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Sports => Football => Topic started by: davidephraim on December 31, 2005, 01:15:07 AM
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I think that Aurtis Whitley can bring a Roy Keane sensation to the midfield against england. I think that Roy Keane has done well as a strong-arm midfielder in de EPL and has earned a degree of respect from the world's finest. I see Whitley as this type of player. Whitley will be one of our players to watch in the upcoming WC. I say if Whitley in form and have been briefed, Rooney aint going nowhere. Not to mention Rooney only need to problems to lose he head anyway. wha allyuh say on that match up?
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I think that Aurtis Whitley can bring a Roy Keane sensation to the midfield against england. I think that Roy Keane has done well as a strong-arm midfielder in de EPL and has earned a degree of respect from the world's finest. I see Whitley as this type of player. Whitley will be one of our players to watch in the upcoming WC. I say if Whitley in form and have been briefed, Rooney aint going nowhere. Not to mention Rooney only need to problems to lose he head anyway. wha allyuh say on that match up?
eh-heh? Yuh really feel so?
based on what?
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now if yuh did say Rooney vs Dennis Lawrence or Rooney vs Marvin Andrews yuh might ah sound like yuh know what yuh talking bout
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lol............ :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:......
nah breds...d only way to deal with Rooney is tuh get him sent off. ;D
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lol............ :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:......
nah breds...d only way to deal with Rooney is tuh get him sent off. ;D
That's a really pathetic way to suggest how you deal with rooney it shows what you're advocating is defenders or midfielders are beaten before the game even starts and there only recourse is to committ mischief or lure him into a fight on the field is that what you're saying.
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Rooney has been shut down in the past, though it doesn't happen often. I think Dog would be the best one to man-mark Shrek. It's a HUGE undertaking though...
What worries me even more than Rooney is men like Peter Crouch and Zlatan Ibrahimovich. Regardless of what you think of Crouch, have we ever faced any big imposing centre-forwards like that? I'm sure Beenie will be ready for them, but it's just food for thought...
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Saga Pinto easy with the conspiracy theories, its not that serious. Keep yuh soccer cleets on. I agree that Rooney is pretty dangerous but the comparison that got me thinking was Whitley & Roy Keane. I think that obviously de jury is still out on Whitley because he really only start to shine at the end of de campaign but when he did he did so not in the fashion that I thought. I had de fella down for a more flamboyant midfielder and he prpbably has this capacity as well but he is right now impressing as a Defensive Midfielder along the lines of Roy and Barry Ferguson. There is no doubt in my mind that Whitley potential is immense Ithink even more so than Dog or Lawrence.
Rooney will leave Dog in de dust most times except for the couple time that Dog put it on him and slow him down. Whitley however I feel can take a kid like Rooney out of de game through man-marking. Man marking frustrates Rooney and any defender that doesn't recognize his God-like qualities and actually stays with him also is frustrating to him. I guess the Gods will tell...
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Keep it comin... so far we have Lawrence marking Crouch, Dog markin Ibromavich and Whitley on Rooney. we go get all the matchups soon enough...
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Whitley does not play the type of game that keene does. They are two completely different players.
Whitley is not a hard tackler and midfield hassler that keene is, he is more of a creative mould. The closest thing that we have to keene is birchall. He is a hard tackler, an ever present midfielder, and has a powerfull shot.
I cannot believe that a man who see ever see whitley and keene play could ever think about comparing them!!
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I think Dog would be the best one to man-mark Shrek.
I think you talking tata..Dog is way too slow to handle Rooney.
If we do decide to try that stupid/waste of time tactic of trying to mark out Rooney or any other 'star' player..the only viable person we have to do that might be Sancho.
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Andre making sense. It's all about positions fellas. Teams rarely man mark anymore b/c of the position structures. Closest man to the man does mark him tight.
Although the man that may be able to do the job might be me mum...
England is going to be an ultra tough oponent and we have to be realistic as to what we can and can't do against them.
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Yeah Whitley is a creative player. He has added hard tackling to his game because we needed it. Also compared to Yorke, Birchall, Latas and Edwards he is our most powerful midfileder.
It is good for us because at the WC all them men powerful (which is why a man like Dwarika really has no chance at that level).
Look at Rooney, real skilful but one of the things that sets him apart is his physical aggression and willingness to fight lost causes that results in goals.
We got the same thing with Whitley against Mexico. Hopefully we will see it in the WC too.
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IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PITCH WHITLEY IS THE BEST MATCH UP FOR ROONEY THAT WE HAVE SHOULD BE FUN TO SEE.
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Rooney has been shut down in the past, though it doesn't happen often. I think Dog would be the best one to man-mark Shrek. It's a HUGE undertaking though...
What worries me even more than Rooney is men like Peter Crouch and Zlatan Ibrahimovich. Regardless of what you think of Crouch, have we ever faced any big imposing centre-forwards like that? I'm sure Beenie will be ready for them, but it's just food for thought...
Crouch???
He is not really imposing, just tall and slow. He and Lawrence will cancel each other out. I would be happy to see him on the field. One less player to think about.
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Whitley is more of a Viera type player than a Keane type player. He is more likely to match up against Lampard for us. Using him as a manmarker would be wasting one of our best players.
Rooney is a forward so his matchup should be with someone like Sancho who has good pace. He just has to stay on his feet more.
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lol............ :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:......
nah breds...d only way to deal with Rooney is tuh get him sent off. ;D
That's a really pathetic way to suggest how you deal with rooney it shows what you're advocating is defenders or midfielders are beaten before the game even starts and there only recourse is to committ mischief or lure him into a fight on the field is that what you're saying.
not exactly yuh doh have to come on SO strong he may just be implieing that Rooney is one of the best players in the world. Yuh doh have to be so judgmental of wa de man say. He jes makin a lil joke. However i do understand that your trying to set a correct approach as supporters to this match. Doh worry saga we go have the right mentalilty come start uh de match.
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Rooney has been shut down in the past, though it doesn't happen often. I think Dog would be the best one to man-mark Shrek. It's a HUGE undertaking though...
What worries me even more than Rooney is men like Peter Crouch and Zlatan Ibrahimovich. Regardless of what you think of Crouch, have we ever faced any big imposing centre-forwards like that? I'm sure Beenie will be ready for them, but it's just food for thought...
Crouch???
He is not really imposing, just tall and slow. He and Lawrence will cancel each other out. I would be happy to see him on the field. One less player to think about.
i dont kno he hasnt seemed so penatrating with Liverpool so far however when he was wit Southampton he was lookin dangerous.
And Defoe.
If he gets picked i think we'll have to keep a close eye on his pace.
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I doh think Whitley and Rooney will clash as much. Whitley is a creative, attacking midfielder, and will more likely come up against Gerrard, Lampard or John Terry.
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I doh think Whitley and Rooney will clash as much. Whitley is a creative, attacking midfielder, and will more likely come up against Gerrard, Lampard or John Terry.
yea agreed.
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I think Dog would be the best one to man-mark Shrek.
I think you talking tata..Dog is way too slow to handle Rooney.
If we do decide to try that stupid/waste of time tactic of trying to mark out Rooney or any other 'star' player..the only viable person we have to do that might be Sancho.
Not to mention Rooney has a tendency to drop deep to collect the ball when things not going his team's way. Man marking is a waste of time. Try best as piossible to look down the middle and Rooney tries to play hero.
The closest thing we had to a Roy Keane other than Birchall was Tiger Fitzpatrick ....... but he just faded .
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no coach uses a midfielder to man-mark a forward. they may come in contact quite a bit becasue rooney likes to drop deep and as a midfielder Whitley will ahve defensive responsibilities, but it will not be a case of man marking. this is not a realistic thread.
also, stop jumping the gun. If Whitley gets a Premiership contract and does well, then cool. But it is ridiculous to compare him to to proven players at the highest level. Whitley has not shone at that level yet...he very well maybe able to...but until then we real jumping the gun.
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Whitley does not play the type of game that keene does. They are two completely different players.
Whitley is not a hard tackler and midfield hassler that keene is, he is more of a creative mould. The closest thing that we have to keene is birchall. He is a hard tackler, an ever present midfielder, and has a powerfull shot.
I cannot believe that a man who see ever see whitley and keene play could ever think about comparing them!!
I could'nt disagree with that more about birchall being the hardest tackler on the team,I agree birchall is ah hustler and he tackles as well,but spann happens to be the most consistent tackler and winner of the ball,whitley is also a winner of the ball in the middle,the concept that yuh have to be a bruiser in the middle in order to win ball is not necessarily true,I respect that birchall has a shot,but the difference is birchall shots are all bullets with accuracy and emphasis on control and placement while whitley,spann have raw aimless power that still needs to be nutured.
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I stand corrected. I did mean more of a matchup vs man-marking. And I think that Spaan probably is 1sty and Whitley second in terms of de Rooney Matchup. A Pardner a mine tell meh today that de man that go put it on Rooney is Cyd Gray... he must be know what he talkin bout. and I was not comparing the players but rather the matchup...
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A couple of points here, just my opinion dred
Regardless of how well he looked, Whitley is at his best when he plays as an attacking midfielder supoorting the forwards by holding up the ball and making incisive final passes plays or taking the shots like he did against Mexico in POS.
What Whitley did in the first match against Bahrain is not the norm for him it was because ( up until he scored) Birchie was not playing his position well and Whitley was playing deep to provide some defensive support in the middle. Whitley is more the finesse attacker than the kick-em-down hard tackling men like Keane.
Against England Whitley will probably see more of Lampard or John Terry etc instead of Rooney if he plays attacking. Nobody from our team will be able to man-mark Rooney in a world cup game to any great effect. We do not have an Essien in the squad so forget it. Rooney is not only too athletic but also capable of taking shots from anywhere. The best thing to do is try to cut off the supply to him than man mark him.
We have a better chance playing a 4-5-1 against England than a more attacking formation and concentrating on one or two players. England has too many proven scorers so you have to frustrate them by keeping the ball, taking away their outside crossing game ( Beckham etc) and keeping the ball on the ground. They will try to play their defence very high so we can use a speedy striker to try some counter-attacks late in the game.We need some divine intervention ( like Ronaldinho's free kick) to score against them. They have temperamental players whose buttons can be pushed - Rooney, Beckham, Ferdinand - and yes pushing other players buttons is part of the game.
Cyd is more likely to be dealing with Joe Cole and Ashley Cole than Rooney, as Rooney is neither played nor does not attack much down the left.
Ah might be wrong but is just my two cents dred.
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In my opinion I believe Whitley should take responsibility for Lampard. If you shut off englands supply and force the strikers to drop deep to get service, we could cause things to happen. Rooney to me is overated, but then again it isnt like he is total mess either.Dog and Lawrence definately too slow to handle him, best bet is cyd gray or spann. Once you keep rooney quiet, shut down englands midfield especially lampard and gerrard and beckham with the cross ball, we should be able to at least get points from it.Also employing some quick strikers like Jones and Glenn, could have Rio dancing.Jones especially cause he big and could match up to Rio physically.england, especially if eriksson stick with the general team he picks can be beaten by us. Personally i fraid sweden a lot more especially zlatan.
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Jones is over rated and if he dont step up he will lose more. For a man with his size, height, strength and speed he should be doing much better, he strugles to control the ball and he is not clinical with his finishing, he also fights with the ball to much, he does make de ball control him instead of him controling de ball.
Solo is right, them English players does get donkey courage fast, so we need to work on that and throw them off.
4-5-1 vs England and Sweden might be best, we play Paraguay last so we might have to go all out and attack, them eh no shit side, we are in a hard group, it not bad, but it eh no walk in de park.
Rooney is a good striker, trust me, he have talent, he fast and dont fraid to shoot, he strong on de ball also, his weakness is his mentality, he does lose it fast.
Owen will be back I am sure for the world cup, and if not we still have to worry about Defoe, Crouch and Vassell. Forget about they midfield, England have a boss midfield, Phillips faster than light, Beckham good with crosses and free kicks, something Jack cant handle, Lampard and Gerrard is just bosses. Downing and Joe Cole good on de left wing also. England just better than us, man for man, we will have to come up BIG even for a tie..
Out of all de foreign players, I wish we get Samuel, Rocastle and Ellington and we good to go. If only de PNM could help we here with Rocastle and Ellington..
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Rooney to me is overated, but then again it isnt like he is total mess either.
Rooney...overrrated? I cant agree with you on that at all Trinibourbon. I would agree with Sam about Jones being a bit overrated, a bit too excitable and hence hurries his shots. He could learn a lot from men like Hasselbaink and Jason Roberts about how to use his size and touch better and how to be patient yet deadly in the box with the ball at his feet.
For Rooney. this is his first World Cup we talking about dred. Playing for England turns him into an animal. Did you see him in his first international competition in Euro 2005? The boy was in devastating form then and I expect that he will be a much bigger menace in de WC.
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Rooney has been shut down in the past, though it doesn't happen often. I think Dog would be the best one to man-mark Shrek. It's a HUGE undertaking though...
What worries me even more than Rooney is men like Peter Crouch and Zlatan Ibrahimovich. Regardless of what you think of Crouch, have we ever faced any big imposing centre-forwards like that? I'm sure Beenie will be ready for them, but it's just food for thought...
Crouch???
He is not really imposing, just tall and slow. He and Lawrence will cancel each other out. I would be happy to see him on the field. One less player to think about.
aye nah, doh be underestimating Crouch fuh meh please. he definitely IS a threat, whether we realize it or not.
and Rooney is overrated in some respects, it depends on how you look at it really.
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Rooney has been shut down in the past, though it doesn't happen often. I think Dog would be the best one to man-mark Shrek. It's a HUGE undertaking though...
What worries me even more than Rooney is men like Peter Crouch and Zlatan Ibrahimovich. Regardless of what you think of Crouch, have we ever faced any big imposing centre-forwards like that? I'm sure Beenie will be ready for them, but it's just food for thought...
Crouch???
He is not really imposing, just tall and slow. He and Lawrence will cancel each other out. I would be happy to see him on the field. One less player to think about.
aye nah, doh be underestimating Crouch fuh meh please. he definitely IS a threat, whether we realize it or not.
and Rooney is overrated in some respects, it depends on how you look at it really.
crouch has his days. when he has his stuff he can be dangerous.
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crouch has his days. when he has his stuff he can be dangerous.
exactly.
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I fail to see the point about Rooney being overrated! ;D See below. Underrate him at your own peril.
Exquisite Rooney gives hope to United and England
Daniel Taylor at Old Trafford
Monday January 2, 2006
The Guardian
"Goodbye and good riddance to Manchester United's annus horribilis." So says the front cover of the latest United We Stand fanzine, a publication that displays about as much seasonal goodwill to Sir Alex Ferguson as a snowball in the face. Ferguson will be glad to see the back of December, never mind 2005, although it would be wrong to say nothing has gone right when Wayne Rooney's family must be running out of scrapbooks to contain all the cuttings.
It is difficult for United's supporters to be too melancholic when in their midst lurks a player who by rights should have been sitting beside Ronaldinho at Fifa's global awards night, a footballer opposition fans taunt as fat but who in full flight looks as though he would not make footprints in snow.
Rooney, perhaps, is the single reason why the fans on Sir Matt Busby Way can regard 2006 with a modicum of optimism. He makes robust centre-halves look flimsy. He does things on a football field that cannot even be found on a computer game.
On New Year's Eve it was the turn of Bruno N'Gotty and Tal Ben Haim to feel the force. Ben Haim, an old foe, was substituted at half-time. N'Gotty traipsed off the pitch at the final whistle with the expression of a vegetarian walking out of TGI Fridays.
Sam Allardyce, the Bolton manager, shook his head as he floated the possibility that he might never have seen such a more capable demonstration of the centre-forward's trade. Rooney had bewitched United's opponents with a performance brimming with pace, strength, anticipation, guile and craft. Everything, in fact, apart from a goal. "He terrified us," Allardyce reflected. "I think I've just seen one of the most outstanding young players I've ever seen."
Bolton are no Barcelona but there was still something exhilarating about the way Rooney elevated himself to a different level. "It bodes well for England in 2006," said Allardyce. "He not only frightened us with his skill but his work-rate and his physical attributes. He was brushing off our players and some of his touches were just magnificent. You can plan all you want but when a player of his ability is in that sort of mood what can you do?"
Rooney has become so influential that opposition managers have started giving serious consideration to deploying a man-marker to stick to him like a tick. Bryan Robson of West Bromwich Albion was the first to use such a method only for Rooney to conjure up a 3-0 victory once his designated shadow, Paul Robinson, had left the field with concussion.
"We contemplated it too," said Allardyce. "But the truth is we didn't think we had a player capable of doing it. The concentration needed to man-mark a player of Rooney's talent for 90 minutes would be absolutely mega. We would effectively be asking someone not to get involved in the game when we were in possession and there isn't a player in our camp with the self-discipline and concentration for that sort of job."
One suspects there will be a distinct lack of raised arms should other managers ask for volunteers. Bolton's defenders were so flustered they began to make uncharacteristically simple errors. N'Gotty deflected Kieran Richardson's cross into his own net when it should have been a routine clearance. Gary Speed equalised with Bolton's first effort on goal but Ben Haim promptly sold Jussi Jaaskelainen short with a back-header and Louis Saha re-established United's lead. From that moment Old Trafford sat back and basked in the Rooney Show, supplemented by Cristiano Ronaldo's most productive match for longer than he would care to remember.
There was a kaleidoscope of moments to choose from but none more exquisite than the way Rooney bulldozed a route into the penalty area to set up Ronaldo's first goal. After the strength came the subtlety. Which other player in English football would have had the awareness and ability to flick the ball to the far post, using the outside of his right boot, when there was an orthodox left-foot shot on? Some observers were so dumbfounded they initially presumed he must have miscued his shot. It turned out to be the pass of a genius.
Ronaldo added a final flourish as the game went into stoppage time, drifting inside N'Gotty to score with a left-foot drive, but long before then Rooney had established a sense of harmony inside Old Trafford that has not always been there this season.
Flick through any United fanzine or log on to any chat-room and the criticism of Ferguson is unrelenting. It is difficult, indeed, to find anyone who is willing to advocate that he should stay beyond the end of the season. Yet the crowd serenaded him here with a chorus of Happy Birthday followed by "Sixty-four? You're having a laugh".
Convincingly beating Bolton does not mean United have eradicated the shortcomings that were so obvious during the wretched string of performances that passed as their European campaign. It does not make up for the fact that their season has, in all probability, descended into a contest with Liverpool for second place and automatic qualification for the Champions League. And it will not have United We Stand's editorial team fretting that they have gone over the top with their latest edition. Yet Ferguson, like Sven-Goran Eriksson, is blessed with a player whose very presence offers hope. If 2006 is another annus horribilis, it will not be Rooney grazing in the scapegoats' paddock.
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I eh no Rooney fan but to say he overated is showing no respect. He is a handful at all levels, the Euro prove that.
Personally Rooney is more of a concern than Crouch.
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All this talk about rooney,crouch etc,leh we talk about we boys more nah after all we are all trinis to de bone and while I respect everyones choice to express there opinion on a particular player other than one of our local boys,there's renewed optimism about T&T football right now and we should be talking more about who we have as threats to take them apart in attack and defense,just my take and observation.I've said it many times on this site many of our boys are members or guest on this forum and certain post that relates to a foriegn players strenghts and abilities could have a negative effect on our players whether we consider it reality or not,especially with the likes of whitley,spann,birchall etc,I honestly believe they already know what's the task at hand,and it's a difficult one I'm sure but check this example:
Against England Whitley will probably see more of Lampard or John Terry etc instead of Rooney if he plays attacking. Nobody from our team will be able to man-mark Rooney in a world cup game to any great effect. We do not have an Essien in the squad so forget it. Rooney is not only too athletic but also capable of taking shots from anywhere. The best thing to do is try to cut off the supply to him than man mark him.
Here's another example :For Rooney. this is his first World Cup we talking about dred. Playing for England turns him into an animal. Did you see him in his first international competition in Euro 2005? The boy was in devastating form then and I expect that he will be a much bigger menace in de WC.
Now here's the flipside to this what does'nt hurt me will only make me stronger,and if better can't be done let the worse continue.
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Dont take it so Saga, just like any coach would tell you you have to discuss and evaluate the opposition strengths and weaknesses. It is fair to discuss the good things anyone said about an opposition player but also fair to discuss how to netralize him. I said and continue to say so many good things about Whitley and dem all year even before we make de WC.
Another point is that our players are all professional and most play in Europe, there is nothing that we can discuss on this site that they dont see every day on TV and newspapers about the English opposition. They live with it. They play it. They already know how to handle this. I doubt whether any player would come on this site, read this discussion and because of some negative effect they get scared of Rooney, or Lampard or Terry. You really believe so?