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Like nobody notice U-20 T&F going on in Nairobi. Just by chance flicking thru the channels that I got it on nbcsports. They are about 8 hrs ahead. A 17 year old JA won the women's 100 in fine style. 11.08. A Namibian yuteman won the men 100. A Grenadian and a Cuban were the Caribbean rep, I think the Cuban came in 3rd. That's all folks.
Bro I noticed it. When I seen we send 3 athletes (I believe around 10 had standards), I say wtf going on. Bertrand exited in the semis. The hurdler in the 400m dns. It is starting to get depressing now.
How is it that we can send competitors to Kenya, but U-14s cyah reach a neighboring island?
And isn't there a U-23 volleyball tournament in Mexico?
Haven't looked at the specifics, but let's say '10' is accurate ... do you think any sort of conversation would have taken place with the non-travelling standard attained?
Like nobody notice U-20 T&F going on in Nairobi. Just by chance flicking thru the channels that I got it on nbcsports. They are about 8 hrs ahead. A 17 year old JA won the women's 100 in fine style. 11.08. A Namibian yuteman won the men 100. A Grenadian and a Cuban were the Caribbean rep, I think the Cuban came in 3rd. That's all folks.
It's possible to get. It might be easier if one of the parents gets a TT passport first.
Do you personally know of anyone who get a passport without having at least one Trini-born parent? Is T&T so anything could happen, but according to the law, one of the parents must be born in T&T.
Unlikely that he'll get a work permit
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I don't think he is eligible, because it's through his grandparents. Just like Inniss and McKenzie. And up to now me eh see nobody like that get a passport. So we'll see.
GOP, please, forget about that lil boy, he's not even worth mentioning. when ever grown folks have a difference of opinion and there's no way forward in terms of constructive dialogue, and bad manners finds it's way into the discussion and becomes their first option, then these are people to avoid.
in reality controversial and ABtrini is the only two people i have ever insulted on the forum and only because they are relentless in annoying the members. but prior to this unpleasant encounter i had no reason to mix it up with sando, in fact i've stayed clear of him for the most part simply because he seemed to very aggressive and ill mannered, so i avoided him altogether, i guess i should have continued along those lines and ignored his aggression, i guess first impressions should never be abandoned.
you have real patience fam, unlike me. as soon as I saw him all up under ato’s hood I knew he wasn’t worth the effort, not to mention he keeps saying the same bullshit over and over again “unrealistic expectations every four years and after the world games…old man old man old man” now he’s pretending that ato’s only criticism was directed towards the forum members, which only a small portion of his post mentioned the forum, but he ignored a whole article which was specifically aimed at not only the TTO but all sporting federation that send athletes to the olympic games, saying the exact same thing that I have been preaching for years.gawd on pitch aka drama boy we are waiting on the more drama you say going to happen. You said wait for more drama so we waiting.
Because last few days all I am seeing is the usual after Olympics crying from the few old men in here
What is the drama? Another long facebook post from Ato?
At some point the country will get used to Ato after Olympics/ World Champs social media outbursts. It will just be another one from him.
We are waiting on the drama you seem to be worked up about.
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Okay Sando, no drama I was wrong. . Your wisdom is God like. .
Now back to the more progressive and constructive aspects of this topic, I think putting more emphasis on the women's program is important. Our women are yet to win a medal. For Jamaica and Bahamas it has traditionally been the opposite. Meaning that there might be barriers in TT preventing women from pursuing track.
Another thing to consider is the emphasis on the 100m. Too many times I have seen at the national championships, 4 and 5 sections for the 100m and not even 5 athletes for one heat of a 400m or 400mh
Start by putting more emphasis on the 400m then push the kids into 100m and 200m.. and even hurdles.
I'm a believer that introducing the 400m before the 100m, will create better and produce more sprinters. Something about teaching sprinters to run the full track at a young age, helps them measure and manage their race better especially when they go down to the 200 and 100. Also the endurance and stamina needed always helps. The 400m is a good foundation.
people like him sit on a forum and run his mouth continually criticizing people he’s never met, but ask him if he’s ever volunteered his time to any cause? and it might be that he did, but I seriously doubt it. I have been volunteering my services for years coaching children on weekends back in the midlands, and now that I’ve moved to america I’m actually in the process of building a top notch coaching school in trinidad geared towards teaching the game properly and has been liaising with the government and curtain NGOs to get this program off the ground.
we have already done the ground work and has diagnosed the impediments in local football, now it just a waiting game ATM. a few years ago an Italian club wanted to collaborate with a few caribbean countries to develop an academy but had some trouble with the TT delegate, not to mention that things fell all the way through, I believe they were getting better current from the jamaicans but I did not follow up being extremely disappointed at the way things…….did not work out.
so let this little dirty mouth boy continue to talk trash, I’m figuring that’s all he has going for himself anyway so i’m gracious enough to let him have it. in the mean time i’ll continue to offer my knowledge and if people find me annoying and out of sorts then they could kick rocks for all I care. my main objective is to harass these bloody lazy trinis who gets paid to further damage the country, if only there were real journalist in that country like mr jennings.
gawd on pitch aka drama boy we are waiting on the more drama you say going to happen. You said wait for more drama so we waiting.
Because last few days all I am seeing is the usual after Olympics crying from the few old men in here
What is the drama? Another long facebook post from Ato?
At some point the country will get used to Ato after Olympics/ World Champs social media outbursts. It will just be another one from him.
We are waiting on the drama you seem to be worked up about.
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Sando Prince, how is it that you and Ato concur ... but Ato delivers constructively and you deliver destructively?
Old man energy on an internet forum
Yuh turning into a rell troll or what now. .
Pullstones, there are about 3 articles in TT Newsday discussing the same matter. In a way I see what Sando saying. . This uproar at the end of the games is becoming the norm.
Ato called out the TTNAAA big time. The TTNAAA ran away like a dog with their tails between their legs and refused to comment about Ato's comments. Like I said previously, if Ato was to get involved, and had say, more than half of them jokers in the TTNAAA will be out of a paycheck.
More drama coming with this. Yuh go see
How long should we wait for this so called more drama?
Just another long usual after Olympics/World Champs facebook post from Ato is the only drama you going to get or can expect.
But we waiting for this next drama you excited about
Old man energy on an internet forum
why don’t that tosser from sando call ato an old complaining nuisance? after all he basically repeated my exact sentiments, he’s here complaining about our failure at the olympics and the lack of developmental programs together with the cluelessness of the respective federation presidents in charge of these sport disciplines, and he’s not on the forum like he used too be and he’s up in age like I am, or is it that they love to jump on people they don’t deem as important?I was waiting for Ato to speak about the performance. I know he wasnt going to hold back.Good for him. It's the sport he's passionate about and was outstanding at the highest levels. He of all people has the cachet to put them on blast.
Absolutely. These guys running the show do not want to be told what to do. Especially from someone who has that cache. They would rather have people around who keep them in they comfort zone.
what ato said could easily apply to any sporting body in TT just like I have outlined in recent times, and he’s 100% correct. it’s a bunch of self important unconscionable clueless trinis who’s in charge of sports on that island, and the majority of them are without degrees or qualification to hold down these portfolios, yet their friends and former colleagues in the sport has given them the vote of confidence to further destroy the sport. how many years must the public suffer as a result of nepotism.
a perfect example was angus eve’s performance at the gold cup, his friends in the sport like Clayton Morris and the fearless one has given him a passing grade to continue although he has won not a single game in the gold cup while losing out to guatemala a game he should have won. if terry fenwick had done what he did vs mexico the whole country would have been inundated with negative comments claiming how it was the worst game we ever played, but since it was one of their good friends they claimed it was a brilliant strategy. this is the rubbish we TT supporters have to contend with from these so called sport legends and vision less administrators,
and there are fools who’s claiming that we shouldn’t expect any better because that’s the norm, and only because you don’t frequent a section of a certain message board you shouldn’t complain, oh yeh? well is time to change the norm says not only me, but the king of track and field in trinbago, a man with 4 Olympic medals.
I was waiting for Ato to speak about the performance. I know he wasnt going to hold back.Good for him. It's the sport he's passionate about and was outstanding at the highest levels. He of all people has the cachet to put them on blast.
1. I remember stumbling upon the existence of/the coming of World Junior Champs. Saw a reference to it in a running magazine. Other than that WJC seemed to be a secret activity from the T&T perspective. The magazine had a list of the World Junior records and qualifying standards. That was a 💡 moment because prior to seeing that info I had insufficient to NO context on what times were to be targeted in my age group or were realistic beyond T&T airspace. I knew what the pros were running as a distant reference ... mixed in with some optimistic notion that junior level numbers should/would whittle over time. Shouldn't someone have been informing me?Good points there Asylumseeker.
Would have been a different experience for 1/4 milers and lower. Other than that, it was a desert.
2. We might not have been lighting up medal ceremonies at the Olympics but world-class runners were frequently in T&T and they were all very approachable and easy to engage. And that counted for something.
Contrast that with a lack of mentorship among locals. Not a nurturing scene really. It was sink or swim or quit or prepare.
1. Some schools have more or less killed "Sports Day" ... with that in progress, how much prestige or influence could athletics bodies have at schools or in the country? Athletics bodies should be lobbying and raising awareness and heightening the prestige of T&F. However, there seems to be a limited view of the level of activism required.When I was in college my roommate for 2 years was on the track team and he was from JA. His friend from secondary school in JA transferred in from TCU and was on the track team as well. I also had a teammate on the football team from JA and the 4 of us would lime in my room at nights and often times they would speak about the biggest track and field event in JA secondary schools, "Champs". According to them it is the granddaddy of all track and field events. Packed stadium each day, seemed like everybody and they mammy showed up. The atmosphere they described didn't come close to secondary schools sports day in the Hasely Crawford stadium and that used to be a big thing.
Athletes would like seats filled and fans applauding, but if there are next to no fans, at a minimum they would like to have events at which to participate.
Woeful situation.
They also used to tell me about Marc Burns and Richard Thompson, they had nuff respect for them in the words of my roommate "dem men dey tuff mi yute....bombaclaaaaaaaat"
So I was talking to my good friend Mike Grayson about the situation. He also ran track for QRC in its hey days early 70s. Everything everybody is saying about TT T&F is correct. He said that ethnic demographics is one part of a number of problems. It causes the talent pool to shrink. He said we have to get the other half of the population to encourage their children to participate in sports. He does not see why. If they could run jump throw back in cricket like everyone else, why not football, basketball, swimming, TF, rugby, etc.
He said people always comparing us with JA. That is a reasonable argument. Their talent pool is huge compare to TT. Their primary school system has massive local and regional participation is sports.
Plus there is the issue to TT primary school system. He said a substantial amount of primary schools don't have schools sport or particpate in local area school sports. He is not even sure they have PE. In addition, when common entrance comes around most parents want their children "beating book" and taking lessons for a spot for high school not playing sports. Carnival already consume a lot of the nations energy, it is too much for country with a small talent pool.
He alluded to high schools where football is the primary goal for the yutes because of potential pro contracts or scholarships. yes, there is TF scholarships but football grabs their attention. He mention that while coaching at St. Augustine and Arima, many a times he saw some of these players as good prospect for TF. But they stuck with football.
There are issues of funding, accountability, qualified coaches and many more. Where to start is the question. We only have 3 years for Paris.
mate you’re wasting your time with a fool, and I’m not calling him a fool because he’s a tool, I’m calling him a fool because he is. just listen to his rationale, we don’t normally do good at athletics and our failure over the years is ample proof, well duh, of course we’re not gonna win anything at any sports disciple because as I said repeatedly our sports administrators suck, and not only them but our ministry of sports also suck as well as the corporate sector who has failed miserably to invest a penny in any sport developmental programs with the exception of cricket.I am not going to waste my time like you in here bro. I never had any expectations for T&T doing well. Since Ato was running for T&T how well was the team doing? He was the only one winning medals. You guys pretend T&T at some point was a good Track and Field nation because of what exactly? winning one medal every Olympics? After 1976 we did not win a medal until 1996 so how is this new? and every Olympics the ones who do not follow and understand come with absurd expectations for medals.
This was my last comment.
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You're right about that Sando. But you're wrong about "you"not having any expectations. Check your past posts in the track and field forum. I'm just saying. .
So tell me why do we even bother to attend the Olympics, the World Cup qualifiers, the gold cup or CCL if we’re gonna lose? in fact why even waste money trying, better yet why not defund the sport ministry and redirect funds to more pressing areas like health or education and forget sports altogether? by saying well I don’t expect us to win anything because we only win a medal every ten years, is piss poor thinking, when the real discussions (by someone who actually use their brains) should be, why not fire everyone involved in our sporting discipline and hire people who actually know how to develop athletes, footballers, basketballers etc and put our tax and oil dollars to use?
TT needs to stop this retarded notion of “let we give we own local good ole boys a chance instead of running to foreigners” and actually invest in developmental programs for sports men and women. we have the money now all we need to do is build the facilities and hire real dedicated capable people to develop our athletes and quit with this local vs foreign bullshit.
I don’t have a problem with locals involvement in sports, but they must be well qualified and have experience in other countries gaining valuable knowledge of their sporting discipline, but don’t bring me some jealous minded big mouth boy who just looking for a job but never even left the island to study abroad but wants to be highly considered, IMO that’s been what hamstringing us for decades.
I believe we should make it mandatory for every sport administrator to have experience elsewhere and a degree in their respective field to even apply for the post, same with coaches, you must have all your qualifications by international standards and you must spend time in a solid league plying your trade in order to come home and stand any chance of teaching our children.
we should have a no nonsense approach where no shit hounds are allowed to just walk in and find employment. and until we are critically serious about sports, then we will be losing every time we step out to compete and have the mind set that we’re not expecting anything great to happen because it usually don’t, and it usually don’t because we don’t prepare well or put in the work to ensure success, and that’s all that’s about.
BTW jamaica used to be just like us winning medals now and again, that is until they decided to invest heavily in athletics, their efforts are now paying dividends, just ask yourself which US college did usain bolt attended? his development started and ended right there in Kingston, him and quite a few athletes who are all accomplished Olympians.
so don’t study those fools who living in trinidad, they’re all extremely insecure and when faced with outside competition their nepotism and xenophobia jumps out like a wild cat trapped in a closet, just listen to that dunce sando, all he have is a bitter venomous colloquial tongue, but could offer no sensible advice, just insults, what a wank job.
Pull Stones I will not even waste time with you old man. Keep your old dry stones in your hands and apparently in your mouth. If you do not understand my posts is telling people like you why YOU care when YOU really dont care and dont know what is going and only here to see who win a medal so sit your old ass down. Olympics done now you can go back to your regular programming you cunny hole
In 2012 Trinidad and Tobago won 4 medals
In 2016 Trinidad and Tobago won 1 medal
In 2021 Trinidad and Tobago won 0 medals
At this rate, they will be giving back medals at the next Olympics. .
Ato pointed this out after 2016. The TTNAAA was on a high in 2012. We win 4 medals with little support from them. Hence, they ain't improve or made any adjustments to their administrative delivery. Why? Because they thought the little effort they put to prepare the team for London was enough. London had 8 finalists.. Tokyo 2 finalist.
And how many medals won in 2004 ? 0 medals in track and field
And how many medals won in 2008? 1 medal was won when that Olympics was done. 2nd medal for teh realy years later.
The point being made is our usual trajectory is 0 to 1 medals. You can keep harping about 2012 from now until you die
And T&T had three individual finalists in Tokyo not two as you said.
Warren, Gittens, Richards
Simply talking to you is like going around in circles. You seem to not grasp with what is being said and forgot what was said earlier
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I am not going to waste my time like you in here bro. I never had any expectations for T&T doing well. Since Ato was running for T&T how well was the team doing? He was the only one winning medals. You guys pretend T&T at some point was a good Track and Field nation because of what exactly? winning one medal every Olympics? After 1976 we did not win a medal until 1996 so how is this new? and every Olympics the ones who do not follow and understand come with absurd expectations for medals.
This was my last comment.
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Pull Stones I will not even waste time with you old man. Keep your old dry stones in your hands and apparently in your mouth. If you do not understand my posts is telling people like you why YOU care when YOU really dont care and dont know what is going and only here to see who win a medal so sit your old ass down. Olympics done now you can go back to your regular programming you cunny hole
0Don't forget Deeks
St Hillaire got injured. I think we would have gotten a medal if he did not. Oh well. So it go.
Sando, I know you ain't talking about me. Go and check who does post on here. Is only me, socapro, you, asylumseeker and AB. Other guys come in here every now and again. But that doesn't mean they can't comment.
Here are the Facts!
2008 - 2 medals won
2012 - 4 medals won
2016 -1 medal won
2020 - but yet old men in here playing surprised if we win 0 medals
Its like you casual track and field fans come here every four years and just dream of T&T winning a bunch of medals when that has never been our history
How many medals did we win at the recent 2019 world champs? Did you casual fans forget?
Some of allyuh old men do not even know our athletes before this Olympics. Rarely followed them and rarely pushed and supported them. And when this is all over you go back to not caring. How many of you old head football guys really know about Tyra Gitten or Nicholas Paul before this Olympics? Maybe just a few of you. You are not real supporters just medal dreamers so you can brag your country won a medal
If we medal in the men 4x4 that is good we just keeping up with our recent 1 medal per Olympics tally and by next week everything back to normal with non supportive fans and broken athletics system in T&T. So keep allyuh crying to allyuhs elf
and gawd on pitch do not ever quote me again on same 10 medal by 2024 nonsense, no one in their right mind ever believed that nonsense. so dont bother to mention it.
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Why you old men in here mad? Soon you will get to go back on your four year track and field hiatus as fans. Since when you and the average Trini support our track and field athletes? But yet you here crying for a medal when Olympics come around. Steupse