency; doctors say un-repairable, son you can't play ball again.
Sirs, end this story for me, what does this 22-2 have to fall back on ?
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ONLIEST
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Disgruntled:
De man that picks up rubbish and takes so much pride in what he does that there is nobody better than him at that, is in my opinion a star, similarly the english professor that edits dictionaries that says " fishs" is not a word should be applauded.
But neither of them are playing football for a living and more than likely neither of them speak the same way.
What you want is that these guys do not make you personally shame when they speak to the international media and you might have to explain to your illustrious circle of acquaintances.
What you want etc outside of football and normal human behavior is really of no consequence to the national footballer who grew up in Fyzabad and had to help his parents work in the garden before he went to school at an early age and then found that school was not as important to him as playing football to the best of his ability and then making a living out of it. And yes bulling woman for a man is important, with his fame and fortune he gets exposed to a lot more than you or I would in our mediocrity but excellent speaking english lives.
So I guess if you can not understand that then turn off the volume.
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I understand your feelings regarding the way the players may speak, but saying dat is de way we does talk is not an excuse for lack of self improvement.
bossman, this is exactly what I am saying. You see the word you just use: self improvement. So talking like them makes you better as an individual? I guess them French black players having the hair straight straight like Drogba is self improement too then cause they looking more like them?
Love yourself boss. You well shakle.
fella you are equating ethnicity to education?
come on man.
How can you say that I am shackled?
Education is a key that unlocks many doors.
When a man is educated he will do his best to communicate to an international audience in a manner they can all understand.
Please do not for one minute feel that Whitley and those guys do NOT want to speak properly.
It is becasue they are not properly educated that prevents them.
That said, I reiterate, many love our colourful speech.
And for the record education does make you a better man in many respects. While it may not help a person with morality, ethics etc. it helps the man understand his relationship to others and vice versa,
When Papa Doc had Haitians in fear and superstition he easily manipulated.
please dont equate education with morality although there is some commonality.
You are as proud as I am of my trininess and all that entails, yet you can communicate well to show that you are not I used Standard English to show yall that it eh no jackass talking and supporting the use of Trindadian dialect. Is ah educated brother.
I rest my case
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cheers on dat truetrini :beermug:
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i like how this debate is going, let me fan the flames some more. this is an interview w/ Dog on the bbc, let's see what people think of it. did he sound good/ bad? did he use trini dialect/standard english?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/default.stm#
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i like how this debate is going, let me fan the flames some more. this is an interview w/ Dog on the bbc, let's see what people think of it. did he sound good/ bad? did he use trini dialect/standard english?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/default.stm#
now that I consider, is good standard english from a trinidadian.
very good interview by the way
what is marvin's level of education ?
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When a man is educated he will do his best to communicate to an international audience in a manner they can all understand.
Jahyouth read that line over!!!
yuh really think an internationl audience will understand what them fellas saying
yuh done know the closeminded already and feel we swinging from trees and we eh have no roads and thing
I think it will auger well if we can at least speak properly and communicate well with an international audience
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i teach college level spanish, you should hear the questions the students ask: what language ya'll speak? is trinidad in africa? steupsssssssss
I remember congregating verbs in Secondary School and using the Vamos Amigos text. Have you used this before?
conjugate?
marocs,
yuh not easy..yuh know what de man mean.
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haha
jus givin him a lil pressure like meh boy fihlo
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It is simple.....
We not asking them to go back to school for a few years. We are jus asking them to improve a little so that they can be good ambassadors to our country. Shaka lead the charge against racism in England because he was a good spokeperson. We not talking about dialect or accent, but when to use what. People feel in the "prestige" schools the children talk proper english.
NO
But we know when to change and how to change.
WE all about showing our differences, but not that we cant speak.
That would validate the ingorance of others.
" Yuh hear the trinidadian speak? Don't worry,is a third world country, it expected.
When yuh discussing this, all you have to think about is one person.
Chanderpaul
then hear Sarwarn speak. Talent is no excuse for education.
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I do not think that speaking standard English is "better" or constitutes "self improvement" as you said as well. Why? Because just because it is theirs doesn't make it better or superior than ours.
Why don't they learn to talk like us?
That last sentence is the reason why your argument will fall apart.
How will they "learn to talk like us"
Our dialect does have rules and a common structure but it is also different from place to place and even from sentence to sentence it is mixed with standard english to different degrees.
It is not standardized and as such it is not reasonable to expect other people to learn it. We teach standard english so that has to be the benchmark for communication. Our dialect is a beautiful thing and it is preserved in various artforms but until we make a conscious decision to make it an official language, standardize rules etc. it is not a useful form of communication to non Trinidadians.
Remember it isn't just other english speakers. Americans and Brits can decipher our language just as we can with Jamaicans, but how do you expect people who learn English as a second language, by rules more than practice, to understand what we are saying?
It doesn't make sense to be so proud of our dialect that we don't get our message across, unless the message is that we are insular and don't really care if people understand us.
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yeah dialect is one thing
and I doh thnk we sould lose that cause that is who defines us as a people
I doh really rate Yorke with that English accent cause Shaka they just as long and he eh lose his
that aside
Bad English is just something that cannot go on on the world stage
when them fellas open they mouth I does cringe at what might come out
I remember some months ago I see Junir Gong on 106 and park and I tell meh self boy, yuh know how them Jamaican does talk like they never went to school
and to my surprise the man is very well spoken
eloquent and answer everything to the point in he Jamaican accent
so if he could do it who is we
yuh know de bottom line is that people understand each other.... if you couldn't get past these guys then you would have died in the claude noel era.... if you listen to the english football interviews you would probably be aghast (hope de spelling right) cause a lot of those guys speak pretty bad english... but bottom line is , this is who we are and you can't be all things to all people , so love yourself and take pride in de boys... dey representing us with all their faults imagined or otherwise..... jeez, yuh mean it wasn't enough that we make de WC06 --- yuh wanted us to make it with scholars???? ... take it or leave it, who vex lorse... :chilling:
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So why do Jamaicans speak more standard english when they are on the international stage. They have a dialect that in my opinion is even more colloquial than ours. They know when to switch up and speak so that the masses (internationally) get their message. One of the reasons that Bob Marely has such an international appeal is because his diction was very good. That's the point I'm getting at. But men feel we saying that our players should not speak the dialect. The dialect will never die, if that's what men are afraid about. This is not about national identity; it's about being able to communicate with the rest of the world.
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Education and Game vs Game
age 22-28 playing ball in the savannah or even reached to the stadium....money flowing. You are the best or should I say "bestest" in the team cause you playing ball with all the skills in the world. That's all you have going mind you.
Emergency; doctors say un-repairable, son you can't play ball again.
Sirs, end this story for me, what does this 22-2 have to fall back on ?
How allyuh sounding like young-uns so..... people have the best education, making tons of money and always second guessing whether dey wouldn't be happier back home in tnt just conversing in we talk. you watching some breddas who perform the impossible an you stuydying dat these guys not representing us proper... brother better yuh kneel down an' pray dat god give yuh some of de happiness dat them fellas share through their achievements!!! an if dey end up broke.... believe me dey go be de talk ah de rumshop... but they will have seen things that you and i will never see and done things you and i will never do, for sure dey getting de love of 99.95% of TNT... if you happy with your education and your superior football skills all kudos to you... but doh seek to dilute the achievements of these breddas by belittling their skills in de education department... I'll bet allyuh is pan expert too.... :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :chilling: somebody call AWATT ah ready to join up...
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I understand your feelings regarding the way the players may speak, but saying dat is de way we does talk is not an excuse for lack of self improvement.
bossman, this is exactly what I am saying. You see the word you just use: self improvement. So talking like them makes you better as an individual? I guess them French black players having the hair straight straight like Drogba is self improement too then cause they looking more like them?
Love yourself boss. You well shakle.
Education is a key that unlocks many doors.
You are as proud as I am of my trininess and all that entails, yet you can communicate well to show that you are not I used Standard English to show yall that it eh no jackass talking and supporting the use of Trindadian dialect. Is ah educated brother.
I rest my case
1) Education should rightly unlock doors.... doors like pride, discrimination and poor judgement... but if i may opine on your discourse i would mention that the more well educated among us have a responsibility to understand others rather than try to change others to be more like ourselves.
2) consider the case of a footballer speaking excellent spanish, italian, portuguese or french. What difference does that make to me.... you flatter yourself that the world is like you my friend... time to get ah real education... :chilling:
3) I tell people that smart people do and say stupid (or chupid) things all de time... nuttin wrong wid dat... show me an educated brother and i'll show you a man who's going to make a mistake... :chilling:
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I understand your feelings regarding the way the players may speak, but saying dat is de way we does talk is not an excuse for lack of self improvement.
bossman, this is exactly what I am saying. You see the word you just use: self improvement. So talking like them makes you better as an individual? I guess them French black players having the hair straight straight like Drogba is self improement too then cause they looking more like them?
Love yourself boss. You well shakle.
Education is a key that unlocks many doors.
You are as proud as I am of my trininess and all that entails, yet you can communicate well to show that you are not I used Standard English to show yall that it eh no jackass talking and supporting the use of Trindadian dialect. Is ah educated brother.
I rest my case
1) Education should rightly unlock doors.... doors like pride, discrimination and poor judgement... but if i may opine on your discourse i would mention that the more well educated among us have a responsibility to understand others rather than try to change others to be more like ourselves.
2) consider the case of a footballer speaking excellent spanish, italian, portuguese or french. What difference does that make to me.... you flatter yourself that the world is like you my friend... time to get ah real education... :chilling:
3) I tell people that smart people do and say stupid (or chupid) things all de time... nuttin wrong wid dat... show me an educated brother and i'll show you a man who's going to make a mistake... :chilling:
yuh could opine, yuh cud unwine and yuh could jes plain wine.
Education is not simply learning ting from ah book!
dat is your definition i could only imagine.
If not fuh educated men slavery woulda still be rampant.
steups.
show me an educated man and I show yuh ah easy mark.
a fool and his money are soon parted.
where are all the millions dem boxers and dem make during the course ah dem pugilisitic careers?
smartmen done take it all.
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(http://www.uglyfootballers.com/content/images/footballers/world_cup/socrates/images/socrates02.jpg)
Socrates first called up to the National squad when he was 25, and gained 63 caps.
At club level, he played for Botafogo, Corinthians, Fiorentina Flamengo and finaly Santos, where he finished his career in 1990.
Socrates continued his medical education whilst playing top class football, and has gone on to become a Doctor.
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(http://www.uglyfootballers.com/content/images/footballers/world_cup/socrates/images/socrates02.jpg)
Socrates first called up to the National squad when he was 25, and gained 63 caps.
At club level, he played for Botafogo, Corinthians, Fiorentina Flamengo and finaly Santos, where he finished his career in 1990.
Socrates continued his medical education whilst playing top class football, and has gone on to become a Doctor.
All ah dat de man do an he couldn't speak a lick ah tntian dialect, wine down to de ground or differentiate between a cascadoo in a doubles from a shark an bake on maracas beach... know de difference between divali an' eid.... poor fella probably never hit maracas or went up paramin for a lime... never taste a point ting...... never hear bout sparrow, kitch, blueboy, maestro.... pelau, callaloo, roti/buss up shut... please ah could go on an' on..... one man education is a 'nudder man headache... to each his own an' respect to all... doh ever feel de breddas not educated... remember, commonsense come before book sense...... :chilling:
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man talking about formal education...you talking about cultural experiences.
two different things fella.
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Education and Game vs Game
age 22-28 playing ball in the savannah or even reached to the stadium....money flowing. You are the best or should I say "bestest" in the team cause you playing ball with all the skills in the world. That's all you have going mind you.
Emergency; doctors say un-repairable, son you can't play ball again.
Sirs, end this story for me, what does this 22-2 have to fall back on ?
How allyuh sounding like young-uns so..... people have the best education, making tons of money and always second guessing whether dey wouldn't be happier back home in tnt just conversing in we talk. you watching some breddas who perform the impossible an you stuydying dat these guys not representing us proper... brother better yuh kneel down an' pray dat god give yuh some of de happiness dat them fellas share through their achievements!!! an if dey end up broke.... believe me dey go be de talk ah de rumshop... but they will have seen things that you and i will never see and done things you and i will never do, for sure dey getting de love of 99.95% of TNT... if you happy with your education and your superior football skills all kudos to you... but doh seek to dilute the achievements of these breddas by belittling their skills in de education department... I'll bet allyuh is pan expert too.... :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :chilling: somebody call AWATT ah ready to join up...
What ? oh shit sorry.... I mean Eh ?
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(http://www.uglyfootballers.com/content/images/footballers/world_cup/socrates/images/socrates02.jpg)
Socrates first called up to the National squad when he was 25, and gained 63 caps.
At club level, he played for Botafogo, Corinthians, Fiorentina Flamengo and finaly Santos, where he finished his career in 1990.
Socrates continued his medical education whilst playing top class football, and has gone on to become a Doctor.
All ah dat de man do an he couldn't speak a lick ah tntian dialect, wine down to de ground or differentiate between a cascadoo in a doubles from a shark an bake on maracas beach... know de difference between divali an' eid.... poor fella probably never hit maracas or went up paramin for a lime... never taste a point ting...... never hear bout sparrow, kitch, blueboy, maestro.... pelau, callaloo, roti/buss up shut... please ah could go on an' on..... one man education is a 'nudder man headache... to each his own an' respect to all... doh ever feel de breddas not educated... remember, commonsense come before book sense...... :chilling:
Greenpea
He's Brazilian......poor example.........
If you could comment on his experience with "grassroots" Brazilian culture, then you might have a point........otherwise you're spewing irrelevance.
p.s. Don't over-rate common sense. It's the year 2005.......common sense by itself eh gettin' yuh no where.
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man talking about formal education...you talking about cultural experiences.
two different things fella.
cause Brasil (BRAHZIL according to them same warriors and the rest of Trinidad) have no culture, they have no indigenous food or sweet woman as well
and doh ask for beach WHAT BEACH
pigeonopea I mean greenpea think before yuh open yuh mouth eh
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man talking about formal education...you talking about cultural experiences.
two different things fella.
wish someone could explain why fellas doh understand that 'the more yuh learn is de more yuh realize is de less yuh know'.... this lil idea goes a long way to building humbleness... then people could also grasp this concept.... education is relative because as well educated as some of us are in this forum we pale intellectually to others with whom we engage... so the idea of thinking that breddas should speak better to represent trinidad is moot because in someone's eyes somewhere we ourselves fall short... but i'll bet that idea seems really foreign.... better we say dem fellas should practice free kick an' corners ( related to football) rather than buck up on their shakespeare..... ah never know formal education stood by itself; de way i know it is yuh respect de knowledge any man bring to de table and yuh use dat knowledge to achieve a goal, an who could help good... who just stand at de side an' criticize... well, not so good... :chilling:
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anybody think we should send them fellas on ah lil English Speaking course before the world cup
I listening to Theobald interview tonight and the man using words like "Onliest" amongst others
now how it go look them fellas reach Germany and ah man push ah camera infront he or some next warrior face and them kind ah words coming out
Scott Sealy could speak though
scott must be able to speak good, he come out ah big school like CIC!!
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cm'on guys keep up.... its almost like the root issue here is that people don't respect our own culture... lets talk better english... why? to be more english... lets be like this or like that... why? because we doh like what happening in TNT... we're developing a culture... OUR own culture even as we engage in this forum.... this culture will develop for years to come as OUR own experience in diversity and TNT culture. Plenty places have beach but not our beach..... its different and that difference COUNTS... knowledge of that difference counts to others more than it counts with us because we take what we have for granted. IF WE CANNOT LOVE AND RESPECT PEOPLE TALKING TRINI WITH GREEN VERB etc then we are far from understanding the same people and de problems we dealing with. somebody mus be really fooling somebody if dey could say i'll be embarrased because dem fellas talk bad... cause i won't be embarrased ... buh den i could only speak fuh miself... :chilling:
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wish someone could explain why fellas doh understand that 'the more yuh learn is de more yuh realize is de less yuh know'.... this lil idea goes a long way to building humbleness... then people could also grasp this concept.... education is relative because as well educated as some of us are in this forum we pale intellectually to others with whom we engage... so the idea of thinking that breddas should speak better to represent trinidad is moot because in someone's eyes somewhere we ourselves fall short... but i'll bet that idea seems really foreign.... better we say dem fellas should practice free kick an' corners ( related to football) rather than buck up on their shakespeare..... ah never know formal education stood by itself; de way i know it is yuh respect de knowledge any man bring to de table and yuh use dat knowledge to achieve a goal, an who could help good... who just stand at de side an' criticize... well, not so good... :chilling:
blah blah blah blah...
let's stop putting people on pedistals undeservedly............We talkin' about our footballers' ability to communicate. All that cultural talk is just fluff that is straying from the point........
Bottom line is there's nothing wrong with trying to improve all aspects of oneself........communication skill is just one such aspect.........and it is no secret that many of our boys lack the exposure and training and hence have a lot of room for improvement in their communication skills.
That is what the thread is all about.....at least that is what I thought.
We need to stop hiding behind this ethno-centricity to find excuses..... and just admit to our weaknesses for a change. We don't live in a world by ourselves, and we don't rule the world either......We should be humble and strive to be the best at whatever we do......communication included.
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What people may/may not realize is that we all have our strengths and weaknesses... if those with superior english speaking ( very different from communication skills) skills can pontificate on those with less skills then it must be fair that those with superior soccer skills should be afforded the same luxury. seems fair but a dotish solution... we should respect and embrace rather than ridicule and criticize.... ah know this is a hard concept to grasp but spending a lot of time getting a formal education, and speaking well does not make one a better person, nor does it guarantee a happy life. Therefore i submit that those who want de boys to speak better are indulging in an exercise of vanity (not to mention futility).... doh worry dey wouldn't shame yuh... yuh crisp... :chilling:
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When a man is educated he will do his best to communicate to an international audience in a manner they can all understand.
Jahyouth read that line over!!!
yuh really think an internationl audience will understand what them fellas saying
yuh done know the closeminded already and feel we swinging from trees and we eh have no roads and thing
I think it will auger well if we can at least speak properly and communicate well with an international audience
That is soo true, and they focus so much on the accent, that they don't even understand when we do speak english, so you end up repeating yourself...... >:(
Like my mother says, there is a time and place for everything.....I love my dialect and use it when I home, but I know if I am giving a presentation, I cannot go up there and say
Aye meh boy, wahis the real scenes here, well today nah, ah going and present somtin to allyuh nah
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man, bottom line is even ole niggas in de NBA does take lil remedial lessons. ah remember Iverson sayin' he takin' lil lessons so he eh go say ting like 'Yuh kn'a mean!' like a man say 'how it go look?' HOWEVER, NONE CAN BEAT BACK CLAUDE NOEL WHEN HE LOSE DE TITLE TUH DONNIE LALONDE. "CLAUDE THIS IS YOUR FIRST DEFENSE AND YOU HAVE LOST YOUR TITLE. WHAT HAPPENED OUT THERE?" Claude's response: "ALL I KNOW IS A GET CUFF REAL HARD!" now dat is keepin' it real!
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What people may/may not realize is that we all have our strengths and weaknesses... if those with superior english speaking ( very different from communication skills) skills can pontificate on those with less skills then it must be fair that those with superior soccer skills should be afforded the same luxury. seems fair but a dotish solution... we should respect and embrace rather than ridicule and criticize.... ah know this is a hard concept to grasp but spending a lot of time getting a formal education, and speaking well does not make one a better person, nor does it guarantee a happy life. Therefore i submit that those who want de boys to speak better are indulging in an exercise of vanity (not to mention futility).... doh worry dey wouldn't shame yuh... yuh crisp... :chilling:
one of our weaknesses is communication. forget vanity, forget formal education, forget ridicule..........based on interviews that I've heard, some of our boys lack communication skills........and there's nothing wrong with trying to improve that.........end of story.
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men only bringing up this word culture
How d arse you want other people to accept and appreciate our culture if they doh understand wha the ass yuh saying
yuh must be able to say well the reason we do this is because of this and this is tradition and as been derived from this
all yuh only studying football which is the real reson we they but you going and meet people from all walks of life and if you want them to apreciate we culture and get a better understanding of Trinidad and not be seen as ah set ah people wearing loin clothes then we need to do a lil better than onliest
leh we be real we eh going and win no world cup so we need to maximize our oppoutunities in Germany
football, cultural and otherwise so I think communcation with others and giving a proper representation of Trinidad is a must
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I just want to say that i thoroughly enjoyed reading this entire post. Fellas in here know how to debate in a colourful trini style, issues and new ideas that most of us don't usually get to tank about amongst friends. Allyuh allowin men to "keep their roots" no matter wher they are in the world. Blessings breddas........
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one of our weaknesses is communication. forget vanity, forget formal education, forget ridicule..........based on what I've heard, some of our boys lack communication skills........and there's nothing wrong with trying to improve that.........end of story.
if communication is a weakness then something really wrong because is african, italian, french, german and dialects galore we going to bounce up in germany.... japanese, arabic.... so somebody trying to say we'll embarrass ourselves in this ..... please, is party, football, beer an pan. people thinking real myopic (ah not callin names)...
if i'm a businessman ah need to make presentations, do the suits get de latest powerpoint addins/software. Ah doh need that to run ball for 90 min.... yea ah need to be able to answer questions but i think de boys capable. if people really want to know about TNT dey do a google search. (we ent backward)
Ethnicity/race: East Indian (a local term—primarily immigrants from northern India) 40.3%, black 39.5%, mixed 18.4%, white 0.6%, Chinese and other 1.2%
Religions: Roman Catholic 29.4%, Hindu 23.8%, Anglican 10.9%, Islam 5.8%, Presbyterian 3.4%, other 26.7%
Literacy rate: 99% (2003 est.)
we cyah use our values and paradigms an say them fellas should take remidial classes or they need to beef up on communication skills... they doing what they do best..... :chilling:
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[quote author=greenpea link=topic=7897.msg66910#msg66910
if communication is a weakness then something really wrong because is african, italian, french, german and dialects galore we going to bounce up in germany.... japanese, arabic....
exactly
yuh now prove meh point
look how much people going and be there and we need to go and communicate with all of them
and how we going to do that if we cannot even speak our own language properly?
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trinidad is my land , of which i am proud and glad,
tan, tan
an ah cyah understand, why some people does talk it bad
dar, dar, dar
some ah them jus running dey mouth,
doh know what dey talking bout,
boy de ting dey does say bout here,
is really too much for me to bear.... :chilling:
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trinidad is my land , of which i am proud and glad,
tan, tan
an ah cyah understand, why some people does talk it bad
dar, dar, dar
some ah them jus running dey mouth,
doh know what dey talking bout,
boy de ting dey does say bout here,
is really too much for me to bear.... :chilling:
you misunderstand everything I say yes
but I go join in with yuh
Our sugar and oil is very refined
you see firends this is ah real king Solomon mine
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[quote author=greenpea link=topic=7897.msg66910#msg66910
if communication is a weakness then something really wrong because is african, italian, french, german and dialects galore we going to bounce up in germany.... japanese, arabic....
exactly
yuh now prove meh point
look how much people going and be there and we need to go and communicate with all of them
and how we going to do that if we cannot even speak our own language properly?
but sir.... OUR own language is an english dialect.... an anyting dem boy say i could understand... thank god dey break biche an skip de occasional english class to play some football...
when ah was youngh ah work in de oilfields... plenty expatriates running golf course an' making exclusive club. none ah we thought them ting was right... when the expat gone an' we take over what yuh think happen... we run ting de same way.... (for those who don't get it... people bad talk the dialect etc till we feel is a bad ting... now we doing de same ting... we downcrying our stuff ..... aye, love yuhself, understand what going on here.... doh matter who talk good or bad we have to be there for each other... all ah we is trini to de bone...) ....... :chilling:
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trinidad is my land , of which i am proud and glad,
tan, tan
an ah cyah understand, why some people does talk it bad
dar, dar, dar
some ah them jus running dey mouth,
doh know what dey talking bout,
boy de ting dey does say bout here,
is really too much for me to bear.... :chilling:
you misunderstand everything I say yes
but I go join in with yuh
Our sugar and oil is very refined
you see firends this is ah real king Solomon mine
total respect... :chilling:
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Some people are missing the point here. Most of these almost all of these players passed through our secondary school system and the last time I checked they taught English. Not Trinidad dialect.
So the problem started from there. What they failed to learn is showing up now. Yes they are talented but as was rightfully stated they are ambassadors. So it is not as if they are choosing to use the green verbs and say words like ONLIEST it is just that they do not know better.
It is not a choice. Some people here could choose to speak well or choose not too. Some People have no choice that is all they know.
It is up to us to show the future Whitleys and Lawrences that you could be talented with a ball and talented with a book too.
Do not try to make this debate about the type of Language you speak, beit trini or the Queen's English, it is about the fact that they went through five years of Secondary school English and still using words - IN AN INTERVIEW - LIKE ONLIEST
If it were acceptable why did Dwight Improve his English note I said improve his English and not himself. If you believe that doing one is doing then next, well that is a different debate altogether. In the meantime I am all for the classes.
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trinidad is my land , of which i am proud and glad,
tan, tan
an ah cyah understand, why some people does talk it bad
dar, dar, dar
some ah them jus running dey mouth,
doh know what dey talking bout,
boy de ting dey does say bout here,
is really too much for me to bear.... :chilling:
Patriotism is great, but when it blinds you to demands of the global society that we live in.....you only end up hurting the same country that you love, by living in ignorance and retarding your own development.........eatin' shark and bake and wining down to the ground, and knowing how to cut a coconut doesn't not give you a competitive advantage outside of your own country.......because every country has a rich culture, history, traditions, a unique society, and unique practices.......
I'm not ashamed of the Trini dialect one bit...and I have no problem if our boys use Trini slangs and show some of the colour of our language to the world if they get interviewed...(yuh never know, some of the slangs might pick up worldwide).....but when yuh can't construct a proper sentence, and can't use the correct form of a verb, that's nothing to be proud of......That's not the characteristics of Trinidad that I would boast of.......Not knowing how to communicate effectively GLOBALLY is not what T&T stands for.....It's probably not a big deal in the whole scheme of things though so I won't get carried away....... It's one thing to pardon it, but don't act like it's an added value.....it's not.
The first step to improvement and development is recognizing areas that need development. If you listen to many of our athletes speak and determine that there is no need for any of them to improve their communication skills, then you're living in ignorance or just being hard headed for the sake of a good argument on the forum.......
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trinidad is my land , of which i am proud and glad,
tan, tan
an ah cyah understand, why some people does talk it bad
dar, dar, dar
some ah them jus running dey mouth,
doh know what dey talking bout,
boy de ting dey does say bout here,
is really too much for me to bear.... :chilling:
Patriotism is great, but when it blinds you to demands of the global society that we live in.....you only end up hurting the same country that you love, by living in ignorance and retarding your own development.........eatin' shark and bake and wining down to the ground, and knowing how to cut a coconut doesn not give you a competitive advantage outside of your own country.......because every country has a rich culture, history, traditions, society, and unique practices.......
I'm not ashamed of the Trini dialect one bit...and I have no problem if our boys use Trini slangs and show some of the colour of our language to the world if they get interviewed...(yuh never know, some of the slangs might pick up worldwide).....but when yuh can't construct a proper sentence, and can't use the correct form of a verb, that's nothing to be proud of......That's not the characteristics of Trinidad that I would boast of.......Not knowing how to communicate effectively GLOBALLY is not what T&T stands for.....It's probably not a big deal in the whole scheme of things though. It's one thing to pardon it, but don't act like it's an added value.....it's not.
The first step to improvement and development is recognizing areas that need development. If you listen to many of our athletes speak and determine that there is no need for any of them to improve their communication skills, then you're living in ignorance or just being hard headed for the sake of a good argument on the forum.......
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you ever hear darrel brown speak..... :-\
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now we talking....
1) five years in secondary school and now some remedial school may help???? let's say we schedule a couple courses in basic english between now and June '06... How do we quantify the improvement in say three identified breddas. Crash course in the english reader or de students companion... or say we just ban anybody from using onliest... I understand what dat mean... de man communicating... de problem may lie in de level of communication deemed acceptable by de communication police... which last time i checked could only use that education and communication crutch to make demselves seem important in their own eyes... i repeat if a man say onliest in french, german, japanese, arabic most of us would be quite indifferent .... he does not embarrass his country or demean its education system. Anyone who supports this is in fact simply trying to maintain a status quo... ie. this is the way it should be...
2) if anyone really listened to the dialects in England you would swear some of them were foreign languages.... how yuh think Jamaican, Bajan and Trini sound so different. This starting to sound like wind up toys ..... proper english = good communication.... small point people may overlook---- clearly proper english didn't get us to de world cup.... more like blood, sweat and tears... :chilling:
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maybe ah should start ah new topic... diversity and inclusion training for TNT fans..... it seems we (sadly) need it more than our soccer players need remedial training.... :chilling:
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anybody think we should send them fellas on ah lil English Speaking course before the world cup
I listening to Theobald interview tonight and the man using words like "Onliest" amongst others
now how it go look them fellas reach Germany and ah man push ah camera infront he or some next warrior face and them kind ah words coming out
onliest though ? ........de accent is ours to be proud of.....the slang and colourful ways of expression- cool to a certain extent............but words like onliest.......... can't endorse that
Do not try to make this debate about the type of Language you speak, beit trini or the Queen's English, it is about the fact that they went through five years of Secondary school English and still using words - IN AN INTERVIEW - LIKE ONLIEST
Bredda leh we clear this up......
From google search,
Main Entry: Alone
Part of Speech: adjective 1
Definition: separate
Synonyms: abandoned, apart, batching it, by itself, companionless, deserted, desolate, detached, forlorn, forsaken, friendless, hermit, in solitary, individual, isolated, lone, lonely, lonesome, onliest, only, shag, single, sole, solitary, solo, stag, traveling light, unaccompanied, unaided, unassisted, unattached, unattended, unescorted, unmarried, widowed
Antonyms: accompanied, crowded, grouped, mobbed, together
Source: Roget's New Millennium™ Thesaurus, First Edition (v 1.1.1)
Copyright © 2005 by Lexico Publishing Group, LLC. All rights reserved.
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I honestly had no idea that onliest was a word but it just goes to show that there is a thin line between acceptable and unacceptable.... our role is to accept our players with their weaknesses in education and help them where possible..... buh that hold for every Trini everywhere .... root theme is respecting the knowledge that everyone has.... kinda like de fable with de lion and de mouse.... :chilling:
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I am not saying that the men are stupid!
I am saying thatregardless of who you are, what you do, you need to seek self improvement.
If that comes in the form of a beeter command of English, then go ahead.
If it comes in the form of motivation...go ahead.
My signature is: Education is a progressive discovery of our own ignorance.
So you cannot tell me about the joys and pains of learning.
If one of those boys were to break his knee tomorrow I hope he has enough money to earn a living similar to what he is currently earning.
Because I would not hire him to write a report for me.
That is the value of a formal education.
I can guarantee that greenpea will NEVER trade whatever formal education he has ..never!
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I am saying that regardless of who you are, what you do, you need to seek self improvement.
Have to agree wholeheartedly with this ... no ifs, buts/ ands ... :chilling:
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Ah back at this again.
Obviously there is a misunderstanding of the thread, and I apologise if I did.
If we are saying that the guys have to improve their communication skills as part of their growth, then I fully agree. However Dwigth, Stern, Latapy and Lara did not become as articulate or improve their speech overnight.
So we have to face the fact that the younger less exposed players in the team will speak how they know to.
There is not enough time from now to the end of Trinidad's involvement in the WC to fix this and to my mind it is secondary, between now and then football should be the only thing these guys need to improve.
So I reiterate, if yuh feel embarrassed by how dem boys speak, then turn off the volume !!!
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trinidad is my land , of which i am proud and glad,
tan, tan
an ah cyah understand, why some people does talk it bad
dar, dar, dar
some ah them jus running dey mouth,
doh know what dey talking bout,
boy de ting dey does say bout here,
is really too much for me to bear.... :chilling:
Patriotism is great, but when it blinds you to demands of the global society that we live in.....you only end up hurting the same country that you love, by living in ignorance and retarding your own development.........eatin' shark and bake and wining down to the ground, and knowing how to cut a coconut doesn't not give you a competitive advantage outside of your own country.......because every country has a rich culture, history, traditions, a unique society, and unique practices.......
My apoligies aforehand to slights unintended and unforeseen... :chilling:
Aside: On the question of competitive advantages,
1. Some advantages are quicker to translate into jobs and cashflow. A good education is pretty obvious here but its not the only competitive advantage we take from living in TNT. Just being exposed to the diversity in our country is a HUGE COMPETITIVE ADVANTAGE, intangibles like tolerance and tangibles like exposure to roti and shark & bake are advantages that we have ----- with a lil' entreupreneurial impetus we can engage in a multitude of pursuits. Understand that having a competitive advantage is not the same as being able to actually use it since that falls on the individual himself.
2. I'll fight to the end if someone tell me wining is not a competitive advantage.... yuh know how dey talk bout snake oil and ball bearing in yuh waist... dey have use fuh dat too.... on top ah dat trinis basically friendly .... ah jus' keeping it real...
3. As for de demands of a global society... consider a basic law in physics... for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction... (take mih word on it)... so for every wannabe executive (with blinders) who immerses himself into the rat race there's somebody with burnout who's trying to get out. what many percieve to be a 'demand' is usually a self sustained and insatiable desire to 'get ahead'.... funny though, cause life is a zero sum game since we all come in with nothing and we all die with nothing.
4. This may or may not be relevant but consider Birchall.... prior to qualification it was implied that he used the phrase "me mum" a lot... i don't have a problem with that .... buh guess what, it seemed nobody else had a problem with that either... go figure.... :chilling: