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Football / Re: Thread for T&T vs Guadeloupe Game (23-Mar-2018)
« on: March 23, 2018, 07:56:44 PM »
Referee negatively affected the game!   >:(

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What about Track & Field / Re: 2018 Track & Field Season
« on: March 08, 2018, 07:00:06 PM »
TT don't ever have an indoor season. Only the US based athletes tend to particpate. Cedenio is home based.

Cedenio is now based in the USA and trains with a professional adidas camp in Orlando and has been there for the last few seasons.

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What about Track & Field / Re: 2018 Track & Field Season
« on: March 07, 2018, 09:28:24 PM »
Indoors is completely different to outdoor running.  you hardly ever find the same people winning both. for example, has Bolt ever run indoors or won an indoor medal? Its a banked track with sharp turns. I wouldn't worry too much about the results here.  Having said that, I am impressed with the return of Deon Lendore, which strengthens the 400 pool, but i am worried that Cedenio doesn't appear as strong and fast as he was two years ago. From my eyes, he appears over weight but that could be deceiving.

Cedenio is our tallest quarter-miler and has never done a full indoor season with his club so in addition to not being physically suited to running indoors he doesn't have as much experience running indoors as our other athletes who were selected for the 4x4 team in Birmingham. Also Cedenio being more conditioned and suited to running outdoors will tend to peak later in the outdoor season anyway.
Cedenio should be just fine provided he has put in the required winter/pre-season training.

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Entertainment & Culture Discussion / Re: 2018 Soca
« on: January 30, 2018, 01:22:07 PM »
That Soca Kingdom song is a shit song that the mafia trying to ram down we throat for road march.......steups!!

Don't think its a shit song, its a hype song! There are many sweeter songs for the road out this year!
The so-called mafia only control one or two radio stations directly. Problem is that other radio stations which they have no management control over tend to follow what the one or two mafia controlled radio stations are doing in an effort to be just as popular as the mafia controlled radio stations.

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Entertainment & Culture Discussion / Re: 2018 Soca
« on: January 15, 2018, 12:24:34 PM »

So with Patrice pulling out of Soca Monarch, this just make this so call competitive event even weaker this year. This is why I continue to not rate this Soca Monarch ting

Over the years, we see Big stars like Machel, Bunji, Kerwin, Destra, Ultimate Rejects pulling out this event and now add Patrice Roberts to the list.


Patrice is probably pulling out of ISM because she is not the best live performer and needs to improve that aspect of career as an artist. I always find that she sounds like she is running out of breath most times when she performs live.

Bunji pulled out of ISM because he couldn't handled being beaten by Machel after MM reentered ISM in 2011.

Machel eventually pulled out of ISM after he proved the point between 2011 and 2015 that he is the undisputed Soca King and so has now decided again to concentrate on taking Soca to the global market.

Destra always beats herself in ISM even when she clearly has the most popular song like when she had "Lucy" and don't seem to be able to handle the competition environment so she finally accepted that fact and stopped competing.

UR are not into competitions and said so when they were formed after MX Prime joined them, its their policy. They almost didn't enter their song into the road march competition last year but finally gave in to public pressure.

Kerwin seems to be afraid of competing and not winning which is why Voice who used to jointly write songs with Kerwin has now surpassed Kerwin in ISM titles. Kerwin seems to have the same mindset as Kes that winning one Soca Monarch title is good enough for him as he does not like the negative environment generated between artists during ISM competitions.

Can you post a link officially confirming that the ISM is on this year as I am yet to hear this news?

Update: Ok, I just heard the official announcement from Peter Scoon the CEO of ISM on i95.5 FM that 2018 Soca Monarch is on.

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Entertainment & Culture Discussion / Re: Machel Montano Thread!!
« on: January 11, 2018, 04:43:16 AM »
You answer a question with a question. Usually the last futile attempt at legitmizing an argument you have lost.

Let me answer you though:

I started with the drum pattern and provided examples of a kick and snare sequence which is present in soca songs of the past and even some present. I didn't even mention the floor tom present in certain bars when the brass is playing. The floor tom underscoring the beat is something that existed in the says of Shorty, which in those days replaced the snare in many recordings.

I will further explain myself in saying that there is a compelling argument that the song has commanding lyrics in tis hook which is ever present in modern dancehall and soca. The song is called "front of the line" with the hook insisting that the subject of the song 'step to the front of the line' which in many a party soca song can paralleled to Superblue telling the crowd to 'get something and wave' Nigel Lewis telling the crowd to  'move it to the left' or Machel telling the revellers to 'hold on to the big truck'.

Since then we have had American artists like Fatman Scoop doing the same thing and dancehall artists like Elephant Man and Voicemail belting out instructions in their songs, 8 years after hearing Jamaicans  say 'soca a eediat music, only a sing bout instructions to rass'.

Now I reiterate that this is not necessarily a soca song, but my original question to you was how did it no contain much of a soca element.

Further, opinions on this subject can go either way depending on the ear that is listening. I posited though, that Trinis are quick to give up something that they played a role in, because it doesn't meet certain criteria, which I think is an injustice to our indigenous music and the roll it can play in the wider world.

If this was the case with other art forms, then maybe one could argue that Bob Marley's  Could You Be Loved was not actually reggae, but Marley's attempt at securing a disco/soul American market, which from interviews of those around him then, we know to be fact. But then Shaggy's It Wasn't Me, is still the highest selling reggae song of all time, and one of the most successful singles in history. What made that reggae/dancehall?

5 years earlier he and Ini Kamoze had pop hits with soul beats behind them, yet Jamaicans and others identified with them as reggae songs. We are nowhere near that level of adjustment in the case of Front of the Line, yet you are willing to say Trinidad and Tobago's music had little no no influence on that? One of the producers is a friggin Trini!!

Start listening.... really listening, and then make your statement. Listen to Calypso in the 50's and listen to Calypso just 10 years later in the late 60's and they sound completely different. Same genre though. Music moves on, maybe it's time you do too.

I have presented my argument. I eagerly await yours. If you could have the dignity of providing examples with your arguments instead of simply regurgitating previous posts, it would be appreciated.


I fully agree with what Swima has pointed out above. Swima obviously knows elements of soca when he hears it which for a matter of fact has been present in soca music since the 1970's and has since been used in numerous recently developed younger music genres like reggaeton, tropical house, EDM, etc over the years.

In addition if we listen to the song itself you will clearly hear Machel referring to the song as a fusion of soca and dancehall at 1:51 in the song. The EDM element in this song is obviously provided by Major Lazer which is basically a computerized Electronic Dance Music twist on the two main music genres soca and dancehall which has been fused together in this song. To compliment the fusion you have the top soca artist collaborating with a top dancehall artist on this song so the music fusion could not be made any clearer for those who know music.

Here is the song followed by the official song lyrics for confirmation, see verse 2 by Machel:

Major Lazer feat. Machel Montano & Konshens - Front of the Line "2018 Release"
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/z2Sz_fgW0t0" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/z2Sz_fgW0t0</a>

[Intro]

Eh ahhh [Machel]
aiiihhhhh [Konshens]
aih [Machel]
Major Lazor lazer [Konshens]
Aihhh ohhh...ladies a whine
Gal di world done know that yuh bad enUH

[Machel]Them addicted and them Cyah have enough
Gyal yuh whining is number one enuh
Mek a pose big six domino

[Verse 1- Konshens]

Back up back up, dumpa truck
Mek yuh rude suh, whine that up
Yuh select up tie that up
Mek yuh feel it hot like a cut
Every gyal a whine dung low
When them bruk out suh I don't know
When Foot start cock up and bumpa a back up
Gyal whine till the sound man pack up

[CHORUS]

Every gyal...ladies dem whine (Machel) whine up for mi baby)
Every gyal I wanna see my babies in line (whine up for mi baby)
Every gyal...ladies dem whine
Cranberry, Bacardi mixed with soda, mek gyal bend over, the whole thing ova
[Machel] Start buss a whine x 9
Buss a whine x 3
Step to the front a the line

[Musical interlude]

[Machel] Hey gyal Step to the front a the line

[Musical interlude]

Major Lazer
the gyal them
Woohh buss a buss a

[Verse 2- Machel]

The way how she jook and the way how she whine
The way how she tick and she tock like the time
Woohh What a gyal look fine [X 2]
Invertebrate this gyal have no spine
She don't hesitate any pole she will climb
woohh What a gyal look fine woohh [X2]
The way how she back up she back she back up
Watch how she sweet and she hot up
Look how she bumpa so fat up
Whine to the ground and then she come back up
To the sound of dancehall and soca,
Mek gyal bend ova and live Lavida Loca
[Konshens] Cranberry, Bacardi mixed with soda, make gyal bend ova the whole thing ova

[Machel] Start buss a whine Step to the front a the line [x 2]
Start buss a wine [x 4]
Buss a wine buss a buss a...step to di front a di line

[Musical interlude]

Woohh Step to di front a di line

[Musical interlude]

Woohh Step to di front a di line

[Konshens]
Back up back up, dumpa truck
Mek yuh rude suh, whine that up
Yuh select up tie that up
Can I mek yuh feel it yah
Every gyal a whine dung low
When them bruk out suh I don't know
When Foot start cock up and bumpa a back up
GYAL whine till sound man pack up

[CHORUS]

Every gyal...ladies dem whine [Machel] whine up for mi baby
I wanna see my babies in line (LINE up for mi baby)
ladies dem whine
Cranberry, BACARDI MIX WITH SODA, mek gyal bend over, the whole thing ova
[Machel] Start buss a whine [x 9]
Buss a whine [x 3]
Step to the front a the line

[Musical interlude]

[Machel]Hey gyal Step to the front a the line

[Musical interlude]

Woohh Step to di front a di line.

THE END

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Entertainment & Culture Discussion / Re: 2018 Calypso
« on: January 10, 2018, 09:05:25 PM »
New Calypso Release by Morisha Ransome for 2018 dealing with the inability of the T&T govt to hang anyone despite the law on the law books because of the Privy Council ruling in the case PRATT & MORGAN which set an impossible 5 years timetable to hanging anyone on Death Row.

This one is definitely Calypso Monarch Finals material seeing that crime and murders is the number one issue plaguing T&T right now!

Morisha Ransome "Messrs Pratt & Morgan"
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/aaF2KEGAtBM" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/aaF2KEGAtBM</a>
Title - Messrs Pratt & Morgan
Singer - Morisha Ransome
Composer - Christophe Grant
Arranger - Dr.  Leston Paul

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What about Track & Field / Re: Jereem “The Dream” Richards Thread
« on: September 26, 2017, 06:24:20 PM »
To bad D Lendore did not make the same decision he did when he had a chance to skip his last year of collage.

Was quietly thinking the same thing. However I don't think Lendore was offered a sponsorship deal after he won bronze anchoring our Men's 4x400m Relay team at the London Olympics in 2012. Maybe if Deon had won an individual 400m medal in addition to his relay medal in 2012 he may have been offered a sponsorship deal after London 2012.

However if I am not mistaken Lalonde Gordon who won both an individual 400m bronze medal and a 4x400m relay bronze medal at the London 2012 Olympics was offered an Adidas sponsorship deal after the London 2012 Olympics.

Unfortunately for Deon despite his great 400m potential he did not do enough in the individual 400m event at Major international meets while he was at Texas A&M to attract a good enough deal from a big sponsor to allow him to forego the rigorous Texas A&M schedule that they demand of their top college athletes that in most cases see them burnt out by the time they finish their college careers.
D Lendore best year was 2014 when he was unbeaten he could have gone pro that year but he chose to stay in school.

I don't think Deon won any individual 400m medal at any major championships in 2014 which I believe was the year of the last Commonwealth Games held in Scotland.

Can you recall if Deon was offered any major sponsorship deals in 2014 which he turned down?

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What about Track & Field / Re: Jereem “The Dream” Richards Thread
« on: September 18, 2017, 09:01:55 AM »
To bad D Lendore did not make the same decision he did when he had a chance to skip his last year of collage.

Was quietly thinking the same thing. However I don't think Lendore was offered a sponsorship deal after he won bronze anchoring our Men's 4x400m Relay team at the London Olympics in 2012. Maybe if Deon had won an individual 400m medal in addition to his relay medal in 2012 he may have been offered a sponsorship deal after London 2012.

However if I am not mistaken Lalonde Gordon who won both an individual 400m bronze medal and a 4x400m relay bronze medal at the London 2012 Olympics was offered an Adidas sponsorship deal after the London 2012 Olympics.

Unfortunately for Deon despite his great 400m potential he did not do enough in the individual 400m event at Major international meets while he was at Texas A&M to attract a good enough deal from a big sponsor to allow him to forego the rigorous Texas A&M schedule that they demand of their top college athletes that in most cases see them burnt out by the time they finish their college careers.

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What about Track & Field / Re: 2017 Outdoor Results for T&T Athletes
« on: August 29, 2017, 12:15:12 AM »
Can Sando and others who are unaware please note that his name is Jereem Richards and not Jareem Richards.

I think Jereem has been touted as the best performing Caribbean althele at the London World  Championships.

I am sure Jareem not toting feelings about his name being misspelt like you. Doh worry everything will be ok  :D
.

Who told you that I am toting feelings about anything? I simply decided to help you out.

It seems that like the immature person you are you are obviously toting feeling about being corrected.

If you were a grown-up you would have just said thank you and moved along so it is obvious that no one else is toting feeling about being corrected but yourself.

PS:
You can continue to misspell Jereem's name if you wish which only proves my point that you are toting feeling about being corrected. Maybe one day you will grow-up? But I suspect we would actually see Watson Duke swim from Tobago to Trinidad before then!  ;)

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What about Track & Field / Re: 2017 Outdoor Results for T&T Athletes
« on: August 28, 2017, 04:38:37 PM »
Can Sando and others who are unaware please note that his name is Jereem Richards and not Jareem Richards.

I think Jereem has been touted as the best performing Caribbean althele at the London World  Championships.

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Socapro, I follow your logic and argument.  It makes sense but one area where ppl could challenge it is the fact 3 of the 4 SB were obtained at the HCS.  People still skeptical about that clock.
The true differentiator is practice.  You can have one team with an average 10.25 per leg blaze a team with an average of 10.1 per leg if the 10.25 team practiced a lot more compared to the other team.

That has been the basis of my logical argument about the T&T Men's 4x100m relay team all along.
With a proper Relay Camp in place we can not only make the 4x100m Finals at major global championships with our current crop of 100m sprinters but should be able to even press for a medal.

"Gawd on pitch" seems to be determined to try to twist my totally logical argument on the benefits of a Relay Camp with me predicting that our Men's 4x100m Relay team would have definitely made the 4x100m Relay Final in London and press for a medal regardless of us not having the required Relay Camp and practice to help get our team up to speed.

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Socapro and g.o.p, you guys are probably the best analysts on this forum as pertain to T&F. Ah mean, just reading the above  breakdown of each sprinters' time and why one team stands a better chance than other is remarkable. As much as I am a fan of T&F, I don't going into all these details. You guys are fantastic. But oh gorm, allyuh agree to disagree nah! Allyuh very knowledge, but each see things a different way. Nothing wrong with that.

Gawd on pitch deserves no credit for the stats that I provided in Reply #22 above giving details on the relay sprinters from Turkey and T&T especially as he seems to have ignored all of those stats in preference for accusing me of name calling because I asked him a logical question prompted by his persistence that I made a prediction that he can provide zero evidence of.

I find it highly annoying that gawd on pitch keeps insisting that I made this and that prediction about the Men's 4x100m relay team but he can provide no evidence. All he has to do is to go to my original post where I supposedly made the prediction and use the quote feature and then copy and paste my quote in his next reply.

He won't and can't do it because he knows he is just saying stuff off his head based on his imagination and what seems to either be a shakey memory or lack of understanding of the English I type when I make my posts.

Outside of that annoying habit of gawd on pitch accusing me of saying stuff I never said I have few issues with him if any at all and appreciate a lot of his knowledge on track & field.

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Socapro,

You always talk about logic. But you tend to use "ad hominem" attacks to try and make your argument stronger. For instance, saying that I'm an idiot and calling me slow.

You are again demonstrating that you are suffering from serious English comprehension problems or clear oversensitivity.

Where did I state that you are an idiot? I simply asked you a question because you keep falsely claming that I made a prediction that I know I did not which I find highly annoying.

I asked the question: "Are you trying to be some kind of idiot gawd on pitch?" and with good reason.
Note it is a question prompted by your behaviour and not a statement. :)

Its now up to you to provide the answer to my question by posting or not posting a quote of me saying I predict that the T&T Men's 4x100m relay team will make the final and push for a medal regardless of their lack of preparations.
 
Why don't you post the quote of me making that prediction rather than typing what you imagine that I said which I know is fictional and misleading?

Regards you saying that I am calling you slow, you must either quickly provide the evidence requested or stop continuing to behave like a slow person who don't understand English and hence misinterpreted what I said about the relay teams which I have already clarified above.

Now if ever you have taken a class on logic, you will know what I'm talking about. In logic you will learn that resorting to name calling is childish. And it is usually a sign that the person is getting emotional. In none of my responses I have resorted to calling you names.

So what exactly did you mean by the mens 4x100 team "could push for a medal" if everything is right and in place? I'm paraphrasing here. I don't need the consensus of the other posters. But one has come out already to challenge your prediction of the men 4x100 having a chance to "push for a medal".

Please respond without name calling .. as I know you would not do so if you met me in person.

All of first paragraph in above quote is just you crying and playing victim as a distraction because you know you cannot provided any evidence to back your argument about what I supposedly predicted in your imagination.

Until you can provide the evidence requested I rest my case and will draw my own conclusion to my logical questions which you seem unable to answer.

In none of your responses have you yet resorted to posting a quote of what you accused me of predicting.
If you want to be taklen seriously you will need to provided the quote requested or alternatively apologise for misinterpreting and misrepresenting what I said on the topic.

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Fine then. Even if they get all kind of practice.. Attend all kind of relay camp.. Receive training from the best, that mens 4x100 still would not come close to possibly push for a medal. The quality of the teams that made the final are more higher than our current 4x100. Plus Bledman even say he ain't 100%. And even if he was, that 4x100 team would have been lucky if they made the final. That is the truth.

I would have given you the benefit of the doubt if they at least made the final. But let's face it, the quality is not there for us at the moment.

I ain't trying to fight or argue with you Soca. But I think a more realistic prediction would have been to make the final. 5th in the semi.. the proof is in the pudding bro:beermug:

Are you trying to be some kind of idiot gawd on pitch?

For the last time I never predicted that we would definitely make the Men's 4x100m final and push for a medal.
I said we COULD IF certain conditions are met which were never met aka a proper Relay Training Camp.

Please post the quote of me predicting that the T&T Men's 4x100m team WILL definitely make the 4x100m Final and push for a medal regardless of lack of relay preparations.
Either provide the evidence or stop continuing to behave like a slow person who don't understand English.

Regards your argument that "The quality of the teams that made the final are more higher than our current 4x100" lets examine the Turkey team that made the Final with a 38.44SB time:-

Yigitcan Hekimoglu who ran their 1st leg has a 100m PB of 10.54 set all the way back in 2010 (see link: https://www.iaaf.org/athletes/turkey/yigitcan-hekimoglu-249528 );
Jak Ali Harvey who ran their 2nd leg has a 100m SB of 10.10 for 2017 (see link: https://www.iaaf.org/athletes/turkey/jak-ali-harvey-256049 );
Emre Zafer Barnes who ran their 3rd leg has a 100m SB of 10.17 for 2017 (see link: https://www.iaaf.org/athletes/turkey/emre-zafer-barnes-224146 );
Ramil Guliyev who ran their 4th leg has a 100m PB of 9.97 for 2017 (see link: https://www.iaaf.org/athletes/turkey/ramil-guliyev-226874 );

So this season Turkey's 1st leg was a 10.54 sprinter, 2nd leg was a 10.10 sprinter, 3rd leg was a 10.17 sprinter and 4th leg was a 9.97 sprinter; Turkey's average 100m leg speed works out to be 10.195 => 10.20.

For reference here is link to results from the 4x100m Heats, Turkey was in T&T's Heat: https://www.iaaf.org/competitions/iaaf-world-championships/iaaf-world-championships-london-2017-5151/results/men/4x100-metres-relay/heats/result#resultheader

Now lets look at T&T's 4x100m relay team used in 4x1 Heats that did those awfully inefficient baton changes and ran 38.61 which was not good enough to get them to the final:-

Keston Bledman who ran their 1st leg has a 100m SB of 10.08 for 2017 (see link: https://www.iaaf.org/athletes/trinidad-and-tobago/keston-bledman-208570 );
Kyle Greaux who ran their 2nd leg has a 100m SB of 10.16 for 2017 (see link: https://www.iaaf.org/athletes/trinidad-and-tobago/kyle-greaux-284030 );
Moriba Morain who ran their 3rd leg has a 100m SB of 10.19 for 2017 (see link: https://www.iaaf.org/athletes/trinidad-and-tobago/moriba-morain-247423 );
Emmanuel Callender who ran their 4th leg has a 100m SB of 10.10 for 2017 (see link: https://www.iaaf.org/athletes/trinidad-and-tobago/emmanuel-callender-237051 );

So this season T&T's's 1st leg was a 10.08 sprinter, 2nd leg was a 10.16 sprinter, 3rd leg was a 10.19 sprinter and 4th leg was a 10.10 sprinter; T&T's average 100m leg speed works out to be 10.1325 => 10.13 which is faster than Turkey who qualified for the Men's 4x1 Final.

I can also demonstrate with similar stats that T&T's average leg speed was just as good or better than another 2 relay teams that made the 4x100m final.

This proves my argument that with a proper Relay Training Camp using our current fit and available sprinters T&T can not only make the Men's 4x100m Final but also press for a medal but without that required Relay Camp we are going to continue underperforming and are simply spinning top in mud.
I doh just talk for talking sake like some folks here, I can back my talk with stats as I just did! :flamethrower:

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Also, they need a separate facility to train anytime. Not a stadium. Just a fenced around for TF only.

We need to decide on which of the current stadiums in T&T we want to turn into a dedicated track & field stadium (no carnival fetes) and we need to build a proper warm-up/training track next to the stadium which can be used at any time like Deeks just suggested.   


A proper warm-up track at HCS will be difficult because of space. They could convert the auxiliary football field, but football go cry victimization.They could try to acquired property around that area. But that will be expensive. But Ato should be the dedicated TF stadium, in my opinion. It more "centrally located".  But that will be another comesse.

I never understood why the TTFA was given the Ato Boldon stadium as their home and not the NAAA's.
Was Ato a world class footballer or was he a world class athlete for goodness sake?!   :thinking:

That is the comesse I talking about. It should be clarified if TTFA has full jurisdiction over the stadium. If T&F want practice a Wednesday night, but TTFA want to play an international because HCS is being used for a big concert .... something has to give. There is land around Ato. Maybe they should apply for a plot and work on building a dedicated track.

That makes plenty sense! But do we do sensible cost effective things like that in T&T?!   :thinking:

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Then are you also inferring that Dwight Yorke Stadium should be the home of Football?  ;D ;D

Why not?!  ;)

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What about Track & Field / Re: 2017 Outdoor Results for T&T Athletes
« on: August 17, 2017, 10:15:41 AM »
http://krqe.com/2017/08/15/jarrin-solomon-almost-missed-out-on-trinadad-tobago-world-championship-gold/
Choko and Socapro look your boy claiming NAAA politics nearly kept him out the finals

That's his view which he is entitled to, Solomon has been around our relay teams long enough to know when politics is at play or not and look how many medals he has won with our relay teams over the years.

On a related note it was really good of Renny Quow to give up his lead-off spot in the Final to Solomon knowing that if we medal he would still get a medal seeing that he was part of our squad that ran in the 4x4 Heats.
Full respect to Renny Quow for that great guesture and showing faith in his teamate Solomon, this bodes well for very good team spirit among all our 4x4 relay team members in the future.

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Also, they need a separate facility to train anytime. Not a stadium. Just a fenced around for TF only.

We need to decide on which of the current stadiums in T&T we want to turn into a dedicated track & field stadium (no carnival fetes) and we need to build a proper warm-up/training track next to the stadium which can be used at any time like Deeks just suggested.   


A proper warm-up track at HCS will be difficult because of space. They could convert the auxiliary football field, but football go cry victimization.They could try to acquired property around that area. But that will be expensive. But Ato should be the dedicated TF stadium, in my opinion. It more "centrally located".  But that will be another comesse.

I never understood why the TTFA was given the Ato Boldon stadium as their home and not the NAAA's.
Was Ato a world class footballer or was he a world class athlete for goodness sake?!   :thinking:

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Also, they need a separate facility to train anytime. Not a stadium. Just a fenced around for TF only.

We need to decide on which of the current stadiums in T&T we want to turn into a dedicated track & field stadium (no carnival fetes taking priority during the carnival season) and we need to build a proper warm-up/training track next to the stadium which can be used at any time by the athletes like Deeks just suggested.   

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socapro you really feel we have the leg speed for the men's relay team?  the 2 fastest guys are 10.25

10.25 and 10.26 are not their fastest times this season. Both Callender and Bledman have run 10.1x times this season outside of T&T.

I believe with a Relay Camp and enough relay practice our Men's 4x1 team can make Finals and even press for a medal at major championships with their current overal leg speed provided everyone is gelling and baton changes are smooth and efficient which only comes with lots of relay practice.
Until our NAAA's wake up and setup the necessary Relay Camps annually we will continue to underperform in the 4x100m relays at major championships.

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Could or whatever.. leg speed practice.. we know that  team wasn't pushing or almost pushing for no medal. They came 5th in the semi.

You can fight for agrument all you want, still I never said that our team WILL qualify for the Final and WILL push for a medal.
I said they could if certain conditions are met to maximise their potential (just like the Japs, Germans and the British are currently doing) which involves conducting Relay Camps with lots of practice.
Since the Relay Camp never happened my expectations for our Men's Relay team to do as well as they could with their current leg speed was relatively low.

But continue twisting and trying to misrepresenting what I said in your efforts to have a time wasting argument.

I will continue to maintain that when we start holding proper Relay Camps to get enough practice and start regularly entering Relay meets (just like the Japs, Chinese, Brits, Germans, etc are doing) to get our relay teams properly prepared then we will start regularly making Men's 4x100m Finals again and be able to push for medals as we did in the past even with our current crop of male sprinters.

As for our Women 4x100m relay team even though we have overal quicker leg speed than the British just look how much better than us the Brits are currently doing in the 4x100m Relay mainly because they have proper Relay Camps and gets lots of practice.
So if we want to see our Women 4x100m relay team on the podium again and not just qualifying for Finals then we too will need to take part in annual Relay Camps to get our Women properly prepared for medalling at major championships. There is no getting around proper preparations if we want to see future 4x100m relay medals.

I have already outlined what we need to do in our Relay Camps in post #6 above.

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What about Track & Field / Re: 2017 Outdoor Results for T&T Athletes
« on: August 17, 2017, 04:18:22 AM »
This crap has to stop he should be banned .  He had no grounds.  The man is the worst of all our runners. Why does management allow him to always get away with this crap. Is this one athlete who is the slowest have so much clout.  Naaa management  Country  over individuals.  This guy had proven over and over again it is all about him and not about our country it is time we ban him

You're entitled to your opinion. You must run in his shoes sometime. And in the shoes of other athletes as well. And be responsible for team selection and management.

On a phone typing slow. We win and you're still asking why. I'm not banning anyone! He did not burn the flag! Management has to manage. He did his best once he was on the track.

Full agreement!

Btw Solomon's complaint on his facebook page was about him not being used in the heats even though he was the freshest athlete in the squad, in order to keep our top 4 quartermilers as fresh as possible for the Final with an extra day's rest. I was involved in the facebook conversation on Solomon's facebook page.
As it was they decided to replace Quow who was the slowest in the 4x4 Heats with Solomon in the 4x4 Final and we won gold and everyone who ran between the 4x4 Heats and the 4x4 Final gets a medal so all 5 of them Solomon, Quow, Richards, Cedenio and Gordon all come home with a gold medals.

I think it worked out better for the squad seeing that 5 athletes head back home with a gold medal and not 4.

In the ideal world we could had used both Solomon and St Clair who are in the relay squad in the 4x4 Heats and then the top 4; Quow, Richards, Cedenio and Gordon in the Final and all 6 of our relay squad quartermilers could have come back home with a medal for running in either the Heats or the Final or both.

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According to Socapro, our men 4x100 was supposed to push for a medal. I predicted that they might not even make the final.

Hard luck for the women's 4x100. The exchanges slowed them down by a lot. Plus KSF is clearly not in the form she was at the Nationals.

Don't twist what I said. I said they could push for a medal with their current leg speed provided they got enough relay practice which they didn't.

I still maintain thay our current crop of sprinters can make 4x100m relay finals and push for a medal at major championships but we must invest in a proper relay camp right after National Trials and our relay teams must then be given the opportunity to run in a few international relay competitions right after the relay camp to sharpen up on what they have learnt and practiced in the Relay Camp.
All this should happen before we head into a major championships and our relay teams need to at least be in the IAAF top 10 list by the time our team is heading to compete at a major international track & field champs.

Here is what I propose for our 4x100m Relay Camps which is very affordable and practical:-

If we want to start winning 4x100m relay medals again at major championships on a regular basis then we need to set up two relay squads, A & B using a pool of about 10 to 12 of of our best female sprinters and 10 to 12 of of our best male sprinters.

The A Squad could be the top 4 places at senior national trials in the 100m Final plus the top 2 places from the 200m Final for argument sake;
The B squad could be the next 4 places at senior national trials in the 100m Final (5th to 8th) plus the 3rd & 4th places from the 200m Final for argument sake.

So the A squad will have 6 athletes including 2 good curve runners who are good at the 200m and the B squad would also have 6 athletes including 2 good curve runners who are good at the 200m.
 
When we have Relay Camp both squads A & B should attend and they should practice different relay orders based upon the strenghts of the individual members to work out what is the best order.

The goal of the Women 4x100m Relay A team should be to make our baton changes as reliable and efficient as possible and to run 41.5x while the goal of the B team should be to run 42 flat.

The goal of the Men 4x100m Relay A team should be to make our baton changes as reliable and efficient as possible and to run sub-38 while the goal of the B team should be to run 38.5x.

Near the end of the relay camp the Men 4x100m relay A team & B team should run a few competitive relay races against each other and the the Women 4x100m relay A team & B team should also run a few competitive relay races against each other.

This relay camp must be followed by at least one international meet which both relay squads (A squad & B squad) should attend with the goal of placing first and second at that meet (Trinidad & Tobago 4x100m Relay 'A' and Trinidad & Tobago 4x100m Relay 'B').
If it is not possible for us to attend an international meet featuring international relay teams outside of T&T then a few top international 4x100m relay teams (wanting to run a top 16 relay time) should be invited to a Last Chance Meet in T&T and we can then run both our T&T A and B 4x100m relay teams against them.

Both our Men and Women's Relay 'A' teams should also have a goal of consistently being in the top 5 of the IAAF top list every year especially in the build-up to major senior championships.
And we should also try to duplicate this same relay preparation system at our junior levels so that transistion from Junior to Senior level becomes much easier for our young upcoming athletes and relay squads.

Finally we should also have a similar relay camp for our Men's and Women's 4x400m relays teams which would be particularly beneficial for our 4x400m relay women who would eventually start making an impact at major senior championships like our 4x400m relay men are currently doing.

By about the 3rd year of us annually holding these 4x100m and 4x400m Relay camps we should start seeing the fruits bearing of all our relay teams not only qualifying for relay finals at major championships but also pressing for and regularly winning medals just like USA and Jamaica regularly do.
So basically if we start having these annual Relay Camps from next year we should be in a position to have all our relay teams both Men and Women qualifying for all the Relay Finals at the 2020 Tokyo Olympics and pressing for medals.

In addition once we hold these annual Relay Camps (which don't always have to be held in T&T by the way) we should also start coming home with medals from the World Relays even if we are only able to send our 4x100m and 4x400m B relay teams to World Relays depending on the availability of our top sprinters and quartermilers.

Finally as an incentive for our TTO athletes to attend this Relay Camp regardless of their finanical situation the participants should be paid about $40.00 US per session per person so that it is not seen by them as a financial burden for them to attend in addition to the extra work that is involved which will eventually pay off. 
In Britain they use a percentage of the profits made from their National Lottery to help fund the preparation of their athletes so we should consider doing similar in T&T since most folks in T&T play the Lotto!!  :idea:

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What about Track & Field / Re: T&T Para-Athletics News
« on: July 16, 2017, 02:58:28 AM »
Bump!!

Will be updating this thread later today with hopefully some good news!  :)

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What about Track & Field / Re: 2017 Outdoor Results for T&T Athletes
« on: July 13, 2017, 04:04:37 PM »
From today in Luzern. Quite a solid run given the conditions. Next up is Rabat where KAB takes on MLA, Ta Lou, Blessing and Elaine.
Lauf   Wind:  -0,7
Rk.   StNr.   Name   Jg.   Nat.   Verein   Leistung   
1.   411   Baptiste Kelly-Ann   1986   TRI   Trinidad and Tobago   11.16
2.   444   Brown Aaliyah   1995   USA   United States   11.38   
3.   403   Levy Jura   1991   JAM   Jamaica   11.41   
4.   382   Pierre Barbara   1987   USA   United States   11.42   
5.   222   Kambundji Mujinga   1992   SUI   STB Leichtathletik   11.43   
6.   427   Williams Christania   1994   JAM   Jamaica   11.49   


100m Womens Heat B EA Classic Meeting Luzern
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...and please stop repeating this fallacy that races = practice for a relay team. It doesn't. A football team has practice and then it has practice matches. One doesn't substitute for the other.

I have lost my patience waiting on someone in power to understand what I am saying about relay prep.

Point noted.

Originally I was of the impression that our Women 4x100m Relay team needed to run at least two top 16 times this season to qualify for London seeing that we messed up at the World Relays in the Bahamas in April this year and so did not earn an automatic spot.

However I just checked the Relay team qualification period at this link: https://media.aws.iaaf.org/competitioninfo/403b234e-c2f1-47f9-8d84-6b8fbd27ee3c.pdf
and realised that for the "QUALIFICATION SYSTEM AND ENTRY STANDARDS" for the 2017 London IAAF World Championships, the IAAF says this for Qualification Period:
 For the 10,000m, Marathon, Race Walks, Relays and Combined Events: from 1 January 2016 to midnight Sunday, 23 July 2017 (regardless of the time zone)

So seeing that our Women 4x100m relay team ran 42.12 in Rio last year in placing 5th in the Final behind USA, JA, GB and Germany, that 42.12 time together with the 42.94 we ran recently at T&T Senior National Trials 3 weekends ago should work out to 42.53 as an average of those two times. That 42.53 time will currently place T&T at equal 7th in the IAAF rankings with Switzerland and an equal 4th as a country. See link: https://www.iaaf.org/records/toplists/relays/4x100-metres-relay/outdoor/women/senior/2017

However one of the main reasons our 4x100m Relay Women did not medal last year in Rio even though we had the potential to medal was lack of relay practice. With that in mind why can't the NAAA TT and TTOC come together and ensure that we don't make the same mistakes as last year if we want our Women 4x1 relay team to come back home from London with a medal? All the teams which plan to medal in the Women's 4x100m Relay Final in London have to be prepared to run sub-42 with 41.5x or faster most likely guaranteeing them a medal.

Our team needs to be aiming to run sub-42 in practice and to reproduce that time under pressure in real life competition if we are serious about coming back home from London with at least 1 medal.
I view our Women's 4x100m relay as one of our best opportunities to come back home with at least one medal from London but our chances will be thrown away without the required relay camp and relay practice in advance as Ato has been clamouring and begging for.

I am sure our relay team athletes will be happy if a relay training camp can be organised from early so that we can reduce our chances of making the same errors that we made at the World Relays in the Bahmas in April and so improve our chances of medalling in London in August. In fact seeing the error that our Men's 4x400m Relay team made in Rio in the Heats all our relay teams need to be in this preparation camp from early if we seriously want to enhance our chances of medalling in London.
   
When are we going to start learning from our mistakes and minimise our chances of repeating the same mistakes again again? NAAA TT its time to get your act together if you are serious!

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Stop with the fantasies. Relays have continued the we-dont-practice policy, despite three of the four women living IN THE SAME BLASTED STATE. Give up, like I have. You can't make a donkey who doesn't want to move (or a collection of them) move.

If we get a medal in London, I'll be pleasantly surprised.

So our 4x1 relay teams (Men and Women) are not going to compete in some International Meet in The Bahamas before London for us to get some required relay practise against proper competition as I heard rumours of in early June? This is very disappointing!! Is like we not learning from logic and our past mistakes.  :(

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What about Track & Field / Re: 2017 Outdoor Results for T&T Athletes
« on: July 05, 2017, 12:46:54 AM »
Men's 400m at the 2017 Gyulai István Memorial in Hungry

Machel Cedenio and Renny Quow place 3rd and 5th respectfully in their first 400m race in Europe following the 2017 T&T Senior Open Championships.
I believe Renny is hoping to run the World Champs 400m standard of 45.50 or faster before 24th July which will allow him to participate in the individual 400m in London in addition to being part of TTO Men's 4x400m Relay squad.

Steven Gardiner is definitely looking like a hot favourite to make it to the 400m Final in London and fight for a medal. If I am correct I believe Steven and Machel are both in the same training camp so Machel should know what he needs to do to beat Steven in London and also fight for a medal..

STEVEN GARDINER WINS MEN'S 400M AT GYULAI ISTVAN MEMORIAL 2017
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Men's 400m - 04.07.2017
Final
Pl. Athlete / Team Cnt. Birth Result Score

1. Steven GARDINER BAH 95 44.61 1207
2. Luka JANEŽIČ SLO 95 45.44 1149
3. Machel CEDENIO TTO 95 45.47 1147
4. Nery BRENES CRC 85 45.71 1131 SB
5. Renny QUOW TTO 87 45.78 1126
6. Vernon NORWOOD USA 92 45.84 1122
7. Fitzroy DUNKLEY JAM 93 46.43 1083
8. Mateo RUŽIĆ CRO 94 47.20 1032

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