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Football / Re: Michel Poon-Angeron Thread
« on: Today at 08:25:22 AM »
Yall must stop talk stupidness Poon got an injury in training while in Florida thats the only reason he dint make the 23 man squad

Was there an announcement or media release?

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Football / Re: Angus Eve Thread.
« on: Yesterday at 01:08:59 PM »
I think Eve's inclination towards pragmatism caused him to lose very "gettable" points in the end though he would still got fair showing out of the team not good but fair, Fenwick's style and temperament just does not suit this team, result aside, If you looked with an unbiased eye yuh could kinda see "sumting" coming together......kinda....still think he needs to be braver, but yuh could kinda see "sumting", whether it real or mirage should be tested, IMHO, can't say that I could see "sumting" with Fenwick results aside, d players seemed uninterested or a little annoyed on d few occasions yuh could judge facial expressions from d footage of games, dat cyah be ah good sign
whether it’s fenwick, fister or hart, these lads want a friend to pat them on the back, not a coach to prepare them to play for their country. I want to know were they disinterested playing for lawrence as well thus the reason they lost 17 games in succession? this international football is not about some prima donnas coming together to lime with the boys and hustle some match fees and head back to their clubs, this is about pride in the uniform. just look at quoto, Quintero and zardes how those guys go out and kill themselves for the shirt, you think they give a damn about who’s coaching them? no, it’s all about the shirt and the fans who travel thousands of miles to see them play. our lads could give less than a damn about that ttfa logo on their uniform, or the flag for that matter, in fact it’s all about them.

in the absolute beginning no maybe not, as tings progress yes, Trinis have fragile sensibilities, annoyingly so, for d most part, Trinis unfortunately like winners and "advantage ting" so Lawrence's collapse to abject failure would have lead to d same said loss of confidence/interest, with Hart it was blatant undermining by d new Admin to get local club players in the team even though it had been proven time and time again dat dem fellas couldn' deal with d pace required by Hart.

did Eve fail, yes, can dat failure be interpreted as abject?, eye of d beholder ting dat, but as I said, I could kinda see "sumting" dey, for whatever dat is worth, can I be proven wrong? yes.....but at dis stage ah willing to find out.

Just want to say that it's more than "something". He clearly has ability as a coach--proven. He certainly cares about the players, staff, and the wellbeing of the country, which is extremely important. He certainly can motivate players and get the best out of them.
Now his over cautious approach to the games (because of fitness and the personnel available to him), was clearly the wrong approach. Too much respect for those opposition. A stronger attacking force certainly puts teams on their back foot.

But it is certainly more than just "something".

As I said somewhere else, I think he is nearly ready, but lacks either courage or belief to make the riskier choices

aka: wanting the job and planning to defend that desire "on his record".

An doh disagree with the thrust of your contribution.

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Football / Re: Whet's Next for the TTMNT?
« on: Yesterday at 01:06:02 PM »

Get the U23 and U19 players for the next cycle. If what pull stones say about the ages of these guys is true, then we certainly need new blood. No two ways about it.

Doh leh Cyrus hear yuh.

Ooonoo tink seh mih dun? Me juss a come! ;D

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Football / Re: Angus Eve Thread.
« on: Yesterday at 12:57:47 PM »
Sancho, La Forest share mixed feelings over tenure of Soca Warriors' coach Eve
By Joel Bailey (T&T Newsday)


FORMER Trinidad and Tobago players Brent Sancho and Ron La Forest are both pleased with Angus Eve’s performance, thus far, as T&T interim men’s coach.

However, with Eve’s contract set to expire on August 31, both stayed clear of endorsing the ex-national midfielder and captain as a long-term coach.

Sancho is concerned about the immediate future of the T&T men’s team while La Forest is willing to assist Eve in the technical department.

Eve replaced Terry Fenwick as T&T coach on June 13. At the Concacaf Gold Cup qualifiers, Eve guided the team past Montserrat (6-1) and French Guiana (8-7 on penalties after a 1-1 result at the end of regulation time) to qualify for the Gold Cup.

And, at the Gold Cup, T&T drew goalless with Mexico, lost 2-0 to El Salvador and held Guatemala to a 1-1 tie.

Sancho, the ex-T&T central defender, said on Tuesday, “Angus deserves credit for what he has done, as it relates to where the team was off the field, the toxic environment. To turn around the troops, to give a courageous performance is a true testament to what he’s been able to do.”

Also on Tuesday, La Forest, the former national striker, said, “Angus did his utmost best, which I applaud and appreciate very much, in terms of putting the (team) together as quick as possible, getting them to buy in as quickly as possible. That was very admirable.

“I would have done the same thing too,” he continued. “With the previous coach, we were playing too tense, like they were in a boot camp. Angus did a tremendous job in terms of binding them together, getting back a little smile on their (faces), which is good for us.”

La Forest, the ex-Joe Public, Ma Pau and Guaya FC coach, queried the tactics used by Eve in T&T’s opening Group A game against Mexico on July 10.

“I felt he surrendered early, in terms of giving them all that respect,” La Forest said. “We played Mexico and it was a ding-dong battle between us. I wasn’t too pleased with that performance. I felt as though he dropped shoulders too soon.

According to the former T&T Under-17 coach, “I could see where he tried to come from. He felt Mexico was the hardest team in the group. He could have (gotten) a nucleus of players to go and play against Mexico. You don’t want to give away too much chances against them.”

La Forest listed the outfield players he would have used against Mexico – defenders Triston Hodge, Alvin Jones, Aubrey David and Jelani Peters, Mekeil Williams and Neveal Hackshaw as defensive midfielders, Noah Powder and Reon Moore on the flanks with Kevin Molino as the attacking midfielder and Marcus Joseph as the centre-forward.

“Had we gone with that,” said La Forest, “I think the other two games would have been much easier. He wouldn’t have to be making (many) changes to break the chemistry. He gave in too early because of Mexico ranking.”

With regards to the position of T&T coach when Eve’s contract ends, Sancho said, “For us to answer the question of whether or not Angus should continue in the job, we, the stakeholders in football, have to address the current situation.

“I think a lot of it comes down to where we want to be, what we’re trying to do, where we want to achieve, whether or not we’re looking for a young team, that is geared for the 2026 World Cup. Are we going to recruit heavily overseas, to look for players with (T&T parentage)?”

Sancho added, “We also have to address the local league situation and whether or not the players are developing properly. All those questions need to be asked first, and then look for the person that suits that answer. It makes no sense making emotional decisions or making decisions based on a couple of games. We have to take a holistic approach at this.”

La Forest, who previously indicated his desire to serve as T&T coach when Fenwick was sacked, said, “I would like to be part of the (technical team) also. I could bring experience to the table. At least have a senior person around to show them that helping hand in terms of the best way forward.”

LaForest campaigning HARD for employment.

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Football / Re: Angus Eve Thread.
« on: July 20, 2021, 10:39:48 AM »
Verdict?


Is he the man for the job? We are running out of matches to know for sure. Only one left and the findings are inconclusive at best. He could be.

It is why a few weeks ago, in response to a question posed by Anbrat, I suggested that there could be a renewed interim period.


A word of caution to the NC:

Do NOT commit to engaging the Interim Head Coach on a full-time basis based exclusively on performance/qualification/ tournament progress/ other similar configuration.
On what basis should the Interim Head Coach be engaged?

I'll respond in possibly two parts. One here and the other, if necessary, separately.

The range of requisites and considerations for fulfilling the interim role are exceeded by the range of requisites and considerations for the longer-term position. Progression through the tournament should be a discussion starter, rather than constitute securing of the longer term role. 

Substantive response

The first concern is a durational concern: what period should the interim appointment span. Tied to this is defining the precise objective of the interim appointment and the precise benefit sought.

Proposition 1: The interim period should be narrowly construed and construed as narrowly as pragmatic.

The Gold Cup Preliminary Tournament spans July 2 - July 6. The Gold Cup runs from July 10 - August 1. The absence of an appropriate transitional period between July 6 and July 10 suggests that the interim period should contemplate the Preliminary Tournament and the Gold Cup.

If qualification for the GC does not occur, the start of the identification process for a permanent NT coach would and should be triggered on either July 2 or July 6. If GC qualification occurs, the date on which the longer-term identification process is triggered is dependent on the date of GC exit.

Proposition 2: During the interim period, the selection committee should be engaged in orienting itself with alternative candidates for the FT role. It is not necessary that the interim coach have an interest in the longer-term position or be considered for the longer-term role. Indeed that parameter must be defined, either positively or negatively at the outset. It has to be clear. Regardless, that parallel process should be engaged in as a contingency.

The NT appointment is a multiyear assignment and project, of which we can be beneficiaries due to our early elimination. We are 1.5 years away from the start of the Qatar WC and 3.5 years before the 2026 cycle. That's better than borrowed time.

Proposition 3: The larger quantum of that time we use sensibly the better (tied to Proposition 2).

The GC tournament is a solitary event similar in format to the actual WC and demands many of the management challenges tied to a WC. As such, it is a reasonable template for observation of decision-making. However, the focus of the hire should be on a candidate who can progress the competencies and sophistication of the team in keeping with the modern evolution of the game. That is, beyond results, the hire is charged with transformation. If the hire is not a transformative hire, we would be squandering borrowed time. Ground floor transformation. Transformation of culture. Root and branch transformation.

Twinning continuity in the gig merely on the basis of progression through the tournament would be short-sighted because that would ignore some critical dimensions of the job not implicated during the tournament and ignore concerns that ought not be ignored within the dysfunction of the present football ecosystem.

The FIFA windows for 2021 are August 30-September 8 and October 4-October 13.

Proposition 4: The assignment of the longer-term role should commence during the first of these windows. 

That is an on balance call, a question of interpretation and the subject of cost-benefit analysis.

The alternative assignment of the longer-term role would be the January 2022 window. In which event, there could be more than one interim appointment. That may seem inefficient or counterintuitive, but it yields a prospective benefit. However, as a caveat, in terms of timing, it should be considered that mid-year assignments tend to limit the pool of best qualified candidates. That stated, timing is not an insurmountable hurdle if the identification of the eventual candidate is targeted strategically.

I am of the view that Eve's tenure as NT coach should be extended. I can make a case for his continuation and I can make a case against it. However, on balance + nuances, I am of the view that his tenure should be extended with parameters.

Also, there should be comprehensive post-tournament reports submitted for review (technical, logistical, administrative, medical etc.) to the NC, not merely celebration of the points accumulated.

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Football / Re: Thread for T&T vs Guatemala (18-Jul-2021)
« on: July 20, 2021, 10:07:08 AM »
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/hk0q0MEWxcc?start=202" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/hk0q0MEWxcc?start=202</a>

Youtube lets you set the playback speed. Slow down to 0.25X under Settings (the gear wheel symbol below) and check out the screen that Powder eat for the Guatemala goal. All the defensive heads on the board - how you defend against this?

A 4th player would have helped block/impede Gordillo's path to the ball.

Other observation: if we had a player in an anticipatory countering role (1 v 1+GK), they would have had to adjust the position of their players at the edge of the penalty area. That frees up an additional defender for us closer to the targeted drop zone and would have aided defending their CB's header.

Strikes me that we are set up to win the ball/goal kick, rather than to concretely defend the corner. We are certainly not positioned to propose a counter.

Big difference in outcome between defending between (a) man and goal and defending between (b) ball and man.

Other interesting nuance is that they have a player on the line in addition to the kicker of the corner. Really well-thought out and crafted corner kick. Damn good equalizer, although we could probably have done a better job of managing the spaces and situation.

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Football / Re: Thread for T&T vs Guatemala (18-Jul-2021)
« on: July 20, 2021, 09:59:19 AM »
Youtube lets you set the playback speed. Slow down to 0.25X under Settings (the gear wheel symbol below) and check out the screen that Powder eat for the Guatemala goal. All the defensive heads on the board - how you defend against this?
You have to anticipate that they can set a screen, players do this reguarly on corners and set pieces. I'm sure this is not the first time Powder or our players has experienced this at his level. I give Guatemala credit because they executed it well but when defending you and your teammates have to be on the same page/communicate that if one player gets screened and is obstructed, the other teammate go with the player and the one who was screened take the player he was marking. If not the open player who came off the screen will always be open to attack those balls.
Another way to defend it is through zonal marking where the players are responsible for certain spaces, since they're not man marking it's harder to set a screen....but that could cause problems if the lacks chemistry as it could lead to uncertainty and players assuming the other teammate would've cleared that ball.
But yea, I noticed that's what happened to Powder on the goal last night but by the time he recovered it was too late.

Although that moment in time is the obvious critical moment, there are other questions that can be asked about the entire defensive organization. We have 11 players defending that corner. They have 9 players placed to support or attack the corner. The outcome of the corner shouldn't have turned exclusively on what was in part a 3 v 3 matchup that went belly-up, but these things happen. Doesn't just come down to Powder.

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Football / Re: Thread for T&T vs Guatemala (18-Jul-2021)
« on: July 19, 2021, 05:22:01 PM »
I don't want to be the bearer of bad news, but the goal scored by the goalscorer is one of his trademarks.

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Football / Re: Thread for T&T vs Guatemala (18-Jul-2021)
« on: July 19, 2021, 10:59:52 AM »
Eve say in the post-match conference that personal fitness played a big part. How much more could we have done with fit players? It was 5 games in about 2 weeks, that had to take a toll. I feel short-changed in that we can't accurately assess the team's ability if they not fit. Also if we had Hyland, Bateau and Levi we would have had a much stronger team. Even if we playing ultra-defensive, Levi is a reliable outlet for a counter-attack, and he woulda stretched their back lines.
Eve also said he rested Molino because he just came back from injury, fair enough, he has to consider Molino's career in a situation where we were highly unlikely to progress.
In this tournament I didn't think the formations used were good for Molino. He needs a fellow attacker near him in the attacking third to combine with. His clever passes and movement are what make him great. He not goin to dribble through 3 men but he will certainly take then out the equation with a pass or a run.
When is Copa Caribe?

Yuh light de stove and yuh cooking with gas. 🔥

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Football / Re: Thread for T&T vs Guatemala (18-Jul-2021)
« on: July 19, 2021, 09:31:31 AM »

d constant needless back passes annoying


We playing a lot of backward passes right now.

We've probably played about 7 to 8 minutes worth of negative passes out of the 90 minutes.

Honestly, that is the norm for most teams, clubs and national teams. But last night is was driving me f**king crazy.

It was driving you crazy because it was probably beyond the standard deviation. It seemed to have driven many/several observers crazy. Not sure that includes the coach.

I view a lot of football. You view a lot of football. When last you have been that put off by negative passes?

I view it as an issue that could have been resolved and should have been resolved relatively quickly, but I am also absorbing that it has grown roots genetically.

When used in European football it is accompanied by other actions designed to spark penetration. The players were not balanced in applying it as an unlocking instrument.

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Football / Re: Thread for T&T vs Guatemala (18-Jul-2021)
« on: July 19, 2021, 09:17:14 AM »
Having looked at Panama vs Honduras and the speed and movement . I looked at the first half and saw the backward passes and the slow pace except for the goal . Then no Molino , Muskeete, Ryan.
 It was just the thought that I would not be seeing my beloved team for a long time in a competitive tournament that had me tuned in. Eve Tried but not ready for this level. Financially it may make sense to keep  him but we are back to the same narrative - Hire a foreign coach near Competition time.
 The more things change the more they remain the same.

Ah! You've taken me to precisely something I had a look at. I posted some of the stats above. One stat not included was number of passes.

Knowing the passing stat for Guatemala vs T&T match (406 to 391), curiosity led me to comparing it to the match you cited and two other matches. Interestingly enough, in that match Panama had 54% possession and 323 passes while Honduras with 46% of possession made 276 passes in a 3-2 victory for Honduras. The possession stat in Guate vs T&T was 52% vs 48%.

What does that suggest comparatively about efficient use of the ball?


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Football / Re: Thread for T&T vs Guatemala (18-Jul-2021)
« on: July 19, 2021, 04:37:03 AM »
Relevant stats

Corners (11 for Guatemala ... 7 for T&T)
Shots (16 vs 7)
SOG ( 3 vs 4)
Possession (52% vs 48%)

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Football / Re: Thread for T&T vs Guatemala (18-Jul-2021)
« on: July 18, 2021, 10:34:05 PM »
We let 5 points evaporate during the tournament. 5 points would have won the group.
 

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Football / Re: Thread for T&T vs Guatemala (18-Jul-2021)
« on: July 18, 2021, 10:29:58 PM »
Its so easy to be critical than to be correct-  I putting this to rest as  expectations were close to what was expected given the turmoil , the preparation and the availability of players, I think the team availed itself well. I am encouraged by the  progression on the youthful and primarily local  flavor. We are short in some attacking players and  in  being assertive and stronger on the ball but with these youths those things will come.
All the best Warriors- I like how allyuh hold allyuh own. Is not like we got blown out. El Sav is the only team that give we little headache.
 Doh sweat we coming back stronger. Eve ah know you eh getting ' the kinda  dough that 'Pull stones ' partner getting but yuh hung in there and  kept the team morale up. Experience  at this level is  all good . You deserve some time to build on what you have going here.
 All the best to all Warriors and fans- I gone till next time.

There's a long stretch between now and August 31.

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Football / Re: Thread for T&T vs Guatemala (18-Jul-2021)
« on: July 18, 2021, 10:08:11 PM »
Verdict?

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Football / Re: Thread for T&T vs Guatemala (18-Jul-2021)
« on: July 18, 2021, 10:07:02 PM »
Eve remind a lot of Mou too much needless caution sink we 

Lately allyuh gehhin real disrespectful with Jose. :P

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Football / Re: Thread for T&T vs Guatemala (18-Jul-2021)
« on: July 18, 2021, 10:03:25 PM »

d constant needless back passes annoying


We playing a lot of backward passes right now.

We've probably played about 7 to 8 minutes worth of negative passes out of the 90 minutes.

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Football / Re: Thread for T&T vs Guatemala (18-Jul-2021)
« on: July 18, 2021, 09:40:40 PM »
if i've ever seen a team that needed drubbing and angus sits tight with the substitutions when goals are needed.......sigh..........

Yes. The Mexican commentators are curious about just that.

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Football / Re: Thread for T&T vs Guatemala (18-Jul-2021)
« on: July 18, 2021, 09:37:59 PM »
is angus shitting me or what, guatemala has a rookie goal keeper on the field yet his best goal scorers are on the bench gathering dust, not to mention he has these two laborers in the midfield fortune and arcia who continues to stall the attack, no angus you got a big D by me for your team selection, and it's the 60th minute and still no changes.

Methinks yuh right.

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Football / Re: Thread for T&T vs Guatemala (18-Jul-2021)
« on: July 18, 2021, 09:24:22 PM »
Our target for this match was 5 goals, no? Then why not play with more goals in mind before an equalizer arrives?

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Football / Re: Thread for T&T vs Guatemala (18-Jul-2021)
« on: July 18, 2021, 08:46:25 PM »
Mexico 1 - ES 0

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Football / Re: Thread for T&T vs Guatemala (18-Jul-2021)
« on: July 18, 2021, 08:14:25 PM »
They may be playing 5 in the back. I am seeing 3 CBs on the starting XI.

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Football / Re: Thread for T&T vs Guatemala (18-Jul-2021)
« on: July 18, 2021, 06:17:32 PM »
Who is your alternative to Khan? He wasn't recalled.

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Football / Re: Thread for T&T vs Guatemala (18-Jul-2021)
« on: July 18, 2021, 04:38:50 PM »
Guatemala will likely play 4 in the back today.

While there's a notably slim chance Lodero would go with 3 and load the MF, historically he favors 4-5-1 or 4-4-2 for success.

Although he intends on being offensive-minded, it would be a departure for him (a) to play 4-3-3 or (b) 4 lines.

The reasonably safe money is on him being conservative (4-5-1/4-4-2) and attempting to negate both the center and the flanks while proposing an attacking threat ... because he likes to keep things as uncomplicated and straightforward as possible.

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Football / Re: Thread for T&T vs Guatemala (18-Jul-2021)
« on: July 18, 2021, 02:49:02 PM »
Post your gut as to the starters you think will feature tonight and post your view on how you would like the team to start (if there's a difference between both).

I wouldn't be surprised to see Foncette.

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Football / Re: 2021 Concacaf Gold Cup Thread
« on: July 18, 2021, 01:29:49 PM »
i saw Qatar play Grenada and even Grenada is playing better football than TT hiring local coach's for the past 10 years has totally destroyed TT football.
grenada played better than TT? Mate I don’t know which game you were watching but I believe you better get your eyes checked, in fact get your brain checked. grenada was the absolute worst of all the CFU teams in this tournament, their defense was shite and their offense only went as far as the 18 years box. honduras ran rings around then and so did qatar. I think is time to sell your tv and pick up knitting, your time will be better served.
Did I say anything about being the worst team in CFU ?I said Grenada played better football in there 2 games than we did in our 2 games they tried to have build up play from the defence to the fowards TT build up play was non existent.

Yes, Grenada did present a semblance of build-up play. I noted somewhere on the forum that their midfield acquisition Norburn was a very good addition. He tried to move the ball on the surface to impact the game. Had he a TT nationality claim, he would have been a useful player for us.

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Football / Re: Thread for T&T vs Guatemala (18-Jul-2021)
« on: July 18, 2021, 11:09:17 AM »
Post your gut as to the starters you think will feature tonight and post your view on how you would like the team to start (if there's a difference between both).

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Football / Re: T&T Kit Thread
« on: July 18, 2021, 05:22:20 AM »
Is $90 for the match jersey. Kinda steep for the brand. It look nice though.

https://bolfootball.com/products/the-trinidad-tobago-game-jersey-away?variant=40043030020261

Ent. Optimistic pricing out of whack with the state of play.

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Football / Re: Thread for T&T vs Guatemala (18-Jul-2021)
« on: July 18, 2021, 05:16:34 AM »
Anther test coming up- Guat did put up a fight against Mexico and had some offensive attacks going- at this stage in our development no team is a pushover- even today if we faced Anguilla or Bangadlesh we would be in for a test.
Hope to see improvements in:

striker position- some one has to step up and create havoc in the box
 We need to be more of an offensive threat
3. Our offensive build up and attack have to be evident as we press forward and keep pressure on defence
4. Need some creative flair up front
5 - our midfield trio needs some work- not defensively on the ball not offensively controlling or setting up the attack

we have no choice but to go for it. with a slim mathematical chance we hadda score goals we might also not concede but at this stage all bets are off
stop worrying your head mate and just rock back and enjoy our last game in a while. as previously mentioned, mexico is a top team in the world for a reason, they don’t fall victim to minnows, but instead go out and get the job done with precision and accuracy. they don’t live in wonderland like us in CFU, in reality they are concacaf giants for a reason.

nah I not worrying I know is ah fraction of ah percentage odds, I jus want to see us play with more enterprise from d word go
which enterprise you want, the one in chaguanas or the one in space?

Enterprise is like political will: It can happen if the "powers that be" insist on pursuing the agenda.

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Football / Re: 2021 Concacaf Gold Cup Thread
« on: July 17, 2021, 10:11:19 PM »
Qioto finished with flourishes of a player named Samuel Eto'o (particularly on the ball over the top from Alvarez).

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