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HARRISON: F00CK !!!!!!!!!!!!!


HARRISON: It wasn't me boss


HARRISON: Meh ass on fire

LOL. Good likeness!

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Sadly, as my comments have been misquoted and taken out of context, I have been advised by lawyers not to comment. Instead, I will await the truth to be published. Sadly, it does appear that the concept of innocent until proved guilty does not apply!

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leaked documentation "SHOWED"...  in other words you saw the document, so liburd tell de truth, what you see?? us$40,000.  or us$39,000.    because wired868.com misleading and the real name is
preloaded&wired868.com

For "leaked" read stolen. The document did not show the amount, the date or any signature and had the wrong bank name. Go figure.  But it was US$40,000. Sancho transferred US$39,000 pending details of the charges. Because the transaction had to be declared, he had to transfer US$40,000 less any charges otherwise it could be suggested that he gave financial assistance to the club.

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I think everybody "jumped the gun",why didn't Rowley wait just a bit,before trying to make political gain.I think he(Rowley)would have looked so much better,had he quashed all accusations,and say to everybody,lets wait and see or wait for an explation from Sancho.
I looked at the headline,and thought that there must have been an explanation,nobody could be that stupid,and boldface to do shit like that.I always say to my friends,"Trinis are the most intelligent and sophisticated people in the Caribbean",having seen some of our political rantings,I could be wrong.

What shocked me about Rowley (and Lasana) is that they keep harping on about overseas accounts. Clearly neither understand a wire instruction (in which case, they should have researched it first!). The funds are routed (in this case) by CONCACAF from their bank through the international clearing house, or the Beneficiary  (Wells Fargo) and on to the ultimate beneficiary (Sancho's First Citizens account)

Everybody getting excited about Pennsylvania etc, but I see this all the time. TTFA get paid the same way.

How can a prospective Prime Minister not be aware (or bother to research) a wire instruction before he makes himself look a fool?

Of course, in hindsight, we should have just let Central FC take the fine, but at the time it was just a paperwork exercise to placate CONCACAF until Central obtained their own bank details.

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Football / Re: 2015/16 T&T Pro League Fixtures Thread.
« on: August 28, 2015, 07:17:30 AM »
The league should start next week or the week after and no fixtures yet?

Who are the teams competing this year?

And they want more supporters to come to games.

 ;)



Fixtures were released to clubs in early July. They were not released publicly because there are still applications from teams to join still pending. Also, there was consideration that Mahaica Oval and Irwin Park may be used if they were completed on time, which is now the case.

 

Thanx FS, but isn't the league 2 weeks away from kick-off?



The Charity Shield was carded for this Sunday! But that has been postponed.

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No matter what the explanation is......this doesn't look good.

This could all well be above board and nothing technically wrong was done

Central get US$ from CONCACAF

They playing a tournament in the US which means they have US expenses

If they cash the US$ cheque in T&T, they would have to convert that $ at the buy rate which is lower than the sell rate


THIS IS SCOTIABANK US$ FOREIGN EXCHANGE RATE

So Central go to Scotia and want to convert their US$40K cheque at the buy rate and get TT$247,508

Now they have to turn around and convert that TT$247508 into US$ at 6.3733 which is US$38,235.21

So they lose a cool US$1800 just in conversion.  This doesn't take into account the transaction fees banks charge (remember...banks are among de biggest teef it have).  So Central could lose US$2K just in bank and foreign exchange charges.

Their expenses are in US$

So it make sense to deposit the US$ cheque in a US$ account.  And maybe they weren't able to open a US$ account  in a timely manner.  So they use the US$ account of someone close to the club.

This is all understandable.


EXCEPT


The "someone" is the Minister of Sport.  It doh look good to have the $$ deposited into his PERSONAL account even if the intention is honorable.

This is the "Optics" of the thing.  And what happens to the interest that accrues as a result of the deposit?  It might be very small.....but again it could raise questions.

When one hold these kinds of positions, there are many benefits AND pitfalls that come along with it.  Even if it's for trying to do "the right thing"

Yuh need to be more aware.



Actually, you are very astute. Sadly, this is my error. It really is a non story. CONCACAF clamoring for forms to be completed by certain deadlines. The account details were sent quite a while before any payment was received, by which time I had hoped that Central would have opened their own US$ account.

First thing Sancho knew was that Central told him the funds were in his account, despite Central having sent their correct details on 28th July.

 On 6th August, Central realised that the funds were sent in error by CONCACAF and resent bank details to CONCACAF.

That's it. A simple error by CONCACAF sending funds to the first account details they received instead of the new account. Also, this delay in receiving funds did not interfere in any way with Central F.C.'s preparation.

I'm certainly shocked by the errors in the story. The US$ account referred to is a Scotiabank Trinidad account!

Also, I stated that we had to apply early for CFU, in December actually, when Sancho was still at Central, and those bank details were sent along with various application and registration forms and that could be why they made the error.

I also note that there were no comments from Central F.C. or CONCACAF.

So CFU give Central US$38,235.21 to cover all travel expenses for the duration of the tournament?



CONCACAF give US$40,000 for each away game. You get to keep the takings from home matches less 5% to CONCACAF plus some expenses such as officials accommodation.

I spoke to CONCACAF a while ago and suggested that they revise this situation. It would be easier and fairer if CONCACAF simply pay the travel costs directly and award a lower sum for accommodation. Central FC had the longest journey (in distance) this year. Its not right that they receive the same as a club travelling from (say) El Salvador to Panama, which should be much cheaper.

NB: LA Galaxy are spending US$250,000 to charter a plane to carry them to Trinidad!!

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Football / Re: The David Nakhid Thread
« on: August 28, 2015, 06:37:02 AM »
David is sounding very statesman-like in his delivery and content. No histrionics, just plain good sense.

He feels he will achieve the required 5 nominations. There are rumours that he may get the backing of Blatters supporters. That, plus the Caribbean, Middle East and the anti Platini cabal in UEFA could make it an interesting election.

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Football / Re: 2015/16 T&T Pro League Fixtures Thread.
« on: August 28, 2015, 06:33:32 AM »
The league should start next week or the week after and no fixtures yet?

Who are the teams competing this year?

And they want more supporters to come to games.

 ;)



Fixtures were released to clubs in early July. They were not released publicly because there are still applications from teams to join still pending. Also, there was consideration that Mahaica Oval and Irwin Park may be used if they were completed on time, which is now the case.

 

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Football / Re: 2016 CFU U-17 Women World Cup Thread.
« on: August 28, 2015, 06:30:42 AM »
What I don't understand is that this competition is under the CFU remit. They should have provided insurance against situations like this - especially in the Caribbean at this time of year.
There is no way that the girls should have been forced out.
In fact, I find that the hotel acted very uncharitably. This is an emergency situation. Even the local Minister of Sport or Govt could have resolved this matter. They are the hosts after all.
I know damn well that Sancho would not have let a group of teenage girls from another country get evicted from a hotel in T&T in these circumstances.

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Football / Re: 2015/16 Concacaf Champions League Thread.
« on: August 27, 2015, 10:05:11 PM »
Maybe they just run out of gas and, as you say, fresh legs could look good. I'm pleased young Dillon got on the pitch.
I hope we can get 4 or 5,000 to the home game. I think we have a good chance of stealing a win.

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Football / Re: 2015/16 Concacaf Champions League Thread.
« on: August 27, 2015, 09:47:14 PM »
That was a great tackle!!  WTF? Red card?  :frustrated:

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Football / Re: 2015/16 Concacaf Champions League Thread.
« on: August 27, 2015, 09:39:43 PM »
This gives you some stats from the game. Central made more correct passes with greater accuracy.  a good sign for the home game?

http://www.concacaf.com/category/champions-league/game-detail/2377937

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Brent the timing of ah leaked document could have you bent out of shape, liburd access to leaked documentation could prove political, you are guilty as charged, but will there be any jail time??not in ah $million year$...

What possible crime has been committed by Sancho?

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Football / Re: The David Nakhid Thread
« on: August 27, 2015, 01:36:10 PM »
I will be standing in for the regular presenter on Heritage 101.7fm from 4pm to 6pm today.
I have invited David Nakhid as my guest, so tune in and hear what he has to say about his bid to become FIFA President.

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Football / Re: The Sharks: Central FC Thread
« on: August 27, 2015, 11:56:49 AM »
I believe tonights game will be shown on Fox Soccer 2 at 10pm T&T time.

Of course, I want The Sharks to win. But I am concerned that the conditions may make the job harder.
When T&T beat Guatemala, they had 7 Comunicaciones players on the field. If we can settle, then I think we have a good chance....providing we can overcome the plastic pitch and the cool climate.

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Football / Re: Good football books to read
« on: August 27, 2015, 11:30:43 AM »
Where is Roy of the friggin Rovers? If allyuh don't read the annual Roy of the Rovers, allyuh real "illiterate". ;D :devil:

 :rotfl: I used to love Melchester Rovers kits!!

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Football / Re: The Sharks: Central FC Thread
« on: August 26, 2015, 07:36:24 PM »
hey FS. why didn't you guys snatch up kerron "ball pest" cummings for the CCL? he would have made a wonderful addition to your squad, and an immanent goal threat.

does he even have a club?

He played with Central in their first season. He was one of the players who Graham Rix got so frustrated with. Ricco couldn't understand why Ballpest continued to play minor league football, which he was eventually fired for. He did let it be known that he wanted to return to Central this season, but they didn't move quick enough.

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No matter what the explanation is......this doesn't look good.

This could all well be above board and nothing technically wrong was done

Central get US$ from CONCACAF

They playing a tournament in the US which means they have US expenses

If they cash the US$ cheque in T&T, they would have to convert that $ at the buy rate which is lower than the sell rate


THIS IS SCOTIABANK US$ FOREIGN EXCHANGE RATE

So Central go to Scotia and want to convert their US$40K cheque at the buy rate and get TT$247,508

Now they have to turn around and convert that TT$247508 into US$ at 6.3733 which is US$38,235.21

So they lose a cool US$1800 just in conversion.  This doesn't take into account the transaction fees banks charge (remember...banks are among de biggest teef it have).  So Central could lose US$2K just in bank and foreign exchange charges.

Their expenses are in US$

So it make sense to deposit the US$ cheque in a US$ account.  And maybe they weren't able to open a US$ account  in a timely manner.  So they use the US$ account of someone close to the club.

This is all understandable.


EXCEPT


The "someone" is the Minister of Sport.  It doh look good to have the $$ deposited into his PERSONAL account even if the intention is honorable.

This is the "Optics" of the thing.  And what happens to the interest that accrues as a result of the deposit?  It might be very small.....but again it could raise questions.

When one hold these kinds of positions, there are many benefits AND pitfalls that come along with it.  Even if it's for trying to do "the right thing"

Yuh need to be more aware.



Actually, you are very astute. Sadly, this is my error. It really is a non story. CONCACAF clamoring for forms to be completed by certain deadlines. The account details were sent quite a while before any payment was received, by which time I had hoped that Central would have opened their own US$ account.

First thing Sancho knew was that Central told him the funds were in his account, despite Central having sent their correct details on 28th July.

 On 6th August, Central realised that the funds were sent in error by CONCACAF and resent bank details to CONCACAF.

That's it. A simple error by CONCACAF sending funds to the first account details they received instead of the new account. Also, this delay in receiving funds did not interfere in any way with Central F.C.'s preparation.

I'm certainly shocked by the errors in the story. The US$ account referred to is a Scotiabank Trinidad account!

Also, I stated that we had to apply early for CFU, in December actually, when Sancho was still at Central, and those bank details were sent along with various application and registration forms and that could be why they made the error.

I also note that there were no comments from Central F.C. or CONCACAF.

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What kinda fool prefers to play no international ball when given the chance?
He gonna regret that later in life.

Could be for a number of reasons - maybe it disrupts his family life, maybe the long flights leave him out of fitness and unable to do his job effectively, maybe he doesn't like people at teh FA or doesn't trust him to pay him. Personally share the same opinion as you, but I know there are good reasons when players decide not to.

I put it down to receiving poor advice.

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Football / Re: 2015/16 National Super League Thread
« on: August 25, 2015, 07:04:40 AM »
Anybody following this TTFA run league. I really asking the homies. The super league appears to be more community based league. They play a true home and away schedule. So all the people who are longing for community teams, why are they not supporting these teams? I also want to clarify something here with Club Sando. Are they a Moruga based team playing in San Fernando? I am assuming that the pro team will be playing in Skinner Park, while the super league team play in Moruga? Anyone ? Flex, Tallman?

They do seem to attract nice local crowds when they play on community crowds. Point Fortin was a good example, but also Guaya, Real Maracas and the Tobago clubs get nice crowds. But I think the games are free, so it may change if there is a charge.

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A none graduate is now a minister.

2 more weeks of this.

And his sidekick Harrison, who couldn't hold down a job in England will have to look for work soon.

Wonder if he can spell the word transparency.

Surprise to see Stern John got bought. That academy sancho helping you with won your vote.

I can spell transparency. Sadly you can't even spell "non" as in non-graduate!

Actually old son, Sancho has an Associate degree in English and a B.Sc in Psychology .

Thankfully, I already have work so win or lose I'll survive.

But here's the thing, while Jack has his millions, guess what I can do? I can travel anywhere in the world that I like. Jack is even frightened to fly to Tobago. So who's the real joker?
FS didn't know you were an englishman mate, howdee. BTW in england we use the word "NON" before a word for instance "nonentity" or "nontraditional" which becomes one word, but when you separate the words like JH did (none graduate) then it's quite common and accepted grammar in the americas. i went to high/secondary school both in trinidad and england and we pronounce schedule with an sh, while in america they pronounce it with an "sch" like school.

i guess what i am trying to say in terms of grammar i am afraid that no one is wrong in this equation, neither you nor jack horner.

Trust me, Horner is always wrong and always will be!! I'm pretty sure there is no such phrase as none graduate , so I'm cool with non-graduate, which does exist!

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Football / Re: 2015/16 Barclays Premier League Thread
« on: August 24, 2015, 03:49:14 PM »

David Silva's touches during Manchester City's 3-0 defeat of defending champs, Chelsea, on match day 2.

I wish we could record the same movement for Pro League players. It would be a fantastic coaching tool. You'd be amazed how players think they played compared to how they actually played!

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A none graduate is now a minister.

2 more weeks of this.

And his sidekick Harrison, who couldn't hold down a job in England will have to look for work soon.

Wonder if he can spell the word transparency.

Surprise to see Stern John got bought. That academy sancho helping you with won your vote.

I can spell transparency. Sadly you can't even spell "non" as in non-graduate!

Actually old son, Sancho has an Associate degree in English and a B.Sc in Psychology .

Thankfully, I already have work so win or lose I'll survive.

But here's the thing, while Jack has his millions, guess what I can do? I can travel anywhere in the world that I like. Jack is even frightened to fly to Tobago. So who's the real joker?

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Football / Re: Ahkeela Mollon Thread
« on: August 23, 2015, 07:48:37 PM »
I see 30+ in that photo, and it may not be a complete representation of all in attendance. Powerful stuff.  :beermug:

Ahkeela is very inspirational as a coach. I believe that when she coached the Central U17s she was the first female coach in the Pro League.

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Football / Re: 2015/16 Concacaf Champions League Thread.
« on: August 21, 2015, 06:02:37 PM »
Me? That is very far from my area of expertise. You would know a million times better and should execute as such, but blaming the fans is definitely not one of them. Starting with the obvious lack of relationship between teams and community though, I see premier league players reading to kids, lil free school visits, lil coachin tips here and there, and we know they don't really need to strengthen their community ties. How much more work can the pro league do? 1000 times this effort? long term community investment (not short sighted money hustle) ...then again I hear central has been trying in this regard, but the whole league have to have this as a standard.  I sure other posters have better ideas...I've seen them post ideas on this forum.

But I don't know! That's the problem. For 5 years I've tried all kinds of programmes and while they get media coverage, they still don't bring the fans.

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Football / Re: 2015/16 Concacaf Champions League Thread.
« on: August 21, 2015, 05:31:08 PM »


I've been to many countries to observe football. And the one underlying constant is that no matter how crap the football is, football fans get off their asses and go to matches.

Yes, we know the stadiums are hard to get to (like nobody has any friends to car share with)
Yes, we know that the clubs have poor links to the community (like Barcelona and Man Utd link with thousands of Trinis)
Yes, we know the standard of football could be much better (like kick and run school football still attracts more supporters)
Yes, we know there are no rising stars in the Pro League (like the Intercol heroes retire from football at 18)


Nobody asked Govt to give anything. I was asking YOU, Kounty, and all local football fans. Why don't you leave your negativity at home and get behind a team? You never know, you might enjoy it. (And I'm not talking about attending the occasional game just to compare with Real Madrid, I'm talking really get behind your team.) Why not give it a try for a season?

As for Ocro, if people keep comparing it to caviar, yuh right, stop selling it. Then there'll be no ocro for the national team. 
No right thinking Orco vendor would consider either of your options: stop selling, or sitting down and sulking and blaming the public. How to get people to buy your product is YOUR problem. we constantly hearing about players defying their contract and playing for sunday league in carenage. I know the vibes better in eddie hart league where people more attached to the teams. All the things in blue is just an unscientific guess as to why (or maybe what people say is the reason) people not turning out...but is it a business y'all runnin? I dunno, I think if people wasn't buying Walmart stuff they WILL find out why and fix it.

So whats your solution?

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Football / Re: 2015/16 Concacaf Champions League Thread.
« on: August 21, 2015, 12:03:38 PM »


The Barca result was just to recognise that all teams suffer bad losses. Difference being that we all know that Pro League clubs are punching way above their weight, while Bilbao hadn't won squat for 30 years yet still thrashed Barca.

We all agree that top Pro League clubs are probably equivalent to, say, English League 1 or 2. So imagine if Walsall (currently 3rd in League One) played LA Galaxy or Saprissa. Tell me honestly that even they would be happy to concede no more than three goals. Make no mistake, some of these clubs in the Champions League could survive in the English Premier League, La Liga or Serie A.

Pro League have tried many initiatives. If you have any realistic workable suggestions, I'm sure they would try those too. But it takes two hands to clap. You ask what do the clubs do for fans. Well they invest a large amount of time and effort (and money) in trying to create a decent football team. Then develop players for the national teams. They provide live football of a decent quality at a stupidly low admission price. They also hold coaching schools and run 3 youth teams. That's what they do.
All they ask in return is for a fragment of the hundreds of thousands of football fans in T&T come out to a game and spend their $30 (US$5) on watching two games featuring current and future national team players.

Even so called non footballing countries get better crowds.

But what the arse is this? So if I open a stand in the market sellin ocro and nobody buyin my ocro, is the people fault for not buyin my ocro?
lemme bite my tongue yes. Anybody from pro league ever take a trip to costa rica and get a tour of what they doing that working (making their top teams able to put an easy 4 on we best team)? They population maybe 2 1/2 times ours. Per capita GDP nearly half ours. Seems like the league running on several small and medium size stadia (maybe school and community ground size?)...Gov't fault for not giving 'football' enough money to buy better players? (save that excuse when u not in gov't). 'Fans' not coming out to support 'decent' product? steups.

I've been to many countries to observe football. And the one underlying constant is that no matter how crap the football is, football fans get off their asses and go to matches.

Yes, we know the stadiums are hard to get to (like nobody has any friends to car share with)
Yes, we know that the clubs have poor links to the community (like Barcelona and Man Utd link with thousands of Trinis)
Yes, we know the standard of football could be much better (like kick and run school football still attracts more supporters)
Yes, we know there are no rising stars in the Pro League (like the Intercol heroes retire from football at 18)

Nobody asked Govt to give anything. I was asking YOU, Kounty, and all local football fans. Why don't you leave your negativity at home and get behind a team? You never know, you might enjoy it. (And I'm not talking about attending the occasional game just to compare with Real Madrid, I'm talking really get behind your team.) Why not give it a try for a season?

As for Ocro, if people keep comparing it to caviar, yuh right, stop selling it. Then there'll be no ocro for the national team. 

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Football / Re: 2015/16 Concacaf Champions League Thread.
« on: August 21, 2015, 10:34:49 AM »
Highlights? What highlights? This was more like target practice for Saprissa. Easy 3 points. Santos and Saprissa look forward to seeing another weakling from the pre leaague next year. Central target you are up next.

But I thought wconnection's head coach was one of the best in the pre league and Jomal Williams was an up and coming talent. What ever happened to the young Woo Ling? What's his address in pergatory? All of these young, talented players with enourmous potential just falling by the way side hopelessly languishing in a hopeless football league calling itself a pro league.
There isn't a huge continental divide here between truth and reality. Truthfully, the reality is that football in Trinidad and Tobago is like a "cheap suit". It crumbles easily.

There is, as you say, a big divide. This group is probably the toughest to get out of.
Say what you want about the Pro League, but until you can find a way of paying 25 players between US$1,500 - US $2,500 per month, it is the best we have. This competition has cost David John-Williams a lot of money.  He never expected to win the Champions League. Perhaps he hoped that just maybe if they got out of the group they could take some scalps. I'm positive that he never expected to lose both games 4-0. Just like Barca didn't expect to lose 4-0 last week.
It is right to criticise these performamces, but when you do, consider the challenge that they took on and maybe ask yourself: Is there anything more that Trini football fans could do to help?
If clubs were getting 2,000 supporters to a game, they could afford a few foreign players to up their quality.
We need to build from home to win away.

Have you ever seen La Liga? I ask that question because you are using Barca's 4 - 0 lost as a saving grace for Wconnection's lost. La Liga is not this and this is not that. Nobody expected the Montreal Impact to be in the championship game either. If you know nothing at all about coach Enrique, you should know that he is a task master and at the end of the season Barca will be 1,2,or 3 in the league standings and defending their UEFA title.

You use words like "hope" and "maybe" in the same sentence like it is some kind of redeeming quality for these embarrassing loses, and that's what they are, even if they were poorly coached and equally prepped for this competition, where are the skills and the "warrior" spirit to compete in the face of adversity? Where is the professionalism? Is that void reflective of the pro league?

It is Dexter Skeene's job and the job of the clubs owners to ask about the fans. These are the people that have to help grow the league. Let them ask the question "What more can I do to bring out the fans". Until then and until they find answers to that question and many more, the league is in an abyss, and teams and players will continue to be stagnant and will continue to struggle to make an impression in the CCL and abroad. You cannot continue to "hope" to win.

Winning loves preparation.

The Barca result was just to recognise that all teams suffer bad losses. Difference being that we all know that Pro League clubs are punching way above their weight, while Bilbao hadn't won squat for 30 years yet still thrashed Barca.

We all agree that top Pro League clubs are probably equivalent to, say, English League 1 or 2. So imagine if Walsall (currently 3rd in League One) played LA Galaxy or Saprissa. Tell me honestly that even they would be happy to concede no more than three goals. Make no mistake, some of these clubs in the Champions League could survive in the English Premier League, La Liga or Serie A.

Pro League have tried many initiatives. If you have any realistic workable suggestions, I'm sure they would try those too. But it takes two hands to clap. You ask what do the clubs do for fans. Well they invest a large amount of time and effort (and money) in trying to create a decent football team. Then develop players for the national teams. They provide live football of a decent quality at a stupidly low admission price. They also hold coaching schools and run 3 youth teams. That's what they do.
All they ask in return is for a fragment of the hundreds of thousands of football fans in T&T come out to a game and spend their $30 (US$5) on watching two games featuring current and future national team players.

Even so called non footballing countries get better crowds.

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I find Lasana is pushing fire on Phillips alone, was it relevant to use his info?

What auditing company and a man's pay have to do with anything?

Lasana does things for hits and I dont respect that.

He has talent, but he obviously working for someone.

And not that I like Phillips because I find he has fallen off a lot but there are to many staff that does nothing enough and is secretly fighting each other, not to mention a press officer who is AWOL most of the times and then of course the worst David Muhamad.

Focus on all, not one if thats the case.

I dont respect the TTFA for that, to many of the same people and same problems as before.



What auditing company and a man's pay have to do with anything?  If only one person is actually getting paid by TTFA, then it is relevant. Also, his package is relevant to the value that he brings and to the affordability of said package.
Remember that Sheldon is virtually running TTFA (and by extension, our national football programmes) virtually single handed. I feel his salary is good value for money. However, if he does receive such a high housing allowance, that may need to be reviewed. There are many very nice houses and apartments available for far less. In that respect, if his allowance was cut to $12,000 p.m., TTFA could hire a full time marketing guy at $9,000 per month.

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