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General Discussion / Re: Take dat Hillary Clinton ...

« on: January 09, 2008, 08:31:49 AM »

by the way,  how does egg on the face feel?

Whappen yuh gehhin yuh threads tie up? 

Look de link for dah one here:

http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=1866.0

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General Discussion / Re: Take dat Hillary Clinton ...

« on: January 09, 2008, 08:24:12 AM »

Ah eh have dat kinda balance. Fwd ever, backward never! Doh play yuh eh know. If she breathing she could learn. 

I'm a neutral observer. Ah jes saying a lil more than de Swiss would. Commenting on this as on other issues. I eh have no dog in dis fight. Buh if I was canine shopping it wouldn't be Hillary. Then again, that much is clear by now. Not sure how she would perform once I take her home.

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Polls? Selectively useful. It's easy to rubbish polls after the fact, but embrace them warmly when say the UNC loses ... (did I say that?)

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General Discussion / Re: Take dat Hillary Clinton ...

« on: January 09, 2008, 07:42:52 AM »

P.S. Congratulations 'Hilly' ... to coin ah think it was Dutty's term of endearment.

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General Discussion / Re: Take dat Hillary Clinton ...

« on: January 09, 2008, 07:35:05 AM »

doh mind asylum and he shit talk....Hillary eh dead yet,,,,nor is Obama for that matter.

There are those who want every chance for a republican to return to the white house.

I certainy dont want that.

take dat obama!

Ah reach! I knew you would be at this bright and early so look meh here! 

What shit talk? Don't confuse my read with the advertised read of the American media and polling. It would have been wonderful if she were politically dead this morning, but I didn't expect her to be dead this morning. The flex was always going to be Barack and Hillary in the first two places in New Hampshire. And holding that view, I didn't expect Edwards to leave the race, so why would I have expected Hillary's death/departure on a superior showing to Edwards?

I fail to see how my position of preference as between two Democratic candidates translates into "there are those who want a Republican to return to the White House". I guarantee, even "the Republicans" don't blindly want a Republican in the White House. Ask Huckabee.

Buh ah like how yuh modify yuh sentence dey ... "hillary eh dead yet

Even if she doesn't 'die', leh we hope she learns some lessons from this near death experience. The Dem Party could benefit from that. I'm being charitable, but I doubt that is going to be the case based on the way she's going to package herself going forward and based on what I've seen of her less than 30 minutes ago.

Looking further fwd, have a look at the head to head match-ups between McCain and Obama and Hillary and McCain. On present evidence ah cyah see how yuh go get yuh wish.

The New Hampshire Secretary of State's office won't publicize the final numbers until after 9pm tonight, buh you really think the junior senator from New York ought to be wiping the sweat from she face and the tears from she cheeks in the NH primary? Obviously, there's something Hillary was doing wrong ... and that's where my opposition lies.
 

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General Discussion / Re: Take dat Hillary Clinton ...

« on: January 08, 2008, 11:12:55 AM »

Agreed Zandolie. It's more likely a reference to the symbolism of 'the day' than substantive, conclusive refutation of the past.

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General Discussion / Re: Take dat Hillary Clinton ...

« on: January 08, 2008, 12:39:34 AM »

 
Obama and the ghosts of racism
Email|Print| Text size – + By James Carroll
January 7, 2008
 
"THEY SAID this day would never come," Barack Obama declared in Iowa last week, and the ghosts of this nation nodded. With an African-American competing seriously for the presidency of the United States, the last act of a centuries-old drama begins. Obama's blood tie to the story of American slavery, ironically, comes through his white mother's ancestry, which apparently includes both slave owners and those who fought for the Union to end slavery. That Obama's father was a Kenyan links him more directly than anyone could have imagined both to Africa's past as an exploited continent, and to its present, where the bloody legacy of colonialism plays itself out. (Obama's father was a member of the Luo tribe, like Raila Odinga, the leader of the Kenyan opposition, whose people are protesting the recent election.)

In the American memory, slavery and then the war to abolish it are taken to be the two poles of the story, but it isn't that simple. If racial injustice continued to be a hallmark of life in the United States, it was thought to be an inevitable, but essentially unchosen consequence of the "250 years of unrequited toil," in Abraham Lincoln's phrase, that were imposed on kidnapped Africans and their descendants. Nearly a million Americans died in the war to end slavery, and - still in the American memory - the nation has felt badly ever since that slavery's hangover includes discrimination against black people to this day.

The conventional wisdom, given powerful articulation a generation ago by Daniel Patrick Moynihan, is that the plight of African-Americans - from broad family dysfunction, to almost unshakeable poverty, to disproportionate incarceration rates of black males - is a tragic consequence of the social evil that America nobly renounced in the mid-19th century. Black people are socially disadvantaged, according to this narrative, because of the unhealed wound that was inflicted on them across the early centuries. Innately equal, yes, but they have been made a crippled people, which accounts for their still inferior position.

But, as historians like Yale's Harry S. Stout point out, there is a third pole to the story, and it destroys the moral symmetry of the conventional wisdom. First, Africans were enslaved. Next, a savage war was justified by the "freeing" of slaves. Then, in a distinct but insufficiently acknowledged act of the drama, black people were actively resubjugated in the decades after the Civil War. That resubjugation, embodied in a "reconstruction" bargain between North and South, according to which the other purpose of the Civil War, "union," was given priority over "freedom," led to the culture of Jim Crow, radical segregation, and the use of law to keep African-Americans in an assigned place. That actively nurtured system - not the crippling effects of a long-abolished injustice - defines the ongoing American crime.

African-Americans have not been passive victims of this heinous tradition. Blacks led the resistance to it, culminating in the triumphs of the civil rights movement, preparing the way for leaders like Obama. But his arrival, at a level below the surface of whatever policies he advances, calls into question the dominant way in which this nation thinks of itself - not only in terms of race, but in terms of war. After all, the American belief in the righteousness of mass killing for the sake of abstract values like "freedom" springs not from the Revolution, where the killing was relatively slight and the freedom limited to a merchant class, but from the Civil War, where a spirit of total killing was justified by a professed commitment to racial equality that simply did not exist.

In his heart-breaking second inaugural address, Lincoln argued that the "unrequited toil" and "every drop of blood drawn with the lash" would be redeemed by the war, but a month later he was murdered. The quite deliberately constructed aftermath of the war destroyed Lincoln's promise, although Americans told themselves otherwise. They glorified war, while preserving an injustice that war supposedly overcame. That was only yesterday.

Obama embodies more than he can know. "Change" is his mantra, but the potential for transformation goes far beyond the kinds of policies pursued in Washington. Those policies are rooted in assumptions sunk deep into the national psyche, and into the structure of memory that gives it shape. War is not necessarily redemptive. Africans are not necessarily disadvantaged. African-Americans are not mere victims. Race, for that matter, need not be definitive. An old story is offered a new ending - which is the beginning America has been awaiting. The day has come.

James Carroll's column appears regularly in the [Boston] Globe.

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Football / Re: Barbados FA using own website to search for players

« on: January 08, 2008, 12:09:24 AM »

NATION NEWS

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First Word – Football not getting fair deal
Published on: 1/7/08.

by Ezra Stuart

THE NEW YEAR has not kicked off well for the Barbados Football Association with the sudden resignation of long-serving administrator Patrick Beckles and low-key preparations for the prestigious 2010 World Cup finals in South Africa.

Why has Barbados' football, which reached heady heights in 2006, moving 52 places up the FIFA global rankings to 93rd, been allowed to sink to this sorry state? Local soccer is now crawling along at snail's pace with its woes compounded by the unavailability of the dilapidated National Stadium.

Despite being the country's biggest mass sport, politicians have continued to fail football, scoring no goals for infrastructure as Barbados still doesn't have a single decent football field, far less a mini-stadium. It's a shame!

The focus should be on the upcoming World Cup campaign, which must now move into high gear and be energised with proper promotion ahead of the national team's departure for its opener against Dominica in Roseau on February 6.

Only on Saturday I was pleasantly surprised when the Guyana Football Federation unveiled a 19-member World Cup committee with president Bharrat Jagdeo as patron, and Minister of Sport Frank Anthony pledging to mobilise the requisite resources for the campaign to get the team to South Africa.

FIFA vice-president Jack Warner called it "a red-letter day in Guyana" as only a few hours earlier, Digicel had launched their Kick Start Under-20 Caribbean development coaching clinics, featuring the region's biggest football icon, John Barnes, as head coach.

But where will Barbados host Dominica in the return leg in March and the United States in June? Whereas the redeveloped Kensington Oval might be available for the Dominica match as no cricket is scheduled there at that time, the West Indies' Twenty20 night match versus Australia on June 21 might rule out the home leg against the United States at this venue.

It is really baffling that ever since I broke the story in the middle of last year that FIFA had condemned the National Stadium for international play, the relevant local authorities adopted such a laissez-faire approach in starting the remedial work at this widely-used but worn-out multi-purpose facility.

Consequently, not only football, but the local athletics programme and the primary and secondary schools sports are now doubtful to be staged on the Stadium track but rather on bumpy grass fields around Barbados.

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Quizz Time & Facts / Re: International Football Trivia

« on: January 07, 2008, 11:33:11 PM »

Wha yuh relly mean? He played for country A, den played for country B, den went back and played for country A?

Correck. ... then played for country B again.

Robert Jarni (Yugoslavia and Croatia)

Damn good answer Tallman. 

The thing is Croatia's squad did not gain recognition by FIFA until 1992.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport3/worldcup2002/hi/team_pages/croatia/newsid_1791000/1791607.

Jarni played 4 matches for Yugoslavia then turned out for Croatia versus Romania on December 22, 1990 before returning to play for Yugoslavia three more times the following year. He played for Croatia again after that, satisfying the A, B, A, B relationship but the player I'm looking for played for Country A, then Country B, then Country A, then Country B under full international sanction.

http://www.rsssf.com/miscellaneous/jarni-intl.html

I double-checked with the FIFA fixtures and results between Croatia and Romania and the earliest match listed is the match played during WC 1998 and not the 1990 encounter.

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General Discussion / Re: Take dat Hillary Clinton ...

« on: January 07, 2008, 08:48:52 PM »

Leh she cry ...

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Quizz Time & Facts / Re: International Football Trivia

« on: January 07, 2008, 08:38:23 PM »

Alfredo Di Stefano

Yuh eh hit de mark dey omarldinho.

Wha yuh relly mean? He played for country A, den played for country B, den went back and played for country A?

Correck. ... then played for country B again.

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Football / Re: De most Constructive Sweat in TnT

« on: January 07, 2008, 12:58:39 PM »

Trinis is good kicks yes. Constructive sweat? Sound like yuh getting paid, I fully appreciate and miss those pick up games but you know something with all of the contstructive sweats we have going on at any given time, how do they translate to the National game, have we gotten better as a footballing nation, respected by other teams in region, do we dominate in international competition?

How can we channel and improve those players from small goal to World Class athletes?

wha, ya callin for de "Constructive Sweat World Cup" den?

Sounds like a damn good idea ... anybody playing Masters ball? Ah talking in-country and de occasional sweat to other islands for competition?

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Quizz Time & Facts / International Football Trivia

« on: January 06, 2008, 10:35:22 PM »

Name the only player to have represented more than one nation interchangeably/simultaneously.

Ah think ah phrase that right ...

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Football / Re: Maturana takes up senior coaching job.

« on: January 06, 2008, 10:08:37 PM »

Likely the same Colombian fans that wanted him to drop Pibe Valderrama.

Actually, it would seem that HE was the one that didn't want Valderrama on the team, though I'm not sure whether this refers to his first or second stint...

I'm assuming it was his first and he didn't get his way...

Likely the same Colombian fans that wanted him to drop Pibe Valderrama.

Actually, it would seem that HE was the one that didn't want Valderrama on the team, though I'm not sure whether this refers to his first or second stint...

I'm assuming it was his first and he didn't get his way...

There was a perception (justified) that Pibe was a slow player ... too slow to play and control the middle. Maturana resisted the wave of opposition and developed both a rapport and a system supportive of Valderrama/incorporative of Pibe's play. He asked Pibe to work/train ... to do certain things ... to do his part and in retrospect he has indicated that it resulted in Valderrama attaining acclaim for over a decade at the heart of Colombia's midfield by preserving his place in the national team at a time when it could have affected his career trajectory ... He made this point in referring to another player (young player ... name I can't recall) who he had a similar conversation with .... I have no evidence to support the view he ever rejected Valderrama.

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Football / Re: Some positives due the Socawarriors bonus v.s. TTFA World Cup 2006

« on: January 06, 2008, 07:51:16 PM »

FPATT and Weary, I agree with the perspective as expressed by both of you. It has been a while now that I have been noticing the Shaka as saviour sentiment on the forum. The brother is a gifted brother, buh I eh looking for Shaka to fall in as our collective full-time human shield. Keep pursuing the mandate of collective action and decision-making. That's the ticket.

I phrased things as I did b/c  part of what ails us is seeking cover behind personages rather than bravely stepping out as a unit - hence the expectation of some ... Shaka should do this, Shaka should do that. I certainly don't want Shaka over-exposed and I definitely agree with how yuh put this:

I feel that Shaka has a lot to achieve in life and one day he may need to distance himself slightly from FPATT.

Yuh eh see de man make a positive comment about Corneal then another positive about Maturana and some of us can't decipher the environment in which those comments were made. Men does geh crucified jes as easily as dey does geh glorified. Level.

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General Discussion / Re: Take dat Hillary Clinton ...

« on: January 06, 2008, 07:30:11 PM »

West Coast yuh ain't easy  ....

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Football / Re: Maturana takes up senior coaching job.

« on: January 06, 2008, 12:35:20 PM »

Maturana is no good. Bad Pick for T&T. Wim might have been better. Or even Bruce Arena.

i myself would love to hear why maturana is a bad pick myself? based on what?

God is de BOSS....

I wouldn't go as far as to say he is a bad pick. However, all I've been hearing from Colombian and Costa Rican fans is negative. The Colombians seem to consider that he had the most talented side in Colombian football history in 94, and that qualifying was a matter of course - 5-0 thrashing of Argentina in Buenos Aires aside - but that he messed up when it came to the actual tournament, notably in his player selection.
Then his last turn at the helm was pretty short lived as was the case in Costa Rica, where in both cases he was dismissed for caastrophic results.
The only thing that seems to bode well to hear them talk is that he actually is not that far off from being a "Beenie ball" specialist. (whether this is true or not is left to be seen) With a bit of luck he might be able to install the same discipline in the new crop of defenders that Beenie did in the old.

Likely the same Colombian fans that wanted him to drop Pibe Valderrama.

I was waiting for his confirmation in the post to get into the web that is Maturana ... I cyah geh into it full blast now, but I'll say this ... He will tell you he gets more respect outside of Colombia than he does within the country. Ah putting this in abstract terms, buh he's been on the record about this. He doesn't say this tongue in cheek, but the 'tension' is somewhat misplaced because he remains respected and revered within the local fraternity of coaches and by those who have a sense of perspective. Anyhow, the man is a senior figure who goes about his business nonchalantly. He does not get bogged down in the mud.

I don't argue he's not due for some positive outcomes. However, I believe if we provide him with the necessary space and professional environment and attitide he'll be able to produce with the execution of the players. This is a guy who is good at creating/painting a message, a philosophy, a image of what he wants.

The mention of 'man-management' by Lincoln Phillips and others is a quality that has been shown time and time again in his career and will certainly be interesting to watch. No matter what though, we're looking at a very concentrated period for him to get acquainted and acclimatised and we have to balance the future with that in mind.

I think 'we' provide a great platform for him and there's no way his knowledge can be discarded. Generally I have found his defenders more sensible and knowledgeable than his detractors.

Really the term 'defenders' is not accurate because he's not viewed as a polarising figure.

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Football / Re: Some positives due the Socawarriors bonus v.s. TTFA World Cup 2006

« on: January 06, 2008, 12:01:06 PM »

Could we always rely on serendipitous improvements without planning for intentional sustainable advancements in our programs?

  Love it. Yuh ahead of the back or yuh gehhin lapped?

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Football / Re: Some positives due the Socawarriors bonus v.s. TTFA World Cup 2006

« on: January 06, 2008, 11:58:17 AM »

I believe that some disappointments lead to improvement of conditions for the benefit of all the stakeholders.

1) Trinidad and Tobago national team players have an organization to address their interest.  That is  Shaka Hislop biggest contribution to Republic of Trinidad and Tobago.  This goes well beyond the current impass.  I would like Shaka given the opportunity to solve some the serious problems the nation is facing.

2) The TTFA may accidentally discovered a process to exposing unknown players in mass by playing without most of the national teams establish players the year following the world cup.  If I was an establish player I would have appreciate the break to focus on my career for one year. The big question is does TTFA recognized this.

I have wondered for some time now why people automatically assume that Shaka is going to singlehandedly represent the players and tackle TTFF.

Those that have been paying attention over the last 9 monthes will realise that, although Shaka is FPATT president, there are many others involved in the FPATT movement, many others making sacrifices to move things forward and many working hard behind the scenes to make things happen.

FPATT is not a one man organisation. Shaka is building a career after retirement from football and is currently working with ESPN as a presenter. If Shaka decided some time in the future to focus completely on his career, FPATT will not disapear.

 I speak regularly with Shaka, Kelvin Jack, Brent Sancho, Clayton Morris, Mike Townley and Maya McMillan. Between us we discuss FPATT issues and make joint decisions on which course of action should  be taken.

In the future, you will see and hear more of Maya, as she will effectively be running FPATT on a day to day basis. She has already met Jack Warner and Oliver Camps. Any FPATT activities in T&T will be organised by Maya.

Mike Townley is our legal adviser and has worked solidly for over a year on legal matters effecting T&T players. Without his legal expertise, the players would not be enjoying the levels of success they are achieving in their legal battles. Much of this cannot be revealed for obvious legal reasons, but I'm sure you will hear more about this in the future.

Players such as Stern, Carlos, Kenwyne and Tiger are always supportive and make themselves available at their own expense.

Kelvin and Brent are passionate about FPATTs success and are involved in every decision and Brent, particularly, has suffered in his football career, to some degree, due to his focus being more on FPATT than football.

If you cut Clayton "JB" Morris in half, you will see FPATT running right through his body! His commitment and passion is imeasurable.

There are many others who have helped and offered support, including many English footballers, managers and clubs. I have over 30 messages of support from clubs and managers, and some managers have bought tickets for events and then donated them to kids.

FPATT presented a set of football shirts donated by Leyton Orient in the summer to a Trinidad kids team, and we will be presenting a set of Tottenham Hotspur shirts, donated by the club, in the next few weeks to a kids team in Trinidad.

Forum members such as Weary and Fli! have actively assisted FPATT and can take pride in the fact that certain projects have succeeded only because of their involvement.

Similarly, I have received over 100 PMs from forumites offering support and ideas.

So, FPATT is not one man, though without Shakas huge profile, things would be a lot harder.

FPATT is you, the supporters.
It is the players, past, present and future.
In the future, FPATT will be the ProLeague, the amateur clubs, the Government, and one day, the TTFF, all working together to benefit football.

With your assistance and support, FPATT will be Trinidad & Tobago football.

Ah refuse to believe de talk done dey with this authoritative response.     

Anyhow FPATT, it's some variant of waiting for a Moses. Yuh gotta have a Moses to personfiy the movement, ent? Yuh eh see we come from an allegedly non-confrontational society that loves to frame the battle in the context of personalities? For Jack yuh hadda have yuh anti-Jack, ent? Comic book and superhero things. We believe in fighting fire with fire. Only occasionally we do see the wisdom of utilising water or other appropriate retardant.

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Football / Re: Hislop, Phillips weigh in on new coach.

« on: January 04, 2008, 11:37:09 PM »

Shaka is on firm ground. In the first instance he was asked about Corneal. He gave a Corneal-specific response. In the second he was asked about Maturana. He gave a Maturana-specific response. He wasn't asked about Corneal v. Maturana.

Part of the discussion should rest on Fuentes' timing in asking.

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Football / Re: Barbados FA using own website to search for players

« on: January 04, 2008, 01:41:12 PM »

Zeppo, doh feel b/c ah eh use a 'smiley' that I wasn't being sarcastic ... ah doh do it often on de forum, but I am fast learning its benefits ...

Lots of ppl use the word 'soccer' when speaking to Americans so as to avoid confusion or whatever other reasons ... I certainly have never met a South African who has volunteered de word 'soccer' ... buh hey ...

Aussies and NZlanders ah understand why.

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Football / Re: Barbados FA using own website to search for players

« on: January 04, 2008, 10:42:14 AM »

... I don't see that changing anytime soon

Zeppo ah thought you were lobbying Congress to geh de name change ... since iz a big priority and all ...

I thought you understood that the rest of the world is offended by American exceptionalism, and you wanted to do something to help out? Ah tell yuh what dem British coaches ah bounce up in de States doh romp to use 'soccer'. Dey jes ploughing fwd ... ah think dey have more a dem across de US than Mexicans crossing de border.

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General Discussion / Re: Take dat Hillary Clinton ...

« on: January 04, 2008, 10:21:55 AM »

TT, yuh making mih smile man ... buh no comment ... yuh extrapolations questionable doh .... on presented evidence ...

Nonetheless, are you acquainted with Hillary's Republican resume? It's a hoot. From where I am positioned it hadda be significantly deeper than mine i.e. if I have any ... Wha yuh going to do if she reach de White House and yuh find out she's a DINO during her term?

Yuh done know wid you ah hadda geh meh kix ...

***
I suppose you want to know on what basis or bases I do not support her? Leh me know if that's what yuh trying to extract from meh nah man ...

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General Discussion / Re: Take dat Hillary Clinton ...

« on: January 04, 2008, 10:12:58 AM »

Two things ... she packed her bags from DC to move to New York (I mention this because the political distance is not as staggering as the Arkansas sell ... and in fact, it was not then sold as an Arkansas sell, but as a savvy Northeastern corridor sell) ...

and she's still not comprehensively viewed as being from Arkansas (despite the obvious) ... she has sought to play down her Illinois roots because of Barack Obama's Illinois background ... hence she made dampening comments regarding Obama's gains in Iowa (and eventual victory) by characterizing him as the son of a neighbouring state. This is also reflected in other recent events.

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General Discussion / Re: Take dat Hillary Clinton ...

« on: January 04, 2008, 12:13:42 AM »

Watchna ah know plenty going on in tonight's conference call with the NH staff ... heheheh

Den when de inner circle reach back to de inner sanctum is jes dis dey on ... den when she and Bill retire to de inner, inner sanctum is

Pyrrhic victory or not, that hadda be priceless ...

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General Discussion / Re: Take dat Hillary Clinton ...

« on: January 04, 2008, 12:00:38 AM »

This was necessary ... ah eh say it was sufficient ... leh we talk after New Hampshire nah ... Hillary composure ruffled right now ... listen to de rhetoric she start to use already ... dahs alright ... ah want her to unmask de real Hillary ...

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General Discussion / Re: Take dat Hillary Clinton ...

« on: January 03, 2008, 10:57:11 PM »

Buh look, dis is de best news coming out of Kenya all week ...  son of a son of the soil wins the Iowa D caucus

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General Discussion / Re: Take dat Hillary Clinton ...

« on: January 03, 2008, 10:52:32 PM »

asylum, I always knew yuh was republican leaning.

I am not de sort of fella to lean ...

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Football / Re: De most Constructive Sweat in TnT

« on: January 03, 2008, 10:38:49 PM »

 

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Football / Re: Terry Joseph dies at 60

« on: January 03, 2008, 10:28:08 PM »

Respect due

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Football / Re: Barbados FA using own website to search for players

« on: January 03, 2008, 10:20:45 PM »

Yeah, I was also wondering about the 'Braves' thing ... ah know there was some discontent on the island with the 'Rockets' label or whatever they were called ...