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I know some of them refer to us a trickidadians, like you I live in the  us,  having moved here when I was eighteen, I often find myself declaring yes I am of Indian decent but foremost I am Trinidadian and I grew up seven miles of the coast of Venezuela. My caribbean "heritage" is a matter of pride and I hate having to defend it to folks especially those for the same place as me.

My support of Italy and the Netherlands every world cup hopefully did not me less west Indian when Jamaica went in 94?

I don't know what generation supported India over WI, that wasn't happening when I was growing up, and I should not be judged by what others did before me, but who cares who they supported, I like they have a mind of my own and a right to use it...

Been a minute but I see that the call for Trinidadians of Indian descent to beat their chest and proclaim their trini-ness/west indian/ caribbean identity to a select few has not gone away.  :frustrated: :frustrated: :frustrated:

like the man say,

"Iz trinidad meh born, iz trinidad meh come from"

General Discussion / Re: THE OFFICIAL BABES THREAD
« on: November 15, 2012, 05:56:19 PM »
Been a while,

bess for days

Great find touches!  Was thinking about this recently, probably the most comprehensive collaborative calypsonian effort ever.  Really miss some of these guys, especially Preddy.

Stuff like this should be a part of our national museum perhaps on a DVD that simply loops.  At any rate, good find.  Is any of stuff like this on display at NAPA?

Ditto. Kitch always could make me smile. Check out super blue/blue boy handle bar. Completely forgot about Natasha Wilson until I saw this video.

General Discussion / Re: PNM Sour puss
« on: September 08, 2012, 08:52:59 AM »

My great grandfather came with his family from Madras (Chennai) India to Trinidad. My grandfather is African and Indian. His Indian family used to call him dougla, and laugh. He accepted that as a term for mix African and Indian like majority of Trinis. As my grandfather grew up, he learned that dougla is Bhojpuri (Hindu dialect) for bastard. Thats why his Indian family used to laugh when they called him dougla or dougala...

See I learn something today

The word originated from doogala (दुगला), which is a Bhojpuri and Hindi word that has many meanings such as many, a mix, or much. It literally means "two necks" in Bhojpuri and is highly insulting in the Bihar and Purvanchal regions of North India. Some of the connotations of the word such as bastard, illegitimate and son of a whore are secondary and limited to sections of North India where the term may have originated.[1] The term itself has a puzzling connotation, for it has very limited use within the subcontinent for the purpose that it gained in the West Indies. In other words, there is no recorded use of the word other than that which the definition describes, and yet, there is little or no record of such a defined use anywhere on the continent. Originally, the use of the word in the West Indies was only used for Afro-Indo racial hybrids, despite its origin as a word used to describe inter-caste mixing. In Bihar and Uttar Pradesh it is considered highly offensive, as it denotes that one is of mixed caste or a half-breed.

General Discussion / Re: PNM Sour puss
« on: September 08, 2012, 08:30:25 AM »

I feel you.. Some of those mentioned above have made great strides with increasing Trinbago's brand/name globally. But I am more speaking about the cultural symbols that are recognized globally. For instance, Pan and Calypso are much more known than half of those people on the list. Also, those above are not even cultural icons as yet .i.e. Bob Marley... Hanomansingh is an excellent journalist, Naipul (although I dont agree with everything he was writing about) still by far an excellent author. Rudranath was a brilliant man. DLP brought him in because they thought he can match wits with Eric Williams. Which he did many times.

Please dont get me wrong fellas, I am not saying that Indians did not make any major accomplishments in and for T&T. I would be a fool to even think that. All I am saying is that the cultural and sporting accomplishments that seems to get the world's attention or most of the world even knows about, are ones made by the Afri-Trinidadian community.

To clarify myself from my original position, I am opposed to the idea of minimizing the Africans role in producing Trinidad's culture i.e. Carnival coming from the French or Steel pan a product of a joint effort between the African and the Indian. For the former, Carnival began on emancipation day, it was changed to the period before Lent by the colonial government. Also, that served as a good way to "Christianize" the African. As for the idea that Steel pan is a collaboration between African and Indians.. race was should not be mentioned, I am happy with pan being a Trinidadian accomplishment. However, during discourses on pan history, pan is usually mentioned as such... a product of race and ethnicity unity. As I said, Race or ethnicity should not be mentioned. But if it is going to be mentioned, then it should not be used to mislead or fool people. 

Last, I am also against the rewriting of Trinidad history through political statements and gestures that the administration is currently engaged in.

Trinindian, bring more names of the Indo-Trinidadian intellectual giants i.e. Rudranath. I believe there are still some out there that I havent heard of as yet. Thanks.

Agreed no ones contribution to the establishmet of the trinbago identity should be minimized, but sometimes broad sweeping statement can carry unintended meanings.

No other intellectuals come to mind immediately, but i will see what i can find should be educational if nothing else.

General Discussion / Re: PNM Sour puss
« on: September 08, 2012, 08:13:47 AM »
Foxy brown aka Inga Marchand is a doughla. The Examples was not mean to be a indo-trinidadian but a list of others not strictly of Afro descent  that have had success on the international stage. Maybe you are right for those individuals that were found to be objectionable  the individual constituents are more important than the whole because any success that they had was strictly due to their african heritage. Guess Samuel Selvon does not belong, after all he is half Scott and that is why he was successful.

General Discussion / Re: PNM Sour puss
« on: September 08, 2012, 12:09:10 AM »

I love that name Trinindian.

Dont get me wrong.Because Afri-Trinidadians put Trinidad on the global in terms of sports and and cultural accomplishments that does not make Indians less of a citizen. Look at Canada for instances, before the 80s and 90s, the majority of the sporting accomplishments for Canada have been made by "white" or "Canadian Canadians". This does not make non-whites second class citizens.

So what about
V.S. Naipaul
Samuel selvon
Anya Ayoung-Chee
Rudranath Capildeo
Foxy brown
Niki Minaj
Ian Hanomansing

Not athletes but Defintely cultural ambassadors

General Discussion / Re: BEST DISCLAIMER EVER.
« on: September 07, 2012, 08:06:23 PM »

panty on a whole is a problem, get rid of them all together ;)

Yuh sure about that, everything has a purpose.

General Discussion / Re: PNM Sour puss
« on: September 07, 2012, 07:43:34 PM »
The fact two major political parties practice segregational politricks. The PP is doing nonsense but this fact does not make PNM the solution. All this talk about Indian and African is disheartening, yes I am Indian,it would seem that would make me a second class Trinidadian cause after all Trinis of African descent put us on  the map. So while I Can be happy that mr Walcott won a gold, it would seem that I also need to be aware that he comes from a section of the population that excludes me. Tell me when can I just be happy and proud because someone from the only place I will  ever consider to be home Has done something impressive.

For myself I am Trinidadian first, a fact that anyone who calls me Indian is made aware off, the steel pan is distinctively trini that cannot be said for the tassa.

Enough with the crabs in a bucket already.

in what way, if there is indotrini athletic talent dis country we way to small to ignore dem, especially for dumb reasons like "dem is indian" fact of the matter is dat dat talent never presents itself, if it out there it is suppressed, in favor of academics, d entire UTT sports program was almost out d door due in part to that very same mindset..........since the Gopiesingh became MoE he has consistently trained his guns and extracurricular activities in schools including sports...............in many ways as far as sport is concerned and being included therein indotrinis do themselves the most harm, discrimination not withstand and it does not help when Sat makes dumb statements to d effect that indians are deliberately left out of the olympic team....d Olympic team is not ah pick up side AFAIK, qualifications were met to be there

Edited my post to clarify the point I am attempting to make. Which is  I just want to be happy for a fellow country man/woman and don't have to be reminded of that person racial background. Don't care for Sat or any others cut in the same vein.  They are hypocritics and I chose not to be one.

General Discussion / Re: PNM Sour puss
« on: September 07, 2012, 05:09:24 PM »
The fact two major political parties practice segregational politricks. The PP is doing nonsense but this fact does not make PNM the solution. All this talk about Indian and African is disheartening, yes I am Indian,it would seem that would make me a second class Trinidadian cause after all Trinis of African descent put us on the map. So while I Can be happy that mr Walcott won a gold, it seem that I also need to be aware that he comes from a section of the population that excludes me. Tell me when can I just be happy and proud because someone from the only place I will  ever consider to be home Has done something impressive.

For myself I am Trinidadian first, a fact that anyone who calls me Indian is made aware off, the steel pan is distinctively trini that cannot be said for the tassa.

Enough with the crabs in a bucket already.

General Discussion / Re: Happy Birthday Trinidad and Tobago
« on: August 30, 2012, 10:39:39 PM »
Trinidad & Tobago celebrates 50 years of independence
Neki Mohan blogs from Trinidad & Tobago

Port of Spain, Trinidad and Tobago, 5:37 p.m. Thursday

It's surreal to be on the ground in the capital of my youth on assignment. Photographer Bob Palumbo and I are in a busy Port of Spain, which is draped in red, white and black -- the national colors.

We are in the Port of Spain to cover Trinidad and Tobago's 50th anniversary of independence. A big deal in the twin island republic which so many South Floridians claim as their native homeland.

Ten of thousands of Trinidadians and Tobagonians live in the State of Florida. Lieutenant Governor Jennifer Carroll is a native of the country. Chances are you have a neighbor, a friend or a co-worker that hails from the twin island republic.

Trinidad and Tobago is very unique as Caribbean islands go because of its natural resources. It's vibrant industry of petroleum and petroleum products, making it a vital supplier to the region, including the United States. Lt. Gov Carroll just led a trade delegation to T&T this summer to build a stronger economic link between the two places.

Signs of the culture here in South Florida are everywhere. The steel band, which was created in Trinidad, is part of the soundtrack for our Caribbean lifestyle and tourism industry. Every year, Miami Gardens plays host to the hundreds of thousands who come in to town for the annual Carnival in October. In almost every city in South Florida, there are Caribbean markets and restaurants. Even groceries stores are stocking their shelves with more imports to keep up with demand to satisfy their Caribbean clientele.

I was born in New York to two Trinidadian-born parents who were struggling to find opportunity in their new not so tropical homeland that had many job opportunities. Caring for a child was not easy without family support, so at 3-years-old, I went to live with my grandparents in Port of Spain until it was time to go to college.

My story is one of thousands of similar experiences shared by Caribbean Immigrants in South Florida. We have embraced American culture and lifestyle but there will always be a feeling inside that makes T&T our home, too.

This is a big day for T&T, and I am honored to cover it for Local 10.

At midnight Friday, they will reenact the lowering of the British Flag and hoisting on Trinidad and Tobago's red, white and black flag for the first time 50 years ago. We are here on the ground to bring this special time to you.

General Discussion / Re: nah, nah and again Fu#@ing nah!
« on: August 29, 2012, 03:09:17 AM »

Mandela is one of the few people alive that meets this criteria. These are not traits that any trini politican have.

Cricket Anyone / Tragedy of the West Indian rebels
« on: May 11, 2011, 08:36:14 AM »
Tragedy of the West Indian rebels

It is almost 25 years since the most hated West Indian cricket side of all time was assembled. ROBERT CRADDOCK reports how the tour's bitter legacy taints careers and lives to this day.
NO matter what Brian Lara and his not-so-merry men cop for bowing out early from their own World Cup it would not be a tenth of the abuse and hardship that rained down on the 18 West Indians who, in January 1983, headed off to South Africa for a rebel tour.

It was seen here as the ultimate sell-out . . . black men agreeing to play in an apartheid regime in which blacks were second-class citizens though the players, many financially stricken, considered it a business decision.

Such was the abuse heaped on many of the men who took around $130,000 for two rebel tours that several have lost their minds.

Across the road from my hotel yesterday was former Test wicket-keeper David Murray, son of the great Sir Everton Weekes and whose life spiralled into a world of depression and drugs after the tour.

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He is 56 but looks older. These days he can be seen around Accra beach mixing with the men who sell drugs to tourists.

He makes no attempt to hide the trauma of his experience, saying it is hard to convey the distress you feel when you are walking down the road "and someone you don't even know turns in your direction and says 'you sold your soul, man.' "

Richard Austin, once considered a Woolworths Garry Sobers who could bat and bowl medium-pace and off-spin, begs in the streets on his home city of Kingston, Jamaica - a permanently distressed soul who also lives his life in a drug-fuelled haze.

Last year at a Test in his home town, police had to quieten him down as he bellowed hysterically from the grandstand, laughing one minute and crying the next.

"Richard has been in and out of therapy about five times . . . we don't hold much hope for him," said one local official.

The same official last week, driving down the streets of Jamaica when he took a wrong turn into a dark alley, saw to his surprise another rebel - batsman Herbert Chang - standing listlessly in the middle of the road.

He wound down his window and a clearly substance-affected Chang put his head into the car, moved to within a few centimetres of the official's face and said,"man, man, man, I just, I just wanna know which I end I bowl from tomorrow."

Nine members of the squad have sought refuge in other countries and some have fared much better as a consequence. Collis King has moved to England, Colin Croft to America, then Trinidad.

Another to move on was wonder batsman Lawrence Rowe, a man who so impressed Sir Vivian Richards that he spray-painted Rowe's name on his back fence as a child.

Once considered a national treasure of Jamaica, Rowe was reduced to sneaking into a private bar at the ground in Kingston to watch Sabina Park Tests and eventually fled to Miami, Florida, to start a small business.

The day after Bob Woolmer died he made a surprise appearance at Jamaica's Pegasus Hotel.

The rebel tourists were immediately banned for life and, though in 1989 Commonwealth heads decided to repeal the ban, their careers were all but gone.

Tales of their tour did not impress locals. Croft was kicked off a whites-only train in South Africa and organisers obtained the team access to all white areas only by giving them status as "honorary whites".

Michael Holding, a bitter opponent of the tour, said "I didn't like that at all because the assumption is it was a dishonor to be black."

The tours short-circuited some potentially outstanding careers.

Outstanding allrounder Franklyn Stephenson, so talented a sportsman that at age 48 he works as a golf professional and plays off scratch at one of Barbados' leading golf clubs, never played a Test match and spent the last 10 years waiting to be invited back into the local system until a change of heart in recent months.

Stephenson yesterday declared "I have no regrets".

"People were breaking into houses to steal tickets for our matches and I felt we started the change of thinking (in South Africa) that we (black sportsmen) were a lower form of animal," Stephenson said.

"I still feel officials should aplogise for banning us and I don't believe West Indies cricket has ever recovered from it. They have been crap ever since."

Every tour match was a sell-out and they played excellent cricket to draw the first Test series one-all though they lost the one-dayers 4-2 and won the second Test series 2-1 and the one-dayers 4-2.

Another wasted talent was Sylvester Clarke, whom Steve Waugh rated the fastest bowler he had faced and who once bowled to Waugh in county cricket without a man in front of square.

He played just 11 Tests and returned to work as a carpenter but collapsed and died at his home in 1999.

At least his suffering has ended. For several others it will continue until the day they join him.

General Discussion / Re: Rumshop politics
« on: January 31, 2011, 11:18:51 AM »
steups!!  We have ppl from the rum shop running the place now and no, dey eh no better than Manning.....

Which to me is the real issue, there is no credible party to lead.

Entertainment & Culture Discussion / Re: Trinidad folklore/Fairy Tales
« on: December 11, 2010, 05:52:58 PM »
Folklore & Legends of Trinidad and Tobago by Gerard Besson

Salt and roti: Indian folk tales of the Caribbean by Kenneth Vidia Parmasad

Bought the first one during my last visit home, was hoping for more tales not a history lesson. Is the second any good.

Entertainment & Culture Discussion / Trinidad folklore/Fairy Tales
« on: December 10, 2010, 08:42:45 AM »
Does anyone know of a good collection of Folklore from backhome? I am looking for one as a Christmas gift.
Suggestions are welcomed and appreciated.

Thanks and Happy Holidays to all.

General Discussion / Re: THE OFFICIAL BABES THREAD
« on: October 31, 2010, 09:35:35 AM »


Entertainment & Culture Discussion / Re: Arrow Dead
« on: September 16, 2010, 08:07:51 AM »

General Discussion / Re: Remember When we was Patriotic
« on: August 31, 2010, 05:45:25 PM »
All I can do is speak for myself. Today I went to the office with my warriors impossible is notthing shirt a far cry from what is acceptable. When asked what was up with the footlocker uniform I replied it was Independence day and most people said congrats and that was that.

General Discussion / Re: ELECTION NITE
« on: July 28, 2010, 07:05:48 PM »
yes the  'n word', not directed to me but to the security guard by a FEW of the caroni workers
had to see if trini know c***n, and calling someone a boy does not have the same connotations from a trini.
BTW, indo trinis are also at d receivng end of racial comments by afro trinis yes
Reading some of these posts you would think that this was not true. 

General Discussion / Re: ELECTION NITE
« on: July 28, 2010, 06:46:59 PM »
( i didnt know using a pronoun was considered racist now  ::))
Forgive the old heads, they forget all they language arts lesson.
but ah cud tell yuh dis, anybody call me n****r, go get fork up. me eh care who u is.

out of curiousity no n word, but still racial slurs?

General Discussion / Re: ELECTION NITE
« on: July 28, 2010, 06:22:07 PM »

EXTREMELY RAMPANT WHEN U LIVE CENTRAL. U know y peeps say crapaud go smoke dey pipe is because of d way d UNC peeps does get on when dey in power. Like now where evry contract worker scared because all ah we is agent of d PNM and get we job because of nepotism. I eh scared because I apply and was interview 4 d wuk I have.

But this statement about central is just as one sided as what you accused them off.  As a central man I would never say it is we time now.  Not that I excuse their behavior, maybe like many other they simply lack tact.   

General Discussion / Re: Jihad in Trinidad and Tobago, July 27, 1990
« on: July 28, 2010, 08:55:05 AM »
TT coup: 20 years on
Abu Bakr called for public support for his attempted coup d'etat 
On the evening of 27 July 1990, 114 members of the islamic grouping, the Jamaat-al-Muslimeen took over the country's parliament during a sitting of the House of Representatives.
Jamaat leader Yasin Abu Bakr led some of his men and also took over the then only state TV station, Trinidad and Tobago Television (TTT).

Trinidad and Tobago's security forces cordoned off the areas around the Trinidad parliament (the Red House) and TTT.

Abu Bakr broadcast several transmissions to the Trinidad and Tobago public saying he had overthrown the government and asking for public support.

In the early hours of 28 July, the armed forces cut off transmissions from TTT. A state of emergency was imposed in Trinidad and Tobago and a five-day hostage crisis then ensued.

At the Red House, one of the hostages, Prime Minister ANR Robinson announced that an amnesty had been negotiated with the Muslimeen and a series of visits by go-betweens from the country's church leaders took place.

The surrender of the Jamaat-al-Muslimeen insurrectionists and the release of their hostages brought an end to six of the bloddiest days in Trinidad's history.

24 people were dead, many injured, and hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of damage done to looted and damaged buildings and shops in the capital Port of Spain.

BBC Caribbean will be charting the personal stories of the key players in the events of 1990 and memories of those caught on the front line during the crisis.

Abu Bakr interview. This man still makes my skin crawl to this day, so full of himself.

I have watched movies on megaupload, so maybe you should poke around there.

General Discussion / Re: How to hang Jack
« on: July 18, 2010, 07:15:05 PM »
simple, hi lo hang jack king tuh go.   sorry trini, ah couldn't resist. ;D

I come in here looking for some all fours talk.

Entertainment & Culture Discussion / Re: Photo of the day
« on: July 14, 2010, 12:08:25 PM »
again excellen work Prematie Bheem. The pic of the pic with the three boys on the palm tree look like something out of my republic reader.

2010 World Cup - South Africa / Re: Goal of the Tournament
« on: July 13, 2010, 02:22:51 PM »
d firecracker from the Van Bronckhorst !


But I hoping they give it to Suarez.  :devil:

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