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Football / Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
« on: May 09, 2009, 09:27:16 AM »
Maybe everyone shows up healthy next season and they go on a jaw-dropping tear. They certainly have the talent and despite the impressions, have a good mix of experience and youth.
 As a business, Arsenal might be the best managed club in the EPL, one trophy would make all the difference in the world.
:beermug:
Agree with the above. Arsenal needs two hard-nosed central defenders, Diaby, Song and Denilson can continue to compete for the holding position allowing Fabregas and company to focus on scoring goals.

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Football / Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
« on: May 09, 2009, 04:16:05 AM »


Wenger's philosophy is misinterpreted
By Joël Che on Saturday, May 9, 2009

Did you know that Arsène Wenger has bought at least eleven players over the age of 25 years in his time at Arsenal? Did you know that some of Arsenal's best ever players over the past 12 years were playing in the first team when they were only 20 to 22 years of age?

Reading about Wenger especially after the disappointment of the last few seasons, you would think that he only ever buys 18 to 20 year olds and you would think that young kids playing in the premiership never succeed.

Here are some of the older players Wenger has bought and the age at which he bought them.

Robért Píres (27), Sylvain Wiltord (26), Sol Campbell (27), Andrey Arshavin (27), Silvinho (25), Lauren (24), Hleb (24), Rosicky (26), Gallas (29), Giles Grimandi (27), Marc Overmars (24), Emmanuel Petit (27), Gilberto (26).

Look at some of the players that Wenger bought who were young at the time they signed and have done really well. You may argue about the level of success of each player, especially Reyes.

Vieira (20), Thierry Henry (22), Flamini (20), Touré (22), Reyes (21), Ljungberg (21), Ashley Cole (first team at 20), Robin van Persie (21), Adebayor (22), Flamini (21).
Looking at these stats, three thing jumps out.

First, Wenger DOES buy older players. It is a myth that he doesn't. We are not talking about the odd player here and there. There are 13 just from my own count above – it is not a huge difference from Alex Ferguson's record. But then this begs the question: why is the current team so young? I will come back to that.

Second, the players who were bought when they were older than 23 (in the first group) were certainly far more successful from a trophy point of view.

Lastly, the successful players (from a trophy point of view) in the second group, who arrived at Arsenal under the age of 23 were successful as part of a blended team. Vieira, Ljungberg , Ashley Cole and Henry played teams with Bergkamp, Píres, Campbell, Petit, Gilberto, etc.

Arsenal has not won anything with these recent very young teams although we have been at the Champions League final and semi-final, the Carling cup final and semi finals and the FA Cup semi finals. But remember that even experienced teams like Chelsea, Man United , and Liverpool teams do not win the premier league every year. It is quite natural for a good team to go two or three years in transition phases before building back up to the top. But 4 years is too long especially since not even cups have come in that time.

But at Arsenal, this is not an ordinary transition – in fact it does not have the characteristics of a transition. A transition is a process that progressively improves towards its goal. The productive life of any team lasts 3 years or even less so we cannot consider 4 years as transition. Something else has gone wrong somewhere. If this team was young 4 years ago, how can it still young today? How has a manager who has bought both experience and youth in the past ended up with such a young team?

I don't think I know the answer but I can share my views.

I remember in 2006 when Chelsea was thrashing everyone and Man Utd were left behind. Alex Ferguson complained about criticism he was receiving when Wenger was not receiving any despite being in the same situation – "Everyone keeps talking about how Arsenal are in transition but nobody talks about the fact we are also in transition". At that time, Ferguson had started the process of replacing Jaap Stam , Beckham, Keane, Giggs, Scholes, Schmeichel, Butt etc. What is notable about Ferguson's transformation was this. Nearly all the players he was trying to replace stayed at the club with a few exceptions during the transition. In fact, two of them are still there.

You also notice this pattern when the younger players at Arsenal at the time like Vieira, Henry, Cole, Lauren, and Ljungberg were going through their own transition. Most of the people they were replacing stayed around a little while before they left. Dennis Bergkamp oversaw the transition of all Arsenals' forwards for 8 years. So did Martin Keown at the back and Ray Parlour in midfield. But after that – after 2005, the Vieira generation did not stay on to help the transition. They all left. It wasn't a transition to the Fabregas generation – it was being thrown in at the deep end and Arsenal has not recovered.

But Arsenal have had 4 years to make up for it. Why haven't they?

I believe that Wenger has always known who in the reserves or the bench is going to take over and planned it in advance. And where Wenger did not have anyone ready in reserves or the bench, he went to the market and generally bought experienced players like Rosicky, Eduardo, Sagna, Hleb, Reyes, Flamini and van Persie. Remember Flamini, Reyes and RvP didn't come to Arsenal as a teenagers. They had played in their first teams for more than a year and had a history of good results.

So my view is this. Wenger has always planned a smooth transition and everything should have been going to plan. You have to admit that it is exactly in Wenger's character to plan a smooth transition but it has gone wrong for two reasons – mismanagement of players leaving and injuries.

Deco, Anelka, Giggs, Scholes, etc all earn tons of money from being on the bench. Why did Henry, Gilberto, Vieira, Píres and Sol Campbell etc not finish their careers at Arsenal? Ok that's a lot of money to put on the bench but that's what it costs. Why does Arsenal have an obsession with the resale value of players? I am no financier but it my view, great players don't cost – they pay! Why did Flamini and Hleb leave? If Ronaldo cannot leave Man United even when his exit could finance a entirely new team, why do we collect miserly pennies for players like Hleb who could be made to stay?

Reyes, Hleb, van Persie (injuries), Diaby (injuries), Senderos (too early) and Flamini are the biggest reasons why the team didn't transform in a predictable way over the past 4 years. Call me naïve but I think Reyes would have been a great player had he stayed. These are vital players that had been planned for vital positions. In Man United, nearly all those players made it. Fletcher, Wes Brown, Ronaldo, Carrick, Rooney, Ferdinand, Vidic, Evra, Park all made it. They were all bought roughly around the same time. Their transition worked. They made it together whereas Arsenal was disrupted by unplanned departures at the last minute and Wenger looked to the youth team for replacements sometimes and bought sometimes. For the youth team replacements it was too early. For the ones we bought, they got injured.

Rosicky, Eduardo and van Persie have added to the lack of transition woe (through no fault of theirs). Their injuries put the manager in a tough situation. Buy replacement in the middle of the year or wait? Will Diaby make it? Wenger must have been thinking answers like: I cannot find out this because he is injured or I think he will be fit soon so I will not buy another player. They will be back next year. But next year, someone else left and yet another new player comes into the team and we are back to 2005 again.

One can begrudge Arsenal for the way players have left Arsenal while under contract when they could have enforced the contract and maybe persuaded them the next year to sign on. One can begrudge Arsenal for allowing contracts to run down or for insisting on one year contracts over a certain age. But that is only part of the problem. It is hard not to feel sympathy for Arsenal for the damage that injuries have caused to any long-term planning. Nobody can really be sure how good RvP , Rosicky or Eduardo (or even Diaby) really are. We have barely seen them.

How do you plan for next season? Do you assume that Diaby is going to continue to be crap at releasing balls early and not conceding free kicks around our box or do you assume that this was his first real season and he will grow like Vieira after his first season? Do you assume that Eduardo and van Persie will be fit for more than a third of the season? Do you assume Rosicky will be able to play as well as he used to after being out for nearly 18 months?

If Arsenal is to go forward, they must assume the answers to those questions are NO. If anything else happens it will be a huge bonus. Last time we assumed the answers would be YES and see what happened.

Final thoughts.

People claim that Arshavin was bought by the new CEO. Myself, that theory is either for insiders who know what really happened or are angry at Wenger. Wenger spoke about Arshavin a lot in the summer. When he knew Rosicky was not coming back and Cesc was injured for 4 months, he bought Arshavin in January. He has bought older players before so to me, this is consistent behaviour.

Wenger claims that buying experienced players will destroy younger players. I think that actually quite the opposite. It will improve younger players and it will make one mighty difference which is this. It will make sure that Arsenal wins trophies so that older players can choose to stay and retire at the club and younger players like Flamini and Reyes would be patient and wait their time instead of running off. Trophies and success does that and as we have just seen, it makes all the difference with transition periods. Hleb may end up with a Champions league medal that he did nothing to win. Players at Man United, AC Milan, Real Madrid etc will sit on the bench to retire or wait their turn. But that is worth it for them because they will get medals they rarely played for. Players should think it is worth sitting on the Arsenal bench.

http://arsenal-mania.com/articles/3106819/Wengers-philosophy-is-misinterpreted.html

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 Piquet's handball looks clearcut, S*it happens.

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General Discussion / Re: Happy Birthday Tallman!
« on: May 05, 2009, 09:08:13 PM »
Happy Birthday and all the best :beermug:

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Football / Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
« on: May 05, 2009, 08:55:00 PM »
FIFA.com

Wenger to consider squad change
(AFP) Wednesday 6 May 2009

Arsene Wenger admits he will consider overhauling Arsenal's young squad after the Gunners were taught a UEFA Champions League lesson by Manchester United.

The gulf in class between Wenger's side and United looked wider than ever at the Emirates Stadium on Tuesday as the European Champions cruised to a 3-1 victory that sealed a 4-1 aggregate success in the semi-final.

While United boss Sir Alex Ferguson could afford to leave world-class talents like Paul Scholes, Ryan Giggs, Carlos Tevez and Dimitar Berbatov on the bench, injuries forced Wenger to field a team lacking the experience to cope with such a big occasion. Wenger's paucity of resources meant he selected Kieran Gibbs, a teenage midfielder, at left-back, while erratic defender Johan Djourou deputised for Mikael Silvestre at centre-back and the relatively untried Alexandre Song played in midfield.

As if that wasn't enough to make it mission impossible for Arsenal, Wenger was also let down by his more senior players. Goalkeeper Manuel Almunia was at fault for United's second goal as he allowed Cristiano Ronaldo's long-range free-kick to beat him at his near post. At the other end of the pitch, Togo striker Emmanuel Adebayor was anonymous, and Samir Nasri, Theo Walcott and Robin van Persie all struggled to make any impact.

What we do next is a hard question to answer. I'm too disappointed now. I need to take some distance with this season,
Arsenal manager Arsene Wenger.
After spending most of the season defending his decision to spurn big-money signings in favour of developing a team for the future, this chastening defeat has finally forced Wenger to admit he might make changes to that policy. "What we do next is a hard question to answer. I'm too disappointed now. I need to take some distance with this season," Wenger said.

"We have gone 21 games unbeaten in the league but in the games that mattered like the FA Cup semi-final against Chelsea and this defeat to United we didn't do enough to win and we need to think about that."

After opting against multi-million pounds bids for Aston Villa's Gareth Barry and Liverpool's Xabi Alonso earlier this season, Wenger has been left with a midfield painfully short of a holding player to partner Cesc Fabregas. Addressing that concern is only the start of Wenger's to-do list as he faces up to a fourth successive season without silverware.

Arsenal have no problem playing stylish football but if the Gunners are to recapture the form that made them invincible in 2004 they desperately need a more prolific striker and a commanding centre-back as well as that elusive midfielder. Wenger's pride ensures he will keep faith with some of his youngsters, but even he knows more experienced options are essential.

"It's easy to say experience but I'm convinced that we have the quality and we will continue to develop, if you look at the average age of the team," he said. "To reach this level, they deserve much credit but we were caught by a team who took advantage of every mistake we made.

"It's difficult. We had some experienced players in defence who were out for a long time and we had to deal with that. It's part of football. We have to stand up to it and finish the season well and respond against Chelsea on Sunday. We can't change the mistakes now."


Rating: 5.0

(Reuters)
   
http://www.fifa.com/clubworldcup/news/newsid=1055006.html?cid=rssfeed&att=


Congrats to Manu on two well taken early goals. Arsenal did not lose because of their youth, the makeshift defensive back four had it coming. It was tough for anyone  to take that early body blow and continue to play at their best.
The building process continues, just a couple solid defensive additions required, no need to panic and make wholesale changes.

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Football / Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
« on: May 01, 2009, 08:05:07 AM »
Opta assess Arshavin impact

by David Wall , 01 May 2009
Setanta
Arsenal are red hot, scoring over three goals per Premier League game since March. In their previous 27 games, they were finding the net 1.41 times per game, too small an average to contend for the Premier League crown. One of the main reasons for that change in fortunes is that Arsene Wenger has now got four midfield maestros at his disposal. Opta investigate Arsenal’s crafty middlemen.

Andrei Arshavin, Cesc Fabregas, Samir Nasri and Theo Walcott have only played 93 minutes of league football together (in Arsenal’s last two games against Liverpool and Middlesbrough).

However, this year, when at least three of them have played together, Arsenal have scored seven goals in 315 minutes, that’s one every 35 minutes - a tasty return.

Arshavin’s arrival has given The Gunners new impetus. The Russian front man has been involved in 10 goals for the Gunners in his first nine league games (six goals, four assists). His conversion rate is good (20.7%), notably helped by his four goals against Liverpool, a match in which he only had…four shots.

Compared to his midfield counterparts, he tries his luck the most (3.2 shots per game) and is more precise at delivering wide balls into the box (31% crossing accuracy). His left side positioning does not stop him from cutting back into the midfield but his dribbling rate has room fro improvement.
Opta Stats Premier League 08/09              Arshavin Fabregas  Nasri    Walcott
Appearances                                                  9    19    27     18
Starts                                                           9    19    26    13
Minutes played                                       768        1,632 2,243    1,077
In front of goal                   
Goals                                                            6     3     6      2
Minutes per goal                                               128    544    374    538
Goals in the box                                                    4     3     4      2
Goals from outside the box                                    2     0     2      0
Shots                                                          29    32    23    30
Shots per game                                               3.22    1.68    0.85    1.67
Shots on target                                                  14    18    14    14
Shots off target                                                  15    14      9    16
% of shots on target                                   48.3%    56.2% 60.9% 46.7%
Conversion rate %                                   20.7%    9.4%    26.1% 6.7%
Distribution                   
Touches per game                                         62    102    73    40
Assists                                                          4    8    2    2
Chances created/game                                   2.67    3.37    1.67    1.11
% of successful passes                             77%    80%    88%    83%
Crossing                   
Crosses per game                                       2.9    4.0    3.2    3.3
% of successful crosses                             31%    14%    20%    17%
Dribbles                   
Dribbles per game                                       3.3    1.4    3.4    4.9
% of successful dribbles                             50%    73%    57%    53%
Defending                   
Tackles per game                                       1.9    2.7    1.8    0.9
% of tackles won                                     88%    73%    71%    82%
Interceptions per game                               1.7    2.3    1.7    0.7
His relationship with Cesc Fabregas has blossomed (see Fabregas’ opening goal against Middlesbrough last week). The Arsenal skipper will be disappointed by his goal tally (three in the league this season, including two against Boro last weekend) but he has shone at the Emirates since his return from injury earlier last month, contributing two goals and three assists in Arsenal’s last three home games in all competitions. With 102 touches per game, he is the fulcrum in the side, the one every Arsenal player looks to deliver the ball. He also remains the top architect in the final third, with 3.37 chances created per game for his team-mates this season.

The roaming nature of Fabregas’ play indicates a higher crosses per game average than his midfield partners while he also makes more tackles.

Arshavin’s arrival has coincided with a drop in Nasri’s activity up front. When it comes to distributing the ball, his eye is as good as anyone in the Premier League (88% passing accuracy) but he has not delivered an assist in the league in 2009 but has managed to score twice, both goals coming away from home (at Hull City and Newcastle). He shoots less than the other three but is more clinical when he does, converting 26% of chances while also hitting the target with nearly 61% of shots.

Walcott could learn from the Frenchman, boasting as he does a below average conversion rate (6.7%) and the lowest shooting accuracy of the four midfield maestros (46.7%). Despite whipping in over three crosses per game, he only creates 1.1 chances per game, delivering two assists all season. He isn’t afraid of trying to go past players, making on average nearly five dribbles per game.



http://www.setanta.com//uk/Articles/Football/2009/05/01/Opta-on-Arsenal/gnid-51124/

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Quizz Time & Facts / Re: Trini Town
« on: March 18, 2009, 03:21:03 PM »
Juan?

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Quizz Time & Facts / Re: brain tease
« on: March 07, 2009, 03:28:28 PM »
Bingo!

You real good! Yuh must be from that time or you know your TnT Football very well OR you went to the "old timers" in Belmont on Carnival Sunday.  She was there - so was Carlton "The General Franco", Lincoln Phillips, Sedley Joseph, Son Baptiste, Squeakie Hinds and Trini to De Bone himself - David Rudder.

So now I am curious!

Good luck to us on March 28th.

Read it in de papers.  :angel:

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Bobby Sookram?

CORRECT !!!!!!!

Somebody finally beat Tallman to it....... 8)

Nah Tallman jus givin we ah brace break. ;)

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Bobby Sookram?

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Quizz Time & Facts / Re: brain tease
« on: March 06, 2009, 05:34:12 PM »
Name the first female football referee in T&T and the Caribbean

Merle Bagoo, first in the Commonwealth ah think.

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Football / Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
« on: October 04, 2008, 08:19:48 PM »
Arsenal were lucky that Fabregas saved them after giving up such a late goal.


Only saw the highlights.

we deserved a goal esp after the disalloud goal, even roy keane said it was a goal and it took a speacil goal to beat almunia, just like it took hull two special goals.

suderland played well and need to stay up like hull

Didn't see it... didn't make the highlight reel.

Clearly a good goal ..... dems de breaks.
http://www.fliggo.com/video/FpO2aSwq

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Football / Re: Dwight Yorke and 99 others
« on: August 22, 2008, 01:54:15 PM »
Add to the  1960 list . Selris Figaro, Russell Teschiera, Bobby Sookram, Henry Quanvie, Lawrence Rondon, Jimmy Springer,Jeam Mouttet, Cax Baptiste, Arthur Brown, Andy Aleong,

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I thought that '64 Olympics was common knowledge. But nobody mention it.  So I thought I was wrong and eh say nothing either.

Same here... in all honesty many Trinis don't even know Mottley was an Olympian (myself included until last year), let alone that he was a silver medallist.

Fyi-  Euric Bobb, Presentation scholar, former Governor of the Central bank, was an Olympian in Mexico 1968.
http://www.bestoftrinidad.com/olympics/bobb.html

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Actually Monkey Genius.....I have to say I eh really know much about any of T&T's Olympic history before Hasley Crawford...

I've always heard Mottley's name being called but never really got the full story (btw eh know who is Edwin Roberts eh)....now ah eh sure if that is my fault or that these things aren't really a part of your schooling and so you just grow up not knowing the country's history.... :-\

Edwin Roberts was our fastest sprinter before Hasely came along. He was from Belmont and went to Tranquillity. He ran the 100m,200m and 400m .

Edwin Roberts #776 running in Tokyo, 1964 Olympics.

Checkout wikipedia

Total Medals Won

                                     Gold   Silver        Bronze       Total
 Trinidad and Tobago          1      4               8             13
 Medalists

 Summer
      Medal     Name     Games     Sport     Event 
 Silver   Rodney Wilkes            1948 London   Weightlifting   Men's featherweight
 Bronze   Rodney Wilkes           1952 Helsinki   Weightlifting   Men's featherweight
 Bronze   Lennox Kilgour           1952 Helsinki   Weightlifting   Men's 90kg class
 Silver   Wendell Mottley           1964 Tokyo   Athletics   Men's 400m
 Bronze   Edwin Roberts           1964 Tokyo   Athletics   Men's 200m
 Bronze   Wendell Mottley
                Kent Bernard
                Edwin Roberts
                Edwin Skinner          1964 Tokyo   Athletics   Men's 4x400 relay
 Gold   Hasely Crawford             1976 Montreal   Athletics   Men's 100m
 Bronze   Ato Boldon                  1996 Atlanta   Athletics   Men's 100m
 Bronze   Ato Boldon                  1996 Atlanta   Athletics   Men's 200m
 Silver   Ato Boldon                    2000 Sydney   Athletics   Men's 100m
 Bronze   Ato Boldon                   2000 Sydney   Athletics   Men's 200m
 Bronze   George Bovell              2004 Athens   Swimming   Men's 200m individual medley
 Silver   Richard Thompson          2008 Beijing   Athletics   Men's 100m


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Nobody ever said you can't have an opinion. It is the forum chosen. Bob Costas and all those who purer than pure should go and cover the purity games if they want!!!!!!!! You don't do a man like that with a primetime televison audience and the man has no opportunity to respond to your comments. That is the disgrace.Passing judgement on people you don't even know. Listen to Bolt's interviews, they have been gracious. Thats why I'm happy the VAST MAJORITY of the worlds media and pundits have taken to Bolt. You could do a count of for and against if yuh dont believe me!

They say he is what the sport needs and they love his personality. Only a few fools see it differently and have the gall to treat the man like that in public. Frankie, hold yuh opinion, I respect yuh, but Bob Costas you gone to another level. Holier than thou. Check yourself before you tell people what they did and how they should behave.

Co-sign :beermug:
I find it sad that on a day when we should have all been proud of Bolt's accomplishment, those that should know better found it necessary to tarnish Bolt's moment of glory.
The fact that he broke the world record while celebrating is what some see as disrespectful. Prior to this, in a 100 meter race no one has celebrated during the race with the same exuberance,  for fear of losing.   I saw no disrespect, Bolt's persona is a breath of fresh air, he can be the catalyst the sport needs to reinvigorate itself.  It is strange that the spin has changed from one of  "disrespect" to "he should have finished the race".  Convenient! :shameonyou:

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What about Track & Field / Re: Beijing Men's 200m
« on: August 20, 2008, 11:11:17 AM »
http://www.iaaf.org/oly08/results/eventCode=3659/racedate=08-20-2008/sex=M/discCode=200/combCode=hash/roundCode=f/results.html#det15 Aug

200 Metres - M   FINAL
20 August 2008 - 22:20 - revisedWind: -0.9 m/s
Position   Lane   Athlete   Country   Mark    .   React
1   5   Usain Bolt               JAM   19.30   (WR)   0.182
2   4   Shawn Crawford      USA   19.96    .   0.210
3   8   Walter Dix               USA   19.98    .   0.151
4   6   Brian Dzingai           ZIM   20.22    .   0.185
5   3   Christian Malcolm     GBR   20.40    .   0.212
6   2   Kim Collins              SKN   20.59    .   0.165
.   7   Churandy Martina      AHO   DQ    .   0.144
.   9   Wallace Spearmon  USA   DQ    .   0.167



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What about Track & Field / Re: Usain Bolt 9.69 WR....
« on: August 16, 2008, 05:13:33 PM »
What a performance! Only 167 lbs at 6' 5"? lightning Bolt. ;D
I was so focused on Bolt and Thompson I thought Thompson was slowing down at the 40 meter mark, when ah ketch mihself is because Bolt shift into overdrive. Congrats to all, Great race by Thompson! Asafa hold yuh head high, hardluck dey breds but work on the mental part of your profession, ignore the naysayers.
Checkout  Bolt's progression.
http://www.iaaf.org/athletes/biographies/letter=0/athcode=184599/index.html

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What about Track & Field / Re: Usain Bolt 9.69 WR....
« on: August 16, 2008, 12:20:24 PM »
 Checkout the highlights on the sidebar to the right. Nice job by CBC. :beermug:
http://www.cbc.ca/olympics/ondemand/

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Football / Re: Info on Stern
« on: August 14, 2008, 03:07:36 PM »
Ah have a feeling Stern go have a big season. Playing alongside this yute Mc Goldrick should free him up.  Buss de net Bravo!

Poortvliet prepared
 saintsfc

Jan Poortvliet faces the first of two rapid encounters with Alex McLeish as he brings his Birmingham City side to St. Mary's on Saturday.

The Dutchman is relishing his first competitive fixture in front of his home crowd and hopes that people will turn out in force for the occasion.

"We will be going for it on Saturday and hope that everyone has the chance to enjoy it in front of a full stadium" he said. "I hope that the fans will come to see us because we are keen to show them our passion. For us it's a big test we have to be ready for it and in my mind I think we are."

All eyes will be on the first of two big games between the sides with this week's Carling Cup draw adding a bit of extra spice to the fixture.

"We focus on each game, Saturday is the first one and it is one that we want to beat them in and then look on to the next game after that."

He added, "They (Birmingham) have a strong team with some dangerous centre forwards including Kevin Phillips who everybody knows about. We have to keep an eye on players who have a lot of movement and we have to make sure that they do not get a look in, so they must receive as few balls as possible up front.

"They play with wingers and have a lot of experience throughout their side and having come down from the Premiership, their goal will be to get back there as soon as possible."

A tough looking opening home fixture is one that Poortvliet insists his side will be ready for.

"A lot of people are probably looking at this game to see where we are. I'm looking forward to playing our own game against Birmingham for some people they will be the favourites, but for me we will be."

The match also represents an opportunity to go head-to-head against a team who have recently played in the top-flight and one which will be another test in the early stages of the Dutchman's reign.

"In football it is always eleven against eleven no matter how much experience you have." He explained, "We have some young players with spirit that also want to play, so it will be good to watch. On Saturday we will give everything so that the three points stay here."

Poortvliet's approach to the game will be helped by the work put in off the pitch.

He explained: "We watched the video of Birmingham yesterday, we know enough about them so it's up to us to deal with them and do a good job.

"Maybe we will have to change some things around because we want to keep the same formation. McGoldrick has played on the right, Stern John can play on either side and we also have Adam Lallana and Lee Holmes who can both play in several positions which is lovely to see."

He continued, "I feel that the players are all looking forward to playing, they are all in good shape and full of confidence."

The selection of the team could well be influenced by the performance of those who played on Tuesday night where a returning Stern John gave Poortvliet some food for thought.

"Stern John is back in the squad because he did a very good job on Tuesday so we will see if he is ready to play maybe from the start on Saturday."

Jan added, "He showed last year what he can do and I have seen already that he wants to play because he trains very hard and enjoys it here everyday."

The win over Exeter provided an added boost for the former Dutch International.

"It was a great moment" he declared, "It's nice to be in the second round and it gives a good feeling to see that we won away from home. Combined with the positive reaction that we have had so far from our performances, I hope that will set us up for the game this weekend."

http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/news/?page_id=10444

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Football / Re: Info on Stern
« on: August 07, 2008, 04:59:12 PM »
Has Legend 14 been playing in preseason?

They open their campaign on Saturday vs Cardiff

Saints FC.
By James Morley

Saints boss Jan Poortvliet has praised David McGoldrick's contribution during pre-season and predicts a bright future for the young striker.

McGoldrick's pre-season form has proved to be a vital weapon in Poortvliet's armoury ahead of Saturday's Championship clash with Cardiff City, and Saints' head coach is confident that McGoldrick can deliver the goods up front.

With eight pre-season goals already to his name, this could well be McGoldrick's season.

"David has done very well over the last few games," Poortvliet said." and has scored three goals against Premier League opponents. That's a great way to start the season.

"He was close to scoring even more goals against Stoke as well. David was in the mood and had a lot of confidence after the West Ham match. He has to keep it like that because he is a danger to everyone"

Saints will of course be missing Stern John at Ninian Park after the Trinidad and Tobago man was dismissed during the final-day drama of last season.

Poortvliet added: "Stern John also did well last time out although he is suspended for Saturday."

Football and the future are never easy predictions to make, but the 2008/09 season could be a vital one for the 20-year old forward to make his mark.

Fellow Academy graduate Andrew Surman has already pushed his way into England's Under-21 team plans. Could a similar path lie ahead for McGoldrick?

"I think he could be a top player," Poortvliet said. "A goalscorer is always judged on the number of goals they score but even in other areas of his game, his passes and crosses from midfield for example, show that he has a little bit of everything and who knows where that will take him.

"David is still young and I think he could certainly be a player for England's Under-21's  If he has a good season this year it could put him in the picture and I hope he does well."

http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/news/?page_id=10407

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Football / Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
« on: August 06, 2008, 04:45:57 PM »
Jack Wilshere is good...really impressed me...  maybe a bit too good for a 3rd place team
Not bad! ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITVSdAzBjXY&feature=related

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Football / Re: They were called ...'The Brunner Boys'.
« on: July 26, 2008, 11:38:02 PM »
this is in no way meant to disrespect the national team of yesteryear, but what makes this generation "golden"?

Is it just nostolgia? It sure aint football achievements, cause during the 60's is level licks we get from the likes of Surinam, Cuba and Haiti, not to mention the central americans...


These articles might help put things into perspective. From 1966 T & T fielded a team made up of some schoolboys to replace some older players, this was the foundation upon which the "Classic" team was built. This classic team had the potential to represent us well, in the World Cup.( Btw, they were the real deal, nostalgia yes, but not misplaced.) One thing that is striking throughout our history is that examples such as playing our  home games on foreign soil,  to the debacle in Haiti with the "Classic" team, blacklisting of our players at various times, to the recent threat by JW to play our WC qualifying games away,  have become the norm. The football fan has lost interest perhaps because they are totally frustrated and disenchanted with the administration of our football, from team selection to lack of support for the players by the TTFF. Others countries have seen support for football flourish in the last 40 years despite competition from TV and other sports and attractions, yet our crowds have diminished by more than 50%, go figure. :(

http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=15743.msg162330#msg162330


Fresh start" TTFA bow to schoolboys.
By: Lasana Liburd (Express).

Lasana Liburd continues his 11-part World Cup series with a look at the 1970 campaign and the emergence of talents like Leroy De Leon, Everald Cummings and Warren Archibald.
The Trinidad and Tobago football team returned from Suriname on March 15, 1965 with red faces as the 1966 World Cup campaign ended with an embarrassing 6-1 defeat to its Dutch mainland rivals.
There was no shame in losing to a talented Surinamese outfit but the margin of defeat left a bad aftertaste, particularly because Trinidad and Tobago kicked off its campaign with a 4-1 win over the same opponent at the Queen's Park Oval on February 7, 1965.
Team captain Sedley Joseph and his troops, which included talented goalkeeper Lincoln "Tiger" Phillip and skillful attackers like Andy Aleong, Alvin Corneal and Gerry Brown, were humbled but felt certain they would build on the experience. It was not to be, though.
The national outfit, in those days, was chosen by a panel of administrators rather than the team coach and the selectors always seemed anxious for a revamp. Within months, Joseph had a precocious new teammate who would become one of local football's all time greats.
Everald "Gally" Cummings was still 16 when he won his first cap in a 4-0 defeat away to Jamaica on August 5, 1965. A Tranquility Government student, Cummings went on to serve his country with distinction for over three decades and remains a household name.
Forty-one years ago, Cummings' selection signalled a bright future. Short and athletic, the Paragon Sports Club playmaker had a powerful shot and vision and was always willing to try a trick.
But, arguably, even better was to come as the country became seduced by a talented crop of schoolboys.
Today, Cummings remains the only footballer to be named Trinidad and Tobago Sportsman of the Year while his accomplishments as player and coach are unrivalled. Yet, the player who many grey beards rate as the most gifted product of this tiny twin-island republic was still largely unknown north of San Fernando at the time.
His name is Leroy De Leon.
De Leon was born and grew up in Point Fortin. His father, Sistel De Leon, never played sport and young De Leon's slight build and left knee that curved inwards did not seem to indicate a star athlete.
But more overwhelming than De Leon's shortage of sporting genes and physique was his uncanny knack for tricking opponents and his grasp of the cerebral aspects of the game.
The Trinidad and Tobago Cricket Board of Control was first to spot his potential and football nearly lost a gem when De Leone scored an unbeaten half century as a 13-year-old in Barbados. It was his maiden tour as a national player for any sport.
My family never played sport,said De Leon, but cricket in those days was a game, like golf, played by the rich and powerful. My father wanted me to play cricket but I knew we were not rich and powerful; so I chose football.St Benedict's schoolmaster Dom Basil Matthews heard of De Leon's ability with a football and recruited the diminutive midfielder to his all conquering schoolboy team that included Warren Archibald and Wilfred "Bound to Score" Cave. But word of his prowess had not yet reached Port of Spain when De Leon visited the Queen Park Oval in 1965 to play in the North/South Classic as a 17-year-old.
North Zone player Raffie Knowles sized up his opponents on the day and loudly dismissed them as "a bunch of kids". De Leon seethed but the scoreline vindicated Knowles at the interval as North led 2-0.
But the final straw came as the teams returned to the field after the half-time break and a spectator inadvertently heaped one indignity too much on the proud De Leon.
Country bookie,said an amused patron, who looked in De Leon's direction, "go back to the country."
The rest of the fixture was a blur of step overs, dinked passes and goals. At the final whistle, South were 5-2 victors and the local FA had unearthed a new star.
Months later, De Leon proved it was no fluke when he again bedazzled the powerful North outfit with a superb individual performance in south Trinidad. Selectors were confounded to see the teenager strike terror into the national skipper and respected centre-half, Joseph.
At one stage in the match, De Leon took possession and made a beeline to Joseph who backpedaled furiously from the centre circle.
Joseph was shouting to his teammates "tackle him, tackle him", claimed one observer, and De Leon just kept pushing the ball straight at him. He crossed over the ball one way and then the next and Joseph just fell right on his backside.
The entire crowd went into an uproar. No one did that to Sedley Joseph in those days.
St Benedict's was found to have used over-aged players in the school's competition and Matthews was forced to return trophies in 1966. But De Leon, Cave, Archibald and Jan Steadman were already senior players.
The quartet, as well as Cummings, was signed by North American Professional Soccer League clubs in 1967.
Even in the absence of such talents, Trinidad and Tobago celebrated its first major medal at the 1967 Pan American Games in Winnipeg, Canada. The Pan Am Games was strictly an amateur tournament and few teams were at full strength but T&T fans were still greatly encouraged by famous wins over Argentina (1-0) and Colombia (5-2) and a 1-1 draw with eventual winners, Mexico.
Trinidad and Tobago ended the competition with a bronze medal after losing 3-1 to the unfancied Bermuda in the semi-final but there was still plenty enthusiasm for an improved showing at the 1970 World Cup qualifying campaign
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Eager young faces were everywhere as the TTFA performed a remarkable clear out of the country's senior players. Only Tyrone de la Bastide, a central defender, remained from the starting team of 1966 while goalkeeper Jean Mouttet was understudy to Phillips, four years earlier.
De la Bastide was partnered in central defence by Selwyn Murren while Lawrence Rondon and Arnim David began the campaign at full back ”Steadman eventually replaced David. Rawle Aimey did the dirty work in midfield alongside the graceful De Leon while Cummings and Archibald played supporting role to strikers Ulric "Buggy" Haynes and Cave.
The odds were against the boys in "red, white and black"strip from even before a ball was kicked, though.
Trinidad and Tobago was scheduled to play two-legged fixtures against Guatemala and Haiti to progress to the final qualifying round. But the players soon discovered that they would play all their games on foreign soil.
TTFA president Eric James had forfeited his association's right to compete at home and whispers in the dressing room suggested that the national outfit was sold out.
We could have played at least one game in Trinidad for we home crowd to get to see we self and get we home support, lamented one player.
Home felt a galaxy away after the opening World Cup qualifying fixture away to Guatemala on November 17, 1968. Guatemala trounced T&T 4-0 and the margin of victory did not flatter the hosts.
Trinidad and Tobago was led, at the time, by English coach Michael Laing and Cummings was among a group of dissidents who felt that Laing's insistence on direct play did not suit the team's style and conceded possession too easily to the Central Americans who made better use of the ball
.[/b]The second tie was held at the same Mateo Flores Stadium, three days later, and Laing sacrificed Cave for an additional midfield workhorse in the form of Kenneth Butcher. The visitors managed a goalless draw but the horse had already bolted.
Cave returned for the first leg away to Haiti on November 23 in place of Aimey as Butcher kept his place but an emphatic 4-0 loss ended all hope of progression.
Despite the poor results, Trinidad and Tobago's reputation for producing good individual talent was blossoming. Considering the fact that T&T conceded eight goals and scored none in its opening three outings, it was a testimony to De Leon's outrageous skills that he received the MVP accolade for his performances in the group stage.
A silky bag of tricks, De Leon was unstoppable in possession and had the confidence to match his ability.

"When I grew up in Point Fortin", he said, "everyone wanted to be the next Pele or (Alfredo) di Stefano. I just wanted to be Leroy De Leon. I always felt I could be better than all those guys."
"My main strength was my tricks"¦ but I could analyze a game and my opponents. What position was a defender standing in? How can I take advantage of him?
"I always believed that you should be mentally tired after coming off the field although your body should still be ready to run another 90 minutes."
Trinidad and Tobago got some consolation in its final fixture with a 4-2 triumph over Haiti in Port-au-Prince.
Archibald, a graceful, athletic left sided attacker, scored three times with Cummings bagging the other item. Haiti did not roll over and there was a fierce exchange of tackles in the closing minutes as the French-islanders took exception to Trinidad and Tobago's dribblers.
"I remember the ball was out of play and I was going for water," Cummings recalled, "and a Haitian player just kicked me. Keith Renaud saw what happened and ran on the field and cuffed the guy in his face and got a red card.
"It was the first time I ever saw someone get a red card from on the bench."
Another unsuccessful campaign ground to an end but Trinidad and Tobago fans were convinced that their national team was better than the records suggested. De Leon and Cummings were both just 20-years-old while Archibald, Cave and Steadman were not much older.
If only they could keep these talented youngsters together, surely things would be better at the 1974 trials.

 
1970 World Cup Qualifiers:
 
Nov 25,1968, Port-au-Prince, Stade Sylvio Cator, 2.233
Haiti 2, T&T 4
Goals: Warren Archibald (3), Everald Cummings.
 
Nov 23, 1968, Port-au-Prince, Stade Sylvio Cator, 6.368
Haiti 4, T&T 0
 
Nov 20, 1968, Ciudad de Guatemala, Estadío Mateo Flores, 16.215
Guatemala 0, T&T 0
 
Nov 17, 1968, Ciudad de Guatemala, Estadío Mateo Flores, 26.845
Guatemala 4, T&T 0
 
For your information:
Trinidad and Tobago used a similar 4-2-4 line-up as its 1966 campaign although only Tyrone de la Bastide kept his place. Jean Mouttet started in goal while (from right to left) Lawrence Rondon, de la Bastide, Selwyn Murren and Arnim David started in front of him for the opening qualifier. Rawle Aimey and Leroy De Leon patrolled the midfield area with Everald "Gally"Cummings on Warren Archibald on the right and left flanks respectively. Ulric "Buggy" Haynes and Wilfred "Bound to Score" Cave started upfront at centre forward.
Warren Archibald" treble in T&T" final outing was the country"s best individual scoring performance in a World Cup qualifier. Mouttet's shut-out against Guatemala was also the first clean sheet by a local goalkeeper at this level. At 20, Cummings was also T&T's youngest scorer in World Cup competition at the time.
 
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Welcome back Chris, make the most of this opportunity :beermug:

57
Football / Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
« on: July 25, 2008, 11:17:25 AM »
BBC news

Arsenal will train Indian boys 
By Zubair Ahmed
BBC News, Mumbai 


 
British clubs are eager to exploit the Indian market
One of England's leading football clubs, Arsenal, says it will train 16 of India's talented school boys at its training facilities in London.

The boys, aged between 10 and 15, were selected after a two-week coaching programme held recently in Calcutta by Arsenal staff.

The boys are flying out to begin their training at the club's stadium, The Emirates, from next month.

Leading European football clubs are increasingly targeting India.

Clubs like Arsenal - which is tied up with an Indian sponsor - see a huge market potential there.

Most of the boys going to Arsenal cannot afford to buy their own kit.

Their heroes are not Indian cricketers, such as Saurav Ganguly and Sachin Tendulkar, but Arsenal stars like Cesc Fabregas and Emmanuel Adebayor.

Selected from across the country, the boys will be put through a development programme, called "The Arsenal Way".

 
Arsenal manager Arsne Wegner has a reputation for finding foreign talent

The club's Indian partners, Tata Tea, owners of Tetley Tea, say the objective is to give the children access to world-class training facilities.

Arsenal say it is an opportunity to propagate the game in India.

But in this cricket-crazy country, football has long been neglected.

Even though some Calcutta-based clubs have a tradition and history to match old clubs from around the world, footballers here are never accorded the status cricketers enjoy.

The national football team's poor record does not help the matter.

But things are changing. Young boys and girls wearing replica shirts of European clubs are becoming more of a common sight.

When the German league side, Bayern Munich, played in Calcutta recently, more than 100,000 people turned up to watch them.

English clubs such as Manchester United and Chelsea realise that India's billion-plus population and growing economy could provide a huge TV audience.

However India's national coach, Englishman Bob Houghton, has often said that European clubs are more interested in promoting their commercial interests than helping the game in India.
 
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/7526018.stm

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Football / Re: Kenwyne - Not that bad?
« on: July 14, 2008, 01:08:57 PM »
Found this on SMB also. ;D


59
Football / Re: Six players added to Soca Warriors roster.
« on: July 12, 2008, 09:57:29 AM »
Positive news. Remember these are some of the same players that Jackulito wanted to throw into de rubbish dump of history and, as he put it, nevah wear de socawarriors' juzzy again. Lesson: Doh take on and geh put off by de verbal diarrhea comin' out of Jackuito's mouth and to a lesser extent by his supporters. Just press on demanding appropriate dealings.

Now forumites need to understand that part of the reason that Jackulito, Anton "Alcons Forever" Cornmeal and other powers-that-be backtracked, is because of the pressure applied by concerned  members in the lobby groups, FPATT, blogs like this, the traditional press and other stakeholders behind de scenes. So remain vigilant and before de wine on a bam bam and premature celebration starts, we would be well advised to keep de presshah on Jackulito, Scamps and Rodent as dey eh finish doin' wickedness.

The most despised of the blacklist 16 bunch will be the last to be gven a nod (or sorry a consideration), so there probably still is some dirty divide and rule and a li'l flavour of persecution goin' on. I will wait to see what is done about FPATT's trailblazers Sancho and Jack as the campaign goes on. We cyah afford to fart around wit' de defense as dat eh we strong point historicaly and these 2 warriors need to be supported for trials, not blindly, but fairly.

One good thing, wit' Yorke comin' back, is tings eh go be de same, as if he also believes Sancho and Jack shoud be recalled, then it will happen. Well done. SW.net .... big up for your contribution.
:applause: :applause: :applause:
One victory for the pen over the sword.



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Football / Re: Players transfer thead (2008).
« on: July 03, 2008, 06:14:49 PM »
Adebayor gets go-ahead for Barcelona move
· Catalan club set to bid £30m for unsettled striker
· Arsenal target Blackburn's Santa Cruz as replacement
Dominic Fifield
The Guardian, Friday July 4, 2008

Barcelona are to submit an increased offer worth about £30m for Emmanuel Adebayor after Arsenal privately conceded that they are prepared to sell the unsettled Togo striker if the price is right.

An initial offer of about £24m from the Catalan club was rejected this week because the Gunners are determined to secure a fee that reflects the value of a player who cost them only £4.2m from Monaco 18 months ago but has improved immeasurably under Arsène Wenger. Adebayor has been a revelation since moving to England and scored 30 goals in all competitions last season as Arsenal remained in contention for the Premier League title and European Cup before running out of steam in the last three months of the campaign.

Wenger was initially resistant to interest from Milan and Barcelona but he has grown weary of the mixed messages he has received from Adebayor and the 24-year-old striker's agent, Stéphane Courbis, with Adebayor veering from pledging his future to the club one minute to suggesting it would be better for all parties if he were allowed to move on the next. He earns some £35,000 a week at the Emirates and has been keen to secure a more lucrative deal.

Arsenal had been prepared to enter into negotiations but it appears the Togo forward has now burnt his bridges with the club. That will pave the way for a move to Camp Nou - Milan having hinted that they could not afford the player - but, even though Arsenal's price will soon be met, the timing of the deal will depend on how swiftly the Gunners lure a replacement. Wenger's first choice is believed to be Blackburn Rovers' Roque Santa Cruz, who impressed during a prolific first season in the Premier League, but Manchester United have also expressed a tentative interest in the Paraguayan.

The new Rovers manager, Paul Ince, will resist attempts to lure Santa Cruz away and expects both the striker and David Bentley, the subject of interest from Tottenham Hotspur, to report back for pre-season training on Monday. But the Lancashire club are realistic and a substantial offer for the forward would be likely to secure him for Arsenal.

Wenger is understood to be disappointed by Adebayor's attitude and recognises that there is no value in retaining the services of a player who feels his future does not lie at the Emirates. Adebayor would relish a move to Barça, whose president, Joan Laporta, faces a "motion of censure" by club members on Sunday which, if lost, will see him thrust into an election to retain his position.

Yet the desire to appease members with a big-name signing to follow the £23.5m purchase of Sevilla's Daniel Alves is only one element of Laporta's thinking. Barcelona have made it clear that their priority this summer is signing a striker with physical presence, after sanctioning the departure of Samuel Eto'o. They had considered Chelsea's Didier Drogba but have been persuaded that Adebayor represents better value, given his age.

Adebayor will follow Mathieu Flamini out of Arsenal, the midfielder having signed for Milan under the Bosman ruling, and Alexander Hleb is also expected to depart before the start of the season, with Barcelona and Bayern Munich having expressed interest in the Belarus midfielder. Wenger will secure Marseille's Samir Nasri as a replacement and intends to play Abou Diaby as a central midfielder, with Gilberto Silva as an experienced back-up, though he may yet be tempted back into the market to strengthen his squad.

Villarreal may yesterday have deflected any interest Wenger had in their Spain midfielder Marcos Senna by insisting any suitor would have to pay about £30m for the 31-year-old, who was one of the most consistent performers at Euro 2008.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2008/jul/04/premierleague.arsenal?gusrc=rss&feed=football

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