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2010 World Cup - South Africa / The World Cup Draw
« on: December 02, 2009, 08:23:26 AM »
World Cup Draw

Draw is on Friday. Here are the anticipated pots (according to ESPN Soccernet, anyway):

Pot 1:

South Africa, Brazil, Spain, Italy, Germany, Argentina, England, France

Pot 2:

Netherlands, Portugal, Slovenia, Switzerland, Greece, Serbia, Denmark, Slovakia

Pot 3:

Ivory Coast, Cameroon, Algeria, Nigeria, Ghana, Paraguay, Chile, Uruguay

Pot 4:

USA, New Zealand, Australia, N. Korea, S. Korea, Japan, Mexico, Honduras

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Football / Re: Baygo boy (Andy Salandy) passed on....
« on: October 28, 2009, 02:56:20 PM »
Just got the news and to think he never looked ill really..He continued to do his part for the sport
http://www.tidisports.com/05-about.htm

Nuff respect to the entire family, friends, and well wishers.



Daz not de same Andy Salandy I know.



Palos forgive meh pardnah I thought it was this Salandy when I heard the news.

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Football / Re: Baygo boy (Andy Salandy) passed on....
« on: October 28, 2009, 02:51:08 PM »
Just got the news and to think he never looked ill really..He continued to do his part for the sport
http://www.tidisports.com/05-about.htm

Nuff respect to the entire family, friends, and well wishers.


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Football / Pres Sando beat Naps!!
« on: September 27, 2009, 07:40:52 PM »
Whey meh partner "doi doi"

Get them rolling Sean....good job.

Now for meh next boys to strike up..go P/Town!!

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Football / If Wishes were Horses beggars would ride....
« on: September 07, 2009, 11:31:54 AM »
I can't stand the amount of if this one was on our team, if this one was off the team, if this one was the coach, if if if if if if....Geez...The fact has been said here and beaten like a step child...

IF we do not implement a true and tested program from the youth level as well as designing various youth leagues with a filtering system into the national program our National team would always be wanting... When our teams of the past had their success it was guys who played right here at home with one or two exceptions...has the standard of the game reached that high where we cannot compete unless the majority of our players are playing abroad??

South Zone for example had youth leagues, vibrant village leagues ( La Brea, Point, Fyzo, Mayaro, P/Town, Couva, Siparia, Palo Seco, etc etc... multitude of players to choose from...Where have all these gone?? We need to stop looking for someone else to provide the answer and try in our own way to do it ourselves and for God's sake...stop with the "if".

What ever little you can do makes a difference but we got to start now.





 

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Football / Re: Dennis Lawrence heads to Jabloteh
« on: August 20, 2009, 01:34:10 PM »
Desperate times calls for desperate measures.....

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Football / Re: Cut the Dreads OFF or groom it Pls
« on: July 31, 2009, 10:11:31 AM »
Brothers

I am sorry if i came off disrespectful. But i did say "No disrespect to the Religious Movement" and personal grooming choice

and yes the post should have really been "does it help or hinder your game" I really cant see it helping with any quick head movement etc

and again i apologise to any ras men out there, the post was done when i was reflecting on the San jauan Jaboleth game seeing marvin oliver on the field having no impact looked like a goat out there . A goat because like he was only on the field to graze on the grass! when he found out it was an artifical surface he eh even graze he did nothing. And also on dawricka's game in last champion league. further it may not even be a ras issue it may be them having off days but you sure sand out having a bad game when you have a RAS everybody easily singles out out.

For the record i still think it hinders a players game (when it is left ungroomed down to your waist) and on the question of ear rings and other Jewerly a BIG no if its on the field , Its a Hazard. Off the field wear a note ring for all i care just not on the field




One should never spoil an apology with an excuse!


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Football / Re: Teach offense
« on: July 24, 2009, 01:11:49 PM »
The best way to learn creativity and Flare is without adult supervision. Players like ronaldo and ronaldihno and robinhio were not though how to play.

They had they own creativity that they brought into their game.

You cannot teach that.

Imagination is an individual thing they best way to develop it is to let it take a mind of its own.

You learn that by going and play football without coaching.

Beats and score; small goal etc.

Agreed totally, however how many of them youths engaging in those common practices...most with the wii or on xbox etc...
 

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Football / Teach offense
« on: July 24, 2009, 08:42:31 AM »
Offense Anyone...

We see it at the national level and all call for it…”creativity”, “work rate”, “lacking technically”, at what point is it taught….clearly at the national level it is too late.

Over the past few weeks I have been involved in some personal training for a small group of region 3 players…. Now being very offensive minded and knowing that the teachings of offense gives certain liberties to the player (s) and in my opinion broadens their imagination and desire for goals, seeing the field, flair, confidence, movement on and off the ball etc etc. I was totally surprised that basic things I started out teaching and showing were not exposed to these 14-15 year olds example: correct movement off the ball to open up space within the position you play (basic) not to mention the possible space it creates for other players, various elements of the foot to receive, shoot, pass, touch etc to be more efficient and reduce time to trap, shoot, pass etc….the simple direction change of the non striking foot to effect the swing, shot, pass.

When you look at one of the Worlds most consistent winning teams you turn to Brazil, now knowing that wouldn’t you agree that offense breeds imagination, creativity, artistry, flair, technique, confidence, complete team movement, etc. If you do agree then let us expose the game especially at the youth level where we want to encourage these traits and teach the game as it was meant to be played.

Whose responsibility it is to truly train and teach these kids such that I have mentioned and more… the coach? Or should we only rely on the premier camps..? Individual trainers?

It is easier to teach proper defense knowing a good offense.

Coach this starts with you. 

Just my humble 2 cents.

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Football / Re: Sports Illustrated Thrill List
« on: July 09, 2009, 03:12:14 PM »
What about M. Platini (France) & L Mathaus ( Germany) two of my favorites

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Football / Re: Confederations Cup Thread
« on: June 24, 2009, 02:36:29 PM »
This US side has speed and speed kills.

TNT needs more speed!

They also FIT and demonstrated some desire and heart in representing their country...

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Football / Re: Game Viewing Thread for T&T vs. Mexico
« on: June 10, 2009, 09:16:10 PM »
Yorke could walk boy

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i think the older players demonstrated more passion and desire, back in the days money wasn't the attraction more so the opportunity...nowadays it is more like how much you paying me and when can I expect it.

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Football / Re: Usain Bolt vs. CRonaldo
« on: May 18, 2009, 09:20:46 AM »
Bolt just broke the WR in the 150m event in England. His first race back from the accident, this man is unreal.

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Football / Re: What Brand of football do we play?
« on: April 16, 2009, 06:08:42 AM »
The question I've been asking myself for years is do we really have we own brand or style of football that is unique just to trinbago ballers.I've heard guys on this site say is the soca warrior brand, Now it was the dutch style of football that took us to the world cup so should we stick with the european brand or is it the coach that ultimately makes the brand.....   

We playing "Elton Brand" :rotfl:

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Football / Re: STERN JOHN APPRECIATION TREND!!!
« on: April 01, 2009, 09:25:30 PM »
I really appreciate all Stern has and is doing for us....however i would appreciate him coming off the bench. IMO
Based on what?

Adversity.

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Football / Re: COACHING SOLOUTION? any ideas
« on: April 01, 2009, 09:23:52 PM »
One thing Beenie brought us was defense, we are defending badly and being beaten to the position...whomever it maybe I think this should be a concern.

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Football / Re: STERN JOHN APPRECIATION TREND!!!
« on: April 01, 2009, 09:21:07 PM »
I really appreciate all Stern has and is doing for us....however i would appreciate him coming off the bench. IMO

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Football / Re: Play Stern John in the Midfield!!!!
« on: April 01, 2009, 09:17:18 PM »
We need hungrier MEN up top in the midfield we need creativity to take on opponents and in the back we need brian Williams, bertram noel and clayton morris. Specai lrequest for a coach..any blind one eye donkey go work better than the current jackass enough is enough. Oh and man on the bench with a bull pistle when man forget about work rate....waaaatap

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Football / Re: Thread for the USA vs Mexico game (11-Feb-2009).
« on: January 31, 2009, 11:07:39 AM »
While some may feel that this is the worst USA side etc etc...the fact remains that they have been a consistant bunch...and with the state of Mexicos game right now I predict a 3-0 USA victory.

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Football / Re: You might be a Sh*thong if
« on: January 23, 2009, 10:22:33 PM »
picking teams for small goal sweat and you always being picked last...even hoppie the guy with one leg making the sweat before u.

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Football / Re: Maturana meets 'Magician'
« on: January 12, 2009, 07:55:03 AM »

My assumption is that the TTFF will eventually fire Maturana during the World Cup final round of qualifiers (more so if there are any more coaching blunders) and give Latapy the head coach position.

Kingman


Kingman with all due respect I hope your assumption don't play out. The reason is simple, for them to fire Maturana during the qualifiers means that the team (our team) would not be doing well and that is something I would not want nor wish for despite what I feel for the coach. I am sure you would agree...I want us to win our games and for once show the type of calibre and potential we are capable of.

Latas will get his chance in due course, and his statement criticising the team was IMO coming from the player in him point of view, as he is now on board officially I believe he would be more intune to the coach's plan, format, expectations and role of players, as well as the complete vision the head coach has for the team. If after a couple months Latas still shares this type of view then I would have to look at the edvidence in detail and hopefully not by the style nor results of the team.

I wish the team good luck and I truly hope we could win all our games, let the chips fall where they may.

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Football / Re: Moderators
« on: December 22, 2008, 12:19:42 PM »
Tallman and Flex I am posting this as my way of complaining about the constant about of foul language and personal abuse (attacks) you all allow on this site. I am certain that we have youths visiting this site to learn from the many instrumental post and clippings so willingly posted here by the many die hard..yet it discouraging to recommend or even to allow viewers some like myself who have been a member here for some time now to continue coming to this site. The latest topic "lets be honest" where a man is viciously attacked verbally just for expressing his opinion is rediculous to say the least..and what continued to follow is an all out cussing out between good standing and respected members and this individual...I am asking can you please put a STOP to this sort of behaviour ???

Other soccer forums issue yellow cards and then red to members thus keeping decency to the site..what do you think about that?

Just a thought thanks for all you do.

yea, is dem same youths who always cussing up the place when something is said they don't agree with.

So two wrongs make a right?

We can try to change...its always the same ole thing...you look at the very economy we live in and the way the world is going and we lay blame on the crooked politics etc when the true blame lies within. There has always been crooked politics why didnt we grow up the way these youngsters growing up? BEcause our elders demonstrated to us respect..and gained it in return.
When we go out to public events do we act like we do on the block? this is a similar platform why the senseless attacks etc? because this is who we are...really? or is it how we were brought up?? I doubt the latter because I know how it used to be back then..wouldn't you agree?

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Football / Moderators
« on: December 21, 2008, 10:13:00 PM »
Tallman and Flex I am posting this as my way of complaining about the constant about of foul language and personal abuse (attacks) you all allow on this site. I am certain that we have youths visiting this site to learn from the many instrumental post and clippings so willingly posted here by the many die hard..yet it discouraging to recommend or even to allow viewers some like myself who have been a member here for some time now to continue coming to this site. The latest topic "lets be honest" where a man is viciously attacked verbally just for expressing his opinion is rediculous to say the least..and what continued to follow is an all out cussing out between good standing and respected members and this individual...I am asking can you please put a STOP to this sort of behaviour ???

Other soccer forums issue yellow cards and then red to members thus keeping decency to the site..what do you think about that?

Just a thought thanks for all you do.

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Football / Re: Modern Evolution of Formations 4-4-2 vs 4-2-3-1
« on: December 19, 2008, 07:10:14 AM »
The Question: why has 4-4-2 been superseded by 4-2-3-1?

The coming of 4-2-3-1 was a natural progression from 4-4-2, and in the last five years nearly all tactical innovations are developments of the formationComments (49)
 
At what turned out to be Roy Keane's final press-conference as Sunderland manager, after the 4-1 defeat to Bolton, he admitted his side's 4-4-2 formation had been part of the problem. Kenwyne Jones and Djibril Cissé may be a forward pairing that, given their power and pace, will terrify defences, but it doesn't really matter if, as happened in that Bolton game, the midfield four are outnumbered and - outplayed - by an opposition using five midfielders, rendering them unable to work the ball into dangerous areas.


Fielding five midfielders was for a long time considered a negative tactic, but that is dependent entirely on the make-up of the five. It is still a commonplace of English punditry to speak of teams not playing "two up" as being negative, but even a glance at a team-sheet should show what nonsense that it. Take, for example, France in the Euro 2000 final with Youri Djorkaeff, Zinedine Zidane and Christoph Dugarry playing off Thierry Henry, or Portugal in the same tournament with Luis Figo, Rui Costa and Sergio Conceicao playing off Nuno Gomes. Take Spain in the final of Euro 2008, with Andres Iniesta, Cesc Fabregás, Xavi and David Silva arrayed behind Fernando Torres.


As ever in tactical matters, the sense is that British football lags behind. In Spain, for instance, 4-2-3-1 was common by 2000, and within a couple of years had become almost a default. Perhaps that is not surprising, for it was in Spain that the formation first developed as something distinct from 4-4-2.


Once sides had started using their playmaker as a second striker – a trend that emerged at the 1986 World Cup – the coming of 4-2-3-1 was inevitable. Initially a holding midfielder would be deployed to pick him up – hence the late-nineties boom in players capable of playing the Makelele role – at which point the deep-lying forward would start drifting wide to find space. If the holding player followed him, that created space in the middle, so an additional player would be dropped deeper as cover, with knock-on effects for the more attacking midfielders.


Or the evolution could come from the other direction: a side playing 4-4-2, with the wingers pushed high and one of the centre-forward dropping deep, is effectively playing a 4-2-3-1. When Manchester United beat Barcelona in the 1991 Cup-Winners' Cup final, for instance, they had Bryan Robson and Paul Ince holding, with Lee Sharpe and Mike Phelan wide, and Brian McClair dropping off Mark Hughes. Everybody still referred to it as 4-4-2, but it was in effect a 4-2-3-1.



Self-conscious symmetry in Spain


The first to deploy the new formation self-consciously, at least according to the Spanish coaching magazine Training Football, was the Real Sociedad coach Juanma Lillo while he was in charge of the Segunda Division side Cultural Leonesa in 1991-92. "My intention was to pressure and to try to steal the ball high up the pitch," he explained.


"It was the most symmetrical way I could find of playing with four forwards. One of the great advantages is that having the forwards high allows you to play the midfield high and the defence high, so everybody benefits. But you have to have the right players. They have to be very, very mobile and they have to be able to play when they get the ball. You have to remember that they're pressuring to play, not playing to pressure."


At Leonesa, Lillo had Sami and Teofilo Abajo as his two pivots (the system in Spain is known as the "doble pivot"), with Carlos Nunez, Ortiz and Moreno in front of them and Latapia as the lone forward. Seeing the success of the system Lillo took it to Salamanca. There, according to an editorial in Training Futbol, the players reacted with "faces of incredulity because they thought it was a strange way to play; they responded to the positions they were told to adopt and the distribution of each line of the team with the same sense of strangeness and surprise as someone who had just come face to face with a dinosaur." Nonetheless, it took them to promotion.


The formation rapidly spread. Javier Irureta had been using it with Deportivo la Coruna for a couple of seasons before they won the league title in 2000, and when John Toshack returned to Real Madrid in 1999, he deployed Geremi and Fernando Redondo as his holding midfielders, with Steve McManaman, Raul and Elvir Baljic in front of them and either Anelka or Fernando Morientes as the lone striker.


4-2-3-1's transfer to England – at least in terms of a recognition of it as something distinct from 4-4-2 – came with Manchester United as an emphatic 3-2 home defeat by Real Madrid in the Champions League in 1999-2000 convinced Sir Alex Ferguson that the more orthodox 4-4-2 he had employed to win the treble the previous season had had its day in European competition (although he maintains, with some justification, that he has never played 4-4-2, but has always used split forwards).



Pro-active or reactive?


The great advantage of using the two holders is that it provides a platform on which more creative players can express themselves, effectively allowing dribblers back into the game, but for a purist like Arrigo Sacchi, it is a retrograde step. His AC Milan side won the European Cup in 1989 and 1990 playing a highly fluid and compact 4-4-2. "Today's football is about managing the characteristics of individuals," he said. "And that's why you see the proliferation of specialists. The individual has trumped the collective. But it's a sign of weakness. It's reactive, not pro-active."


Like Valeriy Lobanovskyi, Sacchi was a devotee of universality, believing that if players were capable of operating in multiple positions, they could create an interactive "energy-system" whose effectiveness was greater than the sum of the effectiveness of the individuals within in. It was during his brief spell as sporting director of Real Madrid in 2004, that Sacchi realised just how far football had drifted from his ideals.


"There was no project; it was about exploiting qualities," he said. "So, for example, we knew that Zidane, Raul and Figo didn't track back, so we had to put a guy in front of the back four who would defend. But that's reactionary football. It doesn't multiply the players' qualities exponentially. Which actually is the point of tactics: to achieve this mulitplier effect on the players' abilities. In my football, the regista - the playmaker - is whoever had the ball. But if you have [Claude] Makelele, he can't do that. He doesn't have the ideas to do it, though of course, he's great at winning the ball. It's all about specialists."


In that he has a point, and it may be that today's celebrity players, who enjoy such freedom of movement under modern transfer regulations, would never sublimate themselves to a system as Sacchi demanded his players should. Even at Milan, for all his success, Saachi ended up falling out with Marco van Basten and Ruud Gullit.



Offside considerations


There is a question, anyway, as to whether Sacchi's style could operate in the same way today. His ideal was a maximum of 25m at any moment between centre-back and centre-forward, but that level of pressing demands a high offside line. It may be that the liberalisation of the offside law in recent years has rendered that impossible; certainly few teams operate an offside trap any more.


Lillo, intriguingly, acknowledges that his high-pressing game was conceived to take advantage of the old offside law; his thinking may have diverged from Sacchi's, but he is just as much a part of the tradition of Lobanovskyi and the Total Football of the Dutch. The difference perhaps is that while 4-2-3-1 allows a high defensive line, Sacchi's style of 4-4-2 demands it. The changes to the interpretation of the offside law mean that defences tend to play deeper these days, and the game is therefore more stretched than it was even a decade ago; given that, it is perhaps logical to split the midfield into holders and creators and so play in four bands rather than three. This is not new: the W-M, a 3-2-2-3, was also a system of four bands.



Recent developments


All of which begs the question of whether, given many 4-4-2s were effectively 4-2-3-1s, it matters what we call it. Should we really hail Lillo as a pioneer, when his breakthrough was to do self-consciously and give a name to something that was already happening? Isolating and naming something, though, as Wittgenstein argues, is a highly significant step. Once an idea is understood fully enough that it can be described by a simple term – 4-2-3-1 – then work can begin on developing it. What happened in Spain in the early part of this decade, as the basic template moved from 4-4-2 to 4-2-3-1, was nothing less than a paradigm shift.


Almost every tactical innovation of the past five years can be seen as developments from a 4-2-3-1. That is true of Roma and Manchester United's experiments with strikerless formations, but also of the fluid 4-3-3 of this season's Barcelona.


One of the great advantages of the 3-5-2 was the flexibility offered by the use of three central midfielders. Slaven Bilic still speaks disbelievingly of the flair of Croatia's trio of Robert Prosinecki, Zvonimir Boban and Aljosa Asanovic in the 1998 World Cup, but against Germany in the quarter-final, Prosinecki was replaced by the much more defensive Zvonimir Soldo. Two years later, Italy's interpretation was a stage more defensive: a 3-4-1-2, with Demetrio Albertini and Luigi Di Biagio holding and Stefano Fiore operating as a playmaker.



Midfield flexibility


The triangle of two holders and the central creator in the 4-2-3-1 is similar in that it allows the tone of a side to be changed without a major tactical overhaul. Advance one of the holders and a 4-1-4-1 is created. It was that system to which Spain switched in the Euro 2008 semi-final after Fabregás had come on for the injured David Villa. They retained the shape for the final and, counter-intuitively, probably produced their best football after their top scorer had been ruled out.


More subtly, if United play Anderson or Paul Scholes alongside Michael Carrick, their emphasis is more positive than if Darren Fletcher and Owen Hargreaves occupy the roles. Away against Roma in the Champions League last year, the central creator was withdrawn, forming a 4-3-3 with Carrick, Scholes and Anderson as the midfield, and Park Ji-Sung, Cristiano Ronaldo and Rooney as the forwards.


It is essentially a more attacking version of that shape that Barcelona tend to operate – the two wingers slightly withdrawn off a central striker, with, usually, Xavi Hernandez advanced of two more defensive midfielders. And there is, frankly, no better football in Europe at the moment, in terms of both aesthetics and results.


All tactical systems are relative and, as Lillo stresses, all are reliant on the players available and circumstance. It may be that the overwhelming dominance of 4-4-2 in English thinking means it retains a valuable function, but the closest any of the Big Four come to using it is Arsenal's fluid 4-4-1-1. At the highest level, the paradigm has already shifted: 4-2-3-1 is king.


Nice read... where did you get the link??

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Football / Re: Realistically answer this....
« on: December 17, 2008, 10:56:21 AM »
Shit all that for ah trap lol , sucker we een eh .

I am not trying to nor trap anyone, I am simply seeing if we collectively can come to the real source of our country's problem within the sport and stop looking for excuses and easy way out...Our natural talents are in abundance yet the development pass a certain age is lacking, wouldn't you agree? Let's come up with a plan collectively and present it to the powers to be and offer a positive solution instead of all the negative suggestions without the positive fix.

What do you think?

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Football / Re: Realistically answer this....
« on: December 17, 2008, 10:40:02 AM »
Development dat is Lincon wuk so when d national team is selected d coach eh go have 2 focus on teachin man 2 trap a ball.

So based on this would you blame the coach or Lincoln for the state of our local players today??

Is there really a program out there or are we just trying to educate the local coaches and have them run with it?

Seeing any improments?

So the fix for the national team is to change coaches like socks...?? While our talent level is at a standstill...

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Football / Re: Realistically answer this....
« on: December 17, 2008, 10:10:44 AM »
As a coach isn't it important the levels of talent you have and would have at your disposal? Or maybe not..for we can call up men close to and in their 40's to still help us out. (Pull us out)...




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Football / Realistically answer this....
« on: December 17, 2008, 09:28:12 AM »

New National team coach..despite the team he is taking over...

How long would you say (think) it would take for his program to show improvement not only within the team but within the development of the sport in the country??



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Football / Re: Capello tries to change the way the English think!
« on: December 17, 2008, 08:47:58 AM »
Just the philosophy of teaching the game from the head down is a concept all coaches should acquire...(especially in the youth game).

We have heard it several times from the coaches of the National team over the years, that the players mentality have to change.. but those in authority and even the supports never had the patience with such as some coaches had tried but failed due to support, time and the ever rush for success or your out mentality given especially to some of the local coaches we have had over the years...yet it is a fact and I am glad to see that it has worked for England thus far and I hope it would one day work for my country.


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