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Football / Re: UEFA Euro 2012 Thread.

« on: June 25, 2012, 07:17:48 AM »

You NOW seein' dat?!   Rooney capitalizes on the spaces his teammates afford him and he could do something on a counter attack.....once yuh limit the space he have to operate in, or force him to have to be creative with the ball at his feet....he dawgs dead

Rooney seems to be regressing. Either he getting older and just feeling his oats or he more enamored of scoring as he has become a better goalscorer/poacher.


He is no longer the player yuh could ask to play out on the left wing and get consistently good results. Asking him to drop into midfield to make a 4-4-2 a 4-4-1/4-2-3-1 also doesn’t seem to work. He does run plenty and give his all but it is doing what he wants to do, not really what the rest of the team expecting him to do.

He used to excel at the team game when Ronaldo was around. He was also much better for England earlier in his career when he was a youth breaking through (Euro 2004), than in these tournaments where the whole team waiting on his appearance after break foot/suspension (2006, 2012). He was wretched in 2010 too.

With United this year it will be interesting to see how much time he spends playing in a creative role behind Welbeck or Hernandez or playing in front of Kagawa as a striker, sharing time with Welbeck and Hernandez.

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Football / Re: UEFA Euro 2012 Thread.

« on: June 25, 2012, 07:05:04 AM »

As far as England could go, playing that brand of football.  Hope Hodgson will look to improve that style of play. They were horrible at possession, but that's Hodgson.  Thankfully, he's not at Liverpool any longer.

Neither Fulham or WBA were as inept with the ball as England was against Italy. It is less to do with Hodgson than it is the players he working with and the opposition they up against.

This was par for the course, or even better, with these players. In general the tchnique poor and the “star man” that they turn to just is not good enough. This rounds is Rooney, before that was Beckham and before that Gascoigne.

Not surprisingly the only two semi-finals they make (going out on penalties after playing even games with the eventual winners) was with Gascoigne. Despite the different supporting casts he was a true talent good enough to give the team a spark and run the attack.

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Football / Re: UEFA Euro 2012 Thread.

« on: June 24, 2012, 03:35:23 PM »

Better side win but England take some poor penalties.

The bats out for Hodgson but is not much yuh could do to get them men to pass the ball. Same poor possession play as under Ericsson and Capello.

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Football / Re: UEFA Euro 2012 Thread.

« on: June 24, 2012, 03:25:55 PM »

BTW what do people think of the Euro expanding to 24 teams in 2016?

Bad idea IMO. Every group will have an Ireland in it and you'll have the 4 best 3rd place teams qualifying for the 2nd round.

That is a bad system when you spending so much time to play final round games simultaneously

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Football / Re: UEFA Euro 2012 Thread.

« on: June 24, 2012, 12:11:39 PM »

Hoping England do well today. Think Hodgson is doing an excellent job. Every decision coming off. Even Neville looking impressive as a coach.

They been lucky too but the shape structure nd cohesion give yuh chance to capitalize on good fortune

Record to brek for England- they have yet to beat a big team in a tournament knockout other than 1966.

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Football / Re: UEFA Euro 2012 Thread.

« on: June 21, 2012, 11:51:39 AM »

Team of the tournament so far.

Buffon

Gebre Selassie
Alba
Hummels
AN Other (probably Sivok or Piqué. Woulda be Chiellini if not for the Croatia goal)

Gerrard
Pirlo
Iniesta
Schweinsteiger
Sneijder

Gomez

Notable mentions for Lescott, Cole, Debuchy, Khedira, Pilar, Jarocek, Ronaldo, Bendtner, Cassano

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Football / Re: UEFA Euro 2012 Thread.

« on: June 21, 2012, 11:34:45 AM »

I feel the Czechs winning this one. Portugal defence look pretty porous against Denmark and the Czech playing a nice brand with strong team-work.

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Football / Re: UEFA Euro 2012 Thread.

« on: June 19, 2012, 01:06:31 PM »

Ukraine all over England like a bad rash.

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Football / Re: UEFA Euro 2012 Thread.

« on: June 19, 2012, 12:47:26 PM »

Ok, so how allyuh calling it?

England to beat Ukraine and qualify?

Rooney to make an impact?

France to win but honestly can't call the England game.

Could be the first 0-0 of the tournament or England could lose. England have a habit of losing in these tournaments as soon as a knockout game reach and as soon as the public start to dream.

They been lucky so far in the tournament though.

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Football / Re: USA still doesn't get football; their loss

« on: June 19, 2012, 05:47:57 AM »

Just watch your TV and the coverage.  Advertisers money are tied up by their 1st tier sport, Football and that is what they are pushing.  You'll see poker front and center for no reason before you see soccer.   Why?  Poker and Lacrosse wouldn't ruin the market for their other big sporting brands.  But Soccer will kill the NFL if given a chance.  Soccer is so popular all over the USA but it's been given chair 5 or 6 and it will remain that way until the MNT win something really big and if then. 

Poker and world stroongest man are filler. Seeing it on TV does not mean that football is being downplayed anymore than it means that baseball or NFL is. They are dirt cheap for ESPN to purchase and can be shown at anytime they don’t have a live event.

ESPN shows a lot of live football but if there is no live game on it makes more sense to show poker or world’s strongest man than a replayed football game because they have a much more useful distributuion network for replayed games on ESPN3.

They have sooo much football available from every French, Italian, German, Dutch league and cup game that it doesn’t make sense to choose one or two to show in replay. Much better to stream it where, preseumably they pay lower rights with a fee per stream add-on.

It also allows them to get true market information about what people want to see.

The growth of football on TV in the US in the last 10 years has been absolutely phenomenal. ESPN has put a tonne of money to be in on the ground floor for the explosion that will happen in the next generation, not to stifle it. Fox has as well but they have always had the advantage of being part of a multinational broadcaster with strong ties to the EPL product.

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Football / Re: UEFA Euro 2012 Thread.

« on: June 18, 2012, 01:39:34 PM »

Italy on top the group right now. If things stay the same and France win tomorrow it will be a real lopsided bracket.

Spain, Germany, France and Greece in one half.

Portugal, Czech R., Italy, England/Ukraine in the other.

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Football / Re: UEFA Euro 2012 Thread.

« on: June 17, 2012, 02:23:30 PM »

Denmark dogs dead

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Football / Re: UEFA Euro 2012 Thread.

« on: June 17, 2012, 02:21:43 PM »

Hmmmn...Germany just one goal away from an improbable exit.

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Football / Re: UEFA Euro 2012 Thread.

« on: June 17, 2012, 01:26:23 PM »

Real back and forth thing in these two games. Very different to yesterday. If Portugal or Denmark score Germany bamsee will start to clench.

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Football / Re: UEFA Euro 2012 Thread.

« on: June 17, 2012, 12:44:19 PM »

My crystal ball crack after the first holland game. Taking ah chance with Portugal, Ronaldo wants to prove himself, holland will choke.

ronaldo always wants to "prove" himself.....holland go mash dem up today!!  ()

My one father's day wish is for a Holland win and a Denmark draw, preferably a 0-0. Gomez mashing up man fantasy league and Holland or Portugal in the knockout phase will be pressure

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Football / Re: USA still doesn't get football; their loss

« on: June 17, 2012, 12:41:10 PM »

Americans are very self centered and think that sports invented outside of America isn't worth playing or even watching,give them baseball,glorified netball(basketball)boxing,American football and athletics,oh and WWF.

Wouldn't even know where to start with this nonsense.

Ah got news for you pal Americans dont know shit bout football,as I say its only the immigrant population and their off-springs,you know very well what I mean.I would like to put that clearer,football,soccer to the Yanks has grown due to the immigrant population over the last 50  to 60 years,in 1950 when the USA beat England not one player was a bona fide American,now its the sons of immigrants.

Organized soccer is played extensively by middle-class, non-immigrant kids. The numbers surpass other sports at youth level. You could argue that US soccer is uffering because the number of middle kids playing is so huge and the system is so geared towards pay-for-play that they don't scout immigrant players well enough. Because the sport is solo popular with the 'Yanks'.

The rest of your post is just a mess. Basketball predates netball. WWF is not a sport. Also you can't say that Americans don't like sports invented outside the US and then say they interested in boxing and athletics, that makes no sense.

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Football / Re: USA still doesn't get football; their loss

« on: June 17, 2012, 06:43:52 AM »

Americans are very self centered and think that sports invented outside of America isn't worth playing or even watching,give them baseball,glorified netball(basketball)boxing,American football and athletics,oh and WWF.

Wouldn't even know where to start with this nonsense.

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Football / Re: UEFA Euro 2012 Thread.

« on: June 17, 2012, 05:02:03 AM »

So as I understand your scenario, Team A wins on goal difference. Why is that a problem? Man City won the EPL on a goal difference of 8. Now it could have happened that United beat City twice and City would still be Champions. Traditionally, its always been points, then goal difference. Although I believe there was something called goal average at one time, but I can't remember how that worked or if it was the same mathematic, just named differently.

Goal difference, in my opinion, encourages teams to go for more goals rather than sit back on a 1-0 and park the bus.

A scenario for Group D could be that if France lose to Sweden 4-0 and England draw with Ukraine, France will go forward as they beat Ukraine, yet Ukraine would have the better overall record.

But I'm wondering about Group B. If Spain and Croatia draw 0-0 and Italy win 2-0, the 3 teams will have 5 points. Croatia and Italy would both have a plus 2 g/d and scored and conceded exactly the same goals. So which team goes forward?

I don't know that one method is innately better than another. It is just what we are accustomed to at this time.

And there are different systems in place everywhere. Spain uses H2H and Italy used a one-game playoff up until recently.

Also goal difference as the main tie breaker is a relatively recent convention. Before that it was goal average up until the seventies which really favoured stopping goals over scoring goals. To us now that seems crazy and unfair but that was the accepted system for donkey years.

You could also argue that 3 points for a win (another recent convention) is unfair since a side that gets a win and a loss gets more points than one that gets 2 draws. 3 points for a win penalizes draws which is exciting. H2H prolongs teams' interest in the tournament which also has its benefits.

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Football / Re: UEFA Euro 2012 Thread.

« on: June 16, 2012, 03:31:21 PM »

How is Russia out?  Didn't they beat cezch 4-1 and draw 1-1 with Poland?

Czech top the group with 2 wins against Greece and Poland.

Greece lost to Czech, beat Russia, and tied with Poland.

That would mean Russia & Greece ended with 4 points each

So what's the first tie breaker? Couldn't be goal difference because Russia has plus 2 and Greece has a goal difference of zero. Has to be head to head which isn't "typical".

Unless Greece beat Poland which I don't remember happening but I must be wrong

(a)   Greater number of points obtained in the matches between the teams in question.   
(b)   Goal difference resulting from the matches between the teams in question (if more than two teams finish equal).   
(c)   Greater number of goals scored in the matches between the teams in question (if more than two teams finish equal).   
(d)   Goal difference in all the group matches.   
(e)   Greater number of goals scored in all the group matches.   
(f)   Higher position in the UEFA national team coefficient ranking.   
(g)   Fair Play conduct of the teams (final tournament).   
(h)   A drawing of lots by the Organising Committee.

(b) on that list is head to head. Brings it in line with the CL rules that UEFA uses.

Problem is this works well in the CL where you usually have a bobolee to beat, not so much when you have four competitive teams like most of these groups have.

In the CL a 4th place side could start off competitive in September and by the time November reach and they have no chance of qualifying they focus on domestic competition and start collecting 6 in the CL. It that case it kinda unfair to use H2H to separate teams.

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Football / Re: UEFA Euro 2012 Thread.

« on: June 16, 2012, 02:31:55 PM »

Greece time wasting. If I was the ref I not letting him come back on for a good 5 minutes

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Football / Re: UEFA Euro 2012 Thread.

« on: June 16, 2012, 02:29:41 PM »

What is Advocaat scene?

He sticking with Kershakov right thru, as soon as he need a goal he bring on Pavluchenko.

Why not just star with Pavluchenko if that is yuh route to goal

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Football / Re: UEFA Euro 2012 Thread.

« on: June 16, 2012, 01:42:47 PM »

These permutations is something else with the head to head tiebreaker. Greece leading means that the Czechs have to beat Poland now, unless Greece really beat up Russia (not happening).

If the Czechs take the lead Russia will be going out.

Poland still need to just win.

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General Discussion / Re: Too much advantage

« on: June 16, 2012, 08:06:29 AM »

Not seeing the video.  It has been removed by the user.....

If yuh follow Daft's links tuh should find it as a related video.

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Football / Re: UEFA Euro 2012 Thread.

« on: June 16, 2012, 08:02:56 AM »

alyuh aint see that sweet forking goal from wellbeck 

 He learn dat from Drogba! 

The celebration maybe.

eh-eh, doh try dat! Yuh fuget de pirouette back heel Drogba score a couple seasons back against (ah tink it was) arsenal ah wha?!  Allyuh manu fans is some rel tief boy!     Dize awright, tho....ah know somebody have it on Youtube.

Is Arsenal-Chelsea yuh say

I mustbe have nothing to do.

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General Discussion / Re: Too much advantage

« on: June 16, 2012, 04:24:50 AM »

Those guys are not security despite what their video title says. Sorry for the old man because they dont even have the right to be asking him any questions. One man wearing a security-type sweater but anybody could get that.

No security guard beating a customer like that on camera and security usually was well identified corporate branding. And no company letting a security guard hang out with two partners on the job.

That is a bunch of criminal thugs who just out to terrorize the weak and the homeless. Sick f#ckers.  The victim was probably hip to it and was punching in the wrong code on purpose but them monsters dont even seem motivated by money.

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Football / Re: UEFA Euro 2012 Thread.

« on: June 16, 2012, 04:01:15 AM »

alyuh aint see that sweet forking goal from wellbeck 

 He learn dat from Drogba! 

The celebration maybe.

Welbeck has a little bit of everything. In youth teams his goal scoring record was phenomenal, but hat net really unique.

He is not a goal poaching number 9 but he makes good runs and could finish. He is not a number 10 but he has a lot of flicks and tricks and can link the play well. He is not a big physical presence but he could hold up the ball with the best of them. And he have a habit of scoring spectacular goals. The goal against Belgium was a beauty too, he has good instincts. And he is only 21.

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Football / Re: UEFA Euro 2012 Thread.

« on: June 15, 2012, 02:39:46 PM »

Feel glad for Welbeck like he is my child yes.

Top stuff from the youth.

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General Discussion / Re: It takes just one man to spark change in society

« on: June 12, 2012, 09:56:02 AM »

Why allyuh like tuh take simple things and make it complicated. all the man was saying in a nut shell was, where are the stand up ppl in this country? bc he cannot believe that a ppl would sit idly by like sheep and allow a few pirates to raid their society without ah single peep of resistance.

Nobody is over-complicating anything. Merely pointing out that it is a flawed comparison.

We have politicians that are generally viewed as useless and incompetent and political system that doesn’t result in any meaningful change and is not able to fix the big systemic problems. The general populace is resigned to the fact that nothing changes.

This is not unique to TnT. Despite your usual self-loathing drivel about sheep and moral conviction you could make the same arguments about political systems in the UK and the USA where leadership changes are cosmetic because “the people” really don’t have power. They merely let the oligarchy take turns to lead.

Over-complicating it would be to point out that all the people listed were figureheads for much larger movements and not single-individual catalysts. It does not “take one man” to spark change. It takes a concerted movement of progressive, well-organized,  like-minded people woking towards a defined goal.

You could easily identify self-governance, racial equality and political enfranchisement as the defined goals of the listed leaders. What exactly would be this singular, glalvanizing objective of this societal revolution that you bemoaning the sheep for not pursuing?

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General Discussion / Re: It takes just one man to spark change in society

« on: June 12, 2012, 07:27:05 AM »

Just a bit of perspective.

Gandhi, MLK, Rosa Parks, Mandela agitated for basic civil rights on behalf of disenfranchised people in their own lands.

TnT has a shitty government chosen by the people, using their unabridged rights as citizens in society, to replace another shitty government.

I suggest that as "injustices serving as catalysts for social change" go, the situation in TnT does not really compare.

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Football / Re: UEFA Euro 2012 Thread.

« on: June 11, 2012, 09:51:37 AM »

Yeah, he HAD to know the defender was comin' back in he ass, maybe he was thinkin' the defender woulda had to foul him from behind to win de ball, who knows.....he shoulda really take the opportunity to blast dah ball past Casillas in the far post and shut all his critics up fuh a few minutes.

That was such a confusing play by Balotelli. We does rightly  knock KJ for his lack of effort but when yuh watch Balotelli he real similar. He is not about hustling and you will never see him busting a lung to gamble on a ball reaching the far post. Economy of motion is the name of the game with Balotelli. Even when he shooting at goal is more of a pass to the corner than a bullet. Very graceful player and a great finisher.

On that play I was surprised to see him put in the hustle to pick Ramos’ pocket and after he do all that hard-work is like he decide to go into slow-motion