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Football / Re: Thread for T&T vs Jamaica Game (11 & 14 of March-2023)
« on: May 25, 2023, 03:28:58 PM »
Thanks for this. I enjoyed this. Unfortunate we couldn't get back to level A
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[/b]Leave on good terms and don't burn ur bridges. Don't set a precedent for black managers to be seen as opportunists.
The standard is not d same as in England. Apple and oranges really.
Jah bless rastafari
What precedent? Black managers will always be far and few in between. When it comes to picking manager/coach, it is most of the time the owners prerogative. We may disagree with his tone. But he spoke his mind. But it has to be something that triggered him off. Maybe he was demanding effort by the players, which they were not able respond too. The only thing I see in this case, is that the shoe is on the other foot. Let's see if he can adjust to that.
Perhaps Anton is Jim Henson and Hadad is _______.
Allyuh ain't see dat French women's team boy. Oooh Guude
Our men's NT could learn some things from them. I sincerely think they could beat our men.
They don't need men strength. They let the ball do the work. They are skillful, intelligent and play fast.
Wow
Ah wanted Spain to poison England ... now I'm hoping Sweden can deliver the sobering dose. France emerging against Germany won't be straightforward but I hope it happens.
When one thinks of the names not on the pitch or in the French squad, iz hard not to take notice.
🔥 🔥 🔥 bun England and that non-diverse, meat and potatoes, "unidimensional" efficient Brexit squad.
When the FA shows some commitment to diversity on this side of the game, post-Aluko, ah might entertain dem ...especially if I've had 2 days rest vis-à-vis my opponent and the desire to relive the 1966 WC final on the women's side.
England wants to win two WC trophies in the same calendar year. If that's to be, let it be hard fought.
Allyuh ain't see dat French women's team boy. Oooh Guude
Our men's NT could learn some things from them. I sincerely think they could beat our men.
They don't need men strength. They let the ball do the work. They are skillful, intelligent and play fast.
Wow
Ah wanted Spain to poison England ... now I'm hoping Sweden can deliver the sobering dose. France emerging against Germany won't be straightforward but I hope it happens.
When one thinks of the names not on the pitch or in the French squad, iz hard not to take notice.
I honestly don't know where David is going with this.
The path he usually trods.
Placing aside considerations grounded in the law, consider that DN is arguably the most distinguished AU soccer alum and is the father of an accomplished AU soccer alum. Many institutions turn to pedigreed alum without collegiate head coaching experience as hires for programs. A lot of times that happens with a nod and a wink and an adulterated selection process in which the job is the candidate's to lose rather than to gain. Clearly, here there was no inside track for DN ... although one may have existed for someone else.
Institutional discretion and standing aside, there is a pot worth stirring here. And, arguably, this suit seems to have influenced AU's sensibilities regarding minority hiring ... particularly vis-a-vis the hiring of the women's coach.
There's a lesson in this already for AU.
The Olympics are not just about avid athletics fans. Thousands across the globe only tune in once the Games are on ... especially for the 100m finals. So the avid fan versus casual fan distinction is less pronounced every four years. Time difference may also be a factor.
Reading criticism of NBC's coverage in YouTube comments reveals some familiar complaints regarding coverage bias (swimming and gymnastics over track etc). One particular comment was hilarious: it referred to a pole vault commentator opining "Ooo that was a high vault" as being indicative of inferiority analysis.
We hear similar inanities from former USWNT players during football coverage, especially during the WWC. Often nuance is lost.
I viewed a clip of Ato providing nuance to his colleague regarding why ETH was not conceding lane assignment based on her approach to the prelims versus the approach to come in the semis. That comment separated Ato from the pack.
Another factor may be due to outlets like i95.5 not having a team on the ground. However, I think the vibe reflects what is happening in the events. Having looked at times and distances delivered, I think the public knows we salt.
I'm curious what AB thinks about the bid that sought to add MLA to the 100 final.
I think Eve's inclination towards pragmatism caused him to lose very "gettable" points in the end though he would still got fair showing out of the team not good but fair, Fenwick's style and temperament just does not suit this team, result aside, If you looked with an unbiased eye yuh could kinda see "sumting" coming together......kinda....still think he needs to be braver, but yuh could kinda see "sumting", whether it real or mirage should be tested, IMHO, can't say that I could see "sumting" with Fenwick results aside, d players seemed uninterested or a little annoyed on d few occasions yuh could judge facial expressions from d footage of games, dat cyah be ah good signwhether it’s fenwick, fister or hart, these lads want a friend to pat them on the back, not a coach to prepare them to play for their country. I want to know were they disinterested playing for lawrence as well thus the reason they lost 17 games in succession? this international football is not about some prima donnas coming together to lime with the boys and hustle some match fees and head back to their clubs, this is about pride in the uniform. just look at quoto, Quintero and zardes how those guys go out and kill themselves for the shirt, you think they give a damn about who’s coaching them? no, it’s all about the shirt and the fans who travel thousands of miles to see them play. our lads could give less than a damn about that ttfa logo on their uniform, or the flag for that matter, in fact it’s all about them.
in the absolute beginning no maybe not, as tings progress yes, Trinis have fragile sensibilities, annoyingly so, for d most part, Trinis unfortunately like winners and "advantage ting" so Lawrence's collapse to abject failure would have lead to d same said loss of confidence/interest, with Hart it was blatant undermining by d new Admin to get local club players in the team even though it had been proven time and time again dat dem fellas couldn' deal with d pace required by Hart.
did Eve fail, yes, can dat failure be interpreted as abject?, eye of d beholder ting dat, but as I said, I could kinda see "sumting" dey, for whatever dat is worth, can I be proven wrong? yes.....but at dis stage ah willing to find out.
Just want to say that it's more than "something". He clearly has ability as a coach--proven. He certainly cares about the players, staff, and the wellbeing of the country, which is extremely important. He certainly can motivate players and get the best out of them.
Now his over cautious approach to the games (because of fitness and the personnel available to him), was clearly the wrong approach. Too much respect for those opposition. A stronger attacking force certainly puts teams on their back foot.
But it is certainly more than just "something".
As I said somewhere else, I think he is nearly ready, but lacks either courage or belief to make the riskier choices
aka: wanting the job and planning to defend that desire "on his record".
An doh disagree with the thrust of your contribution.
I think Eve's inclination towards pragmatism caused him to lose very "gettable" points in the end though he would still got fair showing out of the team not good but fair, Fenwick's style and temperament just does not suit this team, result aside, If you looked with an unbiased eye yuh could kinda see "sumting" coming together......kinda....still think he needs to be braver, but yuh could kinda see "sumting", whether it real or mirage should be tested, IMHO, can't say that I could see "sumting" with Fenwick results aside, d players seemed uninterested or a little annoyed on d few occasions yuh could judge facial expressions from d footage of games, dat cyah be ah good signwhether it’s fenwick, fister or hart, these lads want a friend to pat them on the back, not a coach to prepare them to play for their country. I want to know were they disinterested playing for lawrence as well thus the reason they lost 17 games in succession? this international football is not about some prima donnas coming together to lime with the boys and hustle some match fees and head back to their clubs, this is about pride in the uniform. just look at quoto, Quintero and zardes how those guys go out and kill themselves for the shirt, you think they give a damn about who’s coaching them? no, it’s all about the shirt and the fans who travel thousands of miles to see them play. our lads could give less than a damn about that ttfa logo on their uniform, or the flag for that matter, in fact it’s all about them.
in the absolute beginning no maybe not, as tings progress yes, Trinis have fragile sensibilities, annoyingly so, for d most part, Trinis unfortunately like winners and "advantage ting" so Lawrence's collapse to abject failure would have lead to d same said loss of confidence/interest, with Hart it was blatant undermining by d new Admin to get local club players in the team even though it had been proven time and time again dat dem fellas couldn' deal with d pace required by Hart.
did Eve fail, yes, can dat failure be interpreted as abject?, eye of d beholder ting dat, but as I said, I could kinda see "sumting" dey, for whatever dat is worth, can I be proven wrong? yes.....but at dis stage ah willing to find out.
Verdict?Is he the man for the job? We are running out of matches to know for sure. Only one left and the findings are inconclusive at best. He could be.
It is why a few weeks ago, in response to a question posed by Anbrat, I suggested that there could be a renewed interim period.A word of caution to the NC:On what basis should the Interim Head Coach be engaged?
Do NOT commit to engaging the Interim Head Coach on a full-time basis based exclusively on performance/qualification/ tournament progress/ other similar configuration.
I'll respond in possibly two parts. One here and the other, if necessary, separately.
The range of requisites and considerations for fulfilling the interim role are exceeded by the range of requisites and considerations for the longer-term position. Progression through the tournament should be a discussion starter, rather than constitute securing of the longer term role.
Substantive response
The first concern is a durational concern: what period should the interim appointment span. Tied to this is defining the precise objective of the interim appointment and the precise benefit sought.
Proposition 1: The interim period should be narrowly construed and construed as narrowly as pragmatic.
The Gold Cup Preliminary Tournament spans July 2 - July 6. The Gold Cup runs from July 10 - August 1. The absence of an appropriate transitional period between July 6 and July 10 suggests that the interim period should contemplate the Preliminary Tournament and the Gold Cup.
If qualification for the GC does not occur, the start of the identification process for a permanent NT coach would and should be triggered on either July 2 or July 6. If GC qualification occurs, the date on which the longer-term identification process is triggered is dependent on the date of GC exit.
Proposition 2: During the interim period, the selection committee should be engaged in orienting itself with alternative candidates for the FT role. It is not necessary that the interim coach have an interest in the longer-term position or be considered for the longer-term role. Indeed that parameter must be defined, either positively or negatively at the outset. It has to be clear. Regardless, that parallel process should be engaged in as a contingency.
The NT appointment is a multiyear assignment and project, of which we can be beneficiaries due to our early elimination. We are 1.5 years away from the start of the Qatar WC and 3.5 years before the 2026 cycle. That's better than borrowed time.
Proposition 3: The larger quantum of that time we use sensibly the better (tied to Proposition 2).
The GC tournament is a solitary event similar in format to the actual WC and demands many of the management challenges tied to a WC. As such, it is a reasonable template for observation of decision-making. However, the focus of the hire should be on a candidate who can progress the competencies and sophistication of the team in keeping with the modern evolution of the game. That is, beyond results, the hire is charged with transformation. If the hire is not a transformative hire, we would be squandering borrowed time. Ground floor transformation. Transformation of culture. Root and branch transformation.
Twinning continuity in the gig merely on the basis of progression through the tournament would be short-sighted because that would ignore some critical dimensions of the job not implicated during the tournament and ignore concerns that ought not be ignored within the dysfunction of the present football ecosystem.
The FIFA windows for 2021 are August 30-September 8 and October 4-October 13.
Proposition 4: The assignment of the longer-term role should commence during the first of these windows.
That is an on balance call, a question of interpretation and the subject of cost-benefit analysis.
The alternative assignment of the longer-term role would be the January 2022 window. In which event, there could be more than one interim appointment. That may seem inefficient or counterintuitive, but it yields a prospective benefit. However, as a caveat, in terms of timing, it should be considered that mid-year assignments tend to limit the pool of best qualified candidates. That stated, timing is not an insurmountable hurdle if the identification of the eventual candidate is targeted strategically.
I am of the view that Eve's tenure as NT coach should be extended. I can make a case for his continuation and I can make a case against it. However, on balance + nuances, I am of the view that his tenure should be extended with parameters.
Also, there should be comprehensive post-tournament reports submitted for review (technical, logistical, administrative, medical etc.) to the NC, not merely celebration of the points accumulated.
This one not so good.
http://www.dailydeports.pw/ch-20.html
Try stream 2 on this
http://play.freestreams-live1.com/fs2-tv/
We will get something from this game tomorrow.
Love your optimism. The guys and Staff believe in each other. I think that factor plays a HUGE role.
My caveat lies in the fact that they played a superior team in Mexico than they will in El Sal. But you see that as a strength. psychologically, that is much harder to manage. To play that hard and keep such concentration at such a high level is tough. Let's hope they can do the same; albeit, with a different strategy tom.
Something I found interesting watching the game on Saturday.
This was the first time for a very long time I saw a T&T team play a top opponent and we looked like a Leo Benhakker side.
I do not know if Eve was a fan of this man as he was quite polarising, but we played the number 11 team in the world with all their stars in a competitive game and we did not look outclassed.
We were a solid, compact unit that played a game of competitive football.
We did not look jittery, we did not look like we were hanging on for dear life. We did not look outclassed.
We gave up a lot of possession, but that will always happen vs Mexico.
When anybody plays Barcelona or City, it does not look very different.
Our goalkeeper made some great saves, but I have seen games where we get trounced and the keeper makes more saves than we saw on Saturday.
This speaks to the greater unit. And also to Angus Eve and his staff for prepping the team.
So the question to ask is - when we play this style, with a Technical Staff who can prepare us to play like this, we can be competitive with the likes of Mexico, England, Sweden etc. If however we switch it up and try to play open, we get results like what Bertille St Clair got when Mexico beat us 4-0 in ~2000. That game could have ended 4-4 as we went out to attack Mexico, but fact is it did not.
I for one much prefer this approach. No more 0-6 defeats vs the US please.
Now the real challenge for Eve and co. is how to approach El Salvador and Guatemala. In theory now we come out a bit more...
I have always felt that T&T plays well on the backfoot and counter-attacking into open space, versus a team that sits back and invites US to be creative. This is why we tend to match up well vs Mexico, but sometimes struggle against some Caribbean nations. We are the Crystal Palace of CONCACAF.
Good luck tomorrow fellas!
PS - the better we do in this tournament, the better chance we have of getting future friendlies with all 8 CONCACAF squads for the upcoming WCQs -- as Jamaica is in that mix.
What a waste ah time.Has Messi ever won the Copa America with Argentina.
The last time Argentina won the Copa America Messi wasn't known across the globe (he was a 6 year old). And it was their last title of significance. Simeone was playing still.
In all those years he hasn't made a damn difference.
I guess beatsing is a strong tradition in the garcia family.
Seems like we are approaching the need for a new challenge.