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Entertainment & Culture Discussion / Re: Post ah movie thread
« on: May 07, 2012, 08:27:45 PM »
In preparation for the upcoming Prometheus, I started rewatching the Alien movies.  The first one was so good eh, 1979 and they pull off a sci-fi masterpiece.

BTW it looks like it's the same alien ship or at least same type of ship in both movies.
I really lookin forward to this one.

Alien is a hell of a movie. Can't remember what the Alien ship looked like though.

Watching the Prometheus trailer it remind me of the backstory to Dead Space, an adventure/horror videogame. The dead space backstory has similar elements to Prometheus with humans finding ancient Alien glyphs on earth then leaving for space. But the real similarity is in the space ships. The design was very similar to Alien with cramped spaces and an industrial look and feel to the human ship.

Here is a "Prometheus" trailer using footage from the Dead Space movies

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/dkJZfb6nDqk" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/dkJZfb6nDqk</a>

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Football / Re: The Stretford End- Home of the Champions
« on: May 06, 2012, 01:26:13 PM »
Not terribly useful results for United. A Bolton win or QPR draw or loss woulda be in order. All QPR need next week is a draw to stay up. Would even get by with a loss if Stoke wooding Bolton.

Mark Hughes would have a chance to do his former manager from his playing days a huge favour and win or draw at City next week. Also, would be a chance to stick it the club he was unceremoniously fired from a few seasons ago.

This would his chance to achieve payback...
Not terribly useful results for United. A Bolton win or QPR draw or loss woulda be in order. All QPR need next week is a draw to stay up. Would even get by with a loss if Stoke wooding Bolton.

Mark Hughes would have a chance to do his former manager from his playing days a huge favour and win or draw at City next week. Also, would be a chance to stick it the club he was unceremoniously fired from a few seasons ago.

This would his chance to achieve payback...

Hughes is one thing but none of the players have them particular motivating forces. While every city man have something to play for.

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Football / Re: The Stretford End- Home of the Champions
« on: May 06, 2012, 10:53:39 AM »
Not terribly useful results for United. A Bolton win or QPR draw or loss woulda be in order. All QPR need next week is a draw to stay up. Would even get by with a loss if Stoke wooding Bolton.

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Football / Re: 2011/12 Premier League Thread.
« on: May 05, 2012, 07:55:09 AM »
Fantastic end to the season shaping up. Only Liverpool have something in the bag. Everybody else to meet a season goal or fll flat.

United/City - Title or salt

Arsenal - 3rd place is success. 4th place is worry. 5th or 6th place is disaster

Tottenham - likewise

Newcastle - 3rd place is a dream, 4th place is success, 5th place is still a damn good season, 6th place
would be disapointing but not disastrous

Chelsea - Champions league would be a dream, 4th place is success, FA Cup good, no CL qualification is a disaster


At the bottom Wigan is as good as up even though they need 4 points to confirm. Blackburn, QPR, Bolton and Villa just don't have the form for 3 of them to pass Wigan. One maybe, two possible, 3 not likely because QPR would have to get something from City and Bolton would have to get something at Stoke, not likely.

Happy to see Wigan stay up, and glad to see Blackburn go, Seeing Villa go with them would be funny but unfortunately it probably is not going to happen so one of QPR or Bolton will go.

I know everybody want United to go so I not shamed to say that i would love to see Chelsea, Arsenal and Liverpool in Europa league next year.

Bayern for CL, Newcastle in 3rd and Tottenham in 4th would be a dream outcome.

The worst would be Arsenal in 3rd and Chelsea winning the CL.

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City horsed Man U around the field all day except for the first 10 mins - wasn't even a balanced game.  If not for some careless ball handling in the final 1/3rd the game coulda easily been about 3-0...  I think Fergie was caught in two minds between going for the win, and playing for a point - His line up wasn't really definitive either way, and Man U just looked lost for the most part of it... Did Hart even have a save to make?

Kompany is a beast....Yaya and Aguero were ridiculous too. 

Yeah can't even call this one a tough loss. That line-up was too negative and it didn't pan out. By all reports Toure and Kompany boss the game.

Important for United to win the next two games. It goes without saying of course. Not expecting City to drop points but United need to be there just in case and losing on goal difference at least giving yuh something to look forward to during the summer.

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The build-up to this game is something else. Much more hype than the “decider” against Chelsea last year or the year before. Maybe because it is on a Monday noght and no other games playing. Or the fact that the teams are this close and City are favourites for the game.

Feels like a cup final. Plenty reports of United and City fans feeling an lmost paralyzing sense of fear in the build-up. I plan to listen to this one but I could see myself switching off the radio if things not going good. I tempted to not listen at all and just turn on the game when I reach home.

City going for it. Barry, Toure, Silva, Nasri, Tevez, Aguero.

Differing reports on the United team.

Jones and Smalling in for Evans and Rafael, stronger in the back.

Park and Giggs in midfield with Scholes, Carrick and Nani

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Football / Re: The Stretford End- Home of the Champions
« on: April 30, 2012, 08:59:19 AM »
JDB -  Sneijder is overrated.  Guy has kicking technique to burn, but his game not that varied...pivot and big diagonal ball over the top - that's his game.  Guy had his 15 mins where things were real clickin' for him (Mourinho last season at Inter, and into the World Cup Summer) and I will not lie, I didn't want Madrid to let him go but the fella overrated... He knows how to pop up in the right places as an impact player, but he not a steady creative threat....watch him close.... he's bleh.

Baines is a next one - good going forward - shaky coming back.  If allyuh want a Dani Alves kinda wing back (who is a really a deep lying winger) then fine...I eh know if United set up to play like that though...


Yuh don’t have to convince me on Sneijder. Think he works well in a very specific set-up 4-2-3-1 and his goals does catch the eye. Worked for Inter and for Holland. I didn’t want to say this earlier because I ent see him much this season, and stats could be nonesense but Inter have better results without him rather than with him this season. But the real stickler would be the money Sneider would need about 400,000 pounds a week to match his money at Inter. Utter madness.

Agree on Baines too but he would be step up on Evra because Evra also runs up the pitch with abandon. It have men out there yuh could get to play a goo dleft-back for much less than Baines. Much better to get somebody to transition in while competing with Evra IMO.

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Football / Re: The Stretford End- Home of the Champions
« on: April 30, 2012, 06:44:35 AM »
Dinho you think I care what Fergie says? he is the same man who said at the start of the season that we are catching up to Barca lol

Evans has been good definitely but he nor an aging Rio can give you what Vidic gives you..

And totally agree about Rafael..great potential but he was at fault for at least 2, maybe 3 yesterday... will be a great RB for United in time but next season a Left Back is a must..Evra's been shambolic over the last 2 seasons..positioning wise he is atrocious ..I want Evra to stay on as he is experienced and a fighter and understands the size of the club and good for the younger players but we need a LB..I want Baines

A right back may be on the cards too..cant depend on Rafael and then use 2 CB's out there if he not fit(Jones and Smalling)

Vidic will be back so with Rio, Evans Smalling and Jones we are fine there

CM is an area to improve..I want Modric or someone like him to play off of Carrick/Scholes/Fletcher when fit
then you have the other CM's , Cleverley, Pogba if he stays and Giggs

Park will leave I reckon..even if he doesnt I can see Fergie bringing in a man who can play both wings and behind the striker , Gaitian would fit the bill , Muniain from Bilbao has been linked and the expensive speculation is Hazard

Berba will leave..therefore he will either buy a striker or CAM depending on what he wants for big games.. we can run 4-4-2 in England but not in CL..4-2-3-1 in CL it will be so I reckon Sneijder .. younger names include Eriksen, Kagawa

I can see alot of money being spent this summer...we need at least 3 quality additions because City will get stronger and so will Arsenal and Chelsea..and then of course Madrid Barca...we cant afford to be left behind

Sort it out Fergie


I don’t know if big money spending this summer. Ferguson realize a while ago that you can’t get into an arms race with tne likes of City and Chelsea. Signings will be in that 20M “best available in the premiership” (Young Jones, Valencia) or 10-20M “relatively unknown foreign with plenty potential” (Nani, Anderson, Chicharito). They will be young and the goal will be to match City’s annual outlay and player turnover with incremental development.

The kinda year-on-year jump in performance that we seeing from Valencia is what Ferguson will be looking for in De Gea, Jones, Smalling Welbeck, Rafael, Chicharito, Cleverley and Young. In fact if Ferguson pip City this year he will see it as a real success.

To that end Sneijder is a non-starter. United really dodge a bullet by not getting him last summer. His best position is Rooney’s best position, when United really needs somebosy to play Scholes position. At his age, price and wage demands it would have been impossible to move him if he does not work out. You look at the problems that City have with overpaid players and you want to stay away from a player who makes twice as much as anybody else.

I like your earlier suggestion of Sahin. It real hurt to see Real get him for 10M last year and then bench him right thru. For that reason too a Gaitan or Hazard would give plenty options up top but a player to play alongside Carrick is more crucial. It is no surprise that Gaitan get mentioned because he will be cheaper than Hazard by a good bit.

Both are good players but they look best cutting in from wide and behind the striker which is what Nani and Young do (although not always as effectively).

Modric would bea  nice replacement for Scholes and will want to move this year if Spurs not in Europe. Chelsea might no longer be  interested…. but if Spurs want 40M they could  eff off. I hope United make a move for Cabaye. Proven in the premiership, young, French international, could hold his own as part of a midfield two and create. If they could get him for 20 – 25 million it would be a good piece of business. But maybe it have somebody out there on the radar for that spot who they could get much cheaper.

A Modric/Cabaye type midfielder – an attacking midfielder (Gaitan, Hazard) or even a big striker (Cavani would be a dream but there is no chance)  – and a left-back as cover/competition for Evra and things will be golden.

Baines good but Everton does want to dig out people eye for they players (rightfully so). They must have some foreign player out there who giving yuh more value.

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Football / Re: The Stretford End- Home of the Champions
« on: April 30, 2012, 06:06:51 AM »
Big, Big game today. Whoever lose this game losing the title.

If City wins it is over. Newcastle not stopping City if they win this game, they have a poor record against the top teams even though everybody punting them as challenging opposition.

United could drop points to Sunderland or Swansea so a draw would keep things alive but if United wins you fancy them to get a point from one of those two games.

City is not a good match-up for United. United has not done well in recent times against high tempo teams and teams that play with three in the middle. In big games like semi-finals and cup finals they have been bad too. Hopefully they approach this game like a second leg of a cup tie where they have the first leg advantage.

Ferguson could ask Rooney to drop and support in midfield (which has had mixed success), ask Valencia to tuck in (which didn’t work against Barcelona) or he coould just play a next midfielder and bench Welbeck/Chicharito. If it is the latter I hoping to see Jones and not Park, and not Giggs till the second half at least.

City have a dilemna too. Tevez and Aguero is a real threat but City have beat United by playing De Jong, Barry and Toure behind a lone striker. Also City always play cautious in these games, harry and wait for a mistake but that kinda caution is what cause them to lose all them points in the games against Arsenal, Sunderland, Swansea.

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Entertainment & Culture Discussion / Re: Best Roti Shops
« on: April 30, 2012, 05:46:31 AM »
Checked it out, nothing to do with T&T apparently, but still curry filled roti - but also you can add rice and fresh ingredients like cucumber, lettuce, tomato. I suppose the name is inspired by the high Mexican population around here.

There is a decent Roti Shop in Boston that I go to sometimes. They have the full range, shrimp, goat, boneless and bone-in chicken and beef, even kuchela. But they also have other local food, peas and rice, stew fish, mixed veg macaroni etc.

It does turn my stomach to see people come in, order a "wrap" and fill it with rice and peas, stew chicken, cabbage, carrots and onions.

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Football / Re: CHELSEA FOREVER! - Home of the Champions!
« on: April 29, 2012, 09:59:37 AM »
the new ozil? truthfully he was talked about BEFORE ozil in germany.....Ozil was considered a lil less than him when he was at schalke then Ozil joined him at Werder Bremen and Thomas Schaff threw Marin out on the wing and gave Ozil the prefered FREE  ROLE and Ozil blossomed...the rest as they say is history.... Marko is a VERY good player he can play on the wings but he is more influential behind the striker in the hole...yes he is a right footed Mata. Injuries hamper him this year but before the rise of Gotze in germany the belief was that Marin and Ozil were the best young creative germans for the manschaft . Not sure if he will make their euro squad but he is quality so i wouldnt be surprised if he was in it.

Good buy for CHelsea...young (23) and with bags of ability . good that they got him cheap and quick (6.5mil) hope we can lure Eden Hazaard to the club too

Marin is an excellent player. Very good for Chelsea as he can play deep in a midfield two. $0 Million for Modric or 8M for Marin, I will take Marin every day of the week.

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Football / Re: Question about Champion League.
« on: April 25, 2012, 12:30:17 PM »
They will automatically qualify and the EPL will give the other 3 spots to the top 3 teams, so its possible for Newcastle to place 4th and not get a place in the CL.

Or Arsenal or Spurs.

The only team not concerned about coming 4th is Chelsea.

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Football / Re: 2012 Champions League Thread (Chelsea v Barcelona).
« on: April 25, 2012, 10:15:08 AM »
Barca is a one dimensional team. The bitches aint even change they style of attack even though it clearly was not working


This is from the “No Plan B” school of thought that everybody does run to when a successful team lose. Barcelona’s play was good enough to create multiple chances in both games. Messi miss a penalty for Godsake, yuh can’t get more clear then that.

The only plan that fall through for Barcelona is their small suqad strategy. Good for getting team with 11 men playing telepathically every week, not so good for keeping quality back-up strikers happy and integrated in the squad.

With Villa fit or a decent back-up central striker in the mix Barcelona this is a different tie. All credit to Chelsea, deserved win and injuries is part of the game that teams must anticpate, but the idea that Barcelona style was somehow deficient is a stretch.

We have seen teams play with 10 men behind the ball countless times. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn’t. It is does not equate tactical mastery over Barclona.

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Football / Re: 2012 Champions League Thread (Chelsea v Barcelona).
« on: April 24, 2012, 02:42:34 PM »
Ramirez, Cech, Messi win that tie for Chelsea

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General Discussion / Re: I did not know this about Jamaica
« on: April 21, 2012, 01:51:10 AM »
Come on preacher, shame on you.  this clip has been out there for yrs, and the documentary is almost 20 yrs old, if not more.

right now jamaica cooling down and it look like trinidad wants tuh take their place.

i don't want to come across as unkind, ignorant and silly, but IMO, black/ caribbean / african ppl was not really ready for independence, bc apart from being extremely self centered, we are an ignorant uncouth kind of people, fact! and lack patriotism and responsibility to each other.

black folks need a lot a lot a lot of education!!!!!!!! i can't stress enough how much education we need horse! in reality, we not ready @ all @ all @ all for this kind of heavy responsibility, and it shows, bc we failing miserably.

governing your own self calls for responsible focused well rounded caring politicians and leaders, and most of these caribbean and african nations are filled with self serving backward corrupt dictators and politicians.

the only caribbean or african independent nation i've seen that shows any sign of capable self governance is barbados, and maybe that's bc it's britain's play ground, and they put more care into helping them remain stable for selfish reasons.   JMAO.

A couple things in relation to this post. I haven't read the others that followed.

We need to be careful about ascribing trends to race or culture that are common to human nature. Most post-colonial governments have problems. They are younger and all have to deal with self-governance issues. India and Pakistan have had just as many problems building a post-colonial society and they not black. For decades to come Egypt, Iraq and Libya will be going through the throes of finding some equitable from of self-governance.

Also the problems and history of post-colonial Caribbean countries is vastly different to post-colonial African countries despite all being black.

Caribbean countries have generally had sustained democratic order with peaceful political succession. African countries have more in common with India and Pakistan with numerous assasinations, military takeovers and failure to respect the electoral process. That is because the history of these "countries" usually involves taking completely different "Nations" of peoples and arbitrarily dropping them within large geographic boundaries, playing one side off against another for 50 years and then leaving in haste.

This is not a black or non-black thing because you see a similar effect in one of the few European examples of a similar situation in Yugoslavia in the 1990's.

The common thread could be that colonized people were second class members of their societies because they were externally governed. In making the jump to self-governance it is human nature to
a) try to get a superior position to benefit from the power vacuum and have the advantages of the former colonizer
b) fight to ensure that you do not end up in an inferior position and be at the mercy of unscrupulous, inexperienced governments

To your point about what colonial powers could have done to make things better all of these countries could have benefited from a more protracted independence process, preferably one that involved the colonial subjects being fully integrated as members of the parent society before independence but the economics of that was never going to work for the colonial powers.

Things may be compounded in Africa where you have a "big man" culture where the societies seem to me more familiar with a king or tribal leader holding all the power. As a result even in relatively homogeneous African countries you have no shortage of scoundrels champing at the bit to oppress their own people for personal gain. But even that is not unique to Africa because yuh have the Phillipines, Burma and other Asian peoples with tonnes of post-colonial strife.

In general Caribbean post-colonial countries have done an admirable job of self-government by comparison and yuh certainly tcan't say that they worse off because the leaders are black.

A challenge that may be more pronounced to post-colonial Caribbean and North American Blacks would be the effect of slavery on the family as a societal unit but that is a whole different story all together.

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Football / Re: Palos outta de hospital...
« on: April 21, 2012, 01:11:24 AM »
Get well soon Palos. You are in our thoughts.

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Football / Re: 2012 Champions League Thread (Chelsea v Barcelona).
« on: April 18, 2012, 12:50:22 PM »
I think this match will be more competitive than most are assuming.

Barca is the better side but they not in the invincible form that we've seen so much of in the last few years...the right match prep and some luck and this one could be very tricky.


Chelsea have a chance in these games. When they get Benfica and then Barca I thought they had a good draw.

If yuh want to win this CL thing yuh better off playing Barca in a two leg tie in the middle of a season, when they studying Classico, league and treble rather than at the end of the season when they have two weeks to rest and prepare.

United and Inter win CL going past Barca in that way, CL come close. Madrid beat them in a Cup final in between some CL and league games. Once yuh playing them in that end of season final yuh could forget it.

That being said, Barcelona seems really up for this game. They have a heated rivalry with Chelsea so they not likely to get caught sleeping. Still if Chelsea want to win this thing yuh better playing them now.

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Football / Re: The Stretford End- Home of the Champions
« on: April 11, 2012, 02:45:54 PM »
This was a very predictable result/performance. Coming off if 8 straight wins (10 in 11) and all the premature talk about title being over. Add Wigan' great form.


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I going to take a strange position and genuinely defend Dalglish here.

Dalglish needs to get criticism. His buys have not been good but Liverpool fans were not complaining when the buys were made. Downing was always paceless but men talk about him being “deceptively quick”. The side always needed width and had about 10 central midfielders yet men was happy to get Adam and Henderson. He also talk a lot of shit all season. Carroll struggling is "media fiction" yet he start  him in less than half the league games. Suddenly the league is not a measure of success, "cups and kit deals" is where it is at. And now 3 games in 7 days is a problem, wait till next season in the Europa League.

That being said Liverpool fans need to chill out and show some patience. There was a stat last week that taking Dalglish first 44 games his record is better than everybody since he left the club. Better than Souness, Evans, Houllier and Benitez. Benitez win a CL in his first season, Dalglish win a league cup and could win a FA cup (the team wasn’t in Europe so you can’t really compare the level of the trophies). During the time that Liverpool has not won the league they have contended for it ONCE, and even that year they were only in contention up till the New Year because United always had games in hand to put it out of sight.

On their cup runs this season Liverpool have had some nice draws but they have also beat Chelsea, City and United. They also did relatively well against these teams in the league drawing against City and United at Anfield. All this without Lucas which is abig loss for that side

It is very reminiscent of Ferguson in 1990. 13th in the league, a Cup win to save the season and a bunch of big money signings (Ince, Pallister, Wallace, Webb) who were not performing. In them days United used to beat Arsenal and Liverpool regular and lose to Derby, Palace, Norwich, Chelsea and all the dregs teams. 

Now United went to on to add to the FA Cup win, for Liverpool this could be like the cup wins under Houllier and Benitiez that Went nowhere. Each year for United was progress, 1991 Cup winners Cup and 6th place, 1992 League Cup and 2nd place , 1993 Title, 1994 Double.

I don’t see that happening with Liverpool because the game is different. It is a lot harder to move up the league and when teams with more commercial power and financial muscle like United, Arsenal, Chelsea and City are on top it is hard for Liverpool to displace these teams no matter who the manager is.

Dalglish could realistically get this side to compete for the fourth place next season. If they do that , even if they come fifth, is progress. This idea that Liverpool should be an automatic in the top 4 is fanciful with the league being the way it is now unless one of the current top 5 really open the door for them. Liverpool fans need to chill out and see if he could get something out of them players, if nothing happen in two more years yuh scrap it and start over. At least they win something this year. Between Arsenal, United and City – three better teams than Liverpool - two of them going and end the season with nothing.

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General Discussion / Re: Kid Shot Dead, No Arrest!
« on: March 23, 2012, 09:08:25 AM »
If yuh can't change racist stereotyping yuh better be prepared to change your clothes.

I shaking my head at this one because he goes so far as to say black and latinos in are putting themselves at risk in hoodies without acknowledging that it is different  for whites. Is it really the hoodie that is the  criminality stereotype.

The link has a video of the discourse.



Fox News' Geraldo Rivera attributed Trayvon Martin's tragic death to his hoodie on Friday morning's "Fox and Friends."

Martin, an unarmed Florida teenager, was shot to death by a self-appointed neighborhood watch volunteer named George Zimmerman in late February. His death has become a national tragedy, and the police handling of Zimmerman has further fueled uproar over the case.

On Friday morning, Rivera said that he had a "different take" on the case than most other people. He said that he believed George Zimmerman should be "investigated to the fullest extent of the law" and "prosecuted" if criminally liable, but blamed Martin's parents for letting him go outside wearing a hoodie.

"But I am urging the parents of black and Latino youngsters particularly to not let their children go out wearing hoodies," Rivera insisted. "I think the hoodie is as much responsible for Trayvon Martin’s death as George Zimmerman was."

When asked to clarify his remarks, Rivera said that he cautioned his own son against wearing hoodies. He explained, "When you, when you see a kid walking — Juliet — when you see a kid walking down the street, particularly a dark skinned kid like my son Cruz, who I constantly yelled at when he was going out wearing a damn hoodie or those pants around his ankles. Take that hood off, people look at you and they — what do they think? What’s the instant identification, what’s the instant association?"

"Uh-oh," remarked Steve Doocy.

"It’s those crime scene surveillance tapes," Rivera continued. "Every time you see someone sticking up a 7-11, the kid is wearing a hoodie. [...] When you see a black or Latino youngster, particularly on the street, you walk to the other side of the street. You try to avoid that confrontation."

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Football / Re: Fabrice Muamba - Spurs vs Bolton
« on: March 21, 2012, 11:17:49 AM »
But....his blood was not flowing for 78 minutes!!?? Wouldn't he then be brain damaged? After all them shocks his heart may be beating but, is he alive?


Brain damage is the main risk but not a guarantee.

Hie heart was not beating on its own for 78 minutes but for the 30 he was at the hospital, the time in the ambulance and much of the time in the stadium mhe would have been artificially respirated. That and the heart massaging could limit brain damage especially since it started so sson after his collapse.

Reports of him recognizing peopl and talking are refreshing. Science and medicine have to to be praised but the news so far has the making of a miracle.

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General Discussion / Re: Kid Shot Dead, No Arrest!
« on: March 21, 2012, 09:39:52 AM »
Giggsy, to ribbit it seems like only people with something to hide, particularly black people, it is acting like ah common tief.

So running in the rain is cause for suspicion?

This is the crux of the matter.

People need to come out and say what they mean. Ribbit allude to an out-of-date photo of Martin that in all the press. More recent photos of him wearing a hood him looking far less cherubic but that is still irrelevant. It is only pervasive stereotypes that would have a young-black male wearing a hood and running associated with criminality. Far worse if he had a dread, braids and/or jewellery.

A similarly dressed white person gets perceived differently, not just by a fool like Zimmerman, but also by reasonable people without overt racist bias.

As the parent of black males this is a real problem because of what this double standard means. I not personally into urban wear but fashion is fashion and kids will follow it. You see all kids dressing this way in my neighbourhood white, black, asian, hispanic.

As a parent do you restrict your kids freedom for fear of how people’s predjudices would have them characterized – teaching them that they are not equal and have to move differently to their friends. It doesn’t even have to result in something like this, just the day to day first impressions that people make of black kids in urban wear could limit their opportunities.

Or do you embolden them to express themselves as they choose (within the generally accepted norms), don't play into stereotypes, confident in their own virtue and prepared to accept the fact that overt racists and even well-meaning people will stereotype them.

To be clear this is not exclusively a black thing. Middle and upper-class blacks would also stereotype fellow blacks based on clothing and skin-colour.

Also long-haired white kids get stereotyped, goths and these “emo” kids get stereotyped too. The differences are though that none of these are done exclusively on fashion and style choices, race is not a component and none of these are automatically assoicated with criminality.

A young white kid in a white neighbourhood is a “white kid into urban fashion” or even a “white kid trying to be black”. A black kid in the same gear is a thug.

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General Discussion / Re: Kid Shot Dead, No Arrest!
« on: March 21, 2012, 08:57:54 AM »
JDB, check the order of events that i spelled out of bakes. it's very clear that martin ran first and when cornered tried to talk his way out. just curious, is this how you would have handled this situation?

Your reasoning is predicated on the fact that Zimmerman was ome type of law enforcement/neighbourhood watch. I would not run from a Police officer or neighbourhood watch but there is absolutely no way for Martin to assume or even guess that this was a neighbourhood watch.

By all reports it sounds like a self-appointed neighbourhood watch with none of the common trappings of a neighbourhood watch (people walking the streets, in teams, with visible identification that they are neighbourhood watch, without weapons). None of the numerous 911 callers referred to Zimmerman as a neighbourhood watch representative, none of them even appeared aqcuainted with him so how was Martin supposed to know and recognize him as a legitimate authority figure.

The 911 transcript is clear as to when he started to run. At that point he was already stigmatized as a thief. Your suggestion is a good one for a hypothetical case of a reasonable person mistaking a person running for something shady. But after being  followed and wacthed (most likely glared at) the boy clearly assessed the situation as a menacing one.

In this situation Martin was going to be pursued UNTIL there was a confrontation. He left the street to take the pathways between houses specifically so that the truck couldn’t follow him and this individual claiming self-defense left his truck to pursue him.

The point that people are trying ot make is that he was victimized before he even started running, saying that running was a “dumb” move and somehow contributed to his fate is to lighten the responsibility on the perpertrator.

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General Discussion / Re: Kid Shot Dead, No Arrest!
« on: March 21, 2012, 07:55:12 AM »
sounds like yuh one of de sorfhead dat get tief by de outdated picture of martin dey carrying in de paper.

let's change de context to suit your narrow narrow narrow concept of de situation. say it is a neighbourhood watch on de corner shadowing you. you would pull up your hoodie and scurry away like a 4king manicou? be real. ah shocked to read allyuh taking up for living like a coward. is a 17-year old who 70 feet from he house in a gated community. what kind of society allyuh tink it is? like is joseph kony on de corner or what? allyuh arguing for arguing sake. that was a plain dumb move sad to say. martin too busy studying what de smallie on de phone tell him, he lost his bearings. and allyuh taking up for dis dumb move. steups.


Ribbit yuh apportioning blame where there is no blame to be placed. Martin did nothing to instigate this situation. He also took actions to avoid confrontation.

Based on the 911 call of the aggressor, he was already pegged as a “tief”. Saying that he was at fault for “running like a tief” is like saying he was at fault for being black, wearing a hoodie, jeans and white sneakers because in Zimmerman’s estimation he was:

“up to no good”
“a f**king asshole”
Had “something wrong with him”

Now all this is from watching a fella walk down a street, no running, no confrontation.

You can’t listen to that tape, hear the facts and suggest that the youth was in any way at fault. Making such a suggestion would fall in line with the idea that Zimmerman was somehow justified because if reasonable people could say that the youth was “tief”like then Zimmerman’s actions become reasonable, when they were not.

I curious though what does “running like a tief” look like? Not being facetious, I genuinely want to know how this is characterized.

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General Discussion / Re: US soldier goes off in afghanistan - kills 16
« on: March 20, 2012, 09:00:38 PM »
Don't know if this is part of an excuse or an attempt to make him look more sympathetic. If you read between the lines he looks like an irresponsible money-chaser.

Bales Fought Losing War on Home Front as Mortgage Debt Mounted
Clea Benson and Elliot Blair Smith, ©2012 Bloomberg News
Tuesday, March 20, 2012

March 20 (Bloomberg) -- Army Staff Sergeant Robert Bales took his first step toward financial ruin while on a second tour of duty in Iraq. The man now accused of killing at least 16 Afghan civilians agreed to repay more than $500,000 in mortgages on two properties he owned in Washington state.

It was 2006, when many Americans thought the rise in home prices would never end. Bales's wife, Karilyn, was working as a project manager at Washington Mutual, whose later collapse would be the biggest U.S. bank failure in history. The Bales family found subprime lenders who financed their two homes on terms that included balloon payments and floating interest rates starting at 8 percent.

Six years later, the houses are worth $148,000 less than the initial loan amounts. The couple defaulted on one mortgage in 2009 and recently attempted to sell the second property for less than they owe on it. For Bales, 38, it was a double nightmare of being ensnared both in unpopular wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and a housing-market meltdown at home.

"It's not an unfamiliar story, but it's sad," said Richard Eastern, a co-founder of Bellevue, Washington-based Washington Property Solutions, which negotiates short sales. "We're going to send you off to war but we're going to foreclose on your home." He said many lenders offered loans they knew borrowers couldn't repay. "And it's not just soldiers, it's everybody. We set them up."

The scenario is especially common in an area of Washington where almost half of property sales are either short sales or foreclosures, according to Washington Property Solutions.


Fraud Charges


Bales's money problems went beyond mortgage debt, to the time when he worked in the financial-services industry, records show.

He owed an Ohio couple about $1.3 million in damages, plus interest, for defrauding them in 2000 when he served as their investment adviser, according to the Financial Industry Regulatory Authority, which oversees the industry.

An arbitrator found that Bales "engaged in fraud, breach of fiduciary duty, churning, unauthorized trading, and unsuitable investments," according to a 2003 report on the FINRA web site. Bales, who grew up in Ohio, worked in the industry there from 1996 to 2000, according to FINRA records.

Bales never paid the money and the couple could never find him, one of the victims, Gary Liebschner told WCPO TV, the ABC affiliate in Cincinnati.

Emma Scanlan, an associate of John Henry Browne, who is defending Bales against the military's current accusations, didn't immediately respond to an e-mail seeking comment.


'Heartbreaking Tragedy'


By the time the judgment was rendered, Bales had already joined the U.S. Army, having signed up less than two months after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks. He served a total of three tours in Iraq and one in Afghanistan.

After the March 11 killings in southern Afghanistan, he was flown to a U.S. military prison in Fort Leavenworth, Kansas. The Army will probably file charges against him on March 22, Browne said in an interview yesterday.

Karilyn Bales said in a statement yesterday that what happened "was a terrible and heartbreaking tragedy."

Browne has suggested the incident may be connected to a brain injury Bales suffered. The military has suggested Bales snapped under marital stress and the influence of alcohol, an account Browne disputes.

Whatever led to the killings, it's clear from court records that the Bales family was facing mounting money troubles.

A federal law, the Servicemembers Civil Relief Act, provides some protection against debt collectors and foreclosure for military personnel. Those protections were no help to Bales, because they only apply to debt incurred before active service.

"The whole concept of the SCRA vaporizes when you're on active duty," said John S. Odom Jr., a retired Air Force judge advocate and partner in the Jones, Odom & Politz LLP law firm in Shreveport, Louisiana. "You are expected to know the debt you can and cannot service."

In King County, where one of the Bales' properties is located, home prices have dropped 20 percent since 2006, according to the Northwest Multiple Listing Service. In Pierce County, where the Bales family now lives, property values are down almost 30 percent.

County records show Robert and Karilyn Bales refinanced their properties several times as the housing market took off, but slid into a debt spiral they couldn't escape as soon as home prices began to drop.


Falling Behind


Karilyn Bales -- then Karilyn Primeau -- bought her first house in Auburn, Washington, in 1999, taking out a traditional loan insured by the Federal Housing Administration. The agency promotes home ownership among low- and middle-income borrowers, often with modest down payments. County documents show she took out a loan for $99,308, almost the full amount of the $99,950 purchase price.

According to the documents, she fell behind on the payments by about $5,600 in 2003, but managed to avert a scheduled trustee's sale.

She refinanced the property in 2004 for $99,400.

Whether Karilyn Bales' position at Washington Mutual gave her any special access to lenders is unclear. The couple was paying relatively high adjustable interest rates as they continued to take out mortgages.

After they married in 2005, they refinanced the Auburn house again, this time for $166,000 and a floating interest rate of almost 8 percent.


Second Home


The Bales family rented out the first property and bought their second home at the end of 2005 with two different loans. The first was a mortgage with an adjustable interest rate of 6.75 percent that could go as high as 13.45 percent, according to county records. The second was a standalone loan for $56,000. County records don't show the interest rate.

Prepayment on the first loan carried a penalty equal to six months of interest payments, the documents state.

Nonetheless, in 2006, as Bales was in Iraq, his wife used her power of attorney to refinance both houses, into new adjustable rate loans. They soon found they couldn't support the debt.

In August 2009, the lender on the couple's rental home sought to auction the property. The Bales family owed $15,644.19 on the house plus $1,333.46 in trustee's fees, according to the auction notice.

The auction subsequently was canceled without explanation.

Rick Simon, a spokesman for Bank of America Corp., the servicer of the loan, didn't respond to an e-mail seeking comment.

Today, the couple's two houses have a combined assessed value of $358,100, 29 percent below the initial loan amounts, county records in Washington state show.

"The tale used to be: We would speak to a family and it seemed like a predatory lending environment," Eastern said. "But it's the American dream, right? Go buy a house and we'll give you the opportunity to do so. And they did."

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Entertainment & Culture Discussion / Re: Post ah movie thread
« on: March 20, 2012, 08:52:15 PM »
That is how yuh do a trailer boy.   :applause:  Might be better than the movie.

Can't see that happening. It have movies yuh could see is BS from a mile a way, and then much anticipated ones that turn out disappointing (Avengers fans beware!) but I can't see any way for this movie to not be boss.


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General Discussion / Re: Kamla:- I NEED MY SISTER
« on: March 19, 2012, 08:34:13 AM »
This might seem like a small thing to some people but this rankles me more then anything I hear about this PP to date. When you see this shit going on you know that in every public industry, every contract, every financial arrangement people raping the country.

It is a despicable abuse of power. A true statesman would not even tolerate arrangements that use state resources that would look unproper, much less encourage your family to come home, as if winning the election is like winning the lottery.

The fat that all these nephews and nieces no even citizens makingit even worse because they are clearly opportunistic vultures.

KPB making the classic mistake of these clueless politicians…because she not paying your sister a salary she thinks she is doing something good, as a result she feels entitled to make use of perks, which at the end of the day end up being more than what a salary would have been. A salary would have been accountable as opposed to this nebulous support – room, board, security, travel for sister and family well exceeds what a personal assitant would cost.

Jack used to do the same thing. Put some personal money into football and feel entitled to own the perks so he take catering, travel, hotel contracts from the TTFF and Concacaf. And then still claim that the federation owe him money so when something like 2006 come around is payback time. At the end of the day he make more money than he put in but there is no accountability. It is wholly unprofessional.

Government world is not the corporate. The rules are different. There was a huge scandal about this in the UK several years ago where they crack down on all expenses. I remember a female MP who had a 4pound pay-per-view charge on her hotel bill that get submitted for re-imbursement. It was her husband who rent a blues. The blues wasn’t the issue it was usnig $4 of the public coffers for personal use, something that should have come from your own pocket or your per diem. We can’t even dream of having that kinda accountability.

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Football / Champions League Draw
« on: March 16, 2012, 05:33:28 AM »
Not a bad draw for Chelsea.

Champions League: Chelsea face Benfica in quarter-finals

Chelsea have been drawn to face Benfica in the Champions League quarter-finals, playing away in the first leg
.
If Chelsea triumph, they will meet the winners of the quarter-final between AC Milan and Barcelona with the first leg on home soil.

In the other last-eight ties, Apoel Nicosia play Real Madrid and Marseille take on Bayern Munich.
The quarter-final first legs will be played on 27 and 28 March with the second legs following on 3 and 4 April.

Uefa Champions League quarter-final draw in full
APOEL v Real Madrid
Marseille v Bayern Munich
Benfica v Chelsea
AC Milan v Barcelona

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Football / Re: Worst T&T performers in the EPL ?
« on: March 14, 2012, 01:45:37 PM »
Trinimassive, ah put Stern as number 1 because I had big hopes for him, de man was deadly as a striker in his Forest days. I also add in Scottie, ah forget about him.


I think this is the problem, expectations.

I don’t know that any of these men were poor “performers”. They just performed to their level. In some cases like Carlos, maybe Stern, with a little more luck i.e. a better team structure around them they woulda last longer but most of them were better championship prospects than premiership prospects.

Stern never got a fair shot! After helping Sunderland get promoted in 2007. He played the first game in the prem that season and scored!!! By the next week they got rid of him for KJ...

Stern shot was at Birmingham. By the time he get promoted with Sunderland he was too old.

I can't speak to how he played himself, but Barnsley's run with Clint Marcelle was not great.

Marcelle played well in the premiership season but Barnsley was a shit side. Not much he coulda do about that.

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General Discussion / Re: Kamla:- I NEED MY SISTER
« on: March 14, 2012, 12:53:45 PM »
I AM WOMAN
As first female PM, Kamla explains why she needs her sister
By Ria Taitt Political Editor

A woman's needs are different to a man's, Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar said last night as she sought to make a case for the payment of a per diem to her sister, Vidwatie Newton.

In a statement issued last night, Persad-Bissessar said: "It was not unexpected that the election of a woman as Prime Minister would necessitate some changes in the arrangements for accommodation and personal travel. The official residence, for example, must be configured to meet the familial needs of the office-holder.

"Many personal issues unique to a woman warrant the involvement of a close and trusted assistant. This, more so, on occasions of official foreign travel when the hectic schedule and frenetic pace demands the Honourable Prime Minister's undivided attention, without the distraction of critical personal care."


Am I reading right?

Is her defence of this bullshit to say  that “a female PM is a special needs case compared to a male PM”. That is a such a backward defence. It is a slap in the face of females everywhere who compete in the workforce on an even footing daily.

Is a good thing she wasn’t PM in her younger days because she probably wouldna be able to function every 28 days.
I really hope this backward, dotish defence come back to bite her at the next election.

But even if we run with this line that she is special needs case why should the government have to pay for it. Is like saying somebody with an ailment need a higher salary or to work less hours just to compensate.

Also if we roll with this BS line of thinking and the sister is not paid and helps her out when she in TnT, why she needs a per diem when she travelling.

And what is the husband role on a trip with his invalid wife? What he so busy doing that he can’t organize meals, iron clothes and lay out she panty on the bed in the morning?

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