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Football / Re: Foreign coaches lining up after Hart’s firing.

« on: November 27, 2016, 07:19:34 PM »

Louis Van Gaal, Guus Hiddink, Marcelo Bielsa, Frank de Boer, Dennis Lawrence, Dale Saunders all available.

Leh we see who go get de call

I could promise yuh the first and third ones go hit the TTFA their language's equivalent of "HYMC" if they had to deal with them for a week.

All dat nice eh..buh how much would it cost and can we afford it? We fire a coach that was basically working for free for about 6 months...it have any cheaper than that? If there is then we cant get vex when we get what we pay for.

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Football / Re: Foreign coaches lining up after Hart’s firing.

« on: November 26, 2016, 06:50:03 PM »

The Guardian standard woefully poor these days.

Imagine Latapy get put as coach...and Molino break camp...and bounce up the coach in the dance.


As it is..thats the height of my expectations if they put Latapy

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Football / Re: Fire Stephen Hart Thread

« on: November 26, 2016, 05:07:45 AM »

It's alarming that S Hart have not been paid in 6 months and he is still owed 2 mill dollars I hope that's TT dollars that means these guys have no money and DJW now have to look for somebody who is willing to pay for a good coach there is no way a good coach will take that job if he doesn't know when he is getting paid.

Interesting.
What made you now realize this?

All the time you want him to get fired and celebrating when he did.
So that light only came on now?

Who going and be the coach? Fenwick? Latapy? Fervier? Lawrence? Yorke?

They eh even sure when Hart going and collect his wages far less when they going and collect theirs. And time going.

Is one thing to be laying in wait to remove somebody and looking for every chance to do it... Is totally another thing when you have no plan about what to do after that. If another coach was already lined up then that could or should have been announced one time. It wasn't. Which is another reason why this was a stupid decision.

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Football / Re: Fire Stephen Hart Thread

« on: November 25, 2016, 07:07:53 PM »

So they gone and fire a coach...no replacement lined up..with a little over a month to go before the Gold Cup playoffs.


NICE.

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Football / Re: TTFA and Hart part ways

« on: November 24, 2016, 05:56:47 PM »

Thanks Coach Hart.

So who the replacement is now? Shouldn't that have been figured out before they let him go?

Doh tell me is Latapy. The only good thing about that would be Molino might break camp and bounce up the coach in the dance.

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Football / Re: Fire Stephen Hart Thread

« on: November 23, 2016, 11:06:36 AM »

These days I getting so fed up of hearing people braying I zoned out this.

From now on... Anybody suggesting Hart be fired... Please give viable and realistic suggestions as to his replacement.

Anything short of that wasting time.

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General Discussion / Re: Life Sport programme Thread.

« on: October 25, 2016, 09:37:07 PM »

So.

A procedural error on the part of the ex-PM Kamla Persad-Bisessar...caused this report and any possible case to be thrown out.
As soon as it thrown out....one of the main persons rouses from his slumber to bray....claiming vindication.


Yuh really eh feel some people rubbing shit in we mouth and telling we is butter?

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Football / Re: If El Sal susceptible to bribes, Soca Warriors are as well..

« on: September 08, 2016, 12:17:43 PM »

So...let me think this out.

Lets assume they were approached and facilitated..and evidence comes to the fore that they did...what would the result be? Banning of players and possible penalties that would make Russia 2018 unlikely. Is that good for us now? Nope.


Lets assume they were approached and didnt cooperate. Story done there.

Lets assume they werent and didnt and just fell apart at crucial points. Lessons to be learnt identified...but we havent lost anything as such and live to fight another day.


I dunno if I missed any other possibility...but if I have then please point it out to me...especially the part that this discussion is a constructive and positive one for the team and the country as a whole at this time.

Thanks in advance.

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General Discussion / Re: Governance under the Rowley Administration

« on: August 08, 2016, 01:39:56 PM »

Also keep in mind you can write off tertiary education expenses for taxes locally. So it not that bad.

This is not accurate, the write off is for study at foreign university or if yuh doing through distance learning yuh get d foreign fees, UWI doh qualify regardless of campus.

 IIT Auditor, so ah know this for a fact, does disallow them automatically


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Well thanks for that. That on the tax forms in a big way so I assumed it was something you could claim for. That really should be clarified... And especially in light of the changes made should be implemented as another way to ease the strain.

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General Discussion / Re: Governance under the Rowley Administration

« on: August 04, 2016, 08:25:06 PM »

I understand and agree with the principle.

I would have raised the lower limit to 15000.
Also keep in mind you can write off tertiary education expenses for taxes locally. So it not that bad.

While I also understand why persons over 50 not going and qualify for it...I think some allowance should be made and the most they could qualify for is 50%.

Multiple degree holders.....not sure how to deal with that yet...but.....probably a gradual reduction.

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General Discussion / Re: Governance under the Rowley Administration

« on: August 01, 2016, 05:57:32 PM »

Now if only they were regular and punctual.

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General Discussion / Re: United States Elections 2016

« on: August 01, 2016, 05:56:50 PM »

Sometimes when dealing with the Masses...the M is silent.

What they get they deserve.

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General Discussion / Re: The Sat Maharaj Thread

« on: July 18, 2016, 08:04:34 PM »

Even when countered with Rowley's rebuttal, Sat said that is his opinion and he stands by it. And Kamla defends his opinion.

Small ting. I wonder if the outpouring of tribute and goodwill Manning had upon his death would happen when Sat dies?

Please the celebrations would be epic it will be paled when compared to Thatcher when they sang Ding Dong the Witch is Dead.

That would trigger a last set of comess with which he would be proud.

Personally...I think If Sat dead...I think I'll try not to have anything bad to say about him.






It certainly would be a herculean effort on my part to have anything good to say though.

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General Discussion / Re: UNC Thread

« on: July 17, 2016, 09:06:16 AM »

So.
After all the money getting redirect to financiers.
After all who build house....buy land...wash money...do this that the other.

UNC eh even think to build a building? Hm.

However it is wickedness to just double a rent with basically no notice.

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General Discussion / Re: The Sat Maharaj Thread

« on: July 17, 2016, 09:03:43 AM »

Even when countered with Rowley's rebuttal, Sat said that is his opinion and he stands by it. And Kamla defends his opinion.

Small ting. I wonder if the outpouring of tribute and goodwill Manning had upon his death would happen when Sat dies?

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General Discussion / Re: Patrick Manning Thread

« on: July 02, 2016, 02:20:36 PM »

Read these....tell me what you notice.

http://www.guardian.co.tt/news/2016-07-02/tributes-manning-past-and-present-politicians

Gail Alexander
Published:
Saturday, July 2, 2016
A young supporter waits for the arrival of former prime minister Patrick Manning on his return from the United States, where he underwent treatment for a stroke. (Photo: Abraham Diaz)

 From Prime Minister and People’s National Movement (PNM) colleagues to political opponents, tributes to former Prime Minister Patrick Manning began pouring in minutes after he passed away at 8.15 am yesterday. Here are some of them:

 Prime Minister Keith Rowley

Today Trinidad and Tobago was plunged into mourning at the passing of our former Prime Minister and former political leader of the People's National Movement, Mr Patrick Augustus Mervyn Manning.
Mr. Manning will be remembered as a visionary, a patriot and a Caribbean man who always strived for excellence. He made the development and well-being of Trinidad and Tobago his priority and in so doing, dedicated his life to serving our twin island state.
During Mr. Manning’s tenure as Prime Minister, the country experienced unprecedented growth and development, the benefits from that period are still helping us through the trying times we face today.
Up until his death Mr. Manning remained a source of guidance and inspiration to a generation of national and regional leaders who still sought his counsel even after he left active public life.
To Mrs. Manning and the Manning family, my family and I join you and the rest of the country in mourning his death. I extend our heartfelt condolences and gratitude for sharing him with us, since his service to the nation meant time away from his family.”
To the constituents of San Fernando East whom he represented for his entire political career, we extend our deepest sympathy, we empathise with your loss.
In recognition of Mr Manning's passing, flags are to be flown at half-mast at all public buildings and foreign missions from today until the day after Mr Manning's funeral. Subsequent to consultation with the Manning family, it has been decided that a state funeral will be held for Mr Manning, the details of which will be released in due time.

Minister in the OFFICE OF THE Prime Minister Stuart Young
It is with a great sense of sadness that the PNM Family has been informed of the passing of Mr Patrick Manning, former Prime Minister of Trinidad and Tobago and former Political Leader of the PNM.
On behalf of the members of the PNM and on behalf of the Executive of the PNM, I take the opportunity to express our sincerest and heartfelt condolences to Ms Hazel Manning, her sons and Mr Manning's wider family.
Mr Manning served Trinidad and Tobago for decades as a leader with great vision and his passing is a loss to the Nation and to his party, the PNM. We join in prayer for his soul and his family and thank him and his family for his life and his invaluable contributions. We ask that God rest and bless Mr Manning's soul.

 Opposition leader Kamla Persad-Bissessar
It is with deep sadness that we heard of the passing of former Prime Minister Patrick Manning.On behalf all in the Parliamentary Opposition and the United National Congress, we send our heartfelt sympathies and prayers to his wife, Hazel, and his sons and close relatives.
Mr Manning was Prime Minister by electoral victory three times in our history - 1991, 2002 and 2007. He was also our longest serving Parliamentarian and one of the longest serving Public Servants in the region. Indeed, his wife Hazel has always exemplified strength and fortitude in her family, something which was clear throughout their public life.
The grief we share at his passing is, without doubt, grief that will be shared by our fellow nations in the region. We wish the Mannings God's guidance and support and pray that the former Prime Minister will find a place of joy and rest.

 FORMER PNM CHAIRMAN DR LENNY SAITH
The time will come for me to speak, the shock has not subsided. Suffice to say, he was more than a colleague, he was a friend.  We knew each other wll before 1986 when I chaired the PNM . . . I will miss him. I can tell you Patrick lived for his work, from early morning to late, late at night, He was a hard, hard worker. My condolence go out to Hazel and the boys.

FORMER COP LEADER, WINSTON DOOKERAN
Mr Manning’s political life was one of courage and one in which he never swerved from his commitment to building a modern T&T. I always felt his vision was laudable. Being from San Fernando, I knew him and I knew his family. I always had a very close relationship with him on a personal basis. I’m deeply saddened by his passing. I believe T&T owes a debt of gratitude to his stewardship as difficult as it has been. He will be remembered for his sincerity of purpose and his vision for the nation.

FORMER UNC MP/ILP LEADER JACK WARNER
Trinidad and Tobago has lost one of its most experienced and valuable political minds with the passing of Honourable Patrick Manning. I am consoled by the fact that two months before he died he and I met privately at his home and we made up whatever differences we had, whether real or imagined. I am certain that he will be better off where he shall finally rest than he was in Trinidad and Tobago these past six years.
Though we differed in some aspects of our political philosophy and ideology and in how we believed the problems facing our country could be solved and in how the development of our country and its people ought to be pursued, as one human being to another, it is impossible not to appreciate the great things that Mr Manning achieved and the contributions he made to this country and to his political party of choice.
I take this opportunity to offer tribute to Mr Manning as a former Prime Minister of Trinidad and Tobago and to extend condolences to Mrs Hazel Manning, his family, the supporters of the People’s National Movement and constituents of San Fernando East whom he served for his 44-year political career.
Mr Manning’s strength was in that he conceived of a vision and pursued it relentlessly and with passion, regardless of what the critics said. This is one of the hallmark qualities of strong leadership. Another distinguishing quality was that he was deeply loved by his followers and admirers, and respected by his opponents and colleagues.

EX-PNM MINISTER Jerry Narace
Patrick Manning will go down in history as one of Trinidad and Tobago’s greatest leaders; one of the greatest fighters for the people of T&T within our region and one of the greatest proponents of the Caribbean region as an economic and cultural force in the modern world.
We live today in a country that Patrick Manning transformed with his vision. It is a country with greater freedom and prosperity; a society more advanced than the one he inherited when he became prime minister. When others saw only limits to T&T’s growth, he saw the true potential of our land. During his tenure as prime minister, he created a strong economic and energy architecture through pivotal policy changes, fueling the country’s infrastructure, health system, education and culture.
No one was more deeply committed to the Caribbean integration than Patrick Manning. He was pivotal to the creation of the Caribbean Single Market with all its benefits to the people, while he always advocated our commitment to Caricom. His leadership in the region is unparalleled, setting an example for all regional leaders.
We have lost a great leader and a great man. I have also lost a dear friend.

RAMESH LAWRENCE MAHARAJ
I knew Patrick since the 1980s, well before I entered Parliament since we were both from San Fernando. We were always friendly and later. He was also my MP, so this is very sad news.”
Before his death, I had heard from someone in the San Fernando General Hospital that he was having dificulties and I contacted John Jeremie (former Attorney General) who I know to be close to him. He said he was in the US but had been  contacted by the family with the news also.
When were were in Parliament, as Opposition whip, we clashed but were still cordial.   In 2001, when I - as UNC  AG- had spoken out on corruption - he was one of those  I had a meeting with at the Hilton
He ought to be remembered as a man who gave total sevice to T&T. Those opposed to him would know even when there was political rivalry, his paramount aim was the welfare and benefit of T&T. He was good statesman, committed to ensuring the Parliamentary form of government continued and also committed to constitutional reform. During his service to the PNM, there can be no doubt he upheld the high ideals of integrity and democratic values. I extend condolences to his wife and sons and will certain pay my respects in person at the funeral.

MOVEMENT FOR SOCIAL JUSTICE LEADER DAVID ABDULAH
THE MSJ extends its condolences to Mrs. Hazel Manning and to all members of the Manning family on the passing of Mr. Patrick Manning, former Prime Minister. The passing of a loved one, regardless of that person’s station in life, is always a time of sadness for the members of the family and we therefore say to Mr. Manning’s family that we sympathise with the loss of your husband, father, brother, cousin, uncle.
At the same time, Mr. Manning was much more than a family man. He was the person who served as a Member of the Trinidad and Tobago Parliament for longer than any other; was the only person to have lost and then won the government and had the distinction of being the second longest holder of the office of Prime Minister. His was a life dedicated to public service through politics. In our times when so many have little or no interest in public service and where others see public office as a means to private gain and personal enrichment, Mr. Manning’s life stands out as a repudiation of such selfishness. His example must not be glossed over or ignored.
It is well known that the social movements such as the Federation of Independent Trade Unions and NGOs (FITUN) were opposed to many of Mr. Manning’s policiesduring the period 2002-2010. We will not pretend the intense struggle of different ideas and philosophies of what should constitute development and good governance between Mr. Manning and the social movements did not exist. History must not be re-written.
To his credit, Mr. Manning sought to engage persons outside of his political party—and even persons who were opposed to the PNM—to contribute to national development. Thus, while I served as president of FITUN I was asked to serve as chairman of the board of the Cipriani College of Labour and Co-Operative Studies and a member of the Core Committee of the Vision 2020 process. Many other citizens of all political persuasions also participated in the 2020 process. In this regard Mr. Manning must be commended for recognizing that this country’s future could not be built with only some of the population.
Mr. Manning did seek to bring about change in T&T—some of which will stand the test of time. The Brian Lara Promenade made downtown Port of Spain a better space; the floating of the TT dollar, though criticised at the time, has stood us well in terms of economic growth as was the decision to establish an LNG industry. He ran his leg of the relay race doing it his way, gave us an example of public service and so may he now rest in peace.

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General Discussion / Re: Patrick Manning Thread

« on: July 02, 2016, 02:15:33 PM »

RIP Mr. Manning. 

On a different note. . 
I am really disappointed with some of the remarks posted by UNC supporters on the passing of Mr. Patrick Manning. I did not always agree with some of his decisions but he was our Prime Minister and should be respected in death. Come on T&T we should be better than that.

There are certain things that shouldn't surprise you. This doesnt.

Manning coulda save them from their death....they would cuss him for depriving them of the chance to reincarnate. There are people who unable to appreciate or analyze things without their biases. And thats just the way it is. I went on a forum today...where cussing Manning was/is a staple. One comment was "That was sudden. 4 look like a good mark for play whe today". Is a fact...we need all kinds of people to make up a world.

A friend sent me some of the speeches he did in the run up and aftermath of May 2010....and...thanks to hindsight you could really see he knew what he was talking about.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5occD_nLfU&feature=share

One of the last if not the last of an era. Hopefully history vindicates him even more.

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General Discussion / Re: Patrick Manning Thread

« on: July 02, 2016, 08:16:35 AM »

One of the best. A real visionary. Really thankful for his service and his impact.

God speed good Sir. Your policies did a lot....for me personally especially. I'll never forget the day that I lay down in the front seat of my mother's car worrying about how I would pay for university...and you announced GATE.

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General Discussion / Re: Patrick Manning Thread

« on: July 02, 2016, 06:48:07 AM »

He died this morning.

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General Discussion / Re: Governance under the Rowley Administration

« on: June 29, 2016, 10:24:39 PM »

how is a 'local tourist' determined and how do we calculate income from such? Is such $$ not just part of the general 'economy'?

I guessing any Trini that goes to Tobago. Kinda difficult to quantify...what about Trinis who live abroad? What about Tobagonians who originally from Tobago and come back on vacation? Especially since they very likely to be using TT currency.

*Edit: I now remember an experience I had when I last went Tobago. Our group was doing a hike to Argyle Waterfall..and I was bringing up the rear as I was responsible for helping shuttle people from the campsite to the waterfall. The fees are different for locals and foreigners. So I stood by the entrance waiting for a friend...I see a vehicle looking like a horn chile of a big maxi and a bread van pull up...and a stream of Chinese looking people came out. I was kinda surprised eh...yuh normally doh see so much at one time especially in Tobago. Didnt hear a word of english.....Cantonese (I assume) or Mandarin or whatever being spoken in abundance.....I felt like I was in a kung fu movie with no subtitles.

The lady by the gate see the group....done start to check....about 25 tourists...NICE. In a slightly mamaguyishly gregarious fresh water tone she said "Hiiiii! Where you guys from? Hong Kong?"
Group gone silent...then one responded loudly in a distinctly Trini twang.."No! WE FROM TRINIDAD!!!"



However this is a very under utilized thing. Especially given the frequency with long weekends here. Right now Margarita has packages for approximately 2000 TT for 3 nights /4 days (or 4 nights...cant remember for sure.) Between Tobago, and Trinidad....there is a degree of potential for local appreciation and utilization of what we can do. Sadly things poorly done. Tickets for the ferry...poor facilities, lack of information...poor service....we only hurt ourselves.

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General Discussion / Re: PNM Thread

« on: June 15, 2016, 07:13:58 PM »

I hear he saying the circumstances outlined in the Newsday article are not true.

So I eh know. But he gone.

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General Discussion / Re: PNM Thread

« on: June 15, 2016, 07:36:20 AM »

He buy he trouble wholesale.

http://www.newsday.co.tt/news/0,229170.html

Nude images lead to blackmail

By Nalinee Seelal Tuesday, June 14 2016

A GOVERNMENT Senator has reported to Fraud Squad that he is being blackmailed by a woman from North American who has posted videos of him in the nude on You Tube. The senator says he has already vast sums of money via wire transfer to the woman in an effort to coerce her into removing the explicit videos from the website.

However, after the videos of the senator were removed the woman threatened to repost if he does not pay her more money. In frustration, the man who has several children, went to the Fraud Squad and told senior officers.

He expressed his deep shame at what he had done and is no longer willing to be subjected to blackmail, as it is taking a heavy toll on him financially.

Newsday understands an official report was made to the Fraud Squad last Friday and a team of officers led by Snr Supt Totaram Dookhie began an official investigation into the report. Other senior officers have been officially informed of the report. According to well placed sources, the Senator who contested and lost a general election, has become depressed over the incident.

He reportedly told police he met the woman through Facebook and she sent him photos of herself saying she found him very “interesting.” The two began video chatting and as the days progressed, the woman expressed an intimate interest in the senator. The two began exchanging erotic conversations, police sources said.

The woman asked the senator to send her video images of himself naked so she could get a “first hand look” of him. The senator complied.

In the video, police sources said, the senator began touching himself as he spoke in a suggestive and obscene manner to the woman.

The woman asked for further nude videos and the Senator complied.

Newsday understands that the woman contacted the Senator recently and threatened to place the videos on You Tube but the Senator thought she was joking. However when the videos were in fact posted, the Senator became traumatised and contacted the woman who began blackmailing him for money. The wire transfers of the cash were made and details of the transfers are in the hands of the Fraud Squad.

A friend of the Senator yesterday told Newsday he is not only traumatised but depressed since he has grown children and is remorseful of his decision to engage in the way he did. Newsday understands the Senator is supposed to meet with Prime Minister Dr Keith Rowley to explain his situation as he (the Senator) is contemplating resigning.

Checks by Newsday yesterday revealed that President’s House has not revoked the Senatorial appointment and attempts by Newsday to get a comment from Prime Minister Dr Keith Rowley, via text messages, proved to be futile. Head of Corporate Communications of the TT Police Service Ellen Lewis has confirmed that who confirmed that an investigation has been launched by the Fraud Squad in this matter.

“I can confirm that a report was made by a Government Senator in which he is alleging being blackmailed and this report is being investigated by the Fraud Squad,” Lewis said. Contacted for comment, the Senator confirmed making a report to police but said he does not wish to say anything further at this time as he is consultation with with several persons including lawyers. He promised a statement later this week.

“I do not know how I got caught up in this thing in the first place because I am a very careful person.

My family is in politics, please be careful what you write because I have children and I know that people would be able to identify who I am shortly. But this is one hurricane coming that I would have to face. I don’t want to prejudice the investigations and as such, I won’t comment any further,” the Senator said.

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Cricket Anyone / Re: the Bernard Julien thread

« on: June 05, 2016, 09:29:15 PM »

Me too. Went to school with his son too....

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Football / Re: Majoring in Minors/Going back to basics?

« on: June 04, 2016, 10:51:04 PM »

Yeah the tune was in my head.... So I put it in the title.

So how could it be done? Any other ideas?

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Entertainment & Culture Discussion / Re: RIP Holly B

« on: June 02, 2016, 01:16:07 AM »

A total boss.
I go miss him....always looked forward to hearing his Tout Bagai segment on radio.

I'll never forget "1 lb Maraval Road"

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Football / Majoring in Minors/Going back to basics?

« on: June 02, 2016, 12:49:11 AM »

Came across this article on the Guardian's website.

Synopsis basically is the fact that the financial disparity that exists between groups means that the US is missing out on significant talent because of the fact that talent that exists in low income areas are not getting an opportunity to be seen.

He sees well-to-do families spending thousands of dollars a year on soccer clubs that propel their children to the sport’s highest levels, while thousands of gifted athletes in mostly African American and Latino neighborhoods get left behind. He worries about this inequity. Soccer is the world’s great democratic game, whose best stars have come from the world’s slums, ghettos and favelas. And yet in the US the path to the top is often determined by how many zeroes a parent can write in their checkbook.

Now...while its interesting to know....really and truly that isnt consequential for ME. And I speaking as a Trinbagonian who recognizes the fact that we have talent and can do better. But as I read the article, I realized, what about our situation locally? We speak to the need to have formal coaching systems in place "at the grassroots level" is the catch phrase usually employed....but then...how? Especially when you think of this:

One of the biggest complaints about the pay-to-play system is that the over-coaching in suburban programs strips kids of the creativity that comes from playing on the streets. Borge loves his recruiting trips to the underground leagues where kids are free from restrictions. Too often, when a skilled and imaginative player leaves their neighborhood team to join a bigger team in a wealthier community, their gifts are considered a hindrance. The clever dancing with the ball that makes them unique earns them the label of not being a team player. A message is delivered: conform or leave.

Back in the day, street football gave a talent base that provided things  that are lacking now: creativity and community involvement. It declined for various reasons. Right now we would be cussing if a player with potential etc runs to play a minor league or goes to sweat in the Savannah and gets injured. Now, most parents, see the best chance that their child would have should be getting into a training school at an early age. In fact...there are secondary schools for intercol (arguably the best supported league in the country) that your playing for particular training schools is a sure way for you to be selected to represent your school.

BUT.......isnt and shouldnt the education obtained from street football be able to develop a better (or at least more creative) player? Wenger mentioned it when he just signed Alexis Sanchez (see here or for more direct quotes here )

Now I thinking culturally. I'll use Holly B as an example. Holly B was somebody that even I at my "young" age appreciated, because he brought back memories of an era and was active in an era were culturally we were showing great promise. Local content was high. Scouting for Talent and other shows launched many artistes. Sadly we probably didnt achieve all that we could have, and now things are not as it should be...the community spirit is broken. We think of 12 and under and other shows and opportunities that gave a platform for talent to be portrayed. A strong community gave rise to development and exposure of talent.


Is it possible to marry the two? How can we revamp our system to have a mutualistic relationship between the grassroots, the minor leagues, the Pro League and ensure that the product at the national level is better? Look...this year the Eddie Hart League is celebrating 50 years. Wonderful right? But....can this be replicated, expanded and optimized, so that we could maximize our talent pool?


I really dunno if its the fact that I reading and typing this at 230am....if this is coherent...if forumites would follow the angle I considering...or if anything constructive could or would come from it.

But I asking. How can we create conditions where we can have the best player possible? And I eh talking about vague generic statements. Success is the achievement of purpose. Can we highlight our goal as "This" and therefore to achieve "This" we need to do "x" "y" and "z" so that we can get more of "This"?

Do we have a formalized plan? Is it revisited? Or is it like we think we could just have a fete....throw some alcohol and some music and some loose waist gyal in the mix and we would have a successful event....when year after year we making the same mistakes. When many promoters have realized that a successful event requires lots of planning (and paradoxically enough this may be contributing to the "elitism" of our culture and stratification of carnival...which is a whole other debate)

Discuss. I really interested in hearing viewpoints.

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Football / Re: Thread for T&T vs Peru Game (23-May-2016)

« on: May 23, 2016, 07:25:41 PM »

Lets see what the justification for those who went is.

Cause....if there is none....well...I go have to laugh. We get what we deserve.

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Football / Re: The Stretford End- Home of the Champions

« on: May 23, 2016, 03:42:03 PM »

Pep brings out the best in Mo.  He always wants to beat Pep and that determination brings the kind of fighting spirit that has been lacking for some time @ ManUre.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2016/may/23/pep-guardiola-jose-mourinho-manchester-city-united-rivalry

Pep Guardiola took his seat at the Santiago Bernabéu, looked up at the cameras pointing his way from the back of the room, asked which one was José Mourinho’s and, concluding that they must all be, began. It was the eve of the 2011 Champions League semi-final and Guardiola came out fighting. What followed was a long, pointed monologue aimed at his adversary, a settling of scores with a touch of the title weigh-in about it. “In this [press] room, he is the puto jefe, the puto amo – the f**king boss, the f**king master,” Guardiola insisted. “And I don’t want to compete with him for a moment.”

Now he will have to, all over again. José Mourinho versus Pep Guardiola has moved to Manchester. “I know him and he knows me,” Guardiola said that night. They had worked together at Barcelona, captain and assistant coach; had faced each other as managers on either side of the clásico divide; and briefly met when Chelsea played Bayern Munich in the 2013 European Super Cup; this time they share a city, a rivalry renewed. The two biggest names, elevated to comic-book or cinematic status. “Ah, Mr Pep, we meet again … ” perhaps, or, “This town ain’t big enough for the both of us”.
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It almost feels as if it had to be this way; that once City got Guardiola, United had to get his arch enemy, a counter-reaction for every reaction; as if this was a decision driven by personality and status. Opposites who attract. On some basic, emotional level: if City have a big name, United have to have a bigger one. On a footballing one: if City have Guardiola, United have to seek out a guarantee, the one man who can stop him. There may be others who could, of course, but that is how it is set up. And so the pattern is repeated. When Madrid signed Mourinho in the summer of 2010 his mission was simple: to defeat Guardiola and bring down Barcelona.

The mission stood before him daily. A life-sized cardboard cut-out used to be propped up in Mourinho’s office at Valdebebas depicting him sprinting across the Camp Nou turf, finger in the air, celebrating at the end of the 2010 Champions League semi-final. Internazionale had reached the final, Barcelona had not. For Madrid, there was relief and revelation: Mourinho had rescued them from watching the Catalan club lift the trophy at the Bernabéu. Now he had to complete the job. The plan was one with which United are familiar: to knock their rivals off their perch.

So Mourinho set about waging war, on and off the pitch. Conflict was his cause and it became increasingly personal. Perhaps it always had been: even Guardiola had told Barcelona’s president Joan Laporta that it would be easier to make Mourinho Barça manager in 2008, but he had been chosen instead. Mourinho, who once declared that Barcelona would be “for ever” in his heart, wanted the job. Then there was the task before him, an enormous one requiring shock tactics: Guardiola’s team had won the treble in 2009 and the league in 2010. Only he had prevented them reaching a second successive European Cup final.

Mourinho sought to break up the relationship that had built between Madrid and Barcelona players who had just won the 2010 World Cup together with Spain, telling them that he had been there and he knew that their Catalan colleagues hated Spain and would never truly be their friends. He bemoaned referees and committees, favourable fixtures and even teams that did not try; in short, a campaign against his club. Somehow Madrid and Mourinho were projected as the powerless little man, the victims.

His campaign against Barcelona was relentless – even if he rarely referred to them by name, preferring to cite “other clubs”. He attacked their elevation to untouchable status and their image as the game’s good guys, their projection of themselves as the sole defenders of “football”, as if no other style was legitimate. He railed against their “purity” and blamelessness. He accused them of diving and pressuring officials, who favoured them. He insisted that, behind the mask, he and Guardiola were not so different, prompting the Barcelona manager to promise he would revise his behaviour. And on match days, he ordered his team into battle. Almost literally at times. The red cards received reinforced his narrative and it spilled over often.

Most famously of all, he sneaked round behind Barcelona’s assistant coach Tito Vilanova and poked him in the eye. When he was asked about it after the game, he claimed not to know “this Pito Vilanova or whatever his name is”. He knew very well who he was, just as he knew that Pito is Spanish for “cock”.

So the spiral spun, the century-old rivalry seemingly more bitter, more intense than ever before. Trenches were dug deeper, divides opening up even within his own club. There may be excitement about the two men meeting again in Manchester but by the end of the battle for Spain, it was largely tiresome and unpleasant. Perhaps a different environment, different teams, different demands, will change that. Or perhaps not.
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Mourinho and Guardiola left a year apart, neither of them seeming happy or fulfilled, both a little burnt. When Guardiola departed, he was asked about his memories of the clásicos, the biggest club game on the planet with the best players. He had seen a 6-2, a 5-0, a 2-0 in the European Cup semi-final, some of the best moments in his club’s history, but his reply was telling: “I don’t have good memories of them,” he said. Others looked back on those four clásicos in 18 days in 2011 and struggled to remember the football through the fog.
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“We didn’t bring Mourinho here to make friends,” said Emilio Butragueño, Madrid’s institutional director. Those he did make were determined defenders. Some presented him as a crusader for the truth, fighting Madrid’s corner; others as paranoid and pernicious. “I don’t fancy talking about him,” Andrés Iniesta told El País. “But it’s clear that Mourinho did more harm than good; he damaged Spanish football.” Mourinho responded by saying that Spanish football, which he pointedly noted had come to be seen as synonymous with the Catalan club, had been “damaged” because he had “ended Barcelona’s hegemony”.

In 2012 Madrid all but claimed the league with a 2-1 win at the Camp Nou, beginning a run of just one defeat in seven clásicos. Mourinho is the only manager in eight years to take Madrid to the league title, and in his first season his team took the Copa del Rey from Barcelona. Guardiola failed to win just four trophies out of 18 when at the Camp Nou, but three of the four were lost to Mourinho’s sides. Yet, in two years of Pep versus José in Spain, Guardiola had won three major trophies, Mourinho two. A league title and a cup for Mourinho versus a league title, a cup and a European Cup for Guardiola.

When Guardiola went at the end of the 2011-12 season, it was as if Mourinho had been orphaned, without a rival to fight against. Can’t live with him, can’t live without him? He ended up fighting with his own players, finishing the season empty-handed and 15 points behind as Barcelona, now under Vilanova, took the title back. If some Mourinho defenders totted up Guardiola’s departure as another victory, proof that he had been beaten by the better man, it did not make Madrid winners.

They might have learnt. Some gloated that Guardiola had lost it when he launched that puto amo rant in 2011, the night when a dam had burst and he gave some back, but what subsequently happened on the field suggested otherwise. Mourinho had broken him, some said, really gotten under his skin; he had finally cracked with all the pressure. But the response was planned and the following night, Barcelona won 2-0 at the Bernabéu, Mourinho whining “Why? Why? Why?” afterwards, going off on a wild rant about the dark forces of Unicef and Uefa.

“Josep Guardiola is a fantastic coach,” Mourinho said, “but I have won two Champions Leagues. He has won [only] one Champions League and that is one that would embarrass me. I would be ashamed to have won it with the scandal of Stamford Bridge and if he wins it this year it will be with the scandal of the Bernabéu. I hope that one day he can win a proper Champions League. Deep down, if they are good people, it cannot taste right for them. I hope one day Guardiola has the chance of winning a brilliant, clean championship with no scandal.”

Guardiola did win it that year. Mourinho has two as well. Neither has added to the tally since. They headed in different directions: to Germany, where Guardiola won three league titles and two cups; and to England, where Mourinho won one league title and the League Cup. Now, their paths meet again, in Manchester.

That conduct is his best? Wow nice.

I always thought that the treatment of Eva the physio was probably as bad as he could get. Looking forward to how much better this best going and be.

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Football / Re: The Stretford End- Home of the Champions

« on: May 23, 2016, 10:03:39 AM »

Imagine how much worse he could get with Pep at city. Plus the English media.


In fact that's the main reason they pushing it. The hype equals sales.

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Football / Re: Thread for T&T vs Peru Game (23-May-2016)

« on: May 23, 2016, 12:22:27 AM »

So broadcast arrangements confirmed yet?