Messages

931

Football / Re: Teenager Jozy Altidore lifts Red Bulls another 16-yearold phenom??

« on: October 01, 2006, 12:30:07 PM »

According to the rumours, Altidor's dad used to play for the Haitian national team. So, you will probably see him playing for Haiti in the future.

Can you imagine a trio of strykers made of Altidor, Exantus, and peterson in the next 2 or 3 years (neither one is yet 19) ? They would be the terror of the Caribbean.

932

Football / Re: JA faces elimination against Haiti on Oct 1st.

« on: September 30, 2006, 06:17:45 AM »

Wow! Jamaica is in big trouble. The boyz will next face Haiti, which is by far the strongest team in the group while SVG will play a demoralized St Lucia to secure a berth into the next round. In order to survive, Jamaica will have to consider one of these two options:

1) Play like they haven't yet done in the competition and beat Haiti by a large margin.
That is not going to be easy considering that Haiti beat that same SVG team 4-0 and crushed St Lucia 7-1 whereas Jamaica only beat St Lucia 4-0 and lost to SVG! However, Jamaica has been very succesful against Haiti in the office. Let's wait and see.

2) Provide psychological assistance to the st lucians and pay Haiti to take it easy    hey, we're neighbours, you know...

933

Football / Re: Concacaf Digicel Cup 2006 in Jamaica - Group D Today

« on: September 29, 2006, 12:24:55 PM »

unfortunately not all good news has come from the CFU Digicel Cup....

Jamaica Football Federation (JFF) condemns robbery of Haitian supporter at CONCACAF Digicel Cup.

Observer Reporter

Friday, September 29, 2006


The Jamaica Football Federation (JFF) has condemned the robbery of a Haitian football supporter at Barbican football field in St Andrew yesterday.


According to the JFF, Haitian supporter Jean Robert Fleurima was reportedly held up at gunpoint by a gunman and robbed of an undetermined sum of money - metres from the Haitian team's training venue - during a session yesterday morning.


Allegations are that the man was robbed of an estimated US$1,000 to US$2,000.


JFF press officer Garth Willaims told the Observer that the Federation denounces the incident, even though the person robbed was neither a player nor official.


"We really regret this sort of incident and condemn it, especially because it has offended one of our visiting neighbours," he said.


"We're trying deal with it right now as the police are on top of things, so hopefully they get to the bottom of the matter and let the visiting Haitians feel a little more secure while they're here.," he added.


Williams said the victim is one of 26 Haitians currently in the Island to support their team in the Digicel Caribbean Cup.

"The Haitian Football Federation requested immigration clearance for 51 persons... however, the JFF is responsible only for 25 (players and official), with the Haitian Federation taking care of the remaining 26 that came in their company," Williams disclosed.


"What happened though was that one of the members of that 26 that we are not responsible for was robbed of an undetermined sum of money and a bag which contained some valuables, while the Haitains were training at the Barbican field," Williams explained.


Haiti, St Lucia, St Vicent and the Grenadines, along with hosts Jamaica, are competing in Group D of the competition which is being staged at the National Stadium. The top two teams will advance to the second round.

Like I told my friends this morning  . All this happening under Boneless Boxhill and his Cowardly Crew of Cronies. Another blemish on his Terrible Termsheet.

Wha Boxhill haffi do with man getting rob?

He sent the 'tief' 

So Jamaica tief we? 

934

Football / Re: CONCACAF confirms new format for 2007 Under-17 Final Round

« on: September 28, 2006, 11:36:29 AM »

keep quiet nuh JA2099 remember you all have to qualify

You're right I should just wait until I see the groups which I suspect will look like this:
   GROUP  A                        GROUP B
   Honduras                         Jamaica
   Mexico                             USA
   Panama                            Costa Rica
   Haiti                                 Guatemala                             
                                          T&T
Put the groups any way you like and tell me which Caribbean team it looks easier for to qualify for the U-17 World Cup.

I wish it looks like this:
Grp A: Jamaica, TnT, Guatemala, Panama, Haiti.
Grp B: The remaining four.

all three caribbean teams in Grp A would have a great chance to qualify.

However, I am certain the group of 5 teams will have these three teams: TnT, Jamaica, and Guatemala. Why? Becasue TnT will most likely get 4pts from the other two teams and that's enough to send TnT to the WC as the 3rd place finisher.

935

Football / Re: Concern over strikers as Boyz gear for DigiCup

« on: September 26, 2006, 01:45:16 PM »

Sorry Jamacia the SOCA WARRIORS have this tournament lock up already.

There's a big difference between what you read in the paper and what happens on the field.
Sorry to tell you but our local-based REGGAE BOYZ WILL retain the Digicel Cup. 

exactly how will that happen? 

and are you referring to the JA team that received 6 of the very best from England

or the JA team that received 4 from Ghana

maybe you're talking about the team that got 5 from Australia.

I'm talking about the same local-based REGGAE BOYZ that beat T&T 2-1 in the Digicel Cup last year. The same team that did not play Australia, Ghana or England.

ohhh, that team, well we relish the opportunity to play you again...if you make it far enough in the tourny to play us.

BTW... do you think that local team would have fared better against Eng, Ghana and AUS?

We will never know now. Will we? But come next year in the final round the opportunity will present itself again. If Cuba is not in your group.

well lets just first see how your locals fare against Haiti shall we.

When was the last time Haiti beat Jamaica in THE OFFICE ?

That danm office! Does Warner have Jamaican blood? It seems to me we always have to play Jamaica and the cousins in their own backyards.

936

Football / Re: Warren Archibald

« on: September 20, 2006, 09:55:08 AM »

Absolutely!! he did play professionally( I believe here in the US...calling Tallman). He had as much skill if not more than our current players and he had incredible pace with the ball on his feet. The EPL wouldna know what to do with him. He didn't play with his back to the goal, he would run right at defenders and leave dem out. Let Coops enlightening yuh some more. Coops actually played against him.

Yes, he played in de NASL for 9 seasons with Rochester Lancers, Miami Toros, Washington Darts and New York Generals. He was the MVP in de NASL in 1973 and made the All-League First team that year. He  (along with Steve David) is also listed as an honourable mention for the All Time NASL MVP. In 1970, 1971 and 1974 he made the NASL All-League Second teams.

He is 25^th (Leroy DeLeon is number 26) on the NASL's top all-time goalscorers list with 58 goals in 162 games. He is 48^th on the NASL's top all-time assist leaders with 39 assists.

Thank you Tallman

I forgot to add that he also played in Mexico (Club San Luis) and Haiti (Victory).

Oops! I was going to keep that piece of info to myself. Growing up as a kid, I saw the guy scored several times against my favorite team, Violette AC. The guy was just as popular as Emmanuel Sanon in Haiti and he was not considered a foreigner.

937

Football / Re: Warren Archibald

« on: September 12, 2006, 11:28:27 AM »

Every single thing your friend said about Archibald is true. In Haiti, we believe that he was the greatest football player from Trinidad. He also distinguished himself in what was back then the US major league. I was quite surprised to find out that the present trini generation knows almost nothing about the guy.

Archibald was pretty much like Hugo Sanchez, one who would always find a way to score (even with his hands!). We even had a carnival song that said : 'Archibald, look what you did to Mexico / Mexicans will stop bragging...'

I am glad your friend told you how Haitians in general feel about that great former footballer and how the TnT national team is viewed in Haiti.

938

Football / Re: T&T a Regional Power ?

« on: September 06, 2006, 01:45:13 PM »

What do you think ?

Winnepeg fury....are you sucking up?  

What would make yo uthink T&T are a regional power? Just curious. And how would you rank your own country in terms of CONCACAF? Costa Rica has consistenly qualifiefd for the world cup, at both youth and senior level. Their clubs have won CONCACAF titles...if anything, they should belong to that list of "regional powers" Outside of those three, I'd say Honduras, Jamaica, Trinidad, and Canada have a very long way to go before they could start seeing themselves as regional powers...

Before you can call yourself a powerhoue of CONCACAF, you must win the CONCACAF gold Cup..and consistently feature in the top three placings. I believe only the USA, Canada and Mexico have managed to win it so far, Costa Rica I bleieve have been to the finals. Outside of that, I know Jamaica finshed third on two occasions. Not sure abou the other teams.

Something tells me men here will throw rocks at me  

Nah RF.. you talk some sense...EXCEPT...you real suck up to Canada. Canada is no regional power. They did win a Gold Cup but they have not qualified for a WC since 1986 and do not feature regularly in the HEX WC qualifying round. Their youth success is undoubted and Canadian women's soccer is a Power in the region. But I assume we are looking at senior men's national football and Canada, despite having some very talented players, has not achieved the success they should. I have a feeling that is all about to change, but they need to get the results first. The only true regional powers are USA and Mexico. Costa Rica is the next best team in recent Concacaf history but a distant third.

In the Caribbean region T&T and Jamaica are the regional powers on paper. T&T has far more caribbean titles, but Jamaica has a better head to head in recent years..we have not beaten JA in 5 years at senior level. Both have made it to the semifinals of the Gold Cup once, both have qualified for the WC once. JA has some bragging rights as current caribbean champs and better head to head as mentioned. T&T has some bragging rights after being the most recent WC qualifier. In reality however, neither T&T nor Jamaica are better than Haiti or Cuba. It really depends where the games are played and who is better prepared.

Filho, posts like this I only expect them to come from a few guys in this forum; until now, I did not see you as one of those true football fans. Congrats.

939

Football / Re: U19 Caribbean Zone competition

« on: September 01, 2006, 02:31:31 PM »

Second Round of Caribbean Zone

Group F
Trinidad & Tobago (host)
Dominican Republic (group B winner)
St. Kitts & Nevis (group C winner)
St. Vincent & The Grenadines (group D winner)

Group G
Jamaica (host)
Haiti
Bermuda (group A winner)
Netherlands Antilles (group E winner)

Top 3 qualify for 2007 CONCACAF Under-20 Final Round
The winner of each group automatically qualifies and the second place teams will prolly playoff for the third and final spot. Remember Soca Warrior fans, DR knocked off Cuba in their group and the fact that their federation has announced that they will try to use their current U19 team to build off of in order to reach world cup 2014 makes it look like they will be gunning for u guys. Any thoughts or comments?

True, they beat Cuba and I believe they either drew Haiti or lost just 0-1. However, they mostly play at home. Their success may not be an indication of their real strenght. Anyway, one of their players (Fana?) is very good.

940

Football / Re: Whey de Touches and Andre Samuel Match Reports???

« on: August 27, 2006, 10:02:33 AM »

i wudnt doubt it RF  dat Trini team terrible.... 

Heh eh. You concede defeat so early? Actually, its not that the T&T team is terrible. You are the king of the roost in the southern Caribbean...but when it comes to the bigger boyz up north, Jamaica, Cuba and Haiti set the standard in regional football.....those are the teams you have to judge yourself against, and not Barbados and Aruba...The days of you thinking that you will automatically defeat a Jamaica or a Haiti aor Cuba at any level are long gone.

How have Haiti, Cuba and Jamaica the set the standard for football for regional football? RF, don't lose it! None of you even made it into the last 6 in Concacaf.

What? i dont get that! What you mean "none of you even made it into the last 6 in CONCACAF?" If you are judging the teams by how well they did in the last world cup qualifying series, then go ahead. Cuba I think Tied Costa Rica in Costa Rica, while you were being given a run by st. Vincent in St. Vincent....

Cuba has consistently beaten T&T over the years, and now I see the same kind of trend emerging with haiti too.

I'm not saying T&T is not to be counted among the big boys in teh caribbean, obviously you do...what im saying here is that you cant use Barbados and St. Kitts to measure how good you are...Jamaica, haiti and Cuba are the best measuring stick for you.

When was the last time Cuba or Haiti made it into the last 6? T&T are JA are the 2 best teams in the Caribbean. And right now T&T is better than JA. JA couldn't even beat Panama  in a WCQ. I don't know what you are trying to prove by saying Cuba and Haiti are better than us.

Haiti beat TnT 3 times in its last 3 matches in 3 different levels, and all 3 times in Trinidad! Cuba beat TnT in Barbados not too long ago. See? Thruth is there are 4 fairly good caribbean teams and neither one is 'way better' than the others.

941

Football / Re: Whey de Touches and Andre Samuel Match Reports???

« on: August 27, 2006, 09:31:28 AM »

Some of you are getting defensive for no reason. All what I said is true. You can't determine the strenght of your rivals if you don't meet them in different settings. For example, TnT just lost 2-0 to Japan in Japan. Does that mean the Japanese are better than TnT? You can't tell unless TnT play Japan in Trinidad. That's my point.

I am not an expert in TnT football. I am just a football fan interested in Caribbean football.

942

Football / Re: Whey de Touches and Andre Samuel Match Reports???

« on: August 27, 2006, 07:29:35 AM »

i wudnt doubt it RF  dat Trini team terrible.... 

Heh eh. You concede defeat so early? Actually, its not that the T&T team is terrible. You are the king of the roost in the southern Caribbean...but when it comes to the bigger boyz up north, Jamaica, Cuba and Haiti set the standard in regional football.....those are the teams you have to judge yourself against, and not Barbados and Aruba...The days of you thinking that you will automatically defeat a Jamaica or a Haiti aor Cuba at any level are long gone.

Very true. TnT lost their last encounters with each one of those three teams. TnT belong to the league of the giants in the Caribbean, not the minnows. Unfortunately, TnT usually play their caribbean counterparts at home, which gives them the edge and with that the false impression that they are way better than the other teams in the region. How can you evaluate your opponents if you are avoiding them as much as you can? TnT need to play Haiti, Jamaica, Cuba, and Central American teams in friendlies as well as important regional competitions whether as host or visitor instead of wasting time playing minnows all the time.

943

Football / Re: Haitians too hot to handle.

« on: August 26, 2006, 03:32:22 PM »

Palos, I am very well aware of that. Many Haitians would concede that the referees were not FAIR to TnT. But, many people in TnT took that event out of context to fool the younger generations that their team won the 1973 Hex in Port-au-Prince. Here are some facts about 1973.

1- TnT lost its first match to Honduras
2- TnT played Haiti in its second match (beginning of the tournament), not in a some kind of final showdown in which the winner would have qualified for the WC.
3-Haiti played its fourth match before TnT played its third match. So, Haiti is qualified for the WC with ONE MATCH to spare!
4-At that time, the competition was over.
5-In its fourth match, TnT beat a disappointed mexican team (was not a very fair match either).
6-TnT won its last match and looking back at their controversial loss to Haiti, people started saying that they would have qualified for the WC if they won the haiti's match forgetting that if no team was qualified at that level, the competition would have been completely different.
7-Back in the days, goal difference did not count. If two teams finished a competition with the same amount of pts, those teams would have to play an automatic 'play-off'. Haiti lost such a play-off against El Salvador in 1969 in San Salvador.

You do realise....had T&T been awarded the victory that was rightfully theirs....there would have been no Haiti qualifying with one match to spare.  Is water under de bridge now but we were outright cheated against Haiti in Haiti that night.  The tournament would have been completely different and who knows how it would have turned out?

What is undeniable that the cheating that went on that night deprived T&T the opportunity to be the one's to qualify instead of Haiti.

We remain convinced that either Duvalier, or the Haitian Federation (they were probably one and the same anyway) paid the referees to ensure we did not win against Haiti.  If the shoe were on the other foot...I'm sure you would have felt the same...and with justificiation.

If TnT won the match, Haiti, Mexico, and TnT could have won the tournament. You are correct on that and that is also my point. However, the point on which we won't agree is that the Haitian federation and/or Duvalier paid the referees. That is simply not correct and that for several reasons:

1- Going to the 1973 Hex, Haiti was already a powerhouse and TnT was not. Haiti was runner-up in Hex 1969 and should have qualified for Mexico 1970. TnT did not reach the final stage. A few months prior to the wcq, Haiti beat TnT 6-0 in Trinidad! So, why would Haiti be afraid of TnT at home?

2- The order in which Haiti played TnT also suggest that the officials did not consider TnT a threat. When you host a competition, you meet your most feared opponent either first or last. Haiti played TnT second.

3- TnT started the competition with a defeat against an Honduran team that could not even beat the Nederland Antilles!

4- You named Duvalier, the dictator died in 1971, 2 years before the tournament! His teenager son-president was under the control of his mom Simone Ovide Duvalier and was more interested in women than anything else at the time.

As beautiful as the sport of football is, ugly things do happen sometimes. Is that the first and only time a team does enough to win a match but ends up losing it because of a biased official? I am not saying that you guys should forget that once upon a time your team was cheated out, but putting the blame on the opposing team may not be the right thing to do, specially when that team has absolutely no rational reason to do so.

944

Football / Re: Haitians too hot to handle.

« on: August 26, 2006, 12:33:04 PM »

Palos, I am very well aware of that. Many Haitians would concede that the referees were not FAIR to TnT. But, many people in TnT took that event out of context to fool the younger generations that their team won the 1973 Hex in Port-au-Prince. Here are some facts about 1973.

1- TnT lost its first match to Honduras
2- TnT played Haiti in its second match (beginning of the tournament), not in a some kind of final showdown in which the winner would have qualified for the WC.
3-Haiti played its fourth match before TnT played its third match. So, Haiti is qualified for the WC with ONE MATCH to spare!
4-At that time, the competition was over.
5-In its fourth match, TnT beat a disappointed mexican team (was not a very fair match either).
6-TnT won its last match and looking back at their controversial loss to Haiti, people started saying that they would have qualified for the WC if they won the haiti's match forgetting that if no team was qualified at that level, the competition would have been completely different.
7-Back in the days, goal difference did not count. If two teams finished a competition with the same amount of pts, those teams would have to play an automatic 'play-off'. Haiti lost such a play-off against El Salvador in 1969 in San Salvador.

945

Football / Re: Haitians too hot to handle.

« on: August 26, 2006, 10:46:27 AM »

HAITI 1974 TEAM BEWARE when you clcik the link

http://www.haitifoot.com/haitian_soccer.php

Doesn't that Vorbe's pass make you think or Birchall? Doesn't Sanon look like Fuller in the way he scored the goal?

Too bad, a drug scandale kept Ernst and some other defenders from playing for the team, which left the back wide open for the Italians.

946

Football / Re: Haitians too hot to handle.

« on: August 26, 2006, 10:41:18 AM »

my pops always talk about phillpe vorbe every time he talk about haiti that was in the 70's may be and he always talk about suriname being a power houase . I think racing or Violette AC  won the club championships

Surinam had wicked players too.

2 forwards...Entingh and Roy George and dey captain Omberg who had a rocket of a left foot.  He was a defender.

Transvaal and Robin Hood was de 2 top clubs from Surinam in dem times.  Used to have some epic battles between dem and Defence Force back in de day.

Surinam used to be a better team back in the days. I believe Transvaal  won the champions cup at least once.

947

Football / Re: Haitians too hot to handle.

« on: August 26, 2006, 10:26:26 AM »

Compre, our football camp facility is located in the town of Croix-des-Bouquets, which is at about 40 miles east  of Port-au-Prince. The kids meet at the facility for regular trainnings and only stay there when they are preparing for a match. So, yes, they go to school.

Tri, the coach is Haitian. As for the Haitian clubs, there's not one or two top teams in the league like in Trinidad and Jamaica. As I said above, our league is highly competitive. There are many foreigners in the league. The teams from the towns of Saint-Marc, Gonaives, and Cap-Haitian currently dominate the league. However, traditional powerhouses in the capital like Racing, Violette AC (my favorite), and Aigle-Noir are fighting back. Unfortunately, Haitian clubs are not interested in the CFU champions cup. They usually forfeit their participations in the tournament.

Violette definitely rings a bell.  My earliest recollection of the Haitians was the team that had Phillipe Vorbe (one of the best players I have seen from the Caribbean), Emmanuel Sanon (one of the best strikers I have seen from the Caribbean), Henri Francillon (one of the best goalies I have seen from the Caribbean) and Ernst Jean Joseph (very good defender).

Which club team did Vorbe play for?  Because when I was a little kid, they used to give our clubs hell.

Vorbe and Ernst played for Violette AC (a club from Petion-ville, opulent suburb of Port-au-prince).

Trin, Haiti is a poor country. However, its poverty is not the consequence of a lack of ressources, but that of endemic corruptions. So, there is money in circulation in the country, but few people have access to it. Why do you think Digicel is investing so much money to sell services in Haiti?

In regard to the Haitian crisis you refered to, there are problems only in the slums of Port-au-Prince (Bel-air, Cite Soleil, and Martissant) and Raboteau (a slum of Gonaives). The rest of Haiti is free of gangs warfare.

Back to football. The stade Sylvio Cator in Port-au-Prince is a fairly modern football stadium. It can accomodate 30, 000 seated people although in a match like the TnT vs Haiti you would have seen more than 40, 000 people in the stadium! Almost every club has its own sportive parc, which is not always in the best of conditions. Local businesses, expatriates, and the public contributions usually help the clubs take care of their business.

948

Football / Re: Haitians too hot to handle.

« on: August 26, 2006, 09:41:26 AM »

Compre, our football camp facility is located in the town of Croix-des-Bouquets, which is at about 40 miles east  of Port-au-Prince. The kids meet at the facility for regular trainnings and only stay there when they are preparing for a match. So, yes, they go to school.

Tri, the coach is Haitian. As for the Haitian clubs, there's not one or two top teams in the league like in Trinidad and Jamaica. As I said above, our league is highly competitive. There are many foreigners in the league. The teams from the towns of Saint-Marc, Gonaives, and Cap-Haitian currently dominate the league. However, traditional powerhouses in the capital like Racing, Violette AC (my favorite), and Aigle-Noir are fighting back. Unfortunately, Haitian clubs are not interested in the CFU champions cup. They usually forfeit their participations in the tournament.

949

Football / Re: Haitians too hot to handle.

« on: August 26, 2006, 09:03:13 AM »

The problem is we cant be getting a team together a month before a tournament and expect them to be world beaters. We need to setup an academy to houses u12,u16, and u19 players. It will combine an academic section and sporting section. 30 students per age group from form1 to 6. 6th form students will do college level course as oppuse to A level. The logistic can be expanded by someone more knowledge than I in this area. Just food for thought

The most constructive idea so far. Haiti has that sort of facility. Also, some of the young players you saw are some kind of 'Freedy Adus' in the Haitian league, which is probably the most competitive one in the Caribbean. There is no such thing as 'having football in your genes' like some fans here seem to imply when they are comparing their team to teams from other countries.

950

Football / Re: Unofficial thread for the CFU Youth Cup

« on: August 24, 2006, 01:39:20 PM »

next up is Haiti. Warlord sey Haiti dem wi tek beaten from the Soca Warriors. mi wi bet unnuh Stephen Knox score at least 1 goal gainst Haiti.

Yow, nuh tell mi bout brainwash. You entitled to your opinion, but mi nah support di heathen. Fire bun fi dem.

And that is based on what?

There are more 'Christians' in Haiti than there are Trinidadians (Blacks AND Indians) in the whole world, and that is not to belittle your country, but just to point out how little you know about Haiti.

BTW, what don't you just read once agains all the replies that Palos, Triniman, Reggaefan, and Lionpaw have already posted in regard to Haiti in this thread. You will learn more than what the western media have been feeding you about Haiti.

951

Football / Re: new fifa rankings!!

« on: August 17, 2006, 06:34:24 PM »

Someone explain to me who de hell Guinea is and how de hell dey could be 22nd in the world. They doh even know what the world cup is.

The system is based on points earned from matches that a team has played during a certain period of time. Therefore, the more active a national team is, the higher its rank would likely be. So, if TnT lures Jamaica to POS and beat the boyz every saturday night, the warriors would be number 1 team in the world at the end of the year! (that is if the boyz agree to cooperate  )

According to the current ranking system, St Lucia and Guyana rank higher than Haiti and El Salvador. Do you believe that? They need to come up with a system that really reflect the strenght of the teams.

952

Football / Re: T&T vs Jamaica in August.

« on: August 10, 2006, 05:01:09 PM »

When you think about it, I don't think this is a game but more so a clash of various artist from both countries.

Why would  two Caribbean powerhouses select to play a friendly in Canada? and why in August? most of the palyers do have club commitments at this time?

Two caribbean powerhouses?

Here is how I grade the top concacaf teams:

Mexico 8/10, USA 7/10, Costa Rica 6/10, Canada 5/10, Jamaica 5/10, Honduras 5/10, Panama 5/10, TnT 5/10, Haiti 4/10, Cuba 4/10, Guatemala 4/10, El Salvador 3/10, SKN 3/10, Nicaragua 2/10, the rest 1/10.

Well, he didn't say two Concacaf powerhouses...he said two Caribbean powerhouses. Since you gave T&T and JA the highest scores of the caribbean teams, i guess you agree.

Not quite so. Ja and TnT have been the most succesfull Caribbean teams in recent years; but, they're no powerhouses for Haiti and Cuba. BTW, Both teams came out victorious in their last encounters with the 'powerhouse'. However, based on the warriors' good performance in the WC, I consider TnT the best caribbean team untill they play a relatively strong caribbean sides like Jamaica, Haiti, and Cuba.

If you were to grade Germany and Spain, wouldn't you give the Germans a higher grade than the Spaniards? But, would that make Germany a 'powerhouse' when compared to Spain? The same goes for the caribbean. Jamaica and TnT are not that superior to Haiti and Cuba to call them 'the  two powerhouses'.

I stand by what I said in my previous post. All the teams I gave a 5/10 grade are favorites to post victories against the ones I gave 4/10. However, those teams are so close in strenght that a victory of a 5/10 team over a 4/10 team is not garanteed.

953

Football / Re: T&T vs Jamaica in August.

« on: August 10, 2006, 12:45:01 PM »

When you think about it, I don't think this is a game but more so a clash of various artist from both countries.

Why would  two Caribbean powerhouses select to play a friendly in Canada? and why in August? most of the palyers do have club commitments at this time?

Two caribbean powerhouses?

Here is how I grade the top concacaf teams:

Mexico 8/10, USA 7/10, Costa Rica 6/10, Canada 5/10, Jamaica 5/10, Honduras 5/10, Panama 5/10, TnT 5/10, Haiti 4/10, Cuba 4/10, Guatemala 4/10, El Salvador 3/10, SKN 3/10, Nicaragua 2/10, the rest 1/10.

954

Football / Re: West indian anthem my a$$ !!!

« on: May 14, 2006, 11:10:32 AM »

West Indian anthem
 
 
The lyrics

We are united through struggles and triumphs of history.
We are the children of proud generations that yearned to be free
Rainbows of a people resilient and strong
We have created a home where we belong
The greatness of small treasures unearthed
A paradise land where cultures converge
to make West Indian nations colourful and proud
Our West Indian nations always shining
As one under God

(Music composed by Anil Hardithsingh, lyrics by Ernie Ross and Anil Hardithsingh).

http://www.bbc.co.uk/caribbean/news/story/2006/05/060511_westindiananthem.shtml

I hope this anthem's author refers only to the lesser antilles' nations. Still, why would Barbados and TnT have one anthem when they compete against each other? They both proud nations with strong cultures.

RF, I guess those Trinis are not our mother's children. Maybe, we should downgrade them to the status of distant cousins and wait untill their gas burn out in 3050, just a little bit after the end of the world, to see how they feel about us not being their brothers!

955

Football / Re: Mexico axe three players from World Cup squad

« on: May 14, 2006, 07:41:10 AM »

I remember Israel Lopez and Jaime Lozano were the thorns in our side in de Mexico game....class players...Lozano with a nice lob over Jack, dem fellas could prob walk into a lot of other national teams

I believe Mexico is not as good as some might think. The team has some great players. I like Quiquin's opportunistic attitude and his aggressiveness. However, Mexico is just too vulnerable when it is submitted to constant pressure.

Watching Mexico playing a slow and confused Congolese team the other day, I could clearly see why TnT beat Mexico in the wcq. My guess is TnT would again beat Mexico if those teams were to play another match...if TnT is not in its nonchalant form, that is!

956

Football / Re: Jamaica playing Canada in Sept in 2 game series

« on: May 01, 2006, 08:51:58 PM »

1989, the problem here is that we are taking things out of context. Read my post again.

By the way, your math skills are great. But, you are dead wrong! I am going to let a fellow trini point out where you are wrong.

In their last four encounters, Haiti and TnT are 2/2. All those matches were played in TnT! However, I go against the stats this time and say that TnT is PROBABLY better than Haiti because of TnT's latest success against other teams.

NO need to.  Based on what I see T&T won 3 games to end on 6 points.  Thus the final standing would have been T&T: 8 points and Haiti 6 points.  Even if Haiti beat Mexico in the final game T&T would have qualified due the the large goal difference.

Wrong again! That exactly what happened to Haiti in El Salvador in 1969. Goal differences did not matter back then. Peace.

Fair enough.  So let's just go on what happened and is written in the history books... T&T would have qualified if the decisions were reversed or something was done about it.
Even with a playoff, given that T&T scored five times against this same Haitian team, it is unlikely that without more bad refereeing they would have qualified.
Let me too refer to the article http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com/06/en/060131/1/5yvu.html  Their commentary about the team's quality (passing, finishing etc.) is clear.

T&T probably would have had better results in '74 than Haiti did. Jah doh like ugly.

Now you sound ridiculous. Haiti 73 played TnT 73 several times in the 70s. Guess which team won AGAIN in their first encounter after the 1973 hex?

Honestly, was TnT 73 a VERY GOOD team? No. TnT 73 could not even qualify for the 1977 hex as it was eliminated by Surinam, which finished last in the hex. What about Haiti 73? Not only Haiti 73 beat Surinam, it also beat all other teams in the competition except Mexico to finish second in the hex. Too bad only 1 team could qualify back then!

What happened in Germany in 1974? Haiti's strenght was in its defense. Haiti frustrated its opponents by killing the game and staging random and  effective strykes. Thus Haiti was weakened when  German officials accused some Haiti's players of drug abuse. Those players, most of them played defence, were not allowed to play for Haiti. What do you think the outcome would be if something similar happen to TnT in Germany?

To sum it up, TnT had some of the best players in the region (many Haitians still remember the name of Warren Archibald), but the team was not a power in the region like some of you seem to believe. Haiti 73 again eliminated TnT73 in 1981. I am just being honest with you. I am not trying to take anything away from you or put your team down. For  example, I would not even bother comparing Haiti 90s to TnT 90s as the warriors completely dominated Haiti throughout the 90s. Just keep it real, guys.

957

Football / Re: Jamaica playing Canada in Sept in 2 game series

« on: May 01, 2006, 12:13:21 PM »

1989, the problem here is that we are taking things out of context. Read my post again.

By the way, your math skills are great. But, you are dead wrong! I am going to let a fellow trini point out where you are wrong.

In their last four encounters, Haiti and TnT are 2/2. All those matches were played in TnT! However, I go against the stats this time and say that TnT is PROBABLY better than Haiti because of TnT's latest success against other teams.

NO need to.  Based on what I see T&T won 3 games to end on 6 points.  Thus the final standing would have been T&T: 8 points and Haiti 6 points.  Even if Haiti beat Mexico in the final game T&T would have qualified due the the large goal difference.

Wrong again! That exactly what happened to Haiti in El Salvador in 1969. Goal differences did not matter back then. Peace.

Touches, your own record shows that neither team is superior to the other. Haiti won its last match against TnT eventhough it was obviously a Haitian selection, not the real national team, you played in TnT. Since then, TnT lost to SVG and SKN. Haiti easily beat those minnows. TnT lost to CR. Haiti got a draw against CR in San Jose! I could easily get patriotic and say that my team is better than yours. But, I liked TnT's performance against Mexico and that only that keeps me from any bragging right.

Trini, you made a good point. CFU has a rep in the next WC, that's already something to cheer. Last wc, I supported the African teams but this time there will be a team which I am more related to in the competition. Get over it, guys. TnT was the only good CFU team that hasn't yet made it to the wc. It finally happens! Let's all enjoy it. I wish TnT do better than both Haiti and Jamaica.

(2010 will belong to...you guess it!...Haiti)

I would really like to see TnT play either Haiti, Cuba, or Jamaica before the WC.

958

Football / Re: Jamaica playing Canada in Sept in 2 game series

« on: April 30, 2006, 04:31:55 PM »

1989, the problem here is that we are taking things out of context. Read my post again.

By the way, your math skills are great. But, you are dead wrong! I am going to let a fellow trini point out where you are wrong.

In their last four encounters, Haiti and TnT are 2/2. All those matches were played in TnT! However, I go against the stats this time and say that TnT is PROBABLY better than Haiti because of TnT's latest success against other teams.

959

Football / Re: Jamaica playing Canada in Sept in 2 game series

« on: April 30, 2006, 12:12:25 PM »

This is kind of funny. Both Haiti & TnT played 5 matches in 1973. The teams met in their SECOND MATCH and at the time TnT had 0 pt while Haiti already had 2 pts. Haiti did not play TnT in any kind of play-off or must-win match. The caribbean teams met in the beginning of the competition and Haiti had no reason to be afraid of TnT as they whipped the warriors 6-0 just a few months before the 73 HEX! Also, remember TnT started the competition with a loss. Haiti later in the competition beat that same team that beat TnT. Common sense, guys?

However, TnT played a tremendous match against Haiti and many Haitians would still tell you that the referees were biased and TnT should have at least gotten a draw. But, does that mean TnT would have qualified for the wc? Please, do remember that Haiti qualified with one match to spare! When TnT played Mexico, Haiti was already qualified by beating Guatemala 2-1. If that wc spot was still up to grab, things would have been different.

By the way, the referees of your match against Mexico were no angels either.

Did Haiti need to cheat out TnT in 1973 to win a competition held in PAP? No. Haiti finished first in 1969 and should have qualified for the wc in 1970 but El Salvador found a way to convince the officials that there must be a play-off between El Salvador and Haiti. They scored a golden goal and won the wc berth! Sounds like a steal to you? That Haitian team won all competitions they participated in from 1970 to 1977 including one held in POS. In 1977, Haiti finished 2nd once more losing only to the host Mexico. In the current concacaf format, Haiti would have qualified 3 straight times!

What about the TnT team in 73? In the 70s, the warriors were neither strong nor weak. As always, they were a team that could beat anybody or lose to anybody! The team did not reach the HEX in 1969 and suffered an early exit in 1977 as they lost to surinam in a play-off. In 1973, TnT had a great competition and shocked the favorites Mexico and Honduras. Haiti should have had the same fate. However, Haiti was a superior team than TnT throughout the 70s eventhough TnT gave Haiti almost as much as they took from it. Currently, TnT is probaly better than Haiti. Peace.

960

Football / Re: A question on Conmebol and Concacaf football.

« on: April 11, 2006, 10:50:06 AM »

well, the Surinamese have a different explanation.  They think their national teams would be overmatched in Conmebol. Check the official website of the Surinamaanse Voetbal Bond for more info.