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Sports => Football => Topic started by: Socaman on November 30, 2005, 08:55:41 PM
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Just curious because i was havin ah debate earlier on with some fellas who believe that the game was a sell out. And i strongly disagree!!! What you people think?
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I know ppl think money pass but not to the players. Some ppl higher up it look like.
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De way dem men cry on dat field and run d risk of d country killing dem if it leak dat money pass...i ent think so
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well i was ah yute when de game play but older heads told me after the game that it was ah sellout and them had good reasoning too.
i will find out and tell allyuh the story them tell meh
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people say money pass..but i cant see that it was passed to the players...them men worked hard to get to that position to qualify and i doubt they were ready to throw it away for money
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I was only 4 years when they played that game against the USA but i doubted the players themselves will sell out a match. I would never question the effort of the players during that game. They tried there best and they just came up short. Jack Warner would have not sell that match because he love trinidad football with all his heart. This is a stupid speculation and trinis could old talk how much. I refuse to believe this dotish thing.
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I was wondering how many posts would go by before Mr. Warner name call in this.
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Well to me we get rob of a blatant penalty when philbert jones get push down by john doyle in de penalty box.
So to me if anything i find de refereeing was dodgy.
JAH BLESS RASTAFARI
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After 16 years allyuh go look to hit meh with this ?
I really hope money didn't pass, no lie i go cry again
plus ah still remember tanty in she all red sitting down after dey game bawling, like if somebod kill she chile in dey staduim. Cummings cry like ah baby and ah sure he didn't go strolling players.
Tanty pray before dey match during dey match and after dey match between crying...that, ah could never forget.
now ah feel to hit something hard :challenge:
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is it true dat there were grounds to disqualify us if we won, because we oversold tickets to teh national stadium.
Dat rumour has be knocked around.
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I was working in the Min oF Sport at the time.
We had packed 40k people in ah 25k stadium, all kinda bacchanal wid tickets, free passes, sponsors having they own way of getting people in etc. (there was a commission of inquiry after)
I personally was able to buy two tickets for the game in the ministry an den on de day before de game get 2 free tickets from baldy hernandez (RIP)
De talk about forfieting the game anyhow was a redherring dat Jack an dem pull so that man wouldna look at de real issues of why we lose.
De only way FIFA woulda get involved after the game if we won because of overcrowding , would have been if something had happened (like a stand collapsing and people getting injured or hurt).
After the game we employed some structural engineers to do a structural survey of the stadium an Jean pierre complex and we found that there was no structural fatigue and only normal wear and tear, lots of corrosion because of the proximity to the sea and many other operational faults . Like for instance, the stadium is not supposed to use potable water for maintenance purposes, there is a grey water system whereby ,storm water (rain water) is collected filtered and stored and then this water is used for watering the grounds, firewater, general washing activities etc.
Sorry for rambling on about this, but I am just trying to show how well bulit the stadium is and the fact that whilst we may have been overcrowded seat wise by design, it was still a structurally safe facility
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I was ah youth back den, ah went tuh de game with meh dad, an after de game, he an all de older folks said it was ah sell out.
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It was a damn sell out. We could have beatten the US silly. I watched the game people missing the goal with no goalie from right infront it. I mean it was to obvious. This was the US's greatest opportunity to get to the WC and they did all that was nessary to get there. I was ashamed of the squad. to know that they took whatever was offered over our countries honor. If any of you guys have access to vedio of the game you would see exactly what I am talking about. I am not an emotional person but that is the most sore topic to me about T&T football. I reather we be cheated than we forfiet. Those DAMN PUNKS.
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: Themanfriday
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It was a damn sell out. We could have beatten the US silly. I watched the game people missing the goal with no goalie from right infront it. I mean it was to obvious. This was the US's greatest opportunity to get to the WC and they did all that was nessary to get there. I was ashamed of the squad. to know that they took whatever was offered over our countries honor. If any of you guys have access to vedio of the game you would see exactly what I am talking about. I am not an emotional person but that is the most sore topic
Doh agree about de players selling out.Ah know some of dem personally an in trinidad, talk woulda come out.
Something was wrong doh, it seemed as if everything was ideal for USA to win de game.
Brow get beat with ah lob from jus after de half line (Sunday morning savanahh goal) , he say de sun was in he eye.
It couldda be somebody say " Ah cyar fix de players or de caoch, but ah could fix everything else".
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I was in trini then How can you miss a wide open goal from right infront of it? We looked like shit in that game. My school team Marabella SC could have done better.
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Just see a goal in the Euro Champs last night..worst than the Brow goal.
Keeper get the ball in both hands and watch it bounce out and go behind him into the goal.
He had he hands positioned like how u would catch a cricket ball about waist high.
Fishs thanks for that info.
Ppl forget Warner wanted the team in POS..but Gally and the team say no.
Peace,
VB
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Of course the team played shyte, I am not disputing that, what I am disputing is whether they sold out or not. I honestly do not believe they did.
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Apparently you did not see that Game. Sorry that really pisses me off.
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Allright breds.
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It was no sell out, the Americans scored a lucky goal, we didn't play to our best, we weren't focussed and the better mentally prepared team on the day won.
People say it was a sell out because we Trinis love conspiracy theories and we needed something to appease our minds by convincing ourselves that it wasn't in our hands when it really was.
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It was a damn sell out. We could have beatten the US silly. I watched the game people missing the goal with no goalie from right infront it. I mean it was to obvious.
You talking rubbish . We didn't miss any open goals in that match. As far as I remember, besides the Jones chance for a penalty, we created VERY few scoring chances in that game and it was the most frustrating match to watch.
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I have a question for all you forumites,here it is if you or your team coaches or managers were approached by a u.s. delegation assuring each player a large purse and citizenship would you take it,after all it's supposedly the greatest and wealthiest country in the world.now do think that's a good enough reason.
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To most, when you look at the facts involved your initial thought may be that it was a sell out. The general performance of the players, Brow's sun in the eye excuse, the overcrowding, the commission of enquiry never being completed etc. However the emotions of Cummings and the players looked very real and that convinced me that it wasn't.
Saga, if they had gotten big money from that match, all of them would have been a lot better off than they are right now I'm sure, and you know what, I would never sell out my country especially with how things were sweet at that time..
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This topic doesn't make sense. Sold out or not we'll never know ... and everyone here just guessing...... besids this topic has been discussed before.
Gehen Kreiger Gehen
Check de danger :beermug:
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Just curious because i was havin ah debate earlier on with some fellas who believe that the game was a sell out. And i strongly disagree!!! What you people think?
Do u guys think that the Bahrain people are asking this same questions ?
Football is a game , a sport , from what i saw of the team and heard men like Clayton Morris saying , i dont think that it was a sell out !
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To most, when you look at the facts involved your initial thought may be that it was a sell out. The general performance of the players, Brow's sun in the eye excuse, the overcrowding, the commission of enquiry never being completed etc. However the emotions of Cummings and the players looked very real and that convinced me that it wasn't.
Saga, if they had gotten big money from that match, all of them would have been a lot better off than they are right now I'm sure, and you know what, I would never sell out my country especially with how things were sweet at that time..
And yuh no what I agree with yuh on that meh brother I was living in T&Tduring those times,and fell sick. between the hospital and home suffering with serious yellow fever I was able to look at the match on tv that's how patriotic I'm,but as you know what I'm simply saying is never rule out the impossible,and as far as them being better off today it's been 16yrs to date I don't know if ah want to go down dah road.just to leave yuh with this doh I believe whether in good times or bad times one should never sell out there country.
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I personally was able to buy two tickets for the game in the ministry an den on de day before de game get 2 free tickets from baldy hernandez (RIP)
Fishs what you saying boy?
Baldy is alive and well.
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It was a damn sell out. We could have beatten the US silly. I watched the game people missing the goal with no goalie from right infront it. I mean it was to obvious.
You talking rubbish . We didn't miss any open goals in that match. As far as I remember, besides the Jones chance for a penalty, we created VERY few scoring chances in that game and it was the most frustrating match to watch.
Oh yeah what about the ball that went over the upright. That is stuck in my mind. Pure clean chance.
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It have 18 players on a team plus the coach and techinical staff. People actually think all of them would sell out and not one of them spoke up to now. Never would and Never will happen. Latapy never would have did that. Just by his character i know he wouldn't have took money.
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No it was not a sell out..........We just lost.......get over it.
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I do not believe all the players did I think 1 stricker and 2 defenders had a part to play in it. (Ball over the cross bar, sun in my eyes >:( , then it the ball low)
Please understand this is my oppinion. and like every one has an ass so do we all have oppinions.
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no way that was a sellout-players got zero money. them fellas wasn't living a rich life after 89.
been a while but i can't remember any great number of scoring chances. We created little at all that whole game.
We did not show up on the day and lost. no conspiracy or money pass from US to TT. them yankess looked hungrier that game than we did.
the tickets and overcrowding scenario- i ain't know what happened there, but that did not affect what happened on the field.
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Just curious because i was havin ah debate earlier on with some fellas who believe that the game was a sell out. And i strongly disagree!!! What you people think?
bredgin this question should never ever ever be asked..This question is a total disrespect to members of de strike squad..I bet mi last cent ,de members of de strike squad is and will always be loved more than members of the warriors.. The strikesquad had a country behind dem from de begining and not from the last flicking game!!!!!!!!! I beg fi this question to be pulled from this forum right now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Show sum Respect to de Strike squad..There will always be warriors but there will never ever be another strike squad!!!!!!!!!!!
warmonga..
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it was no sell out the team just lose. i was in the stadium, i get crush and i cry when game was over, but fact still remain we lost.
we was football naive, we thought we had the US beat, we start celebrating before the game ever start, and USA score the goal. as Kicker say, iz time we get over Nov 19th and move on.
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it was a sell out, US needed a victory 2 host de world cup, dis was big money for fifa havin a nation like de us come into football, of course it was a sell out, de US only had tuh pay one man and dat was de goal keeper
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yeh i hear it was a sellout, i believe it was. my father an dem talk about it and i hear a few tings when i was younger. my dads best friend was minister of sport or somthing. i hear money passed high up, also i would never belive the whole team would sell it but i hear a couple players did and that is what makes the difference. remember 16 years ago players financial situations was very different to now. but of course some people cant be bought.
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it was a sell out, US needed a victory 2 host de world cup, dis was big money for fifa havin a nation like de us come into football, of course it was a sell out, de US only had tuh pay one man and dat was de goal keeper
yeh USA was hostin the nex cup aswell so it was real big money for fifa. in the grand scheme of ting it just made no sense for little Trinidadto go to the world cup wen USA could. and he can all see the effect it is having. wen usa commint fully to football lard rel money runnin
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it was a sell out, US needed a victory 2 host de world cup, dis was big money for fifa havin a nation like de us come into football, of course it was a sell out, de US only had tuh pay one man and dat was de goal keeper
TI and pioneer like unnuh cya read?.. yu nuh see wey war jes sey bredda leggo de f**kery talk and stop diss de Strike squad..Bout money pass..wey de rass money pass eh?.. No member of De strke squad living big life style..I. Mi know sey nuf young people innah de forum but cool nuh bredgin ..How yu fi talk f**kery like dat ?...Big up de strike squad any waey dem dey!!!!!!!!!!!One bad call cause dat Nov 19th game..read mi signature and yu will see what am talking bout..
warmonga...
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im telling u what i hear, wether u belive it or not is your buisness, i dont understand what u mean by none of dem livin big lifestyle? when people get bribe its not for millions is it, not back then anyhow. and like i said i heard money pass high up, look at ya sig. referee ???
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I have a question for all you forumites,here it is if you or your team coaches or managers were approached by a u.s. delegation assuring each player a large purse and citizenship would you take it,after all it's supposedly the greatest and wealthiest country in the world.now do think that's a good enough reason.
who say usa is dey greatest country in dey world....maybe the wealthiest (after china, saudi, japan) but not the greatest.
and for all the money and citizenship in dey world, i ain't giving up tnt. ah maybe living in canada but meh heart still in maracas bay eating bake and shark
look at what is happening in the usa right now. if ya fart to hard is terrorist, if ah plane fly too low is terrorist, not even ah homeless person picking up dey bag that was left in dey park anymore, fus he fraid, ya president only coming on dey damn tv screen talking about war, war, and more war. but ah want him to interfer with north korea. all dem youngas between dey ages of 18-25 coming back from dey war minus ah hand, foot, eye, hearing gone, mental ability in ah mess, and now they hafta look for jobs to support dey family. doh lemme start about unemployment percentage in dey usa.
steupssssssssssss.
it ain't worth it nah...forget ya money and green card, i go stand up on marli street in dey hot sun :beermug:
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yes i agree no way is usa the grestest, they only the wealthiest. but i go leave my political view for another thread ;D
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the usa get draws to guatemala away and el salvador at home just before nov 19.
they were probably expecking to make at least 4 points, but only make 2 points which put them into 3rd place. if they had won at least 1 of those games they would have the advantage.
so, i could see the usa willing to bribe to win that last game.
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Well to me we get rob of a blatant penalty when philbert jones get push down by john doyle in de penalty box.
So to me if anything i find de refereeing was dodgy.
JAH BLESS RASTAFARI
I agree with Rastafari, we were again cheated in 1989 of world cup qualification by a blatant refereeing error as we were 4 times in 1973 against Haiti.
Warmonga's signature gives a good summary!
Our Strike Squad were and are still Heroes! They are not sell-outs not a single one of them as they did their best and deserved to have qualified for the 1990 World Cup.
Its not their fault that the ref had a US bias, if anyone suspected him of being offered a bribe they should have investigated that referee and disciplined him but let by-gones be by-gones as we will shake up Germany next year and take our place from hence-forth as World Cup regulars! ;D 8)
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it was no sell out the team just lose. i was in the stadium, i get crush and i cry when game was over, but fact still remain we lost.
we was football naive, we thought we had the US beat, we start celebrating before the game ever start, and USA score the goal. as Kicker say, iz time we get over Nov 19th and move on.
Amen!
Just accept that Nov 19 is no longer the most important day on our football now, and we got beat from a better team on the day, end of story.
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I would love to get my hands on a a copy of the game on Nov 19. Anybody have it in de archives??
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Our national team at the time was on par with the U.S......give or take............. so why is it so inconceivable that they could edge us 1-0 in a fair game game ?
It's not like we beat them 4-0 the week before.....
We are so hypocritical. We get upset when Guatemalans and Bahrainis accuse us of selling out..then we're quick to pull the same card when the situation is reversed.......shameful
The problem is myopia...when people get too caught up in an event, they lose sight of everything else around them........Trinis forgot (and still disregard the fact) that the U.S. wanted that game as bad as we did.......maybe more......it was 11v11, both teams were hungry........ and we weren't playing a team that we were used to beating.......so the whole suspicion of selling out is just due to the fact that we thought it was our destiny to go to the World Cup in '90...and nothing could stand in front of it...........
WE WERE WRONG !!!!!! ADMIT IT !!! WHAT STOOD IN FRONT OF US WAS A YOUNG HUNGRY U.S.A TEAM THAT WAS GOING TO GIVE THEIR ALL TO WIN THAT GAME BECAUSE THEY NEEDED TO, JUST LIKE WE NEEDED TO "WIN" IN BAHRAIN IN OUR FINAL GAME ON NOVEMBER 16TH!!!
If there was a sell out......so be it......but unless you know 4 sure....... accept that we lost fairly and move on....................
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I have viewed that game 7 times since then, and I must conclude that there is nothing to suggerst that any T&T player sold out. I questioned Cummings decision to play Dwight when he did, but I am from Tobago.
We lost that game fair and square.
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This is like the Bahraini's wondering if Jack pay their team to sell out to we (Silly speculation). So somebody pay Maurice to let in that fluke USA goal, hmmm. The Strike Squad lost that match before it was played because their preparation before the game was even jokier than KND's schedule for the Warriors. Let it rest nah, it was not to be 1989. Nothing happens before its time.
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Boy THis an idiot post
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Our national team at the time was on par with the U.S......give or take............. so why is it so inconceivable that they could edge us 1-0 in a fair game game ?
It's not like we beat them 4-0 the week before.....
We are so hypocritical. We get upset when Guatemalans and Bahrainis accuse us of selling out..then we're quick to pull the same card when the situation is reversed.......shameful
The problem is myopia...when people get too caught up in an event, they lose sight of everything else around them........Trinis forgot (and still disregard the fact) that the U.S. wanted that game as bad as we did.......maybe more......it was 11v11, both teams were hungry........ and we weren't playing a team that we were used to beating.......so the whole suspicion of selling out is just due to the fact that we thought it was our destiny to go to the World Cup in '90...and nothing could stand in front of it...........
WE WERE WRONG !!!!!! ADMIT IT !!! WHAT STOOD IN FRONT OF US WAS A YOUNG HUNGRY U.S.A TEAM THAT WAS GOING TO GIVE THEIR ALL TO WIN THAT GAME BECAUSE THEY NEEDED TO, JUST LIKE WE NEEDED TO "WIN" IN BAHRAIN IN OUR FINAL GAME ON NOVEMBER 16TH!!!
If there was a sell out......so be it......but unless you know 4 sure....... accept that we lost fairly and move on....................
i really don't know why men still believe that we sell out...Who got paid? Michael Maurice??? I DON'T THINK SOOOO...The reason some people say we sold out the game was the fact that we had the team all the way in south and they went to church that morning then had to sit in ah freaking small maxi and sit in all that traffic to the stadium...so they think it was a plan to put de team thru all that on game day...I think it was a lack of exprience from the T&T team....we started celebrating to early...The US was focus and 10-15 minutes from the stadium..And they just got a lucky goal on us or i should say a shit goal on us.....
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what da &@^# dont even bring this shyt up now!
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Let us drop dis nah..Nov 19th lost has now turned into Nov 16th WIN!! time to move on with the positive and forget the negative..and what if it was a sellout? what next? man we going Germany 2006...to hell wid Italy 1990...
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Ah juss want tuh add meh 2 cents here.
1 cent) De players no way no how sellout. IF somebody sellout is de hire ups who tire de team out before de game. Whoever had dem fellas on a bus for 4 hours, send dem to church and all kindah a headache in de hotsun before the game, IF anybody sell out is de intentional effort to tire the team out before the game by someone on the administrative level.
2 cent) Me eh care what allyuh say, Michael Maurice was the best goalkeeper to ever come out of TnT. Whoever remember how good dat man save against Flamingo with Zico and dem boyz, de man was a big star. Yes, he might have been able to save that ball if the sun was not in his eyes but the shot or lob whatever yuh want to call it was well placed, he get ketch off guard, I am not sure i would blame that on him, but I agree it is a ball that could have been saved but no one is perfect.
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anybody have this game on vcr or dvd?..i want to see all them chances Manfriday say we throw away..all i could remeber bout that game is that stupid goal we concede..the match itself was a daze cause it had no action..was almost surreal to a point.
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Fishs what you saying boy?
Baldy is alive and well.
Oh shit, sorry about that .
Anyhow it could translate to RIP NAR. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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this suggestion is asinine
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I believe in Micheal Mourice
2 cent) Me eh care what allyuh say, Michael Maurice was the best goalkeeper to ever come out of TnT. Whoever remember how good dat man save against Flamingo with Zico and dem boyz, de man was a big star. Yes, he might have been able to save that ball if the sun was not in his eyes but the shot or lob whatever yuh want to call it was well placed, he get ketch off guard, I am not sure i would blame that on him, but I agree it is a ball that could have been saved but no one is perfect.
Michael Was the best. I lived in the same town with his brother. He is not the blame. The game is gone we are moving on. The Strike Squad was my heros. I believe that someone just used bad judgement somewhere.
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It was a damn sell out. We could have beatten the US silly. I watched the game people missing the goal with no goalie from right infront it. I mean it was to obvious. This was the US's greatest opportunity to get to the WC and they did all that was nessary to get there. I was ashamed of the squad. to know that they took whatever was offered over our countries honor. If any of you guys have access to vedio of the game you would see exactly what I am talking about. I am not an emotional person but that is the most sore topic
Michael Was the best. I lived in the same town with his brother. He is not the blame. The game is gone we are moving on. The Strike Squad was my heros. I believe that someone just used bad judgement somewhere.
Confession good for the soul. ;D ;D ;D
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not a sellout, not by a long shot, we lost the game fair and square.but i think the issue of sellout arose more of a consolation for the public than anything else.the fact remains that the build up to italia 90 was far more passionate than now and people needed dome explanation to console their sorrows because in 89 there was no way we could lose against the USA and we lost.