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Football / Re: Thread for T&T vs St Kitts & Nevis Games (8-Jun-2021)
« on: May 14, 2021, 12:59:29 PM »
Perfect opportunity for Cummings to be inserted into the lineup if his club will allow him
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Another club player in the making?
Definitely not country. He make a man from Puerto Rico manhandle him for 90mins..... a baseball country handling a man playing in Europe top league for de entire game.
This player is a baller.
Always interesting to hear players reflecting on aspects of their game that they had previously neglected.
At this stage of the proceedings, I wouldn't think twice about Cummings. Bring him! He's a weapon. No pun intended.
He's also a rhythm player.
We could use Kerron in that midfield presentlywhere have you been mate? the la horqetta rangers owner did not release his players to train with the national team so fenwick moved on, can't say that i blame him. i think i heard that just before the team was getting ready to leave for the DR mr ferguson was in a war of words with terry over him not selecting his players, then he challenged terry to a match citing if terry won he would give the national team $100,000.
Curious why he wasn’t even selected
some how i can't get past the childishness of these local trinidadians who hold some influence on that big stone in the atlantic, it's always some rigmarole over the smallest things and in the end it's only the innocent who gets hurt. that is why we languish on the bottom of every sport discipline, these jokers always put their self interest to the fore front and ignore their responsibilities to the nation. you already know the deal.
I guess beatsing is a strong tradition in the garcia family.
It used to be a strong tradition in the "Trinidad & Tobago" family. But sadly, instead of it being honed and used effectively, it seems to have been discouraged by some European clubs.
When fourmites talk about the Trini brand, beatsin' is a great part of our DNA, and part of what they intend to retain.
Sometimes I wonder if/when Non TTians read this site, they might think TT and football is the worse ppl and attitudes in the world. I won’t bother to grab quotes to show what causes me to think so. I know better, and I don’t wish no noise or debate. It’s just a thought.
This is mostly true, but we will always fight an up hill battle as what clubs in their right mind send scouts to our region? We've got a collective population similar to Argentina in the Caribbean but with significantly higher costs of travel, worse infrastructure, worse coaching coaching poor FAs. Our players often go abroad via the US, random agents, and optimistic flights abroad for a trial.
Prior to the pandemic, scouts went everywhere. Besides....technology rendered much of that travel moot. If you’re good.....word gets around. Teams are ALWAYS literally scouring the earth looking for talent. The Caribbean is no exception.
We’re just not good enough. Which is interesting because I’ve heard the perception is players from the Caribbean are athletic, strong, and quick. Characteristics they look for in modern football.
Competition is more stiff today than in Dwight Yorke days......and he was an anomaly.
Today de yute from Maloney Gardens in competition with yutes from Nigeria, Ghana, Japan, etc. Not easy.
As for Mexico....the Mexican league is considered an elite foreign league. At least on par with MLS
Scouts everywhere... but the Caribbean and Oceania. There's a reason it took so long for Joevin Jones and our other players to get discovered. Foreign scouts rarely visit.
Players typically get opportunities overseas through the small number of agents active in the region, or because some team has a Trini/Carib player and takes a chance on their recommendations. When we do well internationally also helps - Yohance Marshall stopping Leonel Messi from 8 yards helped kick off a spate of Central American transfers for example.
Technology hasn't helped us as so few of the FAs actuallly stream games, let alone get accurate stats. It's the biggest issue and one I highlighted 7 years ago (after attending a confidential briefing from Man City's scouting department as part of Football Manager) - the big clubs need that appearance/goals data to run through their software. We can't even get reliable lineups for our games. Global soccer Database have partnered with the National Super League and that has hleped immesurably, but the Pro League is still a total load of crap when it comes to that. How many games did Joevin play in 2012 for W Connection? I can find out how much some random player playing in the 7th tier of English football played in 2009, but we have basically no figures for our top flight.
And what good does that do us if no games are streamed or available to watch? No scouting software has access to our local games, so why would scouts spend several thousands of pounds on the off chance someone's decent here? Scouting in person is mostly the last stage - scouts will see a player in person between 2 and 8 times, but the head of scouting or someone who makes the final decision will see them only once. I'm telling you from personal experience and contacts in the game - it's bloody difficult to know if a Trini player is good or flattering to deceive from outside Trinidad.
I don't buy into the "athletic, strong ,quick" vibe, it's usually a cover for racist attitudes towards black players that have existed for decades. Any country can produce players with those attributes (just think about how many countries, mostly black-majority, this type of stereotype applies to), just check the athletics track - smacks of the old failures highlighed by "Moneyball". One of our advantages is that our youth are blooded in competitive football young and have some of the competitive drives that other nations sorely lack, but often this advantage tapers off as they get old. Unless players leave to get full-time professional coaching this potential dies on the vine, as has happened so many times (Ross Russel Jr., Cyrus, Joevin Jones and Devon Jorsling to an extent off the top of my head).
Competition from abroad would be a non-factor if our youth had a competitive game to develop in domestically, with full time coaches and a full-time job. Even without the English players, Jamaica has been better than us for years now and it's becoming embarassing just how much they have progressed despite the shit-show that their local FA is.
Bear in mind, there is NO domestic football.
THIS 🤞🏾
Beyond that.....no domestic football for over a year.
We delude ourselves into thinking we have this abundance of football talent in T&T.
If that were truly the case, wouldn’t others recognize it and sign them to contracts?
There’s a reason that other than Levi Garcia, not a single one of our players Under 23 have been picked up by an elite foreign club.
From what I've seen....Fenwick brings a lot of perspiration but little organization or structure.
He wants intensity, deep pressing, hustle, from his teams. These are good things.
He doesn't seem however to be able to have any sort of organisation or structure in any third of the field. He eschews the technical in favour of effort and graft.
In other words....what you would expect of a stereotypical English coach.
I agree somewhat, he's a self proclaimed admirer of Terry Venables.
Plus all Bertille St. Clair's team played like that. The structure to them was secondary to man management, pace, power, pressing and supreme fitness. If you listen to the Burdie and Barney podcast when asked about his preferred formation he Bertille couldn't say. He said something akin to Get it, Give it and something else is his philosophy.
Marcelo Bielsa uses a similar idea everywhere he goes and now at Leeds. He loves a 4-3-3 formation with a high, relentless press.
Look at what Terry did when he came to TnT, he shook up the whole league with that style.
If Terry gets the players with that level of fitness he can impress i think but I believe it's a tough one with the national team at the minute.
Fingers crossed
Yeah but does that style of football fit our players and will it produce results for us?
Last time I checked, Leeds placed out of the top 10 ...
This just clearly shows you know little to nothing about football.
Mate, you come on here just spouting bile at everyone if they have a different opinion to you.
Yet you don't know that Leeds was only promoted to the Premier League after 16 years in the Championship and League 1 in the current 2020/2021 season
So you are dead wrong that they "placed out of the top 10", when in fact this is just there 1st season back and they are currently 11th in the table with 9 games to go. This is a great standing for any newly promoted team especially one with no big money spends.
Under Bielsa they play an a stereotypical attacking brand with a high press all synonymous with him.
Hart isn't coming back, get over it!
what style do we have in TT oh looney one? I’m really tired of hearing “our style of football” which is what exactly, run dow the flank and try to beat The Whole defense while losing possession in the process? or is it get the ball in the box and kick as hard as you can when the opportunity presents its self?From what I've seen....Fenwick brings a lot of perspiration but little organization or structure.
He wants intensity, deep pressing, hustle, from his teams. These are good things.
He doesn't seem however to be able to have any sort of organisation or structure in any third of the field. He eschews the technical in favour of effort and graft.
In other words....what you would expect of a stereotypical English coach.
I agree somewhat, he's a self proclaimed admirer of Terry Venables.
Plus all Bertille St. Clair's team played like that. The structure to them was secondary to man management, pace, power, pressing and supreme fitness. If you listen to the Burdie and Barney podcast when asked about his preferred formation he Bertille couldn't say. He said something akin to Get it, Give it and something else is his philosophy.
Marcelo Bielsa uses a similar idea everywhere he goes and now at Leeds. He loves a 4-3-3 formation with a high, relentless press.
Look at what Terry did when he came to TnT, he shook up the whole league with that style.
If Terry gets the players with that level of fitness he can impress i think but I believe it's a tough one with the national team at the minute.
Fingers crossed
Yeah but does that style of football fit our players and will it produce results for us?
Last time I checked, Leeds placed out of the top 10 ...
I watch a lot of these local players and IMO they are quite predictable. In the game of football you have to out play your opponents in every which way, it also includes rapid ball movement in the final third. it’s not always about shooting at goal the first chance you get, sometimes you have to look for the open man and getting a few touches in discombobulating the defense and the keeper which opens up gaps for better scoring opportunities.
I guess what I meant to say is that our players for the most part are one dimensional, and they need to be a little more cheeky and a little less obvious. I hope I didn’t lose you.
what style do we have in TT oh looney one? I’m really tired of hearing “our style of football” which is what exactly, run dow the flank and try to beat The Whole defense while losing possession in the process? or is it get the ball in the box and kick as hard as you can when the opportunity presents its self?From what I've seen....Fenwick brings a lot of perspiration but little organization or structure.
He wants intensity, deep pressing, hustle, from his teams. These are good things.
He doesn't seem however to be able to have any sort of organisation or structure in any third of the field. He eschews the technical in favour of effort and graft.
In other words....what you would expect of a stereotypical English coach.
I agree somewhat, he's a self proclaimed admirer of Terry Venables.
Plus all Bertille St. Clair's team played like that. The structure to them was secondary to man management, pace, power, pressing and supreme fitness. If you listen to the Burdie and Barney podcast when asked about his preferred formation he Bertille couldn't say. He said something akin to Get it, Give it and something else is his philosophy.
Marcelo Bielsa uses a similar idea everywhere he goes and now at Leeds. He loves a 4-3-3 formation with a high, relentless press.
Look at what Terry did when he came to TnT, he shook up the whole league with that style.
If Terry gets the players with that level of fitness he can impress i think but I believe it's a tough one with the national team at the minute.
Fingers crossed
Yeah but does that style of football fit our players and will it produce results for us?
Last time I checked, Leeds placed out of the top 10 ...
I watch a lot of these local players and IMO they are quite predictable. In the game of football you have to out play your opponents in every which way, it also includes rapid ball movement in the final third. it’s not always about shooting at goal the first chance you get, sometimes you have to look for the open man and getting a few touches in discombobulating the defense and the keeper which opens up gaps for better scoring opportunities.
I guess what I meant to say is that our players for the most part are one dimensional, and they need to be a little more cheeky and a little less obvious. I hope I didn’t lose you.
Terry might not be a mancini or a wenger but he has the lads playing organized.
Organized?
Ah wouldn't like to see your interpretation of disorganized
The match was winnable.
Indeed, we WERE winning despite not playing well and despite a player having a genuine opportunity to cement the proceedings to make it 2-0. Yes, there are a litany of problems in T&T football, but players do not need a coach to tell them that the clock is ticking towards the final whistle and that urgency is needed. That was a match in which our wounds were self-inflicted.
If you had said to Hyland, today you all don't have a coach, you pick an XI, go out there and WHIP Puerto Rico' s ass and btw play for pride and don't lose because we have NEVER lost to this territory, how much worse could Hyland have done? Guaranteed the job would have been done and there would have been more attempts on goal.
From what I've seen....Fenwick brings a lot of perspiration but little organization or structure.
He wants intensity, deep pressing, hustle, from his teams. These are good things.
He doesn't seem however to be able to have any sort of organisation or structure in any third of the field. He eschews the technical in favour of effort and graft.
In other words....what you would expect of a stereotypical English coach.
I agree somewhat, he's a self proclaimed admirer of Terry Venables.
Plus all Bertille St. Clair's team played like that. The structure to them was secondary to man management, pace, power, pressing and supreme fitness. If you listen to the Burdie and Barney podcast when asked about his preferred formation he Bertille couldn't say. He said something akin to Get it, Give it and something else is his philosophy.
Marcelo Bielsa uses a similar idea everywhere he goes and now at Leeds. He loves a 4-3-3 formation with a high, relentless press.
Look at what Terry did when he came to TnT, he shook up the whole league with that style.
If Terry gets the players with that level of fitness he can impress i think but I believe it's a tough one with the national team at the minute.
Fingers crossed
Ain pass through in a while and came to say something on the above titled thread. Surprised to find none! Why d stickin? Accept we made a mistake, correct it and let's move on.
Pull Stones be kind to your Friend- It is Holy Week , the man carry his Cross , by Sunday he may experience a Resurrection.
Here we go again with you and your man crush. it’s the same ole recycled bullshit from a mad man and his mad man rants, nothing new here. Steven hart is the ultimate coach even pep and mancini have to bows at his feet. He’s won the gold cup, concacaf champions league, the Caribbean cup and has been to a World Cup. what a coach we have in steven. Please.
Terry Fenwick needs glasses.
Neveal Hackshaw is overweight, slow and is not a left back, Robert Primus is.
Levi Garcia should have been sub.
Duane Muckette should start.
Jabari Mitchell, lord fadda, man need to score and Terry bring on he while Brent Sam, Marcus Joseph and Judah Garcia on de bench.
From what I've seen....Fenwick brings a lot of perspiration but little organization or structure.
He wants intensity, deep pressing, hustle, from his teams. These are good things.
He doesn't seem however to be able to have any sort of organization or structure in any third of the field. He eschews the technical in favour of effort and graft.
In other words....what you would expect of a stereotypical English coach.
FIFA issues World Cup warning to TTFA.Is ok. We good - at least 'I'. Leff we out. Maybe later when the world crisis is in order, allyuh crisis in order and we own internal crises fix, well at least a few of them.
By Joel Bailey (Newsday).
FIFA has issued a World Cup warning to the TT Football Association (TTFA), with regards to its suspension of the local governing body on September 24.
FIFA suspended the TTFA two weeks ago for grave violation of FIFA Statutes. The former TTFA executive, led by William Wallace, missed the September 23 deadline to withdraw its legal challenge to FIFA, over FIFA’s decision to remove the TTFA hierarchy, over mounting debts, and install a normalisation committee, led by Robert Hadad.
FIFA secretary general Fatma Samoura issued a letter, via e-mail, to Hadad on Tuesday, stating that the 2022 FIFA World Cup Concacaf Zone Qualifiers are set to begin in March 2021.
“The organisation of such competition entails complex logistical and operational matters intensified by the covid19 crisis,” Samoura wrote. “In view of this, FIFA has decided that, in order to ensure that proper preparation and planning of the participant teams, if the suspension imposed on the TTFA is not lifted by 6 pm Central European Time (noon TT time) on December 18, we have no choice to exclude the TTFA from participating in the Concacaf World Cup qualifiers.”
If the suspension is not lifted by December 18, T&T will be replaced by Antigua/Barbuda at the 2021 Concacaf Gold Cup qualifiers.
The normalisation committee “has necessarily ceased all operational and management functions over the TTFA” due to FIFA’s suspension of the TTFA membership.
But FIFA insisted “the only legitimate leadership of the TTFA, recognised by FIFA and Concacaf, is the one led by Hadad.”
Let these anxious coaches chill. All the past years coaches doing the job with what they had, practically volunteering, these guys all want they pound of flesh, oops, these days , protein and regulated diet. pardon me. To much issues right now to be cleared up at all levels from management and administration to performance, can't focus on positive competition under these circumstances. Shut it down.
It's all well well and good to be in touch with the world on the internet with computer, up to date with everything, but if there is no current, and T &Tec on a internal fight or close down, we gotta retrain our ppl, rebuild our infrastructure and come again, more resilient than before. Best to be back to play, when it suites us.
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