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Title: Oliver Camps Thread
Post by: Tallman on April 20, 2005, 09:16:21 AM
Camps reappointed chairman of CONCACAF Finance Committee
By Shaun Fuentes (TTFF Press Officer)


President of the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation Oliver Camps has been reappointed Chairman of CONCACAF’s Finance Committee.

The appointment was revealed at the  CONCACAF Executive Committee meeting in New York earlier this month. Camps, a former T&T team manager, will serve the position for the period ending June 2006.

Camps said he was anticipating serving for another term after the news came.

“I have accepted the appointment and it is my intention to continue serving in a professional manner. The task is not a new one to me so it’s just a matter of ensuring that CONCACAF’s financial administration is properly reviewed and  well in place,” Camps said.

The Finance Committee is responsible for  reviewing the financial administration of the Confederation; reviewing budgets prepared by the General Secretariat and make any necessary reports to the Executive Committee; reviewing the Auditors' report.

Title: Re: Camps reappointed chairman of CONCACAF Finance Committee
Post by: doc on April 20, 2005, 09:26:09 AM
See why dey can't kill de golden goose  8)
Title: Re: Camps reappointed chairman of CONCACAF Finance Committee
Post by: Sam on April 21, 2005, 05:16:35 AM
See why dey can't kill de golden goose  8)

Doc, what a wicked reply.... best post yuh ever make....


Hah hah hah hah hah hah......
Title: Re: Camps reappointed chairman of CONCACAF Finance Committee
Post by: jusme on April 22, 2005, 01:06:38 PM
anyone knows what camps' background was before TTFA/TTFF? Did he have a playing career before that?  what club, if any, was he affiliated with?

I just realise, that for all the time he on the scene I eh have a clue what his background is.
Title: Oliver Camps Thread
Post by: Tallman on June 24, 2005, 07:51:00 AM
Oliver Camps named Chairman of Maritime
Tobago News


Football administrator Oliver Camps has been appointed Chairman of Maritime General Insurance Company Limited.

He brings to the Board a wealth of experience in the general insurance industry, having held senior positions in the company.

He was previously the General Manager, Marketing, during which time he established meaningful and lasting relationships with clients, team members and insurance brokers, a practice he had enjoyed to this day.

Camps began his career in the general insurance industry in the early 1960's and rose to the position of Manager of Consolidated Finance Corporation, a general insurance agency of the Insurance Company of North America.

In 1978, Maritime INA General Insurance Company Limited was established, in joint partnership with the Insurance Company of North America. This company later became Maritime General Insurance Company Limited.

He was also a driving force in encouraging Maritime Life (Caribbean) Limited agents to sell general insurance products.

Thanks to his vision, Maritime can today boast of a team of Financial Advisors who offered the most professional advice in life and general insurance services to its very valued clientele.

Camps' accomplishments go beyond Maritime as he is also well known and respected on the national front.

He is currently the President of the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation, President of the Harvard Club and Chairman of the Concacaf finance committee.

A company press release said it was proud to have this living icon lead its very successful general insurance company as it continued to pursue excellence in quality service, claims processing and financial advice.
Title: What is Camps role ?
Post by: jai john on January 06, 2006, 12:40:56 PM
Can anyone say what is the role of Oliver Camps ? I know he is the President of the TTFF but what is he responsible for ? Does he earn a salary ? what does he do ? Are taxpayers money going to subsidise this man ? In 1989 when asked to explain the printing of extra tickets he responded with the usual ..when Mr warner returns he can answer that ....
Years later the man  still cannot give any  statement which does not come from the mouth of Warner. This is an organisation which is handling $US millions and wanting some more taxpayers money....... seems like we are being asked to cast our pearls .....
Title: Re: What is Camps role ?
Post by: Tallman on January 06, 2006, 12:45:27 PM
According tuh de TTFF Constitution:

DUTIES AND RESPONSIBILITIES OF OFFICERS
Article XIV

14.1 The President
a. The President is the Chief Co-ordinating Officer of the Federation.

b. The President shall preside at all General Meetings, General Council Meetings, and Executive Committee Meetings of the Federation. In the absence of the President, the senior Vice President present shall preside at the above mentioned meetings. In the absence of the President and the Three Vice-Presidents, a Chairman shall be elected from among the persons present and entitled to vote at the meeting.
Title: Re: What is Camps role ?
Post by: jai john on January 06, 2006, 12:49:43 PM
well if de role of the President is to preside at meetings then camps is ah good president. i just thought that he might have been given a job to do according to the constitution .....
Title: Re: What is Camps role ?
Post by: Rodney on January 06, 2006, 12:50:24 PM
His main role is to go "Yes Jack!....yuh want meh to sign where on the contract?".

The minor requirements of his job spec are:

1). To agree with everything Jack say
2).  Laugh at the jokes Jack make
3).  Nod head in agreement at any statement Jack make when they go ah press conference

and

4). Mismanage the TTFF as much as humanly possible without getting throw in jail.  
Title: Re: What is Camps role ?
Post by: jai john on January 06, 2006, 12:53:36 PM
ha ha !  I talking constitutional reform ...you know when dat start everything turn ole mas !
You ever see a constitution like dat ? If de adviser resign who go do de wuk ?
Title: Re: What is Camps role ?
Post by: Rodney on January 06, 2006, 01:02:11 PM
Has Camps ever had a period with the TTFF/TTFA where Jack WASN'T involved?

If Jack did go I ain't sure Mr Camps would be able to cope....he might resign out of grief, well either that or the fact he go actually have to REALLY do some HONEST wuk, that thought alone might cause the man to have ah breakdown!
Title: Re: What is Camps role ?
Post by: doc on January 06, 2006, 01:03:48 PM
According tuh de TTFF Constitution:

DUTIES AND RESPONSIBILITIES OF OFFICERS
Article XIV

14.1 The President
a. The President is the Chief Co-ordinating Officer of the Federation.

b. The President shall preside at all General Meetings, General Council Meetings, and Executive Committee Meetings of the Federation. In the absence of the President, the senior Vice President present shall preside at the above mentioned meetings. In the absence of the President and the Three Vice-Presidents, a Chairman shall be elected from among the persons present and entitled to vote at the meeting.

At least Camps role is defined in the constitution. Leh me see yuh skills Tallman, I've asking Shaun for a while about the role of the "Special Advisor" ... all to no avail. Help me out, nuh  ;D ;D
Title: Re: What is Camps role ?
Post by: samo on January 06, 2006, 02:17:54 PM
Scamps role is to play dumb ,talk shite , agree with everything JAck say..
Jack : Scamps yuh yuh yuh could lick mih mih mih bamsee
Scamps: Yes Sir right away sir. :rotfl:
Title: Re: What is Camps role ?
Post by: Jefferz on January 06, 2006, 02:22:57 PM
Eat, sleep, tun up fuh meetings and atleast pretend to be awake if dey have cameras dey, jump on de feild like a jackass when TnT beat teams like Sweeden, England, Paraguay and of course Bahrain,  go to Germany for world cup draw and collect pay check.

He may have to talk to reporters once in a while.

Or write a christmas letter to Jack.
Title: Re: What is Camps role ?
Post by: Tallman on January 06, 2006, 02:42:17 PM
Allyuh remember de Fire Oliver Camps (http://www.geocities.com/fireolivercamps/FIRE_OLIVER_CAMPS.html)  campaign?
Title: Re: What is Camps role ?
Post by: JDB on January 06, 2006, 02:51:12 PM
His main role is to go "Yes Jack!....yuh want meh to sign where on the contract?".

The minor requirements of his job spec are:

1). To agree with everything Jack say
2).  Laugh at the jokes Jack make
3).  Nod head in agreement at any statement Jack make when they go ah press conference

and

4). Mismanage the TTFF as much as humanly possible without getting throw in jail.  

Don't forget pick up a pay check.
Title: Re: What is Camps role ?
Post by: Big Magician on January 06, 2006, 02:53:36 PM
 camps role...camps role???.... camps role is tuh roll on de ground.......scotch and coconut water

   oooiiii...roll it camps roll it camps  ( like roll it gyal )
Title: Re: What is Camps role ?
Post by: morvant on January 06, 2006, 02:54:21 PM
camps role...camps role???.... camps role is tuh roll on de ground.......scotch and coconut water

   oooiiii...roll it camps roll it camps  ( like roll it gyal )

 :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Title: Re: What is Camps role ?
Post by: dombasil on January 06, 2006, 02:58:54 PM
camps role...camps role???.... camps role is tuh roll on de ground.......scotch and coconut water

   oooiiii...roll it camps roll it camps  ( like roll it gyal )
Alyuh men is real ass,  yes boy :rotfl:
Title: Re: What is Camps role ?
Post by: TrinInfinite on January 06, 2006, 03:33:07 PM
camps role is 2 eat, sleep, and shit jack warner, then do again and again, he doh do anything, he does also on a full time basis wash warner bamsee
Title: Re: What is Camps role ?
Post by: Jefferz on January 06, 2006, 03:35:54 PM
camps role is 2 eat, sleep, and shit jack warner, then do again and again, he doh do anything, he does also on a full time basis wash warner bamsee

Thank for re-emphasizing Mrs.Hardest, I must ask how the Mr has been of recent

ah watin fuh de update.
Title: Re: What is Camps role ?
Post by: Sam on January 06, 2006, 03:57:17 PM
De only Role Camps have is a Role of Toilet Paper.... where he does wipe Warner ass with.....
Title: Re: What is Camps role ?
Post by: UnWiseSage (aka Jahyute) on January 06, 2006, 04:00:48 PM
das meh fadda yuh talkin bout!!!  >:(
Title: Re: What is Camps role ?
Post by: truetrini on January 06, 2006, 06:55:26 PM
das meh fadda yuh talkin bout!!!  >:(

camps cyar break..breds sorry or maybe glad tuh tell yuh....yuh adopted...or is jack warner horn chile!
Title: Re: What is Camps role ?
Post by: Pointman on January 06, 2006, 06:59:30 PM
camps role...camps role???.... camps role is tuh roll on de ground.......scotch and coconut water

   oooiiii...roll it camps roll it camps  ( like roll it gyal )

 :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: TEARS COMING OUT MEH EYES AH LAUGHIN SO MUCH
Title: Re: What is Camps role ?
Post by: UnWiseSage (aka Jahyute) on January 06, 2006, 07:08:26 PM
doh talk about my father that way! he is a good man!
Title: Re: What is Camps role ?
Post by: kounty on January 06, 2006, 08:08:50 PM
doh talk about my father that way! he is a good man!
yute, even hitler son would swear that he father was a good man.  The real question is, could you come out and state as boldly that Jack warner never tief and scull and lie while your father was the supposed president of ttff(/a)?
if not then your fahter like the policeman outside watching the bacnk robbery and ent doing nuttin....cyah call he a good man.
Title: Re: What is Camps role ?
Post by: weary1969 on January 06, 2006, 09:01:31 PM
I saw a movie once where army recruits had only 3 responsesThey are:
Yes Sir
No Sir
Sir I do not understand sir
 
Camp's role is the same as those recruits when it comes to Jack.
SO HEAR CAMPS

YES JACKYUH COULD  TIEF

NO JACK YOU COULD TIEF SOME MORE

JACK I DO NOT UNDERSTAND HOW YOU COULD USE SUCH A MOMENTOUS OCASSION TO TIEF MORE  FROM THE PUBLIC JACK

Title: Re: What is Camps role ?
Post by: Jefferz on January 07, 2006, 10:42:05 PM
doh talk about my father that way! he is a good man!
yute, even hitler son would swear that he father was a good man.  The real question is, could you come out and state as boldly that Jack warner never tief and scull and lie while your father was the supposed president of ttff(/a)?
if not then your fahter like the policeman outside watching the bacnk robbery and ent doing nuttin....cyah call he a good man.
:rotfl:
bouty killa dred de man f**kin wit yuh

da nuh he fada ATOL

hahahaha
Title: Oliver Camps on i9.95
Post by: Trini _2026 on January 27, 2007, 04:20:35 PM
check it out

http://www.i955fm.com/

On elections camps said
- there is no way anyone can serve in the federaton without being elected and he has never been opposed.. no one has contested him for the position .
-ttff elections should be in November (he was kind ah ducking this questioned)
- federation elections should be held every 4 years a fifa rule
- he ask warner to serve as special adviser

gally cumming

--- he said discussions are going on about  the  role  gally would play in our football but thing are slow ..but andre real press  camps on this issue -- like gally is  he boy ...
Title: Re: Oliver Camps on i9.95
Post by: vb on January 27, 2007, 04:47:04 PM
well he talk like a real stooge.

VB
Title: Re: Oliver Camps on i9.95
Post by: WestCoast on January 27, 2007, 04:47:12 PM
Thanks TriniMan
that was good
Title: Re: Oliver Camps on i9.95
Post by: Trini _2026 on January 27, 2007, 04:48:54 PM
well he talk like a real stooge.

VB

 :rotfl:
Title: Re: Oliver Camps on i9.95
Post by: weary1969 on January 27, 2007, 04:51:33 PM
What about the players money and whether he playin the fellas who have them in court. That is what we want tohear about we know that fellas like Napoleon Emperor for live so wat election all yuh askin bout.
Title: Re: Oliver Camps on i9.95
Post by: kounty on January 27, 2007, 09:19:12 PM
fellaz please doh let a chance like this pass again without calling in and asking the right questions.
1) WHO is allowed to vote?
2) How does one get on the ballot?

anybody on this site ...please get yuhself on the ballot...we don't want to more warner adn camps and dem crooks runnin we ball no more.

put TI name on thre ballot if we could   ;D ...nobody could do more harm than jack and camps done doing
Title: Re: Oliver Camps on i9.95
Post by: rippin on January 28, 2007, 11:28:30 AM
fellaz please doh let a chance like this pass again without calling in and asking the right questions.
1) WHO is allowed to vote?
2) How does one get on the ballot?

anybody on this site ...please get yuhself on the ballot...we don't want to more warner adn camps and dem crooks runnin we ball no more.

put TI name on thre ballot if we could ;D ...nobody could do more harm than jack and camps done doing

Jack and Camps have their agenda and TI have he agenda  ::). We want unbiased people in charge of the TTFF.
Title: Re: Oliver Camps on i9.95
Post by: Themanfriday on January 28, 2007, 12:40:50 PM
where do I press to here the radio?
Title: Re: Oliver Camps on i9.95
Post by: dcs on January 28, 2007, 02:21:37 PM

It have a listen live link in the middle...just above iCorner

show done
Title: Re: Oliver Camps on i9.95
Post by: Themanfriday on January 28, 2007, 03:14:51 PM
Man ah cyah tell yuh how much times I on dat site and could never find that link. I was acustomed to it being on the right side big and nice fpr ever one to see. Now dey hide it in de middle ah de page

NICE fuh real
Title: Re: Oliver Camps on i9.95
Post by: dcs on January 28, 2007, 03:20:06 PM
http://stream.netro.ca/i955fm

U cud save dat in media player if you want too.
Title: Re: Oliver Camps on i9.95
Post by: Themanfriday on January 28, 2007, 03:24:56 PM
yeah I have it now.. I looking to listen de game tonight yuh have any ideas?
Title: TTFF President and sports mins could meet this week.
Post by: Bally on May 05, 2007, 08:09:47 PM
TTFF President & sports mins could meet this week.
By: Shaun Fuentes (TTFF).


Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation President Oliver Camps says that he is yet to receive an invitation for a meeting with Minister of Sport Roger Boynes concerning the current impasse with some of this countrys 2006 World Cup team members and the Federation.
Boynes stated on the air on Saturday that he would be meeting with Camps this week to discuss the matter and hopefully come to a resolution as he wants to see the best players represent the country and so too tax payers.
According to Camps, I havent heard anything of the meeting but maybe he has been trying to contact me because Im out of the country now. If he sets up a meeting then we will be open to it as we have been in the past,said Camps who is in Anguilla at the moment for a regional football seminar.
Meantime, striker Stern John, who in the midst of success at Sunderland with their Promotion to the Premiership, has again expressed regret on not being able to play for T&T at the CONCACAF Gold Cup.
John stated on Friday, We are available to represent they country and they told us that we are banned once we stick to our decisions. I myself want to know why we cannot play and why this problem has to prevent us from representing our country.
I think there needs to be some feedback. The public needs to know the full extent of it. A lot of people think we are after money because they know the Government gave us money and we got bonuses from the Federation earlier on. So they are thinking that we are just after more money which is not the case. We had an agreement and all we want is fair play, John said.
We are not money hungry we are hungry to play. At the end of the day we want to represent our country, John concluded.
Title: Re: TTFF President and sports mins could meet this week
Post by: dreamer on May 05, 2007, 08:26:48 PM
Fuentes finally beginning to touch on de issue and act as if de blacklisted warriors exist. Ah continuing to monitor de situation. More articles please. Whoever damage my boys becomes my enemy. Simple. "Ticket or leave it". Sounds familiar?
Title: Re: TTFF President and sports mins could meet this week.
Post by: dcs on May 06, 2007, 11:00:48 AM

Come on people...meet and get this over with.  There is enough money floating around to solve this problem without sacrificing programs or preparation.

Very happy with FPATT and very happy that everybody seems willing to talk.  These coming weeks will hopefully have more progress than we've seen in the last months.
Title: Re: TTFF President and sports mins could meet this week.
Post by: Victor on May 06, 2007, 11:32:38 AM

Come on people...meet and get this over with. There is enough money floating around to solve this problem without sacrificing programs or preparation.

Very happy with FPATT and very happy that everybody seems willing to talk. These coming weeks will hopefully have more progress than we've seen in the last months.

EXCELLENT POST. Very well said.
Title: Re: TTFF President and sports mins could meet this week.
Post by: dreamer on May 06, 2007, 04:15:37 PM
Ah waitin' Mr Sports Minister !!!  >:(
Title: Re: TTFF President and sports mins could meet this week.
Post by: WestCoast on May 06, 2007, 04:20:23 PM
any Lawyers in the House that could answer me this question.
Can the TnT Government sue the TTFF, on behalf of the Blacklisted Players, for what they are doing?

there has got to be a way for this to STOP.
Jennings or Lasana or somebody help please. (sorry for the mis-spelling)
Jack has to be stopped as he treats our Football heros very badly.
Title: Re: TTFF President and sports mins could meet this week.
Post by: weary1969 on May 06, 2007, 05:38:33 PM
All I know is that is my tax money so if no Me mum etal I say doh use my tax maney.
Title: Re: TTFF President and sports mins could meet this week.
Post by: dcs on May 06, 2007, 10:24:04 PM

Why allyuh only mispelling the man name the last few weeks.

L A S A N A
Title: Re: TTFF President and sports mins could meet this week.
Post by: RGarcia on May 06, 2007, 10:33:09 PM

Why allyuh only mispelling the man name the last few weeks.

L A S A N A
doh worry nah! man know who we talking bout
Title: Re: TTFF President and sports mins could meet this week.
Post by: Babalawo on May 06, 2007, 11:56:25 PM
Oliver 'scyamp' Camp, u jack ass
Title: Re: TTFF President and sports mins could meet this week.
Post by: WestCoast on May 07, 2007, 01:20:23 AM
Why allyuh only mispelling the man name the last few weeks.
L A S A N A
DCS, Thanks for pointing out my mis-spelling
Have changed it now.
My apologises Mr. Liburd
I did a search and modified all my posts that had the wrong spelling.
I encourage all to do a search to check and modify their posts.
Title: Re: TTFF President and sports mins could meet this week.
Post by: SHOTTA on May 08, 2007, 12:46:40 PM
still no info on this meeting??

will it happen has it happened?
Title: Re: TTFF President and sports mins could meet this week.
Post by: Bourbon on May 08, 2007, 02:07:26 PM
any Lawyers in the House that could answer me this question.
Can the TnT Government sue the TTFF, on behalf of the Blacklisted Players, for what they are doing?

there has got to be a way for this to STOP.
Jennings or Lasana or somebody help please. (sorry for the mis-spelling)
Jack has to be stopped as he treats our Football heros very badly.

As far as i know...nope. FIFA could deem that governmental interference and suspend the program. If people don't want to comply to that....in the words of Sepp Blatter....."They can go play elsewhere" So in short we really in a tight spot.
Title: Re: TTFF President and sports mins could meet this week.
Post by: kentsoulman on May 08, 2007, 06:38:08 PM
This is getting really deep into FIFA politics, but we mustall remember, contrary to the great Bill Shankly (people think football is a matter of life and death. They're wrong. It's more important than that.), football is only a game. In the end it cannot ignore employment law or human rights issues.

I don't know if the government can order an investigation, but I'm damn sure that any other business would be investigated if it was in the public interest, particularly if there was evidence of financial wrongdoings or fraud. Obviously, I'm not suggesting that is the case with the world cup dispute.

However, it would be interesting, for instance, to see how travel and hotel expenses  were paid to the TTFF employees and advisors. As I understand it, the players were told these expenses were deducted from the players pool before it was divided up. So was that the case for the TTFF advisers? I doubt it, as it wouldn't be acceptable to do a job of work abroad and pay the cost of getting there yourself.

I wonder if any of the other 31 nations at the finals paid for their own expenses, including food and training facilities.

Can you imagine the conversation.

"Stevie G, its Sven. I'm selecting you to play for England in the World Cup. You will be paid a total of 50,000. However, we have to make some deductions. First class air fare 20,000. 5 star hotel, 16,000. Food 2,000 Bar bill 80,000. Oh dear. It appears, Stevie G, that you owe us 68,000. Still, thats a lot less than Rio, JT and Frank"

Now you know why Michael Owen went home early-he couldn't afford to stay!!
Title: Re: TTFF President and sports mins could meet this week.
Post by: dcs on May 08, 2007, 09:16:32 PM

What was the base pay agreement that the players had for the World Cup itself?

This dispute is over bonuses....the extra money.  How much did they get from the written contract?  Fans need to know all the information and that part missing from what I can tell.

Doesn't change anything about the bonus dispute but it is still relevant info being left out.
Title: Re: TTFF President and sports mins could meet this week.
Post by: kentsoulman on May 09, 2007, 01:15:03 AM
Think thats for the players to reveal if they wish. I believe it may have varied for some players, so they may not wish to disclose this. However, whatever they were paid, I bet it was a lot less than most squads at the world cup. I think the issue over bonuses is the area to concentrate on, because that money was coming directly from the monies generated by qualifying, so there can be no question that it was affordable to TTFF. Don't forget that TTFF should have budgeted for the players travel etc as an expense of qualifying, not an additional expense. Surely these men sat down and worked out the cost of sending a team and then budgeted accordingly before the tournament? If they were short of money, they and their advisers should have stayed home or paid themselves (Jack could have got them a ticket lol). Who were the important men in Germany, the players or the paper pushers? TTFF keep throwing in the Govt bonus to make the players look greedy, but that was a seperate issue, a bonus to players from a grateful public, not their living wage. I don't begrudge players who achieve world cup qualification from what, for most, should be their biggest ever paycheck. When you reach the top, you deserve top dollar. 
Title: Re: TTFF President and sports mins could meet this week.
Post by: Themanfriday on May 09, 2007, 03:10:29 AM
I fully agree with what you are saying. The TTFF are treating these players with small mind attitude. For what they have done for this country TOP DOLLARS should be given to ensure they are satisfied.

I am sure they were glad to represent our great twin nation and TTFF should show thier gratitude.

de Stalker still here
Title: Re: TTFF President and sports mins could meet this week.
Post by: Sando prince on May 11, 2007, 09:38:17 AM
So what was the outcome from this meeting?
Title: Re: TTFF President and sports mins could meet this week.
Post by: Brownsugar on May 11, 2007, 10:39:26 AM
So what was the outcome from this meeting?

It had a meeting??.... ???

If Jack did say it was going to have a meeting, there would have been one.....other than that.....Scamps was just playing manish, opening he mouth without Jack permission, how dare he......sssttteeeuuupppsss.....
Title: Warriors serve Camps, T&TFF.
Post by: Flex on June 30, 2007, 06:48:15 AM
Warriors serve Camps, T&TFF.
By: Lasana Liburd (Express).
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Sixteen of Trinidad and Tobago's 2006 World Cup heroes will now see their employers in court after the "Soca Warriors" officially launched legal proceedings against the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (T&TFF) and its president Oliver Camps yesterday morning.
The T&TFF was served notice of the suit yesterday by attorney Farid Scoon, who represents British sports law firm Athletes One Legal, although Camps is yet to be served as he was in Tobago on business.
The lawsuit is the culmination of a row between the national footballers and the T&TFF over bonus money owed from the 2006 World Cup.
FIFA vice-president Jack Warner, who acted in his capacity as T&TFF special adviser and chairman of the 2006 Germany LOC, agreed that the players be paid 50 per cent of all income generated from the team's historic qualification.
However, the players believed something was amiss when the T&TFF offered $5,644.08 per player and demanded that they be allowed to view the relevant contracts. The request was not granted and the players were barred from representing the national team at the recently-concluded 2007 CONCACAF Gold Cup tournament.
Scoon claimed that the players gave the T&TFF every opportunity to negotiate a settlement and have now chosen the courts as a last resort.
"The players made all efforts to exercise all remedies outside of going to court," said Scoon. "It is only when they felt those efforts had been exhausted, they decided to go ahead (with legal action)."
Camps told the Express he was unaware of any legal action as he spent his day in business meetings and could not comment on the developments.
Scoon still believes the T&TFF could solve the impasse independent of the court.
"The players are not altogether happy to go down this (legal) route," he said, "but they are prepared to do what they have to do to get what is right.
"I get the feeling that, if a settlement was offered, they would grab it with both hands. The ball is in the hands of the T&TFF now."
Scoon already has another matter before the local courts regarding football's local governing body. Earlier this year, he brought a libel suit against Warner and the T&TFF on behalf of former national captain and assistant coach David Nakhid. The matter is still before the court.

Breach of Contract. (http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=28964.msg329966#msg329966)
Title: Re: Warriors serve Camps, T&TFF.
Post by: KND2 on June 30, 2007, 08:59:53 AM
oh God

The using the same Lawyer as Nakhid
This is leading to more and more confusion.

Court is not the way to go because it will be donkey years before anything gets done.

how Jack and them come clean.

At least they could say we spend the money and have no more left to give.
Title: Re: Warriors serve Camps, T&TFF.
Post by: FLi ! on June 30, 2007, 09:36:27 AM
oh God

The using the same Lawyer as Nakhid
This is leading to more and more confusion.

Court is not the way to go because it will be donkey years before anything gets done.

how Jack and them come clean.

At least they could say we spend the money and have no more left to give.

This lawyer iwho has represented Nahkid, s the tnt representative in the case, there is a very experienced sports lawyer in London who is instructing.
Title: Re: Warriors serve Camps, T&TFF.
Post by: dcs on June 30, 2007, 10:02:17 AM

Did they file this in a T&T court?   ???

Say it ain't so.
Title: Re: Warriors serve Camps, T&TFF.
Post by: FLi ! on June 30, 2007, 11:16:15 AM

Did they file this in a T&T court?   ???

Say it ain't so.

I've explained in another post why it has been filed in the TnT High Ct.

I don't understand why people don't have faith in our judicial system. I for one, hold our judges in very high esteem and believe (at least with respect to the High Court & the Court of Appeal) that they are very independent and able to discharge their duties without fear or favour
Title: Re: Warriors serve Camps, T&TFF.
Post by: dreamer on June 30, 2007, 11:57:42 AM
Lawsuit in dey kakahole!!!!  Niceness. Now yuh talking !!  Turning point in T&T history. Lovely.

Nuff respec Warriors. Yeah, Scampos, you go ahead and doh answer de lawyer phone calls and play yuh chupidee. You yuhself going dong wit' Jackula.  Yuh filthy nastiness. Rodent, dey coming for you next and is extradition oui.  ;D ;D   :rotfl: :rotfl:

 :whip: :whip: :whip: :whip:
Title: Re: Warriors serve Camps, T&TFF.
Post by: rippin on June 30, 2007, 01:17:45 PM
Some judge getting a new car, life time passes to all TT games and other parting gifts  :devil: :devil:.
Title: Re: Warriors serve Camps, T&TFF.
Post by: WestCoast on June 30, 2007, 01:22:13 PM
Some judge getting a new car, life time passes to all TT games and other parting gifts :devil: :devil:.
;D
Yeah, Jackuls may sacrifice one of these fellas and give the Judge a FIFA Position
check this thread (http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=28916.msg329438#msg329438) ;)
Title: Re: Warriors serve Camps, T&TFF.
Post by: weary1969 on June 30, 2007, 02:44:52 PM
After service is game set match  to the warriors
Title: Re: Warriors serve Camps, T&TFF.
Post by: Bakes on June 30, 2007, 04:12:16 PM

Did they file this in a T&T court? ???

Say it ain't so.
They cyah file it in any other jurisdiction...the dispute is between Trinidadian parties, contending a contract that was agreed upon in Trinidad.
Title: Re: Warriors serve Camps, T&TFF.
Post by: dcs on June 30, 2007, 06:29:59 PM

Did they file this in a T&T court? ???

Say it ain't so.
They cyah file it in any other jurisdiction...the dispute is between Trinidadian parties, contending a contract that was agreed upon in Trinidad.

They can file it in CAS in Switzerland as far as I know.  Time will tell.
Title: Re: Warriors serve Camps, T&TFF.
Post by: Big Magician on June 30, 2007, 06:35:26 PM
 

                    KICK CAMPS OUT
Title: Re: Warriors serve Camps, T&TFF.
Post by: dcs on June 30, 2007, 06:47:44 PM

Standard Statutes for Associations (http://fifa.com/mm/document/affederation/federation/standard_statutes_en_1609.pdf)
Specifically mentions Ordinary Courts of Law

Fifa Statutes (http://fifa.com/mm/document/affederation/federation/statutes_08_2006_en_pdf_52.pdf)
pg 41 Article 62

That is what I going on.  I might be wrong and even not they may still accomplish what they want. 
T&T court have its advantages but time is not one of them.
Title: Re: Warriors serve Camps, T&TFF.
Post by: royal on June 30, 2007, 06:47:56 PM
Da Trinidad court ting could be de killer for those guys.
Title: Re: Warriors serve Camps, T&TFF.
Post by: Brownsugar on June 30, 2007, 07:07:06 PM

Did they file this in a T&T court? ???

Say it ain't so.

I've explained in another post why it has been filed in the TnT High Ct.

I don't understand why people don't have faith in our judicial system. I for one, hold our judges in very high esteem and believe (at least with respect to the High Court & the Court of Appeal) that they are very independent and able to discharge their duties without fear or favour
Fli.....ah used to believe in de Justice system too until a certain senior Doctor's case was tried in record time and well with de CJ bachanal.....ah losing hope fast.....like ah losing hope about everything else about dis country.....

As for the lawsuit.....good going fellas.....is time de foolishness done...but wasn't there something recently about FIFA not allowing footballing matters to be tried in courts but will be settled internally??...
Whey de thread on dat?....I too lazy to search for it.....
Title: Re: Warriors serve Camps, T&TFF.
Post by: Bakes on June 30, 2007, 09:48:42 PM

Standard Statutes for Associations (http://fifa.com/mm/document/affederation/federation/standard_statutes_en_1609.pdf)
Specifically mentions Ordinary Courts of Law

Fifa Statutes (http://fifa.com/mm/document/affederation/federation/statutes_08_2006_en_pdf_52.pdf)
pg 41 Article 62

That is what I going on. I might be wrong and even not they may still accomplish what they want.
T&T court have its advantages but time is not one of them.

Good info dey breds...ah didn't even think of the CAS. I personally I'm not a fan of arbitration because I feel like there is less transparency in the rulings. The thing with court cases is that the ruling is based on precedence...so one and easily identify the logic behind the ruling "in (X v. Y 2001) the court ruled such and such and such...the issue in this dispute is identical to that in X v. Y, therefore we apply that ruling here". See in arbitration I'm not sure if there is such a reliance on precedence. I'm not saying there isn't...I honestly don't know...but that's one thing that would trouble me. I've looked at arbitration rulings in the past and often I can't make heads nor tails about them. Not to imply that they're random...but I like to understand via a logical progression as to how the arbitrator or panel arrives at it's decision.

P. 41 Article 62...

Again, great research:

2 Recourse to ordinary courts of law is prohibited unless specifically
provided for in the FIFA regulations.


3 To ensure the foregoing, the Associations shall insert a clause in
their statutes stipulating that their clubs and members are prohibited
from taking a dispute to ordinary courts of law and are required
to submit any disagreement to the jurisdiction of the Association,
the appropriate Confederation or FIFA.


These are the two things that perhaps may offer an explanation. Regarding (2) Is there a provision in this case, that allows for the Players to sue the Federation?

Regarding (3)...the statute speaks of "clubs and members"...no mention of players, so there appears to be no prohibition against players taking the Federation to court.

Also...where "players" are in fact referenced in FIFA statutes, another question would be: does that apply only to individual players or to player associations as well...ex. Dwight Yorke cannot sue FIFA..but does that prohibit FPATT from suing FIFA on Dwight Yorke's behalf?


These I think, would be pertinent questions.
Title: Re: Warriors serve Camps, T&TFF.
Post by: Tallman on July 01, 2007, 10:09:46 AM
The using the same Lawyer as Nakhid
This is leading to more and more confusion.
Ah believe dat is de same lawyer who representin dem fellas who get hold de odda day fuh de JFK plot.
Title: Re: Warriors serve Camps, T&TFF.
Post by: Football supporter on July 01, 2007, 01:42:31 PM

Standard Statutes for Associations (http://fifa.com/mm/document/affederation/federation/standard_statutes_en_1609.pdf)
Specifically mentions Ordinary Courts of Law

Fifa Statutes (http://fifa.com/mm/document/affederation/federation/statutes_08_2006_en_pdf_52.pdf)
pg 41 Article 62

That is what I going on. I might be wrong and even not they may still accomplish what they want.
T&T court have its advantages but time is not one of them.



Good info dey breds...ah didn't even think of the CAS. I personally I'm not a fan of arbitration because I feel like there is less transparency in the rulings. The thing with court cases is that the ruling is based on precedence...so one and easily identify the logic behind the ruling "in (X v. Y 2001) the court ruled such and such and such...the issue in this dispute is identical to that in X v. Y, therefore we apply that ruling here". See in arbitration I'm not sure if there is such a reliance on precedence. I'm not saying there isn't...I honestly don't know...but that's one thing that would trouble me. I've looked at arbitration rulings in the past and often I can't make heads nor tails about them. Not to imply that they're random...but I like to understand via a logical progression as to how the arbitrator or panel arrives at it's decision.

P. 41 Article 62...

Again, great research:

2 Recourse to ordinary courts of law is prohibited unless specifically
provided for in the FIFA regulations.


3 To ensure the foregoing, the Associations shall insert a clause in
their statutes stipulating that their clubs and members are prohibited
from taking a dispute to ordinary courts of law and are required
to submit any disagreement to the jurisdiction of the Association,
the appropriate Confederation or FIFA.


These are the two things that perhaps may offer an explanation. Regarding (2) Is there a provision in this case, that allows for the Players to sue the Federation?

Regarding (3)...the statute speaks of "clubs and members"...no mention of players, so there appears to be no prohibition against players taking the Federation to court.

Also...where "players" are in fact referenced in FIFA statutes, another question would be: does that apply only to individual players or to player associations as well...ex. Dwight Yorke cannot sue FIFA..but does that prohibit FPATT from suing FIFA on Dwight Yorke's behalf?


These I think, would be pertinent questions.


FPATT is not bringing the case, the players are bringing it. I don't think FIFAs rule has ever been challenged in court, but I suspect its about to! If FIFA suspend the players, then FPATT and, presumably, the English PFA , the Scottish PFA and the MLS players association (as some of the players are members) would have to intercede.

Let us look at a hypothetical case. Say socawarriors. net have a membership rule that says anyone posting a message in green can be immediately banned from the site. So be it. Thats there rules and if you don't like it, don't join. However, if socawarriors.net suspended their employees without pay because they wanted to join a union, that would be an infringement of the employees human rights and a court case would ensue, resulting in massive fines.

Same with FIFA. Lets not forget, at the end of a day they make rules about a game. A sport. They are not a state. They cannot remove peoples human rights. I imagine if they banned just one player, they would probably be sued for MILLIONS of pounds. Think of the loss of earnings of Carlos, Stern, Brent etc. Then the damage to their career including future earnings from playing and coaching until age 65. Then the damages to thei reputation.  I think this rule is designed to prevent clubs and associations suing FIFA.
Title: Re: Warriors serve Camps, T&TFF.
Post by: dcs on July 01, 2007, 03:11:57 PM
FPATT that situation is one route the players could take but do they really want to go through all that litigation starting in a T&T court?  They would be fighting two battles one of which they did not sign up for and they may in fight be deemed members of FIFA.

They would in essence have two court cases going on.  I also haven't heard FIFPro say anything against CAS...I would imagine they would have a stance on the subject before now.

Carlos is also not one of the 16 but their suspension from football including club football would be quite costly across the board(mostly the young players not the older ones) for whoever loses but it would be small for FIFA considering what is at stake for them so they would definitely pursue the matter to the fullest.  They also have a recent ruling in their favour though not player litigants.

I just hope their lawyers knew all of these possibilities ahead of time and the players are also aware and made informed decisions.  In any case it need not go that far because neither party want to go there.  Also based on what Scoon has said court can be avoided altogether.
Title: Warner calls on Camps to quit.
Post by: arrow on August 10, 2007, 08:19:23 PM
Warner calls on Camps to quit.
By: Nigel Simon (Guardian).


FIFA vice-president and Concacaf boss Austin Jack Warner has suggested to long-serving T&T Football Federation that he relinquish the post as head of the local federation.
Warner was speaking at the official launch of the Caribbean Football Union Under-15 Tournament at the VIP Lounge, Hasely Crawford Stadium, Mucurapo, yesterday.
In his brief address, Warner said: Mr Camps, its time for you to resign from your president of T&TFF and become an executive president like in some of the other countries.
The sport of football is now a big business and the post needs a full-time professional person. So if any time for you to quit is right, I would say the time is now.
With regards to the CFU tournament which will feature 19 teams and kicks off on August 18 Warner not for the first time lamented on the lack of support from corporate T&T.
He said: If anything in the world will bankrupt me then youth football will and this tournament in particular.
Over the past two years of the tournament it has failed to attract any sort of sponsorship and it seems as though they only like the players when they are big and have important qualifiers in Bahrain and other places.
But it seems those same people dont like to contribute to their development when they are at a young age. These youngsters have to be seen as an investment.
Noting that the tournament is being run at a cost of eight million, the Concacaf boss said they asked for help from numerous companies and what they got in return was zero.
There is nobody we failed to ask, and nobody came forward. But the show goes on.
He asked the audience, How can we be in a land of plenty and nobody has stepped forward?
Warner also thanked all the teams, who have decided to compete in the tournament with little at stake.
I would like to thank the countries which will be participating in an event where there is now money.
Warner who leaves on Tuesday to witness the opening of the Fifa Under-17 World Cup in Korea next Saturday (August 18) also praised the tournament for helping T&T and Haiti reach Korea.
If we did not have these types of competitions we will not at the moment have two teams from the CFU in Korea.
Some people may say that God smiled on us. But they must remember Haiti qualified by beating Honduras and previous Under-17 World Cup winners Mexico, the.

(http://guardian.co.tt/Jack-camps.jpg)
Fifa vice president Jack Warner, centre with T&TFF president Oliver Camps.
Title: Re: Warner calls on Camps to quit
Post by: Big Magician on August 10, 2007, 08:46:03 PM
 

    Take meh stupid advice......thanks for the time...all the best
Title: Re: Warner calls on Camps to quit
Post by: ttcom on August 10, 2007, 08:47:14 PM
That Jackass is an idiot. He think corporate T&T go make him thief their money :rotfl: :rotfl:
Title: Re: Warner calls on Camps to quit
Post by: weary1969 on August 10, 2007, 09:22:38 PM
I say quit smoking just so. Is the businessman daryan Warner per chance. As 4 the lack of money fool me once, fool me twice never again is what corporate TNT must be sayin
Title: Re: Warner calls on Camps to quit
Post by: elan on August 10, 2007, 09:32:42 PM
Do you think that Jack getting senile or suffering from Alzheimer's or something. NO seriously, the things he been saying is kind of mental like.
Title: Re: Warner calls on Camps to quit
Post by: palos on August 10, 2007, 09:45:43 PM
Do you think that Jack getting senile or suffering from Alzheimer's or something. NO seriously, the things he been saying is kind of mental like.

Jack senile like a fox.
Title: Re: Warner calls on Camps to quit
Post by: WestCoast on August 10, 2007, 10:10:27 PM
Do you think that Jack getting senile or suffering from Alzheimer's or something. NO seriously, the things he been saying is kind of mental like.
Jack senile like a fox.

maybe you are spot on
OR
maybe Jackula, as this quote suggests,
"To this end, he taught for all times that leadership is about service. Not about self-interest and self-aggrandizement. He taught an eternal lesson in responsible leadership, as well as the emptiness of a bloated conception of ones ego. To this end, when a man clothes himself with the arrogance of omnipotence, he in Aristotelian terms, crowns himself a beast or a god, because omnipotence never resides in the society of men. He either dwells with the gods, or he ambles with the insane. He either sits in the Olympian heights, or in the pits of bestiality. He either dines with the gods, or he hunts with the dogs. No man can coronate himself a god without unholy consequences. That is a lesson, which humanity unfortunately has failed to learn. "
does not want to lime with the DOGS anymore.

Please read full article here (http://globalpolitician.com/articledes.asp?ID=913&cid=8&sid=59)
Title: Re: Warner calls on Camps to quit
Post by: dreamer on August 11, 2007, 04:49:29 AM
Well look at dis nah!..........Could you believe it?

Imagine Jackula back-stabbin' his own partner in highway robbery, admitting that the Thee Thee F F is performing poorly and failing to build confidence and trust in potential corporate sponsors, and now finding fault all of a sudden in the man he told what to do. Unable to look in the mirror, he condemns Scamps, offering medicine that was meant for Jackula himself. Wha a ting!! :rotfl:

Dis geyyin' real sweet. Is obvious de presshah real gettin' to him.
Title: Re: Warner calls on Camps to quit
Post by: Rodney on August 11, 2007, 04:58:14 AM
Like Warner New Year's resolution was to make the last .0000001% of the earth population that doh hate him want to kill him!

Next stop ....... Don Blatter.
Title: Re: Warner calls on Camps to quit.
Post by: Sando on August 11, 2007, 07:12:51 AM
I will love if Camps resign as he is a waste..... but for Jack Warner to come out in public and say that shows that he is a un-professional rat !!! hope the others take note....

Jack is not Genuine !
Title: Re: Warner calls on Camps to quit
Post by: kappy on August 11, 2007, 08:25:04 AM
Like Warner New Year's resolution was to make the last .0000001% of the earth population that doh hate him want to kill him!

Next stop ....... Don Blatter.

Nah ... dem man making sense ... time fuh dem old farts tuh bus it from football ... de TTFF need new blood ... JACK talk good dey
Title: Re: Warner calls on Camps to quit.
Post by: E-man on August 11, 2007, 08:37:40 AM
But what is he really saying here? Mr Camps, its time for you to resign from your president of T&TFF and become an executive president like in some of the other countries."

What's the difference between a President and Exec President? And who is he planning to propose as a replacement anyway?
Title: Re: Warner calls on Camps to quit.
Post by: zuluwarrior on August 11, 2007, 08:55:13 AM
Big old fox want to put young fox in the position .
Title: Re: Warner calls on Camps to quit.
Post by: Socafan on August 11, 2007, 08:58:39 AM
??? HUH?
Title: Re: Warner calls on Camps to quit.
Post by: Socafan on August 11, 2007, 08:59:21 AM
Big old fox want to put young fox in the position .
OK  now ah get it.
Title: Re: Warner calls on Camps to quit.
Post by: trinbago on August 11, 2007, 09:39:19 AM
Big old fox want to put young fox in the position .
OK now ah get it.

With an executive president comes executive powers....young Warner..oops! :devil:..I mean young Fox will be a wheeling and dealing
Title: Re: Warner calls on Camps to quit.
Post by: just cool on August 12, 2007, 04:13:11 AM
jw RIDE OUT before yuh luck run out nah man. yuh doh know ppl AIN'T HAVING IT no mo. LEAVE WE AND WE FOOTBALL, YUH SUCK WE OUT LONG ENOUGH yuh mutha f@#kin suckuyant.
Title: Re: Warner calls on Camps to quit.
Post by: sjahrain on August 12, 2007, 08:07:04 AM
I just figured it out

I think Jack has inhaled to much of his own gases...... :rotfl:

I also think that he feels the public is in his back pocket,being gases into stupidity
Title: Re: Warner calls on Camps to quit.
Post by: E-man on August 12, 2007, 11:10:05 AM
Warner wants Camps as executive president
By: Newsday


Sunday, August 12 2007

CARIBBEAN football strong man Jack Austin Warner has called on Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation president Oliver Camps to step down and consider taking up the post of executive president.

Warner, the outspoken FIFA vice-president and CONCACAF and CFU boss, told Camps the time had come for him to move on, especially with football in need of a full-time professional.

Mr Camps, its time for you to resign from your (post as) president of TTFF and become an executive president like in some of the other countries, Warner said.

The sport of football is now a big business and the post needs a full-time professional person. So if any time for you to quit is right, I would say the time is now. Warner was speaking at the official launch of the Caribbean Football Union Under-15 tournament, held at the VIP Lounge of the Hasely Crawford Stadium in Mucurapo, Friday. Camps, a member of some of FIFAs executive committees, has been at the helm of the TTFF for over a decade.

He was also manager of the Strike Squad team that missed out on qualifying for the FIFA World Cup in 1990 after losing to the USA 1-0 when needing a draw on November 19 at home.
Title: Re: Warner calls on Camps to quit.
Post by: kounty on August 13, 2007, 08:38:30 AM
anybody know hte difference between a president and an executive president.  Just on pure meaning of words it sound like the 'executive' presdent would have more authority to make unilateral decisions as opposed to a president ona round table who just accepts the votes of an executive committee (which they all have in they back pocket anyway).  ANybody who reading this site have a vote in the upcoming election?  Please get those rodents out of office.  Now is really the time.
Title: Re: Warner calls on Camps to quit.
Post by: weary1969 on August 13, 2007, 09:37:42 AM
In camps case it eh go b any difference. The executive president like Max merely ceremonial. just like how he is now the CEO like the Pm like Jack does run d show
Title: Re: Warner calls on Camps to quit.
Post by: Slade on August 13, 2007, 01:53:25 PM
This is unbelievable.... now he is after Camps, i say crawl back under that rock that you came from Mr Jack Warner.
Title: Re: Warner calls on Camps to quit.
Post by: Bourbon on August 13, 2007, 01:58:48 PM
Like few of allyuh really comprehend the play. First off...as far as i know....there is no executive president of the TTFF.....so that post would have to be created. But if he takes up that created post....it leaves the actual president post vacant....so that requires someone else to take it up....thus.......another job gets created......and a post is available for someone else to occupy. Jack preparing for 2010 and beyond.......
Title: Re: Warner calls on Camps to quit.
Post by: dinho on August 13, 2007, 02:01:38 PM
i find it sounding like he offering camps a bly more than anything else...

an executive president sounding like a post with more clout than a normal president..
Title: Re: Warner calls on Camps to quit.
Post by: grskywalker on August 13, 2007, 02:14:22 PM
Exceutive President means nothing, asking to quit means leave TTFF altogether, buy a pirogue and go do some fishing in Tobago!!!!! >:( >:(

Leave football to people who want things to go forward! Any suggestions? I say get men like Lincoln Phillips, Seadly Joseph etc to form the newcleus of a new look TTFF! An opportunity has presented itself
Title: Re: Warner calls on Camps to quit.
Post by: Deeks on August 13, 2007, 04:58:19 PM
Good Evening Everybody,
                                       Maybe he creating the position for Darren.
Title: Re: Warner calls on Camps to quit.
Post by: weary1969 on August 13, 2007, 05:26:55 PM
Daryan after he tief for 20 yrs then darren will get it. Napoleon and dem eh have nutten on the Warner dynasty
Title: Re: Oliver Camps on i9.95
Post by: E-man on October 12, 2007, 06:35:54 PM
check it out

http://www.i955fm.com/

On elections camps said
- there is no way anyone can serve in the federaton without being elected and he has never been opposed.. no one has contested him for the position .
-ttff elections should be in November (he was kind ah ducking this questioned)
- federation elections should be held every 4 years a fifa rule
- he ask warner to serve as special adviser

While everyone is focused on the general election.

Are TTFF elections next month as well?

in 2002 they took place in a resort in Mayaro: http://www.concacaf.com/Signals.asp?id=9/10/2002&year=2002
Title: Re: Oliver Camps on i9.95
Post by: Deeks on October 12, 2007, 07:32:43 PM
Bull!!!!!!! with a big SHIT!!!!!!
Title: Re: Oliver Camps on i9.95
Post by: Big Magician on October 12, 2007, 10:21:44 PM
man leh we get dis stinkng f#cker out of we football....
Title: Re: Oliver Camps on i9.95
Post by: Kingk on October 13, 2007, 09:26:49 AM
so is anyone running against him ? ???
Title: President Camps urges youngsters to follow by example.
Post by: Flex on October 31, 2007, 05:39:10 PM
Camps urges youngsters to follow by example.
By: Shaun Fuentes (TTFF).
[/size]

Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation President Oliver Camps carried greetings to the Royal Bank Intercol at the launch of the 2007 competition at the Courtyard Marriot on Wednesday morning.
Camps, a former national team manager, urged the youngsters taking part in this year's action to put their best foot forward and he also praised the sponsors for their input which he stressed was vital in the development of the local game.
"It gives me great pleasure to be here with you all for the launch of the 2007 Royal Bank Intercol Series a much anticipated period of the year where we get to witness the football talent at our disposal in keenly contested knockout competition," Camps opened his address.
"It was not too long ago that we witnessed the exploits of our national football team on the world stage in Germany. It was a team consisting of players who began their careers on this very stage the Intercol. From our outstanding captain Dwight Yorke, to Shaka Hislop, Russell Latapy, Stern John and Collin Samuel among others they all blessed this competition at one point in their careers and would have used it as a stepping stone to higher heights. One player who has definitely stepped up big time in recent times is Kenwyne Jones who is proving to one of the key figures for Sunderland in the English Premier League.
"Kenwyne was a member of our national under 17 team at the 2001 World Championship which we hosted so impressively. He as well led St Anthonys College to victories in the Intercol matches and subsequently went on to play World Cup football right across the road at the Hasely Crawford Stadium. Several of you young players will have the early chance to make an impression at that same venue and hopefully follow in the footsteps of Kenwyne and others.
"To the organizers and sponsors of the Intercol, words alone cannot express how much your input means to the development of the local game at the youth level. You are key ingredients in ensuring that our football continues to progress and that our young players continue to develop into top class professionals capable of taking our football to higher levels and making worthy representations on the world stage.
"I take this opportunity to bring blessings to the 2007 tournament from the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation and may we enjoy another Royal season of Intercol football," Camps concluded.
 
View video (http://youtube.com/watch?v=LjsRfGpcuUo) of RBTT's Intercol launch

Click for Fixtures. (http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=30726.msg351168#msg351168)

(http://ttffonline.com/cms/images/stories/TTFFofficialscoaches/oliverfornet20070615122951(1).jpg)
Title: Re: President Camps urges youngsters to follow by example.
Post by: Big Magician on October 31, 2007, 06:36:24 PM
IT SPEAKSSSSSSSSSSSS  .....  SCOTCH AND COCONUT WATER
Title: Re: President Camps urges youngsters to follow by example.
Post by: E-man on October 31, 2007, 07:50:51 PM
IT SPEAKSSSSSSSSSSSS ..... SCOTCH AND COCONUT WATER

Even the dead speak on Halloween
Title: Re: President Camps urges youngsters to follow by example.
Post by: Midknight on October 31, 2007, 08:42:49 PM
Camps urges youngsters to follow by example.
By: Shaun Fuentes (TTFF).
[/size]
     
Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation President Oliver Camps carried greetings to the Royal Bank Intercol at the launch of the 2007 competition at the Courtyard Marriot on Wednesday morning.
Camps, a former national team manager, urged the youngsters taking part in this year's action to put their best foot forward and he also praised the sponsors for their input which he stressed was vital in the development of the local game.
"It gives me great pleasure to be here with you all for the launch of the 2007 Royal Bank Intercol Series a much anticipated period of the year where we get to witness the football talent at our disposal in keenly contested knockout competition," Camps opened his address.
"It was not too long ago that we witnessed the exploits of  our national football team on the world stage in Germany. It was a team consisting of  players who began their careers on this very stage the Intercol. From our outstanding captain Dwight Yorke, to Shaka Hislop, Russell Latapy, Stern John and Collin Samuel among others they all blessed this competition at one point in their careers and would have used it as a stepping stone to higher heights. One player who has definitely stepped up big time in recent times is Kenwyne Jones who is proving to one of the key figures for Sunderland in the English Premier League.
"Kenwyne was a member of our national under 17 team at the 2001 World Championship which we hosted so impressively. He as well  led St Anthonys College to victories in the Intercol matches and subsequently went on to play World Cup football right across the road at the Hasely Crawford Stadium. Several of you young players will have the early chance to make an impression at that same venue and hopefully follow in the footsteps of Kenwyne and others.
"To the organizers and sponsors of the Intercol, words alone cannot express how much your input means to the development of the local game at the youth level. You are key ingredients in ensuring that our football continues to progress and that our young players continue to develop into top class professionals capable of taking our football to higher levels and making worthy representations on the world stage.
"I take this opportunity to bring blessings to the 2007 tournament from the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation and may we enjoy another Royal season of Intercol football," Camps concluded.
 
View video (http://youtube.com/watch?v=LjsRfGpcuUo) of RBTT's Intercol launch

Click for Fixtures. (http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=30726.msg351168#msg351168)

(http://ttffonline.com/cms/images/stories/TTFFofficialscoaches/oliverfornet20070615122951(1).jpg)

how exactly does one follow by example ?
Title: Re: President Camps urges youngsters to follow by example.
Post by: WestCoast on October 31, 2007, 09:07:25 PM
how exactly does one follow by example ?
Midknight ya know it have a nice ring to it eh
Dont be surprised when the TTFF use it as their New brand slogan

"We are the TTFF, where we Follow by Example"
ya ent find it songing good :devil: :devil:
Title: Re: President Camps urges youngsters to follow by example.
Post by: kounty on October 31, 2007, 09:53:53 PM
IT SPEAKSSSSSSSSSSSS ..... SCOTCH AND COCONUT WATER
jack busy
Title: Re: President Camps urges youngsters to follow by example.
Post by: Brownsugar on November 01, 2007, 06:38:21 AM
Actually I now coming to post dat I see Camps on TV last night and ah almost fall off mih chair.....he actually get to stand up in front ah mike and TV cameras and talk....oh lord thank God for elections!!!....ah know Camps eh voting for UNC.....

On second thought he should vote for UNC....if Jack otherwise occupied, then he could actually be de president for ah change.....
Title: Re: President Camps urges youngsters to follow by example.
Post by: Brownsugar on November 01, 2007, 07:01:31 AM
.....and another ting he eh shame to call dem players name in he mouth......ssstteeuppss....
Title: Re: President Camps urges youngsters to follow by example.
Post by: grskywalker on November 01, 2007, 08:22:13 AM
Follow by example hmmm let's see :thinking: :thinking:

 CAMPS to players : Yes you too can be blacklisted in the future
Title: Camps back at the helm as TTFF heads into centennial year.
Post by: FireBrand on November 19, 2007, 01:15:51 PM
Camps back at the helm.
...as TTFF heads into centennial year.
By: Shaun Fuentes (TTFF).

 
The following is a report arising out the Trinidad and Tobagos Annual General Meeting for 2007 held at the Ken Galt Hall, Dr Joao Havelange Centre of Excellence on Sunday morning with the quorum of representatives from the TTFFs General Council.

Matters discussed were as follows:
 
1. Review of revisions to the TTFF Constitution has been completed by the FIFA.

2.Under Article 10.4 of the TTFF Constitution, Executive Officers nominated and seconded by the Eastern Football Association and Central Football Associations respectively, are: Messrs. Oliver Camps - President, Raymond Tim Kee - Vice President, Lennox Watson - Vice President, and Rudolph Thomas Vice President. Other returning Executive Officers of the TTFF were Messrs. Richard Groden General Secretary, and Paula Chester-Cumberbatch Assistant Secretary (Administration).
 
3.The CONCACAF has approved a Referees Coaching Programme to address the worldwide issue of poor refereeing; this would see the creation of Referees Development Officers in each Region.
 
4.The TTFFs 100 Year Anniversary is being planned for year-long recognition involving all aspects of local football. This initiative is being spearheaded by the following experienced and dynamic persons, Messrs. Kenny De Silva Chairman of the Centennial Committee, and Peter OConnor Chief Executive Officer. As part of the Centennial celebrations, FIFA President Blatter would be visiting Trinidad and Tobago, in addition to football matches featuring the German National Team, amongst others.
 
In closing, President Camps noted the need for restructuring of football for stronger inclusion of women and girls football development. Camps, now President since 1992, further stated that he was looking forward to serving yet another term which runs until 2011.
I am very pleased to be reappointed unopposed. I will continue to do my best to ensure that Trinidad and Tobagos football is on the improve. We have a lot of areas to improve on and we will address those areas.
We are indeed quite aware of these challenges and we will be having a retreat with our various officers to sit and have a recap of the past and see how we can strengthen our body for the future, Camps stated.
 
View Oliver Camps Interview (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjjRmwUr2dU).
Title: Re: Camps back at the helm as TTFF heads into centennial year
Post by: Trini _2026 on November 19, 2007, 01:23:35 PM
when did elections take place ????? lord have mercy

and which national team germany sending thier top squad
Title: Re: Camps back at the helm as TTFF heads into centennial year
Post by: Patterson on November 19, 2007, 01:24:47 PM
Congrats Mr Camps,  for u to be there for close to 20 years u must be doing something right.... We look forward to 4 more years of service under your  excellent and impeccable leadership
Title: Re: Camps back at the helm as TTFF heads into centennial year
Post by: E-man on November 19, 2007, 02:20:44 PM
So nobody knew this Annual meeting would take place Sunday except those that would put the current admin back in unopposed?
Title: Re: Camps back at the helm as TTFF heads into centennial year
Post by: Brownsugar on November 19, 2007, 02:28:01 PM
The Fearless One was running an ad last week on I95.5 fm asking when were the elections to be held cuz like it was de best kept secret.......well it come like a thief in de night...

So I guess if only 2 Associations show up and agree to de shit den everything OK....but what de mudder a%$$$## I reading here dis evening.....

SSSSSSTTTTEEEUUUUPPPPSSSSS!!!!!.........2010 WE COMING!!!!...... ::) ::) :'( >:(
Title: Re: Camps back at the helm as TTFF heads into centennial year
Post by: DeSoWa on November 19, 2007, 02:29:46 PM
Steupssssss!!!!  :rotfl:

Big Up!
Title: Re: Camps back at the helm as TTFF heads into centennial year
Post by: TrinInfinite on November 19, 2007, 02:58:13 PM
The Fearless One was running an ad last week on I95.5 fm asking when were the elections to be held cuz like it was de best kept secret.......well it come like a thief in de night...

So I guess if only 2 Associations show up and agree to de shit den everything OK....but what de mudder a%$$$## I reading here dis evening.....

SSSSSSTTTTEEEUUUUPPPPSSSSS!!!!!.........2010 WE COMING!!!!...... ::) ::) :'( >:(


yuh sound propehtic there for the centennial year anniversary  :rotfl: :rotfl:... german national team, well boy... which team playing germany, is the question i will ask? ???

God is de BOSS....
Title: Re: Camps back at the helm as TTFF heads into centennial year
Post by: grskywalker on November 19, 2007, 03:47:17 PM
Geez  the German under 17 could beat that shit side we had in the Gold Cup. We have no local team that could match wits with the Gernan senior squad, EVEN OUR VETERANS would find it very difficult
Title: Re: Camps back at the helm as TTFF heads into centennial year
Post by: Midknight on November 19, 2007, 03:51:07 PM
Check dat smartman move

As for germany, I will believe it when I see it
Title: Re: Camps back at the helm as TTFF heads into centennial year
Post by: Peong on November 19, 2007, 04:45:19 PM
Are there persons in Trinidad who are interested in the TTFF presidency?
Title: Re: Camps back at the helm as TTFF heads into centennial year
Post by: Bakes on November 19, 2007, 04:51:34 PM
So nobody knew this Annual meeting would take place Sunday except those that would put the current admin back in unopposed?

We have to remember that the TTFF is not a public agency but a private association.  One can only assume that Association members (the Eastern and Central Football Associations...whomever they may be) participated.
Title: Re: Camps back at the helm as TTFF heads into centennial year
Post by: Bakes on November 19, 2007, 04:52:23 PM
Are there persons in Trinidad who are interested in the TTFF presidency?

I'm sure there are...but members of the public-at-large would be ineligible to run.
Title: Re: Camps back at the helm as TTFF heads into centennial year.
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on November 19, 2007, 05:09:26 PM
BIG MAG here...."Scotch and coconut f#cking water".....unopposed meh mudder c#nt....
Title: Re: Camps back at the helm as TTFF heads into centennial year.
Post by: Football supporter on November 19, 2007, 05:55:43 PM
Does anybody know when the elections for TTFA take place? After all, they are the recognised representative organisation administering football in T&T.

If they retracted the mandate given to TTFF - a private company- then perhaps football administration would become more open?
Title: Re: Camps back at the helm as TTFF heads into centennial year.
Post by: dreamer on November 19, 2007, 06:08:45 PM
I would like to thank Shaun Fuentes for this very comprehensive report, keeping us updated on what has happened at this very important meeting. As you know this is a die-hard warriors forum and we take all aspect of the game/administration seriously as we really want to help. So Nuff respec' again . But umm ..... Shaun, ....ah ah ah was jess wonderin'.... :-\ yuh couldn't ..... like tell us that de TTFF election was coming up? No offense eh, ah was jess curious. Iz probably not something that actually all of us would have thought of. It jess kinda cross meh mind fuh de fuss time today as ah read dis.

Ah know yuh real busy and yuh know how we does be pulling we hair out about how to make constructive change and ting, but oh gorm. How yuh movin' so?

Wait wait! Sorry..... I'm assuming iz ok for us to know about TTF elections and stuff :'(
Anyway, Shaun, once again we need you to continue as you do to fight for our players and the game and of course, as TTFF communications officer, inform the public on RELEVANT TTFF MATTERS as you see it. Thanks and keep up the good work.
Title: Re: Camps back at the helm as TTFF heads into centennial year.
Post by: E-man on November 19, 2007, 06:15:08 PM
Does anybody know when the elections for TTFA take place? After all, they are the recognised representative organisation administering football in T&T.

If they retracted the mandate given to TTFF - a private company- then perhaps football administration would become more open?

You're referring to kentsoulman's post (http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=31452.0), right? I'd be interested in more details here - What shows that FIFA is recognizing the TTFA?
Title: Re: Camps back at the helm as TTFF heads into centennial year.
Post by: Football supporter on November 19, 2007, 06:31:07 PM
I'm presuming that as TTFF are arranging games and "running" T&T football in general, FIFA but be recognising them. But somewhere, someplace, there must be a document that informs FIFA that TTFF are the new football administration.
Title: Re: Camps back at the helm as TTFF heads into centennial year.
Post by: Deeks on November 19, 2007, 08:28:35 PM
The Eastern and central associations members just rubber stamps anything that is put forward by Jack. That CONSTUTION HAS TO GO. The clubs must have a say in TT football.
Title: Re: Camps back at the helm as TTFF heads into centennial year.
Post by: weary1969 on November 19, 2007, 11:36:39 PM
As I mention to some peeps I feel u can find out d secrets for Angostura bitters and KFC herbs and spices b4 u know when is d TTFF election
Title: Re: Camps back at the helm as TTFF heads into centennial year.
Post by: Bally on November 20, 2007, 10:26:22 AM
This very sad but will continue to happen as long as Jack Warner is alive and you know how the wicked lives forever its sad to talk like that but its true he will continue to sock or football dry until his last days and when his time is up his son will take over so our football affairs will be ran by incompetent and greedy low lifes forever 
Title: Re: Camps back at the helm as TTFF heads into centennial year.
Post by: dreamer on November 20, 2007, 08:50:10 PM
Did it occur to anybody that Scamps looked either very ill or mentaly handicapped or slowed by depression or some kinda drug therapy or jess straight up retarded. This was the most pathetic interview I've seen. He is simply not fit to work ............................ on anything
Title: Re: Camps back at the helm as TTFF heads into centennial year.
Post by: dreamer on November 22, 2007, 07:57:32 AM
New Minister ready to do something?  :'(

http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_sports?id=161239459

Time for results
New minister talks tough to sporting bodies
Kern De Freitas
Thursday, November 22nd 2007

 
Serious talk: New Minister of Sport, Gary Hunt, left, talks business with chairman of the Sports Company of Trinidad and Tobago (SPORTT), Gerard Ferreira at the SPORTT Christmas luncheon at the Hilton Trinidad yesterday. -Photo: Curtis Chase

IT'S time to turn money into results.

This was the message from new Minister of Sport and Youth Affairs, Gary Hunt, as he addressed members of the national sporting fraternity during a Christmas Luncheon hosted by the Sport Company of Trinidad and Tobago (SPORTT) at the Hilton Trinidad and Conference Centre, St Ann's yesterday.

"...Given the amount of money now being pumped into various disciplines, we must begin to see more tangible results," the minister stressed as he outlined the major areas of development on which he is hoping for SPORTT to "continue to focus".

These areas include development of personnel such as athletes, coaches and administrators, the construction and upgrading of facilities, and identifying a path for developing athletes from the primary schools to the elite level.

Other areas Hunt earmarked for serious attention are succession planning, building on the performances by great athletes such as Hasely Crawford and Brian Lara, and also using sport technology and exploring sport science and the benefits of adopting such an approach.

In relaying his excitement and commitment to his new portfolio, Hunt advised SPORTT on the importance of efficiency and achieving set goals. "To whom much is given, much is expected," he added.

Chairman Gerard Ferreira, uttered similar sentiments, telling the different sporting bodies that SPORTT are now looking for return on their investment.

"We are now going to ask for delivery. We are not going to ask for the bang for our buck. We want to deliver the institution that we know sport is," Ferreira stressed.

The former Arima Race Club president revealed that his term as SPORTT chairman is coming to an end, saying that results should now be forthcoming after the unprecedented sums given to sports in T&T.

"It doesn't have to be more gold medals. I want to see more people qualifying for the Olympics," Ferreira said, adding that, "we have to start thinking of sport as an industry".

SPORTT CEO Carol Charles-Austin indicated she was encouraged by some of the achievements T&T have had over the last year, singling out cyclist Emile Abraham, who achieved Pan American Games silver for T&T.

Yesterday, SPORTT also used the occasion to launch their new website, www.sportt-tt.com. In addition to a local news section and a downloadable version of the sport policy and information on sport development, the website also includes sports doping information, including the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) code, as well as information about sport-related jobs, as well a job centre.
 
Title: Re: Camps back at the helm as TTFF heads into centennial year.
Post by: Midknight on November 22, 2007, 08:24:15 AM
As I mention to some peeps I feel u can find out d secrets for Angostura bitters and KFC herbs and spices b4 u know when is d TTFF election

What about d Royal castle Paramin pepper sauce?
Title: Re: Camps back at the helm as TTFF heads into centennial year.
Post by: dreamer on November 22, 2007, 09:19:44 AM
So Express's Keith Smith finally taking a li'l notice an' ting. Nice man

http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_opinion?id=161239417

Ah find Jackula geyyin' plenty mention in de news. Keep it up. Dey go hone in jess now to de crux of de matter.
Title: Re: Camps back at the helm as TTFF heads into centennial year.
Post by: pardners on November 22, 2007, 09:26:28 AM
New Minister ready to do something? :'(

http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_sports?id=161239459

Time for results
New minister talks tough to sporting bodies
Kern De Freitas
Thursday, November 22nd 2007

 
Serious talk: New Minister of Sport, Gary Hunt, left, talks business with chairman of the Sports Company of Trinidad and Tobago (SPORTT), Gerard Ferreira at the SPORTT Christmas luncheon at the Hilton Trinidad yesterday. -Photo: Curtis Chase

IT'S time to turn money into results.

"We are now going to ask for delivery. We are not going to ask for the bang for our buck. We want to deliver the institution that we know sport is," Ferreira stressed.

The former Arima Race Club president revealed that his term as SPORTT chairman is coming to an end, saying that results should now be forthcoming after the unprecedented sums given to sports in T&T.

"It doesn't have to be more gold medals. I want to see more people qualifying for the Olympics," Ferreira said, adding that, "we have to start thinking of sport as an industry".


I wonder if this was a typo on behalf of the author ?
On the news last night it sounded as though he said "we are NOW going to ask for the bang for our buck".......which might be more in keeping with the theme of being results oriented.
Title: NEW Oliver camps Interview TODAY on 95.5fm I-Sports
Post by: PATRIOT on November 24, 2007, 06:38:58 AM
This evening Andre Baptiste will be airing an interview he did with Oliver Camps. Among the questions asked, will be the status of the Black(Jack?)-listed player and the Coach and T&T's prep for the 2010WC Qualifiers Local based can tune in to 95.5fm from 6:15Pm TODAY (SAt 24th) while foreign-based can listen in at http://www.i955fm.com/nowplaying.aspx

P.S. Oh I almost forgot, Andre will also be Re-airing his 2nd 1/2 coverage of the CIC/Malick North Zone Intercol Final...in his own inimitable style ;D
Title: Re: NEW Oliver camps Interview TODAY on 95.5fm I-Sports
Post by: Sando on November 24, 2007, 10:30:21 AM
Thanks Patriot.
Title: Re: NEW Oliver camps Interview TODAY on 95.5fm I-Sports
Post by: Trini _2026 on November 24, 2007, 04:25:56 PM
champs say some changes would be made they not satisfied .. champs don't want to comment on blacklisted players he does not want to say if the players are eligible.
Title: Re: NEW Oliver camps Interview TODAY on 95.5fm I-Sports
Post by: dreamer on November 24, 2007, 04:53:22 PM
...champs don't want to comment on blacklisted players he does not want to say if the players are eligible.


 :waiting: :waiting: :waiting: :waiting: :waiting: :banginghead:
Title: Re: NEW Oliver camps Interview TODAY on 95.5fm I-Sports
Post by: Kingk on November 24, 2007, 08:01:13 PM
...champs don't want to comment on blacklisted players he does not want to say if the players are eligible.


 :waiting: :waiting: :waiting: :waiting: :waiting: :banginghead:


he needs to get the OK from Jack
Title: Re: NEW Oliver camps Interview TODAY on 95.5fm I-Sports
Post by: Trini _2026 on November 24, 2007, 08:04:17 PM
...champs don't want to comment on blacklisted players he does not want to say if the players are eligible.


 :waiting: :waiting: :waiting: :waiting: :waiting: :banginghead:
well he said his lawyers said told him not to comment

he needs to get the OK from Jack
Title: Re: NEW Oliver camps Interview TODAY on 95.5fm I-Sports
Post by: FLi ! on November 24, 2007, 08:40:12 PM

PPl seem to forget that that was one of the terms of the arbitration agreement, that both sides agreed to refrain from commenting on the matter publicly.
Title: Re: NEW Oliver camps Interview TODAY on 95.5fm I-Sports
Post by: dreamer on November 25, 2007, 09:26:36 AM
Ah hear Scampinho was real real pathetic on Andre "de fearless one" Baptiste's show on I95.5 FM.
Patriot yuh want to elaborate on da one?
Title: Re: NEW Oliver camps Interview TODAY on 95.5fm I-Sports
Post by: weary1969 on November 25, 2007, 05:21:57 PM
I eh hear it put Scamps cyah b nutten but pathethic
Title: Re: NEW Oliver camps Interview TODAY on 95.5fm I-Sports
Post by: Football supporter on November 25, 2007, 08:17:20 PM

PPl seem to forget that that was one of the terms of the arbitration agreement, that both sides agreed to refrain from commenting on the matter publicly.

True, but I also thought that one of the terms was also that the blacklist was officially called off. Therefore, the only answer should have been that ALL players are eligible. By saying that he doesn't want to comment, Mr Camps is not complying with the spirit of the agreement.
Title: Re: NEW Oliver camps Interview TODAY on 95.5fm I-Sports
Post by: dreamer on November 25, 2007, 08:26:33 PM
FPATT I strongly believe you are correct. Iz true. I thougt there was a truce. Blacklist over, arbitraton instead of the other court that Jackula seemed to feared more (maybe because it impacted more on his ability to campaign for the elections and deal with controversy.) I believe he relished the gag order which made the blacklist issue  news blackout topic before the election but I guess that could have happened in any legal process

FPATT I would like you to explain what the arbitration route can and cannot do in contrast to a more "potent?" court system. I purposely used this inappropriate term so that any myths can be dispelled, if myth is the right term. How does it work? Who has the advantage? What are the limitations? Thanks.  :beermug:
Title: Re: NEW Oliver camps Interview TODAY on 95.5fm I-Sports
Post by: Football supporter on November 25, 2007, 09:13:28 PM
Dreamer, remmember that FPATT are not involved directly in this dispute.

However, I understand that the main difference is cost nd speed. The arbitrator sets a date by which the dispute must be settled, in this case, I think, the end of March. The cost is infinately less expensive.

I understand that the same disclosure rules apply and the findings can be made public. Any fines can still be imposed and if there are any laws broken, these can still be referred to the authorities.

I think its main benefit is that there is no need to attend a civil court and therefore the case can be judged more quickly with less expense.

I would imagine that arbitration in London is only slightly preferable to TTFF, and that, only because of the above reasons.

 In the future, FPATT would refer any player disputes to aDispute Resoloution Chamber, which is FIFAs preferred mechanism. This would be made up of 50% of personnel chosen by the player and this would usually include representatives of the players association and/or FIFPro personnel. FIFA has declared that these DRCs have to be in place (I think) by 2010 in CONCACAF and 2008 in UEFA.

FIFA have officially recognised FIFPro as the sole representative of the players, and as such, all players associations affiliated to FIFPro should also be recognised by national and international football associations as independent players associations. This means that when FPATT become members of FIFPro, TTFF have no choice but to recognise FPATT and their position represent and negotiate on behalf of players.
Title: Re: NEW Oliver camps Interview TODAY on 95.5fm I-Sports
Post by: dreamer on November 25, 2007, 09:21:07 PM
Excellent answer. Thanks for the education. We need more of this talk on the forum.
With your answer yuh could see how FPATT becomes vital so as to access FiFPro  :thinking:
Title: Re: NEW Oliver camps Interview TODAY on 95.5fm I-Sports
Post by: dreamer on November 25, 2007, 09:49:20 PM
So apart from the tangential issues discussed, the purpose of this thread seems to have gone to nought!  >:(
Waste ah time.
Title: Re: NEW Oliver camps Interview TODAY on 95.5fm I-Sports
Post by: weary1969 on November 26, 2007, 07:09:23 PM
How much can u say bout Scamps? D man is a bad joke an incompetent fool etc etc
Title: Re: NEW Oliver camps Interview TODAY on 95.5fm I-Sports
Post by: Deeks on November 26, 2007, 07:25:18 PM
How long this arbitration fiasco going take. We need these players now to prepare for the WC.
Title: Re: NEW Oliver camps Interview TODAY on 95.5fm I-Sports
Post by: kentsoulman on November 26, 2007, 09:30:20 PM
Nothings going to be resolved until March. Thats when the decision is made. Still much quicker than court.

If Warners gonna "leave no stone unturned", theres no reason not to pick players from the 16.

He can't be that stupid to ignore at least 5 of T&Ts best players......can he?
Title: Re: NEW Oliver camps Interview TODAY on 95.5fm I-Sports
Post by: WestCoast on November 26, 2007, 09:39:41 PM
Nothings going to be resolved until March. Thats when the decision is made. Still much quicker than court.
If Warners gonna "leave no stone unturned", theres no reason not to pick players from the 16.
He can't be that stupid to ignore at least 5 of T&Ts best players......can he?
with that $173 Million TnT, he does NOT need TnT Football anymore
the biggest Fowl Tief in FIFA
Title: TTFF, Camps one-man company
Post by: PATRIOT on March 01, 2008, 04:22:56 PM
TTFF, Camps one-man company.
By: Week-end Investigation (Sunday Mirror).


Shocker: The Trinidad and Tobago Footbal Federation (TTFF) of which Jack Warner is Special Adviser and which has received over $45 million of taxpayers fundsis, in fact a sole trader company owned by it's President Oliver Camps and not a normal sports organization as the public has been led to believe.

Anther eye-opener is that Warner has paid sacked Dutch Coach Wim Rijsbergen twice out of his secret personal Cayman Islands account.

These 'bombshells" are contained in the afidavit of a writ Rijsbergen filed against Camps in the High Court on Wednesday.

Government paid out some $45 milion to the TTFF with Camps, himself, receiving the cheques for expenses incurred in preparing the Soca Warrios for the 2006 Football World Cup in Germany - possibly, unaware that the TTFF is a one-man company.

Rijsbergen, who was dismissed in December following a verbal altercation with Technical Director Lincoln Phillips, is seeking some US$90,000 in arrears of salary damages for breach of contract, exemplary damages, costs and other relief.

Rijsbergen, who was Leo Beenhakker's assistant, succeeded him 18 months ago when Beenhaker quit the job after the World Cup to coach Poland.

He was hired at a tax-free monthly salary of US$60,000 plus other perks for a four-year period. However, he was short-paid by some US$10,000 monthly during the period August 2006 to July 2007 and received the sum of US$9,905 from Warner which represented his August Salary.

He claimed that he was further short-paid by US$10,000 for the months of September, October and November 207 and received no salary for December.
Things went sour following an alleged confrontation between himsef and former national goal-keeper Lincoln Philips last year.

He contended that he was treated unfairly by Camps "in the handling of the alleged incident" and the purported convening of a tribunal which he claimed "broke every tenet of the rules of national justice,fairness transparency".
The four-member tribunal or disciplinary committee, which gave him short notice about its deliberations , comprised Lennox Watson, Ewing Davis, Elvis Charles and Sushilla Jadoonanan.

They found that Rijsbergen's language constituted "acts of intimidation" against Phillips and "was unneccessary, unprofessional and unfounded and would, therefore, bring the TTFF into disrepute".

The committee also found that while there was an assault against Phillips, "it was not a physical one". He was found guilty of misconduct on December 6th by the Tribunal and suspended for a six month period from December 4.
The Dutch coach is contending that he was not given the opportunity to cross-examine his accuser, to have witnesses, to address the disciplinary comittee in his defence or to have legal counsel.

He was also not advised of his rights to appeal and on December 17, a letter by courier service arrived at his home in Holland advising him that he had "failed to file an appeal of the said decision and the date for filing such an appeal has expired".

On January 3, Camps told a press conference that an interim national coach, Francisco Manturana, had ben appointed. Neither Camps nor Warner could be contacted on the matter since both are out of the country.

Mirror Weekend wanted to quiz Camps about the true status of TTFF. Pursuant to the said contract Oliver Camps and TTFF has been credited by the Chairman with certain payments particulars whereof and the corresponding source of funds (where available) are set forth in he chart below.

TAKEN FROM THE SUNDAY MIRROR MARCH 2ND PG 3
Title: Re: TTFF, Camps one-man company
Post by: RGarcia on March 01, 2008, 04:36:07 PM
  :whistling: :whistling: :whistling:
Title: Re: TTFF, Camps one-man company
Post by: WestCoast on March 01, 2008, 04:42:17 PM
is the mirror a credible source for news :whistling: :whistling:
Title: Re: TTFF, Camps one-man company
Post by: grimm01 on March 01, 2008, 05:33:11 PM
What happen in the dark...

But i particularly liked the line "...was unneccessary, unprofessional and unfounded and would, therefore, bring the TTFF into disrepute"

oh the irony.  :devil:
Title: Re: TTFF, Camps one-man company
Post by: weary1969 on March 01, 2008, 05:40:34 PM
Yes d mirror does have d trute. Dey does like dey bachanal but dey does have d trute. I await d spin by JW
Title: Re: TTFF, Camps one-man company
Post by: D.H.W on March 01, 2008, 06:27:20 PM
Yes d mirror does have d trute. Dey does like dey bachanal but dey does have d trute. I await d spin by JW

like the devil shape smoke that pop up over a bun down factory a couple of years ago  :whistling:
Title: Re: TTFF, Camps one-man company
Post by: SHOTTA on March 01, 2008, 08:37:24 PM
and so the cookie crumbles..................this law suit and all them thing goin to be the end of the ttff first though and i aint so sure if that is goin to be good or bad for we football.
Title: Re: TTFF, Camps one-man company
Post by: E-man on March 01, 2008, 08:46:26 PM
and so the cookie crumbles..................this law suit and all them thing goin to be the end of the ttff first though and i aint so sure if that is goin to be good or bad for we football.

bad in the short term, good in the long
Title: Re: TTFF, Camps one-man company
Post by: weary1969 on March 02, 2008, 11:23:09 AM
I eagerly await d rebuttal
Title: Re: TTFF, Camps one-man company
Post by: Coop's on March 02, 2008, 11:42:36 AM
and so the cookie crumbles..................this law suit and all them thing goin to be the end of the ttff first though and i aint so sure if that is goin to be good or bad for we football.
       You damn right because if those two guys gone Football don't have a cent,i'm around Football too long and my senses always told me our Football was owned by those guys,they have too much control,they surround themselves with only yes people,in the end we might get them out not without a fight but it will take us some good years to recover,we already behind in our development as a Football nation this will set us back even more,everything Football in the country has JW/Camps signature on it,they own it.     
Title: Re: TTFF, Camps one-man company
Post by: palos on March 02, 2008, 01:01:02 PM
and so the cookie crumbles..................this law suit and all them thing goin to be the end of the ttff first though and i aint so sure if that is goin to be good or bad for we football.
You damn right because if those two guys gone Football don't have a cent,i'm around Football too long and my senses always told me our Football was owned by those guys,they have too much control,they surround themselves with only yes people,in the end we might get them out not without a fight but it will take us some good years to recover,we already behind in our development as a Football nation this will set us back even more,everything Football in the country has JW/Camps signature on it,they own it.

So what's your position?

Continue with the staus quo and allow them to continue to run roughshod over a game & country you and all of us claim to love?

OR

Do whatever it takes to remove them and create a new beginning for our football no matter what pain we will have to endure in the interim?

What do YOU Coop's say?
Title: Re: TTFF, Camps one-man company
Post by: WestCoast on March 02, 2008, 01:38:24 PM
my opinion in song (http://youtube.com/watch?v=5zTxUxFjLB0)


addendum:
I know a place where we can carry on (http://youtube.com/watch?v=NegID3hoQC0&feature=related) and that is a place without the previous way that players and coaches have been treated.....with or without this current crop of administrators in the TTFF.
 In other words we need a change in Style.........to treat people fairly
Title: Re: TTFF, Camps one-man company
Post by: Coop's on March 02, 2008, 01:42:05 PM
and so the cookie crumbles..................this law suit and all them thing goin to be the end of the ttff first though and i aint so sure if that is goin to be good or bad for we football.
You damn right because if those two guys gone Football don't have a cent,i'm around Football too long and my senses always told me our Football was owned by those guys,they have too much control,they surround themselves with only yes people,in the end we might get them out not without a fight but it will take us some good years to recover,we already behind in our development as a Football nation this will set us back even more,everything Football in the country has JW/Camps signature on it,they own it.

So what's your position?

Continue with the staus quo and allow them to continue to run roughshod over a game & country you and all of us claim to love?

OR

Do whatever it takes to remove them and create a new beginning for our football no matter what pain we will have to endure in the interim?

What do YOU Coop's say?
I agree with you on this you know Palos,i like your second option but is how our country will deal with such a move is what concerns me,it have people here that have no patience,if the present administration gone they still want us to qualify/win every tournament we play in,give who ever take control a hard time,i know my people we are the biggest critiques of our own self.Look at what happening,we going to wait until they boot out JW and Camps them we will start looking for somebody to replace them,we are never prepared for nothing,we have no plan for when they gone so people will always be saying "if" both of then was there,they have so much control people afraid to even say how will replace them,but don't feel for one minute i want them to stay.
Title: Re: TTFF, Camps one-man company
Post by: Coop's on March 02, 2008, 01:44:05 PM
my opinion in song (http://youtube.com/watch?v=5zTxUxFjLB0)

           :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:
         
Title: Re: TTFF, Camps one-man company
Post by: KND2 on March 02, 2008, 02:29:28 PM
If a man hire you at 60K a month tax free and ducking for salary by 10K a month after 2 -3 months it might be time to walk away and make some noise.


imagine Jack and them want to pay this man 60K US dollars a month to coach professional players who only send on average 1 week every other week actually getting some coaching.


A man like corneal have to be at least getting 30K a month US.

This is real money

Jack I waiting on my work!

If I go trinidad right now and ask jack for 60000TT to be in charge of picking up all the big stone and pulling up all the timari and water the grass in eddie hart savanah
You know they go call me a mad man.


This is how the world does work.


As far as the TTFF vs TFA with the TTFF being an individual company I did know that long time.

But I dont know the dealings of how each thing does work.

Is a blasted conspricy

I cannot wait to see how this Jack Warner story going to end.
Title: Re: TTFF, Camps one-man company
Post by: kentsoulman on March 02, 2008, 03:02:19 PM
People, you're gonna need to help me here.....

If what I read here is true, T&T football is governed and run by one man??? That can't be right.

OK, I knew Warner was actually running things behind his puppet administration, but how the hell can the T&T govt, FIFA, CONCACAF, FPATT and FIFPro allow this to happen??

Football is supposed to be run by the people, for the people. In other words, it has to be democratic.

What I don't undertand is how they had elections when its a private company. And what did Camps do with the $173 million? If its his company, then its his money.

In most countries in the world, this news old lead to immediate suspension of TTFF pending an enquiry. The govt have to give a mandate to someone to act as representatives of football in there nation. Surely they didn't give it to Mr Camps to act alone without any recourse?

The most outrageus thing is that Warner bounces around the world telling people how they should run football and trying to suspend national federations, and yet he must have known about this.

This cannot be allowed to continue. Players should refuse to play, ProLeague should demand clarification, FIFA should suspend Warner and the Govt should launch an inquiry including freezing of assets and a full audit.

Title: Re: TTFF, Camps one-man company
Post by: E-man on March 02, 2008, 04:16:57 PM
kent,
You had alluded to the difference between the TTFA and the TTFF in this thread:

TTFA or TTFF. Which is legally the administration? (http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=31452.0)

and I've read a few other little blurbs about the demise of the TTFA but it was hard to get the full story. This is the first time I've heard it was a sole proprietorship.
Title: Re: TTFF, Camps one-man company
Post by: kentsoulman on March 02, 2008, 04:28:17 PM
kent,
You had alluded to the difference between the TTFA and the TTFF in this thread:

TTFA or TTFF. Which is legally the administration? (http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=31452.0)

and I've read a few other little blurbs about the demise of the TTFA but it was hard to get the full story. This is the first time I've heard it was a sole proprietorship.


This is what I mean. Its one thing having a body licenced by TTFA with some kind of accountability, but a sole proprietor is the same as a dictatorship. No one to answer to.
Title: Re: TTFF, Camps one-man company
Post by: E-man on March 02, 2008, 04:41:21 PM
I just found this from the Los Angeles Times Nov 18, 1989:

"That would be a staggering accomplishment considering that the TTFA almost ceased to exist earlier this decade. Between 1983 and '86, a rival group, the T&T Football Federation, attempted a hostile takeover of soccer on the islands. It had the support of the ruling party, the People's National Movement, but it was not sanctioned by the International Federation of Association Football (FIFA).

A British colony until 1962, T&T was still playing a style heavily influenced by Englishmen who coached on the islands years before. Their style featured long balls down the wings and crosses to target men. [Cummings] decided to stress individual one-on-one skills but with structure. He looked toward Brazil.

T&T was this close to qualifying for the World Cup finals once before, in 1973. But in a decisive game in Haiti, four T&T goals were called back in a 2-1 loss. Afterward, the referee and the linesman were banned for life by FIFA, but the result stood."

The rest of the story is only for pay users unfortunately, but at least it documents the dates 83-86.
Title: Re: TTFF, Camps one-man company
Post by: Trini _2026 on March 02, 2008, 05:25:18 PM
I just found this from the Los Angeles Times Nov 18, 1989:

"That would be a staggering accomplishment considering that the TTFA almost ceased to exist earlier this decade. Between 1983 and '86, a rival group, the T&T Football Federation, attempted a hostile takeover of soccer on the islands. It had the support of the ruling party, the People's National Movement, but it was not sanctioned by the International Federation of Association Football (FIFA).


who were those individuals and where are they(rival group) today?
Title: Re: TTFF, Camps one-man company
Post by: kentsoulman on March 02, 2008, 06:05:16 PM
I just found this from the Los Angeles Times Nov 18, 1989:

"That would be a staggering accomplishment considering that the TTFA almost ceased to exist earlier this decade. Between 1983 and '86, a rival group, the T&T Football Federation, attempted a hostile takeover of soccer on the islands. It had the support of the ruling party, the People's National Movement, but it was not sanctioned by the International Federation of Association Football (FIFA).


who were those individuals and where are they(rival group) today?

Isn't that fairly obvious? The rival group must have been Warner, Camps etc. Be interesting to know when TTFF took over and was Warner involved in FIFA then? That way, he would have quashed any intervention by FIFA.
Title: Re: TTFF, Camps one-man company
Post by: WestCoast on March 02, 2008, 07:46:32 PM
OK, I knew Warner was actually running things behind his puppet administration, but how the hell can the T&T govt, FIFA, CONCACAF, FPATT and FIFPro allow this to happen??
Kent, my 2 cents here
based solely on my impressions of the last XX years....dont want to give my age :rotfl: :rotfl:

Warner realised from VERY early that Football had MONEY....PLENTY Money to be made.
he aligned himself with Dr. Joao Havelange, who probably taught him many things. Check Jackula's monument to him in Trinidad here (http://www.concacaf.com/centre.asp)
as his influence in Concacaf grew , and his eventual election to President , he was able to influence the vote concerning the election of Blatter as head of FIFA. Therefore Jackula IS Blatter's DADDY. What Jackula wants Blatter GIVES.
He is also president of CFU and "Special Advisor" to the TTFF....make NO MISTAKE about it, Jackula IS THE TTFF...it is JUST a loop hole that he HAS TO have the label of "Special Advisor".
The people in the TTFF, I am lead to believe, can't even relieve themselves without Jackula's permission, his power over them is that strong.
please remember that this is solely my opinion based on events of the past. ;)

KSM, maybe you should slowly peruse this thread (http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=24764.msg271021#msg271021)

Football is supposed to be run by the people, for the people. In other words, it has to be democratic.
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:  NOT IN TNT my friend. Welcome to Warner's WORLD. ;)
very sorry but I just had to put this by itself

I just found this from the Los Angeles Times Nov 18, 1989:

"That would be a staggering accomplishment considering that the TTFA almost ceased to exist earlier this decade. Between 1983 and '86, a rival group, the T&T Football Federation, attempted a hostile takeover of soccer on the islands. It had the support of the ruling party, the People's National Movement, but it was not sanctioned by the International Federation of Association Football (FIFA).


who were those individuals and where are they(rival group) today?

Isn't that fairly obvious? The rival group must have been Warner, Camps etc. Be interesting to know when TTFF took over and was Warner involved in FIFA then? That way, he would have quashed any intervention by FIFA.
I believe that the group, the TTFF, were VERY successful ;)
because that is what we have now.
maybe the reporter got it mixed up. ;) ;)
Title: Re: TTFF, Camps one-man company
Post by: Trini _2026 on March 02, 2008, 08:13:11 PM

as his influence in Concacaf grew , and his eventual election to President , he was able to influence the vote concerning the election of Blatter as head of FIFA. Therefore Jackula IS Blatter's DADDY. What Jackula wants Blatter GIVES.

Jack need blatter to have his way and blatter need Jack to stay in power . I wish they fall out one day
Title: Re: TTFF, Camps one-man company
Post by: Trini _2026 on March 03, 2008, 03:41:23 AM
OK, I knew Warner was actually running things behind his puppet administration, but how the hell can the T&T govt, FIFA, CONCACAF, FPATT and FIFPro allow this to happen??
Kent, my 2 cents here
based solely on my impressions of the last XX years....dont want to give my age :rotfl: :rotfl:

Warner realised from VERY early that Football had MONEY....PLENTY Money to be made.
he aligned himself with Dr. Joao Havelange, who probably taught him many things. Check Jackula's monument to him in Trinidad here (http://www.concacaf.com/centre.asp)
as his influence in Concacaf grew , and his eventual election to President , he was able to influence the vote concerning the election of Blatter as head of FIFA. Therefore Jackula IS Blatter's DADDY. What Jackula wants Blatter GIVES.
He is also president of CFU and "Special Advisor" to the TTFF....make NO MISTAKE about it, Jackula IS THE TTFF...it is JUST a loop hole that he HAS TO have the label of "Special Advisor".
The people in the TTFF, I am lead to believe, can't even relieve themselves without Jackula's permission, his power over them is that strong.
please remember that this is solely my opinion based on events of the past. ;)

KSM, maybe you should slowly peruse this thread (http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=24764.msg271021#msg271021)

Football is supposed to be run by the people, for the people. In other words, it has to be democratic.
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: NOT IN TNT my friend. Welcome to Warner's WORLD. ;)
very sorry but I just had to put this by itself

I just found this from the Los Angeles Times Nov 18, 1989:

"That would be a staggering accomplishment considering that the TTFA almost ceased to exist earlier this decade. Between 1983 and '86, a rival group, the T&T Football Federation, attempted a hostile takeover of soccer on the islands. It had the support of the ruling party, the People's National Movement, but it was not sanctioned by the International Federation of Association Football (FIFA).


who were those individuals and where are they(rival group) today?

Isn't that fairly obvious? The rival group must have been Warner, Camps etc. Be interesting to know when TTFF took over and was Warner involved in FIFA then? That way, he would have quashed any intervention by FIFA.
I believe that the group, the TTFF, were VERY successful ;)
because that is what we have now.
maybe the reporter got it mixed up. ;) ;)

ok so the same can happen to camps i presume
Title: Re: TTFF, Camps one-man company
Post by: Coop's on March 03, 2008, 12:20:11 PM
I would like everyone to know why i am so concerned about what's going on with our Football,Suriname at one time was a power house in the region,their big man at the time was Andre Campervene he was also in charge of the region,he came and died and that was the end of Suriname as a Football country,they never recovered.I just wanted to mention that. 
Title: Re: TTFF, Camps one-man company
Post by: E-man on March 03, 2008, 12:23:24 PM
I would like everyone to know why i am so concerned about what's going on with our Football,Suriname at one time was a power house in the region,their big man at the time was Andre Campervene he was also in charge of the region,he came and died and that was the end of Suriname as a Football country,they never recovered.I just wanted to mention that. 

"Andre Kamperveen was assassinated by political opponents in 1982 and was succeeded as CFU President by Jack Warner. Today, Kamperveens contribution to the country is memorialised in the national stadium, which bears his name."
Title: Re: TTFF, Camps one-man company
Post by: WestCoast on March 03, 2008, 12:27:56 PM
I would like everyone to know why i am so concerned about what's going on with our Football,Suriname at one time was a power house in the region,their big man at the time was Andre Campervene he was also in charge of the region,he came and died and that was the end of Suriname as a Football country,they never recovered.I just wanted to mention that.
"Andre Kamperveen was assassinated ................in 1982 and was succeeded as CFU President by Jack Warner.
:thinking:
naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah........................
I would love to say it but I just cant bring myself to ;)

SERIOUSLY:
Coop's, suppose if something that bad was to happen with the TTFF and the next person to lead the TTFF was a civilised Human Being who treated people fairly....could that be a very possible scenario then ??
Title: Re: TTFF, Camps one-man company
Post by: Coop's on March 03, 2008, 01:05:59 PM
I would like everyone to know why i am so concerned about what's going on with our Football,Suriname at one time was a power house in the region,their big man at the time was Andre Campervene he was also in charge of the region,he came and died and that was the end of Suriname as a Football country,they never recovered.I just wanted to mention that.
"Andre Kamperveen was assassinated ................in 1982 and was succeeded as CFU President by Jack Warner.
:thinking:
naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah........................
I would love to say it but I just cant bring myself to ;)

SERIOUSLY:
Coop's, suppose if something that bad was to happen with the TTFF and the next person to lead the TTFF was a civilised Human Being who treated people fairly....could that be a very possible scenario then ??
         For sure that would be the ideal scenario,the thing is we have dug ourselves such a big hole i would not like to be in the shoes of who ever is going to take over from Jack and Camps.
Title: Re: TTFF, Camps one-man company
Post by: Brownsugar on March 03, 2008, 01:07:12 PM
I would like everyone to know why i am so concerned about what's going on with our Football,Suriname at one time was a power house in the region,their big man at the time was Andre Campervene he was also in charge of the region,he came and died and that was the end of Suriname as a Football country,they never recovered.I just wanted to mention that.

"Andre Kamperveen was assassinated by political opponents in 1982 and was succeeded as CFU President by Jack Warner.

:o :-X :-X
Title: Re: TTFF, Camps one-man company
Post by: Mr Mc on March 03, 2008, 01:44:56 PM
I would like everyone to know why i am so concerned about what's going on with our Football,Suriname at one time was a power house in the region,their big man at the time was Andre Campervene he was also in charge of the region,he came and died and that was the end of Suriname as a Football country,they never recovered.I just wanted to mention that.

"Andre Kamperveen was assassinated by political opponents in 1982 and was succeeded as CFU President by Jack Warner.

:o :-X :-X

a chill went down my spine when i read that!!

i would like for Jack's removal from TnT football to coincide with his removal from FIFA, cause if he still in FIFA and we somehow manage to get rid of him...well as they say "hell hath no fury..."

With Jack gone from the TTFF and FIFA, we will be without the rich godfather to carry us, but i think its worth it in the long run.  We will be jus like all the other countries in CONCACAF with no Jack Warner and little money.
We go hadda make do, and play good football.
Title: Re: TTFF, Camps one-man company
Post by: ZANDOLIE on March 03, 2008, 04:42:26 PM
I would like everyone to know why i am so concerned about what's going on with our Football,Suriname at one time was a power house in the region,their big man at the time was Andre Campervene he was also in charge of the region,he came and died and that was the end of Suriname as a Football country,they never recovered.I just wanted to mention that. 

"Andre Kamperveen was assassinated by political opponents in 1982 and was succeeded as CFU President by Jack Warner.

  :o  :-X :-X

 ::) :thinking:

Nah!
Title: Re: TTFF, Camps one-man company
Post by: weary1969 on March 03, 2008, 04:56:32 PM
Coops

I understand yuh concerns but we eh Suriname. All d money peeps can make will not cause we 2 dead. Dis site alone go insure dat when JW gone we will continue and in face a far better position. Nobody eh go name any room after JW like he did with Andre Campervene
Title: Re: TTFF, Camps one-man company
Post by: WestCoast on March 03, 2008, 04:58:49 PM
With Jack gone from the TTFF and FIFA, we will be without the rich godfather to carry us, but i think its worth it in the long run. We will be jus like all the other countries in CONCACAF with no Jack Warner and little money.
We go hadda make do, and play good football.
may I add that countries like Jamaica made it to the "Big Fete" way before we did and they NEVER had someone like Warner............CoIncidence.............. :thinking:............I leave that for you to decide... ;) ;)
Title: Re: TTFF, Camps one-man company
Post by: Deeks on March 03, 2008, 08:34:47 PM
Good Guys,
               Coops your piece about Jack and Camps is true. If they gone we will not have money. That may be true, but I will take my chances. It can't get any worse. For the past30 yrs, our football is "plenty, plenty, plenty lows and 2 or 3 highs. There is no flooking consistency. Everytime we on a high, jack does burst the bubble. We have to start with somebody new. This is like the "Eric William syndrome" If the Doc dead who we go put. Well Eric gone, we have had 4 PMs since and we moving along. The ride rough and bumpy, but we will find a way to move to smooth waters. The same analogy applies to our football.
Title: Re: TTFF, Camps one-man company
Post by: truetrini on March 03, 2008, 09:42:14 PM
Andre Kamperveen was killed, but really, it hard to make Jack complicit in dat!

De time den was real bad for Surinam, dem was Caribbean kings in ball, Kamperveen did start the CFU and ting, but dem did have military rule, demonstrations and ting and de man get killed by his opponents, he was very powerful in Suriname and had enemies.  Surinam was real ketching ass, if I am not mistaken I think little T&T did lend dem money and all.

Jack and Kamperveen was partners too, but jack's mentor as well as USA's chuck Blazer was Joao Havelange dat is de man who start de mafia ting and who coach jack warner and help him into power!

Havelange and Pele had big fights when Pele was minister of sports for Brazil and wanted to change de administration of football ibn Barazil.

havelange tell dem he go ban brazil form de world Cup and dem was defending champs  too, if Pele and dem didnt chill out.

By de way Kavelange was a brazilian

Title: Warner takes out frustration on Oliver Camps.
Post by: Sam on March 29, 2008, 05:14:51 AM
Take Wood

(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f34/SephyKomodo/538354_chicken-rabbit-sex.png)

 :whistling: :whistling:

 :whistling: :whistling:
Title: Re: Warner takes out frustration on Oliver Camps.
Post by: JDB on March 29, 2008, 06:18:16 AM
Lol...I see the title and I know it had to be shit but I wasn't expecting this
Title: Re: Warner takes out frustration on Oliver Camps.
Post by: Disgruntled_Trini on March 29, 2008, 06:42:44 AM
Sam, yuh bring a smile to a somewhat dreary morning. I in the line for the so called fast ferry trying to head to Tobago. I had to deal with the port authority workers and the "nigg&s who I am surrounded by. This is the only thing that bring a smile to my face. Camps look like he well like the rabbit chook too eh!!!
Title: Re: Warner takes out frustration on Oliver Camps.
Post by: Star Child on March 29, 2008, 06:44:31 AM
 :o

 :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

 :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Title: Re: Warner takes out frustration on Oliver Camps.
Post by: che on March 29, 2008, 06:59:38 AM
 :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: what ah way to start my day :beermug: :beermug:
Title: Re: Warner takes out frustration on Oliver Camps.
Post by: benedicts bwoy on March 29, 2008, 08:06:44 AM
Yes boy SAM...............yuh good dred !!
Dat one is 'Post of de Century ' ;D ;D

 :rotfl: :rotfl:
 :rotfl: :rotfl:
Title: Re: Warner takes out frustration on Oliver Camps.
Post by: Ngozi on March 29, 2008, 08:32:15 AM
umm ...... oh
Title: Re: Warner takes out frustration on Oliver Camps.
Post by: Brownsugar on March 29, 2008, 12:30:15 PM
 :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
 :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

nah man......dis forum have to be de bess in WORLD!!!!...

 :rotfl: :rotfl:
Title: Re: Warner takes out frustration on Oliver Camps.
Post by: Babalawo on March 29, 2008, 02:01:09 PM
:rotfl: :rotfl: I made this website when i was a little boy. omg I didnt know it was still around lol  Sam it have a mention of you there too and flex

http://www.geocities.com/fireolivercamps/index.html
Title: Re: Warner takes out frustration on Oliver Camps.
Post by: weary1969 on March 29, 2008, 02:52:40 PM
ok then
Title: Satement from President of TTFF Oliver Camps.
Post by: Trini _2026 on April 05, 2008, 06:00:18 PM
Statment from president of TTFF Oliver Camps.
...in response to minister Gary Hunt.
By: Shaun Fuentes (TTFF).


I had planned not to dignify the Minister of Sport and Youth Affairs attack on the Football Federation last Thursday with a response of any kind. But since he chose to attack the T&TFF in the midst of our hosting the CONCACAF Futsal Qualifying Competition when we have hundreds of our football colleagues in our midst, I, in my capacity as President of the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation, have chosen to respond to him so as to set the records straight, at least in the eyes of our international colleagues.
 
The Minister, after having our Press Officer, Shaun Fuentes ejected from the press conference, in sum, accused us of lacking ambition and of failing to submit a budget for our strategic plan for 2008 2014. I will therefore deal with these two maters, albeit somewhat briefly.

The Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation is 100 years old this year and is celebrating this centennial achievement with a series of activities, the launch of which took place at the home of His Excellency, Professor Dr. George Maxwell Richards a fortnight ago. The Federations record over the last 100 years will be revealed during the series of activities throughout this year but, for the Minister Hunts sake, I will merely submit to him, a list of some of our achievements these past seven years, when he was nowhere around.
 
In 2001, we hosted the FIFA U17 World Championship which, on record, remains the most successful event ever hosted anywhere in the world for that age group. Between 2001 and the present time, hundreds of our footballers have been able to become professional players overseas and our officials have held the highest offices in FIFA, CONCACAF and CFU.

We are the only country in the Caribbean to have a full professional football league as well as a full semi-pro league both of which have given employment to hundreds of footballers. In 2006 we reached our highest point when we qualified for the FIFA World Cup Finals in Germany the smallest and youngest country to have ever done so to date!!!

We have successfully hosted several CONCACAF and CFU events during the intervening years and have equally participated in others which we have not hosted. At this very moment, we have two National Womens teams participating in events in Mexico and Costa Rica, while our men have recently successfully competed against El Salvador and Jamaica.

Our accounts are audited every year by KPMG and our membership benefits from our regular meetings at the Executive, General Council and Annual level.
The list can go on and on but I believe that I have said enough to debunk Minister Hunts assertion of the Federation being a body that lacks ambition.

And to think that all our achievements to date have been possible without one red cent of Government spending from this Johnny come lately Minister of Sport! A Minister who has refused to attend any function to which we have invited him not even the hallowed halls of the Presidents House was saved from this disgrace!!

We have applied to Government, through the Ministry of Sport, to host the FIFA U17 Womens Championship and though the former Minister of Sports, Roger Boynes had agreed in principle, to date, the present Minister has refused to even acknowledge the Federations submission. England is playing a friendly match against us on June 1 the first time in the history of football in the Caribbean and this Minister of Sport will not even fix the playing pitch of the Hasely Crawford Stadium to facilitate the playing of this historic encounter.

We submitted, on the Ministers request, a strategic plan for 2008 2014 and have not even had an acknowledgment of our submission. But we are accused in his press conference of not submitting a budget a budget for a document which we have never met to discuss and finalise nor even discuss over the phone!!

And then he ejects our Press Officer from his press conference! We in the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation are consoled by the fact that nothing lasts forever, not even the present Minister of Sport and Youth Affairs.

Sgd
Oliver Camps
Trinidad & Tobago Football Federation
Title: Re: Satement from President of TTFF Oliver Camps
Post by: Bakes on April 05, 2008, 06:19:02 PM
Quote
We in the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation are consoled by the fact that nothing lasts forever, not even the present Minister of Sport and Youth Affairs.

But sadly for fans of football in Trinidad and Tobago we are stuck with you Mr. Camps...and your evil overlord, until the good Lord decides to punch both your tickets to the afterlife. You regale us with a long-winded pack of ass, but yet no accounting for how the $100m TT in taxpayers money that was allotted to your organization since Germany was spent.

Keep trying to pull the wool over people's eyes with this talk of your "Press Officer" getting ejected...why you didn't go yuhself? At least you're not making the pretense that Fuentes was some kind of journalist.
Title: Re: Satement from President of TTFF Oliver Camps
Post by: Midknight on April 05, 2008, 06:19:52 PM
I smell a jack. Camps doh have that much personality...
Title: Re: Satement from President of TTFF Oliver Camps
Post by: NYtriniwhiteboy.. on April 05, 2008, 06:22:10 PM
Bakes and Midknight you guys took the words from my mouth...also they say they are audited every year by KPMG...When is the public goin to see these audit reports!
they shud have some interesting things in them
Title: Re: Satement from President of TTFF Oliver Camps
Post by: Observer on April 05, 2008, 06:26:41 PM
I smell a jack. Camps doh have that much personality...

In truth! Because if yuh look good yuh could see the hand behind he back  ;D
Title: Re: Satement from President of TTFF Oliver Camps
Post by: Bakes on April 05, 2008, 06:27:45 PM
Bakes and Midknight you guys took the words from my mouth...also they say they are audited every year by KPMG...When is the public goin to see these audit reports!
they shud have some interesting things in them
Nobody eh really care about them and they KPMG audits...we eh care what dem to with their money too much...tief FIFA money all allyuh want...we have a right to know what happen to ours.
Title: Re: Satement from President of TTFF Oliver Camps
Post by: elan on April 05, 2008, 07:33:53 PM
Statment from president of TTFF Oliver Camps in response to minister Gary Hunt
By: Shaun Fuentes (TTFF).



I had planned not to dignify the Minister of Sport and Youth Affairs attack on the Football Federation last Thursday with a response of any kind. But since he chose to attack the T&TFF in the midst of our hosting the CONCACAF Futsal Qualifying Competition when we have hundreds of our football colleagues in our midst, I, in my capacity as President of the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation, have chosen to respond to him so as to set the records straight, at least in the eyes of our international colleagues.
 
The Minister, after having our Press Officer, Shaun Fuentes ejected from the press conference, in sum, accused us of lacking ambition and of failing to submit a budget for our strategic plan for 2008 2014. I will therefore deal with these two maters, albeit somewhat briefly.
The Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation is 100 years old this year and is celebrating this centennial achievement with a series of activities, the launch of which took place at the home of His Excellency, Professor Dr. George Maxwell Richards a fortnight ago. The Federations record over the last 100 years will be revealed during the series of activities throughout this year but, for the Minister Hunts sake, I will merely submit to him, a list of some of our achievements these past seven years, when he was nowhere around.
 
In 2001, we hosted the FIFA U17 World Championship which, on record, remains the most successful event ever hosted anywhere in the world for that age group. Where the money from this successful event?Between 2001 and the present time, hundreds of our footballers have been able to become professional players overseas and our officials have held the highest offices in FIFA, CONCACAF and CFU.
We are the only country in the Caribbean to have a full professional football league as well as a full semi-pro league both of which have given employment to hundreds of footballers.
In 2006 we reached our highest point when we qualified for the FIFA World Cup Finals in Germany the smallest and youngest country to have ever done so to date!!!

We have successfully hosted several CONCACAF and CFU events during the intervening years and have equally participated in others which we have not hosted. At this very moment, we have two National Womens teams participating in events in Mexico and Costa Rica, while our men have recently successfully competed against El Salvador and Jamaica.
 
Our accounts are audited every year by KPMG and our membership benefits from our regular meetings at the Executive, General Council and Annual level.
The list can go on and on but I believe that I have said enough to debunk Minister Hunts assertion of the Federation being a body that lacks ambition. And to think that all our achievements to date have been possible without one red cent of Government spending from this Johnny come lately Minister of Sport! But, you got monies from the Ministry.  A Minister who has refused to attend any function to which we have invited him not even the hallowed halls of the Presidents House was saved from this disgrace!!

We have applied to Government, through the Ministry of Sport, to host the FIFA U17 Womens Championship and though the former Minister of Sports, Roger Boynes had agreed in principle, to date, the present Minister has refused to even acknowledge the Federations submission. England is playing a friendly match against us on June 1 the first time in the history of football in the Caribbean and this Minister of Sport will not even fix the playing pitch of the Hasely Crawford Stadium to facilitate the playing of this historic encounter.

We submitted, on the Ministers request, a strategic plan for 2008 2014 and have not even had an acknowledgment of our submission. But we are accused in his press conference of not submitting a budget a budget for a document which we have never met to discuss and finalise nor even discuss over the phone!!

And then he ejects our Press Officer from his press conference!

We in the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation are consoled by the fact that nothing lasts forever, not even the present Minister of Sport and Youth Affairs. Is this threat of some kind?
Sgd

Oliver Camps

Trinidad & Tobago Football Federation

 



This long letter and he still eh  say anything....stuepss
Title: Re: Satement from President of TTFF Oliver Camps
Post by: kentsoulman on April 05, 2008, 07:35:25 PM
"The Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation is 100 years old this year"

I know I'm fairly new to this site, but isn't TTFF a reletively new company? And I thought Oliver Camps owned the company. So how can it be 100 years old?

I also noted that Warner is referred to in plural...or have there been other high ranking FIFA Trinis?

And isn't the "only professional league in the Caribbean" aprivate enterprise entirely seperate from TTFF?

"And to think that all our achievements to date have been possible without one red cent of Government spending from this Johnny come lately Minister of Sport! "  I can't believe he even said this! How on earth was Hunt supposed to help when he wasn't even a minister?

Its a pity Camps didn't explain where all the money given by the government went to.
Title: Re: Satement from President of TTFF Oliver Camps
Post by: dtool on April 05, 2008, 08:00:18 PM
Camps.....
 When you put foward a proposal  .....You have to submit a budget .....
 and each year give an account of how things going and what you intend to do the next year etc. ...

  Is a blank cheque you want to run with?????

 ....  Go and write a book on the history of the TTFF .....
 ..... Worst response as President .....
Title: Re: Satement from President of TTFF Oliver Camps.
Post by: Babalawo on April 05, 2008, 09:08:20 PM
Like Oliver Scyamps dunce or what.  They man say present audit and release a budget to the government and public. What part of that he cant understand.   Do like Nike and just do it and you will get money for "our" football
Title: Re: Satement from President of TTFF Oliver Camps.
Post by: pass(10trini) on April 05, 2008, 10:35:23 PM
This man is one mudda c*nt. Why don't he reveal the accounting. He want money and don't want to be accountable to nobody. Camps haul yuh arse
Title: Re: Satement from President of TTFF Oliver Camps
Post by: capodetutticapi on April 05, 2008, 10:56:25 PM
I smell a jack. Camps doh have that much personality...

In truth! Because if yuh look good yuh could see the hand behind he back ;D
nah ah feel de hand up he ass.
Title: Re: Satement from President of TTFF Oliver Camps.
Post by: WestCoast on April 05, 2008, 11:28:03 PM
(http://www.puppetrevelation.com/images/e152400.gif)
i see his lips move but he sounds like Jackula ;)
Title: Re: Satement from President of TTFF Oliver Camps.
Post by: Babalawo on April 06, 2008, 12:04:57 AM
(http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/4296/jackwarnerolivercamps1cb5.jpg)
Title: Re: Satement from President of TTFF Oliver Camps.
Post by: Brownsugar on April 06, 2008, 05:39:16 AM
ssssttteeeuuupppsss.....it too early yes, ah goh respond later, perhaps after I've had some lunch....breakfast not strong enuff to withstand dis crap!!!
Title: Re: Satement from President of TTFF Oliver Camps.
Post by: kev on April 06, 2008, 06:27:22 AM
Not going to try and understand whats going on with your football, but it seems a mess.

Looking from the outside, that statement is basically saying 3 things,

1. Look how good we are and what we have done in the past, we are totally innocent in all of this.

2. We have done half of what you are asking and your not getting any more

3. We will play the blame / bluff  game and hope to get the minister sacked, replaced or play for time as long as we can.


BTW can someone tell me what steups is I have been wondering that for ages, sorry I but I am a foriegner ;)
Title: Re: Satement from President of TTFF Oliver Camps.
Post by: Tallman on April 06, 2008, 06:59:57 AM
BTW can someone tell me what steups is I have been wondering that for ages, sorry I but I am a foriegner ;)
http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=12318.0
Title: Re: Satement from President of TTFF Oliver Camps.
Post by: sub1 on April 06, 2008, 07:02:23 AM
(http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/4296/jackwarnerolivercamps1cb5.jpg)

Could you send that to the express guardian, newsday and all other publications in T&T. I like it.
Title: Re: Satement from President of TTFF Oliver Camps.
Post by: signal on April 06, 2008, 08:48:45 AM
As a football fan, ah real love up me soca warriors, and ah does spend any amount of money the ttff ask to see them play ( ah thinking might be 600.00 for the england game), but when ah hear responses like that from the 'president'...ah does get real frustrated
Title: Re: Satement from President of TTFF Oliver Camps.
Post by: che on April 06, 2008, 10:00:03 AM
Cramps said that we were the smallest and youngest country to reach ah WC.  This is not true. smallest yes but not the youngest.
Jamaica is a couple months older than T&T and they reach the WC in 98. And what about teams like Croatia and Ukraine they are both younger countries than T&T. This man is de president of de TTFF and he can't even get his facts and history right. 100 years of  :bs:
Title: Re: Satement from President of TTFF Oliver Camps.
Post by: D.H.W on April 06, 2008, 10:47:18 AM
(http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/4296/jackwarnerolivercamps1cb5.jpg)

hahahaha  :rotfl:
Title: Re: Satement from President of TTFF Oliver Camps.
Post by: dspfootballer on April 06, 2008, 11:07:29 AM
FIFA will support TTFA over the TNT Government and will suppend our national football team from FIFA events.  We can deal with that as a sovereign state.  There is a built in conflict of interest who does Jack Warner represent FIFA, TTFA, UNC, "FTATT"?  Can JW or anyone serve three masters?

I do agree there needs to be transparency and accountability by all concern about all tax payers resources.
Title: Re: Satement from President of TTFF Oliver Camps.
Post by: dinho on April 06, 2008, 11:58:53 AM
de man warm up and stretch in de first paragraph, I was waiting with baited breath for an explanation on the expenditure...

Then he goes on to list some achievements.. waiting on de sideline while the linesman hold up the signal for him to enter the game..

Up to now he eh walk on de field yet..

A whole long hogwash of a letter that said absolutely nothing other than declare that they want to have nothing to do with the ministry of sport..

we need that steups emoticon!
Title: Re: Satement from President of TTFF Oliver Camps.
Post by: JDB on April 06, 2008, 12:22:01 PM
So many inaccuracies in that statement that it isn't even funny. Especially like the fact that the TTFF hosted an U-17 WC, I though it was TnT do that with the TTFF as one of many stakeholders, the biggest of which was the government of the time.

Worse though is the omissions.

He forget to mention that we are the only country to have a major pay dispute and to blacklist players since the WC.

he also forget to mention that the federation always pleading that they poor and has gone through bankruptcy already. You can't fault the Minister for asking for a budget under those circumstances.
Title: Re: Satement from President of TTFF Oliver Camps.
Post by: weary1969 on April 06, 2008, 01:46:41 PM
BM wneh is d protest yuh did plan. So what if we get ban.Ollie when u makin up d figures remember dat n Income and Expenditure statement has an income side so where d money dat FIFA does give all yuh.

Extremely loud steuosssssssssssssss
Title: Re: Satement from President of TTFF Oliver Camps.
Post by: Big Magician on April 06, 2008, 03:00:13 PM
  IT SPEAKSSSSSSSSSS
Title: Re: Satement from President of TTFF Oliver Camps.
Post by: elan on April 06, 2008, 03:02:39 PM
How about for the JA game evryone show up but satnd oout side the grounds in they red jersey.
Title: Re: Satement from President of TTFF Oliver Camps
Post by: jai john on April 06, 2008, 04:47:16 PM
I smell a jack. Camps doh have that much personality...

Gih  de man a break ...is more dan 30 years he take to make he maiden speech  :rotfl: :rotfl:
....he eh saying nutten in front no seta a journalist .....anyone can submit a statement....
Scamps has never had an explanation for anything...just preferring to hide behind de adviser !
Title: Re: Satement from President of TTFF Oliver Camps.
Post by: weary1969 on April 06, 2008, 09:17:28 PM
Any 2x2 organization can show books 4 2 yrs. Dey eh even askin bout all d money they just want want 2 know bout the 12 million that my tax dollars give
Title: Re: Satement from President of TTFF Oliver Camps.
Post by: ZANDOLIE on April 06, 2008, 11:09:44 PM
 :yapping: :yapping: : TTFF eh fooling nobody. If Camps had an ounce of integrity he would have resigned years ago.
Title: Re: Satement from President of TTFF Oliver Camps.
Post by: spideybuff on April 07, 2008, 08:19:45 AM
FIFA will support TTFA over the TNT Government and will suppend our national football team from FIFA events. We can deal with that as a sovereign state. There is a built in conflict of interest who does Jack Warner represent FIFA, TTFA, UNC, "FTATT"? Can JW or anyone serve three masters?

I do agree there needs to be transparency and accountability by all concern about all tax payers resources.

Jack serve only one master..himself.
Title: Re: Satement from President of TTFF Oliver Camps.
Post by: 2020ldrship on April 07, 2008, 01:11:25 PM
can someone correct me if i'm wrong, but wasnt the TTFF auditor some Rampersad guy during the whole WC impasse? I wouldnt want to believe that a reputable firm like KPMG would want their name associated with such bush accounting as TTFF exhibits
Title: Re: Satement from President of TTFF Oliver Camps.
Post by: Big Magician on April 07, 2008, 01:42:09 PM
scotch and fackin coconut water
Title: Re: Satement from President of TTFF Oliver Camps.
Post by: kentsoulman on April 07, 2008, 02:35:18 PM
can someone correct me if i'm wrong, but wasnt the TTFF auditor some Rampersad guy during the whole WC impasse? I wouldnt want to believe that a reputable firm like KPMG would want their name associated with such bush accounting as TTFF exhibits


You can only audit the books you are shown. If Camps says they received $1 million and they spent $1 million, wheres the problem? Most self employed people do this. If a job costs $1,000, they will do it for $850 cash in hand. Remember the Scottish FA guy who claimed Jack asked cheques to be made payable to him? That wouldn't hae shown in TTFF accounts.

KPMG would not have audited Camps personal account, Warners personal accounts, Warners business accounts, Warners SimPaul accounts, Warners Concacaf account, Warners Cayman Island accounts etc.

KPMG are paid puppets. However, a forensic audit backed by the police and preferably Interpol would uncover everything.

It just takes one determined law enforcer from anywhere in the world to take an interest.
Title: Re: TTFF, Camps one-man company
Post by: Midknight on April 16, 2008, 09:37:00 AM
Interesting that the TTFF's own arbitration council ruled that Wim's "assault" on Lincoln was not physical and people are still under the impression that he cuff him down...
Title: Re: TTFF, Camps one-man company
Post by: Midknight on April 16, 2008, 10:24:12 AM
I just found this from the Los Angeles Times Nov 18, 1989:

"That would be a staggering accomplishment considering that the TTFA almost ceased to exist earlier this decade. Between 1983 and '86, a rival group, the T&T Football Federation, attempted a hostile takeover of soccer on the islands. It had the support of the ruling party, the People's National Movement, but it was not sanctioned by the International Federation of Association Football (FIFA).


who were those individuals and where are they(rival group) today?

Isn't that fairly obvious? The rival group must have been Warner, Camps etc. Be interesting to know when TTFF took over and was Warner involved in FIFA then? That way, he would have quashed any intervention by FIFA.

Nope. its not "fairly obvious". Read this post for a condensed history of those events
http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=35330.msg417392#msg417392
Title: Re: TTFF, Camps one-man company
Post by: WestCoast on April 16, 2008, 10:32:43 AM
I just found this from the Los Angeles Times Nov 18, 1989:
"That would be a staggering accomplishment considering that the TTFA almost ceased to exist earlier this decade. Between 1983 and '86, a rival group, the T&T Football Federation, attempted a hostile takeover of soccer on the islands. It had the support of the ruling party, the People's National Movement, but it was not sanctioned by the International Federation of Association Football (FIFA).
who were those individuals and where are they(rival group) today?
Isn't that fairly obvious? The rival group must have been Warner, Camps etc. Be interesting to know when TTFF took over and was Warner involved in FIFA then? That way, he would have quashed any intervention by FIFA.
Nope. its not "fairly obvious". Read this post for a condensed history of those events
http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=35330.msg417392#msg417392

man that come like "Charlotte's Web" on Crack, oui
what a "tangled web" Jackula does weave
Title: Re: TTFF, Camps one-man company
Post by: JDB on April 16, 2008, 10:53:48 AM
I just found this from the Los Angeles Times Nov 18, 1989:

"That would be a staggering accomplishment considering that the TTFA almost ceased to exist earlier this decade. Between 1983 and '86, a rival group, the T&T Football Federation, attempted a hostile takeover of soccer on the islands. It had the support of the ruling party, the People's National Movement, but it was not sanctioned by the International Federation of Association Football (FIFA).

who were those individuals and where are they(rival group) today?

Isn't that fairly obvious? The rival group must have been Warner, Camps etc. Be interesting to know when TTFF took over and was Warner involved in FIFA then? That way, he would have quashed any intervention by FIFA.

Not likely. Warner was running the TTFA as secretary at the time. He was also affiliated with the opposition, not the PNM.

The TTFA/TTFF switch happened in the 90's, probably to avoid paying debts, but I could be wrong.
Title: Re: TTFF, Camps one-man company
Post by: Fantastic on April 16, 2008, 11:41:34 AM
That was when Alvin and dem get ban for trying a thing with Arthur Suite ent? Think Shaka father was in that too.
Title: Oliver Camps nominated to First citizen's Hall of Fame
Post by: jai john on July 09, 2008, 10:34:32 AM
Tell me it isn't so !!! I cant believe that dis man is mentioned in the same breath as Ato Boldon, Shaka hislop, Mansingh Amarsingh and Sybil Donmartin to name a few !

So jokey is this appointment that the newsday chose to put a picture and an equally jokey story on Camps ...so we could see who he is and dat he could talk ...I guess !

Jack warner done say he had agreed to play all T&T matches abroad .. camps, the football President ...as usual was hesitant to say much.....much like his famous statement ..." Ask jack ".

So " Ask Jack " gets a national award ..for what ????
It does take a lot to get me vex ....but ah just eat and the food just kyah settle after reading dis one !!!
Title: Re: Oliver Camps nominated to First citizen's Hall of Fame
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on July 09, 2008, 10:38:37 AM
Wow.... Wow wow wow... In state of Shock
Title: Re: Oliver Camps nominated to First citizen's Hall of Fame
Post by: palos on July 09, 2008, 10:52:24 AM
Shame.

This is almost as bad as Riquelme being nominated for World Footballer of the Year...  ;D
Title: Re: Oliver Camps nominated to First citizen's Hall of Fame
Post by: weary1969 on July 09, 2008, 11:01:06 AM
Everybody else should ask 2 b removed when he nomination get finalised utter nonesense. What is dem people email address we need 2 contact dem
Title: Re: Oliver Camps nominated to First citizen's Hall of Fame
Post by: Disgruntled_Trini on July 09, 2008, 11:09:09 AM
hall of fame

FOR WHAT?
Title: Re: Oliver Camps nominated to First citizen's Hall of Fame
Post by: weary1969 on July 09, 2008, 11:12:42 AM
OK this is d joker to lodge 2 lodge your complaints 2 Ms. Jennifer Lander 624-3178 ext 3083. Dey takin a joke 2 far now
Title: Re: Oliver Camps nominated to First citizen's Hall of Fame
Post by: trinikev on July 09, 2008, 11:13:26 AM
hall of SHAME


There, I fixed it. That had to be what they meant :-\
Title: Re: Oliver Camps nominated to First citizen's Hall of Fame
Post by: JDB on July 09, 2008, 11:49:00 AM
Camps is the model of achievement.

He move from a boots cleaner as equipment manager to boots licker as President of the whole federation.
Title: Re: Oliver Camps nominated to First citizen's Hall of Fame
Post by: fatimarima on July 09, 2008, 12:16:52 PM
First citizens hall of fame?  Oliver scamps?   The madness continues.
Title: Re: Oliver Camps nominated to First citizen's Hall of Fame
Post by: jai john on July 09, 2008, 01:36:35 PM
OK this is d joker to lodge 2 lodge your complaints 2 Ms. Jennifer Lander 624-3178 ext 3083. Dey takin a joke 2 far now

Well I just called and registered my protest. This is a national disgrace !
Title: Re: Oliver Camps nominated to First citizen's Hall of Fame
Post by: jai john on July 09, 2008, 01:38:58 PM
Shame.

This is almost as bad as Riquelme being nominated for World Footballer of the Year... ;D

Palos cockroach doh meddle in fowl business .....we trying to have a serious discussion here ...wrong door !
Jokers Anonymous is the next one to the left !  :beermug:
Title: Re: Oliver Camps nominated to First citizen's Hall of Fame
Post by: weary1969 on July 09, 2008, 03:05:42 PM
Well 4 d foreign base d email is jenniferlander@firstcitizentt.com all yuh doh stick
Title: Re: Oliver Camps nominated to First citizen's Hall of Fame
Post by: dreamer on July 09, 2008, 03:33:26 PM
Tell FCB that there will be a wave of account transfers from FCB to other rival banks unless this Oliver "Go Ass Jack" Scamps is removed from the list of "Fame".  Daiz how yuh have to drop it. No account fuh dem.  :beermug:

The only pain certain kinda people understand is in de "pocket". Umm hmm  ;)
Title: Re: Oliver Camps nominated to First citizen's Hall of Fame
Post by: palos on July 09, 2008, 04:53:38 PM
So ah went and Google Oliver Camps

Check de first entry dat come up...ah nearly dead wit laff   :rotfl: :rotfl:

LOLOL (http://www.geocities.com/fireolivercamps/index.html)
Title: Re: Oliver Camps nominated to First citizen's Hall of Fame
Post by: jai john on July 09, 2008, 05:36:36 PM
I really have to watch dis Bank boy ...
is either some friend or family well connected who trying to slip een Camps with peole who really deserve awards. If not dat den how would anyone explain an award to a president of a moribund association which has allowed itself to become heavily indebted to one individual who is the de facto President  ?
This organisation eh even have a ground or their own property after being allotted hundreds of Millions over the years ....

If was in uncle sam town .... man woulda start callin de stock exchange right away ....
FCB ...allyuh maaddddd !!!

Title: Re: Oliver Camps nominated to First citizen's Hall of Fame
Post by: Big Magician on July 09, 2008, 06:28:38 PM
It ACCEPTSSSSSSSSSSSS !!!
Title: Re: Oliver Camps nominated to First citizen's Hall of Fame
Post by: dinho on July 09, 2008, 06:31:49 PM
It ACCEPTSSSSSSSSSSSS !!!

 :rotfl: :rotfl:
Title: Re: Oliver Camps nominated to First citizen's Hall of Fame
Post by: weary1969 on July 09, 2008, 06:49:16 PM
Like d FCB did not google he name dey would have gotten d idea dat he should be fired instead of inducted so I send my email protest and will try again 2 speak 2 d good lady who obviouswly is being mislead
Title: Re: Oliver Camps nominated to First citizen's Hall of Fame
Post by: KND2 on July 09, 2008, 06:58:48 PM
The man probably have the world record for the most unopposed presidential elections.

He hold the record for most consecutive terms

Only man like castro can match him and even castro is falling apart.

Give credit where credit is due

Camps know what he doing
Title: Re: Oliver Camps nominated to First citizen's Hall of Fame
Post by: weary1969 on July 09, 2008, 07:01:30 PM
Yes he is know what he is doing absolutely nutten
Title: Re: Oliver Camps nominated to First citizen's Hall of Fame
Post by: Brownsugar on July 09, 2008, 07:14:23 PM
I just email the goodly lady....nah man dem taking a bad joke too far...
Title: Re: Oliver Camps nominated to First citizen's Hall of Fame
Post by: weary1969 on July 09, 2008, 09:09:34 PM
Well d ceremony is tmorrow so we 2 late 2 stop it but if we lucky he go b d first 2 b removed from d Hall
Title: Re: Oliver Camps nominated to First citizen's Hall of Fame
Post by: Quags on July 09, 2008, 11:15:30 PM
alyah we mustbe ent know d scenes nah ,he probably getting the award for depositing the most amount of money for the last four years, like hundreds of millions or close too!! He  have to get ah award !
Title: Re: Oliver Camps nominated to First citizen's Hall of Fame
Post by: vb on July 10, 2008, 06:02:38 AM
Ah coulda understand if it was a "Lick Jack Warner Ass Hall of Fame."

VB
Title: CAMP SPEAKS
Post by: weary1969 on November 26, 2008, 10:53:18 PM
Camps: Soca Warriors must make changes
By WALTER ALIBEY Thursday, November 27 2008

click on pic to zoom inOliver Camps, TT Football Federation president...PRESIDENT of the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (TTFF) Oliver Camps is confident that Trinidad and Tobagos Soca Warriors can qualify from the six-nation CONCACAF Final for the FIFA World Cup in 2010.

The draw for the regional finals was made in South Africa on Saturday night and Trinidad and Tobago will battle for one of the three and a half spots.

Apart from the twin-island republic, others in the fray are Mexico, Costa Rica and the United States, who have been regular qualifiers from the region.

The other nations are El Salvador and Honduras which topped their groups ahead of the final round last week; and 1998 World Cup qualifiers Jamaica.

The Soca Warriors will open their campaign February 11 against the Salvadoreans away, before the return leg on August 12 at a venue to be decided (either the Queens Park Oval in Port-of-Spain or the Hasely Crawford Stadium, Mucurapo).

Yesterday Camps, who is one of the longest serving members in the football federation expressed the view that though he would have preferred an easier group, he admitted that at this stage there is no easier group.

His only hope is for coach Francisco Maturana to select a larger pool of players so that he can make quick and numerous changes when necessary.

I expect the coach to make lots of changes or have players at his disposal when the need arises, Camps said.

At this stage we have got to win every match. We cannot afford to look for wins for our home games and draws or victories for our away matches. Ideally, it is the perfect plan but we have got to go out there and look for victories in all our matches, the local football official said.

Trinidad and Tobago whipped Cuba 3-0 in their last group semi-final encounter at the Hasely Crawford Stadium to advance to the final round next year.

The result followed a historic 1-0 win over the USA and an equally impressive first-leg win over the Cubans in Havana.

All I know is that the Trinidad and Tobago team will qualify out of the group for the World Cup in 2010. We have a good bunch of players who have shown their ability, just as we did back in 2006, Camps said.

From the group, the top three teams will qualify for the South Africa World Cup with the fourth place team moving on to a play-off with the team that finishes fifth in the South American group of qualifiers.

 
 
Title: Re: CAMP SPEAKS
Post by: Cocorite on November 26, 2008, 11:02:50 PM
Camps: Soca Warriors must make changes
By WALTER ALIBEY Thursday, November 27 2008

click on pic to zoom inOliver Camps, TT Football Federation president...PRESIDENT of the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (TTFF) Oliver Camps is confident that Trinidad and Tobagos Soca Warriors can qualify from the six-nation CONCACAF Final for the FIFA World Cup in 2010.

The draw for the regional finals was made in South Africa on Saturday night and Trinidad and Tobago will battle for one of the three and a half spots.

Apart from the twin-island republic, others in the fray are Mexico, Costa Rica and the United States, who have been regular qualifiers from the region.

The other nations are El Salvador and Honduras which topped their groups ahead of the final round last week; and 1998 World Cup qualifiers Jamaica. Not

The Soca Warriors will open their campaign February 11 against the Salvadoreans away, before the return leg on August 12 at a venue to be decided (either the Queens Park Oval in Port-of-Spain or the Hasely Crawford Stadium, Mucurapo).

Yesterday Camps, who is one of the longest serving members in the football federation expressed the view that though he would have preferred an easier group, he admitted that at this stage there is no easier group.

His only hope is for coach Francisco Maturana to select a larger pool of players so that he can make quick and numerous changes when necessary.

I expect the coach to make lots of changes or have players at his disposal when the need arises, Camps said.

At this stage we have got to win every match. We cannot afford to look for wins for our home games and draws or victories for our away matches. Ideally, it is the perfect plan but we have got to go out there and look for victories in all our matches, the local football official said.

Trinidad and Tobago whipped Cuba 3-0 in their last group semi-final encounter at the Hasely Crawford Stadium to advance to the final round next year.

The result followed a historic 1-0 2-1 win over the USA and an equally impressive first-leg win over the Cubans in Havana.

All I know is that the Trinidad and Tobago team will qualify out of the group for the World Cup in 2010. We have a good bunch of players who have shown their ability, just as we did back in 2006, Camps said.

From the group, the top three teams will qualify for the South Africa World Cup with the fourth place team moving on to a play-off with the team that finishes fifth in the South American group of qualifiers.

 
 

Title: Re: CAMP SPEAKS
Post by: elan on November 26, 2008, 11:30:20 PM
Simple facts they cannot get right.  :-[
Title: Re: CAMP SPEAKS
Post by: weary1969 on November 26, 2008, 11:49:26 PM
D Newsday worse than pathethic
Title: Re: CAMP SPEAKS
Post by: morvant on November 27, 2008, 05:13:46 AM
didnt know jamaica was in the hex???
Title: Re: CAMP SPEAKS
Post by: Big Magician on November 27, 2008, 05:43:49 AM
ITTTTTTTTTT   SSSPPEEEAAAKKKKSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

somebody buy this man a plaque nah...mama.. scotch and fackin coconut water
Title: Re: CAMP SPEAKS
Post by: Brownsugar on November 27, 2008, 06:04:41 AM
Ah just see the title of the thread and ah nearly choke on mih muffin..... :o :o :o
Right, ah going to read now....

Edit: ah eh finish reading de whole article and ah start to steups right here....

The result followed a historic 1-0 win over the USA...

steups, steups, steups....Walter Alibey....take a big sssssttteeeuuuppppssss!!!....

Right now to finish...

And ah miss the part about Jamaica...geez and ages...is ah good thing I doh spend my money on this thing that tries to pass itself off as a legitimate newspaper....wha happen..dey doh even bother to get basic facts correct??

Big loud flecking....ssssssttteeeeuuuuppppppsssss!!!!
Title: Re: CAMP SPEAKS
Post by: Jah Gol on November 27, 2008, 07:08:08 AM
Doesn't the Newsday have a Sports Editor ? Whey ! Trinidad is really the land of opportunity. Any shithound could make it here yes. 
Title: Re: CAMP SPEAKS
Post by: weary1969 on November 27, 2008, 07:29:34 AM
U eh need a sport editor somebody who could used internet and get accurate results would do. BM d article was posted especially 4 u.
Title: Re: CAMP SPEAKS
Post by: Storeboy on November 27, 2008, 10:30:18 AM
Now I know why we don't hear from this man!  Obviously he has nothing to say, so JUST SHUT UP, Camps!
Title: Re: CAMP SPEAKS
Post by: Babalawo on November 27, 2008, 11:47:14 PM
ITTTTTTTTTT   SSSPPEEEAAAKKKKSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

somebody buy this man a plaque nah...mama.. scotch and fackin coconut water
ent
Title: Re: CAMP SPEAKS
Post by: WestCoast on November 28, 2008, 12:46:15 AM
didnt know jamaica was in the hex???
de man wake up and thought it was 1997 all over again or what?
Title: Re: CAMP SPEAKS
Post by: Midknight on November 29, 2008, 12:14:58 PM
didnt know jamaica was in the hex???
de man wake up and thought it was 1997 all over again or what?

You would've thought somebody woulda realise that it kinda hard to have 7 teams in a "hex"(agonal)
Title: Re: CAMP SPEAKS
Post by: weary1969 on November 29, 2008, 01:54:32 PM
Dis is d man who taught we coulda play Mexico in d WC. So 7 teams in d hex eh nutten
Title: Oliver Camps?
Post by: PIMP on December 07, 2008, 07:53:26 PM
On a serious note though.

Does anyone knows what is his portfolio?
Why is he always re-elected?
What is his role?

Anybody?
Title: Re: Oliver Camps?
Post by: weary1969 on December 07, 2008, 08:06:15 PM
According 2 google
Who is Oliver Camps you ask?  That's why you don't know him.  If he was doing something positive like most

possitive people, he would be renown for his good works.  But he is not.  Camps have stiffled the growth and

expectation of T&T football.  Every plan or project to better the quality of football failed.  Every coach or

techinical  director have failed.  Even the few successful coaches were wrongfully disqualified for

unsuccessfull reason. i.e. Bertille St. Clair.  Every preparation for a tournament or qualification tournament

have failed.  Every tournament appearance have failed.  Every justification of a player(s) ban have failed. i.e.

the PFTT and David Nakhid.  If he was the leader of the French football federation, he would be guillotined a

long time ago. In fact, many people wonder if he is truly the leader of the TTFF, saying yes to all FIFA vice-

presents, Jack Warner, requests.  What ever Jack says goes with him. Warner is not the special advisor but

the part-time, undercover president. 

Plenty words 2 say Jack puppet
Title: Re: Oliver Camps?
Post by: Kingk on December 08, 2008, 01:51:20 AM
lol
http://www.geocities.com/fireolivercamps/index.html
Title: Re: Oliver Camps?
Post by: pardners on December 08, 2008, 03:07:17 AM
Yeah PIMP, we already beat this one to a PULP.
Title: Re: Oliver Camps?
Post by: Observer on December 08, 2008, 07:31:53 AM
yuh know in dem Chinee movie always use to have a man walking and talking for the leader.
"hhhmmm yes we will see about that. "You watch your mouth hhmmm"  ;D
Title: Re: Oliver Camps?
Post by: Big Magician on December 08, 2008, 07:46:43 AM
dais so true Observer...yuh have meh laughing here
Title: Re: Oliver Camps?
Post by: Storeboy on December 08, 2008, 08:40:10 AM
All yuh know Oliver Camps is a servant of JW.  He makes no decision unless JW says so. He cannot even resign unless JW ask him to so; that is the problem.  JW has not asked him to resign so how all yuh expect him to make such an important decision and resign on his own? Come on man ah thought all yuh forumites had better sense than that.  You asking the impossible.  Can God tell a lie?  Can Oliver resign? The answer to both questions is....NO!
Title: Re: Warriors serve Camps, T&TFF.
Post by: Sam on December 28, 2008, 07:11:56 AM
A good picture to go with this story...

(http://www.newsday.co.tt/galeria/2008-12-28-8-2A_parliament-crime_(3).jpg)
No money for you !!! take a red card bitch.
Title: Oliver Camps set to take over Brazilian Football Federation
Post by: Big Magician on April 24, 2009, 12:29:40 AM
TTFF long serving President Oliver Camps will take charge of the Brazilian Football Federation with immediate effect.

This is his reward for the stellar work done with the TTFF, and the CBF states this is the man they need to put the Selecao back on track.

Camps was voted in at a secret meeting in "Mayaro Trinidad "

350,000 ecstatic Brasilero took to the streets of Rio De Janeiro outside the CBF offices  shouting " "Cacaholeinho"

Said Ramos De Souza De Arazzis  of the CBF.." We were keeping tabs on Professor Camps for years,  and this is the tonic we need for the way forward"

A delighted but calm and Scotch and Coconut drinking  Camps responded "          "   



watch meh...can we do the same and start a petition to tell this man politely "Thanks for your time"...lets get serious now""..

is it possible to find a new "yes man"?... somebody else to see what Zrich looks like ???

or heself cant say.."        "   ???

we taking dis shit for so many years.....we have no shame yes....

and doh come with "that eh go change nothing da da da "..and de once jack still dey blah blah blah

Jack need ah " No Man"  or a  "lets discuss This man"...

allyuh does talk dat...but i actually sat in a round table meeting with 5 senior TTFF officials... and if allyuh think allyuh know what "YES MAN " is....see it with yuh own eyes...
Title: Re: Oliver Camps set to take over Brazilian Football Federation
Post by: just cool on April 24, 2009, 02:48:09 AM
TTFF long serving President Oliver Camps will take charge of the Brazilian Football Federation with immediate effect.

This is his reward for the stellar work done with the TTFF, and the CBF states this is the man they need to put the Selecao back on track.

Camps was voted in at a secret meeting in "Mayaro Trinidad "

350,000 ecstatic Brasilero took to the streets of Rio De Janeiro outside the CBF offices  shouting " "Cacaholeinho"
Said Ramos De Souza De Arazzis  of the CBF.." We were keeping tabs on Professor Camps for years,  and this is the tonic we need for the way forward"

A delighted but calm and Scotch and Coconut drinking  Camps responded "          "   



watch meh...can we do the same and start a petition to tell this man politely "Thanks for your time"...lets get serious now""..

is it possible to find a new "yes man"?... somebody else to see what Zrich looks like ???

or heself cant say.."        "   ???

we taking dis shit for so many years.....we have no shame yes....

and doh come with "that eh go change nothing da da da "..and de once jack still dey blah blah blah

Jack need ah " No Man"  or a  "lets discuss This man"...

allyuh does talk dat...but i actually sat in a round table meeting with 5 senior TTFF officials... and if allyuh think allyuh know what "YES MAN " is....see it with yuh own eyes...
:devil: :devil: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Title: Re: Oliver Camps set to take over Brazilian Football Federation
Post by: jimmel14 on April 24, 2009, 04:48:26 AM
this is a joke right!!!!!!!  :beermug: :beermug: :beermug: :beermug: :beermug:
Title: Re: Oliver Camps set to take over Brazilian Football Federation
Post by: Big Magician on April 24, 2009, 05:42:33 AM
what so funny bout this Jimmel ???
Title: Re: Oliver Camps set to take over Brazilian Football Federation
Post by: Themanfriday on April 24, 2009, 05:53:16 AM
 :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:


Big Mag at his best
Title: Re: Oliver Camps set to take over Brazilian Football Federation
Post by: spideybuff on April 24, 2009, 06:29:50 AM
Cacaholeinho...that should be Camps new name for real
Title: Re: Oliver Camps set to take over Brazilian Football Federation
Post by: weary1969 on April 24, 2009, 07:28:03 AM
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:


Big Mag at his best

Cosign
Title: Re: Oliver Camps set to take over Brazilian Football Federation
Post by: jimmel14 on April 24, 2009, 07:42:07 AM
ah jus wanna know.. i aint watch news in a while . LOL @ Big MAG  :rotfl: :beermug: :beermug: :beermug: :beermug: :beermug: :beermug: :beermug:
Title: Re: Oliver Camps set to take over Brazilian Football Federation
Post by: King Deese on April 24, 2009, 07:55:39 AM
finally, the shit has flown over the cukoo's nest. stay tuned for more featuring pinky and the brain starring oliver "forrest" gumps as pinky
jack warnerman as the brain
dick greedy as madam secretary
and the rest of the ttff imps as the brains laboratory
Title: Re: Oliver Camps set to take over Brazilian Football Federation
Post by: Controversial on April 24, 2009, 08:25:36 AM
this one comes 2nd the the yard interview  ;D that was a classic :beermug:
Title: Re: Oliver Camps set to take over Brazilian Football Federation
Post by: Fyzoman on April 24, 2009, 10:49:28 AM
TTFF long serving President Oliver Camps will take charge of the Brazilian Football Federation with immediate effect.

This is his reward for the stellar work done with the TTFF, and the CBF states this is the man they need to put the Selecao back on track.

Camps was voted in at a secret meeting in "Mayaro Trinidad "

350,000 ecstatic Brasilero took to the streets of Rio De Janeiro outside the CBF offices  shouting " "Cacaholeinho"

Said Ramos De Souza De Arazzis  of the CBF.." We were keeping tabs on Professor Camps for years,  and this is the tonic we need for the way forward"

A delighted but calm and Scotch and Coconut drinking  Camps responded "          "   



watch meh...can we do the same and start a petition to tell this man politely "Thanks for your time"...lets get serious now""..

is it possible to find a new "yes man"?... somebody else to see what Zrich looks like ???

or heself cant say.."        "   ???

we taking dis shit for so many years.....we have no shame yes....

and doh come with "that eh go change nothing da da da "..and de once jack still dey blah blah blah

Jack need ah " No Man"  or a  "lets discuss This man"...

allyuh does talk dat...but i actually sat in a round table meeting with 5 senior TTFF officials... and if allyuh think allyuh know what "YES MAN " is....see it with yuh own eyes...

Good one Big Mag, good one.....ah highlight dat sentence because ah man give me ah lil anectdote (sad but funny) in Nashville after de game, he happens to be tight with Gulajwti who is de big man in US football and very high ranking in FIFA, he say he ask Gulajwti how come he have de presidencampst of the USSFF reigning for sooooo long, he say Gulajwti give him an example bout ah time he carry some important documents for de man to sign and de man take dem, sign it and hand him back, he tell meh friend, "you understand why? anybody else woulda read it before dey sign it."
Title: Re: Oliver Camps set to take over Brazilian Football Federation
Post by: Big Magician on April 24, 2009, 11:08:20 AM
scatch and coconut water
Title: Re: Oliver Camps set to take over Brazilian Football Federation
Post by: Trini Madness on April 24, 2009, 11:31:15 AM
wheyss   :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Title: Re: Oliver Camps set to take over Brazilian Football Federation
Post by: King Deese on April 29, 2009, 09:15:26 AM
Cacaholeinho...that should be Camps new name for real

aye, i like that name for gumps boy, but my wife said to call him "oh oh" as a mistake.
Title: Re: Oliver Camps set to take over Brazilian Football Federation
Post by: acb on April 29, 2009, 09:18:03 AM
I cyar wait for part 2 .... "Camps tek ova the JFF"
Title: Re: Oliver Camps set to take over Brazilian Football Federation
Post by: Disgruntled_Trini on April 29, 2009, 09:20:16 AM
I doh know how I miss this thread.

I killing myself laughing at Cacaholeinho.
Title: Re: Oliver Camps set to take over Brazilian Football Federation
Post by: Cocorite on April 29, 2009, 09:52:57 AM
I cyar wait for part 2 .... "Camps tek ova the JFF"

Allyuh like ting, boy.

I cyar wait needah.
Title: Re: Oliver Camps set to take over Brazilian Football Federation
Post by: elan on April 29, 2009, 10:14:07 AM
So is JW "Special Advisor" to the BFF yet? Is JW MP for Rio yet?  Has JW complained to the BFF that they are not interested in the Black youths in the ghetto because they are not investing any money?

So many questions, so much to do, how will OC and JW fear?
Title: Re: Oliver Camps set to take over Brazilian Football Federation
Post by: Big Magician on April 29, 2009, 10:17:30 AM
coming soon to a cinema near you
Title: Camps says hell give up football job if challenged.
Post by: Flex on August 11, 2010, 04:25:12 AM
Camps says hell give up football job if challenged.
By Walter Alibey (T&T Newsday).


It looks likely that the reign of longstanding football administrator Oliver Camps could soon come to an end.

And a new era with former Trintoc, United Petrotrin and national team football manager Richard Braithwaite could soon begin

Newsday understands a number of top officials, including Keith Look Loy who is a FIFA Youth Development Officer and Trinidad and Tobago Football Federations (TTFF) vice-presidents Raymond Tim Kee and Rudolph Thomas, are among a list of administrators that will be contesting the post of president at the upcoming Annual General Meeting of the TTFF.

Braithwaite is not among the list to contest the election but a number of ex-national players are calling for him to throw his hat in the ring.

The election, it is understood, is carded to be held within the next few months when a new president will be elected.

This is because Camps, who served as president of local football federation for the past 20 years, has agreed to step down if anyone decides to challenge him for the top post.

Contacted recently Camps said: I have never contested the post of president because I was never challenged for the position.

He made it clear his decision to step down in the face of competition is strictly to avoid disharmony in the federation. Once there is competition, you always have one faction against another and this causes people in one faction to be angry or against those in the other, Camps said last week.

However a number of ex-national football administrators are saying that while they support the choices of Look Loy, Tim Kee and Thomas for the top job in the football federation, they feel that business consultant Braithwaite is the best man for the job.

Camps said he will support anyone who wants to go up. I have served and I have done so well, so I have no problem stepping down if there is need for it, said Camps who was also manager of the Trinidad and Tobago Strike Squad during the failed World Cup campaign in 1989.

Ron La Forest who is considered one of the best strikers to play for Trinidad and Tobago, called for Braithwaite to take over at the helm of local football.

I have worked with Braithwaite and he has always been a very honest, straight-foward and fair person who will not be afraid to call a spade a spade, La Forest said.

La Forest feels confident that there is unlikely to be any sort of change to take place in the administration of local football if Look Loy, Thomas or Tim Kee should be elected.

Brian Williams, another former national defender is also lobbying for Braithwaite to throw his hat into the ring to contest the post of president. Like La Forest, he explained that he has worked with the affable Braithwaite at Trintoc and on the national football team.

He has shown an interest in taking football to the next step. He is knowledgeable, he has experience and he has the interest of football at heart the rasta hair-styled Williams said.

Known for his rugged tackles on the right of the TT defence, Williams was quick to add however that while he also knows Look Loy, Thomas and Tim Kee to be knowledgeable administrators, he feels that Braithwaite appears to be the perfect man for the job.

Edgar Vidale has also described Braithwaite as the number one choice for the position of president. But he is calling on the clubs to throw their support behind him if local football is to be moved foward.

Vidale stressed that Braithwaite has operated in that capacity for several years and he knows about the management of the football federation. According to Vidale, Braithwaite has also been at a number of high- profile international football meetings with the FIFA and was instrumental in guiding the Soca Warriors to the 2006 World Cup.

Outside of Braithwaite I think Look Loy is the next best choice for the job as he has the academics to operate in such a position, Vidale said. He dismissed Tim Kees candidacy saying the other top contenders will provide more enlightened stewardship of the local football organisation.
Title: Re: Camps says hell give up football job if challenged.
Post by: Brownsugar on August 11, 2010, 05:16:50 AM
Challenged by whom?  Another lap dog??  Steups!!...

Cue BM....
Title: Re: Camps says hell give up football job if challenged.
Post by: royal on August 11, 2010, 05:48:30 AM
when dey use the word challenge and yuh see the names propping up,yuh have to laugh.
Title: Re: Camps says hell give up football job if challenged.
Post by: injunchile on August 11, 2010, 05:53:48 AM
The contenders mentioned for the throne reminds me of the saying- The more things change the more they remain the same. There is also another saying- Beware of Greeks bearing gifts. Well the million dollar question is- Who does Jack want? What jack wants Jack gets. Pray tell me which of the abovementioned pretenders can tell Jack- Thank you but no thank you especialy when they get FIFA trips abroad .
Title: Re: Camps says hell give up football job if challenged.
Post by: weary1969 on August 11, 2010, 05:56:04 AM
when dey use the word challenge and yuh see the names propping up,yuh have to laugh.

or yuh go  :( worse yet >:(
The contenders mentioned for the throne reminds me of the saying- The more things change the more they remain the same. There is also another saying- Beware of Greeks bearing gifts. Well the million dollar question is- Who does Jack want? What jack wants Jack gets. Pray tell me which of the abovementioned pretenders can tell Jack- Thank you but no thank you especialy when they get FIFA trips abroad .

ENTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT
Title: Re: Camps says hell give up football job if challenged.
Post by: asylumseeker on August 11, 2010, 06:16:36 AM
Ah read this and literally went to Youtube to vibes Crazy x 2 kaiso ... "Time Will Tell" and "In Time to Come" ...

Just like Maradona's "if allyuh fire de equipment man ah gorn" ... the way fwd with Camps "ah go siddung if challenged" is clear. Challenge him. However, anything but a bobolee challenge.
Title: Re: Camps says hell give up football job if challenged.
Post by: Deeks on August 11, 2010, 07:08:22 AM
What does he means by "I will step down if challenged". That is heights of hypocracy and arogance. The very traits of Jack and Patrick. The ENTIRE TTFF had to go for effective change. Jack tell camps to put out feelers. They want to see who will be a pain in they arse or the next llap-dog. They want to eliminate all challengers.  If all the clubs in TTFF cast a vote, there MAY be change. If the current system is intact where only the zone association alone vote, why bother to challenge Camps. They all in Jack pocket. To me is a setup.

Controversial, here is your big chance, Throw in your hat.
Title: Re: Camps says hell give up football job if challenged.
Post by: spideybuff on August 11, 2010, 07:23:03 AM
What hypocrisy? The man honest. If Jack ALLOW somebody to challenge him, then he know is time to go. That is very clear. Jack Warner doh deal up with fair elections, everybody supposed to back one horse or be victimised. From the time it have more than one horse in the race, Camps know what that mean.
Title: Re: Camps says hell give up football job if challenged.
Post by: Sam on August 11, 2010, 07:31:18 AM
De votes might disappear in de cross crossing river if someone esle run against Camps.
Title: Re: Camps says hell give up football job if challenged.
Post by: Big Magician on August 11, 2010, 07:50:26 AM
' I CHALLENGE YOU ..ON MY MASTERS GRAVE"...

IT SPEAKSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
Title: Re: Camps says hell give up football job if challenged.
Post by: Deeks on August 11, 2010, 07:56:14 AM
I say let Anil run for the post. If Jack can be a fifa man and MP, then Spalk could be MP and TTFF pres.
Title: Re: Camps says hell give up football job if challenged.
Post by: royal on August 11, 2010, 08:08:52 AM
quote: The election, it is understood, is carded to be held within the next few months when a new president will be elected.


 you'll realise for such a big association which involves many zones and affiliated bodies,they still cyar give a date? Jack have it in his back pocket.
Title: Re: Camps says hell give up football job if challenged.
Post by: weary1969 on August 11, 2010, 08:10:12 AM
I say let Anil run for the post. If Jack can be a fifa man and MP, then Spalk could be MP and TTFF pres.

CO-SIGNNNN
Title: Re: Camps says hell give up football job if challenged.
Post by: D.H.W on August 11, 2010, 08:14:06 AM
anybody who does carry personal grudges against players don't deserve to be president , esp Anil and what he say about the players
Title: Re: Camps says hell give up football job if challenged.
Post by: weary1969 on August 11, 2010, 08:15:51 AM
anybody who does carry personal grudges against players don't deserve to be president , esp Anil and what he say about the players

Dat is d esteem Min of Sport yuh talkin bout.
Title: Re: Camps says hell give up football job if challenged.
Post by: vb on August 11, 2010, 08:17:58 AM
I say let Anil run for the post. If Jack can be a fifa man and MP, then Spalk could be MP and TTFF pres.

He doh lick Warner ass enough.
You want he toungue to fall out.

VB
Title: Re: Camps says hell give up football job if challenged.
Post by: spideybuff on August 11, 2010, 12:23:31 PM
anybody who does carry personal grudges against players don't deserve to be president , esp Anil and what he say about the players

Dat is d esteem Min of Sport yuh talkin bout.

He will seek "legal advice" to see what can be done about you cause you too "fass and outtaplace" and he is a minister of governemnt of which you are just an employee !!
Title: Re: Camps says hell give up football job if challenged.
Post by: Coop's on August 11, 2010, 02:10:59 PM
I thought by now this forum would have had someone ready to take the job,is years now we calling for this,i will recommend some names if you all will vote for them,Kelvin Jack,Sancho or Shaka,i think these guys are young,in sync with the modern game and what it calls for,knows the ins and outs of T&T Football (history),Latas and Yorke already have their work cut out.The time has come and these guys have to go weather they want it or not,the youths have to be ready to replace them.
Title: Re: Camps says hell give up football job if challenged.
Post by: Brownsugar on August 11, 2010, 02:13:38 PM
I thought by now this forum would have had someone ready to take the job,is years now we calling for this,i will recommend some names if you all will vote for them,Kelvin Jack,Sancho or Shaka,i think these guys are young,in sync with the modern game and what it calls for,knows the ins and outs of T&T Football (history),Latas and Yorke already have their work cut out.The time has come and these guys have to go weather they want it or not,the youths have to be ready to replace them.

Coop's dais the problem right dey.....we cyar just walk een the people election and vote...if that could happen I would be at the venue before it opened.....
Title: Re: Camps says hell give up football job if challenged.
Post by: Coop's on August 11, 2010, 02:28:35 PM
I thought by now this forum would have had someone ready to take the job,is years now we calling for this,i will recommend some names if you all will vote for them,Kelvin Jack,Sancho or Shaka,i think these guys are young,in sync with the modern game and what it calls for,knows the ins and outs of T&T Football (history),Latas and Yorke already have their work cut out.The time has come and these guys have to go weather they want it or not,the youths have to be ready to replace them.

Coop's dais the problem right dey.....we cyar just walk een the people election and vote...if that could happen I would be at the venue before it opened.....
       Who put forward all those names in the article?Ron Laforest,Brian Williams etc etc what say/weight does these guys carry in the TTFF,if they could recommend some names what happen to us,we have nothing to loose,just throw some names out there and see what happens,who is the people you talking about,i thought the people was us(the worriors),it's our election we can get all the information if we want too.     
Title: Re: Camps says hell give up football job if challenged.
Post by: Brownsugar on August 11, 2010, 02:48:30 PM
I thought by now this forum would have had someone ready to take the job,is years now we calling for this,i will recommend some names if you all will vote for them,Kelvin Jack,Sancho or Shaka,i think these guys are young,in sync with the modern game and what it calls for,knows the ins and outs of T&T Football (history),Latas and Yorke already have their work cut out.The time has come and these guys have to go weather they want it or not,the youths have to be ready to replace them.

Coop's dais the problem right dey.....we cyar just walk een the people election and vote...if that could happen I would be at the venue before it opened.....
       Who put forward all those names in the article?Ron Laforest,Brian Williams etc etc what say/weight does these guys carry in the TTFF,if they could recommend some names what happen to us,we have nothing to loose,just throw some names out there and see what happens,who is the people you talking about,i thought the people was us(the worriors),it's our election we can get all the information if we want too.     

Coop's, first the date of the election is a secret as well guarded as the receipe for Angostura bitters.  First it was October, then potentially August now...its in a few months time.  That could translate to anywhere between now and December. Then, if we lucky to find out the date, we eh know where the venue is.

Then let's say we accomplish the above, who going to vote for the names we put up?  The associations vote and if Jack have them on lock down then what??....I understand what yuh saying eh Coop's but.....trying to infiltrate the TTFF will take skills that possibly only people who work for the CIA and the (now defunct??) KGB have......
Title: Re: Camps says hell give up football job if challenged.
Post by: Bakes on August 11, 2010, 03:29:26 PM
What Camps really mean is that he'll give up the football job if allowed, that dog ent doing nutten without leave of it's master.

And Coops you self, anybody could make recommendation but the question yuh pose is if people go VOTE for them.  How people could vote and we doh know where voting taking place for one, and two... is not just anybody could roll in there and vote, that restricted to football stakeholders.
Title: Re: Camps says hell give up football job if challenged.
Post by: Trini _2026 on August 11, 2010, 03:57:18 PM
Keith Look Loy  Raymond Tim Kee and Rudolph Thomas WILL THESE GUYS KEEP WARNER AS SPECIAL ADVISOR?
Title: Re: Camps says hell give up football job if challenged.
Post by: grskywalker on August 11, 2010, 04:13:10 PM
SHAKA WOULD BE GREAT IN THIS ROLE OR EVEN SKEENE, WAIT WHY NOT THROW NAKHID INTO THE MIX TOO AND GALLY ALL GREAT CHOICES WHO HAVE ACTUALLY BEEN IN THE GAME
Title: Re: Camps says hell give up football job if challenged.
Post by: Deeks on August 11, 2010, 04:13:36 PM
Keith Look Loy  Raymond Tim Kee and Rudolph Thomas WILL THESE GUYS KEEP WARNER AS SPECIAL ADVISOR

Trini_2014,
                 Why you so smart?
Title: Re: Camps says hell give up football job if challenged.
Post by: Trini _2026 on August 11, 2010, 04:25:11 PM
Keith Look Loy  Raymond Tim Kee and Rudolph Thomas WILL THESE GUYS KEEP WARNER AS SPECIAL ADVISOR

Trini_2014,
                 Why you so smart?

so deeks nothing change
Title: Re: Camps says hell give up football job if challenged.
Post by: kounty on August 11, 2010, 07:43:11 PM
coops /i agree with you 100% !!!! same way alibey could plant brathwaite name in the press, flex and tallman could easily do interviews with the whole national team, past and present and have some names out there.  shaka, sancho, skeene, nakhid...i find allyuh throw some real good names in that hat.  the only way to have any hope of change is to seize the chance to bring these names up in the media: including talkshows etc.  what yuh say yourstruly? this is a big scoop, interview some players.
Title: Re: Camps says hell give up football job if challenged.
Post by: Brownsugar on August 11, 2010, 07:44:36 PM
coops /i agree with you 100% !!!! same way alibey could plant brathwaite name in the press, flex and tallman could easily do interviews with the whole national team, past and present and have some names out there.  shaka, sancho, skeene, nakhid...i find allyuh throw some real good names in that hat.  the only way to have any hope of change is to seize the chance to bring these names up in the media: including talkshows etc.  what yuh say yourstruly? this is a big scoop, interview some players.

Right Kounty I glad you agree with Coop's....now let's hear HOW the names that are submitted will be voted for by the people WHO CAN VOTE??....
Title: Re: Camps says hell give up football job if challenged.
Post by: dumpalewie on August 11, 2010, 07:57:01 PM
coops /i agree with you 100% !!!! same way alibey could plant brathwaite name in the press, flex and tallman could easily do interviews with the whole national team, past and present and have some names out there.  shaka, sancho, skeene, nakhid...i find allyuh throw some real good names in that hat.  the only way to have any hope of change is to seize the chance to bring these names up in the media: including talkshows etc.  what yuh say yourstruly? this is a big scoop, interview some players.

Right Kounty I glad you agree with Coop's....now let's hear HOW the names that are submitted will be voted for by the people WHO CAN VOTE??....
Did you know about Obama before 2007?
Title: Re: Camps says hell give up football job if challenged.
Post by: Brownsugar on August 11, 2010, 08:00:32 PM
Did you know about Obama before 2007?

No I did not....how does this topic solve the problem of getting the people who have the power to vote in a new administration at the TTFF to do so??.... :waiting: :waiting:
Title: Re: Camps says hell give up football job if challenged.
Post by: dumpalewie on August 11, 2010, 08:03:48 PM
Did you know about Obama before 2007?

No I did not....how does this topic solve the problem of getting the people who have the power to vote in a new administration at the TTFF to do so??.... :waiting: :waiting:
If you just dismiss yourself as an option before you start then you never have a chance.

For the first time of my lifetime, as far as I can remember, we have a real opportunity for change. We have to find a way.
Title: Re: Camps says hell give up football job if challenged.
Post by: trinipepper on August 11, 2010, 09:01:47 PM
TTFA...getting rid of one pot hound.. its clear they already have another pot hound ready...
Title: Re: Camps says hell give up football job if challenged.
Post by: weary1969 on August 11, 2010, 09:04:54 PM
TTFA...getting rid of one pot hound.. its clear they already have another pot hound ready...

YEP 1 HOUND 2 REPLACE ANOTHER
Title: Re: Camps says hell give up football job if challenged.
Post by: Brownsugar on August 12, 2010, 05:51:43 AM
Did you know about Obama before 2007?

No I did not....how does this topic solve the problem of getting the people who have the power to vote in a new administration at the TTFF to do so??.... :waiting: :waiting:
If you just dismiss yourself as an option before you start then you never have a chance.

For the first time of my lifetime, as far as I can remember, we have a real opportunity for change. We have to find a way.

Chups....all this airy fairy talk eh getting we nowhere closer to solving the problem.  Come back when yuh have a concrete plan and we goh take it from there....
Title: Re: Camps says hell give up football job if challenged.
Post by: jai john on August 12, 2010, 08:33:03 AM
Camps still dey ? I THOUGHT HE EXITED LONG AGO !

Camps rivals one hardeo Hardath aka ..minister of silence ..who sat in de parliament for donkey ears ( no mistake ) ..and said nothing .

let me get this ....Camps is willing to give up an organisation plagued by insurmountable debt, lack of vision, even hindsight, with a financial  judgement decreed against it by the players, no assets , a damaged product tainted by wranglings between players and administration ...what a selfless man !

..reminds me of de king in shreck ...some of you may die ...but it is a sacrifice I am willing to make ! :rotfl:

..ah go quote flip wilson when he was asked to contribute to making de church run .....let it crawl brother ...let it crawl !

We will rise !! ..but out  de ashes of de TTFF ...so it has to die ... let it die folks ..so dat others might have life .
Title: Re: Camps says hell give up football job if challenged.
Post by: Bakes on August 12, 2010, 11:51:54 AM
Lol de man buss out a Hardeo Hardath reference yes...  :rotfl:
Title: Re: Camps says hell give up football job if challenged.
Post by: weary1969 on August 12, 2010, 06:38:33 PM
Did you know about Obama before 2007?

No I did not....how does this topic solve the problem of getting the people who have the power to vote in a new administration at the TTFF to do so??.... :waiting: :waiting:
If you just dismiss yourself as an option before you start then you never have a chance.

For the first time of my lifetime, as far as I can remember, we have a real opportunity for change. We have to find a way.

Chups....all this airy fairy talk eh getting we nowhere closer to solving the problem.  Come back when yuh have a concrete plan and we goh take it from there....

We eh even know when d election iz? Leh we strt dey.  A DATE PLS
Title: Re: Camps says hell give up football job if challenged.
Post by: Flex on August 18, 2010, 04:21:43 AM
Braithwaite, Look Loy not running for top football job.
By Walter Alibey (T&T Newsday).


Richard Braithwaite, a frontrunner to replace Oliver Camps as president of the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (TTFF) at the upcoming Annual General Elections (AGM) later this year, has said he is not interested in the job.

And Keith Look Loy who has also been mentioned as a candidatehas echoed similar sentiments.

Braithwaite stated in a media release that he prefers to focus on the development of the sport at the grass-roots community level, particularly in south Trinidad.

I am not interested in being president of the football federation or holding any other executive positions at this time, Braithwaite stated.

And Look Loy, also in an e-mail made it clear that he currently holds two positions in the TTFF technical adviser and chairman of the technical committee.

Technical development is where my interest lies. As TTFF president I would not be able to work in this area as directly as I have been over the past years, Look Loy said.

I have to concentrate on the development of my club FC Santa Rosa, which requires a tremendous investment of time and energy. This is one of my priorities. I am very much dedicated to the development of the local game and the governing body the TTFF but, I repeat, I am not interested in doing so as president of the organisation, Look Loy stated.

Braithwaite, a former Trintoc, United Petrotrin and national football teams manager had his name thrown into the ring after word circulated that Camps was expected to be challenged for the top job.

Also mentioned as possible challengers were current TTFF vice presidents Rudolph Thomas and Raymond Tim Kee.

Attempts to reach Look Loy and Thomas proved futile but Tim Kee revealed he has never been asked to contest the presidency. That is news to me. I have not been approached by anyone and I do not know anything about that, he said.

Camps on the other hand told Newsday that he will not go up for elections if anyone else decides to contest the post of presidency. The successful candidate will have to win the support of the TTFF affiliates.

Among Braithwaites accomplishments is his effort to have Dwight Yorke return to the national team for the 2006 World Cup in Germany for which Trinidad and Tobago qualified under Dutch coach Leo Beenhakker. He also guided Trintoc to the national championship.

Braithwaite told Newsday he has been very concerned about the decline in sport in south Trinidad and that he is willing to help deal with the problems.

Braithwaite has also served on the FIFA Technical Committee. One of the important things I learnt during my time of the FIFA technical committee, was the positive impact that football and sport in general can have on the youth.

As such he is advising that there is need to establish a systematic youth development programme in south Trinidad, using sport as the main vehicle.

He described South as having a strong sporting tradition with a lot of talent in the various communities. I intend to spend my time helping to develop this talent, Braithwaite said.
Title: Re: Camps says hell give up football job if challenged.
Post by: Trevor on August 18, 2010, 05:30:31 AM
I believe Richard Braithwaite will be an excellent choice.  He played a major role behind the scene in the early period of the campaign to Germany.  He, however, got frustrated along the way and decided to return to the private sector.  He is a sound person. 
Title: Re: Camps says hell give up football job if challenged.
Post by: Brownsugar on August 18, 2010, 05:33:51 AM
I believe Richard Braithwaite will be an excellent choice.  He played a major role behind the scene in the early period of the campaign to Germany.  He, however, got frustrated along the way and decided to return to the private sector.  He is a sound person. 

aaaarrrrmmmm Trevor, you read the article?? :-\   De man say he not interested......

On another but related note, who we go put??....*sigh*
Title: Re: Camps says hell give up football job if challenged.
Post by: Trevor on August 18, 2010, 07:51:10 AM
Brownsugar,

People do change their minds.
Title: Re: Camps says hell give up football job if challenged.
Post by: Trini _2026 on August 18, 2010, 07:59:18 AM
Braithwaite, Look Loy not running for top football job.
By Walter Alibey (T&T Newsday).



Attempts to reach Look Loy and Thomas proved futile but Tim Kee revealed he has never been asked to contest the presidency. That is news to me. I have not been approached by anyone and I do not know anything about that, he said.



 :devil: :devil: :devil: Oh yes !!!
Title: Re: Camps says hell give up football job if challenged.
Post by: Coop's on August 18, 2010, 08:42:14 AM
Did you know about Obama before 2007?

No I did not....how does this topic solve the problem of getting the people who have the power to vote in a new administration at the TTFF to do so??.... :waiting: :waiting:
If you just dismiss yourself as an option before you start then you never have a chance.

For the first time of my lifetime, as far as I can remember, we have a real opportunity for change. We have to find a way.

Chups....all this airy fairy talk eh getting we nowhere closer to solving the problem.  Come back when yuh have a concrete plan and we goh take it from there....
      Tell them Brownsugar,tell them,it have more hound on this forum than the TTFF,is we have the TTFF the way they are because all we do is talk.
Title: Re: Camps says hell give up football job if challenged.
Post by: Bakes on August 18, 2010, 08:49:27 AM
      Tell them Brownsugar,tell them,it have more hound on this forum than the TTFF,is we have the TTFF the way they are because all we do is talk.

Yeah but Coop's what "we" could do?  We cyah vote... even if "we" get enough advance notice of when de election is. Dis ent government elections this is ah members only kinda thing. 

As for Braithwaite and he shit talk... it never fails to amaze me how short-sighted people tend to be in TnT.  All this talk about focusing on development of sport in "south" Trinidad.  Dem people realize how facking small Trinidad is? Perspective is a helluva thing yes, dem need to travel more to realize that east, west, north and south is just artificial barriers that we erect in we own mind, what benefitting one benefitting all, is not New York and California we dealing with.  If them had real distance and geographic obstacles to deal with what they go do, secede??

steups
Title: Re: Camps says hell give up football job if challenged.
Post by: KND2 on August 18, 2010, 08:59:52 AM
They should not limit this Job to "Football" People that is the problem. In trinidad there are not many football people who have experience running anything hence the poor management.

better to look for someone in the private sector from the insurance business or something who knows how to run a business.

widen the horizon and find some good condidates.
Title: Re: Camps says hell give up football job if challenged.
Post by: Bourbon on August 18, 2010, 09:01:05 AM
So...

He say he go give up if challenged.

He not getting challenged.

So he say..well......the job needs to be done...and......i willing to do it.

*facepalm*
Title: Re: Camps says hell give up football job if challenged.
Post by: weary1969 on August 18, 2010, 09:02:29 AM
Braithwaite, Look Loy not running for top football job.
By Walter Alibey (T&T Newsday).



Attempts to reach Look Loy and Thomas proved futile but Tim Kee revealed he has never been asked to contest the presidency. That is news to me. I have not been approached by anyone and I do not know anything about that, he said.




 :devil: :devil: :devil: Oh yes !!!

JW make d call and say what happen all yuh MAD AH WHAT      
Title: Re: Camps says hell give up football job if challenged.
Post by: trinipepper on August 18, 2010, 10:53:55 AM
Braithwaite, Look Loy been with the TTFA reshuffle program... They know not to put their mouth there ....JW have them under whip....
Title: Re: Camps says hell give up football job if challenged.
Post by: Brownsugar on August 18, 2010, 02:15:44 PM
Brownsugar,

People do change their minds.

Well give him ah call & see if he would.....
Title: Re: Camps says hell give up football job if challenged.
Post by: Dutty on August 18, 2010, 02:18:05 PM

*facepalm*

lemmih help out wit de visual
(http://i588.photobucket.com/albums/ss324/austinrhea/Emoticons/smileyvault-slaphead.gif)
Title: Re: Camps says hell give up football job if challenged.
Post by: Big Magician on August 18, 2010, 03:51:06 PM
Also mentioned as possible challengers were current TTFF vice presidents Rudolph Thomas and Raymond Tim Kee.

nnoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
Title: Camps wants to stay as T&TFF holds elections.
Post by: Flex on November 22, 2010, 03:40:57 AM
Camps wants to stay as T&TFF holds elections.
By: Andre E Baptiste (Guardian).


The 2010 Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (T&TFF) Elections will be held today at the Centre of Excellence, Macoya, from 5 pm according to the incumbent president, Oliver Camps.

Camps speaking on Isports Saturday on i95.5fm confirmed todays elections, with the annual general meeting and the voting for posts. Camps said all positions are up for contention.

Camps also confirmed he was seeking re-election. I love the sport and I believe that I can still contribute in many ways given my knowledge and experience...but this all is dependent if I am nominated on the day so if they nominate me, I will contest for president, he revealed.

On the fact that he may face a challenge for the first time, Camps was cautious. I expect to be challenged...but let us wait and see what happens on the day, because a lot can happen between now and then.

Camps said all financial members were notified and invited to the meeting but he could not say if special advisor Jack Warner would be present.

I am not certain if he will be there. I do not know...but he does not vote, noted Camps. Camps was also very sceptical of the presence of the media.

We do not normally invite the media, so I am not certain if any notice was given to the media. I do not have the agenda.
Title: Re: Camps wants to stay as T&TFF holds elections.
Post by: mukumsplau on November 22, 2010, 06:09:32 AM
 :puking:
Title: Re: Camps wants to stay as T&TFF holds elections.
Post by: spideybuff on November 22, 2010, 06:57:38 AM
Who qualifies as financial member? Zonal presidents required to pay a fee
Title: Re: Camps wants to stay as T&TFF holds elections.
Post by: RGarcia on November 22, 2010, 07:51:42 AM
I surprise he know there is an election. He not sure who will be there, the agenda, who invited etc. Lol these guys jokey yes!
Title: Re: Camps wants to stay as T&TFF holds elections.
Post by: Football supporter on November 22, 2010, 08:03:48 AM
Any where else in the world, this election would be a serious occasion. Anyone interested in the future of T&T football, be it at local level or world cup qualification, would be demanding answers before anyone is elected or re elected. Specifically, what will happen if, on friday, the judge supports the players claim for an interim payment of $44 million?

How will this be paid?
In the 4 years since the case began, what contingency plans have been put in place?
What will happen if TTFF become bankrupt?
Where are the audited accounts for 2005-2010?
How much money has been spent defending this case?
Why did no witnesses attend the arbitration and why was no evidence submitted?
Will FIFA suspend T&T if this case is lost and/or TTFF are bankrupt?
What are the implications for the future of T&T football if members associated with TTFF and acting on its behalf have broken the law?

You know, just simple little questions like these. New officers should not be elected until questions like these are answered. How can you elect people to be the guardians and rule makers of national football if they are imcompetent?

This is not an election, its the usual shoe-in of old mates in an exclusive club.
Title: Re: Camps wants to stay as T&TFF holds elections.
Post by: weary1969 on November 22, 2010, 08:54:36 AM
Camps wants to stay as T&TFF holds elections.
By: Andre E Baptiste (Guardian).


The 2010 Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (T&TFF) Elections will be held today at the Centre of Excellence, Macoya, from 5 pm according to the incumbent president, Oliver Camps.

Camps speaking on Isports Saturday on i95.5fm confirmed todays elections, with the annual general meeting and the voting for posts. Camps said all positions are up for contention.

Camps also confirmed he was seeking re-election. I love the sport and I believe that I can still contribute in many ways given my knowledge and experience...but this all is dependent if I am nominated on the day so if they nominate me, I will contest for president, he revealed.

On the fact that he may face a challenge for the first time, Camps was cautious. I expect to be challenged...but let us wait and see what happens on the day, because a lot can happen between now and then.

Camps said all financial members were notified and invited to the meeting but he could not say if special advisor Jack Warner would be present.

I am not certain if he will be there. I do not know...but he does not vote, noted Camps. Camps was also very sceptical of the presence of the media.

We do not normally invite the media, so I am not certain if any notice was given to the media. I do not have the agenda.

What agenda. Agendas are needed 4 meetings this is a farse.

But lets b thankful this yr we knew d date and time b4 it happen. So d glass half full. Lets c in 3yrs time d media might get a lil invite. We makin progress.
Title: Re: Camps wants to stay as T&TFF holds elections.
Post by: Socapro on November 22, 2010, 09:12:43 AM
Any where else in the world, this election would be a serious occasion. Anyone interested in the future of T&T football, be it at local level or world cup qualification, would be demanding answers before anyone is elected or re elected. Specifically, what will happen if, on friday, the judge supports the players claim for an interim payment of $44 million?

How will this be paid?
In the 4 years since the case began, what contingency plans have been put in place?
What will happen if TTFF become bankrupt?
Where are the audited accounts for 2005-2010?
How much money has been spent defending this case?
Why did no witnesses attend the arbitration and why was no evidence submitted?
Will FIFA suspend T&T if this case is lost and/or TTFF are bankrupt?
What are the implications for the future of T&T football if members associated with TTFF and acting on its behalf have broken the law?

You know, just simple little questions like these. New officers should not be elected until questions like these are answered. How can you elect people to be the guardians and rule makers of national football if they are imcompetent?

This is not an election, its the usual shoe-in of old mates in an exclusive club.

An election should not be held until the above issues are addressed!
Why is the TTFF having this now for now elections, with the media not being invited & man wants to be re-elected and he has not dealt with those vital issues outlined above for the past four years while he has been in charge? And what contribution has Camps made to T&T football outside of helping to keep JW's pocket fat? But therein lies the important factor that ensures that JW does his best to keep Camps in charge!

Quote:
Camps also confirmed he was seeking re-election. I love the sport and I believe that I can still contribute in many ways given my knowledge and experience...but this all is dependent if I am nominated on the day so if they nominate me, I will contest for president, he revealed.
Title: Re: Camps wants to stay as T&TFF holds elections.
Post by: Brownsugar on November 22, 2010, 09:16:19 AM
@ Socapro...the elections were always carded for this year.  Is just the date was kept a big secret, as usual.

This is not an election, 

.....this is madness!!

But say wha,
We going Brazil!!!!
Title: Re: Camps wants to stay as T&TFF holds elections.
Post by: weary1969 on November 22, 2010, 09:18:03 AM
@ Socapro...the elections were always carded for this year.  Is just the date was kept a big secret, as usual.

This is not an election, 

.....this is madness!!

But say wha,
We going Brazil!!!!

Always keep yuh eye on d prize is SOCA V SAMBA 2014
Title: Re: Camps wants to stay as T&TFF holds elections.
Post by: davidephraim on November 22, 2010, 05:04:22 PM
I surprise he know there is an election. He not sure who will be there, the agenda, who invited etc. Lol these guys jokey yes!

my sentiments exactly!
Title: Re: Camps wants to stay as T&TFF holds elections.
Post by: just cool on November 22, 2010, 05:39:25 PM
Just saw on CTNT that camps just won the ting again, so much for the supposed revolution!
Title: Re: Camps wants to stay as T&TFF holds elections.
Post by: Brownsugar on November 22, 2010, 05:46:11 PM
Just saw on CTNT that camps just won the ting again, so much for the supposed revolution!

Camps eh win nutten.....if nobody compete against him, how he win??  As an aside, since he is named as a defendant in the high court battle, can he be held personally liable should the day come for a pay out??  If yes, I hope he pay until he ole arse kick the bucket and den he generations for 100 years to come pay too!!  Nasty, stinking, dutty, scumbags!!   Steups!!

Anyway, we going Bazil!!!......
Title: Re: Camps wants to stay as T&TFF holds elections.
Post by: royal on November 22, 2010, 06:11:16 PM
Just saw on CTNT that camps just won the ting again, so much for the supposed revolution!



what did I tell you on another thread JC? 
Title: Re: Camps wants to stay as T&TFF holds elections.
Post by: just cool on November 22, 2010, 06:29:52 PM
Just saw on CTNT that camps just won the ting again, so much for the supposed revolution!



what did I tell you on another thread JC? 
It had man on here talking all this revolution talk, and boom, nutten! this board is just ah cyber lime in trute yes, no commitment, no influence, as ah matter of fact the whole of T&T is full of half steppers. it's ah wonder how these ppl manage to qualify for a world cup.

this was one of the reasons i doh ramp with westindians especially trini, BC they too fackin jokey. IMO jack and camps could be moved, ppl just have tuh want it real bad!
Title: Re: Camps wants to stay as T&TFF holds elections.
Post by: truetrini on November 22, 2010, 06:31:23 PM
In de History ah de TTFF or TTFA, I bet allyuh Camps is de BEST President it ever had.   ;)

And it is not farfeteched that we going to Brazil...as even a broken clock is right twice in one day....and that clock got it right for Germany...why not Brazil?
Title: Re: Camps wants to stay as T&TFF holds elections.
Post by: Deeks on November 22, 2010, 06:42:36 PM
Just saw on CTNT that camps just won the ting again, so much for the supposed revolution!



what did I tell you on another thread JC? 
It had man on here talking all this revolution talk, and boom, nutten! this board is just ah cyber lime in trute yes, no commitment, no influence, as ah matter of fact the whole of T&T is full of half steppers. it's ah wonder how these ppl manage to qualify for a world cup.

this was one of the reasons i doh ramp with westindians especially trini, BC they too fackin jokey. IMO jack and camps could be moved, ppl just have tuh want it real bad!

Bro,
          off course this is a chat forum. We can't effect change as we would like if we living in foreign. The people home have to do the hard work and we, hopefully, should support them in making the change for the betterment of football. Look at Gally situation. Gally and the 60s men is reall ball jumbies. They have have tried everything to move jack out. They have failed. As long as Jack has FIFA to back him him, we stuck with that vampire. Plain and simple.
Title: Re: Camps wants to stay as T&TFF holds elections.
Post by: ribbit on November 22, 2010, 06:53:02 PM
T&TFF holds elections

ah wonder if what de T&TFF really mean is "hold erections"? ah mean dis so-called exercise is a regular, self-serving, masturbatory event for the benefit of "jock" warner. anyways .....
Title: Re: Camps wants to stay as T&TFF holds elections.
Post by: Babalawo on November 23, 2010, 12:01:52 AM
surprise he eh give Natasha Navas the wuk
Title: Re: Camps wants to stay as T&TFF holds elections.
Post by: grskywalker on November 23, 2010, 06:09:23 PM
NOOOOOO!!!!!
Title: Re: Camps wants to stay as T&TFF holds elections.
Post by: Flex on November 23, 2010, 06:48:49 PM
Oliver Camps returns as TTFF President.
By: Hema Ramkisson (TTFF Media).


Oliver Camps was returned unopposed to the position of President of the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation at the Federations Annual General Meeting at the Centre of Excellence yesterday afternoon.

Camps, who has served in the position since 1992, said he was humbled by the Executives decision to return him to the helm.

"I'm honoured and extremely humbled to be given yet another term to serve in the position as President of the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation.

I will continue to serve the sport and its stakeholders to the best of my ability. It has been a long and exciting journey and together I am confident we can overcome any obstacle to ensure that football is elevated to the next level.

The veteran football administrator revealed that he will be taking on a number of new projects during his term including working with the various stakeholders to improve the framework governing club football.
 
"One of my objectives will be to have a proper restructuring of club football in the country with specific emphasis for the lower league clubs in the various regional associations.

I will be seeking the assistance of the Sports Ministry to ensure there is a proper modern day structure for League football in our country. Camps stated.

"While many will agree that the 2006 qualification of our men's team for the World Cup would be a major highlight, I think our country's staging of two youth World Cups in 2001 and 2010 has to be among the highlights of my tenure as President of the TTFF." The President added.

At the opening of a CONCACAF Media Relations Workshop today, the President of the Caribbean Football Union Jack Warner, congratulated Camps on his return to Office.

Oliver Camps has been a long-serving member of the football family. He continues to work tirelessly with all stakeholders to ensure that the sport advances to the next level. I wish him all the best and I am confident we will continue to see positive developments.
 
The Minister of Sport, the Hon. Anil Roberts, who was also at the opening, congratulated Mr. Camps saying he expected another exceptional four years in football.
 
Also offering congratulations was President of the TT Pro League Mr. Dexter Skeene. On behalf of the TT Pro League I would like to congratulate Mr. Camps on his re-election. We will continue to work with the Football Federation to improve the sport. The relationship between the Pro League and Federation has improved greatly under the leadership of Mr. Camps.
 
Oliver Camps, a past president of the Harvard Sports Club, is also a past manager of the T&T Men's Senior team, holding that position in 1973 when T&T narrowly missed out on qualifying for the 1974 World Cup and again in 1989 when the National Team missed out on qualifying for Italy 1990 by a single point.
 
Also elected at the AGM were Rudolph Thomas, Lennox Watson and Krishendath Kuarsingh as the Federations three Vice Presidents.
Title: Re: Camps wants to stay as T&TFF holds elections.
Post by: Tallman on November 23, 2010, 07:10:43 PM
Oliver Camps was returned unopposed to the position of President of the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation at the Federations Annual General Meeting at the Centre of Excellence yesterday afternoon.

STEUPS!
Title: Re: Camps wants to stay as T&TFF holds elections.
Post by: Socapro on November 23, 2010, 07:35:50 PM
Are we really this powerless to bring about a postive change?!  ???  :-\  :-[  :'(
Title: Re: Camps wants to stay as T&TFF holds elections.
Post by: STEUPS!! on November 23, 2010, 07:41:06 PM
Oliver Camps was returned unopposed to the position of President of the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation at the Federations Annual General Meeting at the Centre of Excellence yesterday afternoon.

STEUPS!

this post says it all
Title: Re: Camps wants to stay as T&TFF holds elections.
Post by: Socapro on November 23, 2010, 07:47:51 PM
Oliver Camps was returned unopposed to the position of President of the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation at the Federations Annual General Meeting at the Centre of Excellence yesterday afternoon.

STEUPS!

this post says it all

Ah now see why yuh chose that name, it saves you doing this!  :frustrated:
Title: Re: Camps wants to stay as T&TFF holds elections.
Post by: Deeks on November 23, 2010, 10:04:55 PM
Are we really this powerless to bring about a postive change?!  ???  :-\  :-[  :'(

yes, oui, si !!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Camps wants to stay as T&TFF holds elections.
Post by: DeSoWa on November 24, 2010, 12:05:04 AM
Oliver Camps returns as TTFF President.
By: Hema Ramkisson (TTFF Media).


"While many will agree that the 2006 qualification of our men's team for the World Cup would be a major highlight, I think our country's staging of two youth World Cups in 2001 and 2010 has to be among the highlights of my tenure as President of the TTFF." The President added.


??? I see he chose his words wisely and say it was among the highlights whilst he was at the head...but we all know he had nothing to do with those events happening in our country!
 :thumbsdown:

Big Up!

Title: Re: Camps wants to stay as T&TFF holds elections.
Post by: Football supporter on November 24, 2010, 12:33:45 AM
The relationship between the Pro League and Federation has improved greatly under the leadership of Mr. Camps.

Can someone explain to me the significance of this statement? Since the Pro League was formed, no one else has been leader! It leads you to believe that there were problems before Camps came into office, but really, the only problems between ProLeague and TTFF could only have occured while Camps was in charge!

Also, I notice big talk about stakeholders in football. I guess that players and supporters don't count as stakeholders?
Title: Re: Camps wants to stay as T&TFF holds elections.
Post by: kounty on November 24, 2010, 12:34:06 AM
wham? tim kee went against and ent vp no more awa?
Title: Re: Camps wants to stay as T&TFF holds elections.
Post by: 1-868 on November 24, 2010, 07:25:56 AM
Oliver Camps returns as TTFF President.
By: Hema Ramkisson (TTFF Media).


Oliver Camps was returned unopposed to the position of President of the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation at the Federations Annual General Meeting at the Centre of Excellence yesterday afternoon.

Camps, who has served in the position since 1992, said he was humbled by the Executives decision to return him to the helm.

"I'm honoured and extremely humbled to be given yet another term to serve in the position as President of the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation.

I will continue to serve the sport and its stakeholders to the best of my ability. It has been a long and exciting journey and together I am confident we can overcome any obstacle to ensure that football is elevated to the next level.

The veteran football administrator revealed that he will be taking on a number of new projects during his term including working with the various stakeholders to improve the framework governing club football.
 
"One of my objectives will be to have a proper restructuring of club football in the country with specific emphasis for the lower league clubs in the various regional associations.

I will be seeking the assistance of the Sports Ministry to ensure there is a proper modern day structure for League football in our country. Camps stated.

"While many will agree that the 2006 qualification of our men's team for the World Cup would be a major highlight, I think our country's staging of two youth World Cups in 2001 and 2010 has to be among the highlights of my tenure as President of the TTFF." The President added.

At the opening of a CONCACAF Media Relations Workshop today, the President of the Caribbean Football Union Jack Warner, congratulated Camps on his return to Office.

Oliver Camps has been a long-serving member of the football family. He continues to work tirelessly with all stakeholders to ensure that the sport advances to the next level. I wish him all the best and I am confident we will continue to see positive developments.
 
The Minister of Sport, the Hon. Anil Roberts, who was also at the opening, congratulated Mr. Camps saying he expected another exceptional four years in football.
 
Also offering congratulations was President of the TT Pro League Mr. Dexter Skeene. On behalf of the TT Pro League I would like to congratulate Mr. Camps on his re-election. We will continue to work with the Football Federation to improve the sport. The relationship between the Pro League and Federation has improved greatly under the leadership of Mr. Camps.
 
Oliver Camps, a past president of the Harvard Sports Club, is also a past manager of the T&T Men's Senior team, holding that position in 1973 when T&T narrowly missed out on qualifying for the 1974 World Cup and again in 1989 when the National Team missed out on qualifying for Italy 1990 by a single point.
 
Also elected at the AGM were Rudolph Thomas, Lennox Watson and Krishendath Kuarsingh as the Federations three Vice Presidents.


What de F**K is this,  "TALES FROM THE CRYPT"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ae5XwkSguNI
Title: Re: Camps wants to stay as T&TFF holds elections.
Post by: Sam on November 24, 2010, 07:30:02 AM
The relationship between the Pro League and Federation has improved greatly under the leadership of Mr. Camps.

Can someone explain to me the significance of this statement? Since the Pro League was formed, no one else has been leader! It leads you to believe that there were problems before Camps came into office, but really, the only problems between ProLeague and TTFF could only have occured while Camps was in charge!

Also, I notice big talk about stakeholders in football. I guess that players and supporters don't count as stakeholders?

Its called politics my friend, everything that surrounds football in T&T is all poltics.
Title: Re: Camps wants to stay as T&TFF holds elections.
Post by: Midknight on November 24, 2010, 12:43:51 PM
bullshittier and bullshittier
Title: Re: Camps wants to stay as T&TFF holds elections.
Post by: Jah Gol on November 24, 2010, 12:55:42 PM
The relationship between the Pro League and Federation has improved greatly under the leadership of Mr. Camps.

Can someone explain to me the significance of this statement? Since the Pro League was formed, no one else has been leader! It leads you to believe that there were problems before Camps came into office, but really, the only problems between ProLeague and TTFF could only have occured while Camps was in charge!

Also, I notice big talk about stakeholders in football. I guess that players and supporters don't count as stakeholders?
TTFF news sounding and more and more like them communist party press release.
Title: Re: Camps wants to stay as T&TFF holds elections.
Post by: grskywalker on November 24, 2010, 06:39:57 PM
"I'm honoured and extremely humbled to be given yet another term to serve in the position as President of the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation.

I will continue to serve the sport and its stakeholders to the best of my ability. It has been a long and exciting journey and together I am confident we can overcome any obstacle to ensure that football is elevated to the next level.

The veteran football administrator revealed that he will be taking on a number of new projects during his term including working with the various stakeholders to improve the framework governing club football.
 
"One of my objectives will be to have a proper restructuring of club football in the country with specific emphasis for the lower league clubs in the various regional associations.


STEUPPS!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Camps wants to stay as T&TFF holds elections.
Post by: Brownsugar on November 24, 2010, 06:55:03 PM
Since 1992 he dey and still talking bout I plan to do this and I plan to do that.....big wet f$%#$ng Steups!!!

But say wha, we going Brazil!!
Title: Re: Camps wants to stay as T&TFF holds elections.
Post by: weary1969 on November 24, 2010, 08:11:24 PM
Since 1992 he dey and still talking bout I plan to do this and I plan to do that.....big wet f$%#$ng Steups!!!

But say wha, we going Brazil!!

D ONLY TING HE EH PLANNING 2 DO IS RETIRE.
Title: Re: Camps wants to stay as T&TFF holds elections.
Post by: royal on November 24, 2010, 09:04:26 PM
Camps elected as T&TFF boss again

guardian
Published: 24 Nov 2010


Oliver Camps...re-elected for another four-year term.

Insurance consultant Oliver Camps was returned unopposed to the position of president of the T&T Football Federation at the Federations Annual General Meeting (AGM) held at the Centre of Excellence on Monday evening.Camps, who has served in the position since 1992, said he was humbled by the executives decision to return him to the helm and the support given by the general membership.

Im honoured and extremely humbled to be given yet another term to serve in the position as president of the T&T Football Federation. I will continue to serve the sport and its stakeholders to the best of my ability. It has been a long and exciting journey and together I am confident we can overcome any obstacle to ensure that football is elevated to the next level.

The veteran football administrator revealed that he will be taking on a number of new projects during his term including working with the various stakeholders to improve the framework governing club football.
One of my objectives will be to have a proper restructuring of club football in the country with specific emphasis for the lower league clubs in the various regional associations.

I will be seeking the assistance of the Sports Ministry to ensure there is a proper modern day structure for League football in our country, Camps stated. While many will agree that the 2006 qualification of our mens team for the World Cup would be a major highlight, I think our countrys staging of two youth World Cups in 2001 and 2010 has to be among the highlights of my tenure as president of the TTFF, the president added.

Camps re-election took place in the presence of zonal representatives, affiliates and one of the TTFFs honorary members, the honourable Minister of Works and Transport Austin Jack Warner.The other positions that were up for election were those of vice presidents: Rudolph Thomas, Lennox Watson and Krishendath Kuarsingh elected as the federations three vice Presidents.

Concacaf media workshop

At the opening of a CONCACAF Media Relations Workshop yesterday, the President of CONCACAF and the Caribbean Football Union Jack Warner, congratulated Camps on his return to office. He said: Oliver Camps has been a long-serving member of the football family. He continues to work tirelessly with all stakeholders to ensure that the sport advances to the next level. I wish him all the best and I am confident we will continue to see positive developments.

The Minister of Sport, the honourable Anil Roberts, who was also at the opening, congratulated Camps saying he expected another exceptional four years in football.Also offering congratulations was chief executive officer of the T&T Pro League Dexter Skeene.On behalf of the T&T Pro League I would like to congratulate Mr Camps on his re-election. We will continue to work with the Football Federation to improve the sport.

The relationship between the Pro League and Federation has improved greatly under the leadership of Mr Camps.Camps, a past president of the Harvard Sports Club, is also a past manager of the T&T Mens Senior team, holding that position in 1973 when T&T narrowly missed out on qualifying for the 1974 World Cup and again in 1989 when the National Team missed out on qualifying for Italy 1990 by a single point.



De highlighted part in de article is what some men doh understand for keeping Jack and Camps there so long
Title: Re: Camps wants to stay as T&TFF holds elections.
Post by: Deeks on November 24, 2010, 09:07:44 PM
Rudolph Thomas, Lennox Watson and Krishendath Kuarsingh

3 f-------g oui men!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Camps wants to stay as T&TFF holds elections.
Post by: Big Magician on November 25, 2010, 08:11:51 PM
IT RETURNSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
Title: Re: Camps wants to stay as T&TFF holds elections.
Post by: weary1969 on November 25, 2010, 08:36:29 PM
IT RETURNSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

 :rotfl:
Title: Camps hopes TTFF, Sport Ministry can improve relations in 2011
Post by: Tallman on January 04, 2011, 05:43:45 AM
Camps hopes TTFF, Sport Ministry can improve relations in 2011
By Kern De Freitas (T&T Express)


It's 2011 and time to get the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation's (TTFF) house in order.

TTFF president Oliver Camps yesterday acknowledged that there are a lot of issues to be sorted out before T&T football, particularly senior men's football, can begin to see improvements.

The national team had one of their worst seasons in 2010, ending the year with a group stage exit from the Digicel Caribbean Cup Finals under coach Russell Latapy. That followed a string of ordinary results which drew criticism from many corners, including Minister of Sport and Youth Affairs Anil Roberts.

Camps disclosed that during this month the TTFF will hold an executive meeting to iron out a number of issues. Chief among these is Latapy's future as national coach. The TTFF will also try to resolve full payment of national senior players for their last 13 international matches.

While senior men's team activities have come to a screeching halt pending those issues, Camps advised that the other national teams will continue to prepare for their various assignments.

In his message for the New Year, Camps expressed hope that there will be a turnaround in national football this year. But does he see the glass of T&T football as half-empty, or half-full?

"At this stage, the glass is shaking. It's a shaky glass," Camps admitted to the Express. "It may be dropping out some (water) but we will try to keep it as (steady) as possible. Everything is being done to make sure what is in place keeps on going and what has to be corrected (is) as soon as possible."

The reason for the TTFF's payment woes has been the late release of money by the Ministry of Sport and Youth Affairs, but Camps said he is not pointing fingers at the Ministry. He acknowledged that the TTFF have to take their share of the blame.

"Once the payment is late in coming, we have problems paying out everybody players and staff and whatever," Camps explained. "What I want to see happen in 2011 is that we are more promptly dealt with.

"Granted we may have been a little tardy in supplying them with the (necessary) information...we have to buck up ourselves and see things done in a timely basis, and we have to treat with it in a timely basis. We all have a piece of blame to take. "

For Camps, turning over a new leaf is the best approach and he stated his wish for the Ministry of Sport to play a "better part" and a "bigger role (financially)" in assisting their development programme.

So where else can the TTFF improve?

"Generally speaking, the tardiness all-round," Camps said. "(But) people have been working hard. If they weren't working hard, no football would be going on at all."
Title: Re: Camps hopes TTFF, Sport Ministry can improve relations in 2011
Post by: Dutty on January 04, 2011, 08:36:24 AM
............. aaaand cue Big Mag(http://www.cool-smileys.com/images/2080.gif)




Camps and he trini version of the glass half-full analogy had mih laughin
Title: Re: Camps hopes TTFF, Sport Ministry can improve relations in 2011
Post by: jai john on January 04, 2011, 08:53:03 AM
A Camps statement ....this is precious ! I cutting out dis from de papers yes .... years from now when they exhuming the football cemetry this go be worth a lot ! :devil:
Title: Re: Camps hopes TTFF, Sport Ministry can improve relations in 2011
Post by: Jah Gol on January 04, 2011, 09:01:39 AM

"Granted we may have been a little tardy in supplying them with the (necessary) information...we have to buck up ourselves and see things done in a timely basis, and we have to treat with it in a timely basis. We all have a piece of blame to take. "
I have not heard this since primary school.

I wish these guys no evil but it starting to look like they might literally have to die for change to occur.
Title: Re: Camps hopes TTFF, Sport Ministry can improve relations in 2011
Post by: jai john on January 04, 2011, 09:08:42 AM

"Granted we may have been a little tardy in supplying them with the (necessary) information...we have to buck up ourselves and see things done in a timely basis, and we have to treat with it in a timely basis. We all have a piece of blame to take. "
I have not heard this since primary school.

I wish these guys no evil but it starting to look like they might literally have to die for change to occur.
Is long tim
e since Camps has spoken on anything ...give him a chance nah ....that would explain why some of is expressions you last heard when you were in primary school ! 25 years have passed how you feel ..as Lord Funny once asked
Title: Oliver Camps Thread
Post by: Trini _2026 on January 05, 2011, 05:51:47 PM
TTFF President Oliver Camps delivers his address at start of Dutch KNVB Course

http://www.youtube.com/v/aQ946jtiJvc

http://www.youtube.com/v/5EtwwzXjVLE

Title: Re: TTFF President Oliver Camps delivers his address at start of Dutch KNVB Course
Post by: Big Magician on January 05, 2011, 09:15:31 PM
IT ADRESSESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
Title: Re: TTFF President Oliver Camps delivers his address at start of Dutch KNVB Course
Post by: 100% Barataria on January 05, 2011, 10:55:12 PM
Hawk too
Title: Re: TTFF President Oliver Camps delivers his address at start of Dutch KNVB Course
Post by: Bakes on January 05, 2011, 11:15:28 PM
The lack of responses to this thread and the ^^^above two posts aptly sums up the collective feelings towards Camps, lol :beermug:
Title: Re: TTFF President Oliver Camps delivers his address at start of Dutch KNVB Course
Post by: Kingk on January 05, 2011, 11:55:42 PM
is RL part of this ?  ???
Title: Re: TTFF President Oliver Camps delivers his address at start of Dutch KNVB Course
Post by: just cool on January 06, 2011, 01:55:02 AM
I've been saying this all along, set a standard for coaching on all levels just like here in the U.S. as embarrassing as it is, @ least they making ah turn in the right direction. i does always say, "it better late than never".
Title: Re: TTFF President Oliver Camps delivers his address at start of Dutch KNVB Course
Post by: Deeks on January 06, 2011, 04:12:36 PM
The lack of responses to this thread and the ^^^above two posts aptly sums up the collective feelings towards Camps, lol :beermug:
Ditto!!
Title: Re: TTFF President Oliver Camps delivers his address at start of Dutch KNVB Course
Post by: jai john on January 06, 2011, 06:04:36 PM
When I saw this headline I thought it read ...Camps delivers a dress at start of ...
I just never associated Camps with any kind of statement .... :devil:
Title: Re: TTFF President Oliver Camps delivers his address at start of Dutch KNVB Course
Post by: King Deese on January 07, 2011, 01:00:43 PM
Aye, doh lie, tell the truth. Ent "the strongman of TnT" write that speech for Scamps? All he had to do was read the damn thing. At least he might have gotten that right.
Title: Re: TTFF President Oliver Camps delivers his address at start of Dutch KNVB Course
Post by: kicker on January 07, 2011, 02:43:22 PM
When I saw this headline I thought it read ...Camps delivers a dress at start of ...
I just never associated Camps with any kind of statement .... :devil:


I thought he was just disclosing to everyone where he livin'....
Title: Re: TTFF President Oliver Camps delivers his address at start of Dutch KNVB Course
Post by: Socapro on January 07, 2011, 04:17:45 PM
When I saw this headline I thought it read ...Camps delivers a dress at start of ...
I just never associated Camps with any kind of statement .... :devil:


I thought he IT was just disclosing to everyone where he IT livin'....

At least IT can read!!! (Thanks BM, yuh spot on!! ;))

http://www.youtube.com/v/aQ946jtiJvc

I had my doubts before IT delivered this address!!

Well folks, doh expect to hear much more from IT for the rest of this year eh!

The effort IT must have made to deliver this address could easily have drained IT of energy and brain power to do anything else for the remainder of this year!

Lets enjoy a rare moment and appreciate IT for what IT was!!  8)
Title: Re: TTFF President Oliver Camps delivers his address at start of Dutch KNVB Course
Post by: Socapro on January 07, 2011, 04:32:31 PM
Another rare interview with IT conducted by our boy Shaun Fuentes back in 2007 after ITs disappointing re-election back then as TTFF President!

http://www.youtube.com/v/PjjRmwUr2dU

Would have been nice for Shaun to have conducted another more pressing interview this time round after ITs unopposed re-election yet again in December 2010!

Maybe Sam can conduct one?!!  :devil:
Title: Re: TTFF President Oliver Camps delivers his address at start of Dutch KNVB Course
Post by: Quags on January 07, 2011, 05:50:57 PM
Socapro you go head trying to bring down Camps ,the last person we try and bring to justice was Jack ...and he might be the next Prime Minister   :o.With our luck Camps will be the next TnT President .
Title: Re: TTFF President Oliver Camps delivers his address at start of Dutch KNVB Course
Post by: Socapro on January 07, 2011, 07:31:38 PM
Socapro you go head trying to bring down Camps ,the last person we try and bring to justice was Jack ...and he might be the next Prime Minister  Shocked .With our luck Camps will be the next TnT President .

 :o  :rotfl:
Title: Re: TTFF President Oliver Camps delivers his address at start of Dutch KNVB Course
Post by: Big Magician on January 08, 2011, 05:19:35 PM
and check de rammfle up old paper he reading from...mama
Title: Re: TTFF President Oliver Camps delivers his address at start of Dutch KNVB Course
Post by: ZANDOLIE on January 08, 2011, 05:21:51 PM
and check de rammfle up old paper he reading from...mama

 :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: Ent! And he hand trimbling like Jack just rough him up!
Title: Re: TTFF President Oliver Camps delivers his address at start of Dutch KNVB Course
Post by: Tallman on January 11, 2011, 06:35:32 PM
http://www.youtube.com/v/bPtb87TvJZA

http://www.youtube.com/v/LarS-UfBFjk

http://www.youtube.com/v/a3qziRGVuc4
Title: Re: TTFF President Oliver Camps delivers his address at start of Dutch KNVB Course
Post by: Sam on January 11, 2011, 09:00:33 PM
Watching that video with Anton Corneal he look like he have some sugar in he tank !

Ah feel he is ah under cover hen !!

Watch he movement allyuh.
Title: Is this the end of Oliver ? or is he gonna ask for more ?
Post by: jai john on March 10, 2011, 06:49:40 PM
I may be reading this wrong, correct me if I am , but it looks like Jack has hung Camps out to dry ...in de hottest sun. " he should pay de players " ...Camps has said ...no money !! so he eh know nothing bout de hundreds of millions that passed through an organisation that he is the President of ?
 
My info is that in scamping out of TTFA committments the TTFF was formed ...and Camps is the owner ! So who has to pay if there is a lien on the organisation ?

Talk is that they will try to kill off the TTFF and re-emerge with another pseudonym to escape the payment ... as in the past ...

I cant wait for book 3 !

Title: Re: Is this the end of Oliver ? or is he gonna ask for more ?
Post by: Cocorite on March 10, 2011, 07:11:59 PM
I may be reading this wrong, correct me if I am , but it looks like Jack has hung Camps out to dry ...in de hottest sun. " he should pay de players " ...Camps has said ...no money !! so he eh know nothing bout de hundreds of millions that passed through an organisation that he is the President of ?
 
My info is that in scamping out of TTFA committments the TTFF was formed ...and Camps is the owner ! So who has to pay if there is a lien on the organisation ?

Talk is that they will try to kill off the TTFF and re-emerge with another pseudonym to escape the payment ... as in the past ...I cant wait for book 3 !



When will this loop hole be plugged?
Title: Re: Camps hopes TTFF, Sport Ministry can improve relations in 2011
Post by: Football supporter on March 11, 2011, 03:20:05 PM
I may be reading this wrong, correct me if I am , but it looks like Jack has hung Camps out to dry ...in de hottest sun. " he should pay de players " ...Camps has said ...no money !! so he eh know nothing bout de hundreds of millions that passed through an organisation that he is the President of ?
 
My info is that in scamping out of TTFA committments the TTFF was formed ...and Camps is the owner ! So who has to pay if there is a lien on the organisation ?

Talk is that they will try to kill off the TTFF and re-emerge with another pseudonym to escape the payment ... as in the past ...

I cant wait for book 3 !



This can't happen this time. You have to have a viable reason to be declared bankrupt. If TTFF try, they will be asked to show where the money went to. All evidence is already before the High Court. In T&T if an organisation goes bankrupt due to financial irregularities, the assets of the ceo/president can be seized. Camps is TTFF president and Warner was in charge of LOC2006. So bankruptcy would mean full investigations, seizure of property and legal charges. Ain't gonna happen.
Title: Re: Is this the end of Oliver ? or is he gonna ask for more ?
Post by: Bakes on March 11, 2011, 04:08:42 PM
I may be reading this wrong, correct me if I am , but it looks like Jack has hung Camps out to dry ...in de hottest sun. " he should pay de players " ...Camps has said ...no money !! so he eh know nothing bout de hundreds of millions that passed through an organisation that he is the President of ?
 
My info is that in scamping out of TTFA committments the TTFF was formed ...and Camps is the owner ! So who has to pay if there is a lien on the organisation ?

Talk is that they will try to kill off the TTFF and re-emerge with another pseudonym to escape the payment ... as in the past ...I cant wait for book 3 !



When will this loop hole be plugged?

The players should still be able to go after Camps and Warner personally to collect any outstamding debts.
Title: Re: Camps hopes TTFF, Sport Ministry can improve relations in 2011
Post by: Big Magician on March 11, 2011, 04:41:23 PM
F#CK CAMPS
Title: Re: Camps hopes TTFF, Sport Ministry can improve relations in 2011
Post by: Brownsugar on March 13, 2011, 11:11:32 AM
F#CK CAMPS

Oh Big Magician, tell we how yuh REALLY feel about Camps..... :rotfl: ;D
Title: Re: Camps hopes TTFF, Sport Ministry can improve relations in 2011
Post by: King Deese on March 13, 2011, 02:33:43 PM
As the damn president of the ttff you should not be using phrases like: I hope, declare bankruptcy, borrow money, we are broke, I have to seek the advice of one man, one man's money is paying for all this, this training camp is expensive. Scamps you are fired you fool.
Title: Re: Camps hopes TTFF, Sport Ministry can improve relations in 2011
Post by: elan on March 13, 2011, 06:59:49 PM
Camps ever talk (press release) so much before?
Title: Camps says TTFF hands clean
Post by: Tallman on June 10, 2011, 12:14:00 PM
Camps says TTFF hands clean
T&T Newsday


We have done nothing wrong and we have no reason to hide. Those were the defiant words of Oliver Camps, president of the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (TTFF), commenting for the first time since allegations of bribery were made against TTFF special adviser Jack Warner and FIFA executive member Mohammed bin Hammam.

In a media release yesterday, Camps categorically denied he or any of the TTFFs delegates accepted the bribery sum of US$40,000 from bin Hammam and said he will not be part of a witch-hunt by FIFA. The Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation is cognisant of the current investigations into allegations of bribery being made against Austin Jack Warner...(and) wishes to explicitly state that none of its delegates were offered any inducements, bribes or gifts to support any of the candidates during the meeting on the May 10, 2011 at the Hyatt Regency Hotel in Trinidad, he said. Camps argued that the meeting took place all within the FIFA boundaries that dictate what was acceptable.

In the interest of Fair Play - one of the founding principles of this game, we listened to the speeches by Mohammed bin Hammam, as he put forth a case as to why he would be the best choice for FIFA. A privilege that was afforded to now FIFA president Sepp Blatter in Miami, he explained. The TTFF was made aware that the trip and accommodation were sponsored by Mohammed bin Hammam under the auspices of the CFU (Caribbean Football Union). The TTFF did not and does not see this as akin to bribery or any inducements as in the past, trips by Caribbean delegates to meetings have been sponsored by the organisation and agency that wanted to put on the programme, he added.

Camps revealed his Federation has been in communication with FIFA and promised their cooperation throughout their investigations once it is unbiased

Since the meeting...the TTFF has received several communications from CONCACAF and FIFA about allegations of bribery and invitations to meetings before the Ethics Committee of FIFA. The president and Executive of the TTFF like all other Caribbean nations will fully cooperate with any independent and unbiased investigation if and when called upon (to) do so. We have done nothing wrong and we have no reason to hide, he said.

We, however, will not be party to or participate in any witch-hunt being launched by the whims and fancies of those who wish to destroy the name of our great Confederation. As a Federation, it has been made public that we have written to FIFA expressing our concerns over the impartiality of the investigation, he continued.

The TTFF boss believes the scandal is destroying the close relationship between the CFU and CONCACAF and expressed hope that they could recover from the current situation.

We as a member of the CONCACAF are deeply saddened and disturbed over the maneuvering and machinations which have taken place...relative to the actions of the Executive and its General Secretary...The events over the past two weeks have strained the once unbreakable relationship between the CFU and CONCACAF, he said. Approached by members of the media after yesterdays meeting of Cabinet at Tobago, Warner said, what more is there left for me to say?
Title: Re: Camps says TTFF hands clean
Post by: Dutty on June 10, 2011, 12:18:41 PM
papa yo,, is now he get talkative?
Title: Re: Camps says TTFF hands clean
Post by: tempo on June 10, 2011, 12:30:03 PM
Too many words all at once. The football apocalypse is upon us.
Title: Re: Camps says TTFF hands clean
Post by: elan on June 10, 2011, 03:07:50 PM
They hands must be clean, is not like they does do anything with de fitball.
Title: Re: Camps says TTFF hands clean
Post by: DeSoWa on June 10, 2011, 03:11:39 PM
Too many words all at once. The football apocalypse is upon us.

I am pretty sure this was a written release and not a sound bite interview...take from that what you may  ::)

Big Up!
Title: Re: Camps says TTFF hands clean
Post by: dreamer on June 10, 2011, 05:00:47 PM
Trouble coming when yuh see duncy Scamps start to blabber ....    :wavetowel: :wavetowel:
People stay tuned.
Title: Re: Camps says TTFF hands clean
Post by: weary1969 on June 10, 2011, 05:42:13 PM
Thanks 4 sharing Scamps now I know money pass because all yuh hands have not been cleaned 4 decades.
Title: Re: Camps says TTFF hands clean
Post by: dreamer on June 10, 2011, 06:28:13 PM
http://jamaica-gleaner.com/gleaner/20110602/sports/sports1.html

..... Seaga, who is also a former prime minister of Jamaica and currently serves as chairman on the Premier League Clubs Association, has demanded that the leadership of the JFF come public with any involvement it may have had in the alleged 'buying' of votes.

Additionally, Seaga said that if the JFF had received any funds in relation to that scandal, the money should be returned.

He believes the integrity of the nation's football is under threat and everything should be done by local powers to protect the country's international image.

Seaga, however, didn't limit his cry for transparency and honesty to the JFF secretariat in New Kingston, but called on other Caribbean football bosses to do the same.

"To restore the integrity of the region, the present leaders of the Caribbean Football Union (CFU) must call on all the federations which received and kept the 40 thousand US dollars (US$40,000) bribe to return it forthwith or face public disclosure of the identity of these Caribbean federations which are corrupt by holding the integrity of the region to ransom," read a statement released by Seaga.

"This act of corruption involves the reputation of the Caribbean football federations and has shamed the reputation of football, much to the great sorrow of lovers of the game and other well-thinking people," the statement continued.

Speaking to The Gleaner yesterday, Seaga believes that  Jamaica's close relationship with Warner makes it one of the prime candidates for any bribery attempts, and the JFF's failure, up to this point, to provide information to the contrary, is damaging its reputation across the region and across the world.

"We are told that representatives of the countries of the region went to the meeting and they were all directed to a room where they picked up a bag each,"
Seaga said.

"That's not evidence, but what is evidential is that a statement has not been made by the leadership of the JFF to say that we did not pick up any bags and we did not receive any funds, or we received and gave it back.

"We have not heard anything from the JFF and it's well known that it (JFF) is embarrassingly close to Warner. But again, I'm not targeting them I am targeting the entire CFU," Seaga argued.

"We can't get in touch with anybody (from the JFF) and nobody has said anything to us, so we are left to draw our own conclusions," Seaga lamented. "Nobody has said anything, the information we have had is more or less to the contrary, but we won't accept information like that as being evidential.

"However, they (JFF) should have given us some words of wisdom from the beginning," he concluded.

Meanwhile, neither JFF president Captain Horace Burrell nor general secretary Horace Reid could be reached for comment, as several calls to their cellphones went unanswered.



Title: Re: Camps says TTFF hands clean
Post by: Football supporter on June 10, 2011, 07:31:55 PM
"Meanwhile, neither JFF president Captain Horace Burrell nor general secretary Horace Reid could be reached for comment, as several calls to their cellphones went unanswered."

Looks like this could become a real Horace story for JFF (geddit? Horror story  :rotfl:)
Title: Re: Camps says TTFF hands clean
Post by: royal on June 10, 2011, 08:14:33 PM
wha Camps do with de money? he ain't have no travel expense and hotel accomodation.
Title: Re: Camps says TTFF hands clean
Post by: trini_stallion on June 10, 2011, 08:45:26 PM
 :rotfl: :rotfl: :beermug:

Scamps hand clean...if d man say it clean..it clean....syke!
Title: Re: Camps says TTFF hands clean
Post by: Big Magician on June 11, 2011, 08:04:00 AM
IT SAYSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
Title: Re: Camps says TTFF hands clean
Post by: Brownsugar on June 11, 2011, 08:49:03 AM
IT SAYSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

 :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

right on cue BM!!!...
Title: Re: Camps says TTFF hands clean
Post by: dreamer on June 11, 2011, 10:34:20 AM
http://www.concacaf.com/staticFiles/f3/75/0,,12813~161267,00.pdf   

Title: Re: Camps says TTFF hands clean
Post by: dreamer on June 12, 2011, 05:14:02 PM
Wide World of Sports (WWOS)
Suriname gifts await FIFA decision
Sun Jun 12 2011

http://wwos.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=8260240



FIFA's ethical committee has told the Suriname Football Union (SVB) to wait for instructions on what to do with gifts that could be part of the bribery scandal that has rocked FIFA.

Caribbean Football Union (CFU) official Jason Sylvester presented the gifts, including $US40,000 ($A37,834), to the Suriname board after a meeting with Asian Football Confederation chief Mohamed Bin Hammam of Qatar.

Bin Hammam was among four people suspended by FIFA for alleged roles in the attempted bribery of 25 CFU associations in the build-up to FIFA presidential elections.

Bin Hammam challenged FIFA President Sepp Blatter for the top football post but bowed out after being charged. Blatter was re-elected unopposed on June 1.

As the FIFA investigates allegations of bribery, the SVB has offered all assistance and has faxed all official documents sent by CFU for the meeting with Bin Hammam in Trinidad on June 6 to the FIFA inquiry authorities.
"We are a small and needy country, but will never under any circumstances take bribes or material," SVB chairman Louis Giskus told AFP.

"Now we just wait for the FIFA ethical commission to tell us what to do now."

Giskus outlined the details of what Sylvester gave the board and denied any form of bribery took place, saying the SVB will return all gifts if so directed.

"On May 11 we received a laptop, a beamer and a brown envelope with Suriname printed on it, containing four piles of $10,000, brand-new bills," Giskus said.

"CFU official Jason Sylvester responded to my questions saying the beamer and laptop were from CONCACAF and the money came from CFU and was for the development of football projects.[/b]

"After rumours in Zurich, we requested the FIFA to be heard immediately on the gifts.

"On June 1 we confirmed and explained to the FIFA that after the meeting with Bin Hammam and 26 unions, we were all told to gather gifts at the CFU office in Hyatt Hotel."

Giskus said the SVB confirmed receiving the gift in a letter to the CFU.

"The SVB reported the gifts in their administration and their banker, after it noted all bill numbers. The beamer and laptop are already put into use, and the money, put on hold, was going to be spent for next month Olympians games in Paramaribo."

In the past, the SVB has received many CFU material donations and financial aid from FIFA.

"And Sylvester is a CFU official, which is an official authority within the FIFA", Giskus says, adding that the SVB had no doubts at that moment.

According to Giskus, no government official in Suriname has requested any information from the SVB on the FIFA scandal
Title: Re: Camps says TTFF hands clean
Post by: Football supporter on June 12, 2011, 07:40:55 PM
What is a "beamer"? The only beamer I know is a BMW!!!
Title: Re: Camps says TTFF hands clean
Post by: Bakes on June 12, 2011, 10:13:28 PM
What is a "beamer"? The only beamer I know is a BMW!!!

I think he's referring to an overhead projector... used, I suppose, to "beam" images onto a wall or screen.
Title: Re: Camps says TTFF hands clean
Post by: Football supporter on June 13, 2011, 06:30:57 AM
What is a "beamer"? The only beamer I know is a BMW!!!

I think he's referring to an overhead projector... used, I suppose, to "beam" images onto a wall or screen.

LOL, I thought a BMW was a little excessive even for bin Hammam!  However, a national team player once told me that when they toured Africa, a certain Special Adviser commented on one of the fleet cars, a new shape 7 series BMW. The accompanying local administrator immediately said he would send over a couple! Of course, thats just hearsay, but........?
Title: Re: Camps says TTFF hands clean
Post by: King Deese on June 13, 2011, 10:42:59 AM
After reading this plea from this old man, my thoughts went straight to some of the biggest scandals in history with people like Martha Stewart, who denied she got an insider tip on some stocks to make millions of dollars. Jeffrey Skillings and Kenneth Lay of Enron fame who conned people out of their millions and IRA. L. Dennis koslowski and Mark Swartz of Tyco who conned people out of their millions as well and still doing time. Bernie Madoff of the Ponzi Scheme fame who siphoned billions from people's pockets and hooked up his wife and kids. He practically made-off with people life savings and well being. Rafael Palmeiro, Roger Clemence, Mark Mcguire, Sammy Sosa, Barry Bonds, Jose Canseco, all of them lied in front of the US Congress about knowing their drug dealers and taking steroids. To old man Scamps, time has a way of revealing the truth. Your time is near.  :devil: Maybe is a good time to fall on your sword and save yourself from embarrassment and possibly jail time. Scamps and all these people have one thing in common. They all said their hands were clean. Nastee, stinkin, dutty, conce.
Title: Re: Camps says TTFF hands clean
Post by: ZANDOLIE on July 27, 2011, 12:23:53 AM
Camps revealed his Federation has been in communication with FIFA and promised their cooperation throughout their investigations once it is unbiased

Since the meeting...the TTFF has received several communications from CONCACAF and FIFA about allegations of bribery and invitations to meetings before the Ethics Committee of FIFA. The president and Executive of the TTFF like all other Caribbean nations will fully cooperate with any independent and unbiased investigation if and when called upon (to) do so. We have done nothing wrong and we have no reason to hide, he said.


Title: Re: Camps says TTFF hands clean
Post by: Flex on July 27, 2011, 04:05:26 AM
Camps not sending report to FIFA.
By Stephon Nicholas (Newsday).


Oliver Camps, president of Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (TTFF), will not be utilising the 48-hour grace period provided by FIFA for Caribbean Football Union (CFU) heads to give their truthful and complete versions of the event of the infamous May 10-11 meeting in Trinidad.

With FIFA banning former Asian football president Mohamed bin Hammam for life for allegedly giving US$40,000 bribes to several CFU officials as cash for votes to support his abandoned presidential campaign, the spotlight has now been turned to those who FIFA believe received bribes.

On Monday, footballs governing body sent letters giving the attendees of the controversial conference until today to explain what happened or face possible life bans from football.

Following this 48-hour period, the ethics committee will be asked to open the necessary ethics proceedings, FIFA said.

Any person who has relevant information but does not come forward during this 48-hour period will be subject to the full range of sanctions. Truthful and complete reporting will be considered in mitigation by the ethics committee when deciding on potential sanctions.

But speaking to Newsday yesterday, Camps stated emphatically that he did not need any last chance to tell the truth since he did so in Miami about a month ago.

I already went to Miami and gave my evidence almost a month ago. I dont have to (send any more reports), he said.

The TTFF boss reiterated his statement made on June 9 earlier this year that neither him nor his delegates received bribes from bin Hammam even though the Qatari has been found guilty by the FIFA ethics committee.

In a media release on June 9, Camps declared, the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation...wishes to explicitly state that none of its delegates were offered any inducements, bribes or gifts to supports any of the candidates during the meeting. Yesterday he did not waiver from his earlier statement.

I spoke the truth then and I stand by it, he said.

Camps was reluctant, however, to give his opinion on whether bin Hammams punishment was justified.

I have no comment on that. He knew what he did do and what he did not do. If he wants to, he can appeal, he added.

Camps, although previously declaring his organisations refusal to participate in a witch-hunt by the whims and fancies of those who want to destroy the name of our great Confederation, yesterday backtracked and declared his support for FIFAs due process.

Im not too sure its any witch-hunt. They are doing their investigations. FIFA are trying to keep things above board, he explained.
Title: Re: Camps says TTFF hands clean
Post by: dreamer on July 27, 2011, 05:03:16 AM
http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/sports/Time-s-up---FIFA-s-48-hour-ultimatum-to-CFU-runs-out-today_9310868

Time's up! - FIFAs 48-hour ultimatum to CFU runs out today
SEAN A WILLIAMS
Assistant Sport Editor williamss@jamaicaobserver.com
Wednesday, July 27, 2011



ACTING president of the embattled Caribbean Football Union (CFU), Jamaican Captain Horace Burrell, says he expects all members yet to co-operate with FIFA's Ethics Committee investigations into bribery allegations to comply in time to meet a 48-hour ultimatum issued by the world governing body of the sport.

FIFA has given Caribbean football leaders a last chance to explain their part in a Trinidad meeting where Mohamed bin Hammam allegedly offered them bribes, or face the possibility of life bans from football.


"All members of the CFU have agreed that they will comply with the latest FIFA order, and I expect that they will," said Burrell, who is also president of the Jamaica Football Federation (JFF).

Football's scandal-hit governing body sent letters Monday setting out a today deadline for CFU members to provide "truthful and complete" versions of events.

"Any person who has relevant information but does not come forward during this 48-hour period will be subject to the full range of sanctions," FIFA said in a statement.

Of nine countries that are on record of co-operating with investigators, Burrell categorically stated that Jamaica was one of them.

"We (JFF) have co-operated with these investigations and were present at the Bahamas meetings conducted by former FBI director Louis Freeh, who is leading the investigation on behalf of FIFA. We spoke with Mr Freeh and the meeting was respectful from both sides," said the CONCACAF Executive Committee member.

The CFU membership had refused to meet with Freeh and his team for interviews in Miami, but some complied when the venue was switched to the less prejudicial Bahamas last month.

"Some members were not able to attend for various reasons," Burrell said yesterday.

Last month as the story unravelled about the cash-for-vote that resulted in bin Hammam being banned for life by FIFA's ethics committee on Saturday, Burrell had defended Jamaica by declaring that "we were neither offered nor received" any gifts. He has maintained that position.

The Qatari bin Hammam was accused of offering US$40,000 cash bribes to Caribbean officials to back his later-abandoned presidential bid to unseat Sepp Blatter.

In its letter to all 25 CFU members on Monday, FIFA asked "the associations, their presidents and any of their members... (for) knowledge of anything that transpired" in Trinidad at a May 10-11 conference, which bin Hammam acknowledges that he paid for.

"Following this 48-hour period, the ethics committee will be asked to open the necessary ethics proceedings," the FIFA correspondent said.

"Truthful and complete reporting will be considered in mitigation by the ethics committee when deciding on potential sanctions," it added.

With at least nine Caribbean countries said to have co-operated with FIFA's investigation into the bribery claims, and a 10th Cuba was not present in Trinidad for the controversial meet.

Of the 15 remaining CFU members, 12 wrote testimonies denying the allegations and supporting bin Hammam and Caribbean football powerbroker Jack Warner when they first appeared before FIFA's ethics panel in May.

Those supporters were targeted in recent weeks by FIFA investigators, led by Freeh, but some did not co-operate or did not accept invitations to be quizzed in Miami and the Bahamas last month.

The sanctions threatened by FIFA could potentially remove the Caribbean's most experienced football leaders.

Most are longtime allies of Warner, who avoided the ethics panel's scrutiny by resigning from all his football positions last month, including his 28-year seat on FIFA's executive committee, and his presidencies of the CONCACAF regional confederation and the CFU.

Title: Re: Camps says TTFF hands clean
Post by: royalian on July 27, 2011, 05:54:06 AM
this could be a blessing in disguise. Let Camps continue to maintain they have clean hands and Uncle Sepp ban them for life, paving the way for new admins in TT football.
Title: Re: Camps says TTFF hands clean
Post by: Coop's on July 27, 2011, 06:03:10 AM
this could be a blessing in disguise. Let Camps continue to maintain they have clean hands and Uncle Sepp ban them for life, paving the way for new admins in TT football.
      What blessing in disguise you talking about,if T&T Football get ban what a new admin going to do?run Minor leagues?we talking about ban for life,this is serious business.
Title: Re: Camps says TTFF hands clean
Post by: royalian on July 27, 2011, 06:43:31 AM
this could be a blessing in disguise. Let Camps continue to maintain they have clean hands and Uncle Sepp ban them for life, paving the way for new admins in TT football.
      What blessing in disguise you talking about,if T&T Football get ban what a new admin going to do?run Minor leagues?we talking about ban for life,this is serious business.

i think they will sanction individuals not associations, this is a play to rid the caribbean of Warner's influence, which is admittedly at play with those who refuse to give evidence
Title: Re: Camps says TTFF hands clean
Post by: ZANDOLIE on July 27, 2011, 09:27:59 AM
this could be a blessing in disguise. Let Camps continue to maintain they have clean hands and Uncle Sepp ban them for life, paving the way for new admins in TT football.
      What blessing in disguise you talking about,if T&T Football get ban what a new admin going to do?run Minor leagues?we talking about ban for life,this is serious business.

All the more reason for Mr. Camps to comply with the request.
Title: Re: Camps says TTFF hands clean
Post by: Coop's on July 27, 2011, 09:47:36 AM
this could be a blessing in disguise. Let Camps continue to maintain they have clean hands and Uncle Sepp ban them for life, paving the way for new admins in TT football.
      What blessing in disguise you talking about,if T&T Football get ban what a new admin going to do?run Minor leagues?we talking about ban for life,this is serious business.

All the more reason for Mr. Camps to comply with the request.

       Didn't he comply with the request?didn't he go to Miami when he was asked too?wasn't he investigated already?what they are asking for is those who never showed or responded in any way to FIFA request.
Title: Re: Camps says TTFF hands clean
Post by: ZANDOLIE on July 27, 2011, 09:54:29 AM
this could be a blessing in disguise. Let Camps continue to maintain they have clean hands and Uncle Sepp ban them for life, paving the way for new admins in TT football.
      What blessing in disguise you talking about,if T&T Football get ban what a new admin going to do?run Minor leagues?we talking about ban for life,this is serious business.

All the more reason for Mr. Camps to comply with the request.

       Didn't he comply with the request?didn't he go to Miami when he was asked too?wasn't he investigated already?what they are asking for is those who never showed or responded in any way to FIFA request.

My bad I did not realize it was for only CFU members that made no previous statements.
Title: Re: Camps says TTFF hands clean
Post by: dreamer on July 27, 2011, 10:11:22 AM
Scampito eh tellin' de truth about Jackulito and FIFA wants more information especially from individuals closest to the nerve center of the corruption / bribery scandal.
Strongly recommend that he comes clean ..... and then resigns. In any case Uncle Seppos will likely take him out and spare him the misery of seeing his padnahs lick him up coolo breezo. Sorry about talkin' 'bout yuh boy so Coop's. I know it's painful.
Title: Re: Camps says TTFF hands clean
Post by: elan on July 27, 2011, 11:08:54 AM
What we go do boy if the Jack Warner and Camps cyah run we football boy.  :'(  All these youth developmental programs and structure that they put in place in the last 30 years will all crumble and go to waste  :(  Why we government eh protect JW and Camps from FIFA setting them up for nutten. JW working hard, the man even sell he house to get the TTFF going, when he meet CONCACAF they only had a chair. THe man does help out we athletes at a drop of a couple million dollars.

What we go do boy when our saviours cannot help to continue all that they have done to bring we football to such a high level of football.  ???   :nailbiting:
Title: Re: Camps says TTFF hands clean
Post by: just cool on July 27, 2011, 11:10:50 AM
I was wondering if the federation could be banned along with the president, and if so, what was the point of deal dat warner took with fifa?

on the other hand, if warner have all this files on blatter and fifa, then i don't think that blatter wants to go there since he would be threading on very thin ice. and the BS goes on.
Title: Re: Camps says TTFF hands clean
Post by: Socapro on July 27, 2011, 01:24:09 PM
this could be a blessing in disguise. Let Camps continue to maintain they have clean hands and Uncle Sepp ban them for life, paving the way for new admins in TT football.
      What blessing in disguise you talking about,if T&T Football get ban what a new admin going to do?run Minor leagues?we talking about ban for life,this is serious business.

i think they will sanction individuals not associations, this is a play to rid the caribbean of Warner's influence, which is admittedly at play with those who refuse to give evidence

Exactly!!

If the players court case against the TTFF don't get rid of Scamps, Blatter will!
All the yes men who helped Jack to control the CFU & CONCACAF and who are still protecting him must go!
Blatter out for blood!!

I am beginning to have a change of heart about Blatter & FIFA!  :-*
Title: Re: Camps says TTFF hands clean
Post by: Big Magician on July 27, 2011, 11:33:50 PM
It saysssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss
Title: Re: Camps says TTFF hands clean
Post by: Babalawo on July 28, 2011, 02:04:49 AM
 :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Title: Re: Camps says TTFF hands clean
Post by: Brownsugar on July 28, 2011, 05:43:20 AM
this could be a blessing in disguise. Let Camps continue to maintain they have clean hands and Uncle Sepp ban them for life, paving the way for new admins in TT football.
      What blessing in disguise you talking about,if T&T Football get ban what a new admin going to do?run Minor leagues?we talking about ban for life,this is serious business.

All the more reason for Mr. Camps to comply with the request.

       Didn't he comply with the request?didn't he go to Miami when he was asked too?wasn't he investigated already?what they are asking for is those who never showed or responded in any way to FIFA request.

Coop's sometimes in your perceived eagerness to defend the TTFF/Jack and his croonies, you does surprise mih with your lack of facts.  Camps did not go to Miami to give any evidence.  As far as I know, he has denied any knowledge of anything happening at the Hyatt in May.  He said so when this mess first started and he is saying so again.

He like many other of Jack's lackeys when asked to give evidence were defiant and gave nothing even if they knew what happened e.g. Jamaica........

As for football being serious business, I waiting decades for Camps and the rest of scum to take we football seriously.....
Title: Re: Camps says TTFF hands clean
Post by: Football supporter on July 28, 2011, 06:43:12 AM
this could be a blessing in disguise. Let Camps continue to maintain they have clean hands and Uncle Sepp ban them for life, paving the way for new admins in TT football.
      What blessing in disguise you talking about,if T&T Football get ban what a new admin going to do?run Minor leagues?we talking about ban for life,this is serious business.

All the more reason for Mr. Camps to comply with the request.

       Didn't he comply with the request?didn't he go to Miami when he was asked too?wasn't he investigated already?what they are asking for is those who never showed or responded in any way to FIFA request.

Coop's sometimes in your perceived eagerness to defend the TTFF/Jack and his croonies, you does surprise mih with your lack of facts.  Camps did not go to Miami to give any evidence.  As far as I know, he has denied any knowledge of anything happening at the Hyatt in May.  He said so when this mess first started and he is saying so again.

He like many other of Jack's lackeys when asked to give evidence were defiant and gave nothing even if they knew what happened e.g. Jamaica........

As for football being serious business, I waiting decades for Camps and the rest of scum to take we football seriously.....

Yo, Miss Sugar, sorry to contradict you, but the report said:

But speaking to Newsday yesterday, Camps stated emphatically that he did not need any last chance to tell the truth since he did so in Miami about a month ago.

I already went to Miami and gave my evidence almost a month ago. I dont have to (send any more reports), he said.
Title: Re: Camps says TTFF hands clean
Post by: Coop's on July 28, 2011, 06:57:14 AM
this could be a blessing in disguise. Let Camps continue to maintain they have clean hands and Uncle Sepp ban them for life, paving the way for new admins in TT football.
      What blessing in disguise you talking about,if T&T Football get ban what a new admin going to do?run Minor leagues?we talking about ban for life,this is serious business.

All the more reason for Mr. Camps to comply with the request.

       Didn't he comply with the request?didn't he go to Miami when he was asked too?wasn't he investigated already?what they are asking for is those who never showed or responded in any way to FIFA request.

Coop's sometimes in your perceived eagerness to defend the TTFF/Jack and his croonies, you does surprise mih with your lack of facts.  Camps did not go to Miami to give any evidence.  As far as I know, he has denied any knowledge of anything happening at the Hyatt in May.  He said so when this mess first started and he is saying so again.

He like many other of Jack's lackeys when asked to give evidence were defiant and gave nothing even if they knew what happened e.g. Jamaica........

As for football being serious business, I waiting decades for Camps and the rest of scum to take we football seriously.....

Yo, Miss Sugar, sorry to contradict you, but the report said:

But speaking to Newsday yesterday, Camps stated emphatically that he did not need any last chance to tell the truth since he did so in Miami about a month ago.

I already went to Miami and gave my evidence almost a month ago. I dont have to (send any more reports), he said.

      Sugar,it's not a matter of i eager to defend anybody or anyone,i try to follow what's going on in the best way i can with an open mind,if i'm wrong or don't understand i usually keep quiet and wait on guys like Bakes to explain and clear up things.I'm sorry if i got it wrong,i guess Camps is lying it's up to FIFA to do what ever they have to do. 
Title: Re: Camps says TTFF hands clean
Post by: dreamer on July 28, 2011, 12:03:01 PM
Good job Brownsugar. He feel he slick, but we all went to primary school and learnt a li'l comprehension an' ting. Man go ride any convenient horse to conceal hypocrisy. One minute he fears cyber violence from forumites, next minute he needs a forumite to explain his specialty area and behaviour of his own padnahs, next minute you suddenly caused a eureka moment for him. Next week he back to square one. Sad state of affairs ... in an effort to destroy our football and let some laugh all de way to de bank, Madoff-style ..... but only for a while. Watch de space. There is a man above.
Title: Re: Camps says TTFF hands clean
Post by: Socapro on July 28, 2011, 12:42:15 PM
this could be a blessing in disguise. Let Camps continue to maintain they have clean hands and Uncle Sepp ban them for life, paving the way for new admins in TT football.
      What blessing in disguise you talking about,if T&T Football get ban what a new admin going to do?run Minor leagues?we talking about ban for life,this is serious business.

All the more reason for Mr. Camps to comply with the request.

       Didn't he comply with the request?didn't he go to Miami when he was asked too?wasn't he investigated already?what they are asking for is those who never showed or responded in any way to FIFA request.

Coop's sometimes in your perceived eagerness to defend the TTFF/Jack and his croonies, you does surprise mih with your lack of facts.  Camps did not go to Miami to give any evidence.  As far as I know, he has denied any knowledge of anything happening at the Hyatt in May.  He said so when this mess first started and he is saying so again.

He like many other of Jack's lackeys when asked to give evidence were defiant and gave nothing even if they knew what happened e.g. Jamaica........

As for football being serious business, I waiting decades for Camps and the rest of scum to take we football seriously.....

Yo, Miss Sugar, sorry to contradict you, but the report said:

But speaking to Newsday yesterday, Camps stated emphatically that he did not need any last chance to tell the truth since he did so in Miami about a month ago.

I already went to Miami and gave my evidence almost a month ago. I dont have to (send any more reports), he said.

      Sugar,it's not a matter of i eager to defend anybody or anyone,i try to follow what's going on in the best way i can with an open mind,if i'm wrong or don't understand i usually keep quiet and wait on guys like Bakes to explain and clear up things.I'm sorry if i got it wrong,i guess Camps is lying it's up to FIFA to do what ever they have to do. 

I hope they hang the lying Scamp! If our players don't get him via the court case & the TTFF paying up then hopefully FIFA will! I think FIFA is fully aware by now that Scamps is Jack's puppet!
Title: Camps: Govt has given nothing.
Post by: Flex on August 04, 2011, 05:06:12 AM
Camps: Govt has given nothing.
By: Ian Prescott (Express).


TTFF STALLED

The vehicle by which Trinidad and Tobago hopes to qualify for the Brazil 2014 FIFA World Cup has stalled, even before the journey has begun.

"That was just another set of talk. Nothing has come of it." Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (T&TFF) president Oliver Camps said yesterday about Government's much-publicised plan to fund T&T's Brazil 2014 FIFA World Cup campaign. "That was only talk. We have submitted everything we were asked for, and gotten nothing."

Previously both Minister of Sport Anil Roberts and then TTFF special adviser and Works Minister Jack Warner had made a commitment to get T&T to the next World Cup.

But yesterday, Camps painted a dire picture in which he spoke of a virtually stalled national team programme. Currently, German coach Otto Pfister is having regular sessions with 16 locally-based players at the Manny Ramjohn Stadium. But, the Federation has had to cancel his first international match which was scheduled for August 8 in Haiti.

The Under-23 football team has also qualified for the penultimate round of London 2012 Olympic qualifying, but are also facing funding problems. Pfister's salary, estimated at US $50,000 per month, also has to be paid.

"At this point in time we are unable to fund any matches for the national team," Camps said. "We used to get some funding from the Sport Company, and they have said that they have no money."

Added to the funding issue, the Soca Warriors face a tough World Cup qualifying draw.

Even if T&T get by the first preliminary group which includes Bermuda, Guyana and Barbados, the Soca Warriors face an incredibly tough second round. That group will include Mexico and Costa Rica, while El Salvador is the other favoured team to enter the group. Just two of these four will qualify for the final round.

Meanwhile, all these teams have already gotten their preparation started. They have played at the CONCACAF Gold Cup, and have also been playing regular international matches.

T&T however have been inactive. The TTFF's solution is to try to raise funds. Camp said that an executive committee meeting is planned for next week, and there, he hopes a solution to the situation can be found.

And asked if the Brazil 2014 World Cup campaign dead was already dead, president Camps said: "It is not an optimistic picture. But I will fight to the end. The draw is also not the hardest I have seen, but this is the toughest period we have been through in terms of funding."

Works Minister Warner, who made a commitment to getting T&T to Brazil, is no longer involved in football. Warner recently resigned his FIFA vice-president's position after becoming involved in the bribery scandal that led to a life-ban for Asian Football Association president Mohamed Bin Hammam. Warner also resigned his post as president of the Caribbean Football Union and CONCACAF.

At a Crowne Plaza Hotel press conference in June, Warner announced the appointment of 74-year-old German Pfister as head coach of the senior team. There, he also spoke of Government's earlier commitment to get T&T to the 2014 World Cup.

"I give the commitment today that the Government will do everything in its power, financial and otherwise, to make this dream come true," Warner said.

"The Prime Minister (Kamla Persad-Bissessar) has spoken to us (Warner and Minister of Sport Anil Roberts) and said come to her with a budget that will take us to Brazil. The Government is committed to financing this project. The Minister of Sport is committed," Warner said.

Back in September 2010, Sport Minister Roberts echoed the same sentiment after the TTFF had submitted a $25,800,000 budget to the Ministry of Sport to cover the 16-month period from September 2010 until December 2011. The budget included $11,404,000 to cover the national senior men's programme. Back then, Roberts spoke of partnering with the TTFF to get T&T to the World Cup.

"You would see in the next few months the sort of investment we are going to put into it (World Cup qualification)," Roberts said. Roberts also stated that a Cabinet note would recommend that the Ministry of Sport take over the payment of salaries of the national coach and his staff from Warner and the TTFF.
Title: Re: Camps: Govt has given nothing.
Post by: frico on August 04, 2011, 05:32:28 AM
Bad news and a follow up of more bad news,did JW TEEF ALL DAT MONEY ??? ,maybe he did.This is shocking when you consider Jamaica play teams like Argentina,Canada and others.Seems to me no Jack Warner no TT football although I could be wrong.
Title: Re: Camps: Govt has given nothing.
Post by: g on August 04, 2011, 06:12:03 AM
The government should give nothing to organizations that cannot properly account for their themselves. 

All this crying in the media in an attempt to generate sympathy is almost laughable.
Title: Re: Camps: Govt has given nothing.
Post by: D.H.W on August 04, 2011, 06:32:19 AM
f**k you Camps. That is all
Title: Re: Camps: Govt has given nothing.
Post by: g on August 04, 2011, 06:51:55 AM
Yuh know what the thing is?

If the TTFF organizes games, i will do my part, i will buy a ticket, patronize a concesison stand, buy a new kit (if available). All in the thought that whatever i patronize, some part will go into the federations coffers to help maintain and sustain their efforts. And this is regardless of how the team actually performs on the field.

What has the TTFF done to sustain itself?

NOTHING!

If by some way they are able to continue, I will also in kind support the efforts as it relates to my personal love for the game and patriotism. But I will not lose any sleep if the TTFF is unable to do so.
Title: Re: Camps: Govt has given nothing.
Post by: KND2 on August 04, 2011, 07:48:58 AM
if I was in charge of the TTFF i would disban the Senior team and use the WCQ as practice games for the U23 and U20 team.

take the next 2-4 years to try to build a foundation for 2018.


either way we have little chance of making it.

especially if we do not have a decent preparation.
Title: Re: Camps: Govt has given nothing.
Post by: Sam on August 04, 2011, 07:55:58 AM
HAWK TOO

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Title: Re: Camps: Govt has given nothing.
Post by: Sam on August 04, 2011, 07:59:55 AM
FOR CAMPS

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Title: Re: Camps: Govt has given nothing.
Post by: davidephraim on August 04, 2011, 08:03:27 AM
For those who thought that this was going to be some period of jubilee better think again. The TnT government has been spoiled and the spoiler is no longer there to front de money. All de tief talk that jumpin out.. tell me who will fund the program? When you allow someone to pay all the bills upfront then they have the ability to determine how much dey take on de back end. Its been our gripe with Warner all along but now it may be time to explore a new gripe which is like Controversial say.. De private sector and de government don't like to spend money upfront for nothing that dont have to do with oil exploration and Carnival. Someone should be licking their lips at the  opportunity Jack left behind. An opening to be the new face of TnT football. But who has come forward? Yuh know how much money TnT has? We all talk bout how much Jack don't like TnT football. Is there someone out there who likes it more? No one has de ballz to step forward. Jack's fall from grace was a buying signal but everybody doing what they do best; sit and wait to see who else go deal with it. Whilst sipping ice-cafe from up on de Western hills.  Backed into a corner, I rather a greedy man than no man at all. (P.S.) ah dont want to hear bout well de TTFF incompetent. If yuh driving de cash yuh have de say. Didn't Jack? Clean house if yuh want but put up de cash and lets get to work. Bunch of talkers. dat is why Jack has always been able to take advantage because at de end of de day. Jack has Ballz!
Title: Re: Camps: Govt has given nothing.
Post by: weary1969 on August 04, 2011, 08:06:05 AM
Scamps dat use 2 wuk 2 blackmail d PNM. Yuh boi Jack would then cuss Boynes/Hunt. U need another scam it eh wukin wit d PP.
Title: Re: Camps: Govt has given nothing.
Post by: Football supporter on August 04, 2011, 08:10:18 AM
Any way you look at it, football is a business. You look at your future expenditure and check your funds. If there is a shortfall, you look to generate income.

Look what Camps said: "Camp said that an executive committee meeting is planned for next week, and there, he hopes a solution to the situation can be found."

Is this man for real? First they arrange a match and announce it without checking if they can afford to go. Then, once they realise they have no money and can't beg it off anyone, they spring into action....and organise an emergency meeting a week later. Are they f**king mad?

This meeting should have taken place immediately they realised there was a problem. The meeting should have run through the night until a soloution was found. Have they no shame? Cancelling an International match is a seriously embarrassing thing.

And why didn't they notice they were broke months ago? Do they just go to an ATM and withdraw cash without checking their balance? Do they have a tin they collect 25c coins in and thought there was enough?

Everybody on this site can tell us immediately roughly how much cash they have left until payday. Why have they no idea?

We all know they don't keep good accounts, but surely they must know what they have. Are they receiving salaries still? If so, they should be using that money. But probably they have $1 million sitting in account to ensure they still get paid.

An organisation such as TTFF should have networked enough to have options. A phone call here, an email there. This type of thing should have been sent to every large business!

"Dear Sir, as you are aware we have our first International match this year vs Haiti. It is our world reknowned coach, Otto Pfister's first and last opportunity before the 2014 world cup qualifiers to see his best team in action. Unfortunately, due to their much publiscised budget cuts, the promised funding from SPORTT has been withdrawn. As you will be aware, Mr Jack Warner has retired from football and is no longer able to help us, as he did in the past.
In this new era of T&T football, and following on from the superb performance by our Olympic team, we would appeal to your national pride to assist our national football team on the road to Brazil.
We would appreciate the opportunity to present to you, at your earliest convenience,  a powerpoint presentation incorporating marketing opportunities available to your business, include sponsorship of travel uniforms carrying your branding, and marketing and promotional opportunities for home matches, which will be televised.
We know the whole country is behind our quest to reach Brazil, and, as such, this can only be a positive advantage to your brand.
My secretary will be contacting you shortly to confirm a convenient date for us to meet.
Yours sincerely
Coliver Amps

P.S. Any freebies would be appreciated by myself and Mr Rodent"

I can't tell you how sick and disgusted I am that this is allowed to continue. They are jokers, but worse, they make us and the govt look like jokers too.

We are proud to tell the world that T&T is an emerging nation, but emerging from what? The Dark Ages?  I didn't think these mean could heap more embarrassment on this nation, but each time they surpass themselves. I genuinely feel sorry for the children and grandchildren of these men, as they will forever have the shame of being associated with them even when they are dead.    
Title: Re: Camps: Govt has given nothing.
Post by: Daft Trini on August 04, 2011, 08:13:32 AM
How do you eliminate their positions from the TTFF...? I'm willing to step up if we could do this...
Title: Re: Camps: Govt has given nothing.
Post by: Football supporter on August 04, 2011, 08:14:25 AM
I hear Sancho & Fenwick are on TV tomorrow morning to discuss the Road To Brazil. Expect some harsh criticism of TTFF! Think its on channel 3?
Title: Re: Camps: Govt has given nothing.
Post by: davidephraim on August 04, 2011, 08:17:44 AM
How do you eliminate their positions from the TTFF...? I'm willing to step up if we could do this...

By broadcasting to the nation that someone is ready and willing to step up to the plate however it would take a complete overhaul of de so called TTFF to get de ball rolling. I want to see de resignations in de guardian and we could get to work. Get de public on their side and then wage a campaign against an entity that is broke which shouldn't be that hard. There has never been a super change in the world without a war. You must be prepared to go to war knowing that you hold de trump card. DE CASH!
Title: Re: Camps: Govt has given nothing.
Post by: Storeboy on August 04, 2011, 08:23:53 AM
Oliver Camps' responsibility is to raise money from every possible donor - corporate, individual, media house, etc and not wait on government to give money.  That is not the role of government.  But of course, he wouldn't be able to do that as for the last 20 years or so, he did nothing but for TT football but lay on the lap of Jack Warner who donated "his" money siphoned form FIFA and TTFF media contracts.  Now he reveals himself as a bumbling idiot who has no leadership skills. 
Title: Re: Camps: Govt has given nothing.
Post by: FireBrand on August 04, 2011, 08:35:41 AM
And what have you given Mr Camps?  ::)
Title: Re: Camps: Govt has given nothing.
Post by: Trini _2026 on August 04, 2011, 08:36:21 AM
I hear Sancho & Fenwick are on TV tomorrow morning to discuss the Road To Brazil. Expect some harsh criticism of TTFF! Think its on channel 3?

what time .....
Title: Re: Camps: Govt has given nothing.
Post by: Coop's on August 04, 2011, 08:45:08 AM
I hear Sancho & Fenwick are on TV tomorrow morning to discuss the Road To Brazil. Expect some harsh criticism of TTFF! Think its on channel 3?
       That is the problem,that is what you expecting from them?i thought you would be expecting to hear some solutions,you eh realize that eh getting us any where,don't matter how Fenwick and Sancho feels don't matter how well their teams do,they have to realize they can only do well because of all the shyt going on around them,if they mean well for T&T Football and not themselves they better start being a little more supportive,we want to know what they can do,now is the time.  
Title: Re: Camps: Govt has given nothing.
Post by: Jah Gol on August 04, 2011, 08:48:37 AM
Shameless, geriatric,useless,piece-of-shit loser , just resign !
Title: Re: Camps: Govt has given nothing.
Post by: Football supporter on August 04, 2011, 08:59:52 AM
I hear Sancho & Fenwick are on TV tomorrow morning to discuss the Road To Brazil. Expect some harsh criticism of TTFF! Think its on channel 3?
       That is the problem,that is what you expecting from them?i thought you would be expecting to hear some solutions,you eh realize that eh getting us any where,don't matter how Fenwick and Sancho feels don't matter how well their teams do,they have to realize they can only do well because of all the shyt going on around them,if they mean well for T&T Football and not themselves they better start being a little more supportive,we want to know what they can do,now is the time.  

If you want change, you first need pressure.
Remember, these people have been abusing football for over 20 years. Why didn't previous players publically criticise them constantly? And why don't older, wiser former players offer the soloutions, after all, they've had 20 years to think of something positive?
Title: Re: Camps: Govt has given nothing.
Post by: frico on August 04, 2011, 09:43:44 AM
davidephriam have said all that needs to be said and there is no need to say more,I always thought that when JW goes our football will go into freefaall,it is coming to pass...how sad.We are sure about one thing and that is we are not going to Brazil.JW"have ballz"davidephriam say so,who can disagree with that.
Title: Re: Camps: Govt has given nothing.
Post by: elan on August 04, 2011, 09:45:39 AM
For those who thought that this was going to be some period of jubilee better think again. The TnT government has been spoiled and the spoiler is no longer there to front de money. All de tief talk that jumpin out.. tell me who will fund the program? When you allow someone to pay all the bills upfront then they have the ability to determine how much dey take on de back end. Its been our gripe with Warner all along but now it may be time to explore a new gripe which is like Controversial say.. De private sector and de government don't like to spend money upfront for nothing that dont have to do with oil exploration and Carnival. Someone should be licking their lips at the  opportunity Jack left behind. An opening to be the new face of TnT football. But who has come forward? Yuh know how much money TnT has? We all talk bout how much Jack don't like TnT football. Is there someone out there who likes it more? No one has de ballz to step forward. Jack's fall from grace was a buying signal but everybody doing what they do best; sit and wait to see who else go deal with it. Whilst sipping ice-cafe from up on de Western hills.  Backed into a corner, I rather a greedy man than no man at all. (P.S.) ah dont want to hear bout well de TTFF incompetent. If yuh driving de cash yuh have de say. Didn't Jack? Clean house if yuh want but put up de cash and lets get to work. Bunch of talkers. dat is why Jack has always been able to take advantage because at de end of de day. Jack has Ballz!

That is rel mad talk. If you understand the make up of the TTFF you would understand what happening now, why no one is rushing forward and why the private sector still not willing to invest in football in T&T. Controversial does only talk, he eh have ah clue about nutten, ah setta ah question to rile up people and then at the end he cyah say what color the blue sky is. I rather no man than ah greedy man.

This is the problem that plaguing many african nation, the blackman who use the blackman to get into a power position and then scuff at the audacity of the blackman to ask for a "handout". JW has been the biggest enemy of the youths in T&T, the biggest. He ride them yutemen to glory and when they ask for a drink of water he spat in their collective mouths. He will forever love Yorke and Latapy as a night out will satisfy these guys, but will be damned to appreciate the likes of Sancho, Nakhid and Hislop. See the worst thing for people like JW is an educated blackman, that's a great threat to them.

People like you who will support a person like JW in such a position is why we will always struggle and never move on, because as you stated, you rather a greedy man than no man. You not worried about the next man (footballer), just this man (yourself). Look at Joe Public football club. What have they done for players in assisting them in moving on to the next level? Nothing. A set of 1 year contract and high price tags. How is that helping a young player make a breakthrough? But again, the blackman should settle for the crumbs that JW and company graciously feed to them.


Like Fazeer Mohammed ask "How much do you value the possibility of emotional satisfaction?"
Title: Re: Camps: Govt has given nothing.
Post by: elan on August 04, 2011, 09:51:15 AM
I hear Sancho & Fenwick are on TV tomorrow morning to discuss the Road To Brazil. Expect some harsh criticism of TTFF! Think its on channel 3?
       That is the problem,that is what you expecting from them?i thought you would be expecting to hear some solutions,you eh realize that eh getting us any where,don't matter how Fenwick and Sancho feels don't matter how well their teams do,they have to realize they can only do well because of all the shyt going on around them,if they mean well for T&T Football and not themselves they better start being a little more supportive,we want to know what they can do,now is the time.  

If you want change, you first need pressure.
Remember, these people have been abusing football for over 20 years. Why didn't previous players publically criticise them constantly? And why don't older, wiser former players offer the soloutions, after all, they've had 20 years to think of something positive?

Why should the older players offer solutions, when they can criticize and laugh at others actually attempting to do something for the PLAYERS of T&T? Why would the older players offer solutions for the younger players to achieve more success than they ever did causing many people to forget the older players? Why would the older players assist in breeding new heroes?
Title: Re: Camps: Govt has given nothing.
Post by: Trinitozbone on August 04, 2011, 10:09:11 AM
Camps seriously are you expecting to get funds just so? Did the TtFf get any pledges of funds before they hired the coach or was it on Jack's say so? Now that all has been revealed Can the government just hand over taxpayers's money just so? It still baffles me how a coach can be hired and you don't  have the money ! He is bawling that he has no funds for his projects? How was he expecting funds of 25million? these people good yes!
Title: Re: Camps: Govt has given nothing.
Post by: injunchile on August 04, 2011, 10:16:08 AM
They will blackmail the Govt and Anil will run the money same ole same ole.
 Aunty Kamla to the rescue-Watch the ride.
Title: Re: Camps: Govt has given nothing.
Post by: davidephraim on August 04, 2011, 10:50:35 AM
For those who thought that this was going to be some period of jubilee better think again. The TnT government has been spoiled and the spoiler is no longer there to front de money. All de tief talk that jumpin out.. tell me who will fund the program? When you allow someone to pay all the bills upfront then they have the ability to determine how much dey take on de back end. Its been our gripe with Warner all along but now it may be time to explore a new gripe which is like Controversial say.. De private sector and de government don't like to spend money upfront for nothing that dont have to do with oil exploration and Carnival. Someone should be licking their lips at the  opportunity Jack left behind. An opening to be the new face of TnT football. But who has come forward? Yuh know how much money TnT has? We all talk bout how much Jack don't like TnT football. Is there someone out there who likes it more? No one has de ballz to step forward. Jack's fall from grace was a buying signal but everybody doing what they do best; sit and wait to see who else go deal with it. Whilst sipping ice-cafe from up on de Western hills.  Backed into a corner, I rather a greedy man than no man at all. (P.S.) ah dont want to hear bout well de TTFF incompetent. If yuh driving de cash yuh have de say. Didn't Jack? Clean house if yuh want but put up de cash and lets get to work. Bunch of talkers. dat is why Jack has always been able to take advantage because at de end of de day. Jack has Ballz!

That is rel mad talk. If you understand the make up of the TTFF you would understand what happening now, why no one is rushing forward and why the private sector still not willing to invest in football in T&T. Controversial does only talk, he eh have ah clue about nutten, ah setta ah question to rile up people and then at the end he cyah say what color the blue sky is. I rather no man than ah greedy man.

This is the problem that plaguing many african nation, the blackman who use the blackman to get into a power position and then scuff at the audacity of the blackman to ask for a "handout". JW has been the biggest enemy of the youths in T&T, the biggest. He ride them yutemen to glory and when they ask for a drink of water he spat in their collective mouths. He will forever love Yorke and Latapy as a night out will satisfy these guys, but will be damned to appreciate the likes of Sancho, Nakhid and Hislop. See the worst thing for people like JW is an educated blackman, that's a great threat to them.

People like you who will support a person like JW in such a position is why we will always struggle and never move on, because as you stated, you rather a greedy man than no man. You not worried about the next man (footballer), just this man (yourself). Look at Joe Public football club. What have they done for players in assisting them in moving on to the next level? Nothing. A set of 1 year contract and high price tags. How is that helping a young player make a breakthrough? But again, the blackman should settle for the crumbs that JW and company graciously feed to them.


Like Fazeer Mohammed ask "How much do you value the possibility of emotional satisfaction?"

While I can understand your position, I believe it is one that displays abrupt naivety. My contention had nothing to do with "emotional satisfaction" but rather a practical overview of a shitty situation that has just become shittier. Unlike you, I know that the shit does not only land on one man's house top. Say what yuh want about Controversial, on this particular topic he is dead on!

 This might have been a Jack Warner aggravated situation but in my opinion, he could have been stopped at any time. If Jack is de drug dealer then our government (past and present) are the school-master that has allowed him access to the pupils in the school.

The private sector has always had the ability to step in and demand a degree of transparency but it takes real currency to make those demands and since no one really wanted to step in and challenge; it has always been and remains a talking spree because at the end of the day..

 this whole football thing is just instruments of play for big children. At least where big money is concerned. Football in TnT has never been considered as serious man's work like building oil refineries. Remember less than 7% of the population is employed by these same refineries which we seem to divest all our  attention and resources towards. Is this too not rape and pillage?

So up stepped a scoundrel who had de decency to take a chance and invest in something which we didn't consider to be pliable  and he became really good at it. Why not, it was an open market and all de other big boys enjoy a good game in the oval from time to time but it was never worth putting up real dollars behind.  So we let loose de dragon and now want to squeal because he is sticking his hand into the cookie jar.

i'll go no further because it would seem that I support the course of action however I have been observant enough to realize that if it had not been for the scoundrel, with the lackluster effort we put fort toward everything except the Black Gold in the ground, We may have never even got off the ground (back then).

Then and now are different times and as such the pendulum has swung full circle and every dog has his day. Is there another dog to step in, maybe he or she don't even have to be doggish but knowing the world of business as it is, knowing that the business of football is no place for bleeding hearts I sincerely doubt that the next would be any better if there was a next in the first place. Sitting back and saying "It good fuh yuh" will not work this time.

Title: Re: Camps: Govt has given nothing.
Post by: Big Magician on August 04, 2011, 11:01:45 AM
IT PAINTSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

AND ...IT FIGHTSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
Title: Re: Camps: Govt has given nothing.
Post by: just cool on August 04, 2011, 11:23:56 AM
Any way you look at it, football is a business. You look at your future expenditure and check your funds. If there is a shortfall, you look to generate income.

Look what Camps said: "Camp said that an executive committee meeting is planned for next week, and there, he hopes a solution to the situation can be found."

Is this man for real? First they arrange a match and announce it without checking if they can afford to go. Then, once they realise they have no money and can't beg it off anyone, they spring into action....and organise an emergency meeting a week later. Are they f**king mad?

This meeting should have taken place immediately they realised there was a problem. The meeting should have run through the night until a soloution was found. Have they no shame? Cancelling an International match is a seriously embarrassing thing.

And why didn't they notice they were broke months ago? Do they just go to an ATM and withdraw cash without checking their balance? Do they have a tin they collect 25c coins in and thought there was enough?

Everybody on this site can tell us immediately roughly how much cash they have left until payday. Why have they no idea?

We all know they don't keep good accounts, but surely they must know what they have. Are they receiving salaries still? If so, they should be using that money. But probably they have $1 million sitting in account to ensure they still get paid.

An organisation such as TTFF should have networked enough to have options. A phone call here, an email there. This type of thing should have been sent to every large business!

"Dear Sir, as you are aware we have our first International match this year vs Haiti. It is our world reknowned coach, Otto Pfister's first and last opportunity before the 2014 world cup qualifiers to see his best team in action. Unfortunately, due to their much publiscised budget cuts, the promised funding from SPORTT has been withdrawn. As you will be aware, Mr Jack Warner has retired from football and is no longer able to help us, as he did in the past.
In this new era of T&T football, and following on from the superb performance by our Olympic team, we would appeal to your national pride to assist our national football team on the road to Brazil.
We would appreciate the opportunity to present to you, at your earliest convenience,  a powerpoint presentation incorporating marketing opportunities available to your business, include sponsorship of travel uniforms carrying your branding, and marketing and promotional opportunities for home matches, which will be televised.
We know the whole country is behind our quest to reach Brazil, and, as such, this can only be a positive advantage to your brand.
My secretary will be contacting you shortly to confirm a convenient date for us to meet.
Yours sincerely
Coliver Amps

P.S. Any freebies would be appreciated by myself and Mr Rodent"

I can't tell you how sick and disgusted I am that this is allowed to continue. They are jokers, but worse, they make us and the govt look like jokers too.

We are proud to tell the world that T&T is an emerging nation, but emerging from what? The Dark Ages?  I didn't think these mean could heap more embarrassment on this nation, but each time they surpass themselves. I genuinely feel sorry for the children and grandchildren of these men, as they will forever have the shame of being associated with them even when they are dead.    
Welcome to T&T the land of limers and slackers.  as for shame and embarrassment, that word don't exist in trinidad, money and corruption takes precedence. like i said before, these ole men eh have no kinda shame etall so it's useless using those words to describe them.

i already told you mr football supporter, when you get ah full dose of trinidad and tobago, you will be jumping on the first available british airways jet back to sanity. these ppl don't care not one bit, all they want tuh do is live nice and neglect the needs of the society, just like the african leaders.  :banginghead:

if yuh want tuh live in ah caribbean country where ppl have some kind of care and concern, i suggest yuh move to barbados, other than that little rock, almost all the other caribbean islands is ah total waste of fackin time , including T&T with all the monery and resources they have @ their disposal.  :frustrated:
Title: Re: Camps: Govt has given nothing.
Post by: Jack Horner on August 04, 2011, 11:24:25 AM
Without Jack Warner T&T football is dead and no one is stepping in to replace anyone in the federation willingly, every man Jack hiding now.

Why are they scared of Jack ?

Do the public expect Jack to come and bail them out now ?

Our account shows no money anyway.

Jack will raise again !!!!!
Title: Re: Camps: Govt has given nothing.
Post by: just cool on August 04, 2011, 11:28:23 AM
Without Jack Warner T&T football is dead and no one is stepping in to replace anyone in the federation willingly, every man Jack hiding now.

Why are they scared of Jack ?

Do the public expect Jack to come and bail them out now ?

Our account shows no money anyway.

Jack will raise again !!!!!
Do yuh self ah favor nah, go jump off ah fackin bridge. BTW, is jack who have us here in the first place, but my guess iz, you're not aware of that right?
Title: Re: Camps: Govt has given nothing.
Post by: Jack Horner on August 04, 2011, 11:39:21 AM
Do yuh self ah favor nah, go jump off ah fackin bridge. BTW, is jack who have us here in the first place, but my guess iz, you're not aware of that right?

Lard fadda, your language it explicit.

So Jack have you folk here and who doing anything about it ?

Like I said, the T&T public is scared of Jack.

The players only want their money.

Anil Roberts, the PM and the AG is on Jack side.

Jack have a great work in the Ministry.

So who stopping Jack.

When last you visit Trinidad, no one cares about T&T football about making any changes or even making a challenge.

Jack will raise again !!!!!
Title: Re: Camps: Govt has given nothing.
Post by: Jack Horner on August 04, 2011, 11:41:32 AM
If Anil Roberts and Jack Warner dont give any money, who will step up and give ?

If all the members of the TTFF step down right now, who steeping up to take over, nobody.

Jack will raise again !!!!!
Title: Re: Camps: Govt has given nothing.
Post by: just cool on August 04, 2011, 11:44:03 AM
Do yuh self ah favor nah, go jump off ah fackin bridge. BTW, is jack who have us here in the first place, but my guess iz, you're not aware of that right?

Lard fadda, your language it explicit.

So Jack have you folk here and who doing anything about it ?

Like I said, the T&T public is scared of Jack.

The players only want their money.

Anil Roberts, the PM and the AG is on Jack side.

Jack have a great work in the Ministry.

So who stopping Jack.

When last you visit Trinidad, no one cares about T&T football about making any changes or even making a challenge.

Jack will raise again !!!!!
let me ask you a serious question, that's if you could be serious for one nano second. who are you, and why are you so adamant to exonerate jack warner's image on this site, what's in it for you?
Title: Re: Camps: Govt has given nothing.
Post by: D.H.W on August 04, 2011, 11:53:06 AM
Jack will raise again !!!!!

 ??? good luck with that
Title: Re: Camps: Govt has given nothing.
Post by: elan on August 04, 2011, 12:29:23 PM
For those who thought that this was going to be some period of jubilee better think again. The TnT government has been spoiled and the spoiler is no longer there to front de money. All de tief talk that jumpin out.. tell me who will fund the program? When you allow someone to pay all the bills upfront then they have the ability to determine how much dey take on de back end. Its been our gripe with Warner all along but now it may be time to explore a new gripe which is like Controversial say.. De private sector and de government don't like to spend money upfront for nothing that dont have to do with oil exploration and Carnival. Someone should be licking their lips at the  opportunity Jack left behind. An opening to be the new face of TnT football. But who has come forward? Yuh know how much money TnT has? We all talk bout how much Jack don't like TnT football. Is there someone out there who likes it more? No one has de ballz to step forward. Jack's fall from grace was a buying signal but everybody doing what they do best; sit and wait to see who else go deal with it. Whilst sipping ice-cafe from up on de Western hills.  Backed into a corner, I rather a greedy man than no man at all. (P.S.) ah dont want to hear bout well de TTFF incompetent. If yuh driving de cash yuh have de say. Didn't Jack? Clean house if yuh want but put up de cash and lets get to work. Bunch of talkers. dat is why Jack has always been able to take advantage because at de end of de day. Jack has Ballz!

That is rel mad talk. If you understand the make up of the TTFF you would understand what happening now, why no one is rushing forward and why the private sector still not willing to invest in football in T&T. Controversial does only talk, he eh have ah clue about nutten, ah setta ah question to rile up people and then at the end he cyah say what color the blue sky is. I rather no man than ah greedy man.

This is the problem that plaguing many african nation, the blackman who use the blackman to get into a power position and then scuff at the audacity of the blackman to ask for a "handout". JW has been the biggest enemy of the youths in T&T, the biggest. He ride them yutemen to glory and when they ask for a drink of water he spat in their collective mouths. He will forever love Yorke and Latapy as a night out will satisfy these guys, but will be damned to appreciate the likes of Sancho, Nakhid and Hislop. See the worst thing for people like JW is an educated blackman, that's a great threat to them.

People like you who will support a person like JW in such a position is why we will always struggle and never move on, because as you stated, you rather a greedy man than no man. You not worried about the next man (footballer), just this man (yourself). Look at Joe Public football club. What have they done for players in assisting them in moving on to the next level? Nothing. A set of 1 year contract and high price tags. How is that helping a young player make a breakthrough? But again, the blackman should settle for the crumbs that JW and company graciously feed to them.


Like Fazeer Mohammed ask "How much do you value the possibility of emotional satisfaction?"

While I can understand your position, I believe it is one that displays abrupt naivety. My contention had nothing to do with "emotional satisfaction" but rather a practical overview of a shitty situation that has just become shittier. Unlike you, I know that the shit does not only land on one man's house top. Say what yuh want about Controversial, on this particular topic he is dead on!

 This might have been a Jack Warner aggravated situation but in my opinion, he could have been stopped at any time. If Jack is de drug dealer then our government (past and present) are the school-master that has allowed him access to the pupils in the school. I am naive, when you show a lack of understanding in how FIFA operate. The government cannot demand or require anything of JW or the TTFF.

The private sector has always had the ability to step in and demand a degree of transparency but it takes real currency to make those demands and since no one really wanted to step in and challenge; it has always been and remains a talking spree because at the end of the day..  Again, the private sector cannot (they can try) demand anything. They can do what they normally do and get onboard when it profit them.

 this whole football thing is just instruments of play for big children. At least where big money is concerned. Football in TnT has never been considered as serious man's work like building oil refineries. Remember less than 7% of the population is employed by these same refineries which we seem to divest all our  attention and resources towards. Is this too not rape and pillage?
Yes, less than 7% is employed, but through investements in this field the government gain the ability to generate revenues to keep the country going at a decent level. Maybe, they can employ more locals, but the benefits of the oil  industry even in the worst case assist more T&T nationals than JW and the TTFF ever did with the footballers under their charge.  Chalk and Cheese



So up stepped a scoundrel who had de decency to take a chance and invest in something which we didn't consider to be pliable  and he became really good at it. Why not, it was an open market and all de other big boys enjoy a good game in the oval from time to time but it was never worth putting up real dollars behind.  So we let loose de dragon and now want to squeal because he is sticking his hand into the cookie jar.

I'm not to sure that decency is the correct word to use here. Yes, JW showed brilliant vision to step in and secure this venture. However, that does not entitle him to do as he will. After all, he is still representing T&T, along with the footballers he abuses. To describe it as sticking his hand into the cookie jar is playing this off as a trivial matter which it's not. JW and his family became multi-millionaires (billionaires maybe) through the sweat and toils of the youths in Trinidad and Tobago. You cannot equate that or rationalize that. JW gains were much more than the athletes have ever gotten in return, much, much, much, much more. Again who is being naive.


i'll go no further because it would seem that I support the course of action however I have been observant enough to realize that if it had not been for the scoundrel, with the lackluster effort we put fort toward everything except the Black Gold in the ground, We may have never even got off the ground (back then).

That's a very uninformed, unfortunate and unfactual, statement. If you think Trinbagonians are lazy then that's your thought, but you cannot castigate a nation because you think so. How do you explain, Penny Commissiong, Hasely Crawford, Ato Boldon, Briam Lara, George Bovell, Peter Minshall, etc? Trinbagonians are a very innovative and creative people who if they did not have the black gold would have generated some other avenue to live.  

Then and now are different times and as such the pendulum has swung full circle and every dog has his day. Is there another dog to step in, maybe he or she don't even have to be doggish but knowing the world of business as it is, knowing that the business of football is no place for bleeding hearts I sincerely doubt that the next would be any better if there was a next in the first place. Sitting back and saying "It good fuh yuh" will not work this time.

Even if someone wants to take charge, why should they step in now? I would not. As a business person or someone looking to invest in our football I would not step in at this juncture. There are to many loose end to tie up (JW role, the court case, newlyappointed coach, image on world stage fresh on others mind, etc). Let Camps and they sort out as much as possible. They will eventually elimate themselves. Them someone can step in and take charge.



There is no way to rationalize what JW did to our football. The crumbs we got on the way may have satisfied some, but for other who trying to make this a way of life (yes you can do that in today's world believe it or not), JW has been more detrimental than progressive. We have not improve on anything since 1973, nothing. Sorry, but cannot agree with anything you and controversial saying.

Controversial should look at the assistance that Hardest and they got from the federation to help them achieve their football goals.
Title: Re: Camps: Govt has given nothing.
Post by: Bakes on August 04, 2011, 12:44:51 PM
I hear Sancho & Fenwick are on TV tomorrow morning to discuss the Road To Brazil. Expect some harsh criticism of TTFF! Think its on channel 3?
       That is the problem,that is what you expecting from them?i thought you would be expecting to hear some solutions,you eh realize that eh getting us any where,don't matter how Fenwick and Sancho feels don't matter how well their teams do,they have to realize they can only do well because of all the shyt going on around them,if they mean well for T&T Football and not themselves they better start being a little more supportive,we want to know what they can do,now is the time.  

I really doh have the patience to deal with you sometimes nah Coop's.


EDIT:  throw in davidephraim with all that jackass talk as well.
Title: Re: Camps: Govt has given nothing.
Post by: Socapro on August 04, 2011, 12:49:15 PM
For those who thought that this was going to be some period of jubilee better think again. The TnT government has been spoiled and the spoiler is no longer there to front de money. All de tief talk that jumpin out.. tell me who will fund the program? When you allow someone to pay all the bills upfront then they have the ability to determine how much dey take on de back end. Its been our gripe with Warner all along but now it may be time to explore a new gripe which is like Controversial say.. De private sector and de government don't like to spend money upfront for nothing that dont have to do with oil exploration and Carnival. Someone should be licking their lips at the  opportunity Jack left behind. An opening to be the new face of TnT football. But who has come forward? Yuh know how much money TnT has? We all talk bout how much Jack don't like TnT football. Is there someone out there who likes it more? No one has de ballz to step forward. Jack's fall from grace was a buying signal but everybody doing what they do best; sit and wait to see who else go deal with it. Whilst sipping ice-cafe from up on de Western hills.  Backed into a corner, I rather a greedy man than no man at all. (P.S.) ah dont want to hear bout well de TTFF incompetent. If yuh driving de cash yuh have de say. Didn't Jack? Clean house if yuh want but put up de cash and lets get to work. Bunch of talkers. dat is why Jack has always been able to take advantage because at de end of de day. Jack has Ballz!

I guess if you had the money then you would have the balls (in this instance another word for the expression brave stupidity) to give the unaccountable Camps & the TTFF all the funding they need ent?!

And tell me how does that help our football?
Look how much money they got during the 2006 World Cup campaign and up to now they still can't show the court any accounts.

Some ah allyuh men does make me realise that common sense is not as common as most of us would like to think!!
 ::)
Title: Re: Camps: Govt has given nothing.
Post by: Socapro on August 04, 2011, 01:14:51 PM
I hear Sancho & Fenwick are on TV tomorrow morning to discuss the Road To Brazil. Expect some harsh criticism of TTFF! Think its on channel 3?
       That is the problem,that is what you expecting from them?i thought you would be expecting to hear some solutions,you eh realize that eh getting us any where,don't matter how Fenwick and Sancho feels don't matter how well their teams do,they have to realize they can only do well because of all the shyt going on around them,if they mean well for T&T Football and not themselves they better start being a little more supportive,we want to know what they can do,now is the time.  

If you want change, you first need pressure.
Remember, these people have been abusing football for over 20 years. Why didn't previous players publically criticise them constantly? And why don't older, wiser former players offer the soloutions, after all, they've had 20 years to think of something positive?

Why should the older players offer solutions, when they can criticize and laugh at others actually attempting to do something for the PLAYERS of T&T? Why would the older players offer solutions for the younger players to achieve more success than they ever did causing many people to forget the older players? Why would the older players assist in breeding new heroes?

 :beermug:
Title: Re: Camps: Govt has given nothing.
Post by: Preacher on August 04, 2011, 01:42:24 PM
Come on man!!  What is the problem here?  If the Gov't don't trust the TTFF's ability to manage money can't they appoint someone with oversight of the money?  A good accountant will suffice.  Will Fifa consider this Gov't interference if an office is created to laz between to two administrations?  

This situation is an opportunity for leadership.  If there's accountability the private sector would respond and with minimal success the waggonist will return.   Bankroll the 1st rounds, give the team the best chance, let them hit them teams for 3 and 4 nil. and the private sector will return.  No one is passing up a chance to make a dollar.    

Instead of looking at Mexico and CR and giving up, think about the possibility of the win against them.  And you journalist print something worth reading for once, something that inspires hope in our fellas, heck, I'm sure they want to play.  Take journalistic leadership and use your pen for positive vibes.  

Failing to try is cemented in history and conscience forever.  Our leaders seem to have forgotten that football is about country, pride and the people.  It's not about you!!!!!  DO YOU JOB ON BEHALF OF THE PEOPLE AND THE NATION.
Title: Re: Camps: Govt has given nothing.
Post by: ZANDOLIE on August 04, 2011, 01:59:00 PM
Come on man!!  What is the problem here?  If the Gov't don't trust the TTFF's ability to manage money can't they appoint someone with oversight of the money?  A good accountant with will suffice.  Will Fifa consider this Gov't interference if an office is created to laz between to two administrations?  

This situation is an opportunity for leadership.  If there's accountability the private sector would respond and with minimal success the waggonist will return.   Bankroll the 1st rounds, give the team the best chance, let them hit them teams for 3 and 4 nil. and the private sector will return.  No one is passing up a chance to make a dollar.

So tax payers must pay money to appoint a man to make sure the man they paying money don't thief the money? Where was the oversight in the first place? Camps is a shitong and always will be. Giving him money will not change his performance one iota. And the gov't should not be in the business of knowingly bankrolling corrupt organizations

Title: Re: Camps: Govt has given nothing.
Post by: Preacher on August 04, 2011, 05:08:40 PM
Come on man!!  What is the problem here?  If the Gov't don't trust the TTFF's ability to manage money can't they appoint someone with oversight of the money?  A good accountant with will suffice.  Will Fifa consider this Gov't interference if an office is created to laz between to two administrations?  

This situation is an opportunity for leadership.  If there's accountability the private sector would respond and with minimal success the waggonist will return.   Bankroll the 1st rounds, give the team the best chance, let them hit them teams for 3 and 4 nil. and the private sector will return.  No one is passing up a chance to make a dollar.

So tax payers must pay money to appoint a man to make sure the man they paying money don't thief the money? Where was the oversight in the first place? Camps is a shitong and always will be. Giving him money will not change his performance one iota. And the gov't should not be in the business of knowingly bankrolling corrupt organizations

In the recent past there has been enough grounds for the Gov't to do due diligence concerning the TTFF, more than enough grounds.  What?  Is this the 1st time tax payers paying for sports in T&T?  It's not enough to throw up your hands and say "TTFF corrupt, we can't do anything."  If they are asking the Gov't for money then the Gov't have a right to be involved, more so considering.  If they concern about tax payers money that's all the more reason to create a special office.  Doing nothing is not acceptable. 
Title: Re: Camps: Govt has given nothing.
Post by: Socapro on August 04, 2011, 05:13:13 PM
Come on man!!  What is the problem here?  If the Gov't don't trust the TTFF's ability to manage money can't they appoint someone with oversight of the money?  A good accountant with will suffice.  Will Fifa consider this Gov't interference if an office is created to laz between to two administrations?  

This situation is an opportunity for leadership.  If there's accountability the private sector would respond and with minimal success the waggonist will return.   Bankroll the 1st rounds, give the team the best chance, let them hit them teams for 3 and 4 nil. and the private sector will return.  No one is passing up a chance to make a dollar.

So tax payers must pay money to appoint a man to make sure the man they paying money don't thief the money? Where was the oversight in the first place? Camps is a shitong and always will be. Giving him money will not change his performance one iota. And the gov't should not be in the business of knowingly bankrolling corrupt organizations

In the recent past there has been enough grounds for the Gov't to do due diligence concerning the TTFF, more than enough grounds.  What?  Is this the 1st time tax payers paying for sports in T&T?  It's not enough to throw up your hands and say "TTFF corrupt, we can't do anything."  If they are asking the Gov't for money then the Gov't have a right to be involved, more so considering.  If they concern about tax payers money that's all the more reason to create a special office.  Doing nothing is not acceptable.  

If that is the case then you should be calling for Camps head as a top priority before anything else don't you think?!!
 8)
Title: Re: Camps: Govt has given nothing.
Post by: Football supporter on August 04, 2011, 05:57:12 PM
In this scenario, Camps is a law unto himself. Govt or citizens have no say in his appointment or removal from his position. Therefore, it is only right that there is a govt appointee to oversee the issue of funds including projecting spending and reviewing of past years finances. Even to get a bank loan you need to show financial prudence and management. So it should be with govt funds. This position should fall under the remit of SPORTT as they are supposed to be independent. And it shouldn't just oversee TTFF, but all NSO's. We focus on TTFF, obviously, but how much more money is leaking from the other sports? No one knows, because no one is accountable.
Title: Re: Camps: Govt has given nothing.
Post by: davidephraim on August 04, 2011, 08:14:33 PM
Elan, Dat thing we have going there is too long to go and quote from it again. I'll say this, When I say the only thing we think about is the Black Gold in the ground I am reminding myself that I am a Trinidadian who elected a government which then is (supposed to be) an extension of my views and aspirations.

In no way am I dissing the people in singular but rather so in plural. While the oil does benefit the country in micro-spect if only 7% of the pop feeding off of it, the gains you referring to could only be what de oil dollars can do for us externally.

Fix roads, build taller buildings, and what have you. Yes these things are important to you me and my rack and pinion however, Water does still go every 3 days my friend, so does electricity. We cant even out a forest fire when it burnin down de eastern, western or southern hills.

They do de bare minimum with them same oil profits which if you check the price of oil internationally.. they are making money hand over fists. They haven't built any new schools and if so too few to mention. So our government has a lackluster approach to anything other than making more oil dollars and who is lucky enough by birthright, fight or fortune to get some of it.. then they live a completely different life to the rest of Trinidad & Tobago.

Back to the topic at hand. While we might be creative individually, the harm done by colonialism is still felt in all our efforts. To go one step further, TnT was the destination for the better behaved slaves so its a case of too many well behaved slaves may have spoiled the pot.

Our "act up" ratio is small so things such as revolution and fighting to win it back has been hurt tremendously. We have been able to turn some of that misfortune into fortune because of education and our out right "smarts" but those aren't the qualities that would have gotten rid of Jack Warner 20 years ago to now.  Especially when coupled with de fact dat we don't care bout football like that. So in effect there was never any need or want to change things. I'll close by saying that with all the problems that is the TTFF yuh don't buy on the high my friend.. you buy when things are bad.

This is still a perfect buying opportunity for the right investor. Had this been America someone would have been stepping to snatch this chance to start afresh.
Black people on the whole have not been taught to take chance or risk. Instead they have been taught to stick their money in the bank and hope it last until yuh dead.

Another aspect of the abuse we have endured. The other races have learned about investment as opposed to mere savings but the Indian Ethnic group nor the Cauc-asian ethnic group like you Elan do not see it viable to invest in something that doesn't benefit them in whole or in part. (I said benefit) not a cool place to lime or carry girls or allow their children to go to mingle with other folk.

The sentiment on the board is that Camps has to go but again super powers don't change hands without a showdown and Tupac say yuh can't go to war without no money. So we have to get de money right if we plan to start this war and then Camps will be the least of our worries. He lucky if he get to sweep the stadium after.
Title: Re: Camps: Govt has given nothing.
Post by: davidephraim on August 04, 2011, 08:28:10 PM
For those who thought that this was going to be some period of jubilee better think again. The TnT government has been spoiled and the spoiler is no longer there to front de money. All de tief talk that jumpin out.. tell me who will fund the program? When you allow someone to pay all the bills upfront then they have the ability to determine how much dey take on de back end. Its been our gripe with Warner all along but now it may be time to explore a new gripe which is like Controversial say.. De private sector and de government don't like to spend money upfront for nothing that dont have to do with oil exploration and Carnival. Someone should be licking their lips at the  opportunity Jack left behind. An opening to be the new face of TnT football. But who has come forward? Yuh know how much money TnT has? We all talk bout how much Jack don't like TnT football. Is there someone out there who likes it more? No one has de ballz to step forward. Jack's fall from grace was a buying signal but everybody doing what they do best; sit and wait to see who else go deal with it. Whilst sipping ice-cafe from up on de Western hills.  Backed into a corner, I rather a greedy man than no man at all. (P.S.) ah dont want to hear bout well de TTFF incompetent. If yuh driving de cash yuh have de say. Didn't Jack? Clean house if yuh want but put up de cash and lets get to work. Bunch of talkers. dat is why Jack has always been able to take advantage because at de end of de day. Jack has Ballz!

I guess if you had the money then you would have the balls (in this instance another word for the expression brave stupidity) to give the unaccountable Camps & the TTFF all the funding they need ent?!

And tell me how does that help our football?
Look how much money they got during the 2006 World Cup campaign and up to now they still can't show the court any accounts.

Some ah allyuh men does make me realise that common sense is not as common as most of us would like to think!!
 ::)

Come nah man Socapro, doh make meh feel like yuh only read the last line and then respond nah. Having the cash doesnt give you the ballz. Having the cash and be willing to stake it is where the ballz come in. There is plenty cash just not enough ballz to put it up and as for Scamps you nor I would have this dude running a lemonade stand. So dont make it seem like i'm saying go dig out yuh hard earned money and give it to the TTFF. I'm saying show the money, clean house and start afresh. (I know this sounds easier than it is.. but there in lies the problem doesn't it) The other alternatives are to do nothing, (without losing the privilege to talk bout it) or to give scamps and dem more money. I like my idea best!
Title: Re: Camps: Govt has given nothing.
Post by: Preacher on August 04, 2011, 09:11:28 PM
Come on man!!  What is the problem here?  If the Gov't don't trust the TTFF's ability to manage money can't they appoint someone with oversight of the money?  A good accountant with will suffice.  Will Fifa consider this Gov't interference if an office is created to laz between to two administrations?  

This situation is an opportunity for leadership.  If there's accountability the private sector would respond and with minimal success the waggonist will return.   Bankroll the 1st rounds, give the team the best chance, let them hit them teams for 3 and 4 nil. and the private sector will return.  No one is passing up a chance to make a dollar.

So tax payers must pay money to appoint a man to make sure the man they paying money don't thief the money? Where was the oversight in the first place? Camps is a shitong and always will be. Giving him money will not change his performance one iota. And the gov't should not be in the business of knowingly bankrolling corrupt organizations

In the recent past there has been enough grounds for the Gov't to do due diligence concerning the TTFF, more than enough grounds.  What?  Is this the 1st time tax payers paying for sports in T&T?  It's not enough to throw up your hands and say "TTFF corrupt, we can't do anything."  If they are asking the Gov't for money then the Gov't have a right to be involved, more so considering.  If they concern about tax payers money that's all the more reason to create a special office.  Doing nothing is not acceptable.  

If that is the case then you should be calling for Camps head as a top priority before anything else don't you think?!!
 8)

I agree but we haven't we done that dance before?   Are u saying there is absolutely nothing that can be done to ensure our campaign is saved short of giving the TTFF money and kissing it goodbye?  I would hope not. 

For all you know pro this could be Camps best year, considering.  :)
Title: Re: Camps: Govt has given nothing.
Post by: davidephraim on August 04, 2011, 10:43:25 PM
Come on man!!  What is the problem here?  If the Gov't don't trust the TTFF's ability to manage money can't they appoint someone with oversight of the money?  A good accountant with will suffice.  Will Fifa consider this Gov't interference if an office is created to laz between to two administrations?  

This situation is an opportunity for leadership.  If there's accountability the private sector would respond and with minimal success the waggonist will return.   Bankroll the 1st rounds, give the team the best chance, let them hit them teams for 3 and 4 nil. and the private sector will return.  No one is passing up a chance to make a dollar.

So tax payers must pay money to appoint a man to make sure the man they paying money don't thief the money? Where was the oversight in the first place? Camps is a shitong and always will be. Giving him money will not change his performance one iota. And the gov't should not be in the business of knowingly bankrolling corrupt organizations

In the recent past there has been enough grounds for the Gov't to do due diligence concerning the TTFF, more than enough grounds.  What?  Is this the 1st time tax payers paying for sports in T&T?  It's not enough to throw up your hands and say "TTFF corrupt, we can't do anything."  If they are asking the Gov't for money then the Gov't have a right to be involved, more so considering.  If they concern about tax payers money that's all the more reason to create a special office.  Doing nothing is not acceptable.  

If that is the case then you should be calling for Camps head as a top priority before anything else don't you think?!!
 8)

I agree but we haven't we done that dance before?   Are u saying there is absolutely nothing that can be done to ensure our campaign is saved short of giving the TTFF money and kissing it goodbye?  I would hope not. 

For all you know pro this could be Camps best year, considering.  :)

Preacher boy, we might have to band we belly and prepare to sit this campaign out. If it is this momentum is building to get de TTFA out we go have to support that. I hope that the momentum movers are not just after their cash but are also thinking about the overall well being of the sport or i'll be breathing fire in dey backside as they would have placed themselves in the same position as Jack Horner Warner and Scamps and dem.
For the good of de game and In the words of Chef Ramsey from Hells Kitchen....

SHUT IT DOWN!
Title: Re: Camps: Govt has given nothing.
Post by: King Deese on August 04, 2011, 11:22:25 PM
How much you looking for so old man, another $78 million so you could ride off in the sunset. You know you may not be able to spend all da money, you go keel over like a semp just now.

Would somebody please arrest this idiot.
Title: Camps: TTFF not dependent on Warner.
Post by: Flex on August 05, 2011, 04:51:59 AM
Camps: TTFF not dependent on Warner.
By Ian Prescott (Express).


Oliver Camps, president of the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (TTFF), denies that the departure from football of Minister of Works Jack Warner, a former FIFA vice-president, has left his organisation totally defenceless.

However, Camps admits that local football has suffered since the loss of their special adviser and chief financier, who resigned from football's world governing body amidst a bribery scandal involving fellow FIFA executive member Mohamed bib Hammam.

"No. It's not true to say that we were totally dependent on Jack," a defiant Camps said yesterday. "But, Mr Warner did help us out greatly from time to time."

Camps was responding to questions about the dire financial state of the Federation, which at the moment is struggling to fund matches for the national team.

He was also reluctant to answer questions about the status of head coach Otto Pfister, who joined the national team a few months ago.

"Well, he has to be paid," said Camps, while not offering solutions as to where the German's estimated US$50,000 monthly salary will come from.

Camps was also asked why after many years of existence the TTFF does not have a home.

"Football is just like any of the other sports. Just like many of them we don't have a permanent home for football, and just like many other sports we have to book the stadium and such venues for matches.

"All the sporting organisations are suffering, not just football," Camps insisted. "We are just like any of the other sporting bodies who are now struggling to fund their programmes."

Camps said the TTFF has no choice but to try and raise funds. But, he said, it's not at easy as many think.

The challenge is to get corporate Trinidad and Tobago involved with the national team's programme.

"You know that local football doesn't generate funds," Camps declared. "To generate spectator interest, we have to bring in top teams to generate funds.

And usually after paying for these teams and paying the players and other expenses, most times we just break even. People think we make big money, but many times we just break even."
Title: Re: Camps: TTFF not dependent on Warner.
Post by: Football supporter on August 05, 2011, 04:55:40 AM
"To generate spectator interest, we have to bring in top teams to generate funds."

Camps is right. Top teams like India ain't cheap.  :rotfl: :rotfl:
Title: Re: Camps: TTFF not dependent on Warner.
Post by: D.H.W on August 05, 2011, 05:09:45 AM
All of a sudden d puppet get a mouth to speak. Stueps, fu old man
Title: Re: Camps: TTFF not dependent on Warner.
Post by: Jah Gol on August 05, 2011, 06:35:06 AM
Elected unopposed.
Title: Re: Camps: TTFF not dependent on Warner.
Post by: weary1969 on August 05, 2011, 07:11:23 AM
Yeah like how I not dependent on air to breathe.
Title: Re: Camps: TTFF not dependent on Warner.
Post by: Football supporter on August 05, 2011, 07:18:23 AM
On CNC3 this morning Look Loy real criticise the Govt for going back on their promise to finance the road to Brazil.  Sancho said he supports the govt position. Why should taxpayers continue to throw money into a black hole. Once there is accountability, planning and budgeting, then the govt could help
Title: Re: Camps: TTFF not dependent on Warner.
Post by: weary1969 on August 05, 2011, 07:23:37 AM
On CNC3 this morning Look Loy real criticise the Govt for going back on their promise to finance the road to Brazil.  Sancho said he supports the govt position. Why should taxpayers continue to throw money into a black hole. Once there is accountability, planning and budgeting, then the govt could help

Dey feel d PP dotish like d PNM and would have given dem a blank check
Title: Re: Camps: TTFF not dependent on Warner.
Post by: Sam on August 05, 2011, 08:10:13 AM
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Title: Re: Camps: TTFF not dependent on Warner.
Post by: D.H.W on August 05, 2011, 08:16:44 AM
Anil where yuh? ???
Title: Re: Camps: TTFF not dependent on Warner.
Post by: kaliman2006 on August 05, 2011, 09:18:54 AM

We cyah even organize ah friendlly with Haiti.

The rich will get richer while the poor get poorer.

Buh say wha "We goin Brazil" (Copyright Brownsugar)
Title: Re: Camps: TTFF not dependent on Warner.
Post by: just cool on August 05, 2011, 10:28:24 AM
this is what yuh call poetic justice. when boynes and hunt was MOS jack and dem had enough to say about the govt lack of funding, now he himself in the PP cabinet, yuh cyar here ah peep out of him, matter of fact yuh cyar hear ah peep out of loud mouth either.

life does always teach us clear lessons if we willing to open our eyes and pay full attention. ah few months ago this man was riding on ah puffy white cloud sky's the limit, now he sailing down ah muddy canal without ah raft.

i never thought in ah million yrs that jack warner's party would blank the football after yrs of complaining bout the PNM lack of support. ah guess they feeling what it's like to have the shoe on the other foot. comfortable ain't it.  :devil: :whip:
Title: Re: Camps: TTFF not dependent on Warner.
Post by: Deeks on August 05, 2011, 10:47:38 AM
Allways remember the people you pass by on the way  UP, because you will pass them on the way DOWN. Moonman from Baltimore
Title: Re: Camps: TTFF not dependent on Warner.
Post by: Deeks on August 05, 2011, 11:20:16 AM
Do we know how much debt TTFF/TTFA has? If a group wanted to support the Assoc/Fed., would they assume debts and or commitments owed by the this current admin.? Just asking?????
Title: Re: Camps: TTFF not dependent on Warner.
Post by: Football supporter on August 05, 2011, 12:11:03 PM
Do we know how much debt TTFF/TTFA has? If a group wanted to support the Assoc/Fed., would they assume debts and or commitments owed by the this current admin.? Just asking?????

Its tricky because since April 2006, TTFF is a private company owned by Camps. Presumably there is some mandate from TTFA granting TTFF powers to operate on their behalf. If TTFA, who were incorporated by an act of parliament, close, then TTFF will have no right to represent the football interests of this country. TTFF has no board, no members etc. If TTFF go bust, they should be sued by TTFA and Mr Camps personal assets could be seized. Personally, this is the part I think Camps should be most afraid of. Groden & Look Loy could orchestrate the bankruptcy of TTFF knowing that Camps assets could be seized, thereby funding TTFA and giving them a lifeline. Of course, they are lifelong friends, similar to Warner and Blazer and Blatter and bin Hammam, so I'm sure Camps isn't worried (not).
Title: Re: Camps: TTFF not dependent on Warner.
Post by: Controversial on August 05, 2011, 01:17:02 PM
who is camps fooling? ???
Title: Re: Camps: TTFF not dependent on Warner.
Post by: Big Magician on August 05, 2011, 01:28:38 PM
IT DENIESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

AND ..IT DECLARESSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
Title: Re: Camps: TTFF not dependent on Warner.
Post by: elan on August 05, 2011, 03:44:53 PM
Scamps right they not totally dependent on JW, they also dependent on the government.
Title: Re: Camps: TTFF not dependent on Warner.
Post by: Observer on August 05, 2011, 03:46:09 PM
On CNC3 this morning Look Loy real criticise the Govt for going back on their promise to finance the road to Brazil.  Sancho said he supports the govt position. Why should taxpayers continue to throw money into a black hole. Once there is accountability, planning and budgeting, then the govt could help

ent FIFA say Government cannot interfere in Federation matters, so the Gov't listening to FIFA  :devil:
Title: Re: Camps: TTFF not dependent on Warner.
Post by: ANC2 on August 05, 2011, 03:53:29 PM
Where the 2006 Qualification money went?
Where the FIFA U17 Girls money went?
Where the money from the England game, including TV money?
England play for free to get votes. that much we know
Who paying the Woman coach big salary and house?
Who paying the Men coach big salary and house?

Somebody please ask Camps, Look loy, Groden or all three these questions.
Title: Re: Camps: TTFF not dependent on Warner.
Post by: just cool on August 05, 2011, 05:41:30 PM
Where the 2006 Qualification money went?
Where the FIFA U17 Girls money went?
Where the money from the England game, including TV money?
England play for free to get votes. that much we know
Who paying the Woman coach big salary and house?
Who paying the Men coach big salary and house?

Somebody please ask Camps, Look loy, Groden or all three these questions.
In jack's coffers.  :thinking:
Title: Re: Camps: TTFF not dependent on Warner.
Post by: Socapro on August 05, 2011, 06:23:59 PM
Let's hope Scamps is testing the waters as a comedian before he is forced to hand in his resignation!

Anyone interesting in hiring Scamps as a stand-up comedian?!  I feel he could give Sprang and Tommy a run! :clown:
Title: Re: Camps: TTFF not dependent on Warner.
Post by: King Deese on August 05, 2011, 07:21:40 PM
Camps: TTFF not dependent on Warner.
By Ian Prescott (Express).


Oliver Camps, president of the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (TTFF), denies that the departure from football of Minister of Works Jack Warner, a former FIFA vice-president, has left his organisation totally defenceless.

However, Camps admits that local football has suffered since the loss of their special adviser and chief financier, who resigned from football's world governing body amidst a bribery scandal involving fellow FIFA executive member Mohamed bib Hammam.

"No. It's not true to say that we were totally dependent on Jack," a defiant Camps said yesterday. "But, Mr Warner did help us out greatly from time to time."

Camps was also asked why after many years of existence the TTFF does not have a home.

"Football is just like any of the other sports. Just like many of them we don't have a permanent home for football, and just like many other sports we have to book the stadium and such venues for matches.

"All the sporting organisations are suffering, not just football," Camps insisted. "We are just like any of the other sporting bodies who are now struggling to fund their programmes."

Camps said the TTFF has no choice but to try and raise funds. But, he said, it's not at easy as many think.

The challenge is to get corporate Trinidad and Tobago involved with the national team's programme.

"You know that local football doesn't generate funds," Camps declared. "To generate spectator interest, we have to bring in top teams to generate funds.

And usually after paying for these teams and paying the players and other expenses, most times we just break even. People think we make big money, but many times we just break even."

Are you kidding me?

20 years have come and gone. 20 years.

You narrow minded motherf*%ker.

You are so lucky to be living in a society of happy go lucky people. In the Middle East, they would stone you and your impish motherf&%king supporters to a slow and painful death. Make no mistake about it, you are not fooling those of us who can read between the lines.
Title: Re: Camps: TTFF not dependent on Warner.
Post by: Big Magician on August 05, 2011, 07:41:22 PM
Camps will rise again
Title: Re: Camps: TTFF not dependent on Warner.
Post by: Socapro on August 05, 2011, 08:02:47 PM
Camps will rise again
:devil:

Quick someone, throw some yeast around Camps when he's next asleep at the TTFF office desk to help him rise again!!

Who knows he might even be recruited by the UNC if he's successful in his bid to rise!!  ;)

Some please pass Camps a walking stick & something to balance on! The man finally trying to rise from his desk and do something for the first time after all these years!!   ::)
Title: Re: Camps: TTFF not dependent on Warner.
Post by: zuluwarrior on August 05, 2011, 10:34:25 PM
In this life things happen for a reason , is either we accept or we dont.

Me i  say ttff or ttfa is depandant on warner scamp go foxk yuhself .
Title: Re: Camps: TTFF not dependent on Warner.
Post by: Jack Horner on August 06, 2011, 11:18:32 AM
Camps was instructed to say this.

But keep that between us.

Jack will raise again !!!!!
Title: Re: Camps: TTFF not dependent on Warner.
Post by: College on August 06, 2011, 11:27:17 AM
Camps was instructed to say this.

But keep that between us.

Jack will raise again !!!!!

Steups .. That is no secret.  We all know Camps is a puppet, incapable of acting independently because of years of smelling bamsee.
Title: Re: Camps: TTFF not dependent on Warner.
Post by: Brownsugar on August 06, 2011, 01:22:29 PM
Camps was instructed to say this.

But keep that between us.

Jack will raise again !!!!!

You is a real cunny for true....steups!!....


We cyah even organize ah friendlly with Haiti.

The rich will get richer while the poor get poorer.

Buh say wha "We goin Brazil" (Copyright Brownsugar)

That's right shout it out loud...

WE GOING BRAZIL!!.... :wavetowel: :wavetowel: :flamethrower: :party: :party: :duel: :wavetowel: :wavetowel:
Title: Oliver Camps & The TTFF Prediction Poll
Post by: Socapro on August 10, 2011, 03:38:34 PM
Okay guys this is a long overdue poll designed to send out a serious message of love to Camps & the TTFF!!  :-*

Please get voting & note you can vote separately for up to two options in the poll and you are also allowed to change your vote if you change your mind about a particular option you previously voted for as I want this poll to be as accurate and reflective of T&T footballer supporters opinions as possible!

PS: The option(s) you personally voted for will be highlighted whenever you view the current poll results!

We would like all the regulars as well as first time visitors to this site to participate!
We are hoping to have at least 100 voters contributing to this poll by end of this coming weekend!
Once we hit this target then the plan is to email the poll link to Camps!

Thanks for taking part!!  :beermug:
Title: Re: Oliver Camps & TTFF Prediction Poll
Post by: Coop's on August 10, 2011, 03:43:56 PM
Okay guys this is a long overdue poll designed to send out a serious message of love to Camps & the TTFF!!  :-*

Please get voting & note you can vote separately for up to two options in the poll and you are also allowed to change your vote if you change your mind about a particular option you previously voted for as I want this poll to be as accurate and reflective of T&T footballer supporters opinions as possible!

      The rules here remind me of TTFF elections. :devil:
Title: Re: Oliver Camps & TTFF Prediction Poll
Post by: elan on August 10, 2011, 03:45:01 PM
Okay guys this is a long overdue poll designed to send out a serious message of love to Camps & the TTFF!!  :-*

Please get voting & note you can vote separately for up to two options in the poll and you are also allowed to change your vote if you change your mind about a particular option you previously voted for as I want this poll to be as accurate and reflective of T&T footballer supporters opinions as possible!

      The rules here remind me of TTFF elections. :devil:

So you've been to a TTFF election and voted for Camps?
Title: Re: Oliver Camps & TTFF Prediction Poll
Post by: just cool on August 10, 2011, 04:15:06 PM
As much as i would love to see camps go, he's definitely not the problem, but rather the whole TTFF fraternity! the truth remains, he camps could easily be replaced by another crook, and as we all know T&T is full of them.

i want to see ah total revamp, and if possible, either shaka, kelvin jack or brent sancho taking over this federation, then and only then would i be totally please with camps departure.
Title: Re: Oliver Camps & TTFF Prediction Poll
Post by: Socapro on August 10, 2011, 04:15:48 PM
Okay guys this is a long overdue poll designed to send out a serious message of love to Camps & the TTFF!!  :-*

Please get voting & note you can vote separately for up to two options in the poll and you are also allowed to change your vote if you change your mind about a particular option you previously voted for as I want this poll to be as accurate and reflective of T&T footballer supporters opinions as possible!

      The rules here remind me of TTFF elections. :devil:

So you've been to a TTFF election and voted for Camps?

Doh try to corner Coop's like that!! Yuh wasting yuh time!!  :D
Title: Re: Oliver Camps & TTFF Prediction Poll
Post by: Socapro on August 10, 2011, 04:35:46 PM
As much as i would love to see camps go, he's definitely not the problem, but rather the whole TTFF fraternity! the truth remains, he camps could easily be replaced by another crook, and as we all know that T&T is full of them.

i want to see ah total revamp, and if possible, either shaka, kelvin jack or brent sancho take over this federation, then and only then would i be totally please with camps departure.

One step at a time JC!
If/when Camps steps aside we could think of one of those guys stepping up to the plate and helping to give the TTFF transparency, accountability and a new fresh dynamic approach to marketing, etc!
Title: Re: Oliver Camps & TTFF Prediction Poll
Post by: Coop's on August 10, 2011, 04:42:59 PM
Okay guys this is a long overdue poll designed to send out a serious message of love to Camps & the TTFF!!  :-*

Please get voting & note you can vote separately for up to two options in the poll and you are also allowed to change your vote if you change your mind about a particular option you previously voted for as I want this poll to be as accurate and reflective of T&T footballer supporters opinions as possible!

      The rules here remind me of TTFF elections. :devil:

So you've been to a TTFF election and voted for Camps?
      I told you all already it eh have nothing in T&T Football i have not been around,Breds i leave T&T 20 plus yrs ago where Camps was?i never voted i just liked going to these meetings to know what's going on,i still have reports from way back in the 70's, i around since POSFL,where were you?it's not what i read or hear it's what i know.
Title: Re: Oliver Camps & TTFF Prediction Poll
Post by: Coop's on August 10, 2011, 04:51:16 PM
As much as i would love to see camps go, he's definitely not the problem, but rather the whole TTFF fraternity! the truth remains, he camps could easily be replaced by another crook, and as we all know that T&T is full of them.

i want to see ah total revamp, and if possible, either shaka, kelvin jack or brent sancho take over this federation, then and only then would i be totally please with camps departure.
       Ah watching Sancho to see how well he running NE Stars,any time he gets an enclosed ground to call their home in Grande he is my president.You call some good guys their but they have to develop some nuts to handle T&T. :devil:
Title: Re: Oliver Camps & TTFF Prediction Poll
Post by: Socapro on August 10, 2011, 04:55:33 PM
Okay guys this is a long overdue poll designed to send out a serious message of love to Camps & the TTFF!!  :-*

Please get voting & note you can vote separately for up to two options in the poll and you are also allowed to change your vote if you change your mind about a particular option you previously voted for as I want this poll to be as accurate and reflective of T&T footballer supporters opinions as possible!

      The rules here remind me of TTFF elections. :devil:

So you've been to a TTFF election and voted for Camps?
      I told you all already it eh have nothing in T&T Football i have not been around,Breds i leave T&T 20 plus yrs ago where Camps was?i never voted i just liked going to these meetings to know what's going on,i still have reports from way back in the 70's, i around since POSFL,where were you?it's not what i read or hear it's what i know.

So Coop's are you saying that based upon the rules I've devised above for this poll that I would fit in well into the current TTFF management structure?!  :-[
Title: Re: Oliver Camps & TTFF Prediction Poll
Post by: Coop's on August 10, 2011, 04:59:27 PM
Okay guys this is a long overdue poll designed to send out a serious message of love to Camps & the TTFF!!  :-*

Please get voting & note you can vote separately for up to two options in the poll and you are also allowed to change your vote if you change your mind about a particular option you previously voted for as I want this poll to be as accurate and reflective of T&T footballer supporters opinions as possible!

      The rules here remind me of TTFF elections. :devil:

So you've been to a TTFF election and voted for Camps?

Doh try to corner Coop's like that!! Yuh wasting yuh time!!  :D
       What kind ah poll is that,everybody here know what the results will be,is only friends and family going to vote.
Title: Re: Oliver Camps & TTFF Prediction Poll
Post by: Socapro on August 10, 2011, 07:38:09 PM
Okay guys this is a long overdue poll designed to send out a serious message of love to Camps & the TTFF!!  :-*

Please get voting & note you can vote separately for up to two options in the poll and you are also allowed to change your vote if you change your mind about a particular option you previously voted for as I want this poll to be as accurate and reflective of T&T footballer supporters opinions as possible!

      The rules here remind me of TTFF elections. :devil:

So you've been to a TTFF election and voted for Camps?

Doh try to corner Coop's like that!! Yuh wasting yuh time!!  :D
       What kind ah poll is that,everybody here know what the results will be,is only friends and family going to vote.

Yuh right, this poll is similar to the TTFF elections in truth! Everyone does know beforehand that Camps going to win as he does go up unopposed and is only friends & family of Jack & Camps does vote anyway! Once a few brown envelopes pass them men happy, to hell with T&T football, even a clock that not working does be right twice a dayl!   :heehee:
Title: Re: Oliver Camps & The TTFF Prediction Poll
Post by: Socapro on August 14, 2011, 10:45:58 AM
Hey fellas please keep voting!!

We need to send Camps & the TTFF a serious message of love!!  :-*

Would be nice to have at least 100 votes by the end of the weekend and after that I plan to email the link for this voting poll to Camps aol account at the TTFF office!!
When Camps hear the beep from his computer ah sure he will wake-up quick and check his email!  ;)
Title: Re: Oliver Camps & The TTFF Prediction Poll
Post by: Daft Trini on August 14, 2011, 10:49:20 AM
TnT chances of making Brazil are slim... Go USA.
Title: Re: Oliver Camps & The TTFF Prediction Poll
Post by: Coop's on August 14, 2011, 11:46:46 AM
Hey fellas please keep voting!!

We need to send Camps & the TTFF a serious message of love!!  :-*

Would be nice to have at least 100 votes by the end of the weekend and after that I plan to email the link for this voting poll to Camps aol account at the TTFF office!!
When Camps hear the beep from his computer ah sure he will wake-up quick and check his email!  ;)
      What's the latest on this poll,is it a secret poll?come on people we need your votes.
Title: Re: Oliver Camps & The TTFF Prediction Poll
Post by: Socapro on August 15, 2011, 03:19:52 PM
Hey fellas please keep voting!! I would like all the regulars as well as first time visitors to participate!

Would like to have at least 100 voters contributing to this poll by end of this coming weekend!

Once we achieve those numbers I plan to email the link for this voting poll to Camps aol account at the TTFF office!!

When Camps hear the beep from his computer ah sure he will wake-up quick and check his email!  ;)

We need to send Camps & the TTFF a serious message of love guys so please don't let them down!!  :-*
Title: Re: Oliver Camps & The TTFF Prediction Poll
Post by: injunchile on August 15, 2011, 04:06:29 PM
Let us get serious. Do you think Camps will be influenced by what we say and what the poll reflects.
 Camps mantra is that I am here to serve TTFF and I will do it to the best of my ability= Let it not be said that I abandoned the ship at a critical juncture. Because of the perks of the job ,eg travelling all over the world Oliver aint giving up nothing. If you live in T&t a long time most of our leaders are immune to constructive criticism. Camps reminds me of the lady who went to a Cadet's passing out parade and the cadets were marching left right all 99 of them. Her son was marching right left and she went to the Commandant and said her son was the only one who got it right all the others were wrong.
Title: Re: Oliver Camps & The TTFF Prediction Poll
Post by: Socapro on August 15, 2011, 04:55:34 PM
Let us get serious. Do you think Camps will be influenced by what we say and what the poll reflects. Camps mantra is that I am here to serve TTFF and I will do it to the best of my ability= Let it not be said that I abandoned the ship at a critical juncture. Because of the perks of the job ,eg travelling all over the world Oliver aint giving up nothing. If you live in T&t a long time most of our leaders are immune to constructive criticism. Camps reminds me of the lady who went to a Cadet's passing out parade and the cadets were marching left right all 99 of them. Her son was marching right left and she went to the Commandant and said her son was the only one who got it right all the others were wrong.

I am well aware that Camps have no intention to resign hence this poll!

There is an option in the poll if you feel that Camps will continue in the job for life and will get the funds he wants for the 2014 WC campaign!

I am just trying to get a poll that gives us a true democratic reflection of what the general T&T football supporter thinks about Camps & the TTFF!

I hope you have voted as my target is a minimum of 100 voters before I send them the link!

Cheers  :beermug:
Title: Re: Oliver Camps & The TTFF Prediction Poll
Post by: injunchile on August 16, 2011, 10:55:15 AM
Thanks for the clarification- Good luck
Title: Re: Oliver Camps & The TTFF Prediction Poll
Post by: Deeks on August 17, 2011, 02:23:20 PM
Let us get serious. Do you think Camps will be influenced by what we say and what the poll reflects.
 Camps mantra is that I am here to serve TTFF and I will do it to the best of my ability= Let it not be said that I abandoned the ship at a critical juncture. Because of the perks of the job ,eg travelling all over the world Oliver aint giving up nothing. If you live in T&t a long time most of our leaders are immune to constructive criticism. Camps reminds me of the lady who went to a Cadet's passing out parade and the cadets were marching left right all 99 of them. Her son was marching right left and she went to the Commandant and said her son was the only one who got it right all the others were wrong.

That is why there is strong sentiment by some, including my self to boycott this campaign or encourage the locals to wise up and boycott the campaign..
Title: Re: Oliver Camps & The TTFF Prediction Poll
Post by: Socapro on August 23, 2011, 08:55:42 AM
I have had a few requests to keep this poll visible so folks can keep voting so I've bumped it back to the first page of this discussion board!

Hopefully all the regulars as well as first time visitors will participate!

Would like to have at least 100 voters contributing to this poll!

Once we achieve those numbers I plan to email the link for this voting poll to Camps aol account at the TTFF office!!

When Camps hear the beep from his computer ah sure he will wake-up quick and check his email!  ;)

We need to send Camps & the TTFF a serious message of love guys so please don't let them down!!  :-*
Title: Re: Oliver Camps & The TTFF Prediction Poll
Post by: Coop's on August 23, 2011, 12:38:25 PM
I have had a few requests to keep this poll visible so folks can keep voting so I've bumped it back to the first page of this discussion board!

Hopefully all the regulars as well as first time visitors will participate!

Would like to have at least 100 voters contributing to this poll!

Once we achieve those numbers I plan to email the link for this voting poll to Camps aol account at the TTFF office!!

When Camps hear the beep from his computer ah sure he will wake-up quick and check his email!  ;)

We need to send Camps & the TTFF a serious message of love guys so please don't let them down!!  :-*
       Be patient Soca,i feel after the WC campaigne peeps will vote,they giving Camps one more chance.
Title: Re: Oliver Camps & The TTFF Prediction Poll
Post by: Socapro on August 23, 2011, 08:05:15 PM
I have had a few requests to keep this poll visible so folks can keep voting so I've bumped it back to the first page of this discussion board!

Hopefully all the regulars as well as first time visitors will participate!

Would like to have at least 100 voters contributing to this poll!

Once we achieve those numbers I plan to email the link for this voting poll to Camps aol account at the TTFF office!!

When Camps hear the beep from his computer ah sure he will wake-up quick and check his email!  ;)

We need to send Camps & the TTFF a serious message of love guys so please don't let them down!!  :-*
       Be patient Soca,i feel after the WC campaigne peeps will vote,they giving Camps one more chance.

Ok cool!!  8)
Title: Re: Oliver Camps & The TTFF Prediction Poll
Post by: Trinitozbone on September 24, 2011, 04:45:24 PM
As weak as Camps is, he is not dangerous! Groden is the hatchet man but maybe FIFA will give him his sentence soon! Others like Watson and others follow the lead , they are not leaders , just do the dirty work and stay in office! I am sorry but I can't think of anyone who could transform this culture of TTFF! Just another group who want to do the same thing! We in some deep crap! I voted anyway!
Camps should have stepped down a long time ago!
Title: TTFF Camps faces contempt of court.
Post by: Flex on October 06, 2011, 04:41:02 AM
TTFF Camps faces contempt of court.
By Stephon Nicholas (Newsday).


FORMER FIFA vice-president Jack Warner has been summoned to appear in court on Tuesday to give an accurate and detailed account of the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (TTFF) finances.

And in addition, TTFF president Oliver Camps is facing an application to be held in contempt of court for allegedly submitting false accounts to Justice Devindra Rampersad in the High Court.

Despite winning a drawn-out battle with the TTFF last year over payment of bonuses for the 2006 World Cup, the players are yet to receive their money due to disagreement with the audited TTFF books.

Speaking to Newsday yesterday, British attorney Mike Townley, representing 13 members of the 2006 Soca Warriors team, explained that there has been some difficulty in determining the revenue of the local football body which has delayed the disbursement of their money.

What the players are trying to do is determine the income from the 2006 campaign, but they (TTFF) never wished to disclose it, he said.

We made an application last year for the courts to disclose the accounts. In advance of that hearing, the TTFF in December submitted their accounts audited by the internationally renowned KPMG.

I went through the accounts and found it to be rubbish and completely inaccurate. It showed for the period 2005 to 2007 the amount to be $25 million and we knew there was more. We know the government invested $200 million so the books only showed a small portion, Townley declared.

Following this, the judge ordered the TTFF to submit a specific audit which Camps did in June earlier this year. Townley argued, however, that this account was a mere rehash of the one which was rejected by the players in 2006.

The players then filed an application for Camps to be held in contempt of court and fined and or sent to prison for submitting a false account even though he had sworn to an affidavit.

In response to the application, however, Camps allegedly made a u-turn and told the court he was oblivious to the exact figures and his former Special Advisor Warner was in charge of these matters and is in possession of his organisations books.

We then made an application for Warner to be made the third defendant after the TTFF and Camps and that he be ordered to deliver the account and an affidavit swearing it to be true, Townley revealed.

The players have received an interim payment of $7.5 million but Townley believes the full figure to be significantly higher.

He says that although five years have passed since TT played in the World Cup in Germany and the wheels of justice appear to be moving slow, the players are persisting with the matter and will not stop pursuing it until they receive their due amount.

He concluded that the case could have other ramifications as not only their payments are concerned but taxpayers money as well.

When we are searching for the accounts, we are only interested in the money due to the players but if we find tremendous lack of accountability...If that $200 million from the government doesnt show up then that means the public scandal is two-fold, he argued.
Title: Re: TTFF Camps faces contempt of court.
Post by: Brownsugar on October 06, 2011, 04:56:48 AM
 :o :o
Wow!!  The Newsday!!  I would have never thunk it.....although if I see it in the Guardian I'll collapse fer sher.....
Title: Re: TTFF Camps faces contempt of court.
Post by: Football supporter on October 06, 2011, 08:41:35 AM
Lets hope the pressure on Warner keeps up. His constituents and the people of T&T need to know what he's been up too.!
Title: Re: TTFF Camps faces contempt of court.
Post by: weary1969 on October 06, 2011, 08:52:20 AM
:o :o
Wow!!  The Newsday!!  I would have never thunk it.....although if I see it in the Guardian I'll collapse fer sher.....

 ;D
Title: Re: TTFF Camps faces contempt of court.
Post by: Socapro on October 06, 2011, 08:57:00 AM
What page is that article on? I hope its on their front page!!!  :)

Everyone run and purchase a copy of Newsday today!

Maybe the other papers will see their shortcomings and try to make up for it their papers tomorrow!!  ;)
Title: Re: TTFF Camps faces contempt of court.
Post by: weary1969 on October 06, 2011, 09:05:51 AM
What page is that article on? I hope its on their front page!!!  :)

Everyone run and purchase a copy of Newsday today!

Maybe the other papers will see their shortcomings and try to make up for it their papers tomorrow!!  ;)

D back page which is d sport page headline.
Title: Re: TTFF Camps faces contempt of court.
Post by: Socapro on October 06, 2011, 09:25:55 AM
What page is that article on? I hope its on their front page!!!  :)

Everyone run and purchase a copy of Newsday today!

Maybe the other papers will see their shortcomings and try to make up for it their papers tomorrow!!  ;)

D back page which is d sport page headline.

But that is not sports news! That is general interest news!

Anyway at least one of the papers has enough principle and balls to report this important news!
Title: Re: TTFF Camps faces contempt of court.
Post by: Football supporter on October 06, 2011, 09:34:51 AM
What page is that article on? I hope its on their front page!!!  :)

Everyone run and purchase a copy of Newsday today!

Maybe the other papers will see their shortcomings and try to make up for it their papers tomorrow!!  ;)

D back page which is d sport page headline.

But that is not sports news! That is general interest news!

Anyway at least one of the papers has enough principle and balls to report this important news!

This is the problem here. When James Saunders covered it on the news last Weds, it was halfway through the sport bulletin, after the cricket!!
Title: Re: TTFF Camps faces contempt of court.
Post by: weary1969 on October 06, 2011, 10:29:36 AM
What page is that article on? I hope its on their front page!!!  :)

Everyone run and purchase a copy of Newsday today!

Maybe the other papers will see their shortcomings and try to make up for it their papers tomorrow!!  ;)

D back page which is d sport page headline.

But that is not sports news! That is general interest news!

Anyway at least one of the papers has enough principle and balls to report this important news!

This is the problem here. When James Saunders covered it on the news last Weds, it was halfway through the sport bulletin, after the cricket!!

At least James carried it u heard it so others probably did.
Title: Re: TTFF Camps faces contempt of court.
Post by: congo on October 06, 2011, 11:39:16 AM
Now that Jack is out of Fifa can the government now "interfere" with the TTFF to set it straight and get away with it? I would think that Fifa at this moment would turn a blind eye to a government trying to prosecute Jackie boy and his minions. We'll be getting rid of their gabbage basically. Ofcourse this would all be well and good if Jackie boy wasn't part of the government. :frustrated: :frustrated: :frustrated:
Title: Re: TTFF Camps faces contempt of court.
Post by: Storeboy on October 06, 2011, 11:46:02 AM
This not about interference in FIFA.  This is the courts seeing to ensure that its orders are followed .  Bravo to the courts.  But Justice delayed is Justice denied.
Title: Re: TTFF Camps faces contempt of court.
Post by: congo on October 06, 2011, 12:01:37 PM
I know it's not about interference but what I am saying is that now that Jack Warner is in the doghouse with Fifa, can the government now "interfere" with the TTFF and get away with it or do you think that FIFA would still take issue with it. 
Title: Re: TTFF Camps faces contempt of court.
Post by: King Deese on October 06, 2011, 12:06:00 PM
Uncle Ollie don't look now but tell your effin special advisor that you can see clearly now, there is a light at the end of the tunnel and you think it is a effin train. Please advise. :cursing: :frustrated: :banginghead:
Title: Re: TTFF Camps faces contempt of court.
Post by: Football supporter on October 06, 2011, 12:35:06 PM
I know it's not about interference but what I am saying is that now that Jack Warner is in the doghouse with Fifa, can the government now "interfere" with the TTFF and get away with it or do you think that FIFA would still take issue with it. 

No, FIFA would suspend T&T.
Title: Re: TTFF Camps faces contempt of court.
Post by: Mose on October 06, 2011, 01:25:43 PM
WOW!! Best bad news I've ever read!!
Title: Re: TTFF Camps faces contempt of court.
Post by: Trinitozbone on October 06, 2011, 01:56:28 PM
FiFA would not have a problem! In fact it would add to their credibility and would welcome any action by the court for justice to be given! God does not sleep! It is always good to walk the straight and narrow path!And people still doing wrong! Anything you do to a brother you are doing it to yourself! Do good and good will come back to you tenfold!
Title: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: E-man on October 27, 2011, 01:52:35 PM
According to the Twittersphere

http://twitter.com/#!/lasanaliburd

terrenceKC Terrence Clarke
@
@lasanaliburd @ShakaHislop Just received an official release from the TTFF confirming Camps resignation. #Amen
Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: truetrini on October 27, 2011, 01:57:29 PM
hahahahahaha  Old man cyar take de pressure....T&T football faces uncertain times.  Let us hope things eventually get better.
Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: Trini _2026 on October 27, 2011, 01:59:29 PM
time for a new election
Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: g on October 27, 2011, 02:00:12 PM
Amen
Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: Brownsugar on October 27, 2011, 02:03:18 PM
Whhhhaaatttttt???!!!!!!
 :o :o :o 

Flex, ah know you is a fella does get all de news first and ting but ah sure you will forgive mih if ah want to wait and see this in black and white on the TTFF's stationery first before ah start to celebrate........ah sure you will understand.
Title: Re: TTFF Camps faces contempt of court.
Post by: Trinitozbone on October 27, 2011, 02:07:28 PM
Camps tendered his resignation today just as we was facing further investigations from FIFA. I guess it is too much for the old man!
Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: Controversial on October 27, 2011, 02:26:22 PM
great news, time for the takeover  :beermug:
Title: Re: TTFF Camps faces contempt of court.
Post by: FF on October 27, 2011, 02:27:51 PM
Never thought I would see the day!!

Ring de bell dong dey!
Title: Camps resigns as President of TTFF
Post by: Tallman on October 27, 2011, 02:59:21 PM
Camps resigns as President of TTFF
TTFF


While I have been extremely satisfied and pleased to offer myself for service to the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation, the current climate within FIFA has given me reason to rethink my position and thus give notice of my immediate resignation as the President of the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation.

I have truly enjoyed working with the football fraternity and appreciated the opportunities which have been given to me through football, but when the price one has to pay includes the sullying of ones name and the denigrating of ones character without a justifiable reason, then I must confess that this is not the place that I would want to be.

It is certainly a sad day for me and this is far from what I had expected. The changing of the guards was never meant to engender the bitterness that I feel or the pain which has replaced the pleasure of service.

I will take with me though, the good memories of having led my country into the 2006 World Cup Finals in Germany. I will never forget the opportunities I have had as host of two FIFA World Cup Finals in 2001 and 2010. I will always remember that under my watch, Trinidad and Tobago qualified for four World Cup finals and if success as a leader has to be measured in football, it is against this background that I will be judged.

I served the game well, even as Manager of many national teams, so while I leave football disappointed I am also happy, because history will judge me as the most successful Football President of Trinidad and Tobago.

In no way am I disappointed that I was a part of the Caribbean Football Union meeting which met to determine the path to choose a leader for the FIFA. The current situation facing the CFU now has made it very clear to me that our choice in meeting to discuss whether President Sepp Blatter would be the preferred option was the right one.

History will not judge me for being a part of that meeting neither will it condemn me based on association.  Rather history will applaud all the football leaders of the Caribbean.
 
In conclusion, I want to thank Mr. Jack Warner for his support over the years. In him I see a true leader, a true champion, a Caribbean man, one who was prepared to do whatever was required to keep the Caribbean flag flying with dignity and pride. To the very end, my friend and I remain committed to his inspired leadership and loyal to friendship.

I thereby submit with immediate effect my resignation as President of the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation.

Respectfully submitted

Yours sincerely,
TRINIDAD AND TOBAGO FOOTBALL FEDERATION


Oliver Camps
President
Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: Brownsugar on October 27, 2011, 03:09:24 PM
I heading to de gym...but before I go.....

 :wavetowel: :wavetowel: :party: :party: :flamethrower: :wavetowel: :wavetowel: :party: :party:

I'll post more later but aaaaaaahhhh boy Camps, pressure does buss pipe!!
Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: trinikev on October 27, 2011, 03:09:40 PM
 :o :o :o
Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: Controversial on October 27, 2011, 03:09:47 PM
Camps resigns as President of TTFF
TTFF


While I have been extremely satisfied and pleased to offer myself for service to the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation, the current climate within FIFA has given me reason to rethink my position and thus give notice of my immediate resignation as the President of the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation.

I have truly enjoyed working with the football fraternity and appreciated the opportunities which have been given to me through football, but when the price one has to pay includes the sullying of ones name and the denigrating of ones character without a justifiable reason, then I must confess that this is not the place that I would want to be.

It is certainly a sad day for me and this is far from what I had expected. The changing of the guards was never meant to engender the bitterness that I feel or the pain which has replaced the pleasure of service.

I will take with me though, the good memories of having led my country into the 2006 World Cup Finals in Germany. I will never forget the opportunities I have had as host of two FIFA World Cup Finals in 2001 and 2010. I will always remember that under my watch, Trinidad and Tobago qualified for four World Cup finals and if success as a leader has to be measured in football, it is against this background that I will be judged.

I served the game well, even as Manager of many national teams, so while I leave football disappointed I am also happy, because history will judge me as the most successful Football President of Trinidad and Tobago.

In no way am I disappointed that I was a part of the Caribbean Football Union meeting which met to determine the path to choose a leader for the FIFA. The current situation facing the CFU now has made it very clear to me that our choice in meeting to discuss whether President Sepp Blatter would be the preferred option was the right one.

History will not judge me for being a part of that meeting neither will it condemn me based on association.  Rather history will applaud all the football leaders of the Caribbean.
 
In conclusion, I want to thank Mr. Jack Warner for his support over the years. In him I see a true leader, a true champion, a Caribbean man, one who was prepared to do whatever was required to keep the Caribbean flag flying with dignity and pride. To the very end, my friend and I remain committed to his inspired leadership and loyal to friendship.

I thereby submit with immediate effect my resignation as President of the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation.

Respectfully submitted

Yours sincerely,
TRINIDAD AND TOBAGO FOOTBALL FEDERATION


Oliver Camps
President


bon voyage and good riddance

time for more capable people to assume power of our football and finally take it forward, figure heads don't work out in the long run when they have no business acumen
Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: ZANDOLIE on October 27, 2011, 03:12:14 PM
goodbye and good riddance. i guess fifa was going to ketch him in a lie.

and have the gumption to big himself up. if carriacou has a $200,000,000 budget they woulda make 10 world cups.
Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: E-man on October 27, 2011, 03:13:33 PM
Seems he didn't want to face his FIFA investigation anymore than Jack did. Now he can also be innocent without the chance to prove him guilty.
Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on October 27, 2011, 03:14:47 PM
clown.. enjoy your twilight years

hopefully no more puppets and an actual Football brain can come into it

If the TTFF smart they go appoint Shaka in some major capacity
Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: FF on October 27, 2011, 03:17:51 PM
 :bs: and Good Riddance!!

What a piece of work! It woulda be better if he had simply say thanks for the opportunity to serve and move on.

and p.s. you have been sullying your name and denigrating your character for years

Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: Controversial on October 27, 2011, 03:19:12 PM
clown.. enjoy your twilight years

hopefully no more puppets and an actual Football brain can come into it

If the TTFF smart they go appoint Shaka in some major capacity

and what shaka will do when he realize he don't own the intl media rights for tt football and he have to beg an outsider to share part of the revenue?

we need a new federation, now is the time to start it and get approved by cfu and eventually fifa, forget the ttff, they have sold us out

time to move on to something fresh where old baggage won't keep us back

another thing to, shaka need to get his house in order with fpatt first, i am not convinced he is the right man to run our football
Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: asylumseeker on October 27, 2011, 03:24:53 PM
Bloodless palace coup.

Sign me up to join the ranks once all the detritus has been cleared.
Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: elan on October 27, 2011, 03:30:20 PM
clown.. enjoy your twilight years

hopefully no more puppets and an actual Football brain can come into it

If the TTFF smart they go appoint Shaka in some major capacity

and what shaka will do when he realize he don't own the intl media rights for tt football and he have to beg an outsider to share part of the revenue?

we need a new federation, now is the time to start it and get approved by cfu and eventually fifa, forget the ttff, they have sold us out

time to move on to something fresh where old baggage won't keep us back

another thing to, shaka need to get his house in order with fpatt first, i am not convinced he is the right man to run our football

And who do you have in mind that can get the tvRights  ::) which will make all things right with we football.
Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: Jumbie on October 27, 2011, 03:34:26 PM
not sure why all the jubilation. whoever gets the appointment will be bashed here in the same manner, especially since we lack true leaders... who in it for the betterment of all rather than one. wait and see.

lets see if shaka and/or lasana will step up to the plate.



Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: ZANDOLIE on October 27, 2011, 03:34:36 PM

we need a new federation, now is the time to start it and get approved by cfu and eventually fifa, forget the ttff, they have sold us out

time to move on to something fresh where old baggage won't keep us back

another thing to, shaka need to get his house in order with fpatt first, i am not convinced he is the right man to run our football

i don't agree with you about shaka, but other than that you may be correct. the fallout will produce a power vaccum with  groups vying and fighting each other for power. the federation won't be purged of its personnel and organizational culture just by camps leaving. but a completely new federation needs money, so who will help bankroll such a venture? perhaps this is where the corporate sector can finally step in.

this whole mess has to be redone properly with the right structures in place to make sure no one man can ever hold the game hostage again or use the federation as their personal bank account
Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: D.H.W on October 27, 2011, 03:58:33 PM
 :devil: :devil:
Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: elan on October 27, 2011, 04:01:59 PM
Bloodless palace coup.

Sign me up to join the ranks once all the detritus has been cleared.

When you get through, don't forget me.
Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: trini_stallion on October 27, 2011, 04:11:06 PM
no more scamping....cheeers to that :beermug:
Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: Controversial on October 27, 2011, 04:11:52 PM

we need a new federation, now is the time to start it and get approved by cfu and eventually fifa, forget the ttff, they have sold us out

time to move on to something fresh where old baggage won't keep us back

another thing to, shaka need to get his house in order with fpatt first, i am not convinced he is the right man to run our football

i don't agree with you about shaka, but other than that you may be correct. the fallout will produce a power vaccum with  groups vying and fighting each other for power. the federation won't be purged of its personnel and organizational culture just by camps leaving. but a completely new federation needs money, so who will help bankroll such a venture? perhaps this is where the corporate sector can finally step in.

this whole mess has to be redone properly with the right structures in place to make sure no one man can ever hold the game hostage again or use the federation as their personal bank account

with a nation like trinidad, we have no choice but to have the new fed rest with a few people, because there are too many crabs and back stabbers back home to trust

we need a few good men to run the show that have the business acumen and know football and have the connections

shaka needs to get fpatt together because he needs the collective strength of the players to combat against unscrupulous agents, owners and the ttff, if shaka can't unite our players, what makes you think he can unite our football?

he is not the man, when he can run a proper player's union, then talk to me about shaka

right now we need someone who has both the business acumen, knowledge of football, the love for our nation and connections, it is not wise to appoint the head of fpatt as the prez of the new fed

we also need an individual who can get investors and sponsors on board

trust me there is individuals but only when the time is right will they come out of the shadows
Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: Controversial on October 27, 2011, 04:14:17 PM
clown.. enjoy your twilight years

hopefully no more puppets and an actual Football brain can come into it

If the TTFF smart they go appoint Shaka in some major capacity

and what shaka will do when he realize he don't own the intl media rights for tt football and he have to beg an outsider to share part of the revenue?

we need a new federation, now is the time to start it and get approved by cfu and eventually fifa, forget the ttff, they have sold us out

time to move on to something fresh where old baggage won't keep us back

another thing to, shaka need to get his house in order with fpatt first, i am not convinced he is the right man to run our football

And who do you have in mind that can get the tvRights  ::) which will make all things right with we football.

definitely not shaka because he couldn't unite the players, what makes you think he can unite our football?

we need a businessman with the knowledge of football and also real love for his country, we don't need sell outs
Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: elan on October 27, 2011, 04:16:14 PM

we need a new federation, now is the time to start it and get approved by cfu and eventually fifa, forget the ttff, they have sold us out

time to move on to something fresh where old baggage won't keep us back

another thing to, shaka need to get his house in order with fpatt first, i am not convinced he is the right man to run our football

i don't agree with you about shaka, but other than that you may be correct. the fallout will produce a power vaccum with  groups vying and fighting each other for power. the federation won't be purged of its personnel and organizational culture just by camps leaving. but a completely new federation needs money, so who will help bankroll such a venture? perhaps this is where the corporate sector can finally step in.

this whole mess has to be redone properly with the right structures in place to make sure no one man can ever hold the game hostage again or use the federation as their personal bank account

with a nation like trinidad, we have no choice but to have the new fed rest with a few people, because there are too many crabs and back stabbers back home to trust

we need a few good men to run the show that have the business acumen and know football and have the connections

shaka needs to get fpatt together because he needs the collective strength of the players to combat against unscrupulous agents, owners and the ttff, if shaka can't unite our players, what makes you think he can unite our football?

he is not the man, when he can run a proper player's union, then talk to me about shaka

right now we need someone who has both the business acumen, knowledge of football, the love for our nation and connections, it is not wise to appoint the head of fpatt as the prez of the new fed

we also need an individual who can get investors and sponsors on board

trust me there is individuals but only when the time is right will they come out of the shadows

Why was Shaka not able to unite the players? Is it not because of the players themselves, and even more so with Camps and JW blocking the way.

With a person like Shaka in "charge" would he not be able to clear the way to allow players to freely engage in a group like FPATT with out fear of victimization?

I really can't follow what you trying to get at. As yuh at it, what's with all the negative to people back home running the federation?Who you know will be willing to relocate to "volunteer" for the position?
Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: Tenorsaw on October 27, 2011, 04:30:39 PM
Yep, Shaka Hislop would potentially be a good candidate.  Tricky part now:  he is involved in litigation that would put him on either side of the fence.  Conflict of interest, unless a settlement is reached speedily.
Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: ZANDOLIE on October 27, 2011, 04:33:23 PM
Controversial I'm not following here. Shaka helped form a player's union. He outlined all the benefits and I assume attempted to hold meetings with players as such. If they were too foolish to take him on then how does that disqualify him form being a viable candidate if he so chooses? Since when do union bosses make good CEOs?

Was Shaka not part of the players contingent that beat Jack and Capms in court? Does that count for anything? Not endorsing, nor do I know him or if he has any plans where that is concerned....BUT unless you're familiar with his business skills, you seem to be dismissing the man based on some arbitrary rule you made up in your head that because fpatt is not off the ground Shaka is unsuited to be football leadership. Are you a hiring specialist or a human resources manager that you know precisely what his strengths and weaknesses are and how they can be best utilized to move football forward?
Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: Jumbie on October 27, 2011, 05:19:24 PM
I highly doubt that shaka would be interested in leaving his nice wuk at ESPN.
Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: Brownsugar on October 27, 2011, 05:42:14 PM
Laaawwwdd ah still cyar believe it.  I need to take a moment to fully take this in........*taking moment*



Ok moment over.....now ah tempted to post something eh cuz ah know Big Mag is not able to readily available to post but I wont steal his thunder, he must have waited years for this moment so I will leave it up to him.....hurry up Big Mag ah goh dead waiting on your post..... ;D ;D

As for what happens now, I eh have the patience to read all them posts that went before especially since it involved TI.  I find all yuh have real patience on this forum yes not me....

All I would say is Camps is not the ONLY person that needs to go at the TTFF, THEY ALL NEED TO GO.....

RODENT, WATSON (whom Weary and I had the displeasure to meet in the stadium the other day but dais another story), FERGUSON and which ever other faceless  and nameless person who has been Jack's puppet for years.  THEY ALL NEED TO THROW THEIR COLLECTIVE FRAMES!!

Now to deal with the actual press release.

Camps real good yuh know.  Ah guess it woulda look bad if he didn't hail out Jack but Jack is the same one who leave him with the stink bag of mess to hold in the court case debacle but like ah say it woulda look bad I guess.

Then the man have the gall to mention the 2006 World Cup in he press release.  Look Camps, I resign with immediate effect woulda be enough.  But say what you gone and dais a good start......

One by one the dominoes will fall......FIFA cleaning up all remnants of Jack boy wheeeyyyy....look ting!!

2011 was/is indeed an interesting year in T&T football......
Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: Brownsugar on October 27, 2011, 05:42:32 PM
I highly doubt that shaka would be interested in leaving his nice wuk at ESPN.

Tell dem nah.....
Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: D.H.W on October 27, 2011, 06:02:12 PM
Bye Bye (" It speaks :P ")

http://www.youtube.com/v/X50WyZeYcJ8

Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: kounty on October 27, 2011, 06:02:32 PM
YES!
Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: banton on October 27, 2011, 06:11:38 PM
went to the temple yesterday and prayed and i aint even hindu but my prays were answered
Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: Deeks on October 27, 2011, 06:12:06 PM
i]definitely not shaka because he couldn't unite the players, what makes you think he can unite our football?

we need a businessman with the knowledge of football and also real love for his country, we don't need sell outs
[/i]


Why not Shaka? Not because he could not convince the players to stay the course. But the case still pending. Like I said before a players associationis hardly going to beeffective in TT football as long as there are government teams in our league. These guys cannot take strike as they are being paid by the government.

Businessman with a knowledge of football. Last time we had one he took us to the cleaners. We need a person who can convince business people to invest in football. Can he be a business man. Yes, off course. But he does not HAVE to be one.
Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: Deeks on October 27, 2011, 06:14:09 PM
Bye Bye (" It speaks :P ")

http://www.youtube.com/v/X50WyZeYcJ8



It kind of anti-cllimax to me. Thanks for your services over the years.
Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: tempo on October 27, 2011, 06:18:23 PM
One man has been allowed to stifle all of the potential leaders in the game for decades as well as any sense of professionalism. Now that JW is gone from the scene, the leadership vacuum that will occur may pit all of the potential future leaders against each other and, unfortunately, advance policies in order to cultivate and preserve alliances rather than to advance the best interests of the game. Tough times ahead I'm afraid unless forces join together and recognize the common purpose without one person being concerned about getting the credit or having control. 
Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: Bourbon on October 27, 2011, 06:19:03 PM
Ollie....thanks for serving throughout the years.

You shall be rewarded as you deserve.




So...arhmm......what now?

Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: Brownsugar on October 27, 2011, 06:26:14 PM
Yeah Bourbon, is it that one of these other clowns just take over in the interim??  Well its been so long since we had a REEEAAALLLL election for President, when is that going to happen.  We done have the EFA fighting up, the North Region about to get their election under way.....so I guess they can't factor into any election if it were to be called soon.....hhhhmmm....wow!!

*taking another moment*.....
Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: najee on October 27, 2011, 06:46:54 PM
Is this a joke....i can't believe it
Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: College on October 27, 2011, 07:20:42 PM
Good luck Camps, but doh mamaguile we with that 'lead T&T to WC' bullshit, when everytime you were asked a tough question, yuh cyah answer or didnt know anything about it or had to defer to Jack. You didnt lead anything, you were just a figure head, along for the ride, Jack used you, you are a shameless yes man and Jack left you holding the bag!
Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: Babalawo on October 27, 2011, 07:36:35 PM
THERE IS A GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: dreamer on October 27, 2011, 07:55:31 PM
Overcome by a rush of emotions:

1. Landmark day has truly come, after days upon days of energy have been spent trying to raise awareness of the toxic danger of Scamps.
2. A truly repulsive, evil man has been taken out. I wish him nothing good. May he rot in prison some day like Madoff.
3. Congrats to socawarriors.net. I think this blog played a useful role.
4. Celebrate we must. Just like the junior warriors started believng after they drew with mexico, so too must fans believe that their efforts count in removing longstanding exploiting oppressors.
5. Must reflect on those characters who were always pouring cold water on the effort to remove Scampito, Jackulit and rodent. Very very sobering.
6. As the sweetness of this sinks in, leh we not get too confused though. Watch de left flank for Rodent to make he move and start nibbling towards the cheese at the top and watch de right flank for other bamcee lickers of Jackulito to make dey move. Dah brown envelope world is real hard to resist. De morney sweeeeeet!

Good riddance to you Scampito. Yuh damn nastiness.  :puking: :pissedoff: :flamethrower:

Next on de agenda: Rodent and court case with Jackulito as defendant.
:salute:
Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: sub1 on October 27, 2011, 08:16:34 PM
not sure why all the jubilation. whoever gets the appointment will be bashed here in the same manner, especially since we lack true leaders... who in it for the betterment of all rather than one. wait and see.

lets see if shaka and/or lasana will step up to the plate.




The jubilation is for the off-loading of dead weight. I will repeat what I wrote when this whole thing started. THANK YOU CHUCK BLAZER!!! In one fell swoop two very wicked men have been dispatched without a peep. And also as i said earlier. If we dont qualify tough. but if we do it would be an indictment on JW and his awful administration of our football all these years. Give Look Loy the presidency. Look (pun intended) at the coach he chose.
Oh btw Jack wrote that letter for Ollie.the style is too similar plus ollie aint smart enuff to pen such a letter.
Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: president on October 27, 2011, 08:38:48 PM
I said weeks ago there is a plot by hard line TTFF elements to stage a coup. The removal (resignation) of Camps is one element of this plot. This afternoon an emergency meeting of the TTFF executive committee replaced Camps with Watson - yes, THE SAME WATSON who is leading the hijack of the EFA from the clubs. The replacement of Groden as general secretary is the other element. My advice is that this is also in the works. The hard liners are daily being more threatened by their imploding world and they are becoming increasingly desperate. More nonsense to come...
Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: kaiser on October 27, 2011, 08:45:16 PM
once cormeal and them still they i not impressed, ah glad to see the back of camps but ah worried about we football totally in the hands of the vindictive and nepotistic cornmeals ,so in the mean time ah staying tuned ,hopefully they all fall like the tune say one by one.
Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: elan on October 27, 2011, 08:45:44 PM
I said weeks ago there is a plot by hard line TTFF elements to stage a coup. The removal (resignation) of Camps is one element of this plot. This afternoon an emergency meeting of the TTFF executive committee replaced Camps with Watson - yes, THE SAME WATSON who is leading the hijack of the EFA from the clubs. The replacement of Groden as general secretary is the other element. My advice is that this is also in the works. The hard liners are daily being more threatened by their imploding world and they are becoming increasingly desperate. More nonsense to come...

Watson is a very wicked man. If alyuh feel JW and Camps was hateful, let Watson get he claws in there.
Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: Socapro on October 27, 2011, 08:49:19 PM
Laaawwwdd ah still cyar believe it.  I need to take a moment to fully take this in........*taking moment*



Ok moment over.....now ah tempted to post something eh cuz ah know Big Mag is not able to readily available to post but I wont steal his thunder, he must have waited years for this moment so I will leave it up to him.....hurry up Big Mag ah goh dead waiting on your post..... ;D ;D

As for what happens now, I eh have the patience to read all them posts that went before especially since it involved TI.  I find all yuh have real patience on this forum yes not me....

All I would say is Camps is not the ONLY person that needs to go at the TTFF, THEY ALL NEED TO GO.....

RODENT, WATSON (whom Weary and I had the displeasure to meet in the stadium the other day but dais another story), FERGUSON and which ever other faceless  and nameless person who has been Jack's puppet for years.  THEY ALL NEED TO THROW THEIR COLLECTIVE FRAMES!!

Now to deal with the actual press release.

Camps real good yuh know.  Ah guess it woulda look bad if he didn't hail out Jack but Jack is the same one who leave him with the stink bag of mess to hold in the court case debacle but like ah say it woulda look bad I guess.

Then the man have the gall to mention the 2006 World Cup in he press release.  Look Camps, I resign with immediate effect woulda be enough.  But say what you gone and dais a good start......

One by one the dominoes will fall......FIFA cleaning up all remnants of Jack boy wheeeyyyy....look ting!!

2011 was/is indeed an interesting year in T&T football......

As corrupt as FIFA has been in the past, I am starting to warm to them now if they are really responsible for this 2nd dumbino called Camps falling!!
We still have more dumbinos to go!! I just hope Sepp and his people reading this site for pointers!!  ;)
Next time Sepp comes to England even though he is hated here, given the chance I will be the first to offer to buy him a drink!!  :beermug:
Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: Socapro on October 27, 2011, 09:03:33 PM
went to the temple yesterday and prayed and i aint even hindu but my prays were answered

 :rotfl:
Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: weary1969 on October 27, 2011, 09:48:01 PM
I cold in Denver but Brown text warm meh up I eh go lie but ah back 2 minus tempretaures when I read is Watson take ovah.
Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: judge101 on October 27, 2011, 10:00:58 PM
 ;D ;D ;D :D ;) :) :loser: :applause: :applause: :chilling: :chilling: :party: :party: :party: :wavetowel: :wavetowel: :wavetowel: :wavetowel: :violin: :violin: :violin: :salute: :salute: :salute: :salute: :joker:yeeeessss who taught it will be in our lifetime now let usher inhopefully a new era in t&t football
Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: Preacher on October 27, 2011, 10:11:19 PM
In our lifetime.   
Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: Socapro on October 27, 2011, 10:33:33 PM
I cold in Denver but Brown text warm meh up I eh go lie but ah back 2 minus tempretaures when I read is Watson take ovah.

If that's the case then we are no better off and there is no cause to celebrate!!
In fact I think we better band we belly as things could be going from bad to worst!!  :'(  :frustrated:
Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: just cool on October 27, 2011, 10:47:01 PM
I cold in Denver but Brown text warm meh up I eh go lie but ah back 2 minus tempretaures when I read is Watson take ovah.

If that's the case then we are no better off and there is no cause to celebrate!!
In fact I think we better band we belly as things could be going from bad to worst!!  :'(  :frustrated:
Right you are!!  this could be as bob marley said, "from the frying pan into the fire".
Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: Controversial on October 27, 2011, 11:41:52 PM

we need a new federation, now is the time to start it and get approved by cfu and eventually fifa, forget the ttff, they have sold us out

time to move on to something fresh where old baggage won't keep us back

another thing to, shaka need to get his house in order with fpatt first, i am not convinced he is the right man to run our football

i don't agree with you about shaka, but other than that you may be correct. the fallout will produce a power vaccum with  groups vying and fighting each other for power. the federation won't be purged of its personnel and organizational culture just by camps leaving. but a completely new federation needs money, so who will help bankroll such a venture? perhaps this is where the corporate sector can finally step in.

this whole mess has to be redone properly with the right structures in place to make sure no one man can ever hold the game hostage again or use the federation as their personal bank account
Controversial I'm not following here. Shaka helped form a player's union. He outlined all the benefits and I assume attempted to hold meetings with players as such. If they were too foolish to take him on then how does that disqualify him form being a viable candidate if he so chooses? Since when do union bosses make good CEOs?

Was Shaka not part of the players contingent that beat Jack and Capms in court? Does that count for anything? Not endorsing, nor do I know him or if he has any plans where that is concerned....BUT unless you're familiar with his business skills, you seem to be dismissing the man based on some arbitrary rule you made up in your head that because fpatt is not off the ground Shaka is unsuited to be football leadership. Are you a hiring specialist or a human resources manager that you know precisely what his strengths and weaknesses are and how they can be best utilized to move football forward?

no one said union bosses make good leaders, the reason i brought up that point was to show that shaka has not been successful in the past with uniting the players, being head of fpatt and embroiled in the lawsuit, he should not be the fed president because his leadership is still questionable.

i am happy for his success in court but that has nothing to do with leadership and business acumen and having the ability to strategize, some of the best presidents are not even football players, like at the us fed and their president.

im not in hr but have friends who are top execs in HR for multinationals who i have had many discussions with on this very topic of leadership and what it takes, shaka needs to concentrate on getting fpatt up and running before he runs for president.

like jumbie says, he ain't leaving his espn job for a new fed and putting a plan together to raise capital and sponsors.
Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: Controversial on October 27, 2011, 11:43:52 PM
I said weeks ago there is a plot by hard line TTFF elements to stage a coup. The removal (resignation) of Camps is one element of this plot. This afternoon an emergency meeting of the TTFF executive committee replaced Camps with Watson - yes, THE SAME WATSON who is leading the hijack of the EFA from the clubs. The replacement of Groden as general secretary is the other element. My advice is that this is also in the works. The hard liners are daily being more threatened by their imploding world and they are becoming increasingly desperate. More nonsense to come...

well well well

even more reason to start a new fed, these men have to be forced on the back foot, there is no other choice but to back them in a corner
Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: Controversial on October 27, 2011, 11:50:04 PM

we need a new federation, now is the time to start it and get approved by cfu and eventually fifa, forget the ttff, they have sold us out

time to move on to something fresh where old baggage won't keep us back

another thing to, shaka need to get his house in order with fpatt first, i am not convinced he is the right man to run our football

i don't agree with you about shaka, but other than that you may be correct. the fallout will produce a power vaccum with  groups vying and fighting each other for power. the federation won't be purged of its personnel and organizational culture just by camps leaving. but a completely new federation needs money, so who will help bankroll such a venture? perhaps this is where the corporate sector can finally step in.

this whole mess has to be redone properly with the right structures in place to make sure no one man can ever hold the game hostage again or use the federation as their personal bank account

with a nation like trinidad, we have no choice but to have the new fed rest with a few people, because there are too many crabs and back stabbers back home to trust

we need a few good men to run the show that have the business acumen and know football and have the connections

shaka needs to get fpatt together because he needs the collective strength of the players to combat against unscrupulous agents, owners and the ttff, if shaka can't unite our players, what makes you think he can unite our football?

he is not the man, when he can run a proper player's union, then talk to me about shaka

right now we need someone who has both the business acumen, knowledge of football, the love for our nation and connections, it is not wise to appoint the head of fpatt as the prez of the new fed

we also need an individual who can get investors and sponsors on board

trust me there is individuals but only when the time is right will they come out of the shadows

Why was Shaka not able to unite the players? Is it not because of the players themselves, and even more so with Camps and JW blocking the way.

With a person like Shaka in "charge" would he not be able to clear the way to allow players to freely engage in a group like FPATT with out fear of victimization?

I really can't follow what you trying to get at. As yuh at it, what's with all the negative to people back home running the federation?Who you know will be willing to relocate to "volunteer" for the position?

how can you blame the players fully?

the players were between a rock and hard place, i know because i had the inside on what was going on directly from some of the players myself

was shaka and the rest of the wc players going to support the locals and give them caps and feed their families when the ttff boycotted them as well? if shaka and them were smart they would have negotiated a much better deal with the locals, where the locals would be a part of the union and slowly put the pressure on the ttff, without full withdrawal right away.

one reason why shaka is not the right man for the job of prez. btw this job is not a volunteer position, an intelligent business mind would know that right away, and what makes you think shaka will give up espn to go home?
Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: warmonga on October 28, 2011, 12:03:31 AM
I think the SOE Have all di criminals elements  under serious stress of lately!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;D
The scamp is finaly gone hope this is good fi we football!!!!!!!!!!!!!

war
Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: Bakes on October 28, 2011, 12:09:18 AM
Camps resigns as President of TTFF
TTFF


It is certainly a sad day for me and this is far from what I had expected. The changing of the guards was never meant to engender the bitterness that I feel or the pain which has replaced the pleasure of service.

Clown to the end...  whatever "bitterness" you feeling pales in comparison to the bitterness engendered among true fans of the game locally, by you and the TTFF cabal's failure to execute a more timely "changing of the guards".  Get on yuh horse and ride tuh f**k out.
Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: Bakes on October 28, 2011, 12:11:17 AM

And who do you have in mind that can get the tvRights  ::) which will make all things right with we football.

Do us all a favor and please don't encourage this fool to spoil yet another thread with his self-congratulatory empty posturing.
Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: Controversial on October 28, 2011, 12:17:23 AM

And who do you have in mind that can get the tvRights  ::) which will make all things right with we football.

Do us all a favor and please don't encourage this fool to spoil yet another thread with his self-congratulatory empty posturing.

its funny because i never see you adding anything to threads but empty critiques and innuendo the length of medical encyclopedias  :D

btw half baked im still awaiting your cure for insomnia ::)

Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: Bakes on October 28, 2011, 12:20:01 AM

And who do you have in mind that can get the tvRights  ::) which will make all things right with we football.

Do us all a favor and please don't encourage this fool to spoil yet another thread with his self-congratulatory empty posturing.

its funny because i never see you adding anything to threads but empty critiques and innuendo the length of medical encyclopedias  :D

btw half baked im still awaiting your cure for insomnia ::)



You are a bigger dunce than even you yourself realize.
Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: Controversial on October 28, 2011, 12:22:39 AM

And who do you have in mind that can get the tvRights  ::) which will make all things right with we football.

Do us all a favor and please don't encourage this fool to spoil yet another thread with his self-congratulatory empty posturing.

its funny because i never see you adding anything to threads but empty critiques and innuendo the length of medical encyclopedias  :D

btw half baked im still awaiting your cure for insomnia ::)



You are a bigger dunce than even you yourself realize.

alter ego coming out again? asylumseeker and myself were awaiting your solution on another thread but its been over a decade and no solution and response.

when you actually contribute something substantial and have solutions, will most likely be the day hell freezes over....
Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: royal on October 28, 2011, 02:45:31 AM
Will really like to see the constitution,how could Watson take over so? dey don't have to have some general council meeting where de clubs or zones have a say?
Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: Trinitozbone on October 28, 2011, 05:06:10 AM
I hope what President said is not true ! Watson as President ?? No way! I don't know what the Constitution says , but nominations should be submitted and clubs must decide on the next President! We are in real tat a if there is selection by this cabal and not election! Somebody please put a hand! FIFA should have some rules governing this! It seems they might have to suspend TTFF until they put their house in order!
Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: president on October 28, 2011, 05:24:11 AM
God help us but it is true - Watson is it - but the latest intelligence says that he is running scared because he doesn't want to be associated with the Soca Warriors court case. The TTFF is imploding and hopefully Marlon Morris and his people will win the Northern FA election that will take place on Monday 31st. BTW, my information is that Clint Marcelle has joined with the incumbent NFA president Roland Forde after he lambasted the outgoing administration for having done nothing for years. Politics...
Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: sub1 on October 28, 2011, 05:36:20 AM
God help us but it is true - Watson is it - but the latest intelligence says that he is running scared because he doesn't want to be associated with the Soca Warriors court case. The TTFF is imploding and hopefully Marlon Morris and his people will win the Northern FA election that will take place on Monday 31st. BTW, my information is that Clint Marcelle has joined with the incumbent NFA president Roland Forde after he lambasted the outgoing administration for having done nothing for years. Politics...
President could you enlighten me abourt this Watson chap. Is he by chance the baggage handler at piarco? Jack's Driver turn administrator?
Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: president on October 28, 2011, 05:43:46 AM
You refer to Johnson - Warner's personal attendant for many moons. Watson is a former prison officer. he sees the world from that perspective and believes we are all his prisoners. He is anti-democratic, arrogant and abusive. The Eastern FA has entered into terminal decline, and unless the clubs (MOVE) that are fighting for a democratic election in the east win their struggle some may very join the exodus from the EFA into the Arima League and the Eddie Hart League. Watson as TTFF president would be an unmitigated disaster. if you think things bad now, just wait...
Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: sub1 on October 28, 2011, 06:17:35 AM
You refer to Johnson - Warner's personal attendant for many moons. Watson is a former prison officer. he sees the world from that perspective and believes we are all his prisoners. He is anti-democratic, arrogant and abusive. The Eastern FA has entered into terminal decline, and unless the clubs (MOVE) that are fighting for a democratic election in the east win their struggle some may very join the exodus from the EFA into the Arima League and the Eddie Hart League. Watson as TTFF president would be an unmitigated disaster. if you think things bad now, just wait...
thanks for clearing that up for me. Couldn't the EFA write Chuck Blazer for some more help? But seriously though why not speak with Look Loy and ask him to bring Deryck Murray on board with him. Yes Deryck Murray! This guy has shown his administrative ability while running the TTCB and brought T&T cricket out of the doldrums into a powerhouse in WI cricket. But sadly cricket is going the way of a JW-led admistration now. An utter incompetent is handling our cricket and its in somewhat of a decline right now. Deryck was also a pretty good footballer in his day. We know he is an excellent admistrator.
Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: president on October 28, 2011, 07:19:08 AM
Actually, that is a good idea. Deryck was involved with the TTFF as a member of its technical committee many years ago. Look Loy was also on that committee so you never know. Let's see what the immediate future brings as the house of cards continues to crumble.
Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: weary1969 on October 28, 2011, 07:46:35 AM
God help us but it is true - Watson is it - but the latest intelligence says that he is running scared because he doesn't want to be associated with the Soca Warriors court case. The TTFF is imploding and hopefully Marlon Morris and his people will win the Northern FA election that will take place on Monday 31st. BTW, my information is that Clint Marcelle has joined with the incumbent NFA president Roland Forde after he lambasted the outgoing administration for having done nothing for years. Politics...
President could you enlighten me abourt this Watson chap. Is he by chance the baggage handler at piarco? Jack's Driver turn administrator?

He nearly had Brown and I thrown out of d HCS 4 posted d banners.
Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: Sam on October 28, 2011, 08:06:17 AM
Praises to the all mighty.

Now 4 more to go (Gorden, Watson, Shabaaz and Corneal)....
Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: Football supporter on October 28, 2011, 08:39:58 AM
Controversial, I'm not sure I understand what you mean by this: "if shaka and them were smart they would have negotiated a much better deal with the locals, where the locals would be a part of the union and slowly put the pressure on the ttff, without full withdrawal right away."

Withdrawal from what? As I understood it, local players were invited to join FPATT free of charge. There was no implication that they would have to withdraw from anything. As I recall, there were worries that TTFF may blacklist FPATT members, but, of course, that would have been directly in opposition to FIFA who want every Federation to support players unions.

The reason FPATT failed is simple. Players could not see the benefits of joining compared with the risk of upsetting Warner. They did not have the backbone to fight for themselves, and as such, continue (as Mr Pfister said) allow themselves to be treated like animals. I know a player who hasn't been paid by his club since March, yet ProLeague will not allow him to sign for another club as his contract has not been ended.

FPATT would have made ProLeague, clubs and TTFF more professional.   
Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: sub1 on October 28, 2011, 08:46:04 AM
You refer to Johnson - Warner's personal attendant for many moons. Watson is a former prison officer. he sees the world from that perspective and believes we are all his prisoners. He is anti-democratic, arrogant and abusive. The Eastern FA has entered into terminal decline, and unless the clubs (MOVE) that are fighting for a democratic election in the east win their struggle some may very join the exodus from the EFA into the Arima League and the Eddie Hart League. Watson as TTFF president would be an unmitigated disaster. if you think things bad now, just wait...
yes Deryck will bring alot of credibilty to the table. To some Look Loy may seem tainted having associated so long with the previous admin, but he did something unprecented in that admin. He resigned! That alone should give an indication that the man has some principles.
Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: jai john on October 28, 2011, 09:06:08 AM
haven't been on for awahile so if this has already been answered please forgive me ....Still reeling from my team's loss of confidence ( world's biggest small side ) .... So now that Camps has resigned is it that all investigation/ charges against him is recinded and the presumption of innocence in all football matters  is ensured ??
allyuh saying de man dunce ...but he just following the footsteps of his teacher who is none the worse for wear... will the police commissioner also drop any investigation into how  a large sum of US$ entered T&T undeclared ? ..and whether it was with the knowledge of the football jefe ?
 
question now is ...who is holding the bill ?? The soca warriors court award which is presently in the millions ? Can the TTFF bank account ..if there is one .... handle this debt / and others which we will surely hear of when judgement is pronounced ?  Surely we should answer that before we engage in any discussion about who should take over ? ...take over a moribund , debt ridden , morally bankrupt  organisation where both the special adviser and President have resigned under threat of investigation for corruption ?? Any takers now ?
Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: JDB on October 28, 2011, 09:12:50 AM
Camps resigns as President of TTFF
TTFF

In conclusion, I want to thank Mr. Jack Warner for his support over the years. In him I see a true leader, a true champion, a Caribbean man, one who was prepared to do whatever was required to keep the Caribbean flag flying with dignity and pride. To the very end, my friend and I remain committed to his inspired leadership and loyal to friendship.

Oliver Camps
President


One last coat of spit on Jack bamsee.
Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: president on October 28, 2011, 09:19:51 AM
"The presumption of innocence" applies to Camps. FIFA will not pursue the charges. The next president inherits a moribund organization, bankrupt is every sense but football cannot stop and there must be a national association to administer it. The resolution of the leadership issue does not reside is finding a saviour, however. Yes, someone must be at the helm, but "salvation" will only be found in the exercise of real football democracy from the ground up. That is, the clubs must reclaim the regional associations and, by extension, the Federation. Call me naive but I see no other way out of this mess.
Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: injunchile on October 28, 2011, 09:52:48 AM
The Vice President takes over when The President resigns until the next election- Whenever that is>
 So whoever is the VP is the man in charge. I hope Lookloy offers himself when election time comes around.
 Please no Maple Mafia,
Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: Football supporter on October 28, 2011, 10:17:27 AM
"The presumption of innocence" applies to Camps. FIFA will not pursue the charges. The next president inherits a moribund organization, bankrupt is every sense but football cannot stop and there must be a national association to administer it. The resolution of the leadership issue does not reside is finding a saviour, however. Yes, someone must be at the helm, but "salvation" will only be found in the exercise of real football democracy from the ground up. That is, the clubs must reclaim the regional associations and, by extension, the Federation. Call me naive but I see no other way out of this mess.

 :beermug:
Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: Football supporter on October 28, 2011, 10:18:57 AM
Camps resigns as President of TTFF
TTFF

In conclusion, I want to thank Mr. Jack Warner for his support over the years. In him I see a true leader, a true champion, a Caribbean man, one who was prepared to do whatever was required to keep the Caribbean flag flying with dignity and pride. To the very end, my friend and I remain committed to his inspired leadership and loyal to friendship.

Oliver Camps
President


One last coat of spit on Jack bamsee.

Yeah, and as a good friend, Camps blamed the whole players mess on Warner and his affidavit will now see Warner in court. Thank God I don't have friends like these two!!
Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: Football supporter on October 28, 2011, 10:30:43 AM
Ok, I nearly made a terrible error. I began thinking "50 years in football? The man must really love football, and despite some errors of judgement, he must really have football close to his heart"

Then I woke up and thought:

50 years in football doesn't mean you love or respect the game. Its just been a convenient paycheck. If he had loved this game, he would have left a legacy of youth development, a string of coaches with big potential, a loyal and supportive corporate sponsor base, a contribution to world football. He list his successes as qualifying for 2006, but excuse me, wasn't it the players who achieved this? You were just a passenger like the rest of us. Worse, you took money, while supporters paid money. The youth world cups were achieved by Warner and his chicanery and wheres Camps legacy from those? Crumbling stadiums in poor geographical locations and no youth development programme?
Sorry Ollie, your legacy is taking TTFF from a period of immense profile and massive income to a bankrupt laughing stock with no viable succesors. The words "sinking ship" and "rat" springs to mind.

Ollies love for football is like the man who says he loves his wife, while beating her behind closed doors and horning her at every opportunity, providing nothing for his children. Its the love of an abuser, a rapist, a self serving opportunist who should have been found out and removed years ago.

And like an abused woman, TTFF will search for what they're used to, another abuser to take his place. More of the same is preferable to change....at least you know the rules.
Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: elan on October 28, 2011, 10:42:30 AM
God help us but it is true - Watson is it - but the latest intelligence says that he is running scared because he doesn't want to be associated with the Soca Warriors court case. The TTFF is imploding and hopefully Marlon Morris and his people will win the Northern FA election that will take place on Monday 31st. BTW, my information is that Clint Marcelle has joined with the incumbent NFA president Roland Forde after he lambasted the outgoing administration for having done nothing for years. Politics...
President could you enlighten me abourt this Watson chap. Is he by chance the baggage handler at piarco? Jack's Driver turn administrator?

He nearly had Brown and I thrown out of d HCS 4 posted d banners.

Watson was Acting Commissioner of Prison when he retired (don't think he was ever confirmed into the position). The man evil, I eh asking eh, I telling. Weary, that is how he does treat women, no respect and very abusive.
Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: Sam on October 28, 2011, 10:46:44 AM
Camps licking ass because Jack eh done with he yet.
Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: Sam on October 28, 2011, 10:49:14 AM
He nearly had Brown and I thrown out of d HCS 4 posted d banners.

I woulda buss he f00cking head, I was waiting after de game right by de gate and is ah full fat bottle solo he collecting right on he temple....
Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: just cool on October 28, 2011, 10:50:19 AM
Allyuh rejoicing now eh, but we might weep later.

remember when they removed most of those middleeastern monarch fuh the present day "so called " progressive rulers like khadafi, sadam, nassr and his boys (mubarak included) alassad, and ahmadinajad, and the scenario was worsened. these fella who waiting tuh take over is woss than jack and camps put together, don't be fooled ppl.
Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: elan on October 28, 2011, 10:53:04 AM
The TTFF members is real arse wipe and they like shrimps.  Many of this mess easy to deal with if someone of sunstance come into the position. The tricky thing is getting the position.

Get the position and approach the Warriors, open up the books to them and settle quickly. Allow all the pressure to fall on JW, as a new President, will only be allowed to see the cooked books. Therefore, it will be up to Warner to provide accounting along with the LOC. Forensic edit.

While all this is going on, approach The FIFA pro actively, seeking info on how to put the mess with The FIFA behind them.

Approach the private sector consistently asking questions on how the federation can get them back on board with consistent support through-out the programs in various forms, finances, resources, etc. Don't assume to know.

Open up meetings to the public, publish financial records, etc.
Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: just cool on October 28, 2011, 10:56:37 AM
He nearly had Brown and I thrown out of d HCS 4 posted d banners.

I woulda buss he f00cking head, I was waiting after de game right by de gate and is ah full fat bottle solo he collecting right on he temple....
Sam , in case yuh don't know. dat man eh no fackin joke, he woulda drink yuh fackin blood right by dat gate, trust meh!

i met that man , and he's nothing tuh fack wid. it's like staring in the eyes of ah calm stone cold killer.
Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: Socapro on October 28, 2011, 11:43:11 AM
Ok, I nearly made a terrible error. I began thinking "50 years in football? The man must really love football, and despite some errors of judgement, he must really have football close to his heart"

Then I woke up and thought:

50 years in football doesn't mean you love or respect the game. Its just been a convenient paycheck. If he had loved this game, he would have left a legacy of youth development, a string of coaches with big potential, a loyal and supportive corporate sponsor base, a contribution to world football. He list his successes as qualifying for 2006, but excuse me, wasn't it the players who achieved this? You were just a passenger like the rest of us. Worse, you took money, while supporters paid money. The youth world cups were achieved by Warner and his chicanery and wheres Camps legacy from those? Crumbling stadiums in poor geographical locations and no youth development programme?
Sorry Ollie, your legacy is taking TTFF from a period of immense profile and massive income to a bankrupt laughing stock with no viable succesors. The words "sinking ship" and "rat" springs to mind.

Ollies love for football is like the man who says he loves his wife, while beating her behind closed doors and horning her at every opportunity, providing nothing for his children. Its the love of an abuser, a rapist, a self serving opportunist who should have been found out and removed years ago.

And like an abused woman, TTFF will search for what they're used to, another abuser to take his place. More of the same is preferable to change....at least you know the rules.
:beermug:
Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: Socapro on October 28, 2011, 11:48:04 AM
Allyuh rejoicing now eh, but we might weep later.

remember when they removed most of those middleeastern monarch fuh the present day "so called " progressive rulers like khadafi, sadam, nassr and his boys (mubarak included) alassad, and ahmadinajad, and the scenario was worsened. these fella who waiting tuh take over is woss than jack and camps put together, don't be fooled ppl.

Nobody here is being fooled Justcool!

President said it right (highlighted below), and this is the only way to stop a tyrant like Watson taking over!

"The presumption of innocence" applies to Camps. FIFA will not pursue the charges. The next president inherits a moribund organization, bankrupt is every sense but football cannot stop and there must be a national association to administer it. The resolution of the leadership issue does not reside in finding a saviour, however. Yes, someone must be at the helm, but "salvation" will only be found in the exercise of real football democracy from the ground up. That is, the clubs must reclaim the regional associations and, by extension, the Federation. Call me naive but I see no other way out of this mess.
Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: E-man on October 28, 2011, 11:51:09 AM
Controversial, I'm not sure I understand what you mean by this: "if shaka and them were smart they would have negotiated a much better deal with the locals, where the locals would be a part of the union and slowly put the pressure on the ttff, without full withdrawal right away."

Withdrawal from what? As I understood it, local players were invited to join FPATT free of charge. There was no implication that they would have to withdraw from anything. As I recall, there were worries that TTFF may blacklist FPATT members, but, of course, that would have been directly in opposition to FIFA who want every Federation to support players unions.

The reason FPATT failed is simple. Players could not see the benefits of joining compared with the risk of upsetting Warner. They did not have the backbone to fight for themselves, and as such, continue (as Mr Pfister said) allow themselves to be treated like animals. I know a player who hasn't been paid by his club since March, yet ProLeague will not allow him to sign for another club as his contract has not been ended.

FPATT would have made ProLeague, clubs and TTFF more professional.   

But I also wonder how much players were pressured not to join by their own unscrupulous agents who Pfister recently complained about.
Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: Socapro on October 28, 2011, 11:58:47 AM
The TTFF members is real arse wipe and they like shrimps.  Many of this mess easy to deal with if someone of sunstance come into the position. The tricky thing is getting the position.

Get the position and approach the Warriors, open up the books to them and settle quickly. Allow all the pressure to fall on JW, as a new President, will only be allowed to see the cooked books. Therefore, it will be up to Warner to provide accounting along with the LOC. Forensic edit.

While all this is going on, approach The FIFA pro actively, seeking info on how to put the mess with The FIFA behind them.

Approach the private sector consistently asking questions on how the federation can get them back on board with consistent support through-out the programs in various forms, finances, resources, etc. Don't assume to know.

Open up meetings to the public, publish financial records, etc.

Nice plan, will definitely work if executed with the right person in place but we all know that eh happening if a fella like Watson is allowed to take over!!

Who is currently the Vice President of the TTFF? I presume whoever that is will assume control until the TTFF has fresh elections?!  :thinking:
Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: Controversial on October 28, 2011, 12:15:48 PM
Controversial, I'm not sure I understand what you mean by this: "if shaka and them were smart they would have negotiated a much better deal with the locals, where the locals would be a part of the union and slowly put the pressure on the ttff, without full withdrawal right away."

Withdrawal from what? As I understood it, local players were invited to join FPATT free of charge. There was no implication that they would have to withdraw from anything. As I recall, there were worries that TTFF may blacklist FPATT members, but, of course, that would have been directly in opposition to FIFA who want every Federation to support players unions.

The reason FPATT failed is simple. Players could not see the benefits of joining compared with the risk of upsetting Warner. They did not have the backbone to fight for themselves, and as such, continue (as Mr Pfister said) allow themselves to be treated like animals. I know a player who hasn't been paid by his club since March, yet ProLeague will not allow him to sign for another club as his contract has not been ended.

FPATT would have made ProLeague, clubs and TTFF more professional.   

like i said, i spoke to a few of the players directly and they told me the situation, fpatt needs better organization and structure

they approached it in the wrong way, shaka was a part of the lawsuit and also head of fpatt, shaka should have made it clear to the media that the players joining the association are not in support of the lawsuit, so that the local players would not be victimized as well.

certain ways of approaching the issue could have been handled better and it wasn't, plain and simple, we are dealing with people's livelihood's here and they have families to feed, they don't have the luxury of the foreign based to live off of previous earnings that are in euro or pounds.

fpatt handled the situation poorly, more leadership and better strategy needs to be shown in the future to convince me.
Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: ZANDOLIE on October 28, 2011, 12:22:52 PM


Nice plan, will definitely work if executed with the right person in place but we all know that eh happening if a fella like Watson is allowed to take over!!

Who is currently the Vice President of the TTFF? I presume whoever that is will assume control until the TTFF has fresh elections?!  :thinking:

There were three. Lennox Watson was one of them.
Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: ZANDOLIE on October 28, 2011, 12:27:54 PM


like i said, i spoke to a few of the players directly and they told me the situation, fpatt needs better organization and structure

they approached it in the wrong way, shaka was a part of the lawsuit and also head of fpatt, shaka should have made it clear to the media that the players joining the association are not in support of the lawsuit, so that the local players would not be victimized as well.

certain ways of approaching the issue could have been handled better and it wasn't, plain and simple, we are dealing with people's livelihood's here and they have families to feed, they don't have the luxury of the foreign based to live off of previous earnings
that are in euro or pounds.

fpatt handled the situation poorly, more leadership and better strategy needs to be shown in the future to convince me.

in other words, they acted like cowards.

i think anthony wolfe initally joined, but then again he is a man that does stand up for himself
Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: Big Magician on October 28, 2011, 02:53:31 PM
A very SAD SAD day in TnT Football
Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: Bourbon on October 28, 2011, 03:06:40 PM


Nice plan, will definitely work if executed with the right person in place but we all know that eh happening if a fella like Watson is allowed to take over!!

Who is currently the Vice President of the TTFF? I presume whoever that is will assume control until the TTFF has fresh elections?!  :thinking:

There were three. Lennox Watson was one of them.

 :-\
Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: Spursy on October 28, 2011, 04:20:38 PM
I think Camps knew he had to resign or face the Courts in what could of been the biggest scandal in football. Camps as Jack wingman would have to choose facing fines and possible jail time for his involvement in the cases Fifa is current investigating. Exposing Warner and the TTFF books as well as answering questions in a long drawn out trial was the other option.. which honestly I would of preferred instead of him collecting a check for retirement every month..

Fact is Camps and Jack held out as long as they could and probably taken as much as they could as well. What can we thank him for is the question that comes to mind.. and .. I am still thinking. That said, hope TTFF get their act together and be honest to the jobs they have/ our football.
Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: Brownsugar on October 28, 2011, 05:42:45 PM
A very SAD SAD day in TnT Football

Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.......what happened to

IT RESIGNSSSSSSS!!!!
Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: 100% Barataria on October 28, 2011, 05:44:30 PM
A very SAD SAD day in TnT Football

Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.......what happened to

IT RESIGNSSSSSSS!!!!

 :rotfl:  ent
Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: pardners on October 28, 2011, 06:31:30 PM
Couple questions...

1) Ent Warner and Camps still named as proprietors for the business entity trading as the TTFF ?  Does that mean that they will still be able to call the shots...not necessarily from behind the scenes either.

2) In the court case the players were trying to have Warner named as a co-defendant in the litigation.  I expect the same held for Camps as well.  How will the resignation of both men affect the outcome of the case and the eventual pay out ?

I know we were fighting a battle to have these two removed from office.  I suppose half the battle won, but personally i dont see much changing in the TTFF even though these two men gone, unless of course there is significant change in the culture of the TTFF.
Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: Cocorite on October 28, 2011, 09:53:22 PM
A very SAD SAD day in TnT Football

Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.......what happened to

IT RESIGNSSSSSSS!!!!

 :rotfl:  ent

Yuh Know!!

Wais dah one dey Big Mag?
Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: Football supporter on October 29, 2011, 01:09:13 AM
Controversial : "they approached it in the wrong way, shaka was a part of the lawsuit and also head of fpatt, shaka should have made it clear to the media that the players joining the association are not in support of the lawsuit, so that the local players would not be victimized as well."

Let me understand this. TTFF broke their contract of employment and the players took legal action after mediation failed. TTFF produced false accounts. TTFF and Warner restricted the players trade by blacklisting them and publicly slandered them. But, FPATT should not have publicly supported the players? Are you mad, Contro? What union in the world would not use those actions as the very reason why a union is needed? If FPATT didn't support the action they would have appeared weak and toothless. From what I recall, FPATT consistently stated that they were not part of the lawsuit, but of course they supported the rights of workers to stand up to the wrongdoing of their employees.

I understand that by supporting the players, FPATT drew a line in the sand, but that was the point: no more abuse of players. The lawsuit should have been a catalyst that unified all players, a flag to rally around. Yet, even now, players still allow themselves to be "treated like animals" according to Pfister.
Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: Football supporter on October 29, 2011, 01:15:31 AM
Couple questions...

1) Ent Warner and Camps still named as proprietors for the business entity trading as the TTFF ?  Does that mean that they will still be able to call the shots...not necessarily from behind the scenes either.

2) In the court case the players were trying to have Warner named as a co-defendant in the litigation.  I expect the same held for Camps as well.  How will the resignation of both men affect the outcome of the case and the eventual pay out ?

I know we were fighting a battle to have these two removed from office.  I suppose half the battle won, but personally i dont see much changing in the TTFF even though these two men gone, unless of course there is significant change in the culture of the TTFF.

1) Good question. TTFF is a sole trader owned by Oliver Camps, if I recall correctly.
2) The court case has two defendents: TTFF and Oliver Camps. Warner will be added as a third. Resignation will not effect anything. If Camps and Warner are found to be responsible for missing funds, their assets could be seized. Also, future TTFF income could be ordered to be used to repay the players. TTFF could be operating without funds for years. Also, any in depth investigation could find others culpable.
Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: Socapro on October 29, 2011, 01:22:23 AM
Couple questions...

1) Ent Warner and Camps still named as proprietors for the business entity trading as the TTFF ?  Does that mean that they will still be able to call the shots...not necessarily from behind the scenes either.

2) In the court case the players were trying to have Warner named as a co-defendant in the litigation.  I expect the same held for Camps as well.  How will the resignation of both men affect the outcome of the case and the eventual pay out ?

I know we were fighting a battle to have these two removed from office.  I suppose half the battle won, but personally i dont see much changing in the TTFF even though these two men gone, unless of course there is significant change in the culture of the TTFF.

1) Good question. TTFF is a sole trader owned by Oliver Camps, if I recall correctly.
2) The court case has two defendents: TTFF and Oliver Camps. Warner will be added as a third. Resignation will not effect anything. If Camps and Warner are found to be responsible for missing funds, their assets could be seized. Also, future TTFF income could be ordered to be used to repay the players. TTFF could be operating without funds for years. Also, any in depth investigation could find others culpable.

Makes complete sense to me!  :beermug:
Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: Brownsugar on October 29, 2011, 07:28:56 AM
Well yes!!  this is what you call in your face, doh care, skin yuh bumsee, middle finger......this Warner man good yes.....

Jack commends Camps' resignation
By Joel Julien


On the advice of Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar, Attorney General Anand Ramlogan has held talks with Works and Infrastructure Minister Jack Warner about Warner's alleged participation in the delivery of "gifts" from former FIFA presidential hopeful Mohammed bin Hammam to Caribbean Football Union (CFU) officials.

Speaking yesterday at the ceremony to admit new attorneys to practice, Ramlogan said that the investigation into the matter was ongoing. He said that he did not wish to further comment on the matter until the report on the investigation is submitted to the Prime Minister.

At a CFU special meeting on May 10 and 11 at the Hyatt Regency in Port of Spain, bin Hammam allegedly offered bribes of US$40,000 each to 26 football officials from the region in exchange for votes.

Warner, who facilitated the meeting in May, subsequently resigned all his football positions after 28 years in FIFA's high command, after an investigation was launched into the bribery allegations.

Warner stepped down as FIFA vice-president and president of both the CFU and the Caribbean North & Central American (CONCACAF) regions when summoned to appear before FIFA's Ethics Committee. He was also the special adviser to the TTFF.

Persad-Bissessar referred the issue to Ramlogan after earlier this month after the release of the video by the Telegraph, to determine whether "there is anything to be concerned about".

The video is said to have been recorded on May 11, the day after bin Hammam is alleged to have made the bribe.  Asked for an update on the issue yesterday outside City Hall in Port of Spain, Warner said:

"The Attorney General and I have spoken but I do not think it is prudent for me to say what we discussed."   "I have to laugh at this country for true you know...in FIFA there is a thing that says if government interferes in football business in any country the country is suspended but here in Trinidad and Tobago the opposition here wants to interfere in FIFA business," Warner said.

"You cannot interfere with FIFA business in your country, people are laughing at us. I could understand some guys have a political agenda, I could understand that but do not make a fool of yourself and this is what is happening here at this moment," he said.

Opposition Leader Dr Keith Rowley has written to the Police Service Commission (PSC) raising concerns about Commissioner of Police Dwayne Gibbs's handling of the investigation into the FIFA bribery scandal.

In June, Rowley wrote Gibbs questioning a possible breach of the foreign exchange and other laws of this country by Warner.  Warner has also commended Oliver Camps "very highly" for his decision to tender his resignation as TTFF president on Thursday, one day after being named among ten Caribbean football officials facing an investigation into bribery allegations.

Camps did the "correct thing" by resigning as the president of the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (TTFF), Works and Infrastructure Minister Jack Warner said.

Following Warner's resignation, FIFA issues a statement declaring that all Ethics Committee procedures against Warner had been closed and "the presumption of innocence is maintained".

By resigning, Camps will likewise avoid an investigation into his role in the alleged bribes.

Questioned yesterday outside the City Hall, in Port of Spain about Camps's decision to resign, Warner said:

"I think that Camps did the correct thing and he has to be commended and Camps did what this country has failed to do. Camps understood where the real culprit in this whole thing is, at the level of FIFA in Zurich."

"And while there are guys here who want to play politics Mr Camps was more dignified in his approach and I commend him very highly for that and in the fullness of time everything shall of course be revealed. Mr Camps has to be commended," Warner said.

In his resignation letter Camps described Warner as a "true leader, a true champion, a Caribbean man who was prepared to do whatever was required to keep the Caribbean flag flying with dignity and pride".

"In no way am I disappointed that I was a part of the Caribbean Football Union meeting which met to determine the path to choose a leader for the FIFA. The current situation facing the CFU now has made it very clear to me that our choice in meeting to discuss whether Sepp Blatter would be the preferred option was the right one," Camps stated in his resignation letter.

Blatter is the president of FIFA.


http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/Jack_commends_Camps__resignation-132834423.html (http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/Jack_commends_Camps__resignation-132834423.html)
Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: Football supporter on October 29, 2011, 08:27:05 AM
"The Attorney General and I have spoken but I do not think it is prudent for me to say what we discussed."   "I have to laugh at this country for true you know...in FIFA there is a thing that says if government interferes in football business in any country the country is suspended but here in Trinidad and Tobago the opposition here wants to interfere in FIFA business," Warner said.

"You cannot interfere with FIFA business in your country, people are laughing at us. I could understand some guys have a political agenda, I could understand that but do not make a fool of yourself and this is what is happening here at this moment," he said.


So, now Warners playing the FIFA card? Well, whether or not crimes were committed, the govt of T&T has the sovereign right to investigate incidents that may have broken the laws of the land. That right trumps the FIFA card, as Warner well knows.
Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: Controversial on October 29, 2011, 11:03:49 AM
Controversial : "they approached it in the wrong way, shaka was a part of the lawsuit and also head of fpatt, shaka should have made it clear to the media that the players joining the association are not in support of the lawsuit, so that the local players would not be victimized as well."

Let me understand this. TTFF broke their contract of employment and the players took legal action after mediation failed. TTFF produced false accounts. TTFF and Warner restricted the players trade by blacklisting them and publicly slandered them. But, FPATT should not have publicly supported the players? Are you mad, Contro? What union in the world would not use those actions as the very reason why a union is needed? If FPATT didn't support the action they would have appeared weak and toothless. From what I recall, FPATT consistently stated that they were not part of the lawsuit, but of course they supported the rights of workers to stand up to the wrongdoing of their employees.

I understand that by supporting the players, FPATT drew a line in the sand, but that was the point: no more abuse of players. The lawsuit should have been a catalyst that unified all players, a flag to rally around. Yet, even now, players still allow themselves to be "treated like animals" according to Pfister.

where did i say fpatt should not have supported the players? you need to re-read my post before making false accusations.

i said shaka should have called a press conference and maybe even stepped out of the spotlight, allowing another head of fpatt to conduct the press conference. in that conference he should have stated that the local players (players who didn't play in WC) should have no fear in joining fpatt and will not be connected in any way to the lawsuit or support the lawsuit, by going public and leaving the local and some foreign based out of the lawsuit and making it public.

if the ttff started blacklisting those players who were not a part of the wc squad outright, then ttff could have been called out because fifa supports players being a part of the union. shaka and co needed to make that public and ttff aware that by the non wc players joining the union they are doing it out of individual representation and not in support of the lawsuit.

that way it would have put added pressure on the ttff, because it has been made public and the ttff cannot blacklist further players because it would have backfired on the ttff if they started doing the same to the non wc players. like i said, fpatt could have handled the situation better  imo
Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: King Deese on October 29, 2011, 11:37:16 AM
Very famous and prophetic words Jackarse "And in the fullness of time everything shall be revealed".

History will remember that in March 2008 players are paid with CONCACF cheques drawn from a Florida account. To this very day you and your "friend till the end still cannot explain why CONCACAF was meeting TTFF's financial obligation and whether World Cup money ended up in CONCACAF's coffers.

Under your watch, history will remember that on February 16th, 2006 your "friend till the end" becomes the first RECORDED violator of FIFA's  ethics. Did you refer to this chump as your leader? Yeah you did.

Not to mention the biggest one of all. Under your watch, history will remember that in 2011, your "friend till the end" got. busted trying to bribe people with the brown envelopes full of cash money and that you were in on it because you got paid by Jackarse to keep your mouth shut. Jackarse, as it turns out had been doing this for years which would explain how you and the other imps in the TTFF managed to win reelections uncontested year after year.

Under your watch Camps, history will remember that you changed the TTFA to the TTFF just so you could weasel your way out of the contract with the Strike Squad.

History will remember that on August 28th, 2009 you attempted to repeal the 1982 Act, which incorporated the TTFA by an act of Parliament in another lame attempt to weasel your way out of paying the Soca Warriors.

Under your watch, history will remember that on June 12th, 2006, your "friend till the end" opened his mouth and wrote a check that his ass could not cash.

Under your watch Campolito, history will remember that on January 9th, 2006 your "friend till the end" claims that FIFA payout for qualifying for the World Cup of $38 million is subject to $8 million withholding tax by the German authorities and another $2 million in insurance deductions. That was another boldface LIE. In fact, 3 weeks later, FIFA reiterated that the TTFF will receive $43 million and not $38 million and that both FIFA and the German Organizing Committee both deny that the money is subject to tax. No apologies will ever be accepted.

History will remember that under your watch on September 14th, 2007 the TTFF claimed it had made $18 million. That was a boldfaced LIE. TT Government revealed in fact the TTFF made approximately $174 million from the public and private sector alone. That figure does not include money made from World Cup qualifying, broadcast rights, television revenues and 5 international friendlies. When questioned about it your lawyer, Omey, stated "TTFF were strangers to this document". No apologies will ever be accepted for this lie so don't try.

History will remember that on May 19th, 2008 your "friend till the end" didn't make himself available for cross-examination in the arbitration case against the Warriors and the TTFA offered no reason for his absence. Neither did the TTFF pay any arbitration fees because you claimed it had no money. In 2011, once again we see "your friend till the end" not showing up for another court case. History repeating itself.

Under your watch, history will remember that your "friend till the end and leader as you eloquently called him" commended you for blacklisting our heroes, the same men as history may reveal put millions of dollars in your offshore account.
Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: grskywalker on October 29, 2011, 12:31:55 PM
OMG THE ERA IS OVER
YESSSSSS
Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: Socapro on October 29, 2011, 02:08:35 PM
OMG THE ERA IS OVER
YESSSSSS


Its not yet over! Take time and read the entire thread properly!
There is a tyrant called Watson now positioning himself to take up the reigns of blood sucking our football!
We are only about a third to halfway there but the cards seem to be toppling!!
Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: Football supporter on October 29, 2011, 02:47:00 PM
Very famous and prophetic words Jackarse "And in the fullness of time everything shall be revealed".

Under your watch Campolito, history will remember that on January 9th, 2006 your "friend till the end" claims that FIFA payout for qualifying for the World Cup of $38 million is subject to $8 million withholding tax by the German authorities and another $2 million in insurance deductions. That was another boldface LIE. In fact, 3 weeks later, FIFA reiterated that the TTFF will receive $43 million and not $38 million and that both FIFA and the German Organizing Committee both deny that the money is subject to tax. No apologies will ever be accepted.

History will remember that under your watch on September 14th, 2007 the TTFF claimed it had made $18 million. That was a boldfaced LIE. TT Government revealed in fact the TTFF made approximately $174 million from the public and private sector alone. That figure does not include money made from World Cup qualifying, broadcast rights, television revenues and 5 international friendlies. When questioned about it your lawyer, Omey, stated "TTFF were strangers to this document". No apologies will ever be accepted for this lie so don't try.

History will remember that on May 19th, 2008 your "friend till the end" didn't make himself available for cross-examination in the arbitration case against the Warriors and the TTFA offered no reason for his absence. Neither did the TTFF pay any arbitration fees because you claimed it had no money. In 2011, once again we see "your friend till the end" not showing up for another court case. History repeating itself.

Under your watch Camps, history will remember that you changed the TTFA to the TTFF just so you could weasel your way out of the contract with the Strike Squad.

History will remember that on August 28th, 2009 you attempted to repeal the 1982 Act, which incorporated the TTFA by an act of Parliament in another lame attempt to weasel your way out of paying the Soca Warriors.

Under your watch, history will remember that on June 12th, 2006, your "friend till the end" opened his mouth and wrote a check that his ass could not cash.

Under your watch, history will remember that your "friend till the end and leader as you eloquently called him" commended you for blacklisting our heroes, the same men as history may reveal put millions of dollars in your offshore account.

 :beermug: :beermug: :beermug:
Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: ribbit on October 29, 2011, 04:36:19 PM
so watson is de next camps. new players same game.
Title: Camps couldn't take the pressure!!
Post by: Socapro on October 29, 2011, 07:05:25 PM
Camps couldn't take the pressure!! Ah love this headline!!  :devil:

http://www.guardian.co.tt/sport/2011/10/26/fifa-charges-oliver-camps

FIFA charges Oliver Camps
...as ten more CFU officials charged

Published: Wed, 2011-10-26 22:46
Nigel Simon

Long serving T&T Football Federation president, Oliver Ollie Camps, is one of ten more Caribbean Football Union officials who are being investigated over their role in a meeting that eventually led to the downfall of former Asian football chief Mohamed bin Hammam, FIFA said yesterday. This after the ethics committee opened proceedings against them relating to the possible violations of the FIFA Code of Ethics, in the cash-for-votes scandal.

The officials will have their cases heard in mid-November, world football's governing body said in a statement. Camps, the fourth T&T football official to be investigated and the nine others have been charged with breaching rules on ethics in the wake of the corruption scandal that saw Mohamed bin Hammam banned for life in July after he was found guilty of seeking to buy votes in the FIFA presidential election by offering cash gifts of US$40,000 each to delegates at the May CFU get-together at the Hyatt Regency Hotel, Wrightson Road, Trinidad.

A month earlier, Minister of Works in the T&T Government, Jack Warner quit as Fifa vice-president and head of the CFU after he was charged with bribery. He claimed there was a FIFA conspiracy against Caribbean football. The soft spoken Camps has been president of the T&TFF since 1992 and is also a past manager of the T&T senior football teams, holding the position in 1973 when T&T narrowly missed out on qualifying for the 1974 World Cup and again in 1989 when the Strike Squad missed out on qualifying for Italy 1990 by a single point. Earlier this month, T&TFF general secretary Richard Groden, was given a warning by FIFA with regards to the same matter.
 
In July, CFU officials Debbie Minguell and Jason Sylvester, both of T&T were banned from taking part in any kind of football-related activity (administrative, sports or any other) at national and international level for a period of one year. The other CFU officials named by Fifa yesterday  were: Raymond Guishard (Anguilla FA president), Damien Hughes (Anguilla FA general secretary), Everton Gonsalves (Antigua & Barbuda FA president), Derrick Gordon (Antigua & Barbuda general secretary), Lionel Haven (former Bahamas FA general secretary, CFU), Patrick John (Dominica FA president), Philip White (Dominica FA treasurer), Vincent Cassell (Montserrat FA president) and Tandica Hughes (Montserrat FA).
 
The Ethics Committee has asked the ten officials for further interviews on these proceedings and the cases will be submitted to the FIFA Ethics Committee at its next meeting in mid-November. On October 14, four members of the CFU were banned by Fifa for their part in a cash-for-votes scandal in the run-up to the governing body's presidential election this year. The longest ban was the 18 months handed to Franka Pickering, president of the British Virgin Islands FA along with a 350 fine while Jamaica's Horace Burrell was banned for six months, three of them suspended.
 
Pickering and Burrell were among the officials who insisted they had no knowledge of any cash gifts being offered or received at the Trinidad meeting. The suspension of acting CFU president Burrell forced him to withdrew his candidacy for the CFU presidency which is now being contested in Jamaica next month between Jamaican Ralph Anthony James and T&Ts Harold Taylor, a former CFU general secretary. On October 14, Osiris Guzman of Dominican Republic and Ian Hypolite from St Vincent and the Grenadines were also given 30-day bans and handed 210 fines as well. However, 15 days of Guzman and Hypolite's bans were suspended.
 
Aubrey Liburd of British Virgin Islands FA and Hillaren Frederick, president of the US Virgin Islands FA, were reprimanded and fined 210 each while Anthony Johnson, president of the St Kitts and Nevis FA, was reprimanded. David Hinds and Mark Bob Forde (both Barbados), Groden (T&T), Yves Jean-Bart (president of the Haiti FA) and Horace Reid (Jamaica) were warned. Felix Ledesma (Dominican Republic) was considered not to have committed any violation. The cases of David Frederick (Cayman Islands) and Joseph Delves (president of the St. Vincent and Grenadines FA) were closed since they are no longer football officials.
 "Should they return to football official positions, their cases would be examined again by the ethics committee," Fifa said. Last month, Fifa handed a 26-month ban to Colin Klass, president of the Guyana FA, for his involvement in the Caribbean Football Union meeting in May.
Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: elan on October 29, 2011, 07:17:07 PM
"The Attorney General and I have spoken but I do not think it is prudent for me to say what we discussed."   "I have to laugh at this country for true you know...in FIFA there is a thing that says if government interferes in football business in any country the country is suspended but here in Trinidad and Tobago the opposition here wants to interfere in FIFA business," Warner said.

"You cannot interfere with FIFA business in your country, people are laughing at us. I could understand some guys have a political agenda, I could understand that but do not make a fool of yourself and this is what is happening here at this moment," he said.


So, now Warners playing the FIFA card? Well, whether or not crimes were committed, the govt of T&T has the sovereign right to investigate incidents that may have broken the laws of the land. That right trumps the FIFA card, as Warner well knows.

But that was not FIFA business. When yuh campaigning for government it's not government work. JW feel he smarter than everybody.
Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: president on October 30, 2011, 10:31:01 AM
Latest intelligence says the TTFF clique plans to draft an "independent" outsider as president, in order to present a "new, clean" image. Good luck with that. Anybody they bring in will ultimately serve their world view and plans, and will be bound by their code of omerta...
Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: ckhan on October 30, 2011, 11:04:57 AM
Somehow, I don't feel any better with the news. Seems like nothing has changed since there is no plan in place, just changing heads.
Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: president on October 30, 2011, 11:20:25 AM
But the TTFF clique DO have a plan - to change the face occupying the presidency, to try to fool the public that they are really changing for the better, and to continue their strangulation of local football...
Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: Socapro on October 30, 2011, 11:23:43 AM
Somehow, I don't feel any better with the news. Seems like nothing has changed since there is no plan in place, just changing heads.

Musical chairs going on between the same old folks jostling for position to sit in the head chair.
Their short-term thinking means they care more about the immediate state of their pockets than the long-term state of T&T football!
Warner & Camps leave the dance but you know the same backward and oppressive music still go be playing as the new DJ in charge learn all his playing skills from the old ones!!
Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: president on October 30, 2011, 11:38:07 AM
MOVE, the EFA clubs, have requested support for their democratic struggle from the TT Pro League. NOTHING has been forthcoming other than ole talk from clubs leaders who ALWAYS have something to sat about the TTFF and its inefficient leadership. The SSFL should be discussing the matter tomorrow, Monday. We will see if that brings anything. Tobago and the referees' association have come out and supported the EFA clubs, but in the end the TTFF clique don't respect or fear what people have to say. So the question is what are people prepared to DO? Anybody for some protest banners at the stadium on 15 November when we play Guyana? Of course, that won't get the clique out but the time for the clubs and the public to demand their removal from office is NOW...
Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: Socapro on October 30, 2011, 11:53:09 AM
MOVE, the EFA clubs, have requested support for their democratic struggle from the TT Pro League. NOTHING has been forthcoming other than ole talk from clubs leaders who ALWAYS have something to sat about the TTFF and its inefficient leadership. The SSFL should be discussing the matter tomorrow, Monday. We will see if that brings anything. Tobago and the referees' association have come out and supported the EFA clubs, but in the end the TTFF clique don't respect or fear what people have to say. So the question is what are people prepared to DO? Anybody for some protest banners at the stadium on 15 November when we play Guyana? Of course, that won't get the clique out but the time for the clubs and the public to demand their removal from office is NOW...

 :beermug:
Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: president on October 30, 2011, 12:17:43 PM
Importantly, I should add MOVE wrote to Anil Roberts on 12 October 2011 describing the EFA electoral impasse for him and asking for his attention. NO RESPONSE. Not even an acknowledgement! Form your own conclusion...So is banners on 15 October? ...
Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: FireBrand on October 30, 2011, 12:37:59 PM
Importantly, I should add MOVE wrote to Anil Roberts on 12 October 2011 describing the EFA electoral impasse for him and asking for his attention. NO RESPONSE. Not even an acknowledgement! Form your own conclusion...So is banners on 15 OctoberNovember? ...

Yes....but I suggest you join forces with our TTFF protest movement. We have had an anti-TTFF banner on display for all the WC qualifing home games so far. Watson even tried to have our ladies kicked out of the stadium.  The more numbers and banners we have supporting the cause for change within the Administration will make us more visible. pm weary/brown sugar and mobilize your people for November 15. FS what about getting Estrellas on board?
Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: Socapro on October 30, 2011, 01:43:17 PM
Importantly, I should add MOVE wrote to Anil Roberts on 12 October 2011 describing the EFA electoral impasse for him and asking for his attention. NO RESPONSE. Not even an acknowledgement! Form your own conclusion...So is banners on 15 October? ...

Did they also send the letter to his email addresses? If so he must have read it by now!!
Maybe also having it published in some of the dailies might help bring the letter to his attention or maybe that also has already been done?
Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: president on October 30, 2011, 02:16:26 PM
If you could privately provide his email address to me MOVE would be grateful, I am certain.
Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: president on October 30, 2011, 02:19:41 PM
Thanks firebrand...
Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: Socapro on October 30, 2011, 02:36:57 PM
If you could privately provide his email address to me MOVE would be grateful, I am certain.

PM Flex & Tallman! I suspect one of them may have his email address at hand!
Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: president on October 30, 2011, 02:49:09 PM
Thanks again...
Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: King Deese on October 30, 2011, 08:51:07 PM
King Deese here. How can I be of assistance to the cause.
Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: president on October 31, 2011, 04:31:07 AM
We need as many people as possible to bring banners demanding the transformation of the TTFF to the stadium on 15 November...and by way of this response to your query - I invite all of us on SWO who so readily type against the TTFF clique to stand up and support this undertaking by committing to bring a banner themselves. Come on SWO People!...
Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: NYtriniwhiteboy.. on October 31, 2011, 08:11:23 AM
wish i was home for this. Good luck pple
Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: Socapro on October 31, 2011, 08:43:11 AM
We need as many people as possible to bring banners demanding the transformation of the TTFF to the stadium on 15 November...and by way of this response to your query - I invite all of us on SWO who so readily type against the TTFF clique to stand up and support this undertaking by committing to bring a banner themselves. Come on SWO People!...

Not all of us are at home! I'm in London for example but hopefully those who post regularly on this forum that are based at home will answer the call!  :beermug:
Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: president on October 31, 2011, 08:47:04 AM
Understood...and thanks for the moral support...
Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: weary1969 on October 31, 2011, 10:52:51 AM
We need as many people as possible to bring banners demanding the transformation of the TTFF to the stadium on 15 November...and by way of this response to your query - I invite all of us on SWO who so readily type against the TTFF clique to stand up and support this undertaking by committing to bring a banner themselves. Come on SWO People!...

Well we tried to walk with banners last time and yuh pardner Watson try 2 lock we up and now he is d prez.
Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: ZANDOLIE on October 31, 2011, 11:56:25 AM
No indication has yet been given by TTFF who the president is...or the process for choosing a new president. That alone should signal its the same style of limiting information and operate-in-the-dark mentality as before.
Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: president on October 31, 2011, 12:07:22 PM
Watson is the acting president - appointed by an exco meeting the evening Camps resigned. They just haven't revealed that to the media because of all the bad press he has been receiving due to the impasse with the EFA clubs...God help us...
Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: ZANDOLIE on October 31, 2011, 12:24:49 PM
Watson is the acting president - appointed by an exco meeting the evening Camps resigned. They just haven't revealed that to the media because of all the bad press he has been receiving due to the impasse with the EFA clubs...God help us...

Precisely the point. TTFF reluctant to reveal who is in charge and the media too stupid to ask. You would think some questions would have been raised after Camps said he was resigning IMMEDIATELY.

If decision's leading up to Camp's resignation were an attempt to do better, then come and tell the public how you plan to do better. Internal politics aside, this silence does not sit well with me at all.
Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: Socapro on October 31, 2011, 12:44:02 PM
Watson is the acting president - appointed by an exco meeting the evening Camps resigned. They just haven't revealed that to the media because of all the bad press he has been receiving due to the impasse with the EFA clubs...God help us...

Precisely the point. TTFF reluctant to reveal who is in charge and the media too stupid to ask. You would think some questions would have been raised after Camps said he was resigning IMMEDIATELY.

If decision's leading up to Camp's resignation were an attempt to do better, then come and tell the public how you plan to do better. Internal politics aside, this silence does not sit well with me at all.

The TTFF fully intends to carry in the same non-transparent manner as they have always done hence no update on who is officially in charge!

But I fully agree, the T&T media especially journalists and newspapers worth their salt should be asking questions like who is now in charge and was this retirement move done by Camps in the hope that he can wash his hands of the court case and being responsible together with Jack for providing full accounts?

Got to award the media in T&T with a BIG fail on this issue so far!!

They are supposed to be guardians of our democracy but instead they seem to be happy to see our democracy eroded and turn a blind eye almost as if they have been brought and are party to all the corrupt practices taking place in certain organisations!
Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: Deeks on October 31, 2011, 03:32:24 PM
Is it that the media houses don't care about football, except WC. Local football is not as "exciting" as  in the past. Also in the past, the majority of the sport journalist played sports at a high level, so they had the passion. Maybe these university trained journalist lack the passion. Ah go get flack for the last statement, but ah wearing ah pohzee on mih head for any backlash.
Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: ZANDOLIE on October 31, 2011, 04:40:56 PM
Is it that the media houses don't care about football, except WC. Local football is not as "exciting" as  in the past. Also in the past, the majority of the sport journalist played sports at a high level, so they had the passion. Maybe these university trained journalist lack the passion. Ah go get flack for the last statement, but ah wearing ah pohzee on mih for any backlash.

Does the media ask tough questions where other sports are concerned?
Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: Deeks on October 31, 2011, 05:24:24 PM
Is it that the media houses don't care about football, except WC. Local football is not as "exciting" as  in the past. Also in the past, the majority of the sport journalist played sports at a high level, so they had the passion. Maybe these university trained journalist lack the passion. Ah go get flack for the last statement, but ah wearing ah pohzee on mih for any backlash.

Does the media ask tough questions where other sports are concerned?

Cricket!
Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: Trinitozbone on October 31, 2011, 07:36:39 PM
Football Fans of T and T you cannot allow the imposition of Watson on this country! Thus is a crucial moment to engender some change!
I am surprised no journalist is writing on this! Where is Lasana Liburd at least! Fans should be mobilized on November 15! People you have a penchant for old talk and no action! This is time for action!
Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: Cocorite on October 31, 2011, 11:22:51 PM
Football Fans of T and T you cannot allow the imposition of Watson on this country! Thus is a crucial moment to engender some change!
I am surprised no journalist is writing on this! Where is Lasana Liburd at least! Fans should be mobilized on November 15! People you have a penchant for old talk and no action! This is time for action!
:beermug: :beermug: :beermug:
Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: president on November 01, 2011, 04:34:36 AM
Latest: Marlon Morris and his slate lost all positions last evening in the Northern FA elections. Roland Forde, the incumbent returns as president with Clint Marcelle as vice-president.
Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: president on November 01, 2011, 05:16:43 AM
...and latest intelligence also tells me that the TTFF plans to hold its Annual General Meeting in November, at which time they will elect a new president - one who is "untainted" and who can present a "new" TTFF face to the world. Apparently, both Ramesh Ramdhan (JW's party supporter) and Kenny de Silva (JW's business associate) are being considered. Whatever the case, anybody the TTFF clique co-opts, we may be certain the "new" person will be someone the TTFF clique can rely on to help implement its agenda.
Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: royal on November 01, 2011, 05:27:10 AM
Latest: Marlon Morris and his slate lost all positions last evening in the Northern FA elections. Roland Forde, the incumbent returns as president with Clint Marcelle as vice-president.

Disappointed.Like everyone who has a progressive vision,articulate and educated,we shot them down.   
Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: president on November 01, 2011, 05:30:42 AM
This is one aspect of the culture we have created with our Independence but we MUST persevere or die as a people...
Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on November 01, 2011, 09:43:05 AM
Latest: Marlon Morris and his slate lost all positions last evening in the Northern FA elections. Roland Forde, the incumbent returns as president with Clint Marcelle as vice-president.

Disappointed.Like everyone who has a progressive vision,articulate and educated,we shot them down.   

Pardon my ignorance.  Genuine question to you and Prezi, what wrong with Forde and Marcelle?
Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: pardners on November 01, 2011, 11:23:08 AM
Latest: Marlon Morris and his slate lost all positions last evening in the Northern FA elections. Roland Forde, the incumbent returns as president with Clint Marcelle as vice-president.

Disappointed.Like everyone who has a progressive vision,articulate and educated,we shot them down.   

Pardon my ignorance.  Genuine question to you and Prezi, what wrong with Forde and Marcelle?

I was going to ask it another way...would Morris have been able to transform the TTFF into a 'properly' run organisation ?

When I heard the news about Morris running for NFA president I tell myself well at least there could be a changing of the guards...albeit with a lil skepticism as I didn't know much about the man in that portfolio, but he seemed to have developed some administrative qualities since the Strike Squad days.  I ent know much about the Forde and Marcelle either, but ah sorry Morris didn't get pick...just cause I hungry for change.
Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: president on November 01, 2011, 11:24:51 AM
Forde is a nice enough guy but he plays along with the TTFF clique. Marcelle is an ex-international player, of course, and we will see what his administrative and political input will be. At least for the present, therefore, the TTFF status quo is maintained by these election results. The removal of Watson, Ferguson and Company in the Eastern FA, and (potentially) the arrival of Marcelle, will change that equation.
Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: pardners on November 01, 2011, 11:52:25 AM
Forde is a nice enough guy but he plays along with the TTFF clique. Marcelle is an ex-international player, of course, and we will see what his administrative and political input will be. At least for the present, therefore, the TTFF status quo is maintained by these election results. The removal of Watson, Ferguson and Company in the Eastern FA, and (potentially) the arrival of Marcelle, will change that equation.

Alright Presi....ah going with what yuh saying there for now, cause like yuh head in the game.
Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: president on November 01, 2011, 12:01:26 PM
Yes, we will see. Also, let's not forget that there ARE elements within the TTFF that are definitely NOT integral to the TTFF clique: the Tobago FA, the Referees' Association, and sections of the Southern FA, for starters. The situation is in flux and we need a broad coalition to force the clique out. The timing for that is not easy to define...
Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: Controversial on November 01, 2011, 12:15:03 PM
Yes, we will see. Also, let's not forget that there ARE elements within the TTFF that are definitely NOT integral to the TTFF clique: the Tobago FA, the Referees' Association, and sections of the Southern FA, for starters. The situation is in flux and we need a broad coalition to force the clique out. The timing for that is not easy to define...

I don't understand why the people back home are so adamant to try and force their way into a collapsing structure like the TTFF and the regional football associations.

Has it dawned on anyone that forming a rival federation and rival football associations in the same regions can be answer to this problem? With people who can actually run the football in a transparent manner, who have the love and business mind to run it properly.

"Pave your own Road" my friends, stop trying to trod a path that is winding, has road blocks and is treacherous. Learn from your previous mistakes and be a trailblazer, banners won't make a difference, a concerted group effort of individuals who have a common vision and objective can derail any existing despotism and forge a new path and new regime.

It is time to move on from your old ideas and start new ones that work and that can have a substantial effect on our national football.

Its time for you to wake up from your slumber.
Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: president on November 01, 2011, 01:09:41 PM
You could form your own league, association or federation. This has been done more than once previously in and outside of TNT. It ALWAYS ends with the "rebels" returning to the FIFA fold. That's the FIFA fold. Yes, because no serious player, club or league wants to be outside of FIFA football. Do you know that Alfredo di Stefano played with Millionarios of Bogota back in the late 1940s and early 1950s when they were member of a "rebel" league. That particular experiment inevitably failed and he made his way to Spain and stardom with Real Madrid. Here in TNT we had our Premier Soccer League - the Arthur Suite League - that was a success for a three years and then they all wound their way back into the TTFF. I played in that league. That route NEVER works...
Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: Controversial on November 01, 2011, 01:19:34 PM
You could form your own league, association or federation. This has been done more than once previously in and outside of TNT. It ALWAYS ends with the "rebels" returning to the FIFA fold. That's the FIFA fold. Yes, because no serious player, club or league wants to be outside of FIFA football. Do you know that Alfredo di Stefano played with Millionarios of Bogota back in the late 1940s and early 1950s when they were member of a "rebel" league. That particular experiment inevitably failed and he made his way to Spain and stardom with Real Madrid. Here in TNT we had our Premier Soccer League - the Arthur Suite League - that was a success for a three years and then they all wound their way back into the TTFF. I played in that league. That route NEVER works...

It never worked because you have to have proper planning and the ability to stay in it for the long haul.

Not to mention the visionaries who have the connections and know how to run it in the long term.

T&T has never been known for efficiency or well run organizations, sadly to say, so I would not expect it to work or expect the local based to concoct a plan as comprehensive as this for the long haul.

However, is it possible, of course, can it be successful, of course, is it a risk, yes but can it serve to derail the current admin, yes.

Are people scared of trying it, yes, because locally our people are docile, they are not revolutionaries or have the belly or risk taking attitude to oppose the norm or the ole boys club.

They rather sit by and watch proceedings continue as is and do a little protest here and there.

Wars are not won and breakthroughs are not made through docile and fence sitting tactics, they are won through strife, struggle and the will to forge ahead with proper planning, execution and a strong collective effort.

BTW this idea will work with the right people behind it, I think it is time the right people get behind our football, for decades we have had the wrong people behind our football and docile population that allows injustice and sits by idly because the next carnival fete is around the corner.

You have to make up your mind if you want to make history or be a forgotten relic of it's past.

You have to make your mind up if you want to be a part of the football revolution that moves our football forward into the future or a lap dog.

The choice is yours, choose wisely and pessimism is not the answer or the way to the solution.
Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: president on November 01, 2011, 02:11:15 PM
It's a dead end if you want to enjoy the benefits of FIFA membership - like participation in the World Cup, CONCACAF Gold Cup, CONCACAF Champions League, FIFA development programmes and financing, etc. Simple. Anything else is just playing for playing sake...
Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: Controversial on November 01, 2011, 02:25:12 PM
It's a dead end if you want to enjoy the benefits of FIFA membership - like participation in the World Cup, CONCACAF Gold Cup, CONCACAF Champions League, FIFA development programmes and financing, etc. Simple. Anything else is just playing for playing sake...

That is the problem with T&T society, always looking at the short term gains, incentive, this is a plan that will come to fruition for the 2018 WC and beyond, applying for CFU recognition and waiting two years to be approved by FIFA.

You cannot upstage a despot by being impatient and only looking at 2 years in front of you. You plan for the future and patience is the key, long term goals are for the wise and intelligent, short term goals should never be your entire base at which to build a way forward.

T&T society needs to start planning for the future, not the present, like I said, this way forward is not for the docile or weak, its for the strong and dedicated.

FIFA membership without media rights is pointless, don't let immediate FIFA membership cloud your vision of the reality of our situation.

Plain and simple.
Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: Flex on July 08, 2014, 02:01:14 AM
Warner calls for help for Camps.
By Anna Ramdass (Express).


Former FIFA vice-president Jack Warner has appealed to Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar to come to the aid of former president of the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation Oliver Camps, who he claims is in debt and stands to lose his home.

In a release yesterday, following Governments $1.3 million payout to the 2006 Soca Warriors, Warner called on the Prime Minister to intervene and save Camps home. Camps was president at the time of T&Ts World Cup qualification for the 2006 World Cup in Germany.

If the Prime Minister really wants to demonstrate that this is truly benevolence and not public relations to lift the flagging image of her Minister of Sport, then I wish to advise her to go further and save the home of Oliver Camps, he stated.

This group of footballers who played three matches in the 2006 World Cup in Germany and who never scored a goal nor win a match there and who now stand to benefit from the Prime Ministers benevolent gesture received $20 million dollars from the Patrick Manning administration, $7 million from FIFA, $4 million from the TTFF, $6 million from Jack Warner through the courts of Trinidad and Tobago and now $1.3 million USD from the Peoples Partnership Government; a total sum of close to $50 million dollars and this excludes gifts from private organisations like Clico and others, claimed Warner.

He stated Camps too was in need of financial help.

Camps, he stated, served football with distinction for over 50 years as Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (TTFF) president and team manager and was the most successful football manager ever, taking the Soca Warriors to the 2006 Germany World Cup.

Warner stated that Camps signed a promissory note of US$480,000  on behalf of the TTFF in order to procure the services of Wim Risenberg as coach of the national team.

The TTFF has been unable to raise the money and now Al Roberts firm - father of the Minister of Sport, is now moving to levy on this senior citizen, stated Warner.

Mr. Camps home Madam Prime Minister is now threatened.  If he cannot raise the money he will lose it by September 2014, if not before. In this regard I am therefore asking the Prime Minister to be as benevolent to Mr. Camps as she has been to these footballers and save the home of this senior citizen, stated Warner.

On the money Government will be paying the Soca Warriors, Warner wished the team members well and stated that he hoped this would  finally bring closure to the matter.

It is my sincere wish that this is the end of this story and that the furniture and the archival material, which the TTFA lost when this team of footballers levied on the TTFF, will now be returned to it, he added.

Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: Tiresais on July 08, 2014, 04:42:50 AM
How about Warner uses any of the untold and unaccounted millions he stole from the TTFA, if he cares so much?
Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: Football supporter on July 08, 2014, 05:20:58 AM
Just a quick note, Mr Warner.....Camps didn't score a single goal for T&T at the 2006 World Cup either.....or in any of the qualification games!
However, he did manage to let T&T football, under his leadership, mis manage hundreds of millions of dollars during the Federations best ever earning years, blacklisted and destroy the most successful ever squad assembled by T&T, allow one of his employees to fraudulently obtain ownership of a  major asset, allow the whole country to be globally embarrassed by a cash for votes scandal  and fail completely to investigate the missing millions and, it appears, actually help to cover for his wayward employee, as well as ostracize T&T football completely from corporate T&T. Meanwhile, he jetted around the world first class.
Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: Richard G. on July 08, 2014, 05:37:42 AM
hmmmmm.....
Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: royal on July 08, 2014, 06:21:36 AM
hey Mr Warner you got dat covered. That is pittance for you. Ah wonder who advise Camps to do that in de first place
Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: Tenorsaw on July 08, 2014, 07:33:09 AM
What really amazing to me is that Camps signed a promissory note against his personal assets on behalf of the TTFF.  Was there any line between the business of the TTFF and his personal assets, and why can't Warner bail out the man?
Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: weary1969 on July 08, 2014, 08:13:22 AM
What really amazing to me is that Camps signed a promissory note against his personal assets on behalf of the TTFF.  Was there any line between the business of the TTFF and his personal assets, and why can't Warner bail out the man?

Because Jack is a two foot scoundrel but it good 4 Scamps.
Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: MEP on July 08, 2014, 11:19:58 AM
so wait...so taxpayers dollars must bailout Camps??? Why doesn't jack lend ah hand? This "gov't is an atm" way of thinking must change.
Title: Re: Camps resigns from TTFF
Post by: Deeks on July 08, 2014, 12:50:12 PM
Jack and Camps were peas in a pod. He always had to referthe Special Advisor whenever important questions were put to him. And it has reach to this. Jack can't be serious.
Title: Oliver Camps speaks out on UK TV
Post by: Football supporter on June 12, 2015, 04:47:09 PM

http://www.channel4.com/news/jack-warners-cheques-oliver-camps-fbi-trinidad
Title: Re: Oliver Camps speaks out on UK TV
Post by: E-man on June 12, 2015, 07:05:25 PM

http://www.channel4.com/news/jack-warners-cheques-oliver-camps-fbi-trinidad

regarding the question about having seen the money. I remember there was a report about what happened in his office with the envelope being in the desk drawer or something. Can someone post the link if they find it before I do?
Title: Re: Oliver Camps speaks out on UK TV
Post by: Deeks on June 12, 2015, 07:27:07 PM
Yeah right, Ollie!!!
Title: Re: Oliver Camps speaks out on UK TV
Post by: E-man on June 12, 2015, 07:42:13 PM
Sorry, it was not Camps, but Groden's affidavit to FIFA:

(http://www.wired868.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Groden_jack_affidavit.jpg)

http://wired868.com/2012/03/22/groden-accuses-warner-of-collecting-bribe/

Title: Re: Oliver Camps speaks out on UK TV
Post by: royal on June 12, 2015, 08:52:25 PM
Camps new everything, but didn't do anything because he enjoyed the benefits of being lazy
Title: Re: Oliver Camps Thread
Post by: Flex on June 13, 2015, 02:01:25 AM
He made me do wrong
By STEPHON NICHOLAS (Newsday).


Former Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (TTFF) president Oliver Camps has turned on longtime friend and ex-TTFF Special Adviser Jack Warner who is now facing extradition charges over multiple allegations of corruption while he was vice-president of FIFA and president of CONCACAF.

In an interview with UK Channel 4, Camps, who served as head of local football for 19 years, described Warner as a brother but claims he made me do the wrong thing.

Camps resigned his TTFF post on October 27, 2011 following the infamous Hyatt meeting where US$40,000 was allegedly handed over to Caribbean football delegates by Mohammed bin Hammam in a cash for votes FIFA scandal. In the UK Channel 4 interview, Camps finally admitted he was aware of the money being disbursed despite denying so in a June 9, 2011 press release.

The Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation...wishes to explicitly state that none of its delegates were offered any inducements, bribes or gifts to support any of the candidates during the meeting, Camps had previously stated.

Questioned by Newsday in 2011 about the validity of that statement, a defiant Camps declared, I spoke the truth then and I stand by it.

He told a different version to international media however when grilled about the US$40,000 alleged bribes.

I knew that it was...I never saw the money but I knew that it was being...from the information I had... that that was being done and I was not present at the time that it was being done. I had left the meeting...At my office I understand that...I was told that there was a gift that was given and I passed it on to the treasurer, a stuttering Camps told Channel 4.

The 84-year-old washed his hands of any wrongdoing and also declared himself completely ignorant of any corruption taking place during Warners tenure.

If he came to me and told me that there was some transaction... I had confidence in him and I would sign. I am amazed that I did not detect these things at the time but I just didnt, Camps said in Channel 4 interview.

The ex-football boss said he was flabbergasted about the allegations that Warner failed to pass on US$750,000 FIFA aid to Haiti following the devastating 2010 earthquake that killed over 300,000 people. The FBI is currently investigating Warner concerning that money as well as a US$10 million alleged payment from South Africa to him.

I am amazed here. It shocks me...I dont believe it as a matter of fact. I cannot believe it, I am wondering whether its a mistake. I am not doubting it in any way but I am hoping it is a mistake...I feel abused, not only used, Camps declared.

Camps, as head of the then-TTFF, was also embroiled in a legal battle with 13 members of the 2006 Soca Warriors team over non-payment of World Cup bonuses.

Minister of Sport Brent Sancho estimates that close to $200 million has been unaccounted for from their investigations.

Warner 'ally' Camps speaks out.
T&T Express Reports.


Oliver Camps, a close friend and colleague of former FIFA vice-president Jack Warner, has spoken about the FBI's claim that his former boss was involved in bribery.

Camps was Jack Warner's right hand man and close friend for more than 20 years. Now the former FIFA executive committee member is wanted by the FBI, Camps is the first of Warner's inner circle to speak out publicly about what happened.

Camps told Channel 4 News: We were like brothers...I could tell him what I wanted and we were very frank with each other. I realise I should not have put so much confidence in him because he made me do the wrong thing and I was doing it very innocently. I knew nothing about those things.

Camps was chair of Caribbean football's finance committee and signed cheques in Trinidad for millions on Warner's behalf.

These cheques were supposed to finance Trinidad's team in the 2006 World Cup campaign in Germany and were still being signed three years after the World Cup had ended in what the authorities there allege was a money laundering operation on Warner's behalf.

If he came to me and told me there was some transaction, I had confidence in him, I would sign. I am amazed that I did not detect these things at the time but I just didn't. I just thought everything was above board, he said.

Camps said he was not aware of wrongdoing and says he feels let down by someone to whom he was very close. Warner was not available for comment, but has previously denied wrongdoing.

Title: Re: Oliver Camps Thread
Post by: dreamer on June 13, 2015, 09:06:47 AM
Lovely ... Chickens coming home to roost while all the scoundrels gradually start throwing each other under the bus.
It's ugly to watch but a necessary unraveling of a tightly controlled mafia imploding in front our eyes.
As we always said this Cosa Nostra looks to be including Jackulito aka to be represented as suspicious enterprises or shell companies as "Renraw", "Jamad", "Concacaf" (lower case) and others. Other stars being Scampito, Rodent, Uncle Tim, Uncle Kenny sad-ramper, Cornmeal, Uncle Harold, uncle Shabba, Horner 1 and Horner 2, possibly "President" aka little Jackulito. Their yes men, pro bono attorneys and lackeys will burn in hell for the evil that they spread in the T&T football community and the suffering they dish out for our easy to exploit footballers male and female. I pray that justice will be served by whatever instrument fate sends us. Watch for a sudden drop in international travel with these above jokers as they look over their backs for an unexpected nabbing by Interpol acting hand in hand with the US judicial system.
Title: Re: Oliver Camps Thread
Post by: King Deese on June 14, 2015, 07:57:51 AM
Mouth open, tory jump out. The Scamps taking front before front tekkkk him. Tim Tee playing more pious than thou. He wants us to believe that for the more than 10 years he was a part of this system, he didn't see anything, didn't do anything, didn't know anything and he is or was the Pope of the Jamad controlled front. Like Blatter and the Spiderman, Tantie Tee didn't know any of this stuff was going on. He even wants us to believe he is surprised by the news concerning his hero, the Jamad One.
What a bunch of shit.
Title: Re: Oliver Camps Thread
Post by: AB.Trini on June 14, 2015, 09:14:37 AM
Well mr. Oliver - the test of friendship is at stake- how long yuh know tuh friend and now yuh talking likely uh shock? Wait nah you was responsible for tracking funds and yuh cyar tell a bobol from legitimate transactions? With nah yuh really expect people to believe that yuhwas so innocent and nieveL wait nah when'll yuh thought allyuh make big money and allyuh drinking and celebrating as friends allyuh was talking about the piety of Robin Hood or how blessed you were to be so privileged?

 Come nah is you and yuhpartner here yuh talking about? So tell meh yuh did not have a conscience? Yuh could not stand up and ask why the 2006 players eh getting they promised WC money? Nah Mr Oliver yuh sounding likes remake of the Jamacian comedian today so letme find asonetodeicate to what Hhearing and reading about:

Adapted from Shaggy's It was'nt Me

(Yo', man) Yo'
(Open up, man) What do you want, man?
(They just caught me) You let them catch you?
(I don't know how I let this happen) With who?
(Meh buddy from all these years you know) Man
(I don't know what to do) Say it wasn't you
(Alright)

Finally they coming in
Creeping in on what we did
Picture this, we were both caught with ah money ting
[Album version - Picture this, we had hands in the cookie jar

How could I forget that I had
Singing an extra cheque
All this time i was  wicking there
I never know what I signing here'

How you can grant the man  access to FIFA dollars
Trespasser and a witness while you cling to your power
You better watch your back before he turn into a viper
Best for you and the situation not to call the beaner
To be a true player you have to know how to play
If he say a million  convince me say a dey
Never admit to a word when he say
And if he claims and you tell him  deny no way

But we get caught (It wasn't me)
Saw me signing cheque  on the  hotel floor  (It wasn't me
I even had a dollar in the office  (It wasn't me)
I even caught me on camera (It wasn't me)

I go Make sure they knows it's not me and lead them on the right prefix
Whenever you should see him make he threading  flex
As funny as it seems to be it not that complex
Seeing is believing ah better change meh  specs
You know he not gonna be worrying 'bout things from the past
Hardly recollecting and then he'll go to noontime mass
But if he start ah rant ah know I better run fast

I saw when he buss the marks  (It wasn't me)
Heard the words that I told him (It wasn't me)
Heard the money get louder (It wasn't me)
He stayed until it was over

How could I forget that I had
Signed an extra cheque
All this time I was wucking there
I  never took my eyes off the prize

Gonna tell him that I'm sorry
For the pain that I would cause
I've been listening to the stories
It makes no sense at all
We should tell the people that  we sorry
For the pain that We caused
You may think that you're a player
But you're completely lost
That's why I singing today





Title: Re: Oliver Camps Thread
Post by: Flex on June 23, 2015, 02:00:21 AM
Ex TTFF President might lose his home
By Rachael Espinet (Guardian)


Former T&T Football Federation (TTFF) president Oliver Camps says he is in danger of losing his home and all of his belongings because he trusted former Fifa vice president Jack Warner too much.

In an interview last week with CNC3, Camps disclosed that his assets were tied up in the TTFFs assets because he trusted Warner.

How can you do me that? Thats something I have to ask him. How could you do me that? Because I trusted him like my brother, and to have me in this situation now makes me very sad, Camps said.

He was answering questions related to the millions of dollars, intended for the development of Caribbean football, which have reportedly gone missing.

Camps said he was not aware of where the money went.

He said he was primarily in charge of the management of the TTFF and the growth of the players, and Warner and others handled the finances.

I was not involved in the administration of the football. Even if they put me as an officer or one of the officials, I was still the manager of the team and that is where I put all of our efforts, Camps said. 

Reflecting on his role in the TTFF, Camps said many would think he was foolish for trusting Warner as he did. But he said he did what was necessary for the players to get what they did.

At one point he agreed to tie his name and his assets to the organisation.

I am very disappointed that they should even think of doing that because I was honest with them and I did everything possible above board to help them. And to hear now what I am hearing, it hurts my heart. Thats all I could tell you, Camps said.

As to the meeting Warner held at the Hyatt Hotel where $40,000US bribes were allegedly paid, Camps said he left before the alleged incident occured.

It was brought to the office by somebody who was there at the meeting, and then it was sent to Mr Warner, so I had nothing to do with it, he said.

Warner and Camps are among several people charged by US prosecutors over alleged corruption at Fifa.

The US Justice department alleges the 14 accepted bribes and kickbacks estimated at more than $150m (97m) over a 24-year period.

Warner denies all charges of corruption. Camps said he holds no ill will against Warner.

I thought he was doing a good thing for the players because I thought it was genuine, Camps said.

Title: Re: Oliver Camps Thread
Post by: grimm01 on June 23, 2015, 07:16:27 AM
What he mean that his assets tie up with the TTFF? He put his savings in the TTFF bank account, he co-sign for a loan, he use his house & car as collateral for a TTFF loan??? How you as a big, supposedly intelligent man, manage to co-mingle your "assets" with a non-profit company that you DO NOT own? How can it be Jack's fault, take responsibility for your dunce behavior. Every time this man opens his mouth he sounds like a mooks, no wonder Jack put him as a figure head cause he has no sense. #dotishforspite

I guess we should add Oliver Camps at the bottom of the list of TTFF creditors.
Title: Re: Oliver Camps Thread
Post by: Sam on June 23, 2015, 08:10:36 AM
F00ck you Camps, yuh playing dead to catch cobo alive.

Yuh shoulda save yuh money.

Title: Re: Oliver Camps Thread
Post by: Peong on June 23, 2015, 08:43:38 AM
Camps tryin to be more jokey than Jack Warner at this point.
Maybe he didn't co-conspire but he certainly turned a blind eye on what must be dozens if not hundreds of occasions.
 :banginghead:
Title: Re: Oliver Camps Thread
Post by: daryn on June 23, 2015, 08:49:07 AM
I was not involved in the administration of the football. - Oliver Camps, TTFA/TTFF President 1992-2011
Title: Re: Oliver Camps Thread
Post by: E-man on June 23, 2015, 10:52:13 AM
I was not involved in the administration of the football. - Oliver Camps, TTFA/TTFF President 1992-2011

haha he's claiming that it was some kind of honorary position but he was really just team manager.
Title: Re: Oliver Camps Thread
Post by: Football supporter on June 23, 2015, 11:36:51 AM
I think we all believe that Camps was a little naive (to say the least). But he said one thing which rang true: "One man can't take a team to the World Cup" Oliver Camps was not the recognised member of FIFA, TTFF was. However they set up the business from a trading point of view, the Federation was the recognised body. Therefore, how can Camps be solely liable for unpaid contracts?

I'm sure Bakes can shed more light on this. While, in law, Camps may be responsible, in football he is not (though as President, he would take the lions share of the blame). Surely, FIFA should support him and at least insist that his board members or vice presidents or exco or General Secretary share responsibility? 

The debts incurred by TTFF must be repaid, I just think it is harsh that they fall to one man when they were accrued by the Federation.
Title: Re: Oliver Camps Thread
Post by: Peong on June 23, 2015, 11:57:16 AM
Wasn't the TTFA or TTFF a private company registered to Camps?
Something so
Title: Re: Oliver Camps Thread
Post by: Football supporter on June 23, 2015, 12:12:44 PM
Wasn't the TTFA or TTFF a private company registered to Camps?
Something so

The story goes that Warner wanted the rights to the name SocaWarriors so re registered TTFF as TTFF trading as Oliver Camps. I'm really not sure what this was supposed to achieve. I'm not even sure if an NGB can be registered as a sole trader??
Title: Re: Oliver Camps Thread
Post by: Deeks on June 23, 2015, 04:22:25 PM
So FS, you see what Jack did to Ollie Camps and TTFF/TTFA. Why can't Brent see the same thing?
Title: Re: Oliver Camps Thread
Post by: Brownsugar on June 23, 2015, 05:54:30 PM
IT SSSSPPPEEEAAAKKKKSSS!!!! (c) Big Magician.....
Title: Re: Oliver Camps Thread
Post by: Football supporter on June 23, 2015, 08:22:10 PM
So FS, you see what Jack did to Ollie Camps and TTFF/TTFA. Why can't Brent see the same thing?

Not sure what you mean here. It was always the players aim to see Jack punished, but they haven't given up, just had to find a different route. Where do you think the FBI got details of dodgy transactions??
Title: Re: Oliver Camps Thread
Post by: Bakes on June 23, 2015, 08:46:05 PM
So FS, you see what Jack did to Ollie Camps and TTFF/TTFA. Why can't Brent see the same thing?

Not sure what you mean here. It was always the players aim to see Jack punished, but they haven't given up, just had to find a different route. Where do you think the FBI got details of dodgy transactions??

Wait... so you claiming credit on behalf of the players for supplying information to the US DoJ now?  Incredible.
Title: Re: Oliver Camps Thread
Post by: Football supporter on June 23, 2015, 10:05:10 PM
So FS, you see what Jack did to Ollie Camps and TTFF/TTFA. Why can't Brent see the same thing?

Not sure what you mean here. It was always the players aim to see Jack punished, but they haven't given up, just had to find a different route. Where do you think the FBI got details of dodgy transactions??

Wait... so you claiming credit on behalf of the players for supplying information to the US DoJ now?  Incredible.

You're such an imbecile sometimes. You know that the TTFF office was "raided" because you keep throwing this up as a reason why TTFA can't provide audits. I'm also fairly sure that it has been mentioned in media articles that Townley passed information obtained from TTFF's office to the FBI. So is it really too hard to believe that at least one Warner transaction was provided by the players? 
Title: Re: Oliver Camps Thread
Post by: Bakes on June 23, 2015, 10:53:43 PM
You're such an imbecile sometimes. You know that the TTFF office was "raided" because you keep throwing this up as a reason why TTFA can't provide audits. I'm also fairly sure that it has been mentioned in media articles that Townley passed information obtained from TTFF's office to the FBI. So is it really too hard to believe that at least one Warner transaction was provided by the players? 

By nature, I am skeptical of claims which seem fantastic.  I can recall no "media articles" which mention any communication between Michael Townley and the US Department of Justice.  Not only that, the Complaint (http://www.justice.gov/opa/file/450211/download) is pretty particular in documenting where information came from in building the case against Warner.  All of the information presented points to evidence provided by co-conspirators. 

My continued questioning of you and your statements derives from my growing lack of confidence in your honesty... and serves two purposes: 1) to continue to challenge you to verify your increasingly dishonest, self-serving statements; and 2) to reveal your for the sensitive empty suit that you are.  You cannot substantiate your statement, which has morphed from "where do you think the FBI got details..." to "it's really not too hard to believe that at least one..."

Caught in yet another lie you resort to petulant name-calling.  I must really be getting under your skin with all this insistence on "transparency and accountability" (and honesty).
Title: Re: Oliver Camps Thread
Post by: Football supporter on June 24, 2015, 05:27:00 AM
You're such an imbecile sometimes. You know that the TTFF office was "raided" because you keep throwing this up as a reason why TTFA can't provide audits. I'm also fairly sure that it has been mentioned in media articles that Townley passed information obtained from TTFF's office to the FBI. So is it really too hard to believe that at least one Warner transaction was provided by the players? 

By nature, I am skeptical of claims which seem fantastic.  I can recall no "media articles" which mention any communication between Michael Townley and the US Department of Justice.  Not only that, the Complaint (http://www.justice.gov/opa/file/450211/download) is pretty particular in documenting where information came from in building the case against Warner.  All of the information presented points to evidence provided by co-conspirators. 

My continued questioning of you and your statements derives from my growing lack of confidence in your honesty... and serves two purposes: 1) to continue to challenge you to verify your increasingly dishonest, self-serving statements; and 2) to reveal your for the sensitive empty suit that you are.  You cannot substantiate your statement, which has morphed from "where do you think the FBI got details..." to "it's really not too hard to believe that at least one..."

Caught in yet another lie you resort to petulant name-calling.  I must really be getting under your skin with all this insistence on "transparency and accountability" (and honesty).

Caught in yet another lie you resort to petulant name-calling.   :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: Pot, black, kettle   :rotfl: :rotfl:

Remember you haven't recovered from your attempts to mislead the board about the cabinet note yet. You see, I actually talk to people who are involved in situations whereas you are fed false and misleadin gossip. People here can make their own conclusions without you branding me as a liar, something you as an ambulance chaser lawyer should know better than stating in public without consequences.

But you are correct in that I couldn't swear in a court of law that the FBI specifically used an item supplied by the players. And you couldn't swear that they didn't. However, it shouldn't take too much for your inside man to confirm who I converse with in the US legal system.
Title: Re: Oliver Camps Thread
Post by: Bakes on June 24, 2015, 06:05:30 AM

Caught in yet another lie you resort to petulant name-calling.   :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: Pot, black, kettle   :rotfl: :rotfl:

Remember you haven't recovered from your attempts to mislead the board about the cabinet note yet. You see, I actually talk to people who are involved in situations whereas you are fed false and misleadin gossip. People here can make their own conclusions without you branding me as a liar, something you as an ambulance chaser lawyer should know better than stating in public without consequences.

But you are correct in that I couldn't swear in a court of law that the FBI specifically used an item supplied by the players. And you couldn't swear that they didn't. However, it shouldn't take too much for your inside man to confirm who I converse with in the US legal system.

What "attempts to mislead the board about the cabinet note"??  You mean this post (http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=63749.msg928096#msg928096) where I let you galavant yuhself before proving to you that there was no 'condition' put on the disbursement of funds to the TTFA.  The same post which you conceded was accurate and not misleading... where despite several requests you couldn't find the language dictating the "condition" that you harped on?  You actually talk to people who are involved in situations but it's clear you haven't the faintest of understandings of what you hear/see/read. 

If you feel aggrieved by me not only calling, but proving you a liar then why don't you sue me, liar?  I don't have to swear anything liar, you're the one who claimed affirmatively that the players provided information relied upon by the FBI in their prosecution of Jack.  The criminal complaint, which I conveniently linked for you in my last post (so that you can't claim that I'm 'misleading' anyone) makes clear the sources of the information against him, they went so far as to identify where the alleged monies were laundered.  No references to the WC dispute, the players or Townley... yet you have the balls to boldly claim the WC players played a role, not expecting anyone to call you on it.  Keep talking, with each passing day it's becoming clearer why you and Sancho fit in so comfortably with the den of thieves and liars that is the PP government.  Let me know if you need my address to send the court papers.
Title: Re: Oliver Camps Thread
Post by: dreamer on June 24, 2015, 06:29:44 AM
Scampito boy,
Lord have mercy on your soul ....
And please doh say "de devil made me do it" when yuh time of reckoning comes.
Title: Re: Oliver Camps Thread
Post by: Football supporter on June 24, 2015, 06:54:06 AM

Caught in yet another lie you resort to petulant name-calling.   :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: Pot, black, kettle   :rotfl: :rotfl:

Remember you haven't recovered from your attempts to mislead the board about the cabinet note yet. You see, I actually talk to people who are involved in situations whereas you are fed false and misleadin gossip. People here can make their own conclusions without you branding me as a liar, something you as an ambulance chaser lawyer should know better than stating in public without consequences.

But you are correct in that I couldn't swear in a court of law that the FBI specifically used an item supplied by the players. And you couldn't swear that they didn't. However, it shouldn't take too much for your inside man to confirm who I converse with in the US legal system.

What "attempts to mislead the board about the cabinet note"??  You mean this post (http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=63749.msg928096#msg928096) where I let you galavant yuhself before proving to you that there was no 'condition' put on the disbursement of funds to the TTFA.  The same post which you conceded was accurate and not misleading... where despite several requests you couldn't find the language dictating the "condition" that you harped on?  You actually talk to people who are involved in situations but it's clear you haven't the faintest of understandings of what you hear/see/read. 

If you feel aggrieved by me not only calling, but proving you a liar then why don't you sue me, liar?  I don't have to swear anything liar, you're the one who claimed affirmatively that the players provided information relied upon by the FBI in their prosecution of Jack.  The criminal complaint, which I conveniently linked for you in my last post (so that you can't claim that I'm 'misleading' anyone) makes clear the sources of the information against him, they went so far as to identify where the alleged monies were laundered.  No references to the WC dispute, the players or Townley... yet you have the balls to boldly claim the WC players played a role, not expecting anyone to call you on it.  Keep talking, with each passing day it's becoming clearer why you and Sancho fit in so comfortably with the den of thieves and liars that is the PP government.  Let me know if you need my address to send the court papers.

Where did I state this? the players provided information relied upon by the FBI in their prosecution of Jack.

If you're referring to this :Where do you think the FBI got details of dodgy transactions?? it just proves that you distort any statement to suit your hate agenda. But, liar, you show me where FBI have stated that they never received information from the players? The information sent would have assisted in many ways and at least saved a lot of leg work for the Bureau, including many suspicious transactions which MAY have lead to items included in the indictment such as.


 192. In fact, on January 2, 2008, January 31, 2008 and
March 7, 2008, a high-ranking FIFA official caused payments of
$616,000, $1,600,000, and $7,784,000 - totaling $10 million - to
be wired from a FIFA account in Switzerland to a Bank of America
correspondent account in New York, New York, for credit to
accounts held in the names of CFU and CONCACAF, but controlled
by the defendant JACK WARNER, at Republic Bank in Trinidad and
Tobago.
193. Soon after receiving these wire transfers, the
defendant JACK WARNER caused a substantial portion of the funds
to be diverted for his personal use. For example, on January 9,
2008, WARNER directed Republic Bank officials to apply $200,000
of the $616,000 that had been transferred into a CFU account
from FIFA one week earlier toward a personal loan account held
in his name.

Documents identifying similar activity were sent by Mike Townley to FBI.

Bakes, yuh boring meh. You sound just like your hero, Jack Warner.
Title: Re: Oliver Camps Thread
Post by: weary1969 on June 24, 2015, 10:40:05 AM
IT SSSSPPPEEEAAAKKKKSSS!!!! (c) Big Magician.....

CO-SIGNNNNNNNNN
Title: Re: Oliver Camps Thread
Post by: King Deese on June 24, 2015, 11:52:12 AM
Ex-TTFF president might lose his home...... :yellowcard: :beermug:

"He Made Me Do Wrong...." - Oliver Camps  :P :rotfl:
Title: Re: Oliver Camps Thread
Post by: asylumseeker on January 06, 2016, 04:15:27 AM
Camps daughter pleads for help.
T&T Newsday Reports.


Oliver Camps, former president of the then-Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (TTFF), is in immediate danger of losing his home as well as other assets to satisfy an approximate TT$3.8million debt owed to ex-Soca Warriors coach Wilhelmus Rijsbergen.

Camps, 84-years-old, headed the local organisation for 19 years before stepping down in 2011 following a US$40,000 cash-forvotes scandal involving Mohammed bin Hammam who was battling Sepp Blatter for president of FIFA.

In a letter to the editor, Camps daughter Sandra, described her father as as trusting fool as the TTFF was previously registered as a sole proprietorship and now her father - whose health is failing - is stuck with a huge bill.

It is not the first legal scenario Camps has been embroiled in as the former ally of ex-FIFA vice-president Jack Warner was being sued by the thirteen 2006 Soca Warriors over unpaid bonuses promised to them by ex- TT FF special Advisor Jack Warner.

The case, which spanned over seven years, saw Camps being included as a defendant but refusing a request by High Court Judge Devendra Rampersad to file a lawsuit against Warner who it was alleged was in charge of the TTFF accounts.

The Warriors finally got their money in July 2014 when ex- Prime Minister Kamla Persad- Bissessar instructed her Finance Minister to fulfil the payment with taxpayers footing the bill. In an interview with UK Channel 4 last year, Camps said Warner was like a brother to him but he made me do the wrong thing. The manager of the 1973 TT team which lost the infamous match to Haiti told the foreign media network he signed documents whenever Warner asked as I had confidence in him. In her letter to the editor, his daughter said it pained her to publicly share a matter of personal anguish to my family but is hoping some solution can be found as a result of her action.

After the Soca Warriors returned from the World Cup and coach Leo Beenhaaker left for Poland, the TT team needed to find a coach who would continue to build upon the foundation that Beenhaaker had set. The Government, still hyped from the success of the team in Germany, agreed to pay for the services of a coach (Rijsbergen) for the national team, she said.

She explained that it was based on the promises made by then Prime Minister Patrick Manning they hired the Dutchman.

As the euphoria of the 2006 World Cup faded, so too did the desire to help but by this time the TTFF had run up a hefty bill with coach Rijsbergen, which needed to be paid. The TTFF did not have that money and Oliver Camps, as its president, was taken to court by Rijsbergen. The judgment went rightly in favour of Rijsbergen. The total sum owed is US$592,475.22.

She explained: To satisfy this judgment, my father will be forced to sell the home in which he lives. This impending action is having a serious effect on his health and his state of mind. We also stand to lose the home he and my mother built and other properties that were handed down from my maternal grandparents as no single property that he owns will pay this debt. She said the TTFA and Government have not held true to their November 16, 2015 letter to settle the debt and new TTFA president David John Williams has said the local body is broke.

That my father should be forced to bear the burden of a debt that may leave him homeless, when clearly this debt belongs to the TTFA, is unbelievable. She pleaded, I ask people to remember his 42 years of service to the game of football and, by extension, to his country and reconsider this matter urgently. Do the right thing for Oliver and allow him to keep his home.

Title: Re: Oliver Camps Thread
Post by: Deeks on January 06, 2016, 08:41:34 AM
Real sad.
Title: Re: Oliver Camps Thread
Post by: Peong on January 06, 2016, 10:13:23 AM
Jack is de woss ting ever.
Sorry Ollie but yuh make yuh bed with that vampire.
Title: Re: Oliver Camps Thread
Post by: maxg on January 06, 2016, 11:28:14 AM
Jack is de woss ting ever.
Sorry Ollie but yuh make yuh bed with that vampire.
we all did...cause we wanted we name on world news and reaching world cup...and now we throwing everybody under the bus...like we had nothing to do with it... his (Camps) mistake was when the spell was broken he still operated on principle and his word..
Title: Re: Oliver Camps Thread
Post by: injunchile on January 06, 2016, 12:26:54 PM
I know how hard Ollie and his wife worked to build a good home. A decent man who fell for Jack Warner promises. jack had a spell over this man to do his bidding.  Overseas trips  and entitlement clouded his judgment
 His heart was in the right place re T&T football and he gave his everything to see T&T make a World Cup
 What a price to pay . But as a fellow poster said- How you make your bed you lie on it.
Title: Re: Oliver Camps Thread
Post by: Flex on January 07, 2016, 05:48:24 AM
No bailout for Camps.
By Sean Taylor (Express).


There will be no bailout for former president of local footballs governing body Oliver Camps who is faced with footing a bill of TT $3.8 million in outstanding salaries owed to former national coach Wim Rijsbergen. At least not from the government at this time.

Yesterday, Darryl Smith, the Minister of Sport and Youth Affairs made it clear that the money will have to be sourced by the Trinidad and Tobago Football Association (TTFA) and not the government.

In a letter released on Tuesday to the media, his daughter Sandra Camps indicated that the then-named Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (TTFF) ran up a bill after the 2006 World Cup in Germany, which remained outstanding leading to the Dutch coach taking Oliver Camps to court.

Title: Tim-Kee: Help Camps through Government subvention
Post by: Tallman on January 07, 2016, 07:28:08 AM
Tim-Kee: Help Camps through Government subvention
By Stephon Nicholas (T&T Newsday)


Former Trinidad and Tobago Football Association (TTFA) president Raymond Tim Kee says he is deeply concerned with the current financial predicament of ex-football administrator Oliver Camps.

Tim Kee revealed he had approached Minister of Sport Darryl Smith late last year to find a solution for the veteran who headed the local football body for 19 years.

Camps, 84-years-old, is currently facing a mammoth US$592,475 bill owed to ex-national mens coach Wilhelmus Wim Rijsbergen for the period 2006-2007 for his services.

He is scheduled to return to court on January 21 after a judge ruled in favour of the Dutch coach.

Camps daughter, Sandra, has pleaded with the TTFA and Government to help her father who will be forced to sell his home to pay the salary of the former Soca Warriors coach. Camps was stuck with the bill as the then-Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (TTFF) was registered as the sole proprietorship.

In the latter part of last year it was brought to my attention and its really a sad situation, Tim Kee said yesterday. The Port-of-Spain Mayor believes Camps was a man who would support people blindly but did it out of the goodness of his heart. He also thinks Camps should not be left in this dire situation at this age in life.

What I told the Minister then was that out of our subvention see what we can do to assist to get him off the books. He was a dedicated and blind supporter but we have to help him. I understand they (TTFA/Government) have refused to assist and I find that callous and unfair. Tim Kee said when he came into office in December 2012, he met the organisation $38 million in debt and 128 creditors.

He said it was his policy to attempt to settle several of the debts including the 2006 Soca Warriors who he paid $1.5 million towards chipping away at what was owed.

One of Tim Kees last acts as president was facilitating the payment of another former coach Russell Latapy for his salaries which totalled US$1 million (2009-2011).

Asked how he expected the TTFA to conduct its day-to-day affairs while its subventions went to Latapy and Camps, Tim Kee said, I dont like unfairness. Before I left we had agreed with a major corporate entity who was going to sponsor us. So I knew where money was going to come from. Tim Kee added that the TTFA had also initiated several income- generating ventures through its website and online store but he is not optimistic that these projects will survive. He said the previously interested corporate client is not keen on partnering with the TTFA again as he is no longer president and it was their trust of him that was important.
Title: Re: Oliver Camps Thread
Post by: Sando on January 07, 2016, 09:29:11 AM
So why didn't Tim Kee pay him when he was there?

Tim Kee is such a two face.

Everyone neglecting the mention that they should all go after Jack Warner instead.

Tim Kee talking about  sponsor he was getting over 3 years now.

His online store he and Sheldon paid his son over 10,000 US to build is still not working, the store is close, I had to buy a shirt from Amazon.

Tim kee has a lot of properties, he should give Camps one if he so concern.

Oliver Camps is no fool, he knew what he did and now he is paying the price.

You can't tell me he didn't know anything about Jack books?

When the players went on strike, what did Camps do?

Darryl Smith is another fool also, how is this a matter of the TTFA and will have to be sourced by the Trinidad and Tobago Football Association (TTFA) and not the government?

Title: Re: Oliver Camps Thread
Post by: Peong on January 07, 2016, 10:57:21 AM
Jack is de woss ting ever.
Sorry Ollie but yuh make yuh bed with that vampire.
we all did...cause we wanted we name on world news and reaching world cup...and now we throwing everybody under the bus...like we had nothing to do with it... his (Camps) mistake was when the spell was broken he still operated on principle and his word..

Nah man. Ollie, the TTFF president at the time, is far more culpable.
What power did the average Joe have?
Title: Re: Oliver Camps Thread
Post by: vb on January 07, 2016, 01:09:59 PM
I'm sorry to say this but Ollie made his bed.

Those fellas knew what they were doing allowed Jack unfettered interference and enjoyed the ride.

This was JW's number one stooge, why JW doh foot the bill for him.

VB
Title: Re: Oliver Camps Thread
Post by: Tallman on January 07, 2016, 05:37:17 PM
WATCH: Pressure is mounting and time is running out as former TTFF president Oliver Camps faces decision day on January 21st. His daughter, Dr Sandra Camps, visited CNC3 saying her father risks losing his home as well as other assets to satisfy an approximated $3.8 million debt owed to ex-Soca Warriors coach Wilhelmus Rijsbergen.

https://www.youtube.com/v/tEUdaCkJB8k
Title: Re: Oliver Camps Thread
Post by: Deeks on January 07, 2016, 05:59:30 PM
I understand they (TTFA/Government) have refused to assist and I find that callous and unfair. Tim Kee said

RTK, please doh gih we that. Jack Warner was running TTFF. He is the elephant in the room. Quite conveniently, he let Ollie Camps be the fall guy. The finger and focus should be pointed to Jack Warner.
Title: Re: Oliver Camps Thread
Post by: Sam on January 07, 2016, 07:57:26 PM
If is one thing David John Williams, listen to this.

Let de f00cker bleed.

Doh pay him a red cent and you know Camps know that saying pretty well, Jack Warner told de 06 Warriors de same and Camps was smiling in de background.

He daughter look like a hound and acting like she eh know what she fadda and de biggest crook in T&T did.

Why she doh go and ask Jack !!!

When de horse was high, they use to piss on people.

F00ck him.

This is not life or death, he go lose he home, so, go live with in yuh daughter house.

Title: End this travesty now
Post by: Tallman on January 09, 2016, 09:08:42 PM
End this travesty now
T&T Express


I am very disappointed, but not surprised, that no one in power, or who could influence those in power, is willing to grant Oliver Camps a reprieve.

Oliver Camps is about to lose his home and all his life savings because of debts incurred by the Trinidad and Tobago Football Association (TTFA). This debt was never guaranteed by Ollie Camps, nor was he the owner of the association.

Ollie was the president of TTFA. And it appears that he alone was charged by the courts with the responsibility of settling a debt owed to a foreign coach who had been dismissed by the association back in 2008.

I have no doubt that the association's debt is valid, but I am at a loss to understand how the former president becomes solely liable for its settlement. However, that is water under the bridge. The local courts have apparently ruled that Ollie must pay several hundred thousand US dollars to the fired coach, and the courts of the land will seize everything Ollie has ever owned to settle this debt in part.

And we, the people, the State, the business community, sporting bodies, our own footballers, are just sitting down, waiting for a life savings and work to be seized from a humble man who is now in his 80s.

Ollie Camps has served this country, served us well and over many years. He received no wealth for his service, but he was at the forefront of some of our great sporting moments. Ollie was team manager of the outstanding football team which was robbed in Haiti of the right to play in the 1974 World Cup in West Germany. He was team manager of the famous Strike Squad of 1989, the team which so lifted our country's pride as they almost qualified for the 1990 World Cup in Italy. He, as a member of that team, was awarded the Chaconia Medal.

Ollie became president of TTFA around 1994. He did not seek the responsibility; he was asked to take it. He, as president, helped to take T&T to World Cup 2006 in Germany.

The TTFA incurred huge debts in getting to the World Cup; they (TTFA) also saw our Under-20 and Under-17 teams qualify for world cups, and our various women's teams almost qualify. Various governments have settled all, or almost all, of these debts to date. Why not Ollie's? Ollie certainly had no personal financial gain from his service to us.

How come governments can secretly settle the claims of all sorts of foreigners and wealthy locals who placed, or hid, their millions in CLICO, these people who had never given service to their country as Ollie had done?

I cannot call upon this Government to settle this debt because I have been persona non grata to the PNM (People's National Movement) since the 1980s, but I call upon the rest of youespecially those of you who know well how to call prime ministers or other ministers when you need favours for yourselves or your companiesto call and get a reprieve for Oliver Camps. You got it for yourselves when you collected your secret CLICO dollars, now do it for someone who served us and was part of some of our proudest moments.

Shame on all of us if we let them seize Oliver Camps' home!

Peter O'Connor
Cascade
Title: Re: Oliver Camps Thread
Post by: Deeks on January 09, 2016, 11:01:08 PM
Peter, in this entire article, you eh mention the elephant in the room?
Title: Re: Oliver Camps Thread
Post by: asylumseeker on January 10, 2016, 06:00:18 AM
Peter, in this entire article, you eh mention the elephant in the room?

Because the elephant is on the endangered species list and is unable to assist in the cause.
Title: Re: Oliver Camps Thread
Post by: Deeks on January 10, 2016, 08:45:44 AM
Peter, in this entire article, you eh mention the elephant in the room?

Because the elephant is on the endangered species list and is unable to assist in the cause.

Nice one dey, Breds!
Title: Re: Oliver Camps Thread
Post by: sjahrain on January 10, 2016, 09:09:15 AM
When he was on high being bamboozled by the special assviser,he did not calculate when the show was found to be hateful,the fall from grace will eventually break him
After joy comes sorrow
I feel your pain but no pity for you young man
There is a saying : Show me your friends and I will you who you are
Once in sometime you feel justice is being severed when people on twitterhigh gets the shaft,now maybe some will toe the line,in knowing they do not own it but are only custodians
Rastafari
Title: Re: Oliver Camps Thread
Post by: dreamer on January 10, 2016, 05:01:39 PM
Very very interesting developments with the infamous Scampito, former sidekick of the soon-to-be extradited & internationally sought Uncle Jackulito, aka Renraw. A good many months ago, maybe a couple years ago, there had been brief mention of the initial chapters of the Scampito, TTFF, financial worries saga, but then the story mysteriously went seemingly completely off the radar, while Uncle Tim, as some would say, efficiently managed the TTFF business (name curiously changed to TTFA).

Meanwhile, we now hear hot off the press, this very interesting detailed report from the daughter of Scampito that her dad is in serious financial distress, close to losing his home. Thanks to a lawsuit from Whim Rhisbergen. Scampito's good buddy Renraw, with known deep pockets for his friends, apparently was not a source of financial relief. Alarmingly, the daughter explained that Uncle Tim, ... get this, while managing a reported totally broke federation incapable of paying coaches, had made arrangements, to best of our our knowledge not known to the football loving public, maybe not to MOS, to pay Scampito some whoppin millions straight out of the TTFA funds. These monies were to be diverted, not-so-honestly from subventions from the national Sports Ministry. Huhyuhyai!!! Shocking!! It makes one wonder if these where the things on Uncle Tims mind before the TTFA elections, when he refused to volunteer financial records for the TTFA, and had the boldfaceness and disrespect to hand over the presidency after the AGM without an effin' audit. Well I hope the long overdue audit that DJW promised in just months, c/w years long absence with Uncle Tim, will shed light on this mafia operation and missing or misdirected monies.

What a TTFA bobol shocker, and only coming to light because one of the boys got caught holding the bag. I feel no sorrow for Scampito. All his friends could write all the articles in the world saying how much of a nice good mate he is, but history is showing that the chickens are coming home to roost and they looking to let Scampito be the Rotisserie chicken. Many say let Scampito bleed as his presumed sworn secrecy with Jackulito, Uncle Tim, Rodent and others is now proven to be counterproductive and hurting him where it hurts most. In de pocket, big time. He could be given a bligh if he would defect from this Mafia, and exposed the secrets of the local cosa nostra but that might be dangerous from him.

All I can say is we will be watching. Lasana, we need your investigative scoop skills here. This story is big, so much so that ah feel AG Loretta watching. Is Horner dey to shed some light?
Title: Re: Oliver Camps Thread
Post by: Bally on January 10, 2016, 05:05:42 PM
Why Jack ant pay the money for him ?
Title: Rising to Camps cause
Post by: Tallman on January 11, 2016, 07:46:53 AM
Rising to Camps cause
T&T Express Editorial


THE absurdity of national football administration is vividly expressed in the dire financial situation in which Oliver Camps, former president of the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (TTFF), now known as the T&T Football Association (TTFA), has found himself.

With judgment returned against him, Mr Camps is now personally responsible for paying the salary debt of $3.8 million owed to former national coach Wim Rijsbergen for the period after the 2006 World Cup.

Mr Campss personal liability in this matter is the result of the legal construct of the TTFF as a sole proprietorship, one of the many bizarre legal strategies adopted in football administration during the Jack Warner era. It boggles the mind why Mr Camps agreed to assume such an onerous financial responsibility but he must have been reasonably confident about his position in doing so. Clearly, neither he nor those around him were anticipating the global shocks that would bring down FIFAs topmost hierarchy, including Mr Warner, dramatically altering the landscape of football administration in this country.

At another time, Mr Camps might have been confident of some solution to the court ruling by the very Mr Warner in his role as special adviser to the TTFF. In 2016, the football world is radically different. The TTFAs new administration led by David John Williams is struggling to find money to pay national footballers who have already threatened to withhold their services due to non-payment for games going back to last August. The Ministry of Sport, which Mr Warner insists should pay Mr Campss debt on the basis of a 2006 assurance by then-prime minister Patrick Manning, has distanced itself from such responsibility saying it belongs to the TTFA. In the midst of the buck-passing, Mr Campss family and friends have issued public appeals on his behalf, crying shame on those who would have him pushed to the point of selling his home to pay a debt incurred in the service of national football.

While the courts ruling makes it clear that the legal obligation in this matter falls squarely on Mr Camps, the moral obligation for this debt extends well beyond him into the games other stakeholders. This is the context in which a collective effort should be made in the interest of relieving Mr Camps of the burden that he, admittedly, unwisely chose to accept in 2006.

As the ultimate authority for the national management of sport, the Ministry of Sport must take the lead in brokering a solution.

We urge Minister Darryl Smith to summon the TTFA and representatives of private sector corporate entities whose flags flew highest when the Soca Warriors were being hailed as the tiniest toast of Germany. Together, they should have the ability to negotiate some formula on behalf of a football elder who has served at the highest level. As the individual most responsible for this situation, Jack Warner should not wait to be asked for a financial contribution to Mr Camps. But no one will be holding their breath.
Title: Re: Oliver Camps Thread
Post by: dreamer on January 11, 2016, 10:39:03 AM
Horner ah hear yuh plan to make a big donation for Scampito's debt and financial troubles, daiz true?
Btw, anybody hear Jackilito's spin on this story. Haven't read the Sunshine paper in a while.
Title: Re: Oliver Camps Thread
Post by: Bakes on January 11, 2016, 10:59:42 AM
Dreamer, this dancing on the man's grave is unbecoming, even for you.
Title: Re: Oliver Camps Thread
Post by: Flex on January 14, 2016, 02:53:31 AM
TTFA to approach Latapy to save Camps house.
By Walter Alibey (Guardian).


Russell Latapy, the ex-T&T midfielder can be the one to spare former president of the T&T Football Federation (TTFF), now the T&T Football Association (T&TFA), the embarrassment of losing his house and other properties from the courts.

Camps who was the sole proprietor of the TTFF when it entered into a contract with coach, Dutchman Whelmus Wim Rijsbergen in 2006/2007, has now been stock with the debt after the then TTFF could not honour its commitment. But Camps daughter Sandra Camps who has been fighting the case for her ailing father, yesterday received a number of suggestions from Minister of Sports Darryl Smith, that can help her save her fathers properity.

Camps told the Guardian that a suggestion was made for the cash-strapped football federation to approach Latapy, to have his payments for salaries deferred and subventions to be used to pay the organisations outstanding debt to coach Rijsbergent. Like Rijsbergen, Latapy known popularly as The Little Magician had been in a battle for monies owed to him by the said football association for a long time now.

However his battle which started in 2009, came to an end when Minister Smith intervened and decided to settle the agreement between him and the TTFA by paying more than half the bill. The TTFA is expected to pay the remaining amount from the subventions given to them from government.

The suggestion was made on the basis of the Camps family now facing some six days before the court swoops down and seizes their properties and because of the fact that the matter is in the domain of the court.

Camps (Sandra) explained that Rijsbergen had been reluctant to negotiate with her or the football association as he feels unfairly treated by the move to pay Latapy before him, although he has been lobbying for payment since 2006/7, two years before the veteran midfielder maestro.

Smith was expected to contact new president of the TTFA David John-Williams yesterday to inform him of the request, Camps (Sandra) said, but when reached on his cellphone, John-Williams said he could not respond as he was not contacted by anyone to make such a request.

Another suggestion made by the minister according to Camps (Sandra), is for the football association to represent Camps on the issue by providing him or his ministry with an official letter outlining the situation and their intention to assist him through their subvention.

According to Camps, the minister said he had not been approached or written to by either John-Williams or the ex TTFA boss Raymond Tim Kee about the matter, which Camps (Sandra) said was a surprise to her.

The T&T Guardian was told that arrangements had been made by the ex-president for monies from the subvention to be used to help clear Camps (Olivers) debt. But this never came as Tim Kee was voted out in November last year and monies from the subvention were used to pay salaries for Latapy, salaries for Womens coach Even Pelleruud, match fees for the Soca Warriors and to send the teams on international outings.

Title: Re: Oliver Camps Thread
Post by: asylumseeker on January 14, 2016, 07:14:38 AM
In this matter, it is generally difficult to separate the tragedy of errors from the comedy of errors ... but the personalities involved are making that analysis easier day by day. The solution to this really cyah be to guilt trip Latas into saving Camps from Wim.

Title: Re: Oliver Camps Thread
Post by: Sam on January 14, 2016, 07:15:17 AM
Camps, go suck ah hard boil egg nah.

Yuh asking de wrong person, axe Jack !!!

Title: Re: Oliver Camps Thread
Post by: sjahrain on January 14, 2016, 07:59:22 AM
Sam you are the man
Jokes yes
I still laffing
Title: Re: Oliver Camps Thread
Post by: dreamer on January 14, 2016, 08:37:54 AM
Shocking that not a word from Renraw, at least not that I've heard.
When the pain gets shared around football circles, then there might be quicker galvanization for collective action and shared sacrifice to help Scampito.
What is astounding is how Uncle Jackulito could leave his decades-long right hand man to twist in the wind so. Nobody saying a word. Daiz de elephant in de room.
Latas, I say watch yuh back in thinking of taking this all on your back without any word / help from Scampito's supposed real friends in the football fraternity. You on yuh own as that money may never be seen again and is monkey smoke yuh pipe until an election makes you relevant.
Help I feel may come at the last minute from unexpected sources.
Lasana please do something to delve into these topics being treated with deafening silence.
Title: Bassarath starts petition to help Camps
Post by: Tallman on January 20, 2016, 10:46:29 AM
Bassarath starts petition to help Camps
T&T Newsday


A MOVE is afoot to galvanise the public into contributing to a fund which is being set up to prevent former president of the Trinidad and Tobago Football Association (TTFA) Oliver Camps from losing his house and other personal assets.

Camps, now in his 80s and seriously ill, has been given until January 21 by the High Court to come up with $3.8 million to pay Dutchman Wim Risjbergen after the ex-Soca Warriors coach took legal action against the TT FA to secure outstanding salary.

Now after Dr Sandra Camps, the daughter of the former Maritime General Insurance Company director has written to the daily newspapers making public her fathers unfortunate plight, one prominent sports official has come forward with a plan to help the sports administrator.

On Tuesday, president of the Trinidad and Tobago Cricket Board Azim Bassarath said he was willing to place the resources of the national sports organisation to solicit donations and erase the debt owed.

Bassarath said he felt that it was unfair and underserving of Camps to inherit a debt of the TT FA which has placed in great danger his property and assets, which he has worked hard to acquire throughout his life.

The cricket chief also said he was very concerned about the toll the long legal process and the consequences have had on the health and mental faculties of Camps, who according to his daughter have rendered him bedridden.

The plan outlined by Bassarath would entail a contribution of $1,000 by at least 4,000 persons, corporate entities, business organisations and the like which would adequately cover the amount of the court judgment.

He has also suggested any extra funds derived from the campaign could be donated to Camps to take care of his health concerns.

I am calling on everyone who love sports, not only football or cricket, to show where their hearts are. This situation appeals to our humanity for a man who has spent more than half a century in the service of sport, having been the president of the national football organisation, is regarded as our most successful national team manager and has been a long-serving member of the legendary Harvard Club, said Bassarath. Camps problems originated from a promissory note he signed as president of the TT FA for $480,000 (US) to secure the services of Risjbergen, after the historic 2006 World Cup where the former top Dutch defender was assistant to team coach and countryman Leo Beenhakker.

Bassarath said the TT CB, which he heads, will be guided by the response of the public to his humanitarian appeal, with the objective of creating a bank account where donations can be accepted for the Oliver Camps Fund, which will be administrated by delegated officers of the Cricket Board to ensure transparency and accountability.

We are looking at encouraging all the other national sports organisations to play an important role, as well as the general public who support and love sports to make a tangible effort to help a fellow human being, a well-loved and trusted sports administrator who has served this country well over the years. It is the least we can do if we all come together and contribute what is a small amount in the general scheme of things, said Bassarath
Title: Re: Oliver Camps Thread
Post by: pull stones on January 20, 2016, 11:58:39 AM
is jack warner's assets ceased, why isn't warner coming to the aid of good pal and confidant? i am on the fence on this one. a part of me wants him to suffer for the ineptitude of his tenure by thumping football into the ground and feeling the pain that we the fans and the players felt, and there's the other part of me that doesn't want to see a senior citizen out in the cold. this is indeed a perplexing situation.
Title: Re: Oliver Camps Thread
Post by: jusbless on January 20, 2016, 12:54:53 PM
All this petition for help for oliver camps,
is it actually warranted . How much money from the TTFA has he benefitted from. If you enjoyed the spoils when everything was blooming , why should you not face the downfall. The idea that oliver camps was hoodwinked suggest to me that we had a fool at the helm of TTFA and he is no fool. I understand public sympathy but it should go to those who deserve it . Cause basically we are saying he should not pay for the decisions he made if that is used for Oliver Camps it should apply to everyone else.
Title: Re: Oliver Camps Thread
Post by: R45 on January 20, 2016, 03:37:44 PM
Steups, people are so easy to turn an eye on white collar crime. Camps aided all the other crooks for decades, turning a blind eye and allowing himself to remain the figurehead/front for all the theft happening with both government (tax, your money and mine) as well as other dollars.

He should lose his house. Frankly he should also be in jail (along with Jack and company), but we all know nothing happens to white collar criminals in T&T (well by this story, they end up getting crowdfunded by the public). We have a real dysfunctional society.
Title: Re: Oliver Camps Thread
Post by: Bakes on January 20, 2016, 05:57:21 PM
Bassarath starts petition to help Camps
T&T Newsday


A MOVE is afoot to galvanise the public into contributing to a fund which is being set up to prevent former president of the Trinidad and Tobago Football Association (TTFA) Oliver Camps from losing his house and other personal assets.

Camps, now in his 80s and seriously ill, has been given until January 21 by the High Court to come up with $3.8 million to pay Dutchman Wim Risjbergen after the ex-Soca Warriors coach took legal action against the TT FA to secure outstanding salary.

Now after Dr Sandra Camps, the daughter of the former Maritime General Insurance Company director has written to the daily newspapers making public her fathers unfortunate plight, one prominent sports official has come forward with a plan to help the sports administrator.

On Tuesday, president of the Trinidad and Tobago Cricket Board Azim Bassarath said he was willing to place the resources of the national sports organisation to solicit donations and erase the debt owed.

Bassarath said he felt that it was unfair and underserving of Camps to inherit a debt of the TT FA which has placed in great danger his property and assets, which he has worked hard to acquire throughout his life.

The cricket chief also said he was very concerned about the toll the long legal process and the consequences have had on the health and mental faculties of Camps, who according to his daughter have rendered him bedridden.

The plan outlined by Bassarath would entail a contribution of $1,000 by at least 4,000 persons, corporate entities, business organisations and the like which would adequately cover the amount of the court judgment.

He has also suggested any extra funds derived from the campaign could be donated to Camps to take care of his health concerns.

I am calling on everyone who love sports, not only football or cricket, to show where their hearts are. This situation appeals to our humanity for a man who has spent more than half a century in the service of sport, having been the president of the national football organisation, is regarded as our most successful national team manager and has been a long-serving member of the legendary Harvard Club, said Bassarath. Camps problems originated from a promissory note he signed as president of the TT FA for $480,000 (US) to secure the services of Risjbergen, after the historic 2006 World Cup where the former top Dutch defender was assistant to team coach and countryman Leo Beenhakker.

Bassarath said the TT CB, which he heads, will be guided by the response of the public to his humanitarian appeal, with the objective of creating a bank account where donations can be accepted for the Oliver Camps Fund, which will be administrated by delegated officers of the Cricket Board to ensure transparency and accountability.

We are looking at encouraging all the other national sports organisations to play an important role, as well as the general public who support and love sports to make a tangible effort to help a fellow human being, a well-loved and trusted sports administrator who has served this country well over the years. It is the least we can do if we all come together and contribute what is a small amount in the general scheme of things, said Bassarath

This is the right thing to do.
Title: Re: Oliver Camps Thread
Post by: Flex on January 21, 2016, 02:47:01 AM
Day of decision for Camps.
T&T Guardian Reports.


Former president of the T&T Football Federation (TTFF), Oliver Camps, will know today whether his properties will be seized, due to his inability to honour a commitment to pay salaries to former national coach Wim Rijsbergen in 2006/2007.

The Guardian understands that lawyers will be seeking a second extension after a previous 21-day stay was given on November 16, last year.

However, Rijsbergens fees of approximately $3.8 million were not met.

Dutchman Rijsbergen, who took over the Soca Warriors team from his countryman Leo Beenhakker, is said to be reluctant to seek any compromise with the T&T Football Association (TTFA), the current governing body for football here in T&T.

Camps daughter, Sandra, told the Guardian she is reluctant to seek an extension as she feels her plight will be ignored, since she does not have a good reason to convince the prosecuting lawyer.

We will just have to wait and see how it goes today. I have been praying everyday and hoping someone can come to my assistance, she said.

Camps is being represented by Attorney Russell Huggins while her father is being represented by Robin Montano.

Al Roberts and Company, through its representative Shastri Roberts, have been fighting Rijsbergens case.

The move to save Camps properties took a new twist on Tuesday after president of the T&T Cricket Board (TTCB) Azim Bassarath revealed he was mobilising the public into contributing to a fund to help the former national football team manager, commonly referred to as Red Eric.

The local cricket boss explained he will use his resources at the board to obtain $1,000 from at least 4,000 persons, corporate entities and business organisations to cover the court judgement.

Bassarath is also suggesting that additional funds accumulated from the campaign be given to the former football president to cover medical bills.

Sandra said her fathers health was heading downwards, particularly due to the court order.

Camps friend and football colleague Jack Warner, who was special adviser of the football federation at the time, has promised to help.

Camps dilemma followed a decision to register the TTFA in his name as the sole proprietor, and followed promises from then Prime Minister Patrick Manning to pay salaries to the national coach, which never materialised.

Neither the Ministry of Sport, nor the governing T&TFA, have offered to help, although sports minister Darryl Smith, has agreed to pay salaries to Russell Latapy who enjoyed a stint as coach without much success.

Title: Re: Oliver Camps Thread
Post by: Deeks on January 21, 2016, 10:43:29 PM
Camps friend and football colleague Jack Warner, who was special adviser of the football federation at the time, has promised to help.


What a load of nonsense. 'colleague Jack warner????'.
Title: Re: Oliver Camps Thread
Post by: Flex on January 22, 2016, 05:52:25 AM
Public should not have to payCamps.
By Walter Alibey (Guardian).


I will sell my property

Disappointed over governments refusal to pay the salaries of ex Soca Warriors coach Dutchman Wim Rijsbergen, Oliver Camps, the former president of the T&T Football Federation has agreed to sell a property to clear the debt. His decision comes on the day that the court was expected to rule on whether his properties should be sold to clear a debt of approximately $3.8 million.

Lennox Sankarsingh, legal representative for the T&T Cricket Board, was expected to lobby for an extension on the payment of the funds to Rijsbergen. Attorney Russell Huggins, who represented Camps daughter Sandra, presented a promise that something would be sold to erase the debt. She said her father believes it is wrong for the public to pay the debt.

The Camps are hoping that the sale of a property will cover the amount ordered by the court, but Sandra added if the sale did not reach the required amount, they will decide what they should do then. Sandra explained that close to $1 million of the debt owing to Rijsbergen was accumulated through taxes and she is hoping that government can waive this.

From the total that we were given to pay, about $1 million was accumulated through tax, so I am now hoping government can waive the tax so that we can pay off the bill.

She recently approached sports minister Darryl Smith who could not provide assistance and will be seeking an audience with Prime Minister Dr Keith Rowley to advance her fathers concerns. She explained that her father expressed his disappointment in the governments reluctance to clear a bill that they promised to pay.

In 2006/2007, a verbal agreement was made by then Prime Minister Patrick Manning to pay the salaries for the Dutch coach, which was why Camps took the initiative of hiring Rijsbergen. Because of legal complications, the TTFA was registered as a sole proprietor under Camps name.

In an effort to assist the former football administrator, president of the T&T Cricket Board Azim Bassarath, on Monday offered to raise close to $400,000 to help pay the bill.

Camps did not want to comment this.

Sandra took a swipe at critics who have been saying that her father benefitted financially from the football federation.

My father did not benefit financially from the TTFF. He went abroad on official business for the federation and he may have allowed people to do things that they should not have done, but my father is an honest man and if I knew that he had benefitted from the TTFF, then I would be the first to say that he should accept the consequences, she ended.

Meanwhile, there will be no further extension for former Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation, president Oliver Camps to pay outstanding fees owing to former national coach Wim Risjbergen.

Camps, who has serviced football and sports administration for over 40 years, had signed a promissory note for US$480,000, which amounts to approximately TT$3.8 million, on behalf of the then TTFF for the services of Dutch coach Wim Risjbergen.

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Property to be sold
By JOEL BAILEY (Newsday).


FORMER TRINIDAD and Tobago Football Federation (TT FF) now TT Football Association president Oliver Camps and his family will have to sell a property to offset a $3.8 million debt to ex-TT football team coach Wilhelmus Wim Rijsbergen.

Camps daughter, Dr Sandra Camps, in a telephone interview yesterday evening, revealed that the decision was taken earlier in the day at the High Court, Portof- Spain.

The ex-TT FF president and national team manager had until yesterday to give a detailed account of how he intended to satisfy the court judgement after the former Dutch defender pursued legal action against the local governing football body to secure outstanding salary.

According to Dr Camps, we had to promise that we will sell a property to cover the debt, or try to cover most of the debt.

It will have to be decided on, she lamented, one of two (properties) that (we) have. The daughter of the former Harvard Sports Club president said that she is unaware if the parties (Camps attorneys Russell Huggins and Robin Montano; and Rijsbergens lawyers Al Roberts and Company) will have to return to court to fight the matter.

However, she commented, we have to promise the monies to (Rijsbergens) lawyers. We will have to pay his lawyers, who will have to pay him. Admitting that the former administrator is holding up as best as he could, under these circumstances, Dr Camps denounced a recent report, which indicated that the ex-TT FF boss was bedridden as a result of the strain caused by the legal matter.

It is not true that hes bedridden, she fumed. I was very upset. My father is becoming forgetful, maybe (he is) in the early stages of dementia, that runs very badly in our family. The thing about him being bedridden is untrue. With regards to assistance on the matter, Dr Camps said, (former TT FF special advisor Jack) Warner did pledge to help financially, the exact amount I cant say.

I was told by the Minister of Sport that (the Government) cannot help because that will be opening up a Pandoras Box, she continued. I attempted to get on to the Prime Minister but was unsuccessful.

Title: Re: Oliver Camps Thread
Post by: King Deese on January 22, 2016, 10:56:40 AM
"I will sell my property"- Oliver Camps

Ok. Sell the damn thing. What are you waiting on?

" My father went abroad on ttff official business and he may have allowed other people to do things they should not have done".  Sandra Camps.

Let me see if I get this right. I am the head of a murderous gang. My lieutenants commit mass murder, killing women and children in the process. I should not be held responsible for their actions because I was in Paris on official gang business the nature of which I and my daughter are aware of, but cannot divulge because of legal ramifications, by her own admission, so don't waste our time with your nonsense, I am not responsible for their actions even though I allowed it to happen.

And yes, even though the Government under Manning promised to pay the coach and Jackolito promise to help, financially, I am holding the Government responsible for helping but Jackolito gets a waiver on his promise. I need all of you to understand that my father is in the early stages of dementia, also, Wim should not be paid the interest that have accrued after all this time, we want to rob him of that extra milli.

The fruit doesn't fall far from the tree.

Meanwhile, back at the ranch, Richard "the fat rat" Frozen, Jackolito "the ugly one" Prime Monster, Tiny Tim, and the hidden few, have already ridden off into the sunset with Olivia's looot to live happily ever after.

Title: Re: Oliver Camps Thread
Post by: maxg on January 22, 2016, 01:51:16 PM
that's how you see it ? murder and thing is as normal as underhanded business dealings in a corrupted football business dealings..ok. State of our Nation.  I hope yuh wa sjust trying to be funny and not an actual belief.

So we know who the real criminal is, but we cyah touch him, so Peter must pay for Paul. and that's cool ?  shameless..

Yet Clico, Tarouba, Airport, Basketball (Shaq), Nicki, flag, construction etc etc all kinda white collars actually snatch the purse outta granny and kids hands, we hold the thieves..but dem doh have to pay nothing, we not seizing and selling nothing. Cause we did actually know what they was doing - @#%# we, not no foreigners and we was liking it...  smh

Say. what..maybe i feeling this way cause i know the man since ah small, and remember how he used to be running down trying to help ppl organize football. Carry on TT...next !



 
Title: Re: Oliver Camps Thread
Post by: weary1969 on January 23, 2016, 09:59:32 PM
That cricket fella who thanked Mother India when he was first elected I expect nothing else from him. As for me not 1 red Guyanese cent.
Title: Re: Oliver Camps Thread
Post by: dcs on January 28, 2016, 04:25:46 PM
i95.5 have something now on it.
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Jack is de woss ting ever.
Sorry Ollie but yuh make yuh bed with that vampire.
we all did...cause we wanted we name on world news and reaching world cup...and now we throwing everybody under the bus...like we had nothing to do with it... his (Camps) mistake was when the spell was broken he still operated on principle and his word..
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