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Football / Re: Euro 2008: Portugal vs Germany

« on: June 19, 2008, 01:36:50 PM »

Não me faça isto! Por favor não me faça isto!
Venha em meninos! Vitória Portugal![/color]

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Football / Re: Jack really brilliant yes...How we go play Cuba in the US?

« on: June 17, 2008, 08:55:42 AM »

I live in the states and would love to see TnT play a WCQ....

but my greed and excitment to see more WCQs does not outweigh my patriotism to Trinidad and Tobago...

Its is not right to play away from home soil!

allyuh talking but when the game 2 days away, yuh booking ticket and car pooling to see the game, watch and see, if you dont go, it have 20-30000 who will, i willing to bet that, bc trinidad never play a wcq in areas where there is a high concentration of trinis, miami being one, dc being another and of course new york, i dey for sure if we playing in miami and thousands of others, you think jw dont know that 

God is de BOSS....

Nobody arguing that fact.... game will definitely be played in a high concentration city with TnT ex-pats... But anywhere that there are TnT peoples there is a high correlation to having large Latin american population.... its a mute point! The Alpha return to TTFA's pocket will be the the total increase in gate entrants, and that Alpha is capitalised most from the latin population...

I will certainly go the game if its in the USA.... but if I had a choice of me seeing the game in the USA or inot seeing the game because it was at home.... I will sacirfice my needs for it to be home.... 100% of the time.

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Football / Re: Jack really brilliant yes...How we go play Cuba in the US?

« on: June 17, 2008, 08:44:12 AM »

I live in the states and would love to see TnT play a WCQ....

but my greed and excitment to see more WCQs does not outweigh my patriotism to Trinidad and Tobago...

Its is not right to play away from home soil!

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Football / Re: Warner: No W/Cup games here!

« on: June 17, 2008, 08:24:48 AM »

well well well, jack flip the script, for all the ex-pats in the US and canada, looks like we finally seeing tt live and on tv ah sorry for my people in tt and its terrible it have to come like this but ill tell allyuh something if tt play a wcq in giants stadium it will sell out, you will see a bigger crowd for tt against any team than home in tt. Jack will make a killing bc the ex-pats will come to see this game, hell tens of thousands will drive down from canada to ee the bloody game, jack call trump, hunt call bush.

God is de BOSS...

I think you are over exagerating.  I have driven to all of the World Cup qualifiers Trinbago played on the East Coast in the last 12 years, whether it was in Virigina on a cold ass Sunday or Boston on a hot Wednesday or Conneticut and those games were played in much smaller stadiums, they were no where close to being sold out.  As for ex-pats driving down from Canada, that might happen if the game is in Buffalo but please do not try to pull the comforter folks in Trini eyes that Canadans travel well to games T&T play in the US.  All yuh did not travel in no big numbers for any of those games or if you did, you were stopped at the border.

The average fan in de US also might not be as rabid to view a game when our standard has taken a drop from the World Cup team.  As for the Latin American fans, I suspect that in out home games in the US, we will be the minority.  Is that good??

Blessings

TI yuh close - is not the TT based crowd he after alone.... the multiple of Latin Americans is where the $$ will be made
LSJ we will be outnumbered


1) Jack has probably negotiated with US soccer Federation and other officials to get venues here for next to nothing
2) He can charge alot more money for tickets in the USA
3) Since its a home game, gate receipts will be TTFA's
4) If the game is held in USA, there will be more total fan turnout, because of the large latin american populations here
5) We still need to beat Bermuda

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Football / Re: Warner: No W/Cup games here!

« on: June 17, 2008, 07:39:05 AM »

I disagree... f00ck Hunt and f00ck the T&T government, let the USA or who ever else get de money, why should it go back to T&T when they are NOT doing anything to help our football, imagine we own players cant even play in we national stadium....

Uhm... where was the England friendly held?  Since when "we own" players can't play in the national stadium?  Fella this ent 'we' football... this is Jack team and Jack say he ent paying de rent they ask for so that is why the team end up in de Marvin Lee.  Yuh expect the government to let the TTFF use the stadium and collect ticket money and not pay no rent?

I does really wonder how some ah allyuh men make it past Primary School yes.

Stop being ignorant because it sounding like you went Holy Name Convent..... then again, that school might be too good for fools like you..

Let me ask you this then....

So why was our game played at the Marvin Lee Stadium ? de TTFF have to charge for tickets, have to... maybe not so much but they have to...... de government cant give the stadium free and expect people to enter free.... players, accomidations, flights etc etc have to get paid for..... especially since de gvernment dont get anything....

De government cannot charge the same price for the rental of the stadium for differnet games and teams, simple as that. England yes, because that was a sell out game but come on man, not aganist Bermuda, Guyana, Jamaica etc etc.... get real bro....

I wonder how much de T&T clubs have to pay to play there then ?

De thing is, everybody whining and dinning and no body stepping up to de plate.....

Allyuh start a protest be the TTFF office, lets plan one then.... or come up with something then.... but let me warn you, NO ONE CAN STOP Jack Warner..... !!!!!!!! but time..... but dont spite de country because of one man.... we have to support de team...... because even if we loose and aint qualify for the 2010 WC, Jack will STILL BE HERE...... and still be around next world cup... no justice will be served if we DONT MAKE it !!!!!! NONE !!!!!!! so what choice do we have ? we players get dog treatment and they still here, no ?

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

This is simple fellas.... Hunt gave Warner an opportunity. Perfect example of Jack Warner making Lemon Juice out of Lemon's. Very Shrewd business man indeed, I am in awe of his talent to expolit the slimest of opportunities to make money. But as a Fan I must say it is absolutley unconsciable to think that TnT will be playing Home games on foriegn soil.

1) Jack has probably negotiated with US soccer Federation and other officials to get venues here for next to nothing
2) He can charge alot more money for tickets in the USA
3) Since its a home game, gate receipts will be TTFA's
4) If the game is held in USA, there will be more total fan turnout, because of the large latin american populations here
5) We still need to beat Bermuda
 
Jack has no sort of patriotism and a personality lacking shame. A great man is not concerned with his acheivements and possessions, he is concerned with his legacy... clearly Jack Warner has yet to realise his marks today are going to be forgotten or at least imbued with negativity.

"The great men of earth are the shadow men, who, having lived and died, now live again and forever through their undying thoughts. Thus living, though their footfalls are heard no more, their voices are louder than the thunder, and unceasing as the flow of tides or air."

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Football / Re: We need a WN Press Officer!!!

« on: June 16, 2008, 07:07:07 PM »

to go to these press conferences and ask the pertinent questions that are not being asked...

is this possible?

great idea!!!

I don't think it should be hard to get press credentials.... after all this site is a legitimate news medium, we are a democratic nation with civil liberties and freedom of press.

although Lasana might be the obvisous choice, I think it should be someone fresh, impartial, and collected under pressure. Someone who will represent our collected voice and not their own agendas.

there has to be someone on the forum, that can give us advice and the precursors on going about getting press credentials...

this is the suggestion of the year!

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Football / Re: D Touches Match Report TT vs Bermuda...Maturana has been found out

« on: June 16, 2008, 09:38:45 AM »

I think the entire team needs to have a good thrash out session. Let man cuss one another, fight, get all the bad feelings out. Then put it aside and focus on the task at hand.

We are Trinis...we like to do things the hard way and give people heart attack..... We will score 2 in the last 5 minutes iand win 3-1.

Then it will be joy and celebration.

Touches,

If only it were that easy eh, well I hope yuh right wee... I honestly think if it ent bermuda it will be at the hands of someone else.  Players who we were supposed to build up from the last campaign have been shutout and some have taken back steps by themselves. Some individuals who play the game have not grasped the opportunity and moved forward, getting caught up in tra-la-la (i.e. theobald).... opportunities in life dont come by often, yuh make yuh own luck, these guys need to get hungry!


Also its easy and warrants little merit in me being a monday morning quarterback, and lambasting the coaching staff about using a 3-5-2 formation, but I am going do it anyway... what the hell were they thinking, it is clear that they underestimated Bermuda's team and figured they throw any 11 out there and get a favorable result. WE SHOULD NEVER PLAY 3-5-2. We don't have the personell, technical ability, experience and speed in defence for us to run 3-5-2.

Honestly I thnk the most important thing for our players now, is to try and get abroad as soon as possible, because development is not happening at home. Go to North America, Central America, South America... just go if yuh could make side, doh worry about money right now... go for two years get that much needed experience...

Touches, Thanks once again for the match report, if only our play were as clever as your report.

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Football / Re: Your Kids - What are your plans?

« on: June 13, 2008, 09:52:19 AM »

I not sure if my daughter will be a warrior princess nah.............to much games. If she continue going how she going she will be a very good player. I would love for her to play for the Red, White and Black, but it eh looking to promising.

Elan, with girls its a little more tricky, but by no means is being a girl a barrier for any sport (just needed to say that so I dont get in trouble). I have a sister that I take care of, it was tough trying to figure out what to get her into. After testing out swimming, gymnastics and golf we finally settled in with a golf focus at age 8. She has done well over the years and will be playing for TnT in the caribbean junior golf championships next month. I think if you lay out a plan early, you can find natural ability somewhere and then build on it.

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Football / Your Kids - What are your plans?

« on: June 13, 2008, 09:06:22 AM »

There is a wide age range when it comes to guys on this forum, which only adds to the diverse and educational view points expressed. But this topic can really pertain to all.

Do any of you have Kids yet? What are your plans as far as getting the youngster involved in football? Have you thought about it? Do you think its possible to create a footballer? For the guys who dont have kids, you can chime in too, as to your future plans?

Future Warriors in the making!

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Football / Re: Euro 2008 Germany vs Croatia

« on: June 12, 2008, 11:21:39 AM »

2-0

anyone else here impressed by the qualtiy of the euro 2008 website?

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Football / Re: Ruud's 'offside' goal reveals international offside chaos

« on: June 11, 2008, 06:34:28 PM »

So here is how the rule in my opinion should be interpreted and implemented


  If the player who was behind the goal injured could have stepped back onto the field of play without the ref's consent then the goal should stand.

  If the player needed to get the ref's permission before returning to the game then it's offside.

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Football / Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's

« on: June 11, 2008, 11:21:18 AM »

The people who are proposing that Jack is/was good for our football and even those who are taking an equivocal stance and unsure either don’t know or don’t care to know about the history of Jack Warner and our football.

Some talking about speculating about where the football would have been and counting Jack’s "tangible" achievements yet ignoring all of his numerous "tangible" failures.

To be clear, as Pardners suggests you have to compare Jack and his TTFF to a hypothetical alternative but this could be easily done by examining how Jack’s TTFF has performed and asking whether their performance has been par for the course.

It is without a doubt below par when you consider that the job of the TTFF should be development and advancement of our football.

In the 90’s we start a pro-league and we are seeing the benefits of that now but there was one 15 years earlier that Jack personally destroyed because he did not control it.

Under Jack’s control we have a federation that is 5th rate. Always broke, unprofessional and unaccountable. Some people see that as a footnote, a minor indiscretion, but that has to be the biggest point to judge them on because it is an indictment of the performance of the federation. It is the biggest indicator that the success on the field is in spite of, and not because of our federation.

It is not a stretch to assume that we would have better results with a federation that was even passable, and more importantly, ACCOUNTABLE for their performance and subject to revolution, if necessary. That is not speculation anymore than saying that the WC team playing for the last two years with no Blacklist, would be better than the team we have now. The fact that they haven’t been playing and that we ARE worse off (no speculation there) is a direct result of Jack.

Chow is right when he alludes to youth development. In the 70’s, 80’s and early 90’s we had no shortage of talented youngsters. Not necessarily better than in African or Asian countries or even the rest of Concacaf but good enough o be competitive hence our success in competing for WC berths in those decades. A half decent federation would have been able to develop a coherent youth programme. Why because it is not rocket science and there are models all over the world to follow. Such programmes in the last 20 years would have had a greater impact on our football, where we have more talent than structure, than larger countries like England and the US where they already have structured football development.

Now as for Jack’s Concacaf accomplishments.

The extra place and a half for Concacaf has less to do with Jack than with the fact that the Concacaf head controls 30 plus votes. Yes Jack is particular good at FIFA politics but the 3rd place was always coming with the expansion from 24 to 32 because we missed out when they expanded from 16 to 24. Jack had nothing to do with that. The extra 0.5 spot is ours in ‘06 and ’10 because Asia had too many spots, again very little to do with Jack, and it is unreasonable to suggest that another Concacaf head would not have earned the spot.

What Jack has done for TnT that a different Concacaf head would not is give us the U17 WC and get the Gov’t to build new Stadia. I am not counting the CoE because the main beneficiary of that is Joe Public (we know ho owns that) and the company that makes money of the Hotel, conference centre and restaurant there (guess who owns it?).

Now you could argue the value of the U17 WC but that is a tournament attended by teams and media only and gets very little intl exposure (not even 1/20th of a senior WC).

Also I have a hard time basking in “accomplishments” that are the result of Jack’s strongarm tactics or unprofessionalism like the England game or even the CoE. He is basically taking advantage of his Concacaf role to help one federation where he has a personal interest.

FF is right everytime we rejoice for Uncle Jack giving us such a gift keep in mind that he is just as nepotistic and self-serving for his own interests when they collide with TnT’s best interests.

The biggest joke is that Jack "give" TnT something when, in fact, Jack built his powerbase, the CFU, on the back of TnT’s dominance of Caribbean football. No TnT success and no CFU, no Concacaf and no FIFA for Jack. The irony is that now that he all-powerful we not even the best in the Caribbean anymore. Jack owes TnT football more than he could ever repay.

The question that those pro-Jack have to ask is Why is Jack such a fantastic success at managing his personal businesses and FIFA yet he is so unsuccessful at managing a federation where he has total control and no oversight (a situation that he has engineered). There is no way the pros could even come close to the cons because jack believes that he is the be all and end all where our football is concerned and he generally disregards dissenting opinions even when he is dead wrong. At the end of the day the federation suffers.

Excellent points JDB... another angle to consider....

As one person mentioned earlier, the Govt is not responsible for our football development and in many countries their Federations are a separate entity from the State, although I still believe the Govt gives a helping hand in some instances.

But with that said;
Its takes a massive amount of resources to truly develop a successful and sustainable program, (eg. MLS currently runs a loss of 350mm USD since being formed) being from a small caribbean nation where do these financial resources come from? Jack is definitely to blame for some of it, but arguably the money he has filtered out of the system probably wont even begin to scratch the surface of the totality of funds needed.

So are we the Fans just as much to blame for not supporting our local football in the various ways? Are we "general public" just as much to blame? What about corporate sponsors, its their civic and corporate responsibilty to give back to the communtiy in varying ways, is this being done on an agreeable level? Or are we ust to small of a nation with a lack of resource to get things done properly, is this our footballing fate?

I think in order to succeed for a country of our size, in anything we do, we need a collabortive effort from Govt, Corp, TTFA and the Public. But from a footballing perspective, is it Jack and his shrewd ways that has alienated these factions, from getting involved. I would say that each of these entities has failed TnT football in varying ways over the years? 

Including myself. I am to Blame!

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Football / Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's

« on: June 10, 2008, 03:22:53 PM »

 Boy I tell yuh. You read book and don't know chapter.  You want to throw out the words like  "laughable" and "speculative" and yet YOU cannot tell me who would have gotten those extra spots that JH campained fifa for........I will give you time to do the math.....ahhh, sorry, the research.    

Yuh regurgitating out all the research you went to perform and you are yet to acknowledge that, for all that work that Alan Rothenberg performed, he understood that usa soccer wasn't going anywhere at the senior level, unless they properly developed their YOUTHS. I'm sure you, the omnipotent one, was at the Hasely Crawford that fateul night back in '83 to see for yourself.  You is the kinda man who could tell people all what Roger Milla and Cameroun was doing in Italy in 1990 don't have a CLUE (well, now you do, thanks to google) what strides them African Nations were making and the impact they were having at the youth Tournaments that would eventally,  or, dare I say "inevitably" spill over into their performances at the senior level.  

What jackula has done "for" T&T football, as you want to put it has all been self serving and counter productive and for all the money he has stolen, he could have kept on stealing as far as I am concerned, it's just that some of it could have been better appropriated towards a better cause for our football.    
I dare say that proper investment in our youth development would have taken us many, many strides ahead of where we are now.            

You sound bitter.  Come back when yuh making some sense.

    I'll never make sense to you, boss.  I'm a person that plays the game and you're a football intelectual.  You know everything that information can teach to a non-footballer and I my appreciation for the sport comes from a more involved perspective.  But I can accept clowns like you because, even though you always puttin' your foot in your mouth and making yourself look the educated fool, rife with self contradictions and petty diversions, there's still plenty space in the world for you.   You'll eventually grow.  

lets us try not to de-evolve into throwing stones, like so many other threads, the debate going good, I think bake n shark make some good points from a logical stand point and I also see that there have been many good counter points... no need for who is a footballer and who is not, I tend not to judge a book by its cover. But also even the being a best footballer doesn't mean you are good at management and development and vice versa. I like the input

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Football / Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's

« on: June 09, 2008, 09:38:48 AM »

If yuh uncle take yuh in, feed yuh, clothe yuh, send yuh to skool, Does that mean  he can bull yuh too ?

I ask this question in response to dis..

Hmmmm, that is an toughy!! lol

Is it brand name clothes, a top class university and plenty nice food?

What are the options?  I only getting bull once every four years? I wouldnt have to eat anyting otherwise?

We should do a anonymous poll..........lol

ah love it!!

ps, good one gilbert!!

Ah all men is kicks yes... Andre actually rationalizing! haha
thanks for the replies fellas

It seems the general consensus implied by the majority of replies is that Jack is bad, done deal we know, but many have not tackled the actual question...  are we better off with him or without him? and why?

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Football / Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's

« on: June 08, 2008, 04:47:12 PM »

I know alot of guys are passionate about this topic, this is niether an attempt to support, defend, promote or even justify Jack Warner and his dealings, its merely a question I have to the forum.

With all the negative things Jack has done, do we benefit more by having him or not having him?
If Jack Warner were to resign from FIFA, more than likely the next Concacaf Representative will not be from Trinidad, will a US Representative do better for Trinidad than Jack Warner, will we better off?

For instance
1) Would you rather get to see England on home soil, and know that Jack making some serious dollars on the side, OR never see England on home soil?

Basically, we all know Jack bad, there is no disputing that, and I wish he was a benevolent person, we would all be better off, but sometimes you got to live with compromise, and see the big picture, or sometimes you just got to say enough is enough and get rid of a tyrant...

So are we better off with Money Man Jack or would we better off with another (foreign) representative for Concacaf?
Answer as if we are dealing in absolutes, yes we will be better off, no we wont be better off... and state your reasoning.

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Football / Re: C. Ronaldo reveals Madrid desire!!

« on: June 05, 2008, 01:01:40 PM »

ManUtd = Feeder club to bigger teams like Real Madrid and Chelsea...

Not a big fish anymore?

But lets face it, de man want to win as much tings as possible!! He doen win everything in England already: Champions League, Premier League, FA Cup, Scoring Title, MVP etc

Time to move on......

but I eh find nothing wrong with what ronaldo saying.... and what he said wasn't disrespectful to ManU at all, in my opinion...

De man basically say he want to play for them if they give him more money, simple...  don't matter what profession you in,  many of us will probably express the same desire if somebody offer alot more money right or wrong? so ii really doh see wha man gallery off of.

is not like he come out and say he want out of ManU at all cost... is ah $$ thing. Best of luck to him if he goes, we will spend the money wisely to strengthen the squad.

am i wrong on this?

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Football / Re: Thread for the T&T vs England Game (01-Jun-2008).

« on: June 01, 2008, 05:37:58 PM »

Hyland impressed he needs to seek a contract aboard to develop more.... definitely has 1st div talent at the moment... could be great in future

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Football / Re: Thread for the T&T vs England Game (01-Jun-2008).

« on: June 01, 2008, 04:32:06 PM »

from the way the knee bent, i would assume its the MCL

Grade I MCL Tear
This is an incomplete tear of the MCL. The tendon is still in continuity, and the symptoms are usually minimal. Patients usually complain of pain with pressure on the MCL, and may be able to return to their sport very quickly. Most athletes miss 1-2 weeks of play.

Grade II MCL Tear
Grade II injuries are also considered incomplete tears of the MCL. These patients may complain of instability when attempting to cut or pivot. The pain and swelling is more significant, and usually a period of 3-4 weeks of rest is necessary.

Grade III MCL Tear
A grade III injury is a complete tear of the MCL. Patients have significant pain and swelling, and often have difficulty bending the knee. Instability, or giving out, is a common finding with grade III MCL tears. A knee brace or a knee immobilizer is usually needed for comfort, and healing may take 6 weeks or longer.

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Football / Re: Yorke has a change heart.

« on: June 01, 2008, 10:32:51 AM »

wha allyuh men go do if latapy run out of the dressing room half time boi.....

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Football / Re: T&T vs ENG Game on TV in NY?

« on: May 30, 2008, 04:16:39 PM »

go here to search by zip code / post code

http://130.94.23.190/navenuefinder.html

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Football / Re: T&T vs ENG Game on TV in NY?

« on: May 30, 2008, 01:23:53 PM »

I would call first though- but here are the Toronto Bars

here is the link for fellas in other states

http://130.94.23.190/navenuefinder.html


Bar/Venue  Main Event (Toronto) 
 Address 2368 Yonge Street
 City Toronto, ON M4P 2E6
 Phone 416-544-8070
 Distance  2.59 miles (approx.) [map] 
 
 
 Bar/Venue  Scallywags 
 Address 11 St Clair Ave West
 City Toronto, ON M4V 1K6
 Phone 416-922-3737
 Website  www.scallywags.net 
 Distance  4.46 miles (approx.) [map] 
 
 
 Bar/Venue  Duke of Gloucester 
 Address 649 Yonge Street
 City Toronto, ON M4Y 1Z9
 Phone 416-961-9704
 Distance  4.6 miles (approx.) [map] 
 
 
 Bar/Venue  Abbey Road Pub, The 
 Address Unit 9-3200 Erin Mills Parkway
 City Mississauga, ON L5L 1W8
 Phone 905-608-9603
 Distance  22.28 miles (approx.) [map] 
 
 
 Bar/Venue  Crown & Firkin 
 Address 112A Colborne Street East
 City Whitby, ON L1N 4K1
 Phone 905-666-9916
 Distance  22.48 miles (approx.) [map] 
 
 
 Bar/Venue  Aout & About 
 Address 21 Augusta Street
 City Hamilton, ON L8N 1P6
 Phone 905-525-7164
 Distance  43.04 miles (approx.) [map] 
 
 
 Bar/Venue  Shakespeare Arms 
 Address 35 Harvard Road
 City Guelph, ON N1G 3A2
 Phone 519-767-6003
 Distance  46.7 miles (approx.) [map] 

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Football / Re: T&T vs ENG Game on TV in NY?

« on: May 30, 2008, 01:01:07 PM »

Its coming across on Setanta Premium

Here is a list of bars that have Setanta Premium


Bar/Venue  Red Lion (Manhattan) 
 Address 151 Bleecker Street
 City Manhattan, NY 10012
 Phone 212-260-9797
 Website  www.redlionnyc.com 
 Distance  1.48 miles (approx.) [map] 
 
 
 Bar/Venue  Nevada Smiths 
 Address 74 - 3rd Avenue (Cross 11/12th St)
 City Manhattan, NY 10003
 Phone 212-982-2591 ex 11
 Website  www.nevadasmiths.net 
 Distance  2.14 miles (approx.) [map] 
 
 
 Bar/Venue  Mulligan's (Hoboken) 
 Address 159 - 1st Street
 City Hoboken, NJ 07030
 Phone 201-876-4101
 Website  www.mulligansonfirst.com 
 Distance  3.18 miles (approx.) [map] 
 
 
 Bar/Venue  McCormack's 
 Address 365 3rd Avenue
 City Manhattan, NY 10016
 Phone 212-683-0911
 Website  www.mccormacks.net 
 Distance  3.18 miles (approx.) [map] 
 
 
 Bar/Venue  Clancys (Manhattan) 
 Address 978 2nd Ave (& 52 St.)
 City Manhattan, NY 10022
 Phone 212-755-8383
 Website  www.clancysnyc.com 
 Distance  4.04 miles (approx.) [map] 
 
 
 

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Football / Re: D Touches England Training Observation

« on: May 30, 2008, 11:49:00 AM »

Hi marcus- He is Damian after the saint who ministered to Lepers.
 Not Damien- The Evil one.

yehes yu r korect et iz Damian

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Football / Re: D Touches England Training Observation

« on: May 30, 2008, 11:12:00 AM »

thanks damien, enjoy the game sunday

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Football / Re: View of the Hasley Crawford Stadium Grounds - Thursday 29th 2008

« on: May 30, 2008, 10:02:32 AM »

lovely, just lovely.... thanks for the pics

back in the late 90s, that field was ah real thief head doh.... look sweet and smooth, buh not so much when yuh take the field.

have not stepped on it since, anyone hear know if it still so, or has work been done on it?

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Football / Re: Ten Cate sacked as Chelsea coach

« on: May 29, 2008, 03:42:07 PM »

hmmm... chelsea fans who allyuh want? What kinda of Manager? What kinda of football all yuh want to see next year? Scolari / Mancini? I won't mind seeing a more free flowing attack minded football from the Blues.

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Football / Re: United issue Final Warning to Madrid

« on: May 28, 2008, 12:19:24 PM »

my boy i sorry eh, but yuh talk a whole lot of lala here..

There is a major difference btw PSG and Real Madrid, not realizing this shows a lack of understanding in how smaller market clubs aim to make money through exisiting and developing talent.  And yes PSG can be considered a smaller market club compared to ManU and Real Madrid. The big $$ clubs in France are Lyon and Marseille. A club like PSG wants their players to be wanted, to be in demand, and if they say anything that refutes this only means that they are trying to drive the value of the player higher. You think Watford was angry when Ashley Young left for Villa? Those guys probably had a freaking party.

Football is a business at the end of the day, and the aim of each club is to turn a profit.. However, I dont see where you find the authority to make a sweeping assessment basicallly labelling every 'smaller market club' as mere feeder clubs for the big $$ clubs. Contrary to your belief, many clubs actually do want to hold on to their best players. Its just that in football, as in life, everything has a price and when a player wants to go then its best to get the best possible deal.

This might come as a surprise to you but small clubs are in it to win something too. Lynn Oslo in Norway did not want to lose Obi Mikel but he wanted to go. Atletico Madrid did not want to lose Fernando Torres but they had Aguero and Forlan in the ranks so it tilted the cost/benefit ratio in their favor. Watford didnt want to lose Ashley Young but he wanted to go!! Do you honestly think the 9 million pounds they got for young equates to the 20 million in revenue and untold of commerical benefits lost for getting relegated from the premier league?  You really think those guys were having a party?

A very good example is AJAX, successful club, great history, respectable financials but look at what they did in the subsequent period following European success... One by one players were sold, although some left on the Bosman ruling. Edwin van der Sar, Michael Reiziger, Frank de Boer, Ronald de Boer, Edgar Davids, Clarence Seedorf, Patrick Kluivert, Marc Overmars, Jari Litmanen, Nwankwo Kanu, Finidi George and Winston Bogarde all gone in 2/3yrs. AJAX only regret was not being able to sell the players that left on the Bosman ruling! Funny thing doh, come to think of it, I remember back then too it had plenty fellas who was AJAX fans, where are they now? I was a ManU fan back then and I still am, and will be 20yrs from now no matter what level of football they playing.

Hooray for you. You picked the best team and ran with it. I guess you're a Chicago Bulls and Roger Federer fan too right? I actually respect a man who likes Ajax in front of the more luminous football names, much like I respect a long standing Chelsea fan. A man who, unlike you who woke up one morning and decided you'd pick the team at the top of the table, actually invest some time to look at a team and find qualities he can find resonance with.. and then build the loyalty from there.

Ajax cannot be used as a barometer for the operations of every club. All those players you called there left for very different reasons. Some like De Boer, Davids, Seedorf and Kluivert left to test themselves at a higher level and match their ambitions (a very similar reason to why Ronaldo is considering Real Madrid). Others like Bogarde left for money.  The Dutch and French players are simply too good to stay in their own leagues forever but that doesn't mean that their clubs don't want to keep them and are just mercenaries trying to pawn for a profit. Huntelaar has been in Ajax for a while hasn't he?

In a nutshell PSG were happy to sell Ronaldinho, the only reason they would be unhappy is if they did not get enough compensation, they will never come out and say that we were happy to see the player go and to see the money coming in the door, because their fans may not see it from a business point of view, and to think differently shows severe naivety.

more again, and I dont know if you figure using bold makes your point any more palatabe.. PSG wanted to keep Ronaldinho but he was still something of an inconsistent commodity in that team. One day very good, and one day not so good but possessing undisputed potential. Even when he went to Barcelona, the general consensus was that Beckham (Laporta's election promise) would have been a better option.  From that sense, and for the amount of money that was being offered, the deal made business sense to PSG. A simple concept at the end of the day.

Its not always the case though. You would note that despite the hefty millions being offered, Sevilla (the small fish) refused to sell Danny Alves to Chelsea simply because of his importance to the team. The same applied for Essien and its why it took a ridiculous amount of money to prise him from Lyon. Aulas still didnt seem to overjoyed to sell him as you suggest all clubs do, despite 28m pounds added to the coffers.

Joe Public, if they have a great player, in the making of a young Latapy/Yorke... you think they go steups at a foreign offer.... they want that, it is vital for success and financial viability going forward.

Ronaldo to Real can't be compared. Both are big market clubs. The Biggest! And financial success is more heavily geared toward their branding rather than developing and selling players! TV rights, advertising, merchandising play a major role, and to come after Ronaldo is to take bread off our table, to have a slice of that pie you gonna have to pay. Pay not only for the player but for the residual income he generates.

However, football clubs cut and trade players at a moments notice all the time, so i dont blame ronaldo for exploring options, its his life and his talent. I am not against Real wanting Ronaldo and coming after him, but I am against the way that they are doing it. Contact ManU, dont try to unsettle the player and plant seeds of doubt in his mind. Contact the club, everyone has a price, its if the suitor's are willing to pay it! Ronaldo is for sale!!! but he ain't cheap.

time to crack open that piggy bank Real, there is no other player in the world like Ronaldo, if you want him, its going to have to be historic type of dollars!

who vex vex, and who think different open the other eye

But if Ronaldo is at the so-called 'best club in the world' already, then how can he be unsettled by Real Madrid's approaches? how can they plant seeds of doubt?

Why don't you stop for a moment and realize that maybe, just maybe, Real Madrid is a move Ronaldo is pining over.

Reading too much English press leads you to believe that there is Manchester United and nothing after, but guess what.. Real Madrid is the biggest team in world football. I think it is Zidane who said, "When Real come calling for you, you don't think about it, you just ask when they want you.

It is the highest level bar none. It is why Luis Figo would do the unthinkable and leave Barcelona to go there. It is why Zidane left Juventus to go and why Ronaldo would leave Inter Milan. All these clubs are just as big, if not bigger than Manchester United in the footballing world despite what the british propaganda will have you believe.

Also, don't be mistaken..  EVERYONE HAS A PRICE... ME... YOU... AND RONALDO TOO.

At the end of the day, if Ronaldo wants to go, he will go and Manchester Utd will be paid handsomely for it.  And life will go on.

Deal with it.

I read over your entire response, I was writing from an un-biased point of view although being a ManU fan, I believe I tried to imply that at the very end... where i said:

"However, football clubs cut and trade players at a moments notice all the time, so i dont blame ronaldo for exploring options, its his life and his talent. I am not against Real wanting Ronaldo and coming after him, but I am against the way that they are doing it. Contact ManU, dont try to unsettle the player and plant seeds of doubt in his mind. Contact the club, everyone has a price, its if the suitor's are willing to pay it! Ronaldo is for sale!!! but he ain't cheap"

Smaller market clubs sole purpose of existence is not to be feeder clubs to bigger $$ money clubs, I dont know why you inferred that to be my point, your bias approach to what I wrote obscured the point that I was trying to make. And that point is that smaller market clubs rely more so on developing and selling talent, than teams like Madrid and ManU. And hence you can't compare Real's pursuit of Ronaldo to PSG situation. Bigger market clubs finance their operations in many ways, and one of them being the securitization of future cash flows from TV, Merchandising, gate receipts etc and leveraging against those assets. Do even know the extent to which ManU is diversified? Do you even realize that they have a financing arm that offers retail products: loans, mortages, credit cards etc., do you know what kind of risk management that entails, or do you just always talk off the top of your head? A drop in the consistency and a failure to realise these cash flows will devalue the secured assets, this will hinder their credit rating and raise their financing cost. Financing cost is the major issue here, a couple basis points could cost the club so much $ it will dwarf a players contract.

Ronaldo is a big part of their brand, and his talent insures them consistency in performance and this must be taken into account... thats what I was trying to say from an unbiased perspective. I did not spell out this point before because I thought it was fairly obvious that ManU's fan base and distributuion networks is alot of larger than a club like PSG, so the impact of a player like Ronaldo leaving reduces a much larger marginal asset for ManU than PSG lost when Ronaldinho left. I do this for a living bro, across asset classes, you got to look objectively and always think about the $.  And you at least got one thing right this is a business.

Side note
Watford was more than likely facing relgation when they sold Ashley right? Also the fact that you took what I said about Watford having a party in a literal sense, shows that you did not read objectively, and your arguement was left wanting... If I was a Real fan, I would have stated my entire case the exact same way.

The rest of your comments were noted but unwaranted a response

Also you may want to take a read of
Financing Sport by Dennis Howard

Its a base level book to get you started, Its pretty straight forward, but doesn't have cuts out, pop ups or color pictures like the books you probably normally read. Taking a piss, so don't get all personal.

Omarldinho, você tem alguma raiz de carioca? Você vive em Nova York que vejo, portanto você pode ter de fato experiência em finanças. Então, por que não fazem você utilizar, desculpa o meu quebrado protuguese.

Agurdação da sua resposta.

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Football / Re: United issue Final Warning to Madrid

« on: May 28, 2008, 08:25:23 AM »

Dis is de first time ah saw ah big time Manager/Coach, dat crying like ah facking baby tuh keep ah player on he team.  When Dinho was ripping it up in France, he boss wasn't behaving like a big girl when teams were rushing him. Maradona was better and bigger dan all ah dem, and ah didn't read about dat kind ah behavior either. Zidane was ah massive player, when RM was on him like white on rice, so dat dey cud get him tuh leave Italy, his bosses over there wasn't acting like big girls either.

Fergie yuh is ah boss manager, but u and de rest of your staff acting like some real macomeh men. Ah sick ah dem fuh real, every day dey facking crying fuh Ronaldo. Yuh had ah good season,go on enjoy yuh vacation wid yuh family nah man, and just let things flow. If yuh is really ah boss, yuh will have a plan B, and stop sucking Ronaldo norths, so dat he will stay at Man U  . HIGHLY BLESSED.

There is a major difference btw PSG and Real Madrid, not realizing this shows a lack of understanding in how smaller market clubs aim to make money through exisiting and developing talent.  And yes PSG can be considered a smaller market club compared to ManU and Real Madrid. The big $$ clubs in France are Lyon and Marseille. A club like PSG wants their players to be wanted, to be in demand, and if they say anything that refutes this only means that they are trying to drive the value of the player higher. You think Watford was angry when Ashley Young left for Villa? Those guys probably had a freaking party.

A very good example is AJAX, successful club, great history, respectable financials but look at what they did in the subsequent period following European success... One by one players were sold, although some left on the Bosman ruling. Edwin van der Sar, Michael Reiziger, Frank de Boer, Ronald de Boer, Edgar Davids, Clarence Seedorf, Patrick Kluivert, Marc Overmars, Jari Litmanen, Nwankwo Kanu, Finidi George and Winston Bogarde all gone in 2/3yrs. AJAX only regret was not being able to sell the players that left on the Bosman ruling! Funny thing doh, come to think of it, I remember back then too it had plenty fellas who was AJAX fans, where are they now? I was a ManU fan back then and I still am, and will be 20yrs from now no matter what level of football they playing.

In a nutshell PSG were happy to sell Ronaldinho, the only reason they would be unhappy is if they did not get enough compensation, they will never come out and say that we were happy to see the player go and to see the money coming in the door, because their fans may not see it from a business point of view, and to think differently shows severe naivety.

Joe Public, if they have a great player, in the making of a young Latapy/Yorke... you think they go steups at a foreign offer.... they want that, it is vital for success and financial viability going forward.

Ronaldo to Real can't be compared. Both are big market clubs. The Biggest! And financial success is more heavily geared toward their branding rather than developing and selling players! TV rights, advertising, merchandising play a major role, and to come after Ronaldo is to take bread off our table, to have a slice of that pie you gonna have to pay. Pay not only for the player but for the residual income he generates.

However, football clubs cut and trade players at a moments notice all the time, so i dont blame ronaldo for exploring options, its his life and his talent. I am not against Real wanting Ronaldo and coming after him, but I am against the way that they are doing it. Contact ManU, dont try to unsettle the player and plant seeds of doubt in his mind. Contact the club, everyone has a price, its if the suitor's are willing to pay it! Ronaldo is for sale!!! but he ain't cheap.

time to crack open that piggy bank Real, there is no other player in the world like Ronaldo, if you want him, its going to have to be historic type of dollars!

who vex vex, and who think different open the other eye
 

Yuh know what, it late in de morning, ah start tuh really feel sleepy, but due to my personality ah  still try and read yuh post cuz ah didn't want yuh tuh fell ah responded tuh SM post and but ah ignored your post. However, keep one thing in yuh mind, your post is our opinion, so Supa doh have tuh open no other eye. You cud say what yuh want, when Dinho fit and playing like de world know he cud play, Ronaldo will have tuh chill. Ronaldo is ah general, but not next tuh Dinho. Right now he is de best thing in de world, cuz Dinho is injured and for his personal reasons, presently he is not motivated at all. All yuh doh even waste all yuh time tuh type nothing, cuz all yuh cah convince meh at all, where dat is concern. Well yuh was going good, wid yuh lil opinion and thing, but yuh started tuh loose it ah bit wid de line yuh have dey wid de naivety in it. Any way, it 2 late tuh even bother wid dat right now, so  .

I come off strong buh is all ah cool scene, I like to hear others opinion against my owns. But I like to see some logic behind it as well, an opinion with out logic behind it is a day dream.

I never understand why men hate Fergie doh, he gave Yorke his chance and Yorke acheived success that he would not have been able to acheive else where at the time. Fergie did let him go, but Yorke also wasn't exactly a model citizen, and his subsequent form, showed the fergie was right to let him go. Its a business and Yorke understood that, his feeling may have been hurt but he got over it.

I dont know what other European managers have done for football in Trinidad, I doubt Jose and Wenger can find Trinidad on a map, yet still Fergie feels our collectrive wrath. After all, Fergie welcomed Yorke back to ManU pre World Cup and allowed him to train with the first team, so that Yorke could regain fitness and form, that too shows character. Its shows Fergie isn't bad minded towards Yorke, and it was a business decision. And a right one! Till this day Beckham says his favorite place was at ManU and he will forever cherish those days, and thay Fergie was the best he has been under.

If I can recall correctly, I believe Roy Keane also consulted Fergie and their talent staff, before bringing in Carlos Edwards to the squad. I remember reading this somewhere can't remember.

my opinion

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Football / Re: Which ONE player would you buy for your favorite club this off-season?

« on: May 27, 2008, 05:20:51 PM »

Essien, Essien, Essien

but you always want what you cant have!

We done have Cristiano, that would have been first choice.

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Football / Re: United issue Final Warning to Madrid

« on: May 27, 2008, 05:05:09 PM »

Dis is de first time ah saw ah big time Manager/Coach, dat crying like ah facking baby tuh keep ah player on he team.  When Dinho was ripping it up in France, he boss wasn't behaving like a big girl when teams were rushing him. Maradona was better and bigger dan all ah dem, and ah didn't read about dat kind ah behavior either. Zidane was ah massive player, when RM was on him like white on rice, so dat dey cud get him tuh leave Italy, his bosses over there wasn't acting like big girls either.

Fergie yuh is ah boss manager, but u and de rest of your staff acting like some real macomeh men. Ah sick ah dem fuh real, every day dey facking crying fuh Ronaldo. Yuh had ah good season,go on enjoy yuh vacation wid yuh family nah man, and just let things flow. If yuh is really ah boss, yuh will have a plan B, and stop sucking Ronaldo norths, so dat he will stay at Man U  . HIGHLY BLESSED.

There is a major difference btw PSG and Real Madrid, not realizing this shows a lack of understanding in how smaller market clubs aim to make money through exisiting and developing talent.  And yes PSG can be considered a smaller market club compared to ManU and Real Madrid. The big $$ clubs in France are Lyon and Marseille. A club like PSG wants their players to be wanted, to be in demand, and if they say anything that refutes this only means that they are trying to drive the value of the player higher. You think Watford was angry when Ashley Young left for Villa? Those guys probably had a freaking party.

A very good example is AJAX, successful club, great history, respectable financials but look at what they did in the subsequent period following European success... One by one players were sold, although some left on the Bosman ruling. Edwin van der Sar, Michael Reiziger, Frank de Boer, Ronald de Boer, Edgar Davids, Clarence Seedorf, Patrick Kluivert, Marc Overmars, Jari Litmanen, Nwankwo Kanu, Finidi George and Winston Bogarde all gone in 2/3yrs. AJAX only regret was not being able to sell the players that left on the Bosman ruling! Funny thing doh, come to think of it, I remember back then too it had plenty fellas who was AJAX fans, where are they now? I was a ManU fan back then and I still am, and will be 20yrs from now no matter what level of football they playing.

In a nutshell PSG were happy to sell Ronaldinho, the only reason they would be unhappy is if they did not get enough compensation, they will never come out and say that we were happy to see the player go and to see the money coming in the door, because their fans may not see it from a business point of view, and to think differently shows severe naivety.

Joe Public, if they have a great player, in the making of a young Latapy/Yorke... you think they go steups at a foreign offer.... they want that, it is vital for success and financial viability going forward.

Ronaldo to Real can't be compared. Both are big market clubs. The Biggest! And financial success is more heavily geared toward their branding rather than developing and selling players! TV rights, advertising, merchandising play a major role, and to come after Ronaldo is to take bread off our table, to have a slice of that pie you gonna have to pay. Pay not only for the player but for the residual income he generates.

However, football clubs cut and trade players at a moments notice all the time, so i dont blame ronaldo for exploring options, its his life and his talent. I am not against Real wanting Ronaldo and coming after him, but I am against the way that they are doing it. Contact ManU, dont try to unsettle the player and plant seeds of doubt in his mind. Contact the club, everyone has a price, its if the suitor's are willing to pay it! Ronaldo is for sale!!! but he ain't cheap.

time to crack open that piggy bank Real, there is no other player in the world like Ronaldo, if you want him, its going to have to be historic type of dollars!

who vex vex, and who think different open the other eye