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FAQ & Crew Meet Up. / South Florida Watching Party!
« on: November 04, 2005, 03:56:30 PM »
For those forumites in s.florida who eh traveling to see de game leh we hook up somewhere that showing the game nah,Tallman you might Know ah place,although yuh could watch it home,real men I sure looking at drinks all night.   

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Football / History of the word soccer and it's origins.....
« on: October 30, 2005, 04:23:24 PM »
Origin of the term ’soccer’.
From where did the term soccer originate? I was puzzling this at a bar in the UK recently while watching a match on the telly, wondering why the rest of the world referred to this game as “football”, while we Americans referred to it as “soccer”. Logically, the rest of the world is right; in American football, the foot only connects with the ball for punts, kickoffs, and extra points — for most of the game, it’s carried or passed, both involving the hand, not the foot. Was the term “soccer” an American creation? How did we get to this name? As it turns out, it’s not an American term, but to understand it, you have to learn a little bit of soccer’s history.

Soccer traces its origins to Roman times in the first century AD. For the most part, it did not involve carrying the ball, hence the rather appropriate name. That split happened at Rugby School in England, where carrying the ball, as opposed to kicking it, came into vogue in the 1800’s, giving rise to the game of rugby. This same century saw the creation of the Football Association, the ruling body for English football. Rugby and soccer went their separate ways, with football under FA rules being called properly “Association Football”.

From here, you have to understand British abbreviations. They would often drop the end of a word, ending it with an -er, e.g. “rugger” for rugby. Hence, Association Football would get shortened to “asoccer football”, eventually being dropped to just “soccer”. In UK media, the term “soccer” is frequently used to refer to the sport, apparently. It’s just in common parlance that it’s not. (Americans would later bring rugby and soccer to Yale and modify the rules, giving birth to modern American football, hence its rather inauspicious name.)

So the term “soccer” isn’t wrong, per se. In fact, it’s of English origin, created around the same time as the game itself, though it is slang. The term has just fallen out of general use outside of the US. If you want to keep from getting beat up at rowdy UK bars, though, you’d do well to refer to soccer as football. Even calling it by its proper name, ‘association football’, might get you an odd word or two. When in Rome, do as Romans do, right?


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Football / Zamora could he be the extra "umph"upfront?
« on: October 30, 2005, 03:59:23 PM »
I'm just trying to compare apples with grapes meaning the english league is by far more superior than most leagues around the globe,so he might add some new dynamics to the squad,let's face it besides stern & latas whoelse has scored goals and generated a pulse rising effect when he touches the ball in attack,I could be wrong and I stand to be corrected,but maybe on the 12th do you think he should start upfront with stern and show us what he's made of,just a thought.

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THE GLOBAL AFRICAN COMMUNITY

H I S T O R Y   N O T E S

BLACKS IN ARGENTINA: DISAPPEARING ACTS

By HISHAM AIDI

Posted by RUNOKO RASHIDI

First published: April 2, 2002

When songstress Josephine Baker visited Argentina in the 1950s she asked the biracial minister of public health Ramon Carillo, "Where are the Negroes?" to which Carillo responded laughing, "There are only two — you and I."

Scholars have long pondered the "disappearance" of people of African descent from Argentina, long considered South America's "whitest" nation. A 1973 article in Ebony asked, "what happened to Argentina's involuntary immigrants, those African slaves and their mulatto descendants who once outnumbered whites five to one, and who were for 250 years 'an important element' in the total population, which is now 97 percent white?"

One history book calls the country's lack of self-identifying black people "one of the most intriguing riddles in Argentine history," while another notes that "the disappearance of the Negro from the Argentine scene has puzzled demographers far more than the vanishing Indian." Was the Afro-Argentine community annihilated by disease and war, or absorbed into the larger white community?

Of course, whiteness itself is relative. Many Argentines who proudly consider themselves white come to America and are shocked to find that in American racial discourse they are considered "Latino," "Hispanic" or vaguely "Spanish," and not white. Says Paula Brufman, an Argentine law student and researcher, "Argentines like to think of themselves as a white nation populated by Europeans. I was surprised when in the US, people — especially Latinos — told me I was not white but Spanish."

Today in Argentina, there is a growing interest in the country's African past and Afro community, "la comunidad Afro," as it's called. The past decade has seen black clubhouses, religious institutions and dance clubs crop up in the capital, Buenos Aires. A group called Africa Vive (Africa Lives), made up of Afro-Argentines, has spearheaded the campaign to raise awareness of the country's Afro-culture and history. At the Durban UN Conference on Racism, Africa Vive presented a widely circulated study about the socio-economic situation of Afro-Argentines. The report documented the high unemployment and difficulties with naturalization that many blacks in Argentina encounter.

"Minorities in Argentina — indigenous, Afro, etcetera — suffer from a problem of invisibility and poor organization," says Mercedes Boschi of the Buenos Aires City's Human Rights Commission, who worked with Africa Vive on the aforementioned report, as part of the municipal government's "Right to Identity" initiative.

So, how many people in Argentina today can claim African ancestry? The numbers are themselves difficult to calculate, says Alejandro Frigerio, an anthropologist at the Universidad Catolica de Buenos Aires. "People of mixed ancestry are often not considered black in Argentina, historically, because having black ancestry was not considered proper. Today the term 'negro' is used loosely on anyone with slightly darker skin, but they can be descendants of indigenous Indians, Middle Eastern immigrants. People in Africa Vive say there are a million 'afrodescendientes' in Argentina. Although many people are not aware that they may have had a black great-grandmother or -father, I think that this is an overestimation. I would estimate that there are 2 or 3 thousand Afro-Argentines, descendants of slaves, 'negros criollos,' 8 to 10 thousand in the Cape Verdean community, most born in Argentina, and I'd add another 1,200 Brazilian, Uruguayan, Cuban and African communities."

Created in 1996, Africa Vive has reached out to Afro-Argentine leaders with the aim of creating an organization that can battle poverty in Afro-Latino communities. It has single-handedly brought media and the mainstream's attention to the plight and legacy of Afro-Argentines.

"Different groups have emerged, including Grupo Cultural Afro and SOS Racismo, but Africa Vive is probably the most important group that has rekindled interest in things African in Argentina," says Frigerio. "It is the main group composed of Afro-Argentines, descendants of the original Afro-Argentine population. Africa Vive has successfully drawn the media's attention — they organized a conference against discrimination at the University of Buenos Aires in 1999, and were written up in an eight-page article in the daily Clarin. The article was significant because for the first time in almost thirty years, the term 'Afro-Argentine community' was used, instead of 'black' community."

Frigerio continues: "Last September, these black groups, led by Africa Vive, convinced a national deputy to organize a ceremony in memory of black soldiers who died fighting for Argentina's independence. The event took place in one of the traditional halls of the National Congress and was attended by the commander-in-chief of the army and the head of state. The national deputy spoke in honor of the fallen black soldiers and then awarded honorary degrees to the heads of several black organizations. It was quite remarkable that such an event could take place in Argentina."

War heroism, in fact, is one reason Argentina lags so far behind in recognizing its people of African descent. Even after the official abolition of slavery, many blacks were still slaves and were granted manumission only by fighting in Argentina's wars, serving disproportionately in the war of independence against Spanish rule and border wars against Paraguay from 1865 to 1870. Blacks were also granted their freedom if they joined the army, but they were deliberately placed on the front line and used as cannon fodder. Historian Ysabelle Rennie notes that the government deliberately placed as many blacks as possible in "dangerous military service" and were sent into batte, "where they got killed off fighting Indians (another race Argentines were interested in exterminating.)"

Argentine sociologist Gino Germani chalks up the "disappearance" to racist immigration policies, saying that the nation's "primary and explicit objective" was to "modify substantially the composition of the population," to "Europeanize the Argentine population, produce a regeneration of races." Marvin A. Lewis, author of Afro-Argentine Discourse: Another Dimension of the Black Diaspora, concurs, saying that "there was an official, concerted effort to eliminate the blacks from Argentine society."

Many have argued that people of African descent simply "disappeared" by mingling into the waves of thousand of European immigrants. Argentine historian Mariano Bosch wrote in 1941 that Italian men had "perhaps an atavistic preference for black women: body odor led them to matrimony and the blacks accepted them as whites," or rather, "almost whites, because the Italian has much African in him, and his color is a dull pale."

"There is a silence about the participation of Afro-Argentines in the history and building of Argentina, a silence about the enslavement and poverty," adds Paula Brufman. "The denial and disdain for the Afro community shows the racism of an elite that sees Africans as undeveloped and uncivilized....The poverty in the Afro community was terrible. Although slavery was abolished in 1813, the death rate of freed blacks was always higher than that of white people and of slaves. Why is that? Because in Buenos Aires, slaves were very expensive, so the masters took real good care of them. Once a black got his freedom, his living standards collapsed even further."

The past few years, however, have seen a growing interest among young Argentines of all backgrounds in Afro-Argentine culture — in tango, the dance and music with such strong West African roots, and other dances such the milonga, the zamba and the malambo. For this, many thank immigrants from other parts of South America.

"Afro-Uruguayan and Afro-Brazilian migrants to Buenos Aires have been instrumental in expanding black culture — teaching Afro-Uruguayan candombe, Afro-Brazilian capoeira, orisha and secular dances to white Argentines," says Frigerio, who has written of various Afro-Argentine cultural movements, including dancing saloons owned by blacks, carnival societies and black newspapers. One such dancing saloon, "The Shimmy Club," was founded in 1922 and lasted until 1974.

Frigerio believes the newfound interest in Afro-Argentine culture is not only the result of immigration but also of a new state policy. In the 1970s and '80s, Argentina was ruled by a succession of military juntas who suppressed and almost eradicated black culture. "The military dictatorships from 1966 onwards prohibited or severely constrained the gathering of people in the street or in closed spaces — a practice which certainly negatively influenced carnivals, which almost disappeared; tango dancing, which died out until it was revitalized in the 1990s; and also black dance clubs such as The Shimmy Club. All genres of popular culture severely suffered during the dictatorships and many almost disappeared, but began resurfacing in the 1990s."

Still, he cautions against too much optimism regarding race in Argentina. "The new laws and institutes help celebrate ethnic diversity and help groups like Africa Vive emerge and operate," Frigerio says, "but they have not undermined the dominant national narrative of racial homogeneity and whiteness." While the racial situation is much better today than it was half a century ago — when a review of Josephine Baker's performance wrote of her "monkey rhythm" — Frigerio says that "today blacks are more exoticized than stigmatized.... What scholar Livio Sansone said of Brazil, we can say of Argentina: there are hard and soft areas of racism, or areas in which it may be advantageous or disadvantageous to be black. In Buenos Aires, being black is advantageous in finding a girl/boyfriend, but less so for finding a job, unless the person is a musician or dance professor."

http://www.africana.com/DailyArticles/index_20020402.htm
 
 

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Football / Let's take action..........
« on: September 27, 2005, 08:40:09 AM »
I Think after reading post after post with respect to how t&t football is being promoted or lack there-of, locally and mostly internationally, we have just on this site only enough forumites to make a difference let our voices be heard. And this is just a suggestion not to downplay any efforts already in progress,but maybe a petition of some sort against ttff listing our concerns is a start.Tallman your views on this together with all concerned is appreciated.     


                                       COULD THIS WORK OR IS IT DESTINE TO FAIL?

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Football / Why can't I find t & t football products on any website?
« on: September 26, 2005, 03:57:17 PM »
This actually struck me as odd when for at least an hour on the net surfing. Every other country including jamaica and panama was available but no t&t, is something wrong with this picture or is just that maybe I need help from the forumites to provide me with the sites.

This will put to rest my conspiracy theory that it's done purposely.............. 

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Football / Foreign players who dis we,should they play if we qualify?
« on: September 21, 2005, 10:06:06 PM »
lloyd samuel/bobby zamora/etc
Fact is, they turned there backs on TT and in my opinion as good a player as they are,......... should TT qualify for Germany, and Mr Samuel or zamora decides that they want to make a U turn and play for TT, the Federation should shut the door in there face!

                                Your Take...........

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Football / dribbling skills!
« on: September 19, 2005, 11:05:49 AM »
how's this for some of TnT's greatest.

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Football / T&T over-40 vs Jamaica over-40 in Florida......
« on: September 15, 2005, 07:31:14 AM »
Has anything like that been done,if so we kick they ass or we lorse.Also maybe we could organsize a rivalry. 

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Football / If we do make it, what's next?
« on: September 13, 2005, 02:25:42 PM »
All yuh think we could beat people at that level,possibly even giving ah good show or are we content with getting there.I remember beenhaker quoting early in the campaign he's not happy with qualifying he wants to win it all,2006 or 2010.       

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I was doing some research and what I saw was tranquility was dominant in the early 70's winning an unprecedented 3 in ah row 73,74,75 also wiining a fourth during that period as well,no team correct me if I'm wrong has yet to duplicate that,they owe most of there success to the great tom phillip ah boss forward. 

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Football / who do you think should start upfront for the panama game.
« on: September 10, 2005, 11:17:31 PM »
Here's a few of my choices:cornell glen defintely a take it to the defense player,scott sealy who happens to have potential as a gary liniker in the making,will compliment glen very well.Also kenwynne jones good skills good ball control in tight spaces,and others I would love to see is jerron nixon great player working down the flanks,and whatever happened to terry st.louis       

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Football / latas goal rank it from 1 to 10
« on: September 06, 2005, 05:32:22 PM »
It was #5 on gol tv out of all the qualifying games played that day around the world........let me what you guys think..

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Football / "problem areas with soca warriors system "
« on: August 19, 2005, 11:32:24 AM »
After looking at wednesdays game I counted 50 back passes made in the first half and another 30 in the second half, that is a recipe for disaster. I can't ever remember the strike squad playing that  brand of football during our quest to world cup 1990, lets face  it if not for kelvin jack and his superb display of goal keeping we would be down by about 5 goals,I don't want to  seem to critical of certain players but this is the world cup bid and the standard has to be high,so lets look at stern john maybe somebody will let me know if I'm wrong in saying has he contributed internationally for the team when they really need him,how many goals has he scored since the start of the concacaf games.Also I'll say it again silvio spann seems to be the only one player who likes to tackle,his overall game is very good,I only see one area of critique with him and that can be addressed.I believe  he should hold on to the ball a little longer sometimes and make more penetration down the middle.I also think chris birchall would be better served playing as a striker he's a quick thinker and a good finisher.let me know your views.

                                                                                                      Thanks.
         

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