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'Beenhakker' Tees Off In Mexico
Tuesday 3rd June 2003
By Danny Kazandjian (La Cronica)
Staff at CF America, Mexico's richest club, will be brushing up on their golf swings and pronunciation following Monday's announcement that Dutchman Leo Beenhakker will begin a second coaching stint at the club on 1 July. The veteran coach quit his post as technical director with Ajax Amsterdam, citing personal reasons, and will resume his career in the Mexican first division. He is reportedly on a two year contract worth $2 million a year plus a house with helicopter transport to and from work.
The former championship winning coach with Real Madrid and Ajax who has coached at 10 professional clubs in five countries led America in the 1993-94 season, but after forging an exciting Eagles team that was storming ahead at the top of the league he was sacked after a series of run-ins with the then president, Emilio Diez Barroso.
The two men used to hold weekly meetings to discuss club affairs, but Panchito Hernandez, an official with the club at the time, has revealed that on one particular occasion Beenhakker declined to attend a Monday meeting as he had a round of golf already arranged. He was asked to come in on Tuesday instead but refused due to a scheduled appointment with the Dutch embassy, and then refused to meet the following day, too.
Hernandez, who forecasts that Beenhakker "will divide the team" and who dismisses him as a "man who came to play golf then, and does the same thing now", also warns staff to get the former Netherlands and Saudi Arabia coach's name right. It's Beenhakker, not Beenjakker.
"They should take care, they should watch out if they pronounce his surname with a 'j' when the correct way is with an 'h'," he told La Cronica. "Bad diction irritates the man. In fact, that would upset him so much I wouldn't be surprised if he decides to leave before the end of the season".
Despite those unusual warnings current America president Javier Perez Teuffer is delighted with his capture and claimed that Beenhakker, whose coaching career has spanned four decades, was the coach the fans wanted. In his first spell in Mexico City Beenhakker presided over 18 wins, nine draws and only four defeats, converting America into a goal machinegun, with prize recruit, the Cameroonian Francois Oman Biyik, leading the way with 33 of the 78 goals America scored in those 31 matches. After he left that season America lost four of their final five games and were knocked out in the semi-finals. Beenhakker returned to Mexico with the Chivas in 1994-95, where he presided over Guadalajara's 5-0 drubbing of America.
Perez Teuffer is looking for more of the same offensive output as America desperately attempts to shake of its underachiever tag. Owned by television station Televisa America has won only one title in 13 years, the 2002 Clausura under just departed coach Manuel Lapuente. This season they failed to make it to the knockout stage at all.
"We want a champion side, we want a full stadium, we want to be united with the fans and we want a spectacular team," said Perez Teuffer. The question is, does Beenjakker the golf enthusiast want the same thing?
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Football coach abducted in Mexico
BBC News
Mexican police are hunting for the coach of one of the country's biggest football clubs, who has been kidnapped.
Omar Romano, an Argentine national, was dragged from his car and bundled into another vehicle outside the training ground of his club, Cruz Azul.
Mayor Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador said his officials would do everything to ensure Mr Romano's safe return.
Mexico City has one of the worst records in the world for kidnappings - usually for ransom.
'Well-organised'
Police said they had few clues about who seized Mr Romano, 47.
Armed men in two 4x4 cars cut off his vehicle, fired an assault rifle and dragged him off, local media reports.
"Whoever did this kidnapping is a perfectly well-organised group," said police chief Joel Ortega.
He said no ransom demands had been received but local radio stations report the gang may have left a ransom note in a church asking for 5m pesos (£270,000).
Mr Romano, who has reversed first-division Cruz Azul's fortunes since taking over last December, is said to earn a monthly salary of up to $100,000 (£57,000).
Mexico has one of the highest number of kidnappings in the world, with some 3,000 reported cases in 2003.
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The style of play in this league much easier to watch than EPL. (other than Arsenal). Doh even talk for SPL.
Comparing EPL to de Mexican league and the capability of our players breaking into both.
Seems like we might have less players who cud manage in the Mexican system...at least it seem so to me.
I wud say Spann is a player might do well there. Better go Mexico than Japan I say.
Next thing. The players from T&T that getting them UK contracts are the ones most suited for the style over there...Stern with his hold up play...Rougier with his strength...Andrews with his aerial ability managing despite other issues.
Cud it be that only these UK compatible type players are rising to the top in our talent pool becase of agents like Mike Berry who specialize in all things UK and nowhere else. Could a man like Whitley make it somewhere else and improve beyond what the PFL is doing for him?
I just think it have players at home who cud make it in key markets like Mexico if we had the right agents and machinery to push them there. We only had one or two players going to portugal after the initial strike squad players.
I eh know. I think we selling our players short if we just satisfied with this UK market. MLS is another place we getting our players into which is good.
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MLS is another place we getting our players into which is good.
We have had players in de MLS since de inception of de league, but for the most part it has not worked out well. Here is a previous discussion on de topic: The MLS is not the best place for T&T players (http://www.socawarriorssc.com/swonline/smf/index.php?topic=866.0)
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The Mexican League is a fairly good one. There were several African Internationals playing there at one time. I used to follow the League when I was in California. Lots of Central Americans as well. I never heard any negative comments in the press so I do not know of any racist incidents. Yuh must be dream up dat one. Ah know it have some issues because of their controversial President Vicente Fox and de Stamp and his unsavory comments but let we avoid the unhealthy attitude of putting a whole nation in a box even though their litercay rate eh too high.
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Article taken from the BBC
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/timvickery/2010/02/mexicans_mount_copa_libertador.html
Mexico mounts multiple Copa challenge
Post categories: Football
Tim Vickery | 08:14 UK time, Monday, 8 February 2010
One of the less orthodox after effects of swine flu is the headache it gives the administrators of South America's premier club competition.
In last year's version of the Copa Libertadores, two Mexican sides, Chivas Guadalajara and San Luis, made it out of the group phase.
But how could they stage the home leg of their second round ties? It was at the height of the swine flu epidemic, with Mexico at its epicentre.
The South American Federation unsuccessfully tried to find an alternate venue, gave up and announced that the fate of the Mexican clubs would be decided on a single match, the away leg.
Chivas and San Luis pulled out in protest, and Mexico - which is in North America and participates in the tournament on an invitation basis - broke off relations with South American football.
A Chile Everton fan wears a face mask in 2009 as his team take on Mexico's Chivas
It didn't last. There is too much to be gained from the current arrangement.
Mexico's clubs take part in a top class, traditional competition, while TV money for the South Americans is boosted by the exposure to the massive Mexican market.
A peace formula was soon found. Part of it was that Chivas and San Luis would be reinstated in this year's version of the Libertadores - at the stage where they pulled out in 2009.
So the group phase kicks off this week, but the Mexican pair don't have to go through it. They are already through to the second round.
This means that the group phase of the 2010 Libertadores will be the most competitive in the 51 versions of the competition. For many years, the group phase was a phoney war.
Twenty teams went in to it, just five were eliminated and the other 15 joined the holders in the knock out rounds. Then, a decade ago, the competition was expanded, with 32 teams chasing 16 slots.
This year, because of the automatic qualification of Chivas and San Luis, there are only 14 slots available - and coming second in the group will not guarantee one of them. Only the eight group winners and the six best runners up will make the cut.
The pressure is on right from the start.
With the two extra Mexicans, and also a brief qualifying round, a record 40 clubs are taking part in this year's Libertadores. The competition has come a long way since it kicked off in 1960 with just seven participants.
The early giants, who carved up the first four titles, were Penarol of Uruguay and Santos of Brazil. Their two countries, though, saw the Libertadores through very different perspectives.
For Uruguay it was a godsend . A population of only three million placed an inevitable limitation on the possibilities of domestic football. International club competition soon became a necessity - and with a pair of big clubs (Nacional as well as Penarol), the Uruguayans lobbied for the Libertadores to be expanded from one team per country to two.
Argentine team Estudiantes and their captain Juan Sebastian Veron celebrate winning the 2009 Copa
When they were successful in 1966, Brazil pulled out in protest. Giant and relatively isolated from its Spanish-speaking neighbours, Brazil could do without the Libertadores. Santos opted not to take part. They would rather travel the world playing lucrative friendlies. And in 1969 and 70, as well as 66, there was no Brazilian participation.
Times have changed - especially since Brazil conquered hyper-inflation in the mid 90s. Previously, the clubs could meet their commitments by paying late. Suddenly they were living in the real world. And over time, the penny dropped that the Libertadores, expanded and with increased TV money, was a much more interesting competition than Brazil's obsolete state championships - from both a financial and a footballing point of view.
The Libertadores is now the number one objective of Brazilian clubs. With motivation high, the currency strong and a longer national domestic league introduced in 2003, Brazil's representatives have become the teams to beat in the Libertadores. They have provided seven of the last 10 finalists, and last year supplied four of the last eight. But in each of the last three years, the title has eluded them.
This year's contingent looks like the biggest display of strength in depth that Brazil has ever sent to the Libertadores - spearheaded by Corinthians, desperate to record their first win in their centenary year.
If lack of maturity on the big occasion has been the problem in recent finals, it shouldn't apply to Corinthians. Ronaldo and Roberto Carlos are part of a squad rich in veterans, apparently hand picked to withstand the pressure of the campaign.
Where is the threat going to come from for them and their compatriots? Part of the charm of the competition is that you can never be entirely sure.
The Libertadores always has the potential to throw up a surprise.
Some trends can be identified, though. Uruguay has seven titles, but none since 1988. Paraguay has three (all Olimpia, who have not qualified), but local standards have suffered since Mexican clubs have been buying so many Paraguayan players.
Colombia has two titles, and threatened to become a force in mid-decade, but have since fallen badly backwards.
Ecuador has one title - the rising force of LDU in 2008. But they just failed to qualify this year. Chile has one title, but though there are slight signs of a revival, it is years since a Chilean club made a serious challenge.
Mexico has never won, though their clubs have put in some splendid performances since they were invited in 12 years ago. And this year they have four teams in the field, with Chivas and San Luis, as we have seen, already in the last 16.
But the obvious place to look for likely challengers is Argentina. Between 1963 and 79 there was always an Argentine club in the final, giving the Libertadores a special place in the country's footballing culture.
The country can boast 22 wins to Brazil's 13, with two in the last three years. Last year's win was emblematic. Estudiantes threw off their own poor start to deservedly win the trophy in a campaign where all their compatriots were eliminated early.
There is a fascinating aspect to the Argentine representation in 2010. In a year full of powerful Brazilian clubs, none of the traditional Argentine big five have qualified - only the third time this has ever happened.
Can the likes of little Banfield, current Argentine champions, do battle against the Brazilians? There is an excellent gauge of the two countries' strengths in the first week. On Wednesday Velez Sarsfield, probably the strongest of the Argentine sides, host Cruzeiro of Brazil, last year's beaten finalists.
It is a wonderful way to get the 51st Libertadores out of the blocks - especially as there is a chance that only one team from the group will reach the next round.
Comments on the piece in the space provided. Other questions on South American football to vickerycolumn@hotmail.com, and I'll pick out a couple for next week.
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Mexican club replace players’ names with Twitter handles on shirts
By Brooks Peck (Yahoo! Sports)
A month ago, Valencia took Twitter account promotion to a new level by using their official club account in place of a shirt sponsor, but now Mexican Primera Division side Jaguares take that idea even further.
In a bid to get their players (and beer sponsor) a few more followers, the club -- which was founded in 2002 -- replaced their actual names on the back of their shirts with each player's individual Twitter handle. The club also colored the lettering on the orange home shirts in a Twitter teal (or blue...whatever) along with the social networking site's bird logo.
Some clubs and leagues around the world already publish player Twitter accounts on official websites and programs, so this is kind of a genius way to spread the word on that method of fan interaction even further. Of course, it also proves that we are all nothing more than Twitter accounts. Mine's @DirtyTackle, by the way.
(http://l.yimg.com/a/p/sp/editorial_image/01/0141ecb4378c8104d46f6f40301943a7/mexican_club_replace_players_names_on_shirts_with_their_twitter_handles.jpg)
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Brilliant!
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http://www.youtube.com/w/v/RS0gPQWOpkc
Omar "El Gato" Ortiz arrested
MONTERREY, Mexico -- Suspended first-division soccer goalkeeper Omar "El Gato" Ortiz has been arrested in connection to his alleged participation in a kidnapping ring, Mexican police announced Saturday.
Ortiz, whose nickname means "The Cat," has been under a suspension after testing positive for steroids in April 2010, when he was playing with the Rayados of Monterrey.
Jorge Domene, the security spokesman for Nuevo Leon state, where Monterrey is located, said Ortiz worked with a gang responsible for at least 20 kidnappings.
Domene said Ortiz's job was to select wealthy victims because he moved in the same social circles.
The gang's victims allegedly included the husband of pop singer Gloria Trevi. Trevi has avoided commenting on the abduction, which reportedly occurred in October, but comments by Domene and state Attorney General Adrian de la Garza appeared to confirm that kidnapping. Her husband was apparently quickly freed.
The officials said Ortiz and three alleged accomplices were arrested earlier this week. They appeared to have no lawyer of record.
Ortiz is alleged to have become active in kidnappings that occurred in the second half of 2011. The gang allegedly demanded around 1 million pesos ($72,000) for the release of each victim.
Some local media in Monterrey had speculated that Ortiz himself had been abducted after he disappeared from view Wednesday. But prosecutors said he had been arrested at his home in a Monterrey suburb that day after two kidnapping suspects were detained Monday and implicated him in the crimes.
Prosecutors said that the suspects confessed to the abductions and that four criminal complaints had been filed against the gang. If convicted, Ortiz and the others could face prison sentences of up to 50 years.
(Associated Press)
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Jayson Joseph expected to sign with Mexican club
ttproleague.com
One of North East Stars pre-season midfield acquisitions, Jayson Joseph, is likely to sign with Mexican second division club Murcielagos FC this week.
This was revealed by Stars’ Head Coach Angus Eve on Thursday morning ahead of a light training session at the Larry Gomes Stadium.
“Jayson Joseph is with a second division Mexican team which is a very good standard. Most likely he would sign this week,” said the Stars’ coach.
Joseph joined the Sangre Grande club last month after spending the latter half of last season on T&TEC FC’s roster, but through agents of North East Stars, the 23 year old has a second go at joining a Mexican club.
Joseph’s first trial with a Mexican club was back in October, 2011, when he along with Trinidad and Tobago U23 teammates Micah Lewis and Kevin Molino were invited for a five-day trial with Mexican premier division club Pachuca FC, following T&T’s performances against hosts Mexico, Ecuador and Uruguay that caught the eyes of the Pachuca officials during the Pan American Games.
Eve was also the T&T U23 team coach at the time.
(http://ttproleague.com/images/stories/jayson%20joseph.jpg)
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Nice tidy player.
Good luck youth, it would be nice if he could get another T&T player there with him, them Mexicans does kinda keep to themselves.
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Nice tidy player.
Good luck youth, it would be nice if he could get another T&T player there with him, them Mexicans does kinda keep to themselves.
Hopefully he can learn spanish well and open up otions in Spain or at minimum catch on with a first division squad.
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Nice. Good stuff.
Effective nippy player that made T&T look damn good on the right wing against da same Mexican team that was in de the olympic finals.
Go brave my yout' and represent.
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Nice. Good stuff.
Effective nippy player that made T&T look damn good on the right wing against da same Mexican team that was in de the olympic finals.
Go brave my yout' and represent.
hm he should do well b/c that is the style of ball them fellas does run.
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All the best mouse :beermug:
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I heard is Derek King who organize for Jayson Joseph. Carlyle Mitchell now Jayson great job King :)
I believe he is working with an agent.
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(http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/427285_10151198575129314_1901747462_n.jpg)
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nice man, juega al futbol :beermug:
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Murciélagos FC signs Jayson Joseph.
ttproleague.com.
Trinidad and Tobago’s Jayson Joseph has secured a two year deal with Mexican Second Division side Murciélagos FC.
Unconfirmed, the 23 year old is only the second Trinidad and Tobago national to sign with a Mexican club after Everald ‘Gally’ Cummings with CD Veracruz between 1974 and 1976.
“Joseph signed for two seasons,” confirmed North East Stars head coach Angus Eve on Wednesday morning.
“They(Murciélagos) are a feeder team for Chivas. Their league is a very technical and tactical league and it’s a great achievement for Joseph and Trinidad and Tobago in leaps and bounds.
If ‘m not mistaken, He is only the second player from Trinidad and Tobago that has joined the Mexican leagues which is now proving its worth judging from the recent Olympics (which Mexico won gold).”
Murciélagos is currently 11th on the standings with 2 points from two matches.
Joseph who played under Eve with the T&T U-23s during Olympic qualifiers was snapped up by North East Stars last month after spending the latter half of last season on T&TEC FC’s roster.
And through agents working closely with the Sangre Grande club, Jayson was invited on trial in mid-August.
It was the second trial in Mexico for Joseph who back in October, 2011, along with Trinidad and Tobago U-23 teammates Micah Lewis and Kevin Molino were invited for a five-day trial with Mexican premier division club Pachuca FC, following T&T’s performances against hosts Mexico, Ecuador and Uruguay that caught the eyes of the Pachuca officials during the Pan American Games.
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We have alot of players getting sign, if we was really serious by 2018 we should have a real good squad.
If Jospeh play he cards right he go develop into a top player in that league.
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It nice to see they getting contracts. But is horrors when time for international fixtures.
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Dont want to get into the details, but both Jayson Joseph and Sheldon Bateau was not signed by any club.
All I can say is Angus Eve is trying hard to impress (NE Stars) and he is making it difficult for the players.
They are both close- but nothing official...
Stay Tuned.
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Joseph returns from Mexican stint
By Shaun Fuentes (TTFF)
National Under 23 team midfielder Jayson Joseph is expected back in Port of Spain on Tuesday following his trial with Mexican Second Division club Murciélagos FC.
Joseph will return to North East Stars contrary to a previous report that he had signed a two-year contract.
Despite having to return home after the deal was not completed, the Fyzabad-born player said he benefited from the experience which saw him spend just over three weeks at the club.
“The experience was benefiting even though I’m disappointed not to have secured a contract,” Joseph told TTFF Media.
“Everything was spot on. I was able to learn a bit of the Spanish language because that became necessary and practical in the day to day operations at the club and helped me in being able to communication with the players and the coaching staff,” he added.
"The players and the people in general know of Trinidad and Tobago and the history of us playing them in World Cup qualifiers and of course our Under 23 team drew with them last year at the Pan American Games. They are so football crazy there. Everything is down to specifics and they treat their preparations very seriously. I think there is a lot that we can learn from them to try and help our game improve as players and overall in the game"
Joseph played in four practice games and scored two goals during his time at the club. He was also on trial at Pachuca last year with Kevin Molino and Micah Lewis.
“I think there was break down somewhere in the negotiations with my overseas agent but I’m still looking forward to returning to North East and featuring at the start of the Pro League season and hopefully another opportunity will come up along the way,” Joseph ended.
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So Angus Eve is a mad man then? :o
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So Angus Eve is a mad man then? :o
You say mad man, i say CLOWN!!!
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dont study that jayson better days ahead. What dont break yuh does make yuh.
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Dont want to get into the details, but both Jayson Joseph and Sheldon Bateau was not signed by any club.
All I can say is Angus Eve is trying hard to impress (NE Stars) and he is making it difficult for the players.
They are both close- but nothing official...
Stay Tuned.
How so? I thought I read that Angus said that they didn't want a fee and this was all about the players getting their chance? If the club wanted the player and North East didn't want a fee, the only other possibility must be that the agent wanted too much? It is such a shame that Angus and North East are really trying to help players move overseas and still the deal falls through.
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So Angus Eve is a mad man then? :o
Not necessarily. It is often the case that clubs can agree to sign players but the deal falls through due to "personal terms" (which usually means that the agent isn't getting what he wants!) It would be interesting to know the circumstances here.
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So Angus Eve is a mad man then? :o
Not necessarily. It is often the case that clubs can agree to sign players but the deal falls through due to "personal terms" (which usually means that the agent isn't getting what he wants!) It would be interesting to know the circumstances here.
But again, the question arises, who are these mystery shithound agents in trinidad and tobago? They treat these boys like animal!
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So Angus Eve is a mad man then? :o
Not necessarily. It is often the case that clubs can agree to sign players but the deal falls through due to "personal terms" (which usually means that the agent isn't getting what he wants!) It would be interesting to know the circumstances here.
But again, the question arises, who are these mystery shithound agents in trinidad and tobago? They treat these boys like animal!
I'm not aware of any licensed agent in T&t. In fact I don't believe agents need a licence here. I know one or two decent guys who assist players, but I don't know how much they charge (if anything). To be honest, most players in T&T really don't need agents.
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they must need agents. what u mean dont need agents?
Who will see them. its the agent who go to clubs and speak on behalf of the player, as well as send dem video clips and stuff in order to get the trials.
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I'm not aware of any licensed agent in T&t. In fact I don't believe agents need a licence here. I know one or two decent guys who assist players, but I don't know how much they charge (if anything). To be honest, most players in T&T really don't need agents.
Strongly disagree... and we wonder why our football not being taken seriously, how can it when we refuse to treat football as a "profession". Every professional athlete needs to have an agent to help negotiate the best circumstance for the player. Without an agent who is going to handle contract negotiations? Arrange scouting and trials? Who will pursue the interest of the player when said interest is averse to the club's interest? Who will stand up to management on behalf of the player?
As for local agents... not sure who is on the ground in TnT, but there are foreign based agents who are representing players in TnT, and it's not all the likes of Mike Berry and other Jack Warner sycophants. Happened upon this site (http://www.tidisports.com/05-about.htm) while looking up info on Andy Salandy tonigth.
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Joseph keen to return to North East.
By: Shaun Fuentes.
Despite being unable to secure a contract after completing his trial in Mexico, T&T Olympic team midfielder Jayson Joseph is eager to put on the North East Stars strip in the upcoming T&T Pro League season.
The ex-T&TEC player will be one of Angus Eve’s attractions in his squad which includes a line up of local talent including Cornell Glen, Micah Lewis and Kerry Baptiste among others. “I’m still looking forward to rejoining North East.
I’ve played under Angus Eve at the national level and we have a good understanding. “Hopefully I can continue where I left off and bring something extra to the club and help them win trophies this season.
“I’m really excited about the coming season because I believe there are opportunities waiting to be taken and it’s a good chance for players like me to follow our dreams,” Joseph said.
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I'm not aware of any licensed agent in T&t. In fact I don't believe agents need a licence here. I know one or two decent guys who assist players, but I don't know how much they charge (if anything). To be honest, most players in T&T really don't need agents.
Strongly disagree... and we wonder why our football not being taken seriously, how can it when we refuse to treat football as a "profession". Every professional athlete needs to have an agent to help negotiate the best circumstance for the player. Without an agent who is going to handle contract negotiations? Arrange scouting and trials? Who will pursue the interest of the player when said interest is averse to the club's interest? Who will stand up to management on behalf of the player?
As for local agents... not sure who is on the ground in TnT, but there are foreign based agents who are representing players in TnT, and it's not all the likes of Mike Berry and other Jack Warner sycophants. Happened upon this site (http://www.tidisports.com/05-about.htm) while looking up info on Andy Salandy tonigth.
"Ah We" Tobago boy.
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I'm not aware of any licensed agent in T&t. In fact I don't believe agents need a licence here. I know one or two decent guys who assist players, but I don't know how much they charge (if anything). To be honest, most players in T&T really don't need agents.
Strongly disagree... and we wonder why our football not being taken seriously, how can it when we refuse to treat football as a "profession". Every professional athlete needs to have an agent to help negotiate the best circumstance for the player. Without an agent who is going to handle contract negotiations? Arrange scouting and trials? Who will pursue the interest of the player when said interest is averse to the club's interest? Who will stand up to management on behalf of the player?
As for local agents... not sure who is on the ground in TnT, but there are foreign based agents who are representing players in TnT, and it's not all the likes of Mike Berry and other Jack Warner sycophants. Happened upon this site (http://www.tidisports.com/05-about.htm) while looking up info on Andy Salandy tonigth.
Having dealt with agents, both good and bad, the problem that players have is how to tell the difference. Certainly, for talented players moving overseas to fair sized clubs, an agent is essential. The question that players should ask and clubs usually do ask is: Is this move for the benefit of me, or the agent?
I have seen very talented youngsters move from League 1 to the EPL and never play a game. In one instance the player went off the rails as his salary as a 17 year old went from £500 per week to £20,000. He partied a lot, got some injuries in training, got released and never fulfilled his potential. He just wasn't ready for the EPL.
A few years later, a young lad named Matt Jarvis was attracting interest from EPL clubs. I advised his parents to let him go to a big Championship team, learn the game and then move up. He went to Wolves, got promoted and played for England. An agent was involved, but the parents guided him all the way.
In the first case, it was my belief that the move was wrong for the club and wrong for the player, but it was great for the agent.
In T&T, most players know all of the Pro League coaches and can negotiate their own deals. Its usually a case of "this is what we can offer, take it or leave it"
But Pro League clubs need to promote their players and handle negotiations. Obviously, there could be examples of the clubs acting in their best interests instead of the players. If thats the case, they should be exposed. But players from T&T don't usually attract big fees. It's the sell on fee that matters to Pro League clubs and that doesn't need to involve an agent.
I have advised Trinis on moves to the Far East and in most cases, my advice was "don't do it". The agents involved wanted 10% of the players salary, which I don't believe is fair. Agents should be paid by the club or from the players signing bonus.
I don't oppose agents, if fact we worked through an agent to sign Graham Rix, but I also don't believe that agents are always essential. My litmus test for an agent is simple: what will he do for you when you are released? There are endless stories about young lads moving overseas and when they get released they have no income and no ticket home.
An agent has great responsibility and the good ones work hard for their money. The bad ones move from country to country, make a few bucks and move on.
This is only my opinion, and I'm sure many of you will feel differently.
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Cruz Azul vs America.
Cruz Azul had this in the bag, and America score 2 in the 89th and 93rd minute to tie it on aggregate and send it to extra time.
They calling it an own goal, but the keeper run up and his header was going in touch or no touch.
the atmosphere in the Azteca is amazing.
1st half of extra time still going on Univision, America down to 10 men since the 15th minute
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Penalties!
Cruz Azul - Save by the keeper!
America - Goal
Cruz Azul - slip as he kicks - Over the Bar!
America - Goal
Cruz Azul - Goal
America - Goal
Cruz Azul - Goal
America - for the championship....riot police already in place...
Gooooooooooooooooooooolllllllll
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Why this fella etching the name on the trophy in the rain?
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Goalkeeper did a superman and score yes
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Paraguay’s Darío Verón accused of calling opponent ‘a monkey
The Guardian
Officials from Mexican football’s disciplinary committee are investigating the Pumas captain Darío Verón after he was accused of making racist comments by Club América players during the second leg of a Liga MX semi-final on Sunday.
The América goalkeeper Moisés Muñoz alleged the Paraguay international called Darwin Quintero a “monkey”, while the complaint submitted to the league also included accusations the defender also insulted Michael Arroyo.
Verón has denied the allegations, stating he did not approach Quintero during the match. “I’m calm because I didn’t say anything,” he said. “I didn’t do anything. I didn’t get into it with them, and surely they don’t know how to lose. Nothing more.”
Pumas lost the second leg 3-1 but progressed to next week’s two-leg final against Tigres after winning the first leg 3-0.
Mexico probes Pumas player racism claim
AFP & tenSport
Mexican government and football authorities are investigating claims that Pumas captain Dario Veron used racial slurs against two black players from Club America during last weekend's league semi-final game.
Veron, a Paraguayan defender, is accused of making discriminatory insults against Carlos Darwin Quintero of Colombia and Ecuador's Michael Arroyo during Sunday's game between the Mexico City arch-rivals.
Quintero said Veron called him an "ape," a charge that Pumas denied.
The governmental National Council to Prevent Discrimination said Monday it was investigating the "alleged racists comments" by Veron against Quintero. It did not say what kind of sanctions could be imposed.
The Mexican football federation's disciplinary committee said it was investigating "alleged acts of discrimination" by Veron against Quintero as well as Arroyo.
A federation spokesman said the committee may issue a decision on Wednesday on the eve of the final.
Pumas lost the semi-final's second leg 3-1 but won on aggregate 4-3, advancing to the final against Tigres of Monterrey, which will be played over two games on Thursday and Sunday.
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(http://euro.mediotiempo.com//media/2016/01/30/baloy-vern-1.jpg)
Prior to yesterday's LigaMX match between Atlas and Pumas, Felipe Baloy (Atlas) refused to shake hands with Darío Verón (Pumas). When Baloy played with Santos, he accused Verón (who is Pumas' captain) of racial abuse and spitting at/on him. Baloy says he won't forgive or forget (the incident occurred in 2010).
Darío Verón is the same player accused of racial abuse by two other players (Carlos Darwin Quintero and Michael Arroyo; both of Club América) in December. (Quintero was a teammate of Baloy's at Santos).
See the immediately previous post.
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U.S. Abroad: New barriers on Americans moving to Mexico
By Paul Kennedy, Soccer America.
Mexico's Liga MX resumes this weekend with the start of its 2016 Torneo Apertura. More Americans are playing in the top level of Mexico soccer than in any other foreign league in the world. But new rules will slow the tide of Mexican-Americans to clubs south of the border.
In 1998, the Mexican government changed its laws to allow dual citizenship, enabling U.S.-born Mexican-Americans to obtain Mexican citizenship and making them attractive to Mexican clubs. They have recruited aggressively in the United States, scouting at showcases to attract young Americans into their academy programs.
But recent enforcement of FIFA's Article 19, introduced in 2001 to protect minors in reaction to what was described as human trafficking in soccer, means that most Mexican clubs are no longer able to register players under the age of 18 residing in the United States.
U.S. internationals in Liga MX:
GP PLAYER, CURRENT CLUB
253 Jose Torres, Tigres
235 Edgar Castillo, Monterrey
160 Michael Orozco, Tijuana
97 William Yarbrough, Leon
67 Greg Garza, Tijuana
52 Jonathan Bornstein, Queretaro
49 Paul Arriola, Tijuana
38 Ventura Alvarado, Club America
22 Omar Gonzalez, Pachuca
9 Luis Gil, Queretaro
8 Miguel Ibarra, Leon
Players who came as minors include Ventura Alvarado, Edgar Castillo and Jose Torres, who have all parlayed their success in Mexico into significant roles on the U.S. national team. None would be allowed to move to Mexico before their 18th birthday under the FIFA rule finally being enforced.
An exception for players living near the border and moving to a club nearby on the other side of the border allows Tijuana to recruit minors from Southern California. It started seven Americans, including U.S. international Paul Arriola, in the second leg of the 2016 final of Mexico's Sub-20 championship. (http://www.socceramerica.com/article/68994/eight-americans-start-in-mexico-sub-20-final.html)
A bigger long-term issue may be Mexico's new 10/8 rule, which requires that Liga MX clubs must dress a minimum of eight players who are Mexican-born. Until this year, Mexican roster rules limited clubs to five foreigners. Mexican-Americans did not count as foreigners, nor did naturalized Mexicans from other countries.
The new rule was intended to cut down on the number of imports from South American countries who took out Mexican citizenship and no longer counted against the five-player limit. But swept up in the new rule are Americans who moved to Mexico after their 19th birthday.
Mexican-Americans are still considered Mexican players for the purposes of the 10/8 rule if they had not turned 19 when they first registered in Mexico. That would include many of the players at Tijuana, like Alejandro Guido,John Requejo and Arriola, who signed with Xolos after their senior years at California high schools.
But players who move to Mexican clubs when they are older -- like Jonathan Bornstein, Luis Gil, Omar Gonzalez and Jorge Villafana after successful MLS careers -- are no longer considered Mexicans for the 10/8 rule but instead count against the limit of 10 foreigners on a game day roster.
That won't prevent players of Mexican descent from moving to Mexico. It just means they will have to compete against the pool of all other possible foreigners to gain the attention of Mexican clubs.
"I'm not a Mexican-American anymore," Tijuana's Greg Garza, who was 20 when he signed with Tijuana from Portugal's Estoril, told ESPN FC. "I'm a foreigner now."
Hercules Gomez, who also parlayed his success into Mexico into a trip on the U.S. national team to the 2010 World Cup and is back in MLS after playing for six Mexican clubs, told ESPN FC he would have never moved to Mexico if the current rules were in place and added that the transfer of Gonzalez, who helped Pachuca win the 2016 Torneo Clausura, would have never happened.
To believe Gomez, the effect of FIFA's Article 19 and Mexico's new 10/8 rule is that all Mexican-Americans under the age of 18 except Tijuana's Southern Californians and over 19 will be barred from moving to Mexico.
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... So what may happen is some may move closer to the border, if highly motivated.
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Anybody viewing de final? Ah appetizer for the Premier League session tomorrow.
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9 v 9. A slew of red cards pass. 106' in second period of extra time.
When van Basten sees this he will have more than enough support for his proposal to restrict complaints with refs to captains only. (http://m.bbc.com/sport/football/38423665)
Disgrace to the game.
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I was lucky to see both legs by accident in the same sports bar while visiting Atlanta.
Was real bachanal with the melee at the end! I was rolling with laughter!
On a serious note tho...my long held belief about not causing any drama when taking a PK held strong!
The first America player jumble the whole team!, he put down the ball bout three of four time and only adjusting adjusting it...next the camera show the Tigres' keeper going to goal, then they show the kicker again, with the damn ball in he stupid hand up by he stupid face!! Just put dong the ball and kick yuh gimme penalty nah man!
The rest is history and Club America never looked back from he jumbieng them...man everybody miss man!!