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Football / Re: Rahim left his mark
« on: July 13, 2005, 09:28:17 PM »
haha....ah love it "The linguistic integrity"
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Football / Re: i hate to admit it
« on: July 13, 2005, 09:15:00 PM »
p.s. we'll take back over soon though........keep the faith
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Football / Re: i hate to admit it
« on: July 13, 2005, 08:54:15 PM »
You sayin dat like yuh eh sure. Jamaica has been better than us for a while now........nothing to admit there......it's plain and simple.........
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Football / Re: Questions:Team: Morale; Leadership, Psyche & Focus
« on: July 13, 2005, 08:48:56 PM »
Good points made Alberta........the intangibles that you comment on are really tough to work on. Morale takes a while to build and can immediately be lost. I felt like spirits began to rise after our two WCQ games under Beenie, but it wasn't enough. It was still too early. We weren't fully convinced. People were looking to be convinced in this Gold Cup and I fear that morale that we built is being broken now. In the absence of a psych., it's up to the technical staff, the players themselves, the media, and public figures to continue to show encouragement and keep the belief high in the camp.
On the field itself it's similar. From my football playing experiences I've noted that physical fitness helps mental fitness and vice versa. It's obvious that the boys were physically tired....so what went down is a self fulfilling prophecy.
The crucial time is now. We need to let the disappointment boil over, and all the powers that be, need to start to re-build morale. The media must do its part. The public must do it's part. The gov't can do something as well. We don't have to wait for a Nov 19th situation for calypsoes to be composed, for us to stream our cars with red ribbons, to have red day, yeah we sucked at Gold Cup, but we can still welcome the local boys at the airport and let them know that we still believe in them......etc etc...Alot of the morale building needs to take place within the camp...and yes a psych is a huge asset, but I think alot can be done outside the camp as well. Alot that I don't think is currently being done.
On the field itself it's similar. From my football playing experiences I've noted that physical fitness helps mental fitness and vice versa. It's obvious that the boys were physically tired....so what went down is a self fulfilling prophecy.
The crucial time is now. We need to let the disappointment boil over, and all the powers that be, need to start to re-build morale. The media must do its part. The public must do it's part. The gov't can do something as well. We don't have to wait for a Nov 19th situation for calypsoes to be composed, for us to stream our cars with red ribbons, to have red day, yeah we sucked at Gold Cup, but we can still welcome the local boys at the airport and let them know that we still believe in them......etc etc...Alot of the morale building needs to take place within the camp...and yes a psych is a huge asset, but I think alot can be done outside the camp as well. Alot that I don't think is currently being done.
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Football / Re: What's running in Jack Warner's mind?
« on: July 13, 2005, 08:23:52 PM »
If he's considering firing Beenie already, he's ten times the jacka$$ of everyone on the forum put together..........How long has beenie been in charge ?.....can't be much more than 2 months. Trinis are very frustrated with our level of football, and are itching for success and good results in a hurry......We are just tired of losing.......I get the feeling that this might unfortunately lead to a short-sighted attitude towards the technical staff. Alot of the sentiment coming from the forum has been quite skeptical toward the coach, as if people were expecting overnight results and miracles. In our excitement we forget that football programs, especially at the highest level take time to revamp and re-build. I could excuse that over-excitedness from some ignorant fans to a certain extent, but I hope that this is not the same attitude of management..........then again asking Jack to be at a level of thinking higher than the ingorant may be asking too much.
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Football / Re: Beenie Man did NOT Experiment!!
« on: July 13, 2005, 02:56:46 PM »
Funny enough, to a certain extent, playing Stern may have been some kind of test......I think he was trying to give stern as much of a chance as he possible, given his past reputation but yeah it was frustrating to watch but......I dunno what can be said about Stern that hasn't already been said.....I hope for his sake and ours that he finds his form back (if he has it left in him)..........we'll just have to wait and see.
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Football / Re: Beenie Man did NOT Experiment!!
« on: July 13, 2005, 02:29:51 PM »
I wasn't trying to be difficult, I was just trying to understand your point..........Just because he didn't make the changes and the subs that you figured were the best decisions, doesn't mean that he was not experimenting........That's all I was saying.
I believe that he did experiment. Some of the G.Cup players probably messed up their future chances at the end of this test. I believe that to a certain extent he was giving certain players a chance, a fair chance. Did those players take their chance ? -maybe not. Could he have included other players more in his experiment ?- sure. Did he give some players too much of a chance ?- Maybe in the interest of doing well in the Gold Cup, sure he gave them too much of a chance. But who knows, his vision may be more long term. To Beenie, this Gold Cup may have served to be one test/experiment to decide who he'll go forward with the WCQ.....you'll have to ask him to know for sure.
I agree with your point that experimentation was not the reason we were unsuccessful, at least not the only reason...... but I disagree that this Gold Cup was not experimental from the coaches point of view. No need to humor me boss, my point is simple........
I believe that he did experiment. Some of the G.Cup players probably messed up their future chances at the end of this test. I believe that to a certain extent he was giving certain players a chance, a fair chance. Did those players take their chance ? -maybe not. Could he have included other players more in his experiment ?- sure. Did he give some players too much of a chance ?- Maybe in the interest of doing well in the Gold Cup, sure he gave them too much of a chance. But who knows, his vision may be more long term. To Beenie, this Gold Cup may have served to be one test/experiment to decide who he'll go forward with the WCQ.....you'll have to ask him to know for sure.
I agree with your point that experimentation was not the reason we were unsuccessful, at least not the only reason...... but I disagree that this Gold Cup was not experimental from the coaches point of view. No need to humor me boss, my point is simple........
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Football / Re: Beenie Man did NOT Experiment!!
« on: July 13, 2005, 12:00:07 PM »
What are you trying to say ? that he did not experiment, or that experimenting was not the reason we lost.........Your point is getting a little mixed up in your rant and rave..
I agree that experimenting was not the reason we were unsuccesful. There are many reasons why we did poorly.......player selection probably being the least signifcant. Let's be honest-none of our players are really that pivotal, and have the ability to lift our performance to a degree that would have won us the tournament. Yorke and Edwards would have made a difference, but to think that we'd be a strong squad with them is wishful thinking......If we find the right combination of guys, include our strongest players, and play them consistently over time, sure we'd be a better squad but in this tournament we just were not good enough.
To say the he did NOT experiment (as per your subject title) however, is an unintelligent statement. As long as Beenie has not made a final decision on what his line up is for the W.C., then the Gold Cup team can be considered experimental. An experiment is just a test that can be carried out to different degrees. A coach can experiement with the same line up for multiple games if he desires. Yes he didn't use all of the options/alternatives to the degree that he could have, but given the longer term vision of the football campaign, it has to be said that this squad was an experiment......if not, then God help us.
I agree that experimenting was not the reason we were unsuccesful. There are many reasons why we did poorly.......player selection probably being the least signifcant. Let's be honest-none of our players are really that pivotal, and have the ability to lift our performance to a degree that would have won us the tournament. Yorke and Edwards would have made a difference, but to think that we'd be a strong squad with them is wishful thinking......If we find the right combination of guys, include our strongest players, and play them consistently over time, sure we'd be a better squad but in this tournament we just were not good enough.
To say the he did NOT experiment (as per your subject title) however, is an unintelligent statement. As long as Beenie has not made a final decision on what his line up is for the W.C., then the Gold Cup team can be considered experimental. An experiment is just a test that can be carried out to different degrees. A coach can experiement with the same line up for multiple games if he desires. Yes he didn't use all of the options/alternatives to the degree that he could have, but given the longer term vision of the football campaign, it has to be said that this squad was an experiment......if not, then God help us.
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Football / Re: Yes the weakhearted and waggonists have revealed themselves!
« on: July 12, 2005, 07:07:56 PM »
I with Touches on that one........keep perspective and keep the faith............
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Football / Re: Rahim left his mark
« on: July 12, 2005, 06:30:26 PM »
haha...he decided to slot it in.......ah like that.......
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Football / Re: Rahim left his mark
« on: July 12, 2005, 06:05:19 PM »
Although Rahin did eventually put the ball over the line clumsily.........he can in no way, be used as a scapegoate for that loss or not even the goal for that matter........focussing a bulk of the criticism on him is dumb.........
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Football / Re: Somebody tell me some Positives from de Gold Cup
« on: July 12, 2005, 05:35:21 PM »
I think we defended well at times in the first game, and we scored one of the goals of the tournament............ I didn't see the Panama game, but we scored twice and seemed to have kept the fight strong until the last minute.......... and in the Colombia game the only positives that jump out at me were the good saves from Jack.
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Football / perspective
« on: July 12, 2005, 05:32:41 PM »
In the aftermath of a disgraceful performance, I can understand that everyone on the forum is venting their frustrations. Funny enough these are the same people who were about to jump on the Beenie Man bandwagon and prematurely speak about going to Germany for sure yadda yadda after the first 2 qualifiers with the dutchman in charge......People need to put everything in perspective.
1. Beenie Man is a reputable coach. His resume is stacked and I have faith in his competence. He did not turn from a "boss coach" to a poor tactician between taking over and leading us through the Gold Cup. He is still getting used to the team, still experimenting, he is human, will make mistakes and most of all he is not a miracle worker. We have to keep the faith that he will do the right thing when it counts most.
2. A new coach is not going to solve all of our problems. We still have the same crop of players, many of whom are very incapable at the world stage, and sad but true, there are many weaknesses in our squad that cannot be coached or un-coached.
After this Gold Cup, it is clear that not as huge of an imrovement as we expected, has been made, but there has been some improvement, and given the short space of time that Beenie has been in charge, there is still some promise for the upcoming games. Let us not mirror the short sightedness of the TTFA in our comments and opinions. We may very well not go to Germany. Frankly at this point we do not yet deserve to. At the end of the day..............we need to stay positive and most of all keep perspective. If, not you're just wasting time and energy supporting the squad.
1. Beenie Man is a reputable coach. His resume is stacked and I have faith in his competence. He did not turn from a "boss coach" to a poor tactician between taking over and leading us through the Gold Cup. He is still getting used to the team, still experimenting, he is human, will make mistakes and most of all he is not a miracle worker. We have to keep the faith that he will do the right thing when it counts most.
2. A new coach is not going to solve all of our problems. We still have the same crop of players, many of whom are very incapable at the world stage, and sad but true, there are many weaknesses in our squad that cannot be coached or un-coached.
After this Gold Cup, it is clear that not as huge of an imrovement as we expected, has been made, but there has been some improvement, and given the short space of time that Beenie has been in charge, there is still some promise for the upcoming games. Let us not mirror the short sightedness of the TTFA in our comments and opinions. We may very well not go to Germany. Frankly at this point we do not yet deserve to. At the end of the day..............we need to stay positive and most of all keep perspective. If, not you're just wasting time and energy supporting the squad.
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Football / Re: Thread For T&T vs Colombia.
« on: July 12, 2005, 05:00:54 PM »
I Think Flex needs to close out and delete this thread, because there is really nothing constructive that can be said about that game/Trinidad's performance......
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Football / Re: Thread For T&T vs Colombia.
« on: July 12, 2005, 03:55:57 PM »
Trinidad in a nutshell - poor passing and execution overall.......no movement off the ball/lack of creativity.....sloppy defending until 12 yrds from our own goal.....and everything we do is at slow motion pace............unless things change drastically in the second half, my opinion is that we're not ready........keeping the faith though
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Football / Re: Thread For T&T vs Colombia.
« on: July 12, 2005, 03:51:56 PM »
half time 0-0 not an encouraging display by T&T.........
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Football / Re: Rewind: Name these players
« on: July 12, 2005, 01:09:43 PM »
Hahahaha.........hard luck............sorry for rushin' de brush outta timin'.....................thanks for the E for effort anyway........especially since I evidently handled it without reading any of the other posts........(strike squad peong........... wha ah go say.....)
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Football / Re: Rewind: Name these players
« on: July 12, 2005, 12:55:45 PM »
Back row L-R Dexter Francis, Kerry Jamerson, Mike Maurice, Leonson Lewis, Dexter Lee
Front row L-R Hutson Charles, Russel Latapy, Dwight Yorke, Clayton Morris, Marvin Faustin, Philbert Jones
Are you sure that was in 1992 ?.....that line up seems to be the line up against Guatemala in the 89/90 campaign when Dexter Lee stepped in for Brian Williams........anyways........bitter sweet memories
Front row L-R Hutson Charles, Russel Latapy, Dwight Yorke, Clayton Morris, Marvin Faustin, Philbert Jones
Are you sure that was in 1992 ?.....that line up seems to be the line up against Guatemala in the 89/90 campaign when Dexter Lee stepped in for Brian Williams........anyways........bitter sweet memories
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Football / attitude change- positive sign
« on: July 07, 2005, 10:33:46 AM »
I watched the TT-Honduras game on TV last night in Chicago, and I won't bother to re-iterate the sentiments of everyone here on the forum....I agree with most of what has been said
...what I must say is that it's refreshing to see that we have finally gotten back to the mentality that we must beat teams in like Honduras. Recently the deplorable standard of Trinidad football allowed us to regress mentally and be satisfied with draws against regional teams such as Honduras. Today we're dissappointed with that result....and that is how I remember it to be years back when our football was on the brink of being globally competitive.
I think that attitude amongst the public, the team and the staff will play a huge part in our potential success in the rest of this CONCACAF championship and more importantly our world cup qualifying campaign.
big up
-kicker
p.s. Any ideas on a left winger who could make a difference ?
...what I must say is that it's refreshing to see that we have finally gotten back to the mentality that we must beat teams in like Honduras. Recently the deplorable standard of Trinidad football allowed us to regress mentally and be satisfied with draws against regional teams such as Honduras. Today we're dissappointed with that result....and that is how I remember it to be years back when our football was on the brink of being globally competitive.
I think that attitude amongst the public, the team and the staff will play a huge part in our potential success in the rest of this CONCACAF championship and more importantly our world cup qualifying campaign.
big up
-kicker
p.s. Any ideas on a left winger who could make a difference ?
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Football / a loss, but still encouraging
« on: June 09, 2005, 06:40:30 PM »
We lost- not a shocker. The bigger surprise was the manner in which we lost. It was the first time that we ever put up such a fight in Mexico. I am still confident about our chances, and I was extremely proud to see that we played such a gutsy game. With a little more luck, we could have come away with a point.
As long as the spirits stay up and we continue to improve, we'll get the points we need to at least make the play off (spot 4).
This is my summary of our strengths/what was encouraging and weaknesses/room for improvement.
Strengths:
1. Heart and conviction
2. Organization in defense
3. more structure coming forward
4. Birchall
5. Edwards
6. Yorke
Weaknesses:
1. We could use a stronger keeper
2. We need a natural left winger
3. We need a more dominant skilful/creative central middie to complement Birchall
4. We need to tighten up our passing game, to avoid unnecessary give-aways, especially in the middle of the field.
5. depth on the bench (not sure how possible that is)
Overall I was satisfied
Lemme know what you guys think
As long as the spirits stay up and we continue to improve, we'll get the points we need to at least make the play off (spot 4).
This is my summary of our strengths/what was encouraging and weaknesses/room for improvement.
Strengths:
1. Heart and conviction
2. Organization in defense
3. more structure coming forward
4. Birchall
5. Edwards
6. Yorke
Weaknesses:
1. We could use a stronger keeper
2. We need a natural left winger
3. We need a more dominant skilful/creative central middie to complement Birchall
4. We need to tighten up our passing game, to avoid unnecessary give-aways, especially in the middle of the field.
5. depth on the bench (not sure how possible that is)
Overall I was satisfied
Lemme know what you guys think
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Football / Re: this "attractive football" trinidadians like to see
« on: June 07, 2005, 11:17:15 AM »
The dutch brand of soccer is sometimes known for it's "over-correctness"...and lack of flare, which has on occasion stifled very talented dutch players...that however is just an opinion, and anyone's opinion is as good as anothers....Personally, I've seen dutch squads who have blended both the flare and the correctness, and have done well, and been attractive to watch at the same time
....With respect to the warriors, I think Trinidad needs some of that correctness and discipline, especially now that we lack some of the more creative and individually talented players that we had years ago....I think the tactical awareness, discipline and technical focus typified by the dutch is good for our team....afterall, it has made a big difference so far.
....With respect to the warriors, I think Trinidad needs some of that correctness and discipline, especially now that we lack some of the more creative and individually talented players that we had years ago....I think the tactical awareness, discipline and technical focus typified by the dutch is good for our team....afterall, it has made a big difference so far.
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Football / The Dawg- surgery or not ?
« on: June 05, 2005, 08:58:03 PM »
Firstly, what a relief it was for me to check the live scores on soccernet and see that we finally won a game........sounds like we didn't play too badly either......anyway.................
What you fellas think about the Dog refusing to go under the knife......the experts seem to think that he should have surgery...........based on the Touches report, it sounded like he had a scare against Panama........I fear that in the long run it might hurt our chances.........and his career..... We have built our defense around him so far....if he were to go out at a crucial point in the qualifying round, or even just before/during the world cup, should we qualify........I fear it could be a heartbreaking blow for the Warriors....
At the same time, we're at a point where our hardest qualifying games are upon us, and we've dropped too many crucial points already.......so we need our best guys in each game coming up..........
What y'all think ??
What you fellas think about the Dog refusing to go under the knife......the experts seem to think that he should have surgery...........based on the Touches report, it sounded like he had a scare against Panama........I fear that in the long run it might hurt our chances.........and his career..... We have built our defense around him so far....if he were to go out at a crucial point in the qualifying round, or even just before/during the world cup, should we qualify........I fear it could be a heartbreaking blow for the Warriors....
At the same time, we're at a point where our hardest qualifying games are upon us, and we've dropped too many crucial points already.......so we need our best guys in each game coming up..........
What y'all think ??