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Football / Re: The Hex
« on: June 09, 2008, 11:08:32 AM »

Group 1 (USA, T&T, Cuba, Guatemala)
Synopsis

USA wins the group hands down, while Guatemala and T&T battle it out for the second spot.  I expect both T&T and Guatemala to win their head to head home fixture, but in teh end it will come down to who score more goals. Playing in central america is never an easy task for caribbean sides, so the odds favor Guatemala scoring heavily on both T&T and CUBA in The Mateo Flores. If goal difference comes into play between T&T and Guatemala, then this might be where Guatemala edges out T&T. Of course, cuba could spoil the party for either of both teams.
My final picks
USA, Guatemala

It always amazes me how you does come up on this website and consitently be-little the soca warriors...you should study how the Reggae Britz should beging to formulate a plan for WC 2014 considering that group their in...


So you agree with my assesment of the groups or not bro? I "be-littled" my own side too...I have us finishing outside the top 4 in the Hex, hence missing the world cup.  What are your thoughts by the way, do u have something legitimate to contribute to this discussion, or are you more concerned about crying for my support of ur team?



That's a fair assessment of our group RF....given the present state of our team I think we will do well to make it out of the group.
I would really like to see us get a win over the US but that looks like a pipe dream...We trinis like to think there is some  rivalry between the USA and T&T, but the reality is that's a myth...there is no rivalry...US always wins hands down, and I can't imagine that changing anytime soon...
Guatemala is a team that always gives us problems, and after we knocked them out of contention for Germany '06  I think they will try hard to show us the true meaning of the phrase "score to settle".
Cuba could be the dark-horse coming up on the side , but that all depends on which Cuban team shows up.....nevertheless they should not be underestimated.

I'm hopeful we'll be the team following the USA into the Hex, but we'll have to dig real deep to pull that off.


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Football / Re: USA to Face Argentina in New York
« on: June 09, 2008, 09:31:11 AM »
thank god for broadband, no way i could see all these games with shit flow

So Die Hard, was Sports Max not showing the game in Trini or was it blocked or something??...that sucks if it's so..
I'm in Tobago and watched the game live on sports max....but then again it's not Flow that running the show over here.

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Football / Re: Euro 2008 - Austria v Croatia June 8
« on: June 08, 2008, 03:45:34 PM »
Aight...I just dug this up from way back when...
We went with a pretty good squad...never predicted we would get 4!
but Looking back at the video I'd like to think that Jan Michael Williams came a long way since then...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4LnsENgG9I

Soca Warriors Squad:

Goalkeepers:
Jan Michael Williams (W Connection), Marvin Phillip (Starworld Strikers)

Defenders:
Atiba Charles (Glenavon FC), Cyd Gray (San Juan Jabloteh), Dennis Lawrence (Swansea City), Nigel Daniel (San Juan Jabloteh).

Midfielders:
Andrei Pacheco (W Connection), Aurtis Whitley (San Juan Jabloteh), Carlos Edwards (Luton Town), Collin Samuel (Dundee United), Christopher Birchall (Coventry City), Densill Theobald (Caledonia AIA Fire), Kerry Baptiste (San Juan Jabloteh).

Forwards:
Andre Toussaint (W Connection), Jason Scotland (St Johnstone), Stern John (Coventry City), Scott Sealy (Kansas City Wizards).

Austria Squad:

Goalkeepers:
Alex Manninger (Sienna), Andreas Schranz (GAK), Helge Payer (Rapid Vienna).

Defenders:
Ferdinand Feldhofer (Wacker Tirol), Christian Fuchs (Mattersburg), Johannes Ertl (Austria Vienna), Joachim Standfest (GAK), Martin Stranzl (Spartak Moscow), Martin Hiden (Rapid Vienna).

Midfielders:
Andreas Ivanschitz (Panathinaikos), Christoph Leitgeb (Sturm Graz), Gyorgy Garics (Napoli), Juergen Salmutter (Sturm Graz), Rene Aufhauser (Salzburg), Yuksel Sariyar (Pasching), Zlatko Junozovic (GAK).

Forwards:
Muhammet Akagunduz (Kayserispor), Roland Linz (Boavista), Sanel Kuljic (Sion).

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Football / Re: Euro 2008 - Austria v Croatia June 8
« on: June 08, 2008, 03:20:00 PM »
Hard luck to  Austria....them fellas played with alot of heart!

Anybody knows if this is the same Austria team that gave us  a 4- 1 thrashing in 2006??

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Football / Re: Thread for the T&T v Jamaica Game (07-Jun-2008).
« on: June 04, 2008, 05:56:25 PM »
Just heard on the news that Stern John is ruled out of saturday's game  with a hamstring injury   :o

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Football / Re: Thread for the T&T vs Jamaica Game (26-Mar-2008).
« on: March 26, 2008, 04:16:17 PM »
Was listening to the west Indies game on vibe ct 105 FM today....they say they will be bringing the T&T vs Jamaica game live from 8pm....so atleast that was some good news...God help the west indies!

Go warriors!!

http://www.jumptv.com/en/channel/thevibect105fm/

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Football / Fox soccer channel on the web
« on: February 16, 2007, 10:34:15 AM »
http://www.cammap.net/tvlive/livetven.html

Use the pull down menus to choose "Sport" & "Fox Soccer Channel"

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General Discussion / Re: Tings ya mudda warned ya about
« on: November 17, 2006, 07:09:22 PM »
3) If you swallow chewing gum it will get wrapped up around yuh navel...

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General Discussion / Students sharing sex clips through 'Bluetooth'
« on: November 17, 2006, 06:54:53 PM »
Students sharing sex clips through 'Bluetooth'
Friday, November 17th 2006
Source: www.thetobagonews.com

The latest "Bluetooth" cell phone technology is being utilised to share graphic sex clips featuring young secondary school students in their uniforms.

In one clip entitled "bad thing 3" a female student is seen perched on a bench with her school uniform skirt lifted above her hips. She actively participates in guiding a male student also in uniform and in a standing position, into her lower region. The hot sex action takes place in a classroom of the school.

In yet another eye-popping display entitled "Nasty K W," a young female student in uniform but with her underwear removed, spreads her legs to shamelessly expose her heavy, over-sized vaginal region. She then unbuttons her blouse, lifts her vest and unhooks her bra to reveal her firm, pubescent breasts with a naughty smile on her face.

The sex clips have been making the rounds in several Tobago House of Assembly (THA) work sites as eager male viewers lap up the hot sex lessons of the under-age students.

One parent told Tobago News that the shameless sex acts of the students show that all was not well in the schools of Tobago. "Imagine you send your children to school and this is what they are doing in the classroom," cried the parent. "No wonder our children are not performing when compared with their Trinidad counterparts," the parent reasoned.

Another source revealed that the parents of one of the girls in the sex clip when confronted admitted to having knowledge of the sordid extra-curricula activities. "When we questioned her about it she told us that it was done by an ex-boyfriend, who because she broke off the relationship began spreading it," the parent reportedly explained.

When Tobago News contacted newly appointed Secretary of Education Claudia Groome-Duke about this latest development, she expressed shock and promised to launch an investigation into the matter. "I have begun a process of visits to all schools to get a first hand knowledge of what's taking place out there,' she said.

Recent reports suggest that Tobago schools were rated either last or second to last among the educational districts of the nation. There were also no Tobago students in this year's national scholarship awards list.


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This was a very disturbing read.....but doesn't the journalist who wrote this article sound like a kinda  pervert??...."In yet another eye-popping display entitled "Nasty K W," a young female student in uniform but with her underwear removed, spreads her legs to shamelessly expose her heavy, over-sized vaginal region. She then unbuttons her blouse, lifts her vest and unhooks her bra to reveal her firm, pubescent breasts with a naughty smile on her face."..........bloody hell!!

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General Discussion / Re: SMOOTH - This year`s hundred hottest honeys
« on: October 27, 2006, 01:50:55 AM »
No offence to these girls...they are gorgeous and everything....but walking the streets of London everyday,and  walking through the malls back home in Trini, I see loads of girls who could easily make it unto that list!....absolutely stunning , sexy women.....the nurses, the teachers, the secretary in the office....muh bredrin sister....all beautiful women! Big up to all the girls out there who'll never see their names in stars and lights, or ever be on the cover of a magazine....these celebrities ain't got nothin on allyuh!

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Football / Re: Perspectives and a dose of reality
« on: June 16, 2006, 05:27:17 AM »

3.  Those who calling for Latapy couldn´t be serious, we could not afford him in those 2 games, he is a defensive liab. and those games were about defending.  If we had attempted to attack either of those teams we would have been ripped to shreds.  Panama game a must win where we have to play to win is possibly a venue for him.



Good post pardna......but I really wish it was Panama we playing next tuesday!! ;) ;)

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Football / Re: Dog Injured????
« on: June 09, 2006, 07:25:08 AM »
Taken from www.socawarriorstt.com

NO MORE DREAMING... REALITY TIME IS UPON US - UPDATE ON ANDREWS

Update: The Team will travel to Dortmund today with Marvin Andrews but the Glasgow Rangers defender remains uncertain after breaking down in training on Thursday with a twisted knee and an MRI scan has determined that he has strained a ligament on the same bad knee. His knee buckled during a scrimmage affair and he was forced to leave the field and head to the local hopsital. He has been ruled out of Saturday's opening match against Sweden and faces a fight for the England game.Trinidad and Tobago’s Soca Warriors will depart Rotenburg for Dortmund via bus at 4am T&T Time (10am German time)  on the eve of their official first ever World Cup encounter against Sweden.

 


 


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Jokes / Family dinner
« on: May 12, 2006, 07:17:29 AM »
A yanky man and his  new trini fiance went down to Trinidad to meet the  girl's parents for the first time. On the way from the airport, the yanky man was  eager to taste a doubles after hearing his girlfriend go on and on about Trini cuisine...so the taxi-man stopped by a doubles vendor and they had a couple.

Later on, the guy is introduced to the girls parents and they sit down at the dining table to have a nice Trini dinner....and like he always does when de family eating, the family pompek dog named Spot snuggles up under de table ......everything going sweet....de man likes the parents, de parents like de man....things nice....All of a sudden, Yanky man get a strange feeling in he belly...he need to fart bad bad....de man start to sweat and worry bout what he go do...if he fart at the table it eh go look good..." f**k me!! it must be those doubles working me over," he thought, "what ever am I gonna do??"
Then he had it, " If I fart now, they might think it was  little Spot under the table and not me....it's so crazy it just might work!"
So yanky man set out to test his hypothesis....de man let out a litte bit of fart first...."BRAPP!!"....de whole table gone silent....the parents look at each other in astonishment and embarresment...then the sweet mom smiles, raises up the table cloth and looks under the table....." Spot", she says sweetly yet sternly....then they resume de meal.
Yanky man is amazed...he cyah  belive dis working....so he let out a bigger fart....BRAAAAAP!!!...
De table gone quiet again, de parents watch each other and den smile nervously at de man.....Mom raise up the table cloth again and this time is more pissed off...." Spot...Spot...I'm warning you!!"
They resume de meal.
Yanky man cyar belive it!! " I am a f**king genious !!" he thinks proudly to himself, " trinidadian people must really be idiots!!"
So he decides his plan is working and this time he confidently lets it all rip out....BRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAPPPP!!!!!!!....BRAAP!!! BRAP!
De mother had enough,.. she throws up the table cloth and yellls, " GOOD DAM IT YOU f**kING DOG.!!....GET OUT AH DERE BEFORE DAT YANKY MAN SHIT ON YUH!!!!!!!!!"

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2006 World Cup - Germany / Re: In Germany...tickets or no tickets!
« on: December 19, 2005, 06:53:03 AM »
I'm with you man!! Tickets or no tickets, I in Germany!!
Count me in too !!

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Football / Re: Blackpool's Murphy hopes for T&T try out
« on: December 14, 2005, 01:35:42 PM »
The mail was sent on December 9 and it appears that Murphy only found out the link to T&T through his mother after the news broke that England would be facing the "Soca Warriors.


Like dis man just born yesterday!?!?!  How de ass you jest find out where yuh mother born??

Anyways...goodluck to you man..

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Football / Yorke shuns World Cup party
« on: November 17, 2005, 02:01:55 PM »
Yorke shuns W/Cup party

EHero shuns party for date with Sydney

WORLD Cup hero Dwight Yorke has turned down the rum cocktails of the biggest party his home nation Trinidad and Tobago has ever had to haul himself back to Sydney for the bread-and-butter of the next A-League round.
Yorke set up the winning goal with his corner kick as Trinidad beat Bahrain 1-0 away to become the least-populated nation to qualify for the 2006 World Cup finals in Germany.

Trinidad's Prime Minister Patrick Manning offered to fly the captain home to help the country celebrate its maiden World Cup berth in style.

But a Sydney FC spokesman confirmed that Yorke had declined and was on his way back to Australia. His prompt return means Sydney FC coach Pierre Littbarski will be able to unleash the most decorated international strikeforce in Australian club soccer history during Saturday's crunch clash with Perth Glory.

Former Manchester United star Yorke and Japanese great Kazuyoshi "Kazu" Miura will both appear for the league leader at Aussie Stadium.

Together, they have played in more than 100 internationals and have won everything from European club titles to Asian player of the year awards. While Littbarski stressed Yorke would not play a full game, the coach hinted both he and Miura could start against an in-form Glory.
 
 
 
 

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Football / Re: who will win wednesday?
« on: November 13, 2005, 10:52:26 AM »
IT IS GOING TO HAPPEN WE WILL WIN NO MATTER WAT 1-1 PENALTIES

2-1 WE WIN

2-2 WE WIN

1-0 WE WIN

NO WAY BAHRAIN SCORING MORE THAN ONE GOAL ON WE DEFENSE D SIDE DAT AINT WIN A GAME SINCE MAY AINT BEATIN WE

Wouldn't any kind of draw above 0-0 produce extratime ?

Nah man...as long as we draw more than 1-1, we going thru on away-goal rule...say is 2-2..we have 2 way goals and 1 home goal....Bah have only one way goal and 2 home goal...so we gone clear..

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Football / Re: The Spot in London for the Game
« on: November 08, 2005, 10:21:17 AM »
ROLE CALL TIME!!!

Ah just call 3 kings and the man said that the British High Commission is organizing a lime at the famous Three Kings in London

http://www.viewpub.co.uk/info_pubbar_4939.html

He said that there will be a steel band side
Cover Charge is : 5£
Assemble time : 8PM

London Posse hands up if we going deh!!!

Socarandy

Yuh mean the Trini High Commision???...

I will be there X3

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Football / Re: Kenwyne Jones to join Warriors after all.
« on: November 06, 2005, 05:58:24 AM »
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damn they are smart, a private jet directly after the match, I gues it still needs to go over London ?
When does T&T depart to Bahrain ? I think it would have been best to depart right after the match too and let them sleep long and nice in the plane. anyone knows what they do ?
The later they arive in Doha the worse I think


The Warriors and their 200 fans leave Trinidad 4 hours after the game on charter flight.......so they might be there in time to welcome the Bahrainis back to dey own house!!

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Football / Re: What Team have we never beaten?
« on: November 03, 2005, 01:37:45 PM »
   Yes Point man you have definitely made your point!! Good one, yes that was in 2000, and we went on to lose to Canada 1-0, when Nakhid pull a Nakhid and talk more than kick when he kick the lame penalty yes yes!! I remember now, I was actually in Canada and saw that lose. Yes in that tournament we had also previously beaten Guatemala 4-2 before beating CR.

Thanks for that memory.

J.

Den to make shit worse, Canada went on to win dat tournament!!!

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Football / Re: World Cup ticket rip-off...
« on: November 03, 2005, 07:48:26 AM »
Yo Richard G......
I see you are a Bishop's man! It's a small world man....so am I....class of 96...
I think I might vaguely remember you....you were the GK for team for a while , yeah??

Anyways man...I here in England , far removed from any semblence of Tobago life .....good to see it have some fellow BHS guyz on here..

later

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Football / Re: TT vs Bahrain Coverage in Britain or Net ?.........
« on: November 02, 2005, 02:06:23 PM »
Aight....now that we know where de game showing , can someone tell me where most of allyuh going to watch it??  I don't want to be de only trini man in a bar surrounded by bare Arab man....

thanx

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Football / Re: T&T new Kit...
« on: November 02, 2005, 02:03:33 PM »
Some body posted earlier that Ato Boldon (officail adidas sponsered athlete) told him that some Adidas rep. tell him the team getting some wicked adidas kits soon....
me en know how true

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Football / Re: TT vs Bahrain Coverage in Britain or Net ?.........
« on: October 31, 2005, 07:27:16 AM »
I definitely go be there!!.....I'll make the 3.5 hour, £30 coach trip from Dorset just to support de fellas!!
I'll  try to rope in some other trinis and jamaicans too..


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Football / Peter Goldstein match preview
« on: October 29, 2005, 12:25:29 PM »
Preview: CONCACAF v Asia play-off.
By Peter Goldstein.


    One of the best things about the World Cup is that it brings together far-flung countries with few other connections. On the day before Trinidad & Tobago qualified for the playoff, I googled “Bahrain and Trinidad & Tobago” and “Trinidad & Tobago and Bahrain,” and got only about 300 hits for both searches combined. Talk about worlds apart. On the one hand, Islam, multinational business, and Formula One racing; on the other, Christianity, carnival, and cricket. Nobody mentions Bahrain and T&T in the same breath, except a few international economists, a climatologist or two, a sprinkling of diplomats--and several hundred million football fans.

    You’d be surprised, though, to find out how much the countries have in common. They’re close in size: by latest estimates, Bahrain has roughly 700,000 people, Trinidad & Tobago 1.1 million. Both are island groups, in each case with one large island dominant. Although T&T has a substantial rainy season and Bahrain has none, both have consistently hot and humid climates. Both have a substantial oil industry. Both were attached to the UK, Trinidad & Tobago as a colony and Bahrain as a protectorate. They received their independence within 10 years of each other. English remains an important language in Bahrain, and is the official language of Trinidad & Tobago.

    When it comes to footballing history, the countries diverge a bit. Bahrain is a real newcomer at this level. Until recently they were a mid-table Gulf team without much distinction. In 1998, for example, they finished last in their first-round WCQ group, behind the UAE and Jordan. But in the 2002 qualifiers, they upset Kuwait in the first round, then finished a respectable third in their second-round group, behind Saudi Arabia and Iran. In 2004 came their great accomplishment, fourth place in the Asian Championship. That same year they had their best-ever Gulf Cup, finishing just behind Saudi Arabia. And now once again they find themselves just below the top level of Asian competition.

    Trinidad & Tobago, on the other hand, has some pedigree. From 1989 through 2001, they won 8 out of 11 Caribbean Cups. They came achingly close to qualifying for the 1990 World Cup, missing out on a last-day home loss to the USA. And all the way back in 1974, when only one CONCACAF team qualified, they finished second to host Haiti in the final group, eliminating no less than Mexico with a famous 4:0 victory.

    The teams come to the playoff on dissimilar tracks. A year ago, T&T were an embarrassment: players were publicly apologizing even after victories, and only a ridiculously easy draw got them into the final Hexagonal. Three games later, they had one draw, two losses, and not much hope--whereupon they replaced Bertille St. Clair with Dutch master Leo Beenhakker, and the team was transformed overnight. Three more games later they got the missing piece, the return of 37-year-old playmaker Russell Latapy. With Beenhakker making the decisions and Latapy pulling the strings, they won three of their last four games, including a final-round upset of Mexico, and zipped past Guatemala into fourth place.

    On the other hand, Bahrain has been no better than stagnant lately. After the great 2004 performances much was expected, and in that same year they easily topped Syria in their first-round qualifying group. But in the second round they were a major disappointment, finishing a very distant third to Japan and Iran, advancing despite a record of 1 win, 1 draw, and 4 losses. They might not be here at all were it not for the absurd FIFA decision to take away Uzbekistan’s win in the Asian playoff opener. Even then Bahrain only advanced on away goals. And here’s a stat for you: Bahrain has somehow managed to get one step from the World Cup without winning any of their last six games. If they pull the same two-draws-go-through-on-away-goals trick on T&T, they’ll be in the World Cup on an eight-game winless streak--a record I suspect will never be broken.

    Tactically the teams offer an intriguing contrast. T&T is a deliberate team, best at the slow buildup; Bahrain is a fast team that likes to counterattack. Goals should be very hard to come by; in their last 18 games, the teams have scored only 15 goals combined. T&T appears to have settled on a 4-5-1, which takes advantage of attacking midfielders Latapy, Dwight Yorke, and Carlos Edwards. Bahrain usually plays a 3-5-2, with midfielders Hussein Ali Baba and Mohammed Salmeen releasing danger men Talal Yusuf and Ala’a Hubail (if healthy) on the counter.

    In a two-game knockout just about anything can tip the balance, so we won’t pretend to guess where the game will be decided. But with the midfield crowded, and open space at a premium, set pieces could play a large part. T&T, with overall superior strength and height, probably has the advantage there. In open play, T&T will probably have to use a bit of muscle to counter Bahrain’s pace, and a lot should depend on whether strength or quickness wins the midfield 50-50 battles.

    On the basis of club quality, Trinidad & Tobago would appear to have the edge. Their players are mostly UK-based, spread out over the English and Scottish leagues. They also have players with considerable top-level experience: Dwight Yorke is the most familiar name, but keeper Shaka Hislop has logged several seasons in the EPL, defender Marvin Andrews is an SPL veteran, and Russell Latapy has seen championship seasons with Rangers and FC Porto. Bahrain’s players play exclusively in the Gulf, mostly in Qatar and Kuwait.

    One important factor will be the health of Bahrain’s young striker Ala’a Hubail. The sensation of the 2004 Asian Cup, he’s recovering from a serious knee injury. He returned for the first time in eight months with a couple of late-game appearances against Uzbekistan. If he’s fit, that’ll be a crucial weapon for the low-scoring Bahrainis.

    It’s always hard to pick between teams with no history of head-to-head competition. I have no idea who’ll win. But I know who should be the favorite: Trinidad & Tobago. How can I be so sure? Because they’re the fourth-best team in CONCACAF going against the fifth-best team in Asia--and by every measure you care to name, CONCACAF is stronger. This is a hobbyhorse of mine, so I apologize in advance for what’s to come. And I’m a CONCACAF fan, so consider the source. But hopefully the stats will bear me out.

    As you know, Asia has 4½ berths and CONCACAF 3½, which on the surface would suggest that Asia is stronger. But the 4½ for Asia is--to be polite about it--a swindle. In the 1998 World Cup, Asia had a sensible 3½ spots. (A bare 3, like CONCACAF, might have been more fitting, but I won’t press the point.) When FIFA backed itself into a corner and gave Asia two hosts for the 2002 tournament, they had to up the allocation, hence the 4½ for Asia last time around. But in 2006, with exactly zero Asian hosts, FIFA kept the number at 4½. The allocation for 2006 may look the same as that for 2002, but it’s actually an increase. Pure sleight-of-hand.

    The trick is particularly outrageous when you look at Asia’s record in 2002. Japan performed creditably, and South Korea more than that, but both teams had the home advantage, with all that brings. The third and fourth teams, Saudi Arabia and China, were humiliated, with a combined score of 0 wins, 0 draws, 6 losses, GF/GA 0:21. I salute Japan and South Korea, but an increase in berths can only be justified by top-to-bottom quality. When your third and fourth teams are completely non-competitive, you don’t deserve an extra slot.

    By no means am I saying CONCACAF should get more berths. I think 3½ is about right, and a bare 3 would be fair too. And I don’t begrudge Asia their 3 or 3½; every confederation should have a reasonable floor. But for Asia to have more berths than CONCACAF somehow suggests they’re stronger, and they’re not. In fact, they’re noticeably weaker.

    Let’s take the most obvious measure: head-to-head games between teams from the confederations. In World Cup play, the confederation representatives have met 6 times ((H) = home team):

Date     Result                            Winner
1986:    Mexico (H)      1:0 Iraq          CONCACAF
1998:    Mexico          3:1 South Korea   CONCACAF
         Jamaica         2:1 Japan         CONCACAF
         Iran            2:0 USA           Asia
2002:    Costa Rica      2:0 China         CONCACAF
         South Korea (H) 1:1 USA           draw

    Both confederations had home advantage once, so that cancels out. The balance: CONCACAF 4, Asia 1, draws 1.

    To take this further, let’s go to the only other place Asian and CONCACAF teams meet, the Confederations Cup:

Date     Result                                 Winner
1992:    Saudi Arabia (H) 3:0 USA               Asia
1995:    Mexico           4:0 Saudi Arabia (H)  CONCACAF
1997:    Mexico           5:0 Saudi Arabia (H)  CONCACAF
1999:    Mexico (H)       5:1 Saudi Arabia      CONCACAF
         USA              2:0 Saudi Arabia      CONCACAF
2001:    South Korea (H)  2:0 Mexico            Asia
         Japan (H)        3:0 Canada            Asia
2005:    Mexico           2:1 Japan             CONCACAF

    Asia has had home advantage five times, CONCACAF only once, yet CONCACAF still leads here, 5 wins to 3.

    Combine these two sets of results, and you have Asia at home six times, CONCACAF at home only twice, yet CONCACAF significantly ahead, 8 wins to 4. In fact, look closely, and you’ll see that only once has an Asian team defeated a CONCACAF team at a neutral site, whereas CONCACAF teams have defeated Asian teams five times at neutral sites. And it’s not just Mexico. If we count only the neutral site games, we have this:

Date     Result                        Winner
1998:    Mexico     3:1 South Korea    CONCACAF 
         Jamaica    2:1 Japan          CONCACAF
         Iran       2:0 USA            Asia
1999:    USA        2:0 Saudi Arabia   CONCACAF
2002:    Costa Rica 2:0 China          CONCACAF
2005:    Mexico     2:1 Japan          CONCACAF

    Four different CONCACAF sides (Mexico, Jamaica, USA, and Costa Rica) have defeated four different Asian sides (South Korea, Japan, Saudi Arabia, China). That’s a decisive superiority, covering the full range of top teams.

    Let’s look now at the confederations’ recent World Cup history. We’ll start with 1986, the first year in which both confederations had at least two teams who still remain part of those confederations. (New Zealand, from 1982, is now in Oceania.) For our first measurement, let’s leave the home teams out of consideration, and count only the records from the group stage.

1986:    Canada           0-0-3
         Iraq             0-0-3
         South Korea      0-1-2
1990:    USA              0-0-3
         Costa Rica       2-0-1
         UAE              0-0-3
         South Korea      0-0-3
1994:    Mexico           1-1-1
         Saudi Arabia     2-0-1
         South Korea      0-2-1
1998:    Mexico           1-2-0
         USA              0-0-3
         Jamaica          1-0-2
         South Korea      0-1-2
         Saudi Arabia     0-1-2
         Iran             1-0-2
         Japan            0-0-3
2002:    Mexico           2-1-0
         USA              1-1-1
         Costa Rica       1-1-1
         Saudi Arabia     0-0-3
         China            0-0-3

The totals:

CONCACAF:                9-6-15
Asia:                    3-5-28

    No contest. Look particularly at the win and loss figures. CONCACAF is clearly stronger.

    But, you say, we’ve been unfair to Asia by not counting the fine host performances by South Korea and Japan. So let’s include them--but then we also have to include Mexico from 1986 and USA from 1994. Here are the added numbers, still only group stage:

1986:    Mexico           2-1-0
1994:    USA              1-1-1               
2002:    South Korea      2-1-0
         Japan            2-1-0
             
The final group stage totals:

CONCACAF:           12-8-16
Asia:                    7-7-28

    Asia got a positive result in only one-third of their games, with four losses to every win. CONCACAF got a positive result in over half their games, with a win/loss ratio not far from even. Again, no contest.

    Well, shouldn’t we take into account South Korea’s great post-group-stage performance? OK, but statistically it wasn’t that great. In fact, since games won on PK’s are officially only draws, South Korea won only one game, drew one, and lost two (have to include the third-place game too). Anyway, let’s add on the rest of the post-group-stage games since 1986:

1986:    Mexico           1-1-0
1990:    Costa Rica       0-0-1
1994:    Mexico           0-1-0
         USA              0-0-1
         Saudi Arabia     0-0-1
1998:    Mexico           0-0-1
2002:    Mexico           0-0-1
         USA              1-0-1
         South Korea      1-1-2
         Japan            0-0-1
 
Our grand totals:

CONCACAF:   14-10-21
Asia:   8- 8-32

Still a decisive advantage.

    The only possible way you can say Asia has outperformed CONCACAF in the World Cup is that they’ve put a team in the semifinals, and CONCACAF hasn’t. That’s true. But South Korea was host (any bets they would have made it to the semifinal otherwise?), and needed some doubtful refereeing to get there. And one team, one time, at home, hardly says anything about the strength of the confederation as a whole.

    So there you have it. By all available statistical measurements, CONCACAF is stronger than Asia, and by a significant margin. They have a big lead in head-to-head meetings. They have a big lead in World Cup performances. They’re just better.

    To be sure, in 20 years I wouldn’t be at all surprised to see Asia on top. For one thing, they now have Australia. For another, they have much greater potential for expansion. Think of giant nations like China and India, large nations like Indonesia and Thailand, good-sized nations like North Korea and Uzbekistan. Think of the rich Persian Gulf states. Those are the kind of countries that can develop consistent World-Cup-level teams. CONCACAF just doesn’t have the right profile; Canada and Cuba are about the only countries with the population and/or resources for significant improvement. It may not be long before a CONCACAF/Asia playoff favors the Asians.

    But right now we have to go with what we’ve got. The evidence suggests the fourth-best team in CONCACAF is better than the fifth-best team in Asia. Of course, stats can only tell us so much. Bahrain may in fact be better than T&T. For all we know, a Bahrain victory might presage a new order, Asia ascendant. And in 2026, this series might look like the turning point. But here and now, Trinidad and Tobago is the logical pick--not that logic ever had anything to do with results!

http://www.planetworldcup.com/CUPS/2006/concacaf-afc_preview.html

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Football / Re: Thread for the TRI vs CRC game !!!
« on: March 30, 2005, 04:31:57 PM »
Hey Fellas....check out some firts half highlights here:
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