So yuh think Birchall playing for T&T cuz that was his first choice from since he was a youth? I doh think so. If Birchy was good enough to rep England, yuh woulda never know he was a Trini. But as fate would have it, this was his best avenue to international football and Talles link him. And as far as I see...his loyalty is not in question. You don't think all of our national team players realize that a good set of performances for T&T could boost their club careers. So Landon has shown he'd like to go to Europe..no question he has extra incentive to play well. But that is the case with almost any player. By your logic, we should question the loyalty of any player who not playing at the highest possible level they could play at...nonsense.
I'm sorry!? Where in my post did I make a general comment about all footballers? I talking about Landon Donovan only! Different players have different reasons for sticking with certain teams and with certain leagues. Birchall situation is nothing similar to Donovan's, how can you make a comparison between them? The reasons for choosing to keep playing for a national team are very different to those of choosing to play for a club side. National teams doh pay yuh daily wage and you only have to play for them ah handful of times per year....I talking about ah fella who choosing to continue a career in a lesser league than prove his supposed class in bigger, more elite leagues. You have completely lost me on your logic there. It is obvious your opinion on what loyalty means is clearly different to mine. To me loyalty in the situation I was discussing, is a player who spurns better options because they have an allegiance with or feel they owe the club they play for. I think Donovan was staying because he doesn't believe the options currently available to him in Europe would actually improve his standing, I do not think he is staying because he loves/or owes the Galaxy or MLS! Now if you argue like Mr Killa an say you disagree with my reasons for why he chooses to stay in the MLS....well ah could understand that. But to me your argument is nonsense.
Mr Killa, yeah we go have to agree to disagree.
breds...if yuh cyah see the analogies, lemme say it another way.....you said you wouldn't call Landon loyal. He basically playing for La Galaxy cuz he couldn't make at a big club in Europe. All I saying is look Birchy playing for T&T cuz he couldn't make playing for England. But that does not mean he is not loyal to T&T cause now that he is made his decision. i agree playing for club and country can be 2 different things, but i can make a similar analogy to many club players. i figured Birchy is someone we could all relate to and the analogy has similarities, like it or not.
my second point, i will retract. i thought you were trying to say he only playing hard cuz he wants to get scouted by a bigger club. that's why i made the point that could be true of any number of footballers. and the national team analogy fits. by that logic any player who plays hard for the national team hoping to be scouted by a big club, or any club player who does the same not necessarily loyal. you can be very loyal to your club or country and still have motivations to succeed that have nothing to do with loyalty. BUT..my bad. It is an irrelevant point. I realize now that was not in your main argument. Hard luck.
In end, you and i doh know Landon personally so we not in a position to talk about him in that way, that is why i use a general examples to say that your reasoning doesn't make sense. your def. of loyalty kinda limited. funny thing is i would put real money on you criticizing Donavan for being unambitious and stupid..if he actually turned down better offers to stay in MLS. perhaps ah wrong, but i guarantee you'd be the only one who would be caling dat loyalty if that was the case
if you still eh see what i getting at cool..we go agree to disagree. hard luck with the 2nd paragraph. i was off base dey