Excellent JOURNALISM by Lasana here. This guy gets my respect more and more.
We are seeing a recurring theme which will surprise no one as it has been in use for a long time.
1 - Warner has links to everything...ticketing, TV rights, etc.
2 - Once again a threat that T&T cannot make it's commitments if the TTFF don't get more money
3 - Everybody involved goes mum when questioned.
After being in a position to pretty much call the cards with his financial backing of T&T throughout the campaign, Jack's apparent greed appears to have offset even that position of strength into one of liability. Which makes one realize that even the "smartest" of people can be downright dotish when they ready.
But who is me to call anybody dotish anyway? I and many others have been turning a blind eye to all these goings on as long as we have some success on the field. If is anybody who dotish, is me.
Wonder what Spalk will have to say about all these allegations?
So tell meh nah,when Warner say he give 17m to de football team and so on and he give dis and dat,who money he really giving to de team ?
FIFA IS AH COMPLETE MAFIA
...the economics of the situation will show that demand will way outstrip supply - but given that we do live in a free market economy - it opens up avenues for businessmen to capitalise - something that yes, Jack Warner is shrewdly arranging and cleverly proceeding with. It also means that some consumers will be priced out of the market because other consumers are willing to pay a premium for consumption of that product, and thus prices will follow - that's from my book on common sense.
Thus, the question then becomes, how much is it worth to you to see TT play in Germany?
Are you willing to put aside bias and go regardless, even if it means paying a "criminal" price for tickets?
eBay and the rest of the ticket brokers and scalpers should be in prime form once the redistribution of TST is awarded - will Jack's ... umm Maureen's package seem more attractive at that point?
You and I are in a business where we see people refinance their homes to go to the Superbowl in February .... and that's a once a year opportunity.
Ha Truetrini .. Merry Christmas to you too.
I still maintain my position on recognition for Jack Warner's unwavering support of the Sr. Football Team. He put HIS money where his mouth is. That's not changing if that was what you would expect - so no stocking stuffers there for you.
Jack indeed put his money where his mouth is. He also puts his foot where his mouth is. It seems that he also stuffs something in your stockings. His unwavering support is for Jack and Jack's family..not for T&T football. Get it straight.
However, I will give you a little trinket and voice my displeasure on the ticket monopoly. Well just like you - and the rest of the forumites, I do have to pay for my tickets regardless of all the "supposed" connections I have with the Warner's and TTFA... F. ;)
Hence, if push comes to shove in the next three weeks and the tickets I thought I would receive all of a sudden becomes unavailable, I will be forking over my USD $5K to sit in Category 2 type seats come next June.
I absolutely refuse to pay Jack Warner one red cent for the tickets! Every other Federation is making a profit. Is the TTFF making any profit? NOPE! Jack Warner is the one who continues to handsomely profit from T&T Football to the detriment of the development of the sport and the players! The only connection you have to the TTFF is your political support to the UNC and as Jack is your UNC saviour..well we all know he doh give ah Jack about anyone. He is high handed, despotic and downright unethical. Yet you turn a blind eye. Why is dat? I have a theory,,but I will discuss that privately ;)
Even though the WC is a unique experience, made moreso by our debut on the World footballing stage - the economics of the situation will show that demand will way outstrip supply - but given that we do live in a free market economy - it opens up avenues for businessmen to capitalise - something that yes, Jack Warner is shrewdly arranging and cleverly proceeding with. It also means that some consumers will be priced out of the market because other consumers are willing to pay a premium for consumption of that product, and thus prices will follow - that's from my book on common sense.
JAck Warner is profiteeering. It is nepotism! It is downright wrong. Those tickets DO NOT BELONG TO JACK WARNER! THEY BELONG TO THE FEDERATION! But then again according to you, Jack put his money where his mouth is, so he deserves to tief we blind ent? So all this talk about6 selfless sacrifice he made,,is jes old talk..nah..Is jes shit talk from shit talkers den? De true patriot that he is, he can capitalise and monopolize and downright rip poor people off?
And dat is de man you tout to be ah Jedi Warrior and de next leadere ah de UNC? hahahahah take ah hard look at de men you support.....bandits all. May God destroy de UNC~!
Thus, the question then becomes, how much is it worth to you to see TT play in Germany?
Is it worth your integrity to justify the black market profiteering of Austin Jack Warner? Notice how his cronies and Lackies all disavow any knowledge of his connection to Simpauls? hahahahahaha spineless, cowardly no-balls fools.....! And now you support that by declaring some will be out priced? You are a fake..phony....and spineless too!
Are you willing to put aside bias and go regardless, even if it means paying a "criminal" price for tickets?
eBay and the rest of the ticket brokers and scalpers should be in prime form once the redistribution of TST is awarded - will Jack's ... umm Maureen's package seem more attractive at that point?
Do you really believe all the shit you write? Or do you get a rise out of your putrid diatribe?
You and I are in a business where we see people refinance their homes to go to the Superbowl in February .... and that's a once a year opportunity.
I am in no such business, and if I were, I would strongly advise against such fool hardiness! Besides what does thaqt have to do with Jack's treachery?
But like the offical card of the World Cup states indeed, everything with Mastercard is priceless.
What is priceless is your little dance to avoid the reality of what your boy Jack really is. You have in the past proclaimed that his detractors were liars, sensationists and haters. I see that true to form you maintain your stance of blind support. time to open your eyes....he will rape you. LOL! why not use some of your "education" dont waste mommy and daddy's money son.
I just hope your list made it to Santa in time. I'm waiting up this year with all forms of bribes to trade for WC tickets.
Never mind my list..I stopped believing in fairy tales long ago. Let me clue you into something:
There is no Santa Claus, No Easter Bunny, but there is a boogie man..and his name is Jack Warner. Make your bribes, mortgage your your home, sell your soul, but sont try to fool others into thinking that what Jack is doing is legitimate business.
The Manfriday......please take this article and forward it to your contact at FIFA
Camps, who is responsible for the country's share of tickets,
"I do not know that is happening," said Camps,
Camps, who is responsible for the country's share of tickets, told the Sunday Express that he did not know whether Warner owned Simpaul Travel Service-the company which has claimed to have purchased all Trinidad and Tobago's World Cup tickets.
Beore ah start let me say ah Merry Christmas to one an all. .
Everybody know me eh no Warner fan buh leh we know dat is he money dat pay for de boys an dem qualification so he have to get all preference when coming to any money making adventure in TNT Football . Nobody should be surprised to note dat Jack have ah hand in tings where making money is foremost .
So gih de man ah breeze and leh he hold he business eh . He ha tuh mek back dem millions he put out . It take two hands tuh clap as meh late Granny use to say........ he give ah great portion to de team so is only natural he be given de opps to get it back .
Maybe Tallman could answer my questions:
Can't the gov't step in?
What power can they exercise with reagrds to the TTFF?
Can they veto decisions such as selling rights to Jack Warner?
Maybe Tallman could answer my questions:
Can't the gov't step in?
What power can they exercise with reagrds to the TTFF?
Can they veto decisions such as selling rights to Jack Warner?
Any such intervention by the Gov't, if successful, would result in the TTFF being suspended by FIFA.
Until Camps and company are voted out, we are at their mercy.
Maybe Tallman could answer my questions:
Can't the gov't step in?
What power can they exercise with reagrds to the TTFF?
Can they veto decisions such as selling rights to Jack Warner?
Any such intervention by the Gov't, if successful, would result in the TTFF being suspended by FIFA.
Until Camps and company are voted out, we are at their mercy.
Maybe Tallman could answer my questions:
Can't the gov't step in?
What power can they exercise with reagrds to the TTFF?
Can they veto decisions such as selling rights to Jack Warner?
Any such intervention by the Gov't, if successful, would result in the TTFF being suspended by FIFA.
Until Camps and company are voted out, we are at their mercy.
If we put the TTFF and all other sports' governing bodies under the Ministry of sports, would that provide the oversight necessary ??? (A copy of the French model!)
Not exactly eh. first of all the govt. not messing in de running of de TTFF, but they can intervene in anti-trust dealings if T&T have such laws.
there should be laws governing this misbehaviour in T&T..if not we real backwards
Dat is real shit talk dey fella. What about de Broad cast rights? Dat is he own..yet he making money and de Federation always begging.
De travel and accomadation rights is he own..he making money and de Federation always begging fuh money.
De tickets are allocated for fans..he own dat and making money...plenty money..so what right? he put money in ent? Man dat is so much ta-ta it eh funny. allyuh cyar see de forest fuh de trees.
...Why we eh have no transparency in de TTFF?
I agree dat if Jack loans de TTFF money dey should [pay him back...but since we NEVER get to see how much he really put in..and the terms ah de so-called loans it leaves it open up fuh tiefing like mad and dat is what dey doing fuh years now!
Would you invest money in an organization dat does not reveal expenditures and income?
De man who auditing de TTFF also hired by de TTFF in other capacities...yuh doh find dat starnge and counter to openness?
steups.
This is the BIG problem I have with the Gov't reimbursing people for money already spent.
Firstly it is the TTFF's job to budget this includes finding sources of income BEFORE a WC campaign or adjusting to suit.
When the money is spent we have to basically trust that it was spent well. If the money is spent on services from companies OWNED by people in the TTFF adminstration how do we know what the true costs are?
What makes it really bad is when you see the price that they charge for a WC package you have to wonder whether all of the travel arrangements provided by Simpaul's or other companies that comprise part of the 16 Million dollars were over-priced as well.
I hear the noise, and ah agree with all what is being said...if...if...true..
ah jus would like to comment on a few points...jus my take
1. The tickets should not and would not be for everybody. Tenor, poor man/man in the street cannot go Germany..one of the probs. in trini is many feel they should have everything everybody else have, regardless of their choices and stations in life..so when they doh have it, it ok to take it from somebody else, cause in Trini, why should dem have and we don't...eventually the youths in their developing minds, start elieving that crap...I living in Canada, sacrificed to get an education, freezin meh tail orf an wukkin for the last 31 years, have a sizeable family yes, but married to a professional , and I can tell yuh now...ah doh know if ah would be able to afford a ticket to germany....ah not talking bout affording the time or anything else...jus finances....buh ah bussin meh tail some more tryin..
2. Jack doh have the only tickets and obviously not the cheapest to Germany.
3. As palos said "in the confusion of the win", we all tried to believe, everything was fine...the country go pull together, T&T on the map, big time, and who was crook before go turn samaritian, we going as one T&T...who was incompetent, will now try to improve...all ah we willing to pull together and help...the dream come true.....now here go the alarm...back to reality....there is no event, none, sporting or otherwise can do that...yes, under-pressure, we would pull together for a common goal, but once achieved, is every man/group for self...problem is whichever group you choose, good or bad, is still a group, and a matter of opinion..human nature & society
4. this is still dispicable, and whichever group you choose, make yuh foreign contacts,for Germany or Barbados and boycott Simpaul Travel service forever.. ...buy no tickets in T&T...those that could be affording a trip to Germany...
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In any society HARD work and SAVING money is THE only way!
Right Maxg?
truetrini, as we all know, talk is cheap, :yapping: especially when it comin from one or two sources who de jefes see as insignificant. For what it's worth, ah read d article an ah support both yuh argument and yuh position on d matter 100%.
ah ha 2 question though: 1. does anyone on this forum, or all of us collectively have the WILL to DO anything about this?
Unfortunately you are very correct. If the governement in T&T encourages such wanton and blatant transgression of the law without any penalties for those who mistreat the citzenery with impunity...then we are somewhat stymied. That is not to say that a concerted effort from one or many cannot bring change. but when we have people like Rotato Poti and others who blindly support Mr. Warner based on political affiliation and issues of race (yes race, I said it), we are handcuffed even more. I am issusing a challenge here and now to the memebers of Warrior Nation to come up with a plan to address this issue. I have ideas, but I am seeking input, because two heads better than one!
2. if so,how do we convert d talk here into a demonstrable an meaningful statement to d powers that be that enuff is enuff? ah thinkin about dis ting sometime now,buh yet to come up with any suggestions, except tuh say dat we (socawarriors.net) ha tuh raise we profile a bit, because we is small fries wey dem fellas is concerned. d kinda discussions dat does go on here iz meaningful, well intentioned,an in some cases well researched material, buh is like blinkin in d dark: u know yuh doin it, buh who tuh see aint seein.......
Ah supportin any sensible, well thought out move by anybody or group dat cud deal wit dis :bs: situation for good....
hmmm..allyuh ent think we shoulda done the right thing as true supporters and bought the Trinidad & Tobago Team Specific Tickets(TST) when they were available for all at the time prior to our qualification..and then take the bounce of the administartion fee if we didnt make it in the end?
this tells me we all is a bunch ah waggonist too..me included..cause we basically jump on de bandwagon looking and begging for tickets after we qualify..whereas if we say we 100% behind the team going to Germany and we wanted to be there..we woulda had our tickets in had beforehand.
btw this TTFF thing is one big mess..how come a dumbass like Ollie Camps still is President after doing shit after shit for bout 20 years?..he really have to be a puppet leader.
also i think if the govenrment do intervene..we might get sanctioned by FIFA.
but when we have people like Rotato Poti and others who blindly support Mr. Warner based on political affiliation and issues of race (yes race, I said it), we are handcuffed even more.
hmmm..allyuh ent think we shoulda done the right thing as true supporters and bought the Trinidad & Tobago Team Specific Tickets(TST) when they were available for all at the time prior to our qualification..and then take the bounce of the administartion fee if we didnt make it in the end?
this tells me we all is a bunch ah waggonist too..me included..cause we basically jump on de bandwagon looking and begging for tickets after we qualify..whereas if we say we 100% behind the team going to Germany and we wanted to be there..we woulda had our tickets in had beforehand.
hmmm..allyuh ent think we shoulda done the right thing as true supporters and bought the Trinidad & Tobago Team Specific Tickets(TST) when they were available for all at the time prior to our qualification..and then take the bounce of the administartion fee if we didnt make it in the end?
this tells me we all is a bunch ah waggonist too..me included..cause we basically jump on de bandwagon looking and begging for tickets after we qualify..whereas if we say we 100% behind the team going to Germany and we wanted to be there..we woulda had our tickets in had beforehand.
I never thought I would say this about a Naps man .... but hats off to you sir.
Between this, and MAXG's
1. The tickets should not and would not be for everybody. Tenor, poor man/man in the street cannot go Germany..one of the probs. in trini is many feel they should have everything everybody else have, regardless of their choices and stations in life..so when they doh have it, it ok to take it from somebody else, cause in Trini, why should dem have and we don't...eventually the youths in their developing minds, start elieving that crap...I living in Canada, sacrificed to get an education, freezin meh tail orf an wukkin for the last 31 years, have a sizeable family yes, but married to a professional , and I can tell yuh now...ah doh know if ah would be able to afford a ticket to germany....ah not talking bout affording the time or anything else...jus finances....buh ah bussin meh tail some more tryin..
Finally someone seeing the light.
yeah me ent have no point at all ;D
it was just an observation on my part bout this whole ticket thing lol
btw not to be mean or run people down..but yuh think it right for people wanting to go to Germany and they ent even have a credit card?
i see we might end up in that arguement again like the taking out of loans for Germany again lol
Another sad thing about the corruption in the TTFF, FIFA, and the entity that is Jack Warner, is that this kind of corruption is also endemic within the Olympic committee, and the United Nations. When we hear stories of the underhand bribing of the "too-glad-to-accept-bribes" Olympic officials that takes place in order to secure a vote for the particular city to host; or even the Oil for food debacle that took place in Iraq, in which UN officials basically accepted bribes in the form of millions of barrels of oil each, by Saddam Hussein, to look the other way...and the world for the most part stayed silent by-the-way (oh, yeah, they did blamed de US...hmmmmmmm).
Look, we ourselves have to decide what part are we to play in bringing the arms of justice to grab hold of the guilty parties. Silence, inaction, and scapegoating will not cut it. Jack Warner should face the justice system in T&T, and we should not look back with regret when it happens.
Another sad thing about the corruption in the TTFF, FIFA, and the entity that is Jack Warner, is that this kind of corruption is also endemic within the Olympic committee, and the United Nations. When we hear stories of the underhand bribing of the "too-glad-to-accept-bribes" Olympic officials that takes place in order to secure a vote for the particular city to host; or even the Oil for food debacle that took place in Iraq, in which UN officials basically accepted bribes in the form of millions of barrels of oil each, by Saddam Hussein, to look the other way...and the world for the most part stayed silent by-the-way (oh, yeah, they did blamed de US...hmmmmmmm).
Look, we ourselves have to decide what part are we to play in bringing the arms of justice to grab hold of the guilty parties. Silence, inaction, and scapegoating will not cut it. Jack Warner should face the justice system in T&T, and we should not look back with regret when it happens.
If you haven't read FIFA's code of ethics, I'd suggest you do :devil: :devil:
Guys, this has nothing to do with who has a credit card, or who can or cannot afford to purchase the tickets and go to Germany, or who had the opportunity to purchase tickets prior to our actual qualification.
The issue at hand is (granted the accuracy of the article), Jack Warner and his cohorts through the ownership of Simpauls, gained an unfair advantage in the acquisation, packaging, and then re-sale of the tickets. If the allegations are accurate, it would appear that JW has decided on the pricing of the tickets without the natuaral market of possible buyers playing a part in reaching a fair price/supply equilibrium. JW took the opportunity away from all possible "credible buyers."
The question remains: What gives JW the right to do this? Is this legal? If anyone on this forum is an expert on Trinidad & Tobago jurisprudence, then please come forth with an answer to a simple question. If all allegations are totally accurate, and there is indeed a direct link between JW and Simpauls, has any laws been breached by the fact that JW received these tickets? Also, if T&T is out of jurisdiction as this is a FIFA issue, could T&T still seek action based on fraud?
Bottom-line, which entity has jurisdiction in a case like this? FIFA in a civil suit of some sort, and/or T&T in a civil or criminal suit?
Or no one?
yes we knew this was a thread bout Jack and his pot of Gold tickets..but i was just making the observation bout if some of us had tickets..we wouldntve cared bout who didnt have access or can afford them...we woulda been calling all ah dem waggonist.
also maybe it have nothing else better going on to bitch bout ;D ..full day of English football on tv ahead.
but anyway Jack is wrong..whether is good business or not..or that he reaping his rewards from the TTFF.
Allyuh leh Jack an he family make dey money nah, why all de hating?? Ah wonder if man does have dis kinda passion when monies for ah new airport suddenly is unaccounted for an real people geh catch in slackness.
I say leh Jack make he money...da's Trini ting. ;D
Hell yeah, Give him de cross oui!!!. Self interest or no self interest he was very instrumental in getting us to the Big Fete!!!
Nah Point Fortin is my forte(get it, Fortin and forte...same pronunciation ;D )Allyuh leh Jack an he family make dey money nah, why all de hating?? Ah wonder if man does have dis kinda passion when monies for ah new airport suddenly is unaccounted for an real people geh catch in slackness.
I say leh Jack make he money...da's Trini ting. ;DQuoteHell yeah, Give him de cross oui!!!. Self interest or no self interest he was very instrumental in getting us to the Big Fete!!!
seems like apathy is yuh forte?
Come on man..yuh cyar be serious right?
Allyuh leh Jack an he family make dey money nah, why all de hating?? Ah wonder if man does have dis kinda passion when monies for ah new airport suddenly is unaccounted for an real people geh catch in slackness.
I say leh Jack make he money...da's Trini ting. ;D
Allyuh leh Jack an he family make dey money nah, why all de hating?? Ah wonder if man does have dis kinda passion when monies for ah new airport suddenly is unaccounted for an real people geh catch in slackness.
I say leh Jack make he money...da's Trini ting. ;D
Pointman, you are obviously kidding...at least I would hope so. For the most part, we are not hating on Jack Warner...we are "hating" on his actions, and the actions of the TTFF who are complicit in this. If the allegations are accurate, the actions observed by all reasonable clear thinking individuals would come to an obvious conclusion --- that what JW through his direct linkage to Simpauls, having exclusive "rights" to the tickets on the go-ahead by the TTFF, is an Unfair and Unjust business practice. There was and is NO Accountability, and NO Transparency. Certainly even a Jack Warner supporter can see that.
Anyone who supports the actions of JW and his cohorts, in the light of all the evidence, has no right to speak against the crime situation in T&T. If you accept one crime, and show apathy to one issue, then you should ALSO accept ALL crime...maybe even nominate the hitmen, the kidnappers, and the crimelords, for the Trinity Cross.
Now, if you would like to discuss the airport situation, we certainly can on another board. I'm sure you heard that Piarco just decided to construct a new world class hotel w/in a kilometer from the airport...there's more bacahnal to come, my friend...stay tuned. ;)
Allyuh leh Jack an he family make dey money nah, why all de hating?? Ah wonder if man does have dis kinda passion when monies for ah new airport suddenly is unaccounted for an real people geh catch in slackness.
I say leh Jack make he money...da's Trini ting. ;D
Pointman, you are obviously kidding...at least I would hope so. For the most part, we are not hating on Jack Warner...we are "hating" on his actions, and the actions of the TTFF who are complicit in this. If the allegations are accurate, the actions observed by all reasonable clear thinking individuals would come to an obvious conclusion --- that what JW through his direct linkage to Simpauls, having exclusive "rights" to the tickets on the go-ahead by the TTFF, is an Unfair and Unjust business practice. There was and is NO Accountability, and NO Transparency. Certainly even a Jack Warner supporter can see that.
Anyone who supports the actions of JW and his cohorts, in the light of all the evidence, has no right to speak against the crime situation in T&T. If you accept one crime, and show apathy to one issue, then you should ALSO accept ALL crime...maybe even nominate the hitmen, the kidnappers, and the crimelords, for the Trinity Cross.
Now, if you would like to discuss the airport situation, we certainly can on another board. I'm sure you heard that Piarco just decided to construct a new world class hotel w/in a kilometer from the airport...there's more bacahnal to come, my friend...stay tuned. ;)
Fidel, what I said should be taken w/ ah grain ah salt. We all know there is nepotism involved in this whole football thing. Along with being CONCACAF presi JW is also ah businessman, he in dis ting to make money. The conflict of interest issue here is one for the auditors to find and prove. Since JW and he boys running tings and transparency scarce proof will be hard to come by.
Also, since when is business fair and just. In the real world of business we do what is in our power to be successful and if we have a monopoly in something even better. I dare say with, all due respect,you'd do the same. too.
Is it fair to equate this situation with the state of violent crime in T&T?
Allyuh leh Jack an he family make dey money nah, why all de hating?? Ah wonder if man does have dis kinda passion when monies for ah new airport suddenly is unaccounted for an real people geh catch in slackness.
I say leh Jack make he money...da's Trini ting. ;D
Pointman, you are obviously kidding...at least I would hope so. For the most part, we are not hating on Jack Warner...we are "hating" on his actions, and the actions of the TTFF who are complicit in this. If the allegations are accurate, the actions observed by all reasonable clear thinking individuals would come to an obvious conclusion --- that what JW through his direct linkage to Simpauls, having exclusive "rights" to the tickets on the go-ahead by the TTFF, is an Unfair and Unjust business practice. There was and is NO Accountability, and NO Transparency. Certainly even a Jack Warner supporter can see that.
Anyone who supports the actions of JW and his cohorts, in the light of all the evidence, has no right to speak against the crime situation in T&T. If you accept one crime, and show apathy to one issue, then you should ALSO accept ALL crime...maybe even nominate the hitmen, the kidnappers, and the crimelords, for the Trinity Cross.
Now, if you would like to discuss the airport situation, we certainly can on another board. I'm sure you heard that Piarco just decided to construct a new world class hotel w/in a kilometer from the airport...there's more bacahnal to come, my friend...stay tuned. ;)
Fidel, what I said should be taken w/ ah grain ah salt. We all know there is nepotism involved in this whole football thing. Along with being CONCACAF presi JW is also ah businessman, he in dis ting to make money. The conflict of interest issue here is one for the auditors to find and prove. Since JW and he boys running tings and transparency scarce proof will be hard to come by.
Also, since when is business fair and just. In the real world of business we do what is in our power to be successful and if we have a monopoly in something even better. I dare say with, all due respect,you'd do the same. too.
Is it fair to equate this situation with the state of violent crime in T&T?
Pointman, with all due respect I understand how business works...I'm in the business field in the business capital of the world --- Wall Street. In my business, as in most, we have rules and regulations in order to maintain a fair playing field. Trust me, I understand the way things work. I fully believe in the ideals of capitalism and the free markets despite my namesake of "Fidel" (which is my actual middle name). In my business you do what you can to get that competitive advantage, but all within the boundaries of the law. Ethics comes into play also.
You made a statement that I would do the same as Jack Warner if I were in his shoes. Yes, you may be correct or you may be wrong. However, if I were committing an act such as that, then I would know that it is a calculated risk I am taking. If i got caught, then i would probably fight tooth and nail, and find the most expensive lawyer to plead my case of "innocence". But I would know that I am wrong, and deserved to face the arms of justice...but I would probably never admit to that in public, though. Hey, that's what liars do. Liars and dishonest people will never admit to wrongdoings --- do you expect anything less? (hahaha). But any clear thinking sensible person seeing the evidence, and my actions, wouldn't buy my story at half price.
How's that for realness, Pointman?
Listnen, you can committ the crime, but you have to be ready and willing to do the time, if caught. Ask Michael Milken...once the biggest Junk Bond "monopolist" on the planet (Averaged an income of US $450 million per year).
PS: And yes I believe it is fair to equate this "crime" with any other crime in T&T. It basically boils down to our levels of acceptance of what is right and what is wrong in our country. It boils down to the standards of behaviour we are willing to accept. It boils down to our sence of decency and values. We lower those standards, and we stand the risk of losing a lot more than we bargained for.
Allyuh leh Jack an he family make dey money nah, why all de hating?? Ah wonder if man does have dis kinda passion when monies for ah new airport suddenly is unaccounted for an real people geh catch in slackness.
I say leh Jack make he money...da's Trini ting. ;D
Pointman, you are obviously kidding...at least I would hope so. For the most part, we are not hating on Jack Warner...we are "hating" on his actions, and the actions of the TTFF who are complicit in this. If the allegations are accurate, the actions observed by all reasonable clear thinking individuals would come to an obvious conclusion --- that what JW through his direct linkage to Simpauls, having exclusive "rights" to the tickets on the go-ahead by the TTFF, is an Unfair and Unjust business practice. There was and is NO Accountability, and NO Transparency. Certainly even a Jack Warner supporter can see that.
Anyone who supports the actions of JW and his cohorts, in the light of all the evidence, has no right to speak against the crime situation in T&T. If you accept one crime, and show apathy to one issue, then you should ALSO accept ALL crime...maybe even nominate the hitmen, the kidnappers, and the crimelords, for the Trinity Cross.
Now, if you would like to discuss the airport situation, we certainly can on another board. I'm sure you heard that Piarco just decided to construct a new world class hotel w/in a kilometer from the airport...there's more bacahnal to come, my friend...stay tuned. ;)
Fidel, what I said should be taken w/ ah grain ah salt. We all know there is nepotism involved in this whole football thing. Along with being CONCACAF presi JW is also ah businessman, he in dis ting to make money. The conflict of interest issue here is one for the auditors to find and prove. Since JW and he boys running tings and transparency scarce proof will be hard to come by.
Also, since when is business fair and just. In the real world of business we do what is in our power to be successful and if we have a monopoly in something even better. I dare say with, all due respect,you'd do the same. too.
Is it fair to equate this situation with the state of violent crime in T&T?
Pointman, with all due respect I understand how business works...I'm in the business field in the business capital of the world --- Wall Street. In my business, as in most, we have rules and regulations in order to maintain a fair playing field. Trust me, I understand the way things work. I fully believe in the ideals of capitalism and the free markets despite my namesake of "Fidel" (which is my actual middle name). In my business you do what you can to get that competitive advantage, but all within the boundaries of the law. Ethics comes into play also.
You made a statement that I would do the same as Jack Warner if I were in his shoes. Yes, you may be correct or you may be wrong. However, if I were committing an act such as that, then I would know that it is a calculated risk I am taking. If i got caught, then i would probably fight tooth and nail, and find the most expensive lawyer to plead my case of "innocence". But I would know that I am wrong, and deserved to face the arms of justice...but I would probably never admit to that in public, though. Hey, that's what liars do. Liars and dishonest people will never admit to wrongdoings --- do you expect anything less? (hahaha). But any clear thinking sensible person seeing the evidence, and my actions, wouldn't buy my story at half price.
How's that for realness, Pointman?
Listnen, you can committ the crime, but you have to be ready and willing to do the time, if caught. Ask Michael Milken...once the biggest Junk Bond "monopolist" on the planet (Averaged an income of US $450 million per year).
PS: And yes I believe it is fair to equate this "crime" with any other crime in T&T. It basically boils down to our levels of acceptance of what is right and what is wrong in our country. It boils down to the standards of behaviour we are willing to accept. It boils down to our sence of decency and values. We lower those standards, and we stand the risk of losing a lot more than we bargained for.
Fidel, since you work on Wall street then you know a thing or two about monopolies and JW clearly has one when it comes to T&T football. He will make money off of it. Also you should know that companies are always looking for ways to push the ethics envelope vis a vis business practices here in the US and elsewhere for that matter. JW will never see the inside of anybody's jail nor suffer any fines etc for his business practices in the T&T business arena. I think it is the exception rather than the norm that businesses conduct themselves in an ethical manner.
Also, people wherever they may be, have always made destinctions in the type of crimes committed and how they deal with them. I think few people are willing to equate JW and co's actions/business practices with violent crime since the impact on society is quite different.
I'm not a huge JW supporter but I think some of us can be a bit disingenuine when it comes to JW and his actions...maybe it's our collective passion for football. ;)
Allyuh leh Jack an he family make dey money nah, why all de hating?? Ah wonder if man does have dis kinda passion when monies for ah new airport suddenly is unaccounted for an real people geh catch in slackness.
I say leh Jack make he money...da's Trini ting. ;D
Pointman, you are obviously kidding...at least I would hope so. For the most part, we are not hating on Jack Warner...we are "hating" on his actions, and the actions of the TTFF who are complicit in this. If the allegations are accurate, the actions observed by all reasonable clear thinking individuals would come to an obvious conclusion --- that what JW through his direct linkage to Simpauls, having exclusive "rights" to the tickets on the go-ahead by the TTFF, is an Unfair and Unjust business practice. There was and is NO Accountability, and NO Transparency. Certainly even a Jack Warner supporter can see that.
Anyone who supports the actions of JW and his cohorts, in the light of all the evidence, has no right to speak against the crime situation in T&T. If you accept one crime, and show apathy to one issue, then you should ALSO accept ALL crime...maybe even nominate the hitmen, the kidnappers, and the crimelords, for the Trinity Cross.
Now, if you would like to discuss the airport situation, we certainly can on another board. I'm sure you heard that Piarco just decided to construct a new world class hotel w/in a kilometer from the airport...there's more bacahnal to come, my friend...stay tuned. ;)
Fidel, what I said should be taken w/ ah grain ah salt. We all know there is nepotism involved in this whole football thing. Along with being CONCACAF presi JW is also ah businessman, he in dis ting to make money. The conflict of interest issue here is one for the auditors to find and prove. Since JW and he boys running tings and transparency scarce proof will be hard to come by.
Also, since when is business fair and just. In the real world of business we do what is in our power to be successful and if we have a monopoly in something even better. I dare say with, all due respect,you'd do the same. too.
Is it fair to equate this situation with the state of violent crime in T&T?
Pointman, with all due respect I understand how business works...I'm in the business field in the business capital of the world --- Wall Street. In my business, as in most, we have rules and regulations in order to maintain a fair playing field. Trust me, I understand the way things work. I fully believe in the ideals of capitalism and the free markets despite my namesake of "Fidel" (which is my actual middle name). In my business you do what you can to get that competitive advantage, but all within the boundaries of the law. Ethics comes into play also.
You made a statement that I would do the same as Jack Warner if I were in his shoes. Yes, you may be correct or you may be wrong. However, if I were committing an act such as that, then I would know that it is a calculated risk I am taking. If i got caught, then i would probably fight tooth and nail, and find the most expensive lawyer to plead my case of "innocence". But I would know that I am wrong, and deserved to face the arms of justice...but I would probably never admit to that in public, though. Hey, that's what liars do. Liars and dishonest people will never admit to wrongdoings --- do you expect anything less? (hahaha). But any clear thinking sensible person seeing the evidence, and my actions, wouldn't buy my story at half price.
How's that for realness, Pointman?
Listnen, you can committ the crime, but you have to be ready and willing to do the time, if caught. Ask Michael Milken...once the biggest Junk Bond "monopolist" on the planet (Averaged an income of US $450 million per year).
PS: And yes I believe it is fair to equate this "crime" with any other crime in T&T. It basically boils down to our levels of acceptance of what is right and what is wrong in our country. It boils down to the standards of behaviour we are willing to accept. It boils down to our sence of decency and values. We lower those standards, and we stand the risk of losing a lot more than we bargained for.
Fidel, since you work on Wall street then you know a thing or two about monopolies and JW clearly has one when it comes to T&T football. He will make money off of it. Also you should know that companies are always looking for ways to push the ethics envelope vis a vis business practices here in the US and elsewhere for that matter. JW will never see the inside of anybody's jail nor suffer any fines etc for his business practices in the T&T business arena. I think it is the exception rather than the norm that businesses conduct themselves in an ethical manner.
Also, people wherever they may be, have always made destinctions in the type of crimes committed and how they deal with them. I think few people are willing to equate JW and co's actions/business practices with violent crime since the impact on society is quite different.
I'm not a huge JW supporter but I think some of us can be a bit disingenuine when it comes to JW and his actions...maybe it's our collective passion for football. ;)
Again, you miss the point, Pointman. There's nothing inherently wrong with a monopoly, as long as the rules of the game were followed. I expect companies or individuals to bend the rules, or find loopholes. That's what any wise business professional would do. But then there are the blatant acts of corruption. CORRUPTION. That's a different ballgame entirely, my friend. The situation with JW has nothing to do with having or not having a monopoly. This has to do with lack of Accountability, and lack of Transparency, and profiting from it. It has to do with Blatant Corruption.
You'd be surprised how truly similar the impacts are of white collar crimes are in society vs violent crime. Everyone feeds off the same system, and when a blind eye is often turned in one arena for a certain class, there's a resentment that resonates within the poorer communities. There's only so much a society can take.
Anyway, now it's wait an see. Make no mistake, this is a test we are facing, and how we handle it will certainly help define who we are as a people.
Allyuh leh Jack an he family make dey money nah, why all de hating?? Ah wonder if man does have dis kinda passion when monies for ah new airport suddenly is unaccounted for an real people geh catch in slackness.
I say leh Jack make he money...da's Trini ting. ;D
Pointman, you are obviously kidding...at least I would hope so. For the most part, we are not hating on Jack Warner...we are "hating" on his actions, and the actions of the TTFF who are complicit in this. If the allegations are accurate, the actions observed by all reasonable clear thinking individuals would come to an obvious conclusion --- that what JW through his direct linkage to Simpauls, having exclusive "rights" to the tickets on the go-ahead by the TTFF, is an Unfair and Unjust business practice. There was and is NO Accountability, and NO Transparency. Certainly even a Jack Warner supporter can see that.
Anyone who supports the actions of JW and his cohorts, in the light of all the evidence, has no right to speak against the crime situation in T&T. If you accept one crime, and show apathy to one issue, then you should ALSO accept ALL crime...maybe even nominate the hitmen, the kidnappers, and the crimelords, for the Trinity Cross.
Now, if you would like to discuss the airport situation, we certainly can on another board. I'm sure you heard that Piarco just decided to construct a new world class hotel w/in a kilometer from the airport...there's more bacahnal to come, my friend...stay tuned. ;)
Fidel, what I said should be taken w/ ah grain ah salt. We all know there is nepotism involved in this whole football thing. Along with being CONCACAF presi JW is also ah businessman, he in dis ting to make money. The conflict of interest issue here is one for the auditors to find and prove. Since JW and he boys running tings and transparency scarce proof will be hard to come by.
Also, since when is business fair and just. In the real world of business we do what is in our power to be successful and if we have a monopoly in something even better. I dare say with, all due respect,you'd do the same. too.
Is it fair to equate this situation with the state of violent crime in T&T?
Pointman, with all due respect I understand how business works...I'm in the business field in the business capital of the world --- Wall Street. In my business, as in most, we have rules and regulations in order to maintain a fair playing field. Trust me, I understand the way things work. I fully believe in the ideals of capitalism and the free markets despite my namesake of "Fidel" (which is my actual middle name). In my business you do what you can to get that competitive advantage, but all within the boundaries of the law. Ethics comes into play also.
You made a statement that I would do the same as Jack Warner if I were in his shoes. Yes, you may be correct or you may be wrong. However, if I were committing an act such as that, then I would know that it is a calculated risk I am taking. If i got caught, then i would probably fight tooth and nail, and find the most expensive lawyer to plead my case of "innocence". But I would know that I am wrong, and deserved to face the arms of justice...but I would probably never admit to that in public, though. Hey, that's what liars do. Liars and dishonest people will never admit to wrongdoings --- do you expect anything less? (hahaha). But any clear thinking sensible person seeing the evidence, and my actions, wouldn't buy my story at half price.
How's that for realness, Pointman?
Listnen, you can committ the crime, but you have to be ready and willing to do the time, if caught. Ask Michael Milken...once the biggest Junk Bond "monopolist" on the planet (Averaged an income of US $450 million per year).
PS: And yes I believe it is fair to equate this "crime" with any other crime in T&T. It basically boils down to our levels of acceptance of what is right and what is wrong in our country. It boils down to the standards of behaviour we are willing to accept. It boils down to our sence of decency and values. We lower those standards, and we stand the risk of losing a lot more than we bargained for.
Fidel, since you work on Wall street then you know a thing or two about monopolies and JW clearly has one when it comes to T&T football. He will make money off of it. Also you should know that companies are always looking for ways to push the ethics envelope vis a vis business practices here in the US and elsewhere for that matter. JW will never see the inside of anybody's jail nor suffer any fines etc for his business practices in the T&T business arena. I think it is the exception rather than the norm that businesses conduct themselves in an ethical manner.
Also, people wherever they may be, have always made destinctions in the type of crimes committed and how they deal with them. I think few people are willing to equate JW and co's actions/business practices with violent crime since the impact on society is quite different.
I'm not a huge JW supporter but I think some of us can be a bit disingenuine when it comes to JW and his actions...maybe it's our collective passion for football. ;)
Again, you miss the point, Pointman. There's nothing inherently wrong with a monopoly, as long as the rules of the game were followed. I expect companies or individuals to bend the rules, or find loopholes. That's what any wise business professional would do. But then there are the blatant acts of corruption. CORRUPTION. That's a different ballgame entirely, my friend. The situation with JW has nothing to do with having or not having a monopoly. This has to do with lack of Accountability, and lack of Transparency, and profiting from it. It has to do with Blatant Corruption.
You'd be surprised how truly similar the impacts are of white collar crimes are in society vs violent crime. Everyone feeds off the same system, and when a blind eye is often turned in one arena for a certain class, there's a resentment that resonates within the poorer communities. There's only so much a society can take.
Anyway, now it's wait an see. Make no mistake, this is a test we are facing, and how we handle it will certainly help define who we are as a people.
Fidel, I understand the point, I know we talking about corruption...CORRUPTION ;D, but can it be proven in JW's case. As you say this is a wait and see matter and I suspect like everything else it will go unresolved and at the end of the day JW and co will make out like fat cats.
Personally, this is not a battle I'm willing to fight but if we go after JW for matters like this then lets go after certain politicians who have private accounts outside the country with untold millions and everybody involved in the airport fiasco and all de other bobol tings going on.
You and I both know how this will turn out though. ;)
:rotfl: awright boss yuh make meh laughAllyuh leh Jack an he family make dey money nah, why all de hating?? Ah wonder if man does have dis kinda passion when monies for ah new airport suddenly is unaccounted for an real people geh catch in slackness.
I say leh Jack make he money...da's Trini ting. ;D
Pointman, you are obviously kidding...at least I would hope so. For the most part, we are not hating on Jack Warner...we are "hating" on his actions, and the actions of the TTFF who are complicit in this. If the allegations are accurate, the actions observed by all reasonable clear thinking individuals would come to an obvious conclusion --- that what JW through his direct linkage to Simpauls, having exclusive "rights" to the tickets on the go-ahead by the TTFF, is an Unfair and Unjust business practice. There was and is NO Accountability, and NO Transparency. Certainly even a Jack Warner supporter can see that.
Anyone who supports the actions of JW and his cohorts, in the light of all the evidence, has no right to speak against the crime situation in T&T. If you accept one crime, and show apathy to one issue, then you should ALSO accept ALL crime...maybe even nominate the hitmen, the kidnappers, and the crimelords, for the Trinity Cross.
Now, if you would like to discuss the airport situation, we certainly can on another board. I'm sure you heard that Piarco just decided to construct a new world class hotel w/in a kilometer from the airport...there's more bacahnal to come, my friend...stay tuned. ;)
Fidel, what I said should be taken w/ ah grain ah salt. We all know there is nepotism involved in this whole football thing. Along with being CONCACAF presi JW is also ah businessman, he in dis ting to make money. The conflict of interest issue here is one for the auditors to find and prove. Since JW and he boys running tings and transparency scarce proof will be hard to come by.
Also, since when is business fair and just. In the real world of business we do what is in our power to be successful and if we have a monopoly in something even better. I dare say with, all due respect,you'd do the same. too.
Is it fair to equate this situation with the state of violent crime in T&T?
Pointman, with all due respect I understand how business works...I'm in the business field in the business capital of the world --- Wall Street. In my business, as in most, we have rules and regulations in order to maintain a fair playing field. Trust me, I understand the way things work. I fully believe in the ideals of capitalism and the free markets despite my namesake of "Fidel" (which is my actual middle name). In my business you do what you can to get that competitive advantage, but all within the boundaries of the law. Ethics comes into play also.
You made a statement that I would do the same as Jack Warner if I were in his shoes. Yes, you may be correct or you may be wrong. However, if I were committing an act such as that, then I would know that it is a calculated risk I am taking. If i got caught, then i would probably fight tooth and nail, and find the most expensive lawyer to plead my case of "innocence". But I would know that I am wrong, and deserved to face the arms of justice...but I would probably never admit to that in public, though. Hey, that's what liars do. Liars and dishonest people will never admit to wrongdoings --- do you expect anything less? (hahaha). But any clear thinking sensible person seeing the evidence, and my actions, wouldn't buy my story at half price.
How's that for realness, Pointman?
Listnen, you can committ the crime, but you have to be ready and willing to do the time, if caught. Ask Michael Milken...once the biggest Junk Bond "monopolist" on the planet (Averaged an income of US $450 million per year).
PS: And yes I believe it is fair to equate this "crime" with any other crime in T&T. It basically boils down to our levels of acceptance of what is right and what is wrong in our country. It boils down to the standards of behaviour we are willing to accept. It boils down to our sence of decency and values. We lower those standards, and we stand the risk of losing a lot more than we bargained for.
Fidel, since you work on Wall street then you know a thing or two about monopolies and JW clearly has one when it comes to T&T football. He will make money off of it. Also you should know that companies are always looking for ways to push the ethics envelope vis a vis business practices here in the US and elsewhere for that matter. JW will never see the inside of anybody's jail nor suffer any fines etc for his business practices in the T&T business arena. I think it is the exception rather than the norm that businesses conduct themselves in an ethical manner.
Also, people wherever they may be, have always made destinctions in the type of crimes committed and how they deal with them. I think few people are willing to equate JW and co's actions/business practices with violent crime since the impact on society is quite different.
I'm not a huge JW supporter but I think some of us can be a bit disingenuine when it comes to JW and his actions...maybe it's our collective passion for football. ;)
Again, you miss the point, Pointman. There's nothing inherently wrong with a monopoly, as long as the rules of the game were followed. I expect companies or individuals to bend the rules, or find loopholes. That's what any wise business professional would do. But then there are the blatant acts of corruption. CORRUPTION. That's a different ballgame entirely, my friend. The situation with JW has nothing to do with having or not having a monopoly. This has to do with lack of Accountability, and lack of Transparency, and profiting from it. It has to do with Blatant Corruption.
You'd be surprised how truly similar the impacts are of white collar crimes are in society vs violent crime. Everyone feeds off the same system, and when a blind eye is often turned in one arena for a certain class, there's a resentment that resonates within the poorer communities. There's only so much a society can take.
Anyway, now it's wait an see. Make no mistake, this is a test we are facing, and how we handle it will certainly help define who we are as a people.
Fidel, I understand the point, I know we talking about corruption...CORRUPTION ;D, but can it be proven in JW's case. As you say this is a wait and see matter and I suspect like everything else it will go unresolved and at the end of the day JW and co will make out like fat cats.
Personally, this is not a battle I'm willing to fight but if we go after JW for matters like this then lets go after certain politicians who have private accounts outside the country with untold millions and everybody involved in the airport fiasco and all de other bobol tings going on.
You and I both know how this will turn out though. ;)
If you read my earlier posts on this matter from yesterday, you would see that I make it clear that it all depends on the accuracy of the allegations etc. Anyway, every battle starts from somewhere. All the other issues, airport scandal, money laundering by politicians of ill gotten gains etc, should also be taken seriously. But the issue at hand in this dicussion was JW, Simpauls, and the TTFF...period. We can talk of corruption in the Roman Empire, to the Czars of Russia pre 1917. But it's neither here nor there in relation to JW, Simapuls, and the TTFF. Anyway, let's see where this goes.
Fellas I spoke to Jack Warner and he said he can understand my anger, which anger is no doubt based on ignorance but by Monday next everything shall be revealed, do have some patience, my friend.
So I (Sam) will wait patiencely before I say anything more on this issue.