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Football / Re: FPATT slam T&TFF.

« on: March 26, 2008, 06:45:11 PM »

Shaka and Jack have a personal beef that they are carrying on through FPATT vs TTFF

Bakes doh forget we are continually reminded that FPATT have nothing to do with the WC $ issue.

FPATT success will depend on how much it does for local players because that is what they are there for as far as how the unions in FIFPro are set up.  The players not based in T&T are covered by the unions in the respective countries.  But when you have most of the leadership not even in T&T they seem to be more dealing with issues that affect the foreign players even if they affect the local players by association.

They announced they were going to be putting together work shops and all that good stuff for the local players and I think that is where they can be most useful.  The local players can't afford to take the combative position FPATT is taking either...that is more in line with what the foreign based players can afford to do...hence the local players skeptical about joining an organization that supposedly created for them but taking a hardline stance seemingly at every chance they can get.

It also have the question of legitimacy in terms of who they really represent...do they really have the backing of the local players to negotiate on their behalf. Right now to TTFF it might seem as though they mainly have the 16 WC players, Liburd as defacto Press Officer and then a big question mark as to who else other than people who hate TTFF whether they do good or bad intentionally or unintentionally.

What I don't understand is why the local guys are so resentful of FPATT. The overseas players have benefitted by being in unions. They got screwed out of world cup money so they're going to arbitration. They never needed to form FPATT to help themselves. But they did it so the locals and the future internationals won't get screwed again. I don't see any of them sitting in fancy offices in Trinidad or taking salaries. Shaka has a job and the others are playing abroad.

My question is....Why the hell are they bothering? All they get is resentment from the locals, suspision from  many supporters and reprisals from TTFF. They have cut them selves of from any future with the current administration in a coaching or management role.

And I don't see any pro FPATT press articles from anyone except Lasana, so it looks like all the other papers are afraid to go up against TTFF.

I honestly think if I was one of the FPATT members, I would just earn my English pounds and just come back to Trinidad for holidays and international call ups. I know you'll tell me if I am wrong, but isn't this what Yorke and Latapy have done? I don't know if they're members, but they never risked their careers to help the local boys did they? (I've only been on this site for 9 months and I don't remember seeing anything about these two supporting FPATT-but I may be wrong.) 

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Football / Re: TTFF, Sunderland reach agreement over Jones, Edwards

« on: March 25, 2008, 08:24:26 PM »

Hopefully Keane learn how to pick up a phone next time.

I think Keane made a mistake by not sending Carlos to Birmingham. However, I can see his side of the story. Carlos would have just returned from Birmingham to Sunderland after the Villa match. Thats around 200 miles. Hes declared unfit for Jamaica match as they want to get him 100% for West Ham game. They do not feel that 2  x 15 hour  journeys in 5 days will help. After further medical tests on monday, they see that the injury is not as bad as feared and will not show up on an MRI scan. So whats the point of sending him on a 400 mile round trip to Birmingham for a scan which will not show evidence of the injury?

You all know that Keane wouldn't pull Carlos off the pitch if he was OK.

This is all down to the lack of professional respect between Keane and TTFF. I'm sure if TTFF had made more effort, this would not have happened. Some people say that Keane doesn't respect T&T. I don't agree. Yorkie is a key man in the dressing room, and Keane respects him. Dwight would not allow Keane to disrespect his homeland.
However, you can bet your last dollar that Keane has asked Yorke about Warner and TTFF.
Keanes homeland, Eire (Ireland) is very similar in football stature to T&T, and also relies on a few overseas stars to bolster the (globally) unknown local boys. Keane knows how important it is to have your big players representing. He probably has more affinity with T&T than Maturana. But he also knows that the pride he got when he pulled on his green jersey came not just from the badge, but from his federation. They worked closely with Man Utd to ensure things were done properly and they had a good working relationship. So how does Keane view TTFF? A bunch of amateurs throwing their FIFA weight around. The man even paid to upgrade KJ to get him home in good shape.

All I'm saying is that unlike Warner, Camps and Maturana, Keane played for one of the biggest clubs in the world and one of the smallest nations. He knows how easy it is to work together. I'm sure his contempt is not for the players or people of T&T but for the amateurs in charge. As he would describe them, "The prawn sandwich brigade" 

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Football / Re: Sunderland sanctioned.

« on: March 25, 2008, 12:19:42 PM »

This situation has become very interesting,i'm going to support the TTFF on this issue because clubs have been taking advantage of them over the years and denying us of our players when ever we need them,the TTFF is within their rights to have the players just like clubs have their rights to not release them outside of the international window,if we ask RK to release them outside of that international window he would act the same way,it's time the TTFF have some balls,weather players fit,not fit,club paying salary,club fighting relegation,what ever the situation if TTFF say they want them we want them let them go.

I can't understand some people,one minute Sunderland is their employers,we does employ them too,they just got a big check and give it to charity,everybody feel they can do TTFF what they want and when they stand up they wrong,i'm supporting this on a matter of principle,it didn't have to reach to this is time people respect us.

The players who got a cheque for charity were all blacklisted, and maybe some still are. The cheque was money from FIFA that they earned by qualifying for WC2006. So theres nothing to thank TTFF for there. In fact, you just provided reasons why the players shouldn't give a toss for TTFF.
If I was KJ or Carlos, I would do anything to play for T&T, but I damn well wouldn't give a sh*t about playing for TTFF.
Like anybody, you go to work to get paid, but if you have a bad employer you only do what you need to do to get by. You don't give any more effort than that. If you have a good boss you maybe stay behind to finish a job or take a few extra hours, not for the money, but because you want to help your employer.

Without a doubt, KJ and Carlos are not 100%. Why should they make an extra effort when TTFF don't? A 15 hour return journey to sit on the bench and be forced to sign a dodgy contract? I wouldn't make the effort. However, if Roy Keane asked me to, I would.

I think Keane made a mistake by not sending Carlos to Birmingham. However, I can see his side of the story. Carlos would have just returned from Birmingham to Sunderland after the Villa match. Thats around 200 miles. Hes declared unfit for Jamaica match as they want to get him 100% for West Ham game. They do not feel that 2  x 15 hour  journeys in 5 days will help. After further medical tests on monday, they see that the injury is not as bad as feared and will not show up on an MRI scan. So whats the point of sending him on a 400 mile round trip to Birmingham for a scan which will not show evidence of the injury?

You all know that Keane wouldn't pull Carlos off the pitch if he was OK.

This is all down to the lack of professional respect between Keane and TTFF. I'm sure if TTFF had made more effort, this would not have happened. Some people say that Keane doesn't respect T&T. I don't agree. Yorkie is a key man in the dressing room, and Keane respects him. Dwight would not allow Keane to disrespect his homeland.
However, you can bet your last dollar that Keane has asked Yorke about Warner and TTFF.
Keanes homeland, Eire (Ireland) is very similar in football stature to T&T, and also relies on a few overseas stars to bolster the (globally) unknown local boys. Keane knows how important it is to have your big players representing. He probably has more affinity with T&T than Maturana. But he also knows that the pride he got when he pulled on his green jersey came not just from the badge, but from his federation. They worked closely with Man Utd to ensure things were done properly and they had a good working relationship. So how does Keane view TTFF? A bunch of amateurs throwing their FIFA weight around. The man even paid to upgrade KJ to get him home in good shape.

All I'm saying is that unlike Warner, Camps and Maturana, Keane played for one of the biggest clubs in the world and one of the smallest nations. He knows how easy it is to work together. I'm sure his contempt is not for the players or people of T&T but for the amateurs in charge. As he would describe them, "The prawn sandwich brigade"  

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Football / Re: Statement from the TTFF.

« on: March 19, 2008, 04:11:54 AM »

I would like to know know why we are not hearing from FPATT on this,people just speculating as to what's going on,Jack quiet everybody and is in total control of Football,TTFF money in his own despite what anyone thinks,he built that enterprise,don't matter how the TTFF explain what or how they did their business people on here just can't accept anything.

I always said our players are putting themselves on a collision course with the TTFF,since we have big players with big contracts getting big money they all want to tell the TTFF how they should do business,when they should or should not play,making all kinds of unrealistic demands,our players association in the TTFF mind was only formed for one reason,they could never work together because one is making demands on the player's behalf and the other insisting that they have to play by their rules.

I still can't get over why everything is Jack,player eh get selected,release from club,Coach fired,money missing,money collected,stadium clean/dirty,grounds in poor condition,fees too high for games,times when games are played the list can go on and on and on,now we talking about one man,i wonder if he have a life.

What's wrong with that statement ?

Coops, I can't quite make out if you're saying you are against FPATT or for them? It does look like they are on a collision course, but I can only see that as TTFFs fault. In any workplace where employees are continuously mistreated, eventually thev worm will turn. In other workplaces you have the option of quitting and working somewhere else. T&T footballers can't do this. In all of the biggest footballing countries (I think its about 40) there are players unions. The players get decent treatment and can concentrate on their football.
I thought the World Cup was the reason why FPATT was formed, but I am continually shocked when I read here that this has been going on SINCE BEFORE KENWYNE WAS BORN!! I find that this is incredible. For many posters here, that means that Jack Warner and Mr Camps have been mistreating players and upporters for a whole lifetime!!

How can that be?

It seems to me that nobody has ever organised themselves to stand up to this mistreatment for 30 years. It is unfair to criticise FPATT for having the balls to do it now. In England, the players that formed the PFA in 1907 eventually were "locked out" because they joined the trade union movement, but the FA eventually recognised them.
100 years later and T&T players are blacklisted for fighting for their rights.

I just don't understand why Mr Camps and Mr Warner are still in power. Why doesn't the government intercede? FIFA may frown upon governments getting involved, but I keep seeing stuff here about money going missing, secret companies, undemocratic practices like Mr Camps owning TTFF etc. These things are not about football, they are about upholding the law of the land. There should be suspensions while public enquiries are carried out.

I mean no disrespect to the people of T&T, but in England Trinidad & Tobago is known for two things - great holidays and football. I'm sure if people were messing with your tourist industry the government would get involved.

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Football / Re: Stern John and Jason Scotland got drop

« on: March 17, 2008, 07:56:46 PM »

Fellas I  didn’t  like to start rumors but I believe Stern John  and Jason Scotland got drop from the team because they where the two players that didn’t take the money from last game remember TTFF never said who the players was if this is true we have long battle for world cup qualifiers.   

I have been told that ALL of the players in the squad at the last game took their money. However, it seems some refused to sign the TTFF contract. But I don't think Scotland was one of those that refused. I was also told that at least one player that refused has been called up.

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Football / Re: Difference between a Striker and a Forward?

« on: March 17, 2008, 07:52:04 PM »

In soccer you are either a GK, a defender, a midfielder or a forward. Some ppl just developed terminology to make positions sound more technical and/or clinical. It's still a forward. As a forward you may play in advance of the forward natural line or withdrawn, central or wide, running onto the ball or holding it up. It matters not what role you take up you are still a forward, place there in an effort to score goals. Light blue, dark blue, sea blue, sky blue---------they are all blue.

I think the termanology has changed because more ex players are commenting on TV. Previously, coaches would tell a midfielder to play defensive or attacking, a right back to get down the wing, (hence wing back) a defender to "sweep up"  behind the back four, (sweeper) and a forward to "strike" behind the opponents defence.

Ex pros have gradually made these into common terms.

So, to answer the question, a forward may be the guy that heads the ball on to the striker, or as was mentioned earlier, holds the ball up until he can feed the striker.

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Football / Re: CONCACAF cheque controversy

« on: March 17, 2008, 12:16:14 PM »

That CONCACAF may be the company that was involved in the 2001 stadia projects as consultants. Another one of JW's creations

  Tell me more!

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Football / Re: CONCACAF cheque controversy

« on: March 17, 2008, 10:20:56 AM »

Much ado about nothing.

They can donate their money anywhere they want but FPATT count as a charity...thought it was more a union?  Ah kinda more thinking along the lines of registered as non-profit and have charitable status.  Den again officially in T&T  FPATT = Family Planning Association of T&T  lol

TTFF gets money from CONCACAF every year....they basically counting it against future payments.  I pretty sure some of the other cash strapped CONCACAF nations have done the same in the past considering is JW wit his "flexible" arrangements. 
Only thing would make this a worthwhile story is if the other CONCACAF nations have an issue with it or if it is not something other CONCACAF nations have requested and received (feel like i type this before).

I don't agree. Its one thing concacaf giving an advance to TTFF and quite another having concacaf paying players direct. Its not good  business, and makes accounting a nightmare. Anyway, this money was trusted to TTFF. It was never their money, so how come they haven't got it now?

I would be interested to see the official approval for the transfer of concacaf funds, and I feel that they should be made to produce it.

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Football / Re: CONCACAF cheque controversy

« on: March 17, 2008, 09:44:16 AM »

Surely you jest!!!!

His post is dripping with sarcasm...as I read it.


At any rate, I think folks are making an entirely bigger deal out of this than it actually is.  Additionally...it's $10,000 TT, not US.

Yes, my apologies, sarcasm once was described as a low form of humour, but high form of intelligence!

However, I think this is a MASSIVE story. True, the players agreed to donate this money before the World Cup, but its the method of payment that is shocking. It looks like TTFF have witheld this money for nearly 2 years and it has disapeared and re emerged in a concacaf account.
Surely people in the USA, Mexico, Canada and every other Concacaf country have a right to know what the hell is going on. If this happened in UEFA, people would be suspended pending investigations.
This could be the beginning of the end for Mr Warner, but nobody here seems concerned.
Hence the sarcasm!

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Football / Re: CONCACAF cheque controversy

« on: March 17, 2008, 06:23:48 AM »

Well, I think its unfair of this journalist to expect Mr Warner to know anything about payments made by concacaf to T&T footballers, or Mr Camps to know why his players are not getting their money from TTFF.

You have to remember that these people get paid big salaries to run these organisations. You can't expect them to know every tiny detail. After all, this is only money. They must have much more important things to worry about, such as what to have for lunch, or which tie to wear tomorrow. Paying money out of completely the wrong  account belonging to an unconnected organisation happens all the time in business.

Come on guys, how many times do you hear that a KFC employee got paid by Pizza Hut by mistake. Happens all the time, right?

Obviously some young trainee at TTFF was asked to pay the players and he mistakenly picked up the details of the concacaf account that were lying around the TTFF office and told the bank to pay the money from that account. The bank teller forgot to check that this guy had the authority to make concacaf payments. Easy mistakes to make.

The only thing that puzzles me is why concacaf have a Trinidad bank account? Surely it should be in New York-isn't that where their head office is?

But there must be a good reason for all of this, otherwise Mr Camps and Mr Warner would be concerned.

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Football / Re: We footballers get dey money?

« on: March 13, 2008, 08:58:14 PM »

I guess I must be a little weird, because I see in my newspaper that Jack Warner has paid players with concacaf money. I can't wait to get onto this site and see the shitstorm this story has created.

And all I see is a page full of people cussin each other?

Is this Jack trying to take you all off topic?

I can see that this story is completely accurate, but it quotes Warners friens as confirming he used concacaf money and will put it back later.

I don't know if the laws in Trini are the same, but this is illegal in the UK. You can't just borrow money from one organisation to pay employees of another unless you have some kind of committee or board agreement.

And why can't TTFF pay the money? I thought they had $170 million TT??

It seems unlikely this is money awarded from the arbitration hearing as there would have been a big announcement about the players winning. Also, I think, arbitrations are a public hearing and most of the outcome would b available to everyone.

I reckon this is money paid to the players as match fees for one of the recent matches. 

Even so, its a bit dodgy making allegations without proof. Also, no other UK paper is carrying the story.

However, I'm more interested in what you all think if Warner did use Concacaf funds. Its got to be suspect, and on the same day he's in charge of the FIFA financial committee.

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Football / Re: Rule - modify, change, amend or add to the game what will it be?

« on: March 13, 2008, 08:35:52 AM »

Well, yeah, theres always that approach! We'll have to have a sin bin longer than the dugouts!

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Football / Re: President Warner to Chair FIFA Finance Committee Meeting

« on: March 13, 2008, 08:34:14 AM »

And the next news from FIFA will be the appointment of Gary Glitter as the girls under 12 coach and the successful bid by the Ku Klux Klan to oversee the "Lets kick racism out of football" campaign.

You couldn't make it up! Especially after this business about Jack using concacaf funds to pay players!

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Football / Re: Rule - modify, change, amend or add to the game what will it be?

« on: March 13, 2008, 08:27:22 AM »

Problem is, under your rule, every time Jamaica kicks lumps out of Kenwyne, he's off the pitch for 5 mins and the team committing the foul has an advantage!

The rule I don't like is when a keeper fouls a striker (not necessarily intentionally) when he has a goal scoring oppertunity and is sent off as well as conceding a penalty. The attacking team get a penalty and a one man advantage. I think the referee should decide a) was it a penalty and then b) was it an intentional foul worthy of a red card.
Yes, I know there will be mistakes, but a keeper has to go for a one on one and if the striker is too quick, the keeper is penalised twice. A defender can foul in the penalty area and not be sent off.   

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Football / Re: Keane set for Edwards battle with T&T.

« on: March 11, 2008, 06:27:24 AM »

What amazes me is some people still calling these games "just friendlies"...Games that are preparation for World Cup qualifiers are not just friendlies...one person say Carlos should just join the team when World Cup qualification begins (hmmm makes me wonder  ) ...someone please explain me , If the man is currently fit enough to play for Sunderland then how he is not currently fit enough to play for his country?...so people should stop using that "he just come off injury" line as an excuse for us to have one of our quality players back in he mix to help form a winning chemistry within the team b4 its too late...and March 26th is an International sanction FIFA date so Keane should respect that!

With respect, Sando, its not like you or me being injured and then turning out for a sweat. Carlos 's recuperation is carefully planned by expert physios. Even Keane will let them decide if he is fit enough to play. When he plays his reserve match he will be studied and afterwards he will be placed on machines to test his systems recovery, his heart rate and even things like electrolyte balances. This will not happen in T&T. Throwing him into a different climate and expecing him to train in a different way, reletively unsupervised will be unattractive to the club AND CARLOS. Also, he will them be placed in a full contact international derby on an unknown playing surface in a high temperature.

Noboby can tell me this is good treatment for a player coming off a long injury. Keane may wish to have Carlos on he bench vs West Ham, and may introduce him, but this will only be done if he is ready. Keane won't risk a below par player. Maturana will, because thats what Jack wants.

I read an interview with  player who moved from a small English League 1 club to Nottingham Forest. He got injured and said he was amazed how long Forest waited before declaring him fit. He said if he had been at his previous club, he would have played 2 weeks earlier because they would play him when he was 75% fit, while Forest insisted he reached 100% fitness.

This is the same issue.

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Football / Re: TTFF: No backing down.

« on: March 10, 2008, 03:58:26 PM »

Doesn't make sense why they make a big issue over Carlos, who probably won't be match fit, yet fail to call Scottie and Stern as well as Birchal, Sancho, Avery John.
Maybe Maturana will love these guys.
I cannot see a logical reason why he doesn't call them instead of local boys who are not in full training? This is the time to call them when you have guys at home who are not match fit.

You can only assume that the blacklist is still partially in place.  I mean none of us have seen Sancho play recently. So, is he fit? I'm damn sure Maturana doesn't know. However, he should make an effort to find out. I heard Sancho is training in Scotland, so hes probably fitter than the locals. I'm damn sure Birchall is still match fit.

Maybe Maturana needs to see a few more poor performances before he grows balls and asks to see these other players.

Fella, I respect some of the things yuh say.  Say of the other stuff downright doh make no sense.  Sancho and Avery John.  They man playing at all?  You serious?  Because ah man training with some team in Scotland doesn't make him fit to play in an international.  Just ask David Beckham.  Ah mean we is a small island and everything but let's not get carried away. 

Avery John too old to play in the next WC so why call him back?

I'm not saying that Sancho is in peak condition. However, I'm damn sure that practice mathes and training with a Scottish Professional team will keep you in better shape than spending a couple of months at home chilling with your friends. The local boys have been enjoying their well deserved break. One week in training camp won't shake out their cobwebs.

As for Avery and the other 30+ players, I think you need them in the squad to settle the youngsters down. Thats why Leo had Shaka and Latapy on the bench. No rookie keeper could have walked off the bench with two minutes notice to start a world cup game, as Shaka did. And Latapy was there to come into a game, stroke the ball around and be a symbol of stability. The youngsters can learn a lot from being around these guys.

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Football / Blatter in public slanging match with FIFPro

« on: March 10, 2008, 04:26:31 AM »

Blatter and Taylor in slanging match over plans to scrap transfers

Sean Ingle
Friday October 27, 2000

guardian.co.uk

Football's response to the European Commission's plan to abolish transfer fees lies in tatters this evening after Fifa president Sepp Blatter and PFA chief executive Gordon Taylor were involved in an extraordinary public slanging match at a Fifa press conference.
Taylor, who is chairman of the European player's union Fifpro, accused Blatter of having a "hidden agenda" and refusing to listen to the concerns of the players. Blatter retorted with angry shouts that Taylor was refusing to answer his questions.

The spat began when Taylor boycotted a morning meeting of the joint Fifa-Uefa Task Force to discuss the EC's proposal, because he felt the concerns of his members were not being addressed. Instead he sent alternative proposals to the meeting, only for them to be completely ignored.

When Taylor found out about this snub, he immediately left his Zurich hotel for Fifa headquarters. As he arrived Blatter was telling a packed press conference of his "disappointment" at FifPro's action and condemning the Englishman for going back on an agreement to attend the meeting.

On seeing Taylor, Blatter angrily demanded to know why he hadn't turn up.

Taylor responded by claiming that the Task Force was merely trying to tinker with the present transfer system rather than attempt to find a plausible alternative. Disliking what he was hearing, Blatter interrupted, shouting for Taylor to "answer the question."

"We have attended at least a dozen meetings, all of which have ignored the main problem," an angry Taylor replied. "The proposals the Task Force is putting forward are ambiguous and look as though they have been drafted with the hidden agenda of maintaining the status quo."

Taylor added that FifPro will present alternative proposals to the EC next week, possibly on the same day Fifa hand over their documents which will be drafted on Monday afternoon.

Later, Blatter sounded more conciliatory, conceding that Fifa's attempts to address the problems within the current system will not meet with EC approval without the backing of the players.

"I would urge them to talk to us," he pleaded. "To meet without them is like having your body decapitated. We know that we cannot have any new regulations adopted without the backing of the players."

The argument between Fifa and Fifpro centres on what should be done about the movement of players over the age of 23 while they are still under contract.

The Fifa Task Force believes that a biannual transfer window should be set up, with each player limited to just one move a season, signing contracts which in an ideal world would tie them in for a minimum of three years.

However, FifPro are at odds with the whole scheme. Taylor believes players should only be forced to sign one or two-year contracts, with compensation being determined by the length still remaining on the deal and the outstanding salary.

But with European Competitions Commissioner Mario Monti appearing to back down from his threat to end the transfer system altogether, the whole situation has become a confusing shambles.

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Football / Re: TTFF: No backing down.

« on: March 10, 2008, 04:13:59 AM »

Doesn't make sense why they make a big issue over Carlos, who probably won't be match fit, yet fail to call Scottie and Stern as well as Birchal, Sancho, Avery John.
Maybe Maturana will love these guys.
I cannot see a logical reason why he doesn't call them instead of local boys who are not in full training? This is the time to call them when you have guys at home who are not match fit.

You can only assume that the blacklist is still partially in place.  I mean none of us have seen Sancho play recently. So, is he fit? I'm damn sure Maturana doesn't know. However, he should make an effort to find out. I heard Sancho is training in Scotland, so hes probably fitter than the locals. I'm damn sure Birchall is still match fit.

Maybe Maturana needs to see a few more poor performances before he grows balls and asks to see these other players.

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Football / Re: No backing down.

« on: March 10, 2008, 04:08:42 AM »

I think we should give Carlos Edwards a break unitl he's fully fit, but the TTFF dam right, we need to shut up Roy Keane, who de hell he think he is. Why didn't he just call the TTFF first and have a talk with them instead of running up his mouth in the press. We need to gain some dam respect from these foreign clubs, we are playing games during the FIFA calender just to accomidate these clubs and still they ringing.

Sancho and Avery may not be match fit, however we should not forget about them. Birchall too....

Ah glad Lawrence was called back, once he get better he will come in handy.

So I guess Stern and Scotland drop for the 2 games.

This argument may continue, but the outcome will be the same....if TTFF call Carlos and Kenwyne, they have to go. When Walsall refused to release Clayton Ince a couple of years ago, FIFA banned him from his next league match. That won't help Keane.

Those posters who seen embittered because English managers don't respect T&T should turn their anger onto TTFF. From this side of the pond TTFF look completely amateur and show no respect for their players.

Its like offering the car that you maintain and polish every week to a joyrider. You have no idea in what condition it will come back in, or even if you will have to go collect it yourself!

Until TTFF can show that they are  more professional, this attitude will remain.

It would have been easy for Maturana to get on the phone to Keane (or Maturanas translator) and talk to the man. He could have ascertained Carlos's fitness and maybe promise not to play him, but just get him back into the squad on light training. He could have asked about any special training programmes to put him on, and promised first class return flights.

Instead, we have Warner demanding and threatening. This may get you a short term result, but it definately doesn't buy you any favours.

Carlos and Kenwynes value owes a lot to their World Cup appearances, nd Sunderland are reaping the benefits of that, so they have to accept the inconvenience of international call ups. But, likewise, TTFF must recognise the development and improvements of the players come from an excellent training and dietry regime at their club.

When you see the TTFF refusing to recognise a players union, poor match fees, economy flights and lack of respect for the players clubs, would you entrust a valuable assett to them?

I wouldn't put it past Warner to insist that Carlos plays at least 20 mins, just to prove a point. This is incredibly shortsighted, as its more important to have Carlos fit, and wiilling to play, in the qualifiers.

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Football / Re: Keane set for Edwards battle with T&T.

« on: March 10, 2008, 04:02:47 AM »

This argument may continue, but the outcome will be the same....if TTFF call Carlos and Kenwyne, they have to go. When Walsall refused to release Clayton Ince a couple of years ago, FIFA banned him from his next league match. That won't help Keane.

Those posters who seen embittered because English managers don't respect T&T should turn their anger onto TTFF. From this side of the pond TTFF look completely amateur and show no respect for their players.

Its like offering the car that you maintain and polish every week to a joyrider. You have no idea in what condition it will come back in, or even if you will have to go collect it yourself!

Until TTFF can show that they are  more professional, this attitude will remain.

It would have been easy for Maturana to get on the phone to Keane (or Maturanas translator) and talk to the man. He could have ascertained Carlos's fitness and maybe promise not to play him, but just get him back into the squad on light training. He could have asked about any special training programmes to put him on, and promised first class return flights.

Instead, we have Warner demanding and threatening. This may get you a short term result, but it definately doesn't buy you any favours.

Carlos and Kenwynes value owes a lot to their World Cup appearances, nd Sunderland are reaping the benefits of that, so they have to accept the inconvenience of international call ups. But, likewise, TTFF must recognise the development and improvements of the players come from an excellent training and dietry regime at their club.

When you see the TTFF refusing to recognise a players union, poor match fees, economy flights and lack of respect for the players clubs, would you entrust a valuable assett to them?

I wouldn't put it past Warner to insist that Carlos plays at least 20 mins, just to prove a point. This is incredibly shortsighted, as its more important to have Carlos fit, and wiilling to play, in the qualifiers.

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Football / Re: TTFF, Camps one-man company

« on: March 02, 2008, 06:05:16 PM »

I just found this from the Los Angeles Times Nov 18, 1989:

"That would be a staggering accomplishment considering that the TTFA almost ceased to exist earlier this decade. Between 1983 and '86, a rival group, the T&T Football Federation, attempted a hostile takeover of soccer on the islands. It had the support of the ruling party, the People's National Movement, but it was not sanctioned by the International Federation of Association Football (FIFA).

who were those individuals and where are they(rival group) today?

Isn't that fairly obvious? The rival group must have been Warner, Camps etc. Be interesting to know when TTFF took over and was Warner involved in FIFA then? That way, he would have quashed any intervention by FIFA.

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Football / Re: TTFF, Camps one-man company

« on: March 02, 2008, 04:28:17 PM »

kent,
You had alluded to the difference between the TTFA and the TTFF in this thread:

TTFA or TTFF. Which is legally the administration?

and I've read a few other little blurbs about the demise of the TTFA but it was hard to get the full story. This is the first time I've heard it was a sole proprietorship.

This is what I mean. Its one thing having a body licenced by TTFA with some kind of accountability, but a sole proprietor is the same as a dictatorship. No one to answer to.

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Football / Re: TTFF, Camps one-man company

« on: March 02, 2008, 03:02:19 PM »

People, you're gonna need to help me here.....

If what I read here is true, T&T football is governed and run by one man??? That can't be right.

OK, I knew Warner was actually running things behind his puppet administration, but how the hell can the T&T govt, FIFA, CONCACAF, FPATT and FIFPro allow this to happen??

Football is supposed to be run by the people, for the people. In other words, it has to be democratic.

What I don't undertand is how they had elections when its a private company. And what did Camps do with the $173 million? If its his company, then its his money.

In most countries in the world, this news old lead to immediate suspension of TTFF pending an enquiry. The govt have to give a mandate to someone to act as representatives of football in there nation. Surely they didn't give it to Mr Camps to act alone without any recourse?   

The most outrageus thing is that Warner bounces around the world telling people how they should run football and trying to suspend national federations, and yet he must have known about this.

This cannot be allowed to continue. Players should refuse to play, ProLeague should demand clarification, FIFA should suspend Warner and the Govt should launch an inquiry including freezing of assets and a full audit.

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Football / Re: Warner now backs England's World Cup Bid?

« on: February 18, 2008, 02:57:07 AM »

Danger in taking Sepp Blatter lineMartin Samuel
OK, so he called one right. It had to happen sooner or later. Speak out on as many issues as Sepp Blatter, the Fifa president, and you are going to come up trumps eventually. Summer football in Europe, wider goals, games split into four quarters, quotas of foreign players, artificial pitches at a World Cup tournament, a competition hosted by two countries that hate each other or an ethics committee that believes Jack Warner has no case to answer - Blatter has had a misguided crack at them all. Now, on the subject of the Premier League’s international round, he has finally tapped one into an empty net. Good for him. The question that remains unanswered is: what if he had backed it?

For, in all the excitement of the coup de grâce being administered to this bogus scheme, what is clear is that whichever way Blatter had jumped, the pursuit of a home World Cup in 2018 means the FA would have followed. “I am determined that our international and domestic relations must be sustained at the highest level,” Lord Triesman, the FA’s independent chairman, said on Friday. In other words: whatever you say, Sepp. For the next four years until the decision is made, it would seem. The wording of the FA statement issued in response to Blatter’s condemnation of the Premier League proposal suggests that it, too, got its judgment right: but for the wrong reasons.

Cravenly seeking the approval of an administrator as opportunistic as Blatter is a dangerous game. We have already had a glimpse of the problem in the FA’s shameless courting of Warner, the Fifa vice-president and special adviser to the football federation of Trinidad & Tobago. Warner’s dealings over matters relating to the 2006 World Cup are at best dubious, at worst odious, and if it really cares about the way fans are treated, the FA should go nowhere near a friendly match in the Caribbean in June while this man is the power broker. Instead, it has accepted Warner’s invitation to play a fixture celebrating a century of football on the islands, in return for Warner’s endorsement of its World Cup bid, which he has now given, performing a 180-degree turn on his previous stance.
Some may regard this merely as realpolitik and argue it is necessary if this country is to land the 2018 prize. Yet what if Blatter had found the 39th game a splendid idea? What if he had embraced it with as much thought as he put into his suggestion that the European leagues should play from February to November (meaning La Liga matches away to Seville or Real Betis could take place in 126-degree heat, the temperature recorded on the streets of Seville in August 2003)? Would the FA have then been prepared to abandon the flawless principle of the symmetrical league that has stood since 1888, for the possible net gain of one hosted tournament?

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Football / Re: My conversation with the Stadium Manager of the HCS...

« on: February 15, 2008, 04:44:22 PM »

FIFA have approved an artificial surface called football turf. I think it was used in the U19 world cup. Its been studied and measured and tested and is very, very close to natural turf.

It ain't cheap, but it requires very little maintenence and lasts for years.

You can then host any events without damage. In fact, it will make money as it can be used day after day.

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Football / Re: Friendly w/ England in the works afterall?

« on: February 13, 2008, 04:28:20 AM »

I think this would be the first ever English full international in the Caribbean.  I don't think they've played one in Africa either.

They played South Africa in Durban on May 22, 2003, and Tunisia in Tunis on June 2, 1990.

Yes, I forgot about S.Africa! Not sure about Tunisia, but I guess I didn't think of Tunisia as Africa per se!

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Football / Re: FPATT president Hislop shocked by Warner comments.

« on: February 12, 2008, 05:12:43 PM »

THIS IS A SHOUT TO EVERY PLAYER REPRESENTING TRINIDAD AND TOBAGO!

STOP PLAYING FOR THESE ASSHOLE TTFF MEMBERS AND SHOW SOME BALLS!

IF THEY WON'T SHOW RESPECT FOR YOUR FELLOW PLAYERS AND BROTHERS, DO NOT REPRSENT THEM!

IT IS TIME TO SHOW THAT YOU ARE MEN AND WON'T BE TREATED LIKE SHIT ANYMORE!

DON'T ALLOW SHAKA AND THE REST TO STAND ALONE, IT IS TIME TO SHOW SOME BALLS, AND STOP KISSING JACKS ASS!

I think for hte sake of our footballing future, and at a risk of missing SA2010, we really need everyone to take a stance right now.
every footballer from the youhts right on up, need to stand in solidarity together, bring everyting to a halt and force Jack hand.

         Breds doing that will not affect Jack,when he brought Football to a halt after the WC everybody was bawling now you want the players to halt the game,Jack will always have his way because we have no balls,everybody on here calling for the foreign players to be on the team,the thing is if they have to play on this team they have to play under Jack rules,i like Shaka a lot he has the experience to handle any situation where Football is concerned but he is too much of a diplomat(nice guy),Jack going to take advantage of PFATT which he is doing,when he talks he talks with lawyers behind him,T&T Football will never be the same unless that impase with the players is sorted out(players not happy),if PFATT did not sue TTFF then is it the players?i still can't get an answer to this qeuetion.     

Its all out there on the forum, COOPs.  The 16 players who took legal action were then blacklisted. Most of them had already decided to form FPATT so it wouldnt happen again. Although they may be the same people, FPATT as an organisation didnt bring the case.

Also, I don't believe Warner has taken any legal advice. What he said is clearly not correct. Clubs in Europe do not negotiate International players contracts. They negotiated compensation for themselves while players are on national duty. If what Jack said was true, then he should provide the contracts that TTFF agreed with Sunderland, Southampton, Swansea, Walsall, Wrexham etc. And I'm damned sure Roy Keane didn't agree with TTFF that Kenwyne could be sent home on stand by economy 3 days before a Premiership match!

Imagine Chelsea hving to negotiate with a dozen seperate countries. Bloody ridiculous.

I guess, as an Englishman, I cannot believe that someone in Warners position can spout lies and bullshit and still be in a job. Forget Trinidad, forget England, why the hell does the rest of FIFA allow this man to make them look like fools?

FIFA have accepted FIFPro recognised players associations and are positively encouraging Dispute Resoloution Chambers containing 50% players representatives. As FIFA VP, Warner should be sacked for misconduct.

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Football / Re: Friendly w/ England in the works afterall?

« on: February 12, 2008, 04:53:05 PM »

I think this would be the first ever English full international in the Caribbean.  I don't think they've played one in Africa either.

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Football / Re: Dominica FA files ethics complaint against Warner

« on: February 10, 2008, 12:19:47 PM »

Mr Valcke was the guy who was the FIFA scapegoat for his involvement in the Mastercard court case. It was Valcke who took all the blame and resigned.

After the court case, FIFA got rid of a senior guy who was causing a few problems. Remarkably, Valcke was offered a new job at FIFA.

Now, I don't know about you guys, but to be found responsible for costing FIFA $100 million isn't usually the best way of securing one of the top jobs in World football.......unless you have one or two tales to tell.

I am surprised this didn't go Jacks way, but I wouldn't put too much hope in Valcke doing the right thing.

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Football / Re: Dominica FA files ethics complaint against Warner

« on: February 10, 2008, 10:29:48 AM »

How the hell can the following 2 paragraphs make any sense?

But John really made the world take notice when, in 1981, he conspired with Ku Klux Klan (KKK) leaders Don Black and Wolfgang Droege to overthrow the Dominican government in an invasion called "Operation Red Dog".

The KKK had promised to restore power to John in exchange for the right to set up several lucrative businesses, including casinos and brothels, on the island. However, Black, Droege and seven other men were arrested in New Orleans with an array of weapons and a white Nazi flag as they were about to rendezvous with John and his own makeshift army.

John was jailed for 12 years, although PM Charles, who served Dominica for 14 years, pardoned and released the would-be insurrectionist in 1990.



But Francis suspected something was amiss when, in 2007, Warner's CONCACAF inducted John into CONCACAF's Hall of Fame for his "profound impact" on the game in his island.

Well done Mr Francis. I do not know the situation there, but clearly Francis has to better and less corrupt than John?