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Entertainment & Culture Discussion / Re: Post ah movie thread
« on: May 17, 2012, 11:12:16 AM »
Alright, so I deliberately didn't read any of the comments on the before I went to see it.  I now realise that since I wasn't no big comic geek growing up dais why I was kinda "bleh" watching the movie.  My superheroes growing up were Spiderman, Superman, Wonder Woman, Batman (and Robin anybody remember dem ole episodes from the 60's??).......

The best superhero movie of all time for me is still Superman The Movie and I was not a big Superman fan growing up. They did so many things right in that movie casting, characters, score, theme. They didn't change the costume too much or feel bad about putting him in high boots, tights and jockey-shorts, and cape like they do with so many other movies. They also went with the idea of him hiding his secret identity with a pair of glasses without questioning its realism or practicality.

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Entertainment & Culture Discussion / Re: Post ah movie thread
« on: May 17, 2012, 11:04:03 AM »
I like Downey, Jr. too and love his interpretation of Sherlock Holmes.  My gripe with him is that he and Favreau seem to believe he must play Tony Stark the same exact way, and for me it eh really working.  It was arrite in the first Iron Man, but kinda overbearing by the time the second one reach.

This was the biggest of the problems that I had with the Avengers. One of the things that make it a good but not great great experience for me was constantly having to remind myself that this was supposed to be Iron-Man.

RDJ portrayal of Iron-Man is not the Iron-Man in the books. There were hints of this Downey-ness in the first movie, specifically the final scene with the “I am Iron-Man” reveal. That was a real sour note but overall the movie was good.

The second was all about that obnoxious, lovable  rogue BS, from the cheerleaders, to the Senate committee hearing, to the snarky one-upmanship with Justin Hammer.

This movie turned out to be more of the same. Whereas in the books Iron-man was actually a very straight character, the group organizer, rule-setter and planner for the Avengers, here they had him as this anti-authority, too cool for school, wise-cracking, arrogant hipster. I had to pull back  and just enjoy the visuals, the action and the humour and ignore plot and characterization.

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Football / Re: Manchester City Thread- Blue Moon has risen!
« on: May 16, 2012, 12:17:29 PM »
Disagree with this, you kinda downplaying the talent that City have at their disposal...


The squad is excellent. Apart from Toure Aguero is a player head and shoulders above the rest of the league. I think he underachieved this year as he was settling in. The ease with which he score two and set up one on his debut is what I expect to see more often next season. Even with the adjustment to the league he still score 20+ goals, which is rare for a new player to the league and Aguero real throwaway this year.

A couple years ago a Spanish journalist was talking about players who could reach Messi and Ronaldo level of performance (back when they was only scoring 30-40 goals a season) and his answer was Aguero. He is only 24 and he has the skills to do what RVP did this season, and more. A goal a game season is more than possible for Aguero.

Then I would add Silva. The closest thing to a classic playmaker of the 80’s like Platini. Is just that football change now that all these players end up creating from wider positions because teams want to shore up the middle. Add Kompany and Hart and the starting 11 have a lot going for it.

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Just heard Tony Evans on the Radio. Evans is the Times Sports Editor, Liverpool native and big Liverpool fan. He wanted nothing to do with Hodgson and does still waste him down to this day.

His reponse to the sacking was scathing.

“Very, very disappointed at the sacking”

“I think it’s a premature stupid act that leaves a shell of a club”

“No chief executive, no manager, no director of communications, no director of football”

“Liverpool football club has a heritage and tradition which seems to have gone out the window”

“To sack the second most important figure in the club’s history and not keep a connection is beyond the pale”

That is what the next Liverpool manager will be dealing with. People with a pro-Dalglish agenda wanting to be proved right about their opposition to the sacking.

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If Martinez goes to Liverpool he needs to get the backing of the owners that with a clear public statement that his job is not dependent on CL qualification. Because that is what the Liverpool fans expect.

Coming from a small club, Martinez will face a lot of the same problems that Hodgson faced with the fans. I just don’t see Liverpool fans being patient enough to accept a transition year or two under Martinez, especially when they could reference the “return to good football” and return to silverware that Dalglish just  give them.

Based on his time at Wigan Martinez is a patient manager. At Wigan Whelan give him complete faith every single year no matter how perilous things get and what he wants the players to do on the field takes time to develop. The only criticism I would have of him as a manager is a failure to find/spot good strikers.

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Bring back Rafa.

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General Discussion / Re: Barack Obama Supports Same-Sex Marriage
« on: May 15, 2012, 11:02:58 AM »
What i doh endorse is same sex couples going to a church, before a priest or minister, putting a hand on a Bible and being married in a religious ceremony. That to me is against the central tenet of any Bible-centric religion, which is that marriage is a union between a man and a woman.

I don't know that this is even at issue. No one is suggesting that religions be forced to join same-sex couple sin matrimony if it is against their rules. The government's function is marriage is separate to the denominational recognition


From a purely legal and constitutional perspective, it is difficult to oppose anyone's rights to anything, but when you view these things from a religious perspective i can't see how that could ever be right (i admittedly view it from this perspective). And the fact of the matter is that the line of separation between church and state is blurred.

There are very clear lines about when it is acceptable to deny one's rights, usually when yuh break societies rules and norms. These rules and norms are set by what is generally accepted as part of society. The reason we having this debate as Truetrini alluded to is that social mores have changed. There are no rules against being homosexual. When there were rules against it, same sex couples were forbidden by society. Now is the time to examine if there should be rules against them have similar rights to heterosexual couples when they fulfill similar roles in society.



Because even when offered all the civil rights as accorded to married heter-sexual couples they still cry discrimination because of the term civil union as opposed to marriage which tells me that it is much deeper than just legal rights.


Unfortunately this is not the case. The marriage/civil union distinction is used across the country to limit the rights of same-sex couples. that is why States that have agreed to recognize same-sex couples rights have had to go the route of recognizing it as marriage. In North Carolina last week there was the opposite case where to deny same-sex couples rights they set a broad definition of what is not a mrriage that could have unintended consequences for heterosexual common-law couples.



One doctor made a clever argument saying that being gay cannot be natural, since gay sex is not natural, because a man's arse is not anatomically designed for penile penetration or reception.

Not a very clever argument at all. Being gay is not "natural" because it doesn't result in offspring through natural means, not because of the way people get off.

Not to be graphic or obscene but... is a woman's mouth anatomically designed for reception, or her hand, or her cleavage? How many different ways do heterosexual couples express themselves that is not "penis in vagina". Conversely how many homosexual couples are in relationships without anal intercourse being a central part of the relationship. For homosexual couples, as for heterosexual, companionship is defined by more than "who putting what in where".


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Football / Re: Official 2012/2013 Transfers/Rumours thread.
« on: May 15, 2012, 05:46:14 AM »
Eden Hazard said he will be wearing blue next season for EPL. 
Means Chelsea or City, and he was at the City/United game a few weeks back....
And I got all excited as a Spurs fan when he started talking Tottenham 2 months back -___-
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story/_/id/1065218/lille-star-eden-hazard-reveals-he-will-wear-blue-next-year?cc=5901

Must be City because he said that he is going to Manchester. City has expressed interest and I can't see United getting into a bidding war with them for a player.

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Football / Re: The Stretford End- Home of the Champions
« on: May 15, 2012, 05:43:08 AM »
So there was that earlier article with Gaitan, Ferguson observed watching Kagawa and strong rumors about James Rodriquez.

Plus Hazard apparently proclaim that he going to either City or United.

Any one of these will be a good addition.

Scholes re-sign for a year but still no talk about a deep-lying playmaker to replace him.

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General Discussion / Re: Barack Obama Supports Same-Sex Marriage
« on: May 14, 2012, 09:28:54 PM »
1) I don't recall my response being to you.

Didn't know this was an invitation thing. Who was addressing you when you make your first entry on this thread?


2) Other people brought the Bible into this which is what I responded to. If you don't believe in the Bible then I suggest you keep it moving.  :-\

Understandable, but it's not like a send yuh the question by PM, it is for anyone ot answer or comment on...

but I ask the question because the context of this debate is about laws governing same-sex relationships. I know we gone off on a "what the Bible say" tangent but even if we accept that the Bible say that homosexuality is sin...then what? The Bible can't be a foundation for law-making in a democracy where you claim to have separation of Church and State.

How different would it be from a state run under Sharia law if we use one religion or ten religions to justify a legal definition of marriage?

The component of marriage in the public debate is not the religious one, but the social and economic one. The debate is about same-sex couples that operate in society in the same way as traditional couples being granted equal economic and social rights under the law. Rights to healthcare coverage, next of kin status, child support, child visitation priveleges in the event of a break-up etc.

Those in opposition to same-sex marriage recognition under the law need to come out and say that they believe same-sex couples are less equal than heterosexual couples and why?

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General Discussion / Re: Barack Obama Supports Same-Sex Marriage
« on: May 14, 2012, 01:24:53 PM »
Evidence abounds that God homosexual relationships are prohibited in the Bible. That should clue everyone is on the fact that marriage is between a man and a woman. Anyway...

Genesis 2:4

“A man will leave his father and his mother and he must stick to his wife and they must become one flesh.”

Matthew 19:4
In reply he said: “Did YOU not read that he who created them from [the] beginning made them male and female and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and his mother and will stick to his wife, and the two will be one flesh’?

The Hebrew word “wife,” according to Vine’s Expository Dictionary of Biblical Words, “connotes one who is a female human being.”


Hebrews 13:4

'Let marriage be honorable among all, and the marriage bed be without defilement, for God will judge fornicators and adulterers.'

God commands that the marriage should be 'honourable amongst all.' Would a homosexual 'marriage' be viewed as honourable to the Creator? No. He regards homosexuality as something 'detestable'.

Um what if I don't subscribe to the Bible? or any religion for that matter?

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Football / Re: 2011/12 Premier League Thread.
« on: May 13, 2012, 10:19:08 AM »
Credit to Hughes and QPR for staying-up. With that run-in they had nobody expected them to come through but the wins against Arsenal and Liverpool and Bolton really not doing it down the stretch keep them up.

Hard luck for Spurs, I could see Chelsea beating Bayern to keep the same 4 CL qualifiers next year.

United season is a mixed one. Feels like a big missed opportunity with City's long run of poor away results. Players and fans will be replaying them two City games all summer long but you have to let that shit go. Is not any one result that get yuh to the end of a season.

89 points is a good total, an improvement over last season. Last season United were excellent at home and poor away. This year they improve tremendously away from home but they let in way too many goals at home (6 to City and 4 to Everton come to mind). Hopefully with Vidic back and a few additions they could get even better next year. I could see City scoring a higher total next year too. They will be better away from home and more consistent.

They level on points but City deserve it. Even in the games they lost and drew they were close run things, 1-0 to Sunderland, 1-0 to Arsenal, They didn't get outplayed like United did in their poor performances against Newcastle, City and WIgan.

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Football / Re: 2011/12 Premier League Thread.
« on: May 13, 2012, 09:59:43 AM »
Thais madness lol. Congrats City

Heart-breaking. Yuh can't write that shit.

Congrats City

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Football / Re: 2011/12 Premier League Thread.
« on: May 13, 2012, 09:49:13 AM »
City puttin' all them balls across QPR box but is too much cesc fabregas short men on de team.  Dzecko and Balo is de only tall men (Lescott doh count anymore)....dey missin' Yaya bad fuh dat and fuh some composed leadership. 

Yeah I was upset to see City score but then optimistic when I see Yaya holding his hamstring. Although the way QPR massing at the back now I don't know what Yaya box-to-box skills would be adding.

You have to wonder if QPR was pulling that first goal back with Yaya there to hit them on the counter.

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Football / Re: 2011/12 Premier League Thread.
« on: May 13, 2012, 09:29:26 AM »
United NEED to hold off Sunderland. A draw would be enough as things stand but I don't see QPR holding off City.

Odds are City will score to tie or win.


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Football / Re: 2011/12 Premier League Thread.
« on: May 13, 2012, 09:26:08 AM »
MACKIEEEE

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Football / Re: 2011/12 Premier League Thread.
« on: May 13, 2012, 09:19:04 AM »
Joey Barton just lose his head completely.

Of all the sending-off for head-butt, slap and knee-in-the-back this season...this was the worse.

He give Tevez a clear elbow, get a red, then attack two City players on the way off the field.

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Football / Re: 2011/12 Premier League Thread.
« on: May 13, 2012, 08:48:20 AM »
Just as I type that Bolton score again.

QPR going down as things stand. Time to pull they hand against City.

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Football / Re: 2011/12 Premier League Thread.
« on: May 13, 2012, 08:46:58 AM »
Goalazzo by Santos.
Arsenal 2 - West Brom 2

Meanwhile, City is in 2nd place, Newcastle down 2-0 to Everton.

Back in first for the moment, City go up 1-0 and Bolton has equalized against Stoke, thus condemning QPR to the Championship if scores stood the way they are now.

No QPR still up with current scores but they would be down if Bolton score again.

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Football / Re: 2011/12 Premier League Thread.
« on: May 13, 2012, 08:18:23 AM »
Nothing better than this day of the season.

All 10 games playing same time.

9 goals in less than 15 minutes have to be some kinda record. the 2nd halves will be pressure

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Entertainment & Culture Discussion / Re: Post ah movie thread
« on: May 13, 2012, 01:16:00 AM »
Saw Mission Impossible on the plane. What a load of crap! Also had time to watch Contraband and I enjoyed it. Love heist & con movies

Breds I enjoyed this one, what was your problem with it?
Paula Patton mmmmmmmmm......

Yeah I thought this was the best of the four. The end was cartoonish and it had too much Tom Cruise running (as usual) but the heist was classic MI. Much, much better than the 2nd and third ones.

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it seems you were claiming that his previous actions implied his statement. i don't think the connection is as immediate and direct as you are suggesting.

ah find there is a distinction between same-sex marriage and "anti-hate crime" legislation. maybe daiz de same thing to you.

His actions implied his feeling on the issue, that gays are equal, his statement did the same.

Refusing to pursue DOMA and extending same-sex benefits are same-sex marriage initiatives. I don't know why you just gloss over that to focus on anti-hate crime legislation.

Even if you hold on to the belief that he was personally "anti-gay" he has not governed that way when every other president in the last 30 years has. He could have easily left well enough alone but has actively pursued more pro-gay initiatives than any other president despite his "previous personal opposition" to same-sex marriage.

Compare that to every mainstream Republican candidate and representative who think their personal religious belief is should govern the way they legislate.

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Entertainment & Culture Discussion / Re: Post ah movie thread
« on: May 11, 2012, 01:45:24 PM »
Seems you taking it as though I throwing it in yuh face that ha ha yuh was wrong... if so then that's not the case.  I merely pointing out what a resounding success it was quite to the contrary, and perhaps despite the fears of many.

No sweat.

So true.... and with dem inflated movie ticket prices I cyar even remember when last I went to the movies more than once to see de same flick. Hell, I might even take it een a third time...maybe in Imax...

I definitely going back, but that is partly because I sleep though a good bit of the first half. As for generally watching things twice, I can't remember doing that in a long while too, more because of time than price. I sneak off to see this one solo on opening weekend so I will get to see it again on my next date night.

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these have to do with the individual.

these have to do with something different than the individual.

Do you see the difference?


I genuinely don't understand what distinction you are trying to draw here.

Are you saying that the former examples only refer to individual gay rights, while his statement on same-sex marriage refers to couples?

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de prez said his attitudes on the matter "was evolving" and like he finally get forced into making a statement. so de "evolution" finally stop or it have more to go? even now biden apologizing for putting de prez into that situation. why is he apologizing?

it is because he put de prez on de spot. de prez would rather have not said anything and keep everyone guessing so he could fool some more voters. if he was guaranteed to win de election by running against gay marriage he would - trust me. he have zero principles.

meanwhile de employment numbers merit no statement.


The “Prez” has:

  • Repealed don’t ask don’t tell in the face of much opposition
  • Championed anti-hate crimes legislation
  • Extended equal benefits to same-sex employees that he has control over (White House and executive branch)
  • Refused to pursue the odious DOMA

Do you really think he has been keeping us guessing on his ideas of the equality of same-sex couples?

His statement is just validation of those who always thought he was just too afraid to come out and say it because every politician with Presidential ambitions feels they have to toe this line of being a good upstanding Christian.

You mistaking Obama for that opinion lottery allyuh have in Romney, who has actually changed his policy stance on this issue.

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Entertainment & Culture Discussion / Re: Post ah movie thread
« on: May 11, 2012, 07:22:08 AM »
I normally look at performance at the box office after the first week as a better indicator compared to gross profit... The hype and glitz could have a blockbuster film rack up record numbers in the first week, but if its a disappointing experience for fans, it normally tapers out fast over the following weeks as the word gets around.

The Avengers numbers were truly spectacular and it did something unique as far momentum. The Friday numbers were behind the Hunger games and Harry Potter yet by Sunday it blew away every other film by a significant margin. That means that it had great word of mouth and great repeat business on the opening weekend.

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Colin Powell's New Book: War With Iraq Never Debated

Huffington Post

WASHINGTON -- In his new book, former Secretary of State Colin Powell provides what may be the most authoritative confirmation yet that there was never a considered debate in the George W. Bush White House about whether going to war in Iraq was really a good idea.

In a chapter discussing what he calls his “infamous” February 2003 speech to the United Nations where he authoritatively presented what was later exposed as gross misinformation about Iraqi weapons of mass destruction, Powell notes that by that time, war “was approaching.”

“By then, the President did not think war could be avoided,” Powell writes. “He had crossed the line in his own mind, even though the NSC [National Security Council] had never met -- and never would meet -- to discuss the decision.”

The National Security Council, which was at the time led by Condoleezza Rice, is the president’s foremost advisory body for national security and foreign policy.

The book, “It Worked For Me: In Life and Leadership,” which will be released May 22, is largely a series of leadership parables from Powell, who now spends a lot of time on the lecture circuit. The Huffington Post obtained an advance copy.

Bush insisted in his own 2010 memoir, "Decision Points," that the invasion was something he came to support only reluctantly and after a long period of reflection. During his book tour, he even cast himself as “a dissenting voice” in the run-up to war. “I didn't wanna use force,” he said.

But Powell supports the increasingly well-documented conclusion that there was actually no decision-making point -- or decision-making process -- during the events between the 9/11 terrorist attacks and the March 2003 invasion of Iraq, which had nothing to do with those attacks.

Former CIA Director George Tenet made an admission similar to Powell’s in his own 2007 memoir. "There was never a serious debate that I know of within the administration about the imminence of the Iraqi threat," he wrote. Nor "was there ever a significant discussion" about the possibility of containing Iraq without an invasion.

Indeed, history shows that Bush had long wanted to strike out at Saddam Hussein and was trying to link Iraq to 9/11 within a day of the terrorist attacks.

The first concrete evidence was the Downing Street Memos first published in 2005, which documented the conclusions of British officials after high-level talks in Washington in July 2002 that “[m]ilitary action was now seen as inevitable. Bush wanted to remove Saddam, through military action, justified by the conjunction of terrorism and WMD. But the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy.”

An analysis of the historical record by the National Security Archives in 2010 concluded that, “In contrast to an extensive record of planning for actual military operations, there is no record that President George W. Bush ever made a considered decision for war. All of the numerous White House and Pentagon meetings concerned moving the project forward, not whether a march into conflict was a proper course for the United States and its allies. Deliberations were instrumental to furthering the war project, not considerations of the basic course.”

The war, which President Barack Obama officially brought to an end Dec. 31, cost the U.S. government around $3 trilllion, left 4,487 U.S. servicemembers dead and killed more than 100,000 Iraqis. The Pentagon counts 32,226 U.S. servicemembers wounded, but the toll, including cumulative psychological and physiological damage, may be as high as half a million.

In Powell’s explanation of how he came to provide the misleading and inaccurate account of Iraq’s WMD capability at the UN, the former secretary of state points an incriminating finger at Vice President Dick Cheney’s office -- confirming previous reports such as the one by Karen DeYoung, in her Powell biography.

In the new book, Powell describes his reaction to the initial “WMD case” from the White House. “It was a disaster. It was incoherent,” he writes. “I learned later that Scooter Libby, Vice President Cheney's chief of staff, had authored the unusable presentation, not the NSC staff. And several years after that, I learned from Dr. Rice that the idea of using Libby had come from the Vice President, who had persuaded the President to have Libby, a lawyer, write the ‘case’ as a lawyer's brief and not as an intelligence assessment.”

Powell gives himself credit for rejecting continued appeals from Cheney to add “assertions that had been rejected months earlier to links between Iraq and 9/11 and other terrorist acts.”

All in all, Powell acknowledges that the speech was “one of my most momentous failures, the one with the widest-ranging impact.” But he also concludes that “every senior U.S. official would have made the exact same case,”

He adds: “I get mad when bloggers accuse me of lying -- of knowing the information was false. I didn’t.”

The lesson of all this, Powell writes, is to follow these guidelines: “Always try to get over failure quickly. Learn from it. Study how you contributed to it. If you are responsible for it, own up to it.”

But Powell didn’t exactly own up to this for years. His former chief of staff, Col. Larry Wilkerson, first went public in 2005 with details of a secret cabal led by the vice president which hijacked U.S. foreign policy and hoodwinked the president. Wilkerson also argued for years that there was never a formal decision to go to war. Powell conspicuously failed to back him up at the time.

So what does Wilkerson make of Powell’s conclusory lessons? “Powell’s rules are for everyone else,” he told HuffPost on Wednesday.

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Entertainment & Culture Discussion / Re: Post ah movie thread
« on: May 11, 2012, 05:28:26 AM »
You warned Avengers fans to beware of being disappointed, the box office success and early reviews suggests that your concern may have been unnecessary.  Performance at the box office is the only sign of success or failure that really matters.  Fans of the genre could pan or rave about a movie but at the end of the day money is what's required to make a movie and money determines whether it spawns any sequels. 

I didn't get into the money thing because I wasn't in doubt about whether the movie would be a financial success, that was always going to happen. The concern I expressed was a different one, that it could have easily been a disappointing experience for fans.

It didn't happen but not every thing that you wary of happens and its not as if there aren't examples of much anticipated movies being disappointing viewing experiences.

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General Discussion / Re: Barack Obama Supports Same-Sex Marriage
« on: May 11, 2012, 05:16:00 AM »
I doh know nah.............at ah point in time it jus hit mih dat black people should be d last people to be railin against gay rights....not dat yuh shouldn't have yuh opinion...but dat dat opinion should be weighed against our own continuing struggle for understanding and a fair shake in d world.......ah mean wah yuh goh do if you wake up in d mornin had no choice but to sit in d back ah d bus and it once again had whites only on every establishment..........jus sayin

I think that however you reach to the realization is fine, because we all come to these issues with different backgrounds and perspectives. That is a perspective for a fellow persecuted minority to empathize with gays but there are even more basic ways to look at it.

I heard Cory Booker express it really well on a podcast recently. He said that it is not about "gay rights", because then that removes the majority from fighting for the cause and makes it a minority issue, just as the civil rights movement was not about "black rights" and the suffrage movement was not about "women's rights".

He described it being about "equal rights". It is about having a society of equal citizens or a society where you have second and third class citizens. The question that people who want to limit the rights of another group have to answer is whether or not they consider these groups to be equal or less than equal.

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Entertainment & Culture Discussion / Re: Post ah movie thread
« on: May 10, 2012, 06:04:38 AM »

Far from disappointing... I hearing nothing but glowing reviews from friends who see Avengers.  Break the all-time box office opening weekend record, $200 million over the weekend.  Break Harry Potter record.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/07/movies/marvels-the-avengers-top-box-office-record.html?_r=1&src=dayp


I thought it possible that the movie could fail to deliver on the hype and expectation given the the cookie-cutter early trailers. It definitely delivered on the promise of the trailer and got good critical reviews. The money it made is a different issue altogether.

I saw it and thought it was good, not spectacular but I am going back to watch it again and I probably will buy it when it comes to disc. Very similar to the last Transformers (in several ways) the movie was good eye candy, near perfect action design, effects and choreography and a good mix of humour with the action.

I think if you are a big fan of the comic books there are some real sour points but it is nothing unique to this Marvel movie, it is just really emphasized here. But I kinda give up on wanting movies to have a high fidelity to comic book sources. They often don’t have fidelity to other books and plays that they adapt to screen either. I don’t bitch about the LoTR not being faithful to the books, having not read them, so I really can’t bitch about comic book movies doing the same.

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