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Football / Re: Thread for T&T vs Guadeloupe Game (23-Mar-2018)
« on: March 23, 2018, 07:56:44 PM »
Referee negatively affected the game!
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TT don't ever have an indoor season. Only the US based athletes tend to particpate. Cedenio is home based.
Indoors is completely different to outdoor running. you hardly ever find the same people winning both. for example, has Bolt ever run indoors or won an indoor medal? Its a banked track with sharp turns. I wouldn't worry too much about the results here. Having said that, I am impressed with the return of Deon Lendore, which strengthens the 400 pool, but i am worried that Cedenio doesn't appear as strong and fast as he was two years ago. From my eyes, he appears over weight but that could be deceiving.
That Soca Kingdom song is a shit song that the mafia trying to ram down we throat for road march.......steups!!
So with Patrice pulling out of Soca Monarch, this just make this so call competitive event even weaker this year. This is why I continue to not rate this Soca Monarch ting
Over the years, we see Big stars like Machel, Bunji, Kerwin, Destra, Ultimate Rejects pulling out this event and now add Patrice Roberts to the list.
You answer a question with a question. Usually the last futile attempt at legitmizing an argument you have lost.
Let me answer you though:
I started with the drum pattern and provided examples of a kick and snare sequence which is present in soca songs of the past and even some present. I didn't even mention the floor tom present in certain bars when the brass is playing. The floor tom underscoring the beat is something that existed in the says of Shorty, which in those days replaced the snare in many recordings.
I will further explain myself in saying that there is a compelling argument that the song has commanding lyrics in tis hook which is ever present in modern dancehall and soca. The song is called "front of the line" with the hook insisting that the subject of the song 'step to the front of the line' which in many a party soca song can paralleled to Superblue telling the crowd to 'get something and wave' Nigel Lewis telling the crowd to 'move it to the left' or Machel telling the revellers to 'hold on to the big truck'.
Since then we have had American artists like Fatman Scoop doing the same thing and dancehall artists like Elephant Man and Voicemail belting out instructions in their songs, 8 years after hearing Jamaicans say 'soca a eediat music, only a sing bout instructions to rass'.
Now I reiterate that this is not necessarily a soca song, but my original question to you was how did it no contain much of a soca element.
Further, opinions on this subject can go either way depending on the ear that is listening. I posited though, that Trinis are quick to give up something that they played a role in, because it doesn't meet certain criteria, which I think is an injustice to our indigenous music and the roll it can play in the wider world.
If this was the case with other art forms, then maybe one could argue that Bob Marley's Could You Be Loved was not actually reggae, but Marley's attempt at securing a disco/soul American market, which from interviews of those around him then, we know to be fact. But then Shaggy's It Wasn't Me, is still the highest selling reggae song of all time, and one of the most successful singles in history. What made that reggae/dancehall?
5 years earlier he and Ini Kamoze had pop hits with soul beats behind them, yet Jamaicans and others identified with them as reggae songs. We are nowhere near that level of adjustment in the case of Front of the Line, yet you are willing to say Trinidad and Tobago's music had little no no influence on that? One of the producers is a friggin Trini!!
Start listening.... really listening, and then make your statement. Listen to Calypso in the 50's and listen to Calypso just 10 years later in the late 60's and they sound completely different. Same genre though. Music moves on, maybe it's time you do too.
I have presented my argument. I eagerly await yours. If you could have the dignity of providing examples with your arguments instead of simply regurgitating previous posts, it would be appreciated.
D Lendore best year was 2014 when he was unbeaten he could have gone pro that year but he chose to stay in school.To bad D Lendore did not make the same decision he did when he had a chance to skip his last year of collage.
Was quietly thinking the same thing. However I don't think Lendore was offered a sponsorship deal after he won bronze anchoring our Men's 4x400m Relay team at the London Olympics in 2012. Maybe if Deon had won an individual 400m medal in addition to his relay medal in 2012 he may have been offered a sponsorship deal after London 2012.
However if I am not mistaken Lalonde Gordon who won both an individual 400m bronze medal and a 4x400m relay bronze medal at the London 2012 Olympics was offered an Adidas sponsorship deal after the London 2012 Olympics.
Unfortunately for Deon despite his great 400m potential he did not do enough in the individual 400m event at Major international meets while he was at Texas A&M to attract a good enough deal from a big sponsor to allow him to forego the rigorous Texas A&M schedule that they demand of their top college athletes that in most cases see them burnt out by the time they finish their college careers.
To bad D Lendore did not make the same decision he did when he had a chance to skip his last year of collage.
Can Sando and others who are unaware please note that his name is Jereem Richards and not Jareem Richards.
I think Jereem has been touted as the best performing Caribbean althele at the London World Championships.
I am sure Jareem not toting feelings about his name being misspelt like you. Doh worry everything will be ok
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Socapro, I follow your logic and argument. It makes sense but one area where ppl could challenge it is the fact 3 of the 4 SB were obtained at the HCS. People still skeptical about that clock.
The true differentiator is practice. You can have one team with an average 10.25 per leg blaze a team with an average of 10.1 per leg if the 10.25 team practiced a lot more compared to the other team.
Socapro and g.o.p, you guys are probably the best analysts on this forum as pertain to T&F. Ah mean, just reading the above breakdown of each sprinters' time and why one team stands a better chance than other is remarkable. As much as I am a fan of T&F, I don't going into all these details. You guys are fantastic. But oh gorm, allyuh agree to disagree nah! Allyuh very knowledge, but each see things a different way. Nothing wrong with that.
Socapro,
You always talk about logic. But you tend to use "ad hominem" attacks to try and make your argument stronger. For instance, saying that I'm an idiot and calling me slow.
Now if ever you have taken a class on logic, you will know what I'm talking about. In logic you will learn that resorting to name calling is childish. And it is usually a sign that the person is getting emotional. In none of my responses I have resorted to calling you names.
So what exactly did you mean by the mens 4x100 team "could push for a medal" if everything is right and in place? I'm paraphrasing here. I don't need the consensus of the other posters. But one has come out already to challenge your prediction of the men 4x100 having a chance to "push for a medal".
Please respond without name calling .. as I know you would not do so if you met me in person.
Fine then. Even if they get all kind of practice.. Attend all kind of relay camp.. Receive training from the best, that mens 4x100 still would not come close to possibly push for a medal. The quality of the teams that made the final are more higher than our current 4x100. Plus Bledman even say he ain't 100%. And even if he was, that 4x100 team would have been lucky if they made the final. That is the truth.
I would have given you the benefit of the doubt if they at least made the final. But let's face it, the quality is not there for us at the moment.
I ain't trying to fight or argue with you Soca. But I think a more realistic prediction would have been to make the final. 5th in the semi.. the proof is in the pudding bro.
Also, they need a separate facility to train anytime. Not a stadium. Just a fenced around for TF only.
We need to decide on which of the current stadiums in T&T we want to turn into a dedicated track & field stadium (no carnival fetes) and we need to build a proper warm-up/training track next to the stadium which can be used at any time like Deeks just suggested.
A proper warm-up track at HCS will be difficult because of space. They could convert the auxiliary football field, but football go cry victimization.They could try to acquired property around that area. But that will be expensive. But Ato should be the dedicated TF stadium, in my opinion. It more "centrally located". But that will be another comesse.
I never understood why the TTFA was given the Ato Boldon stadium as their home and not the NAAA's.
Was Ato a world class footballer or was he a world class athlete for goodness sake?!
That is the comesse I talking about. It should be clarified if TTFA has full jurisdiction over the stadium. If T&F want practice a Wednesday night, but TTFA want to play an international because HCS is being used for a big concert .... something has to give. There is land around Ato. Maybe they should apply for a plot and work on building a dedicated track.
Then are you also inferring that Dwight Yorke Stadium should be the home of Football?
http://krqe.com/2017/08/15/jarrin-solomon-almost-missed-out-on-trinadad-tobago-world-championship-gold/
Choko and Socapro look your boy claiming NAAA politics nearly kept him out the finals
Also, they need a separate facility to train anytime. Not a stadium. Just a fenced around for TF only.
We need to decide on which of the current stadiums in T&T we want to turn into a dedicated track & field stadium (no carnival fetes) and we need to build a proper warm-up/training track next to the stadium which can be used at any time like Deeks just suggested.
A proper warm-up track at HCS will be difficult because of space. They could convert the auxiliary football field, but football go cry victimization.They could try to acquired property around that area. But that will be expensive. But Ato should be the dedicated TF stadium, in my opinion. It more "centrally located". But that will be another comesse.
Also, they need a separate facility to train anytime. Not a stadium. Just a fenced around for TF only.
socapro you really feel we have the leg speed for the men's relay team? the 2 fastest guys are 10.25
Could or whatever.. leg speed practice.. we know that team wasn't pushing or almost pushing for no medal. They came 5th in the semi.
This crap has to stop he should be banned . He had no grounds. The man is the worst of all our runners. Why does management allow him to always get away with this crap. Is this one athlete who is the slowest have so much clout. Naaa management Country over individuals. This guy had proven over and over again it is all about him and not about our country it is time we ban him
You're entitled to your opinion. You must run in his shoes sometime. And in the shoes of other athletes as well. And be responsible for team selection and management.
On a phone typing slow. We win and you're still asking why. I'm not banning anyone! He did not burn the flag! Management has to manage. He did his best once he was on the track.
According to Socapro, our men 4x100 was supposed to push for a medal. I predicted that they might not even make the final.
Hard luck for the women's 4x100. The exchanges slowed them down by a lot. Plus KSF is clearly not in the form she was at the Nationals.
From today in Luzern. Quite a solid run given the conditions. Next up is Rabat where KAB takes on MLA, Ta Lou, Blessing and Elaine.
Lauf Wind: -0,7
Rk. StNr. Name Jg. Nat. Verein Leistung
1. 411 Baptiste Kelly-Ann 1986 TRI Trinidad and Tobago 11.16
2. 444 Brown Aaliyah 1995 USA United States 11.38
3. 403 Levy Jura 1991 JAM Jamaica 11.41
4. 382 Pierre Barbara 1987 USA United States 11.42
5. 222 Kambundji Mujinga 1992 SUI STB Leichtathletik 11.43
6. 427 Williams Christania 1994 JAM Jamaica 11.49
...and please stop repeating this fallacy that races = practice for a relay team. It doesn't. A football team has practice and then it has practice matches. One doesn't substitute for the other.
I have lost my patience waiting on someone in power to understand what I am saying about relay prep.
Stop with the fantasies. Relays have continued the we-dont-practice policy, despite three of the four women living IN THE SAME BLASTED STATE. Give up, like I have. You can't make a donkey who doesn't want to move (or a collection of them) move.
If we get a medal in London, I'll be pleasantly surprised.