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Football / Re: Dennis Lawrence Thread
« on: June 26, 2021, 10:10:13 AM »
What!?????!!!!!! Men on the forum praising DL now that he get a job with Coventry. My oh my!!!!!!!

Who is praising him? How many non-white coaches are there in British football, far less Europe as a whole? He was awful as our NT manager but he didn't hire himself. That is squarely on DJW/TTFA.

If coaching Coventry is his level should he not be given the opportunity, or does he not look the part??

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Football / Re: Keron Cummings Thread.
« on: June 26, 2021, 09:35:39 AM »
Did I just watch this guy put a ball between a man legs then sombrero a next one in the space of 4 seconds lol. Its a shame such a talented player could not represent us more than a handful of times because we can't get our sh*t together for the past six years.

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Football / Re: Dennis Lawrence Thread
« on: June 25, 2021, 01:26:02 PM »
Congratulations. Did not like Dennis as our National team coach but it's heartening to see a fellow Trinbagonian succeed, especially in Europe. Nuff said. All the best in your new role!

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Football / Re: Impact of culture on our Success?
« on: June 02, 2021, 06:27:04 PM »
And oh yes- we need a foreign coach cause while we have local coaches achieving success abroad

Which local coaches achieving success abroad ?

Your highlighted section is errenouse taken out of context - the statement is a facetious one- we don't need a foreign coach for that reason. We do have Trini born coaches who are striving and achieving success- Stephen Hart for one-
Too bad we could not see fit to have S .Hart as a technical director and Lawerence as assistant coach
And oh yes- we need a foreign coach cause while we have local coaches achieving success abroad

Which local coaches achieving success abroad ?

Your highlighted section is errenouse taken out of context - the statement is a facetious one- we don't need a foreign coach for that reason. We do have Trini born coaches who are striving and achieving success- Stephen Hart for one-
Too bad we could not see fit to have S .Hart as a technical director and Lawerence as assistant coach
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Don't think anyone will let Mr. Lawrence near a national team anytime soon.

For what little value its worth, IMO 'culture' is often equivocated with administrative competency. They may share similarities but they are not the same. I don't think football is played culturally. If it were our results would uniform across the board. Outcomes vary with the quality of leadership in the governing body. Administrative competence is responsible for the final product on the field.

Its safe to say Raymond Tim Kee was a more competent administrator than David John Williams. Both eras shared many of the same players. The contrasting outcomes of teams of each era reflect a competency divide, rather than operating from a pervasive cultural prison from which cannot emancipate ourselves.


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Football / Re: Thread for T&T vs Guyana Game (25-Mar-2021)
« on: March 25, 2021, 07:07:07 PM »
Pretty decent game guys...we will get better with more games under the belt...Levi has really matured. Tefler is a work horse, Phillip is a work horse as well, with experience he’ll be a huge asset! We finally have a real goal keeper, and that Poon Angerson fella run his legs off. This team is a definite work in progress. Could have been 5-0 with better composure. Molino was definitely missed! Well done. 3-0...

+1

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Football / Re: Thread for T&T vs Guyana Game (25-Mar-2021)
« on: March 25, 2021, 07:05:54 PM »
Telfer needs to STFU and cool it
seem like he is the best we have as of now

Very possibly, and he put in some hard work tonight. The Guyanese were grabbing him and trying to hack him down. But we need him card free!

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Football / Re: Thread for T&T vs Guyana Game (25-Mar-2021)
« on: March 25, 2021, 06:58:41 PM »
Well done T&T! Poon-Angeron was decisive and confident, Judah Garcia and Powder will build confidence with experience. Overall the younger generation held their own

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Football / Re: Thread for T&T vs Guyana Game (25-Mar-2021)
« on: March 25, 2021, 06:36:28 PM »
Telfer needs to STFU and cool it

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Football / Re: Thread for T&T vs Guyana Game (25-Mar-2021)
« on: March 25, 2021, 05:55:50 PM »
Don't forget to eat garlic and aspirin before tuning in Andre Baptiste commentary.

3-0 is a pleasant surprise

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Football / Re: Thread for USA vs T&T Game (31-Jan-2021)
« on: February 04, 2021, 12:53:04 AM »
PS. I almost fell out of my chair when Clark and cyrus claimed that DJW had a plan for football development by giving Stuart charles the responsibility to groom some under 15s as the crop for the future and Brian Williams agreed. they even praised his decision to abandoned the U23 and the rest of the football programs including the women just so he can concentrate on the U 15,

then I recall those same kids being mauled by venezeula and.....I believe it was panama in a tournament where they had not won a single game or even came close, yet these jokers sat there and thumbs up that charade as a good idea?

this is my sincere opinion and conclusion to our failure or success. our football will remain in trouble and our lads embarrassed all over the world if we don’t rid our football of these vermin masquerading as football ambassadors in trinidad and tobago.

they need to start by schooling these kids in a proper footballing environment with European or American coaching staff with a the proper nutritional, physical and mental program. that’s the only way forward.

Then 8-1 they got from Jamaica previous to that was a near-mass-extinction event. Then a  6-0 from the U.S. The icing on the cake was a dead last finish in CONCACAF.

Ah, memories

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Football / Re: Terry Fenwick Thread.
« on: February 04, 2021, 12:26:27 AM »
:-[

Plenty more to be thankful for. Not letting 20 to nothing sour all of that.



 :beermug: :beermug: :beermug:


Every battle is won before it’s ever fought. ― Sun Tzu.

We lost this game about 6 years ago.





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Football / Re: Thread for USA vs T&T Game (31-Jan-2021)
« on: February 01, 2021, 03:24:46 AM »
Football is a team sport. And as much as I had hoped for a better game, meaning a narrow loss, we have to be realistic.
1. Fenwick saw several of these guys for the first time on Friday morning.
2. Several of the guys never saw their teammates before Friday morning much less play with them
3. Watching film and talking through strategy is useless without time putting it into practice.
4. The USMNT has been in training in Florida for weeks and many are on the verge of breaking into the first team.
5. None of the members of the TTMNT play at the top level of US Soccer.

From my observation, several of the players in this game will not put on a shirt for TT when other players join the team. Molino, Garcia, Jones (Joevin), hopefully Frenderup, and several others, now overseas, are likely to be in the game against Guyana and in future qualifiers.
Fenwick was right to accept the game as playing pickup games is no way to determine the quality of your team. We will see who are the resilient ones, who uses this beating as a stimulus to work and get better. The weak minded don't deserve to play irrespective of their individual skill.
Give Fenwick some time. He needs it.

The loss was embarrassing but necessary. It laid bare the truth of T&T football. We are are at USL level. In fact a good USL team might have beaten these guys last night lol. Adding JJ, Molino, Bateau and Garcia might add some dignity to our losses but it won't change the fact that we have not had a successful development program since 2008.  Since we've refused to do so, this and other thrashings will serve as such into the foreseeable future. The best we can hope for is that some players will be shaken out of their complacency and administration will be shamed into into doing better.






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Football / Re: Thread for USA vs T&T Game (31-Jan-2021)
« on: January 27, 2021, 07:54:26 PM »
Big change of the guard. We are in the Fenwick era now for better or for worse. Expect a hard running disciplined team that can hold its shape.


That is a hard, but necessary 1st match. MLS vs USL/ Unattached.  Nonetheless they will surprise people.


Good luck to the staff and players


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Football / Re: FIFA suspends the Trinidad and Tobago Football Association
« on: October 18, 2020, 06:08:34 AM »
With all due respect to the Prime Minister...Pyrrhus of Epirus presented Hellenistic Greece with the last opportunity to curb Roman military expansion. His efforts were lost largely due to bickering, infighting, and insular 'eat-ah-food' self-interest of the Greek city states in the face of the Roman colossus. Sound familiar Mr. Rowley?

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Football / Re: Keith Look Loy Thread
« on: October 18, 2020, 05:41:45 AM »
WATCH: United TTFA power broker Keith Look Loy resigns from football

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/Mb1R8V5R4fk" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/Mb1R8V5R4fk</a>
Good riddance thank you for destroying TT football you silly fool hopefully on October 25th W Wallace and the other clowns will be leaving too.

I can understand why some people couldn't recognize integrity if they were staring it in the face. After so many years of corruption and catastrophic mis-management they lack an internal/external frame of reference. Integrity is not always textbook, but this is what it looks like.


"I don’t think it’s polite to come here and lay your ugly ass eggs in hostile territory."

LOL brilliant!

 


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Football / Re: Keith Look Loy resigns from all T&T football
« on: October 17, 2020, 04:25:27 AM »
Courageous in battle, humble in victory. After years of disgraceful ethics Mr. Look Loy sets an excellent example. Well played
 

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General Discussion / Re: The David Nakhid General Discussion Thread
« on: September 05, 2020, 05:07:35 PM »
One might think that a UNC politician advocating for the "upliftment of black and brown people" would be a smart move. Why not widen the tent?

"T&T is supposed to be uniting to fight COVID". Not sure how addressing historical inequity in the North-central region will cause Corona virus to spread. Very strange

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General Discussion / Re: Ray Apollon as per his daughter
« on: May 29, 2020, 02:04:26 PM »
Ray was my father's friend. I remember always getting excited when he would come to our house for a visit. Ray was a little smaller in real life than in the ring, both in terms of his persona and his physical presence. But he was as soft spoken and gentlemanly a man as you could ever meet. Does not surprise me that his daughter shows such grace. 

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Who's up for the fight? It's time to rumble with an uncompromised message. It's time to protect recent gains. It's time not merely to respond, but to act decisively. It's time to be clear and certain.

Our passport and values are worth nothing if our response is acquiescence.

Do not cosign bullshit and endorse history repeating itself.

Amen

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Allyuh mad?!? Its 2020, the days of Trinbagonians taking this shit are over. Petition signed, money donated. Fack dem, lets go!

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Football / Re: TTFA League of Champions
« on: February 05, 2020, 01:30:40 PM »
Even 17 is pushing it. Only a couple great ones made it past that age and phase. Ridiculous idea. The history, science and sense says No. Just the social aspect causes issues in all manners of life. This is well documented as a detriment to growth.
So what about the 17 and 18 year olds playing across Europe. Didn't a 17 year old score 2 for Barcelona this weekend. Or even closer to home.....does anyone remember a certain Dwight Yorke.
All those Signal Hill Championship teams....who you think they used to play against before they came to Trinidad ??

Playing above your normal level, once the focus is still on development, can pay dividends. Not just for 'star' players. Non-core and fringe players can increase understanding and physical attributes playing up-level.

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Football / Re: TTFA League of Champions
« on: February 05, 2020, 01:14:36 PM »
Even 17 is pushing it. Only a couple great ones made it past that age and phase. Ridiculous idea. The history, science and sense says No. Just the social aspect causes issues in all manners of life. This is well documented as a detriment to growth.
So what about the 17 and 18 year olds playing across Europe. Didn't a 17 year old score 2 for Barcelona this weekend. Or even closer to home.....does anyone remember a certain Dwight Yorke.
All those Signal Hill Championship teams....who you think they used to play against before they came to Trinidad ??
Don’t think you have ever seen 15 prodigies playing together anywhere. Prodigies and special talents do exist, but you talking about a team. In coming up playing with big men, did he play all positions ? Did everyone he play with was as good as him. Could you find 23 of that ilk across the Caribbean? Especially to make a team ( different positions) ? We trying to build a future snr National team, we can’t possibly burnout and injure the best possible prospects at every position, before they get to the important phase. Just an opinion based on studies and science.

Wish it was so easy to make another Yorke, Latas , Archibald or  Cummings.  Until we really know, will leave that to God.
add: Still it's very few, hardly ever a full team, even on a world level.

God might 'make' Yorks or Latapys, but he not running practice.  The responsibility for build a proper foundation and creating the conditions for athletes to reach their full potential is solely the responsibility of man. We must take ownership for that. So far we have not.

I'm not sure what peer-reviewed science says elite athletes should not be pushed. I'm pretty sure a decisive factor separating our youth teams from the top tier of CONCACAF is our over-reliance on practice concepts and strong reluctance to test these concepts under sustained competitive pressure. I'm pretty sure this reluctance to introduce competitive pressure at an earlier age poses a far greater threat to development than possible injury to some 'star' player.

Terry Fenwick succeeded largely by giving local teenagers key leadership responsibilities in defence and midfield of his Jabloteh and Central teams of the 2010s. These teams ran away with successive league titles and were competitive against top club teams in CONCACAF, thereby upending the anachronistic cultural idea that 'yutes cyan run wid big man'.

I think its a safe bet that Fenwick will do better than the last coach, who, ironically, selected the oldest team in CONCACAF and simultaneously compiled the worst record in Trinidad and Tobago history.

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Football / Re: TTFA League of Champions
« on: February 03, 2020, 07:37:46 PM »
It's wildly inappropriate to put U15s up against adults - where else would we feel it appropriate to have adults play sports against a child? We having a spelling bee with 14 year old Timmy vs a truck driver from Sando? What about wrestling between Justin in fourth form and 32 year-old Gary from San Juan?

They won't learn anything useful - this type of thinking is what killed youth development in England for so long. The only kids able to compete are physically more developed, which leads to a bias towards fast, strong players, to the great detriment of technically proficient players. How are they going to compete on corners? Free Kicks?

Just to put this into perspective, I'm an U14's coach - we play 30 minute halves, for a total of 60 minutes, on a smaller pitch. This is what is developmentally appropriate. Throwing kids onto a full-sized pitch for 90 minutes will not benefit their development.

Are the kids you coach national level athletes, some of who may realistically play in a FIFA youth world cup?

It is irresponsible to throw children into an adult sporting environment with no thought given to their care and development. Having won several national championships as an athlete, and later as coach to both adults and youth, I have first hand experience with this.

These kids are at a transitional stage.  At national level we have to start introducing youth to the rigors of the adult game at this very age group. IMO the most challenging aspect of this transition is not physical; its a shift in mindset that needs to be managed with a maximum of care and consideration for the athletes. But it must be done.

15 year old keepers? Maybe, 15 year old outfield players? Exceptional to the extreme. 15 year olds have another foot to grow and a lot more muscle to pile on. They are often going through or just hit puberty, with fragile egos and conflicting emotions.

The most challenging aspect is definitely the physical - technicality doesn't matter when someone can (fairly) muscle you off the ball with ease. The mindset can be achieved with small changes in year groups, specifically managed. Youth leagues generally forbids moving someone more than 2 year groups up, for example.


Perhaps this particular league was not suited to their needs. Regardless, we are well behind the CONCACAF curve in introducing young players into more serious environments. The last U-15s were reportedly together for almost two years. Yet they were as sub-par on a relative basis as past teams that did not have the benefit of staying together. What could be at the root of this performance issue?


Saying we have a tendency to 'baby' our young men and women may have been a bit harsh. To rephrase....Has the football fraternity in Trinidad and Tobago been more comfortable sustaining an amateur sporting culture, and as a corollary showed reluctance to introduce some elements of a more professional culture for our youth?

IMO the physical challenge of playing up can be surmountable by most young athletes. Many opposing CA coaches commend our physicality. Yet T&T youngsters are invariably the first to be winded on the pitch. They often concede heavily during the final moments of games. Over and over again we hear respected national coaches single out the fact that their Central American peers are exposed to more demanding playing environments at an earlier age, as that 'edge' separating those squads from ours.

I'm clearly no football pundit, but this 'edge' seems based on mindset strengths acquired by earlier exposure to serious environments where they learn to adapt to greater physical and and mental performance benchmarks.  Compare those environments to the persistence of the SSFL as a primary benchmark of Trinidad and Tobago players.

Lets be honest. That the SSFL is a STILL an important performance benchmark is very much a reflection of outdated views toward the game/social conventions. Due to our social attitudes, have we been reluctant to embrace professional football as a career path for youth? Are we effectively delaying their entry into the professional ranks to a certain extent? How detrimental has this been to their development?  Part of an effective platform to move forward football should include building on structures that promote professionalism, and give youth greater choice, and responsibility, for their own development.

We also have to be cognizant of deep-seated attitudes that over-emphasize theoretical development at the expense of playing competitive games. This 'Practice champ' national team training over the last 2 years at U-15 has been  an utter failure.

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Football / Re: TTFA League of Champions
« on: February 03, 2020, 06:02:28 PM »
As a coach I was part of a program that took 2nd and 3rd formers that were part of a club program and played then in an adult 'village league'. the results over the 2 years that they participated were exceptional. The first year they lost heavily and the learning curve was steep. At the end of the first year they were miles ahead of their peers. By the end of the 2nd year one boy was training with the National U17 with the likes of Shanon Gomez and levi Garcia. Another eventually left on football scholarship.

You do the math.

I think these kind of results are possible with CAREFUL planning, and taking into account physiological and psychological challenges that might be faced.

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Football / Re: TTFA League of Champions
« on: January 31, 2020, 03:41:55 PM »
It's wildly inappropriate to put U15s up against adults - where else would we feel it appropriate to have adults play sports against a child? We having a spelling bee with 14 year old Timmy vs a truck driver from Sando? What about wrestling between Justin in fourth form and 32 year-old Gary from San Juan?

They won't learn anything useful - this type of thinking is what killed youth development in England for so long. The only kids able to compete are physically more developed, which leads to a bias towards fast, strong players, to the great detriment of technically proficient players. How are they going to compete on corners? Free Kicks?

Just to put this into perspective, I'm an U14's coach - we play 30 minute halves, for a total of 60 minutes, on a smaller pitch. This is what is developmentally appropriate. Throwing kids onto a full-sized pitch for 90 minutes will not benefit their development.

Are the kids you coach national level athletes, some of who may realistically play in a FIFA youth world cup?

It is irresponsible to throw children into an adult sporting environment with no thought given to their care and development. Having won several national championships as an athlete, and later as coach to both adults and youth, I have first hand experience with this.

These kids are at a transitional stage.  At national level we have to start introducing youth to the rigors of the adult game at this very age group. IMO the most challenging aspect of this transition is not physical; its a shift in mindset that needs to be managed with a maximum of care and consideration for the athletes. But it must be done.

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Football / Re: TTFA League of Champions
« on: January 31, 2020, 03:11:49 PM »
The U-15s should now be transitioning to U-17, for the purposes of FIFA. Likeise U-17 to U-20. At what age should they be introduced to league play? Should they be allowed to play in domestic competitions at all?

At what age should they be allowed to play 1st team or 2nd tier football for their professional clubs?

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Football / Re: TTFA League of Champions
« on: January 31, 2020, 05:14:22 AM »
I thought this would have been a good time to have reinstated the National Elite Under 15 Team to this competition.

What's elite about the League of Champions? Square hole,  round peg.

Does it have to be elite? Perhaps this might be a useful initial step to introduce them to a more physical environment than the colleges league they are used to. Might be an insightful gauge as to who can elevate their game understanding, aggression, speed, and risk taking,. The same qualities the Tech stated it wants the T&T player defined by, at every level.

Well,  much of what you want to achieve could be achieved by playing against the U17s who would have a mutual stake in the tactical benefit of that match-up. From there there are a variety of ways to progress the challenge without leaving the NT environment.

I don't think we can overcome certain obstacles by just playing 2-3 games against the U-17s..... That has been done over and over for at least a decade now.  Playing the U-17s will teach them...how to play the U-17s. Playing as a team against multiple teams with multiple variables/unknowns  in a league format would be far more beneficial. Game understanding and ability to adapt would be accelerated. And they can still play the U-17s. The U15s and U-17s in transition to the next age cohort should be both be playing in such a league instead of SSFL if we weren't jokers. No serious nation in CONCACAF has their youth playing schoolboy football. Again,  The "Big man" football in this league may not be ideal but its a rough SIMULATION of what the best nations of CONCACAF and the world do.  And its what WE need. We have to remove these football diapers from these youths and stop wiping they backsides for them.

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Football / Re: TTFA League of Champions
« on: January 31, 2020, 04:56:40 AM »
Disagree totally. The theory being subscribed to by those in favour of placing them in the League of Champions is the Theory of Big Man Football. What they need as a team is structured development not unstructured physicality against haphazard opposition. None of their colleagues in a systemic U15 NT environment are being tossed to the wolves on the off chance that they learn football the hard way. While some individual players find uninhibited  benefit in that rudimentary environment, it is not the appropriate venue  for the full NT squad.

How is it unstructured physicality? And how is that any different from wild running SSFL opposition that these guys often have to face? They are supposed to be taking the lead of the coach, not from the opposition.  Its up to a coach to communicate what he or she wants and see who can fulfill instructions under pressure. I take your point. However we have a long history of over-estimating and coddling young players. With obvious results.

This is certainly not an ideal environment, but its not necessarily an inappropriate one.. Our cultural/natural inclination is not to support but to stand out on the pitch. T&T players simply need a LOT more time together than other national set-ups. We are not the same as Costa Rica, the U S. or Honduras. We must play to our strengths AND address our weaknesses. If we just continue the usual of mimicking what others used to do 10 years ago we might as well pack it in. If this league is not ideal we better find another quick time to address the challenge of teamwork


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Football / Re: TTFA League of Champions
« on: January 30, 2020, 07:36:01 PM »
I thought this would have been a good time to have reinstated the National Elite Under 15 Team to this competition.



Correct.We supposedly have a player and tactical template now. Let them test it in the fire of competition.

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Football / Re: TTFA League of Champions
« on: January 30, 2020, 07:30:03 PM »
I thought this would have been a good time to have reinstated the National Elite Under 15 Team to this competition.

What's elite about the League of Champions? Square hole,  round peg.

Does it have to be elite? Perhaps this might be a useful initial step to introduce them to a more physical environment than the colleges league they are used to. Might be an insightful gauge as to who can elevate their game understanding, aggression, speed, and risk taking,. The same qualities the Tech stated it wants the T&T player defined by, at every level.

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