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Football / Re: TTFA League of Champions
« on: February 05, 2020, 01:30:40 PM »
Even 17 is pushing it. Only a couple great ones made it past that age and phase. Ridiculous idea. The history, science and sense says No. Just the social aspect causes issues in all manners of life. This is well documented as a detriment to growth.
So what about the 17 and 18 year olds playing across Europe. Didn't a 17 year old score 2 for Barcelona this weekend. Or even closer to home.....does anyone remember a certain Dwight Yorke.
All those Signal Hill Championship teams....who you think they used to play against before they came to Trinidad ??

Playing above your normal level, once the focus is still on development, can pay dividends. Not just for 'star' players. Non-core and fringe players can increase understanding and physical attributes playing up-level.

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Football / Re: TTFA League of Champions
« on: February 05, 2020, 01:14:36 PM »
Even 17 is pushing it. Only a couple great ones made it past that age and phase. Ridiculous idea. The history, science and sense says No. Just the social aspect causes issues in all manners of life. This is well documented as a detriment to growth.
So what about the 17 and 18 year olds playing across Europe. Didn't a 17 year old score 2 for Barcelona this weekend. Or even closer to home.....does anyone remember a certain Dwight Yorke.
All those Signal Hill Championship teams....who you think they used to play against before they came to Trinidad ??
Donít think you have ever seen 15 prodigies playing together anywhere. Prodigies and special talents do exist, but you talking about a team. In coming up playing with big men, did he play all positions ? Did everyone he play with was as good as him. Could you find 23 of that ilk across the Caribbean? Especially to make a team ( different positions) ? We trying to build a future snr National team, we canít possibly burnout and injure the best possible prospects at every position, before they get to the important phase. Just an opinion based on studies and science.

Wish it was so easy to make another Yorke, Latas , Archibald or  Cummings.  Until we really know, will leave that to God.
add: Still it's very few, hardly ever a full team, even on a world level.

God might 'make' Yorks or Latapys, but he not running practice.  The responsibility for build a proper foundation and creating the conditions for athletes to reach their full potential is solely the responsibility of man. We must take ownership for that. So far we have not.

I'm not sure what peer-reviewed science says elite athletes should not be pushed. I'm pretty sure a decisive factor separating our youth teams from the top tier of CONCACAF is our over-reliance on practice concepts and strong reluctance to test these concepts under sustained competitive pressure. I'm pretty sure this reluctance to introduce competitive pressure at an earlier age poses a far greater threat to development than possible injury to some 'star' player.

Terry Fenwick succeeded largely by giving local teenagers key leadership responsibilities in defence and midfield of his Jabloteh and Central teams of the 2010s. These teams ran away with successive league titles and were competitive against top club teams in CONCACAF, thereby upending the anachronistic cultural idea that 'yutes cyan run wid big man'.

I think its a safe bet that Fenwick will do better than the last coach, who, ironically, selected the oldest team in CONCACAF and simultaneously compiled the worst record in Trinidad and Tobago history.

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Football / Re: TTFA League of Champions
« on: February 03, 2020, 07:37:46 PM »
It's wildly inappropriate to put U15s up against adults - where else would we feel it appropriate to have adults play sports against a child? We having a spelling bee with 14 year old Timmy vs a truck driver from Sando? What about wrestling between Justin in fourth form and 32 year-old Gary from San Juan?

They won't learn anything useful - this type of thinking is what killed youth development in England for so long. The only kids able to compete are physically more developed, which leads to a bias towards fast, strong players, to the great detriment of technically proficient players. How are they going to compete on corners? Free Kicks?

Just to put this into perspective, I'm an U14's coach - we play 30 minute halves, for a total of 60 minutes, on a smaller pitch. This is what is developmentally appropriate. Throwing kids onto a full-sized pitch for 90 minutes will not benefit their development.

Are the kids you coach national level athletes, some of who may realistically play in a FIFA youth world cup?

It is irresponsible to throw children into an adult sporting environment with no thought given to their care and development. Having won several national championships as an athlete, and later as coach to both adults and youth, I have first hand experience with this.

These kids are at a transitional stage.  At national level we have to start introducing youth to the rigors of the adult game at this very age group. IMO the most challenging aspect of this transition is not physical; its a shift in mindset that needs to be managed with a maximum of care and consideration for the athletes. But it must be done.

15 year old keepers? Maybe, 15 year old outfield players? Exceptional to the extreme. 15 year olds have another foot to grow and a lot more muscle to pile on. They are often going through or just hit puberty, with fragile egos and conflicting emotions.

The most challenging aspect is definitely the physical - technicality doesn't matter when someone can (fairly) muscle you off the ball with ease. The mindset can be achieved with small changes in year groups, specifically managed. Youth leagues generally forbids moving someone more than 2 year groups up, for example.


Perhaps this particular league was not suited to their needs. Regardless, we are well behind the CONCACAF curve in introducing young players into more serious environments. The last U-15s were reportedly together for almost two years. Yet they were as sub-par on a relative basis as past teams that did not have the benefit of staying together. What could be at the root of this performance issue?


Saying we have a tendency to 'baby' our young men and women may have been a bit harsh. To rephrase....Has the football fraternity in Trinidad and Tobago been more comfortable sustaining an amateur sporting culture, and as a corollary showed reluctance to introduce some elements of a more professional culture for our youth?

IMO the physical challenge of playing up can be surmountable by most young athletes. Many opposing CA coaches commend our physicality. Yet T&T youngsters are invariably the first to be winded on the pitch. They often concede heavily during the final moments of games. Over and over again we hear respected national coaches single out the fact that their Central American peers are exposed to more demanding playing environments at an earlier age, as that 'edge' separating those squads from ours.

I'm clearly no football pundit, but this 'edge' seems based on mindset strengths acquired by earlier exposure to serious environments where they learn to adapt to greater physical and and mental performance benchmarks.  Compare those environments to the persistence of the SSFL as a primary benchmark of Trinidad and Tobago players.

Lets be honest. That the SSFL is a STILL an important performance benchmark is very much a reflection of outdated views toward the game/social conventions. Due to our social attitudes, have we been reluctant to embrace professional football as a career path for youth? Are we effectively delaying their entry into the professional ranks to a certain extent? How detrimental has this been to their development?  Part of an effective platform to move forward football should include building on structures that promote professionalism, and give youth greater choice, and responsibility, for their own development.

We also have to be cognizant of deep-seated attitudes that over-emphasize theoretical development at the expense of playing competitive games. This 'Practice champ' national team training over the last 2 years at U-15 has been  an utter failure.

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Football / Re: TTFA League of Champions
« on: February 03, 2020, 06:02:28 PM »
As a coach I was part of a program that took 2nd and 3rd formers that were part of a club program and played then in an adult 'village league'. the results over the 2 years that they participated were exceptional. The first year they lost heavily and the learning curve was steep. At the end of the first year they were miles ahead of their peers. By the end of the 2nd year one boy was training with the National U17 with the likes of Shanon Gomez and levi Garcia. Another eventually left on football scholarship.

You do the math.

I think these kind of results are possible with CAREFUL planning, and taking into account physiological and psychological challenges that might be faced.

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Football / Re: TTFA League of Champions
« on: January 31, 2020, 03:41:55 PM »
It's wildly inappropriate to put U15s up against adults - where else would we feel it appropriate to have adults play sports against a child? We having a spelling bee with 14 year old Timmy vs a truck driver from Sando? What about wrestling between Justin in fourth form and 32 year-old Gary from San Juan?

They won't learn anything useful - this type of thinking is what killed youth development in England for so long. The only kids able to compete are physically more developed, which leads to a bias towards fast, strong players, to the great detriment of technically proficient players. How are they going to compete on corners? Free Kicks?

Just to put this into perspective, I'm an U14's coach - we play 30 minute halves, for a total of 60 minutes, on a smaller pitch. This is what is developmentally appropriate. Throwing kids onto a full-sized pitch for 90 minutes will not benefit their development.

Are the kids you coach national level athletes, some of who may realistically play in a FIFA youth world cup?

It is irresponsible to throw children into an adult sporting environment with no thought given to their care and development. Having won several national championships as an athlete, and later as coach to both adults and youth, I have first hand experience with this.

These kids are at a transitional stage.  At national level we have to start introducing youth to the rigors of the adult game at this very age group. IMO the most challenging aspect of this transition is not physical; its a shift in mindset that needs to be managed with a maximum of care and consideration for the athletes. But it must be done.

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Football / Re: TTFA League of Champions
« on: January 31, 2020, 03:11:49 PM »
The U-15s should now be transitioning to U-17, for the purposes of FIFA. Likeise U-17 to U-20. At what age should they be introduced to league play? Should they be allowed to play in domestic competitions at all?

At what age should they be allowed to play 1st team or 2nd tier football for their professional clubs?

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Football / Re: TTFA League of Champions
« on: January 31, 2020, 05:14:22 AM »
I thought this would have been a good time to have reinstated the National Elite Under 15 Team to this competition.

What's elite about the League of Champions? Square hole,  round peg.

Does it have to be elite? Perhaps this might be a useful initial step to introduce them to a more physical environment than the colleges league they are used to. Might be an insightful gauge as to who can elevate their game understanding, aggression, speed, and risk taking,. The same qualities the Tech stated it wants the T&T player defined by, at every level.

Well,  much of what you want to achieve could be achieved by playing against the U17s who would have a mutual stake in the tactical benefit of that match-up. From there there are a variety of ways to progress the challenge without leaving the NT environment.

I don't think we can overcome certain obstacles by just playing 2-3 games against the U-17s..... That has been done over and over for at least a decade now.  Playing the U-17s will teach them...how to play the U-17s. Playing as a team against multiple teams with multiple variables/unknowns  in a league format would be far more beneficial. Game understanding and ability to adapt would be accelerated. And they can still play the U-17s. The U15s and U-17s in transition to the next age cohort should be both be playing in such a league instead of SSFL if we weren't jokers. No serious nation in CONCACAF has their youth playing schoolboy football. Again,  The "Big man" football in this league may not be ideal but its a rough SIMULATION of what the best nations of CONCACAF and the world do.  And its what WE need. We have to remove these football diapers from these youths and stop wiping they backsides for them.

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Football / Re: TTFA League of Champions
« on: January 31, 2020, 04:56:40 AM »
Disagree totally. The theory being subscribed to by those in favour of placing them in the League of Champions is the Theory of Big Man Football. What they need as a team is structured development not unstructured physicality against haphazard opposition. None of their colleagues in a systemic U15 NT environment are being tossed to the wolves on the off chance that they learn football the hard way. While some individual players find uninhibited  benefit in that rudimentary environment, it is not the appropriate venue  for the full NT squad.

How is it unstructured physicality? And how is that any different from wild running SSFL opposition that these guys often have to face? They are supposed to be taking the lead of the coach, not from the opposition.  Its up to a coach to communicate what he or she wants and see who can fulfill instructions under pressure. I take your point. However we have a long history of over-estimating and coddling young players. With obvious results.

This is certainly not an ideal environment, but its not necessarily an inappropriate one.. Our cultural/natural inclination is not to support but to stand out on the pitch. T&T players simply need a LOT more time together than other national set-ups. We are not the same as Costa Rica, the U S. or Honduras. We must play to our strengths AND address our weaknesses. If we just continue the usual of mimicking what others used to do 10 years ago we might as well pack it in. If this league is not ideal we better find another quick time to address the challenge of teamwork


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Football / Re: TTFA League of Champions
« on: January 30, 2020, 07:36:01 PM »
I thought this would have been a good time to have reinstated the National Elite Under 15 Team to this competition.



Correct.We supposedly have a player and tactical template now. Let them test it in the fire of competition.

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Football / Re: TTFA League of Champions
« on: January 30, 2020, 07:30:03 PM »
I thought this would have been a good time to have reinstated the National Elite Under 15 Team to this competition.

What's elite about the League of Champions? Square hole,  round peg.

Does it have to be elite? Perhaps this might be a useful initial step to introduce them to a more physical environment than the colleges league they are used to. Might be an insightful gauge as to who can elevate their game understanding, aggression, speed, and risk taking,. The same qualities the Tech stated it wants the T&T player defined by, at every level.

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Entertainment & Culture Discussion / Re: 2020 Calypsoes
« on: January 27, 2020, 01:23:22 AM »
Aaron Duncan - Caught Up (Official Music Video) "2020 Soca" [HD]

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/VuaWE2SwxOs" target="_blank" class="new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/VuaWE2SwxOs</a>

Very impressive. A real original, fresh sound with a respectful nod to the past. This youth has bright future.

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Football / Re: Nigel Myers Thread
« on: January 08, 2020, 12:32:10 PM »
Congrats on your appontment Tallman. Represent!

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Football / Re: Shahdon Winchester Thread
« on: December 22, 2019, 02:18:02 PM »
Very sad that such a young and talented person is taken from us. RIP and condolences to family and friends

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Dennis Lawrence isn't exactly a "local coach"

Certainly not any more "local" than SH was

ALL coaches have their preferences....bias some might say.

De same Beenie kept Latas on the bench until the very last game when we were already out in the world cup

Ranjitsingh didn't play under SH either.  Different circumstances I know....but still the fact remains.



Beenhakker and Hart were regarded as successful coaches. If you achieve success, you are given leeway to bench and play favourites.

But if you are approaching 'worst coach ever' status at breakneck speed the way Lawrence is/has then you have will have a hell of a time justifying inclusions/exclusions/strategy.


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Football / Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
« on: November 27, 2019, 06:57:04 PM »
Lol As much as Jack is a corrupt individual he is right...Anguilla should have been a task for Green machine or El Dorado. Even Trinity could beat Anguilla

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Football / Re: TTFA News Thread.
« on: November 27, 2019, 06:50:54 PM »
There is cause for optimism...cautious optimism....going forward. The congratulatory note to Aubrey David was a nice touch.

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"mate I suggest you go back and watch TT vs. mexico 4th game of the last hex, we drilled a first team mexico who actually threw every thing at us, and their coach juan carlos osario was going ape on the side lines yelling at the top of his lungs, and when the referee blew the final whistle osario was relieved that he actually came away with all the points and you could see a huge weight lifted off his shoulders that his team didnít concede.

"I was at the stadium that night and saw how the team played and those guy were good as any team in concacaf, in fact I thought we were victims of a scheme when we had a goal disallowed by the Jamaican referee and linesman and I actually believe had we not been the victim of a scheme we could ha 3 beaten them.

after the team flopped out the hex I noticed that the players didnít want to play anymore, I think it was in part that they didnít want to help DJW look good and wanted him gone, believe me mate those guys could play better football than what we saw in the last two years, just like jovin said, he didnít want to play anymore for a coach who didnít respect him. I believe with a good South american coach we could climb up the ranks and become a contender again."




I agree with everything you have just said. I made the point earlier that the core of this team played in two world cups. They were the beneficiaries of of a strong development program. Their predecessors, a very talented team U-17 included Keon Daniel (who was highly regarded as a youth player), Hyland, Matthew Bartholemew, Guerra and Lester Peltier received poor preparation and lost out to Jamaica in CONCACAF qualifying.


After that the TTFF committed to better preparing the next youth team. They started by sending them to the Dallas Cup, then CFU tournaments at U-14 level, then quality international friendlies. They gradually built them into the 2007 and 2009 youth World Cup teams. Their success was the result of years of hard work, dedication and support.


Do we have good players that have been handicapped by poor coaching? Absolutely. But when these guys get injured, or need someone to step up, or when they are gone from the scene who have we developed and nurtured as their replacements?


Not only have TTFA abdicated the responsibility of development, they also committed to a coach who does nor have an eye on the future. Lawrence has not effectively incorporated successors into his teams. He is risk averse and over-reliant only on established players. With awful results. We now 'experimenting' with Dre Fortune, Aikim Andrews and Woo Ling...but these guys were part of a 2013 team that was one win away from WC qualifying. Six years ago, and only now these fellas smelling the senior team?

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It can if we substitute "optimal" for "best".

Optimal can be a dangerous word.  If we seek optimal results, with a benchmark of being competitive in the next Gold cup quarter final, how much  money are you willing to redirect from development needs to pay for the calibre of coach we need to hit that benchmark?

None. There's an optimal GC budget and an optimal development package. Side by side. Whatever coach fits within that parameter. The coach to fit the suit, not the suit to fit the coach.

Asylum, define optimal

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If Hart doesnít want it and canít leave Halifax... it will have to be Nakhid or Fenwick... Iím not convinced with eve

Outside of them, we will have to search for a coach and weigh it from there, I have a list but you never know who ttfa will pull out of their hat..

We have to see how Wallace operates... whoever it is, needs to have a full list of our players, and try out all of the ones that are not on the radar and they havenít seen live... we have tremendous depth but it takes time to find it and scout it and try them out..



Ok I could get down with that. Some people will run down our players for having no talent, then bawl for a big name coach. It takes years of hard work to develop a decent player. A national team coach only works with the final product.  They can't convert lead to gold.

Eve, Fenwick and coaches like Streete, Dada etc, have had good results with youth development, precisely (IMO) the direction we need to go. These guys are calculated risk takers. They are not shy to drop non-performers and put hungry players to the test. Fenwick used to have boys fresh from SSLF with mothers milk still on their face running rings around hardback pro-league players. Playing in the 2008-2009 superleague against grown men helped gel the 2009 world cup squad together, as well as develop the quality of. the bench. If I recall they came from last place and went on to win the superleague championship. 

Our core players are decent, but they can't win by themselves. We have a large number of players who are very unexposed or falling off the radar. This calls for revamping the TTMNT and tackling the likes of Jamaica, El Salvador, Haiti etc, before we move on to Mexico, the U.S. Costa Rica et al. We don't need Wenger or Sir Alex at this stage.

To put things in perspective, our unused subs during the 0-0 against Sweden in 2006 were as follows: Kenwyne Jones, Evans Wise, Kelvin Jack, Marvin Andrews and Russel Latapy. That's how strong we were. That is bench strength.

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It can if we substitute "optimal" for "best".

Optimal can be a dangerous word.  If we seek optimal results, with a benchmark of being competitive in the next Gold cup quarter final, how much  money are you willing to redirect from development needs to pay for the calibre of coach we need to hit that benchmark?




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Is not like we qualifying for 2022 WC

And is not like we qualifying for the next Gold Cup either

So no sense in looking to break bank further to hire a "name" coach


In the overall scheme of things, the Mens National Football team is NOT A PRIORITY AT THIS TIME

Instead.....focus on getting Pro League or whatever it's called and clubs that compete there functional, competitive, and administratively competent.   

Identify and then develop young talent countrywide....and the country includes BOTH islands.....to feed into those Pro League teams

Hire a local coach and staff who have the communication, management, and technical skills to work with young players to form a nucleus or core of the National team going forward

Play that core as much as possible and that becomes your Mens National team for future Gold Cups and World Cups.




Agreed. People calling for big coach...we can barely even pay for local coaches, how we going to pay for that? The federation and by extension football itself is in crisis. At this point asset allocation is critically important. Wallace has to perform very delicate economic triage to bring the FA back towards health.  Whatever little money we scrape together would yield far greater dividends if we rebuilt from the ground up.

Blowing operational budget on a 'big' coach with the general calibre of our current core and bench players is folly. We barely made it to Germany on the strength of one of the greatest teams in our history. There are no short cuts. TTFA must simply roll up its sleeves and begin  producing players that are competitive in CONCACAF.   



TT never lacked money, those debts are nothing in comparison to what is wasted and gambled and siphoned in TT... the govt should do a bail out and the rest will have to be handled by the ttfa ...

We need a great coach and we shouldnít give up on the wc ... why?

Why canít we do both, develop and try to qualify?

At this stage the greatest challenge facing T&T football is a failure to consistently deliver a CONCACAF contender on the field at any age/gender group. We can't even deliver a CFU contender. This is not a coaching issue. Its a deeper reflection of management (in)competence, low morale, almost non-existent ethical standards, and poor organizational planning. These are issues related to asset allocation choices and not issues a national coach can resolve.

Hart was a great coach for us. But he took a side whose core players (Cyrus, Molino, Hyland, Curtis Gonzalez, Bateau, Miekeil Williams, Aubrey David) who had already been to one or two youth world cups. Who will replace Joevin Jones, Molino, and Hyland in the midfield? If Cyrus, Williams, Bateau etc are flawed, which young players are better? Name the next generation team capable of beating a USMNT or running with Mexico...in Mexico. Then tell me how your coach of choice can realistically repeat Hart's success with that lack of depth. 

We all wish we could hire the best coach while simultaneously building the best developmental program in CONCACAF. But at this point, can our our finances allow us to do either, far less both?

Yes TTFA should incorporate solid PLANs for both long and short term successes. But spending money to execute those plans is a whole other story.
 

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Is not like we qualifying for 2022 WC

And is not like we qualifying for the next Gold Cup either

So no sense in looking to break bank further to hire a "name" coach


In the overall scheme of things, the Mens National Football team is NOT A PRIORITY AT THIS TIME

Instead.....focus on getting Pro League or whatever it's called and clubs that compete there functional, competitive, and administratively competent.   

Identify and then develop young talent countrywide....and the country includes BOTH islands.....to feed into those Pro League teams

Hire a local coach and staff who have the communication, management, and technical skills to work with young players to form a nucleus or core of the National team going forward

Play that core as much as possible and that becomes your Mens National team for future Gold Cups and World Cups.




Agreed. People calling for big coach...we can barely even pay for local coaches, how we going to pay for that? The federation and by extension football itself is in crisis. At this point asset allocation is critically important. Wallace has to perform very delicate economic triage to bring the FA back towards health.  Whatever little money we scrape together would yield far greater dividends if we rebuilt from the ground up.

Blowing operational budget on a 'big' coach with the general calibre of our current core and bench players is folly. We barely made it to Germany on the strength of one of the greatest teams in our history. There are no short cuts. TTFA must simply roll up its sleeves and begin  producing players that are competitive in CONCACAF.   


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Football / Re: Favorite T&T players Thread
« on: November 24, 2019, 08:16:16 PM »
Camara David

He play LookLoy

He play de Super League

He play Justin Latapy George

He playin DJW

DAT is a playa

Lol

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Football / Re: Favorite T&T players Thread
« on: November 24, 2019, 08:15:23 PM »
Latapy

Stern

Molino

***Honourable mention to Dwight Yorke and that performance he put down in Germany 2006.***

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Football / Re: TTFA Presidency Polls; The countdown to election begins.
« on: November 24, 2019, 08:07:25 PM »
De fatman gone, Hallelujah Jesus.  Don't let the door smack you on the way out. If you need help packing let me know.

At last,  a long needed show of integrity from the football fraternity

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Football / Re: Thread for T&T vs Honduras Games (10-Oct & 17-Nov-2019)
« on: November 18, 2019, 12:44:32 AM »
Anyone with an ounce of personal integrity would step aside as head of a national federation, or as head coach in shame after this debacle. But I hear these men talking as though they are just getting started setting up things for the future, and its us the fans who are short sighted and selfish. AFAIC, Lawrence's heroics in 2005 have been superceded by his shambolic failures as a coach and a sense that he is entitled to carry on as usual regardless of performance/results. Its depressing to imagine where football will be in 4 years under a re-elected DJW tenureship.

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Football / Re: Thread for Mexico vs T&T (02-Oct-2019)
« on: October 04, 2019, 03:36:02 PM »
Allyuh could jump on Cyrus and Marvin all allyuh want. We had no quality on the midfield. Judah is a breath of fresh air, but he had no service from the middle.  He will be ineffective in the future if this does not change.  Hart was right when he said we lack players with speed, ball control and who can  simultaneously dribble. So go ahead pong Cyrus and Marvin, if that making allyuh feel better.

Good post. You could see that Cyrus looked exhausted from early in the game. IMO he never lived up to early expectations after back to back youth world cups. But this doesn't mean he is 'shit'. And he alone was not solely responsible for our dismal play and conceding serious real estate to Mexico, especially in the 1st half.   

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Football / Re: Thread for Mexico vs T&T (02-Oct-2019)
« on: October 02, 2019, 09:00:11 PM »
Wham to allyuh? So far Cyrus is Man of the Match: he's been involved with all de goals.

Lol.

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Football / Re: Thread for Mexico vs T&T (02-Oct-2019)
« on: October 02, 2019, 08:58:26 PM »
Lets see how much the coach has progressed since the 6-0 rinsing we get from America in June. And how long DJW and his cronies can continue to keep up the shameless lie that 'we are making progress'.

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Football / Re: Thread for Mexico vs T&T (02-Oct-2019)
« on: October 02, 2019, 08:30:09 PM »
God. Help. Us.


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