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General Discussion / Re: We reach 3000 members soon..
« on: June 29, 2007, 03:40:16 AM »
Just checked. Shakas letter went out on 15th June. As you know, that has got FPATT its biggest international coverage, so that may be the reason for the guests on 16th.

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General Discussion / Re: We reach 3000 members soon..
« on: June 29, 2007, 03:38:07 AM »
The site not wuking properly. I eh know what wrong but something definetely not right. I agree with Touches play all yuh 25 US and join the WN

If you look at the FPATT stories getting coverage on worldwide sites, they always show the source as SW. Maybeb thats where the guests are coming from? Fairly certain that there were stories out in the media around June 16th.

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Football / Re: FIFA name sacked marketing director as new number two
« on: June 27, 2007, 08:44:35 AM »
rotten to the core.

now allyuh know why jack fit in so well with them boys.

How so?

Looks like he was made the fall guy for the negotiations fiasco and may have been vindicated by the Appeals court decision.  I'm with you though that it's kinda curious that he was given the nice cushy #2 job.


Look at the timing. Blatter and Warner re-elected, which may not have happened if they had been directly implicated. Then they make room by sacking Urs and give Valckle the promised job if he took the rap for mastercard.

All makes sense, really. Especially when you make up the rules as you go along!

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Football / Re: Is England's next generation the best in Europe?
« on: June 26, 2007, 05:28:45 PM »
I found it a bit strange that Agbonlahor stepped down in case he wanted to play for Scotland. He is a very talented player, but I guess he would rather have 50 Scottish caps than 5 England ones. Giggs did the same, and look what a mistake that was! He missed World Cup finals and probably would have won 100 England caps. Maybe England would have actually won something had he played in the white jersey.

I think Agbonlahor should go the England route, he's good enough and his position is versatile.

Micah Richards would have been a great asset, but his future in the senior squad is already confirmed, so why risk him with the youngsters? As usual, you can see the English talent coming through - just watch the flair become stifled by coaches with no vision or ambition.

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Football / Re: LET ME PROVOKE THE MARIBUNTA NEST WITH THIS QUESTION
« on: June 25, 2007, 04:28:37 PM »
I don't think you guys should be that starstruck about the US boys. I'm English and I can think of many more Trini & caribbean stars than yanks. Individually, man for man, I think Caribbean guys have more skill. But the US have so many more to choose from and many more millions of dollars to spend. I think trinidad needs foreign coaches, but I would look at brazil, germany, Italy or even UK. Terry Fenwicks not done too bad.

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Football / Re: Jason Roberts
« on: June 24, 2007, 07:32:36 AM »
I have to say since Dwight Yorke this guy have to be the most successfull  striker from the Caribbean playing in England.

You do know he was Born and Raised in London, just so you know.

Maybe, but he's just founded a soccer academy in Grenada. The mans investing in his roots.

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Football / Re: Letter from Shaka to Warner sent sunday 17th june
« on: June 24, 2007, 03:43:53 AM »
FPATT, Shaka get ah response yet?


I'm afraid there are no prizes for guessing the correct answer to this one!!

If theres any communication, I will post it here.

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FPATT,
could your organisation also seek out other countries who may be having the same sort of experience in their dealings with FIFA and who may want to join you in this?

West, I think we have enough on our plate at the moment!!

I understand what you're saying, but I think we have to concentrate on our aims, which are to provide support and advice for our members. Unfortunately, it appears that TTFF cannot seperate FPATT from the players dispute, so therefore we must help to get that settled before we can really move on with our tasks.

FPATT cannot be the defender of global football, only the defender of football in T&T.

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Yuh see FPATT? Yuh have yuh very own legal research team right here on de Forum.  :devil:

The power of the internet eh? ;D

Red, this is exactly the kind of help we need. Theres so many people on this site who have knowledge that can help the fght. I thank everyone,on behalf of FPATT for your support and research.

This information has been passed on and will join the large amount of data we have accrued.

I think, at last, people can see why the players were so determined to stand up and fight this time.

The next enquiry should concern the measly $400 that the Gold Cup players received. ALL players need protecting.

Unfortunately, until TTFF recognises FPATT, we can't sit down and negotiate contracts....but that will come soon. The problem is, even though TTFF are still abusing the players, unless the players refuse to play until TTFF recognises FPATT and contracts are properly drawn up, FPATT can't help.

The players have to learn that unless they stand up for themselves, nobody can help them.

Look how much stick the Warriors have taken-even on this site- for being "greedy". Hopefully, that will end now.

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Football / Re: Facing the music
« on: June 22, 2007, 01:17:34 AM »
Think this may pan out differently.

As already stated, if the players take TTFF to court, that is a civil matter and is not punishable, particularly if they win.

However, it is the can of worms that it would open that is more interesting.

If a civil court detects some kind of financial wrong doings from the LOC or CONCACAF or FIFA employees, they are obligated to investigate and make charges.

FIFA have to be open and assist the Fraud Dept (if not completely, at least publicly appear to) FIFA cannot stand in the way of a Govt investigating its employees. They will have to co-operate or risk going to trial for perverting justice. They do not wish to be investigated. They cannot support corruption.

They will temporarily suspend anyone involved pending the outcome and then act accordingly. They cannot suspend T&T from tournaments, particularly if the reason for the investigation is its own employee.

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This is what ah find so far:

SourceAmountEvidence
AdidasUS $11,500,0001Adidas brings early cheer for Warriors
Government$14,400,000Government gives Soca Warriors $14.4m
Carib$10,000,000Carib gives $10 million to Soca Warriors
TSTT/bMobile$4,000,0002Statement and Income Expenditure - World Cup Games
National Lottery Control Board$5,000,0003NLCB give $5 million to football
Atlantic LNG$3,000,000Atlantic LNG gives Warriors $3m
Government$2,464,000Minister lays down law for TTFF
KFC$1,000,000Soca Warriors kick financial fuss
Petrotrin$1,000,000Soca Warriors kick financial fuss
SM Jaleel & Company$1,000,000Soca Warriors kick financial fuss
National Gas Company$500,000Soca Warriors kick financial fuss
eBay$300,000Soca Warriors kick financial fuss
British Gas$250,000Soca Warriors kick financial fuss
T&TEC$250,000T&TEC and Crowne Plaza assist Soca Warriors
Crowne Plaza$200,000T&TEC and Crowne Plaza assist Soca Warriors
BHP Billiton$150,000Soca Warriors kick financial fuss
Scotia Bank$91,014Scotia $$ for Soca Warriors
Tital Methanol$15,000Statement and Income Expenditure - World Cup Games
Panini SPA??
Blue Waters??
First Citizens Bank??
Eastern Credit Union??
Unit Trust??


1 - Given over 4 years.
2 - TSTT gave $1,121,382.20 to cover match fees for the first leg of the Bahrain play-off. Not sure if this is a separate contribution or if it is included in the total.
3 - Given over 5 years.

Note: There is also the money from FIFA (for qualification etc.) to be considered, but me eh know how much dat is.

I cannot find any figures for:-

Blue Waters
FCB
Panini
Angostura
Finta
Eastern Credit Union
Unit Trust Ltd

However, I can reveal that at least 3 marketing licences were sold at $80,000 US each. This was confirmed by Daryan Warner in a letter.

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Football / Re: Jack Warner's definition of a principled stand
« on: June 20, 2007, 04:52:37 PM »
Ponnoxx, I like you! I would love for us to go out for a beer sometime (in a bar with plastic bottles and glasses, so we don't kill each other) and we could argue the night away, then stagger off singing football songs together!

But we will NEVER agree on anything.

So much of what you say is true....then you get all negative. Let me tell you, FPATT are far more aware of Jack Warners power and influence.

Check this....He will decide the location of the 2018 World Cup finals. Because rotation will take it to Concacaf, Jack will do the right thing. As USA and Mexico are the only countries capable of staging the event, and they have hosted recently, he will select his chosen host country, and as you know, his votes will probably carry the motion. So England have become Jacks best buddies, and Jack says England would be nice. And England slip nicely in line behind Mr Warner.

Thats how the power game is played.

But it doesn't make him impervious to international law. Because he believes hes untouchable, he says and does silly things.

FPATT have never had an axe to grind with Mr Warner. They have approached him to work with them. For some reason he has chosen not to. FPATT haveonly spoken out against Jack in defence, such as when he accused players of blackmail.

TTFF does need an overhaul and more transparency is required. Also, their election formula must be redesigned soit benefits the interested parties in football.

Your comments about the youngsters selected in place of the blacklisted players are wide of the mark. At the moment, they are being used and abused. Seriously, $400 for playing in the Gold Cup? That would barely buy a T&T replica shirt in London. Is that how much we think they're worth? It doesn't say much for TTFFs value on the new Soca Warriors, does it? No wonder they don't want a union.

You have to go through pain if you want to change things. If FPATT walk away, this will just continue and the kids will see how much more drug dealers are making than International Footballers.

Finally, who do you trust at FIFA? Coz we don't know. No one has come forward privately or publicly. We are on our own, and thats how we must fight for change.

I sincerely hope Mr Warner will come out and support us, but I don't think that will happen. So with him, or without him, we will continue to press for change, transparency and a fair deal for our players.

Now, Ponnoxx, when shall we have that drink, coz I think you're coming back at me!


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Below is a copy of a letter that I sent to all members of FIFPro, FIFA ethics committee and CONCACAF via email yesterday (20/06/07). Thus far, no response has been received.

FIFA has always described football as a global family.

Well it appears that a member of that family is fast becoming an embarrassment. Mr Austin Jack Warner, FIFA vice president, has made some outrageous statements over the weekend which affects every professional footballer on the planet. The question is, are these statements just his biased opinions, or are they an indication of policy from FIFA?
The current impasse between some of Trinidad & Tobagos World Cup stars from Germany 06 and the Trinidad & Tobago Football Federation is well documented. The players feel they were promised a lot more than the £485 they have been offered as their share of sponsorship and TV rights. Because they decided to take legal advise, they were blacklisted by their Federation, even though they continually announced their availability and loyalty to their nation.
This led to a second string team competing in the Gold Cup and being sent home after the first round, with their most notable performance being a 1-1 draw vs Guatemala.
This blacklisting in itself raises questions as to why FIFA have not stepped in to ask why the Federation have victimised footballers because they have taken legal advice. After all, every organisation consults its lawyers before making important decisions , FIFA included. Is this FIFA's way of saying that any kind of legal advice is deemed threatening, and therefore may be punished?
Mr Warner made this amazing announcement on friday in a statement to Oliver Camps and Richard Groden of TTFF: "As President of CONCACAF.....I want to publicly commend you both, and, by extension, your entire Executive Committee and Federation, for the principled stand you guys have taken in resisting being blackmailed into doing what could never have been right for your country and/or your Federation by bending to the will of a mercenary few"
This has shocking repurcussions. Read it again. As CONCACAF president. This is a statement representing CONCACAF and their confederations opinions. Warner has by association stated that CONCACAF are accusing International footballers of blackmail, an illegal act. He is also praising the TTFF for not bending to the will of a mercenary few. This is potentially slanderous in its content. Especially when you consider that all the players have asked for is what they were promised by the TTFF special adviser, who funnily enough, is Mr Jack Warner.
If this wasn't enough, Mr Warner also made a statement to CMC Sports in New York, in which, on the subject of the dispute, he stated  "Don't of course go to lawyer and court and so on. The minute you do that, then you have put a bar on all discussion " It is not clear from this statement in which capacity he is speaking, but CMC described Warner as FIFA vice president. It is therefore reasonable to assume that he is putting forward FIFA policy. If this is Mr Warner speaking as FIFA vice president, his comments are far reaching. He is effectively denying players their human rights in consulting with their legal advisers and if they do, the football authorities will stop any negotiations and can prevent these players from International duty.
Warner continues in his statement to say "It's unfortunate, but that's what happens when players are consumed by greed." and "What Trinidad is suffering from is from a situation whereby 16 or 18 players are holding a country and a federation to ransom because of greed" and continues "It is nothing less than greed".
The greed, Mr Warner alludes to, is the players attempts to obtain what they were contractually promised. A 50% share of the World Cup revenue should amount to more than £11,000. Adidas alone, according to TTFF, paid at least £1million. TTFF sold at least 3 exclusive marketing deals at £40,000  each. Then there was TV money and deals with other sponsors such as ebay and KFC. One deal with Carib beer was worth nearly £100,000 alone.
But perhaps the most shocking aspect of Mr Warners actions is that recently he has positioned himself as the defender of the Caribbean and Africa against recent accusations of corruption in football in those areas.
Particularly when you consider that there have been investigations into Mr Warners financial affairs concerning the £1million sale of black market World Cup tickets, and that this current impasse is concerning money, and the players distrust of TTFFs accounting process, surely Mr Warner, not only as President of CONCACAF, but also as head of the Caribbean Football Union, should be insisting to TTFF that they show complete transparency in their  finances, in an effort, not only to get their best players back on the field, but also to prove to the world that corruption does not in fact exist in the Caribbean.
Currently, the only comments made on the subject of this impasse from FIFA have come from Mr Warner. Surely its time for the Worlds football governing body to launch an official enquiry? Mr Warner is clearly too closely involved to make unbiased statements, and is abusing his position to achieve his personal aims. His comments have brought the game into disrepute as well as bordering on being libelous, and are in defiance of the FIFA code of ethics.
As International Development Manager for FPATT, I am hereby calling on the FIFA Ethics Committee, the members of CONCACAF and the Caribbean Football Union, and members of FIFPro to issue statements condeming Mr Warners statements and formerly recognising FPATT as representatives of professional footballers from Trinidad & Tobago.
It is FPATTs aim to work with all football administrations and their representatives, Mr Warner included, however it is our view that we cannot stand by and let these statements go unchallenged and see the "beautiful game" tarnished in this manner.

Kevin Harrison
International Development Manager,
FPATT
Football Players Association Trindad & Tobago

Letter from Shaka to Warner sent 17th June.

Dear Mr. Warner,

I am writing to you as President of the newly formed Football Players Association of Trinidad and Tobago (FPATT). I and everyone else at FPATT have been occupying ourselves with our launch and the business of representing our general membership. FPATT would like to join you in commending the courageous showing of the young Soca Warriors in this year’s Gold Cup tournament especially in, as you commented, its final drawn match against Guatemala when it played the match with 10 men for all of 58 minutes. It is this same courage that won the hearts of millions around the world at last year’s World Cup. It truly was delightful to witness. They made us all proud.
Your last outburst though has prompted me to write in defense of the characters the most successful team in our nation’s history against your latest slanderous attack.
In response to your latest accusations, it is a person’s human right to legal counsel. Your opposition and the TTFF’s flailing attempts to deny them this right points to stratagem. In all my years as a professional player I have always retained the services of a lawyer to oversee all my negotiations, as I’m sure you have given your many legal incongruities of late. This has never prevented me from entering into talks with anyone. Furthermore these players have always been honoured to wear the red, black and white of Trinidad and Tobago and have never ruled themselves unavailable for national selection as incorrectly suggested. They have always been available to “sit down around a table and talk”, albeit with counsel. Indeed countless efforts to resolve this issue and promote transparency within the national game have seen the TTFF stand steadfast in their intrepidity.
What they are seeking is an impartial ruling as to whether their claim, which they believe they are contractually entitled to, is “remotely justified” (as you put it) or not. You have continually proven yourself heavily biased and opinionated in this matter when in truth, in your capacity as CONCACAF President, you should be the one to advise on the impasse.
The players who represented T&T in the World Cup are all professional footballers; this is their livelihood. This cannot be interpreted as “greed”, or even worse holding anyone “to ransom”. The absurdity of this statement and the blasÈ with which it has been bandied about is beyond me, as it should be to someone in your standing.
This whole episode has shown the importance of a players’ association to the modern game. President Blatter in his recent address to his delegates commented on the efforts FIFA had made “to include players in the decision-making process by signing a memorandum of understanding with FIFPro, the international players’ organization”. The TTFF must now follow FIFA’s lead in recognizing and working with FPATT in an effort to take our game, both at the national and international levels, forward. I look forward to your response.

Yours Sincerely,
Shaka Hislop
President- FPATT

Warner accused of failing to pay T&T bonuses.
By: Paul Kelso (UK Guardian).


Jack Warner, the Fifa vice-president, is again at the centre of controversy over Trinidad & Tobago's World Cup campaign, this time because of a players' revolt over unpaid bonuses. The former West Ham United goalkeeper Shaka Hislop is leading the Soca Warriors in legal action against the T&T Football Federation, for which Warner is a special adviser, alleging that promised bonuses were not paid.
Warner has effectively blacklisted 16 players, including Hislop, Stern John and Chris Birchall, and accused them of being "consumed by greed" after they demanded that a pre-tournament contract to share 50% of World Cup commercial revenues should be honoured.
The federation did deals with Adidas, Ebay, British Gas and KFC before the tournament, with some estimates putting the total value at more than $11.5m (£5.8m). The players claim they have been offered only £400 each, with items including travelling expenses and hotel fees, all of which were covered by Fifa, deducted.
In a letter to Warner, Hislop accuses him of a "slanderous attack" and makes it clear that he will be called to give evidence when proceedings begin in the next week. Last year Fifa's ethics commission ruled that Warner had abused his position by making a £500,000 profit on marked-up World Cup tickets sold through his family travel company, but he hung on to his influential Fifa post.
Trinidad & Tobago players to sue over pay claims.
By: Nick Harris (The Independent UK).


A group of 16 Trinidad & Tobago players who represented their country at last year's World Cup, including seven based in Britain, are preparing to sue their national federation in a bitter battle over bonuses with the Fifa vice-president Jack Warner.
The players include Sunderland's Stern John, Southampton's Kenwyne Jones, Coventry's Chris Birchall, Raith Rovers' Marvin Andrews, and Shaka Hislop, now with FC Dallas in America's MLS. All 16 have been blacklisted by their country's FA and effectively forbidden from representing their country again.
Their legal case is based on the fact that they did a deal over bonuses with the Trinidad & Tobago Football Federation - for which Warner is officially a "special adviser", but effectively in charge - before the World Cup. The players were to receive 50 per cent of profit on six pre-tournament friendlies, plus 30 per cent of commercial and sponsorship revenues arising directly from qualifying for the World Cup. The 30 per cent part was later raised to 50 per cent in a deal brokered by Warner.
The players have no idea how much they are owed - the crux of the case - because of what the players believe are incomplete accounts provided by TTFF. But deals were done on the back of qualification with companies such as adidas, Kentucky Fried Chicken and eBay. The players feel they may be due as much as £200,000 each, but have been offered less than £500.
Warner, who accused the players of greed, said "they will stay outside the pale of organised football" until they drop their legal threats. Their lawyer, Michael Townley, said: "The players are not pursuing a set figure, they're pursuing transparency of the accounts."
Warner accused of failing to pay T&T bonuses.
By: Paul Kelso (The Guardian).


Jack Warner, the Fifa vice-president, is again at the centre of controversy over Trinidad & Tobago's World Cup campaign, this time because of a players' revolt over unpaid bonuses. The former West Ham United goalkeeper Shaka Hislop is leading the Soca Warriors in legal action against the T&T Football Federation, for which Warner is a special adviser, alleging that promised bonuses were not paid.
Warner has effectively blacklisted 16 players, including Hislop, Stern John and Chris Birchall, and accused them of being "consumed by greed" after they demanded that a pre-tournament contract to share 50% of World Cup commercial revenues should be honoured.
The federation did deals with Adidas, Ebay, British Gas and KFC before the tournament, with some estimates putting the total value at more than $11.5m (£5.8m). The players claim they have been offered only £400 each, with items including travelling expenses and hotel fees, all of which were covered by Fifa, deducted.
In a letter to Warner, Hislop accuses him of a "slanderous attack" and makes it clear that he will be called to give evidence when proceedings begin in the next week. Last year Fifa's ethics commission ruled that Warner had abused his position by making a £500,000 profit on marked-up World Cup tickets sold through his family travel company, but he hung on to his influential Fifa post.

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Football / Re: Euro U21 Semi - Hengland vs Holland
« on: June 20, 2007, 01:33:36 PM »
will we ever win a bloody penalty shootout

Its never gonna happen. I mean, you score 12 penalties and still lose. That must be an international record!

Its just bad mojo when you combine the words England with penalty shoot out.

Bollocks, bring back the golden goal!

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Football / Re: Letter from Shaka to Warner sent sunday 17th june
« on: June 20, 2007, 12:48:05 PM »


i always ready to listen to a superior argument  :)

What yuh conclude make sense - metaphorically, the ammo and blows to come is litigation bolstered by public support  - a big lawsuit  - let the lawyers decide how to frame it.


  :beermug: :beermug:

From what I gather, Mr Warner met with the players after the Sweden match and increased the written agreement of 30% to 50%. As I understand it, the written agreement was actually minutes from a meeting agreeing the package. Although not a written contract per se, as there was no further agreements, this stands up in law as it was agreed by both parties. The increase was a verbal amendment, and as such, unless retracted in writing, is also enforceable. There has never been any disagreement that the agreement exists. The disagreement is over how the money is quantified. The players believe it was 50% of income, TTFF are saying it is 50% of net profit. TTFF have included travel, food, training facilities etc as expenses before they players get their share, so effectively, the players paid for themselves to go, whereas the administrators and advisers got their expenses paid. Its a bit like your boss paying you and then deducting business expenses such as rent, electricity, phone bills etc before paying you. You expect to get paid to do your job and the bosses pay the bills. If they got it wrong - tough. Maybe next time they'll do their maths. Don't forget, the players were happy with 30%, it was Warner that increased it.


My hope is that the least this does is bring pressure to bear upon the TTFF to open up their books for independent, impartial examination...which is pretty much a pipe dream at this point, but...



Quick question, b/c I've been seeing conflicting statements regarding this 'agreement'.  Was this a promise or an actual agreement?  Granted such a thing as an oral contract exists, but was this actually set in writing...you or anybody else know?

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Football / Re: A moment with Big Marv
« on: June 20, 2007, 08:55:33 AM »
excellent interview.  this is a real good guy, a true patriot and ambassador of T&T and i hope that all goes well for him in the future...

i surprised nobody ent bawl how come the man have a beer on his t-shirt when he is a christian  ;D

Dog is my kinda preacher. Yes he believes, but a little drink won't do no harm. Let me tell ya, Marvin can lime big style.

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Football / Re: A moment with Big Marv
« on: June 20, 2007, 08:53:01 AM »
$100 for each loss X 2, then $200 for the tie....I guess
I thought about that...but under that scenario ($100 for each appearance) they'd be paid $500...not $400.


FF...I surprise de woman ah de house even let allyuh go een de 'drawing room' in de fuss place,   :D

Minimum of $100 per game played, increasing to $200 for draw & $300 for win.

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Football / Re: Letter from Shaka to Warner sent sunday 17th june
« on: June 20, 2007, 06:41:00 AM »
FPATT, I guess you know about http://www.transparencyinsport.org/ and http://www.playthegame.org/

Yes, mate. Andrew Jennings has put him self on the line to defeat corruption. Top crusader.

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Football / Re: Letter from Shaka to Warner sent sunday 17th june
« on: June 20, 2007, 02:43:11 AM »
Eman u sent it to the times?

Thanks to people on this site, we are managing to get the stories out, however, any more media contacts you have, please pass them on.

As an update, I have had loads of PMs offering help.

We have one member of SW/Wn who is hopefully going to be working with our English lawyer and another who we hope we can develop educational programmes with.

If anyone else can offer help or support, please PM me. We need footsoldiers as well as people with key skills.

It is apparent that the people of T&T are pretty much alone in their fight against tyranny and the development of football.

Our voice is being heard, but it is still a whisper. Lets make this whisper grow into a voice of justice heard around the world.

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Football / Re: A moment with Big Marv
« on: June 20, 2007, 02:12:36 AM »
Having been fortunate to meet Marvin when I was in Trinidad & Tobago for FPATTS launch, I can confirm his personality - and beaming smile- completely removes all the pre conceptions you may have of this fearless, hard defender they call Dog.

 He is the most charasmatic and likable footballer I have ever met. His future in the development of football in T&T is priceless. This man can inspire a next generation of Warriors. I imagine he will be sought as an inspirational motivator around the world. He is a truly good man, and has gained my utmost respect.

 He can also throw a few moves on the dancefloor too!

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Football / Re: Letter from Shaka to Warner sent sunday 17th june
« on: June 18, 2007, 05:37:37 PM »
All the best to FPATT and all who are involved. Hopefully this is the First step in coming to a Mutual agreement.

At last, people abroad are taking interest. There is an excellent comment about tiny Trinidad bringing forth transparency.
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/soccerinsider/
and on another point, Mr Fpatt, this article has a mistake in the first sentence, that from the start gives all who read it the wrong slant on the story.
"The war of words between Trinidad and Tobago's veteran players and the country's leadership ??? continues."
as we, who are here, know it is NOT between the players and the country leaders.
So we continue to have erroneous information being put out there that may slow the momentum in the player's cause.

Thats the problem with the press. you send them a statement and they still misquote you! More importantly, people abroad are finding out whats happening. Once people across the world start to get on the case, theres more chance of a result.

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Football / Re: Letter from Shaka to Warner sent sunday 17th june
« on: June 18, 2007, 03:39:18 PM »

At last, people abroad are taking interest. There is an excellent comment about tiny Trinidad bringing forth transparency.

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/soccerinsider/

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Football / Re: Letter from Shaka to Warner sent sunday 17th june
« on: June 18, 2007, 03:05:15 PM »
I will take a page from TI book and ask why yuh supporting the foreign institutions over the local-based  ;D

Not sure what you meant by this?

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Football / Re: Letter from Shaka to Warner sent sunday 17th june
« on: June 18, 2007, 03:03:57 PM »
FPATT will make it their aim to be as transparent as possible. Obviously, there will be confidential matters that cannot be placed in the public domain, but in most cases FPATT intend to release information as frequently as possible. This letter was released to the press and this site 24 hours after it was sent to Mr Warner.

I asked on this site for any media contacts that you guys may have. I have received some responses, but, please, if you have any contacts, pass them on to me.

Also, it has been decided that I will no longer use the title of Special Adviser to FPATT. This was originally a tongue in cheek title. Now the gloves are coming off, I have been designated International Developmnt Manager. Unfortunately, as I do not receive a salary, there is no pay rise to go with my improved status!

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Football / Letter from Shaka to Warner sent sunday 17th june
« on: June 18, 2007, 02:07:10 PM »
Dear Mr. Warner,

I am writing to you as President of the newly formed Football Players Association of Trinidad and Tobago (FPATT). I and everyone else at FPATT have been occupying ourselves with our launch and the business of representing our general membership. FPATT would like to join you in commending the courageous showing of the young Soca Warriors in this year’s Gold Cup tournament especially in, as you commented, its final drawn match against Guatemala when it played the match with 10 men for all of 58 minutes. It is this same courage that won the hearts of millions around the world at last year’s World Cup. It truly was delightful to witness. They made us all proud.
Your last outburst though has prompted me to write in defense of the characters the most successful team in our nation’s history against your latest slanderous attack.
In response to your latest accusations, it is a person’s human right to legal counsel. Your opposition and the TTFF’s flailing attempts to deny them this right points to stratagem. In all my years as a professional player I have always retained the services of a lawyer to oversee all my negotiations, as I’m sure you have given your many legal incongruities of late. This has never prevented me from entering into talks with anyone. Furthermore these players have always been honoured to wear the red, black and white of Trinidad and Tobago and have never ruled themselves unavailable for national selection as incorrectly suggested. They have always been available to “sit down around a table and talk”, albeit with counsel. Indeed countless efforts to resolve this issue and promote transparency within the national game have seen the TTFF stand steadfast in their intrepidity.
What they are seeking is an impartial ruling as to whether their claim, which they believe they are contractually entitled to, is “remotely justified” (as you put it) or not. You have continually proven yourself heavily biased and opinionated in this matter when in truth, in your capacity as CONCACAF President, you should be the one to advise on the impasse.
The players who represented T&T in the World Cup are all professional footballers; this is their livelihood. This cannot be interpreted as “greed”, or even worse holding anyone “to ransom”. The absurdity of this statement and the blasÈ with which it has been bandied about is beyond me, as it should be to someone in your standing.
This whole episode has shown the importance of a players’ association to the modern game. President Blatter in his recent address to his delegates commented on the efforts FIFA had made “to include players in the decision-making process by signing a memorandum of understanding with FIFPro, the international players’ organization”. The TTFF must now follow FIFA’s lead in recognizing and working with FPATT in an effort to take our game, both at the national and international levels, forward. I look forward to your response.

Yours Sincerely,
Shaka Hislop
President- FPATT

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Football / Re: useless stats of the 2nd WN small goal tournament
« on: June 15, 2007, 07:25:22 PM »
some totally useless facts of the day:

teams: 12

players: 90

yellow cards: 2

Bottles of rum: 14

cases of Beer: 10

Lucozade: 186

water: 200

teams late: 2

number of phone call because nobody bothered reading their emails properly: 68

number of texts: over 40

dogs: 2

bags of garbage: 26

Tents: 2

number of minutes roddy got lost for cause he was so drunk at the end: 45


flights missed by Dwight cause he was liming: 1

sex: at least 5 I see

cap: Kevin Moze cap a man stink stink

best save: a sunderland man with his hand who thought he was Shake



I'll add more as I remember




Number of times Superoli swore in one sentence after I mentioned Jack Warners name ........priceless!

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Football / Re: RUMOUR: STERN TO PRESTON
« on: June 15, 2007, 07:20:57 PM »
From what I saw in the press, Nugent going to Everton-his favourite team. Stern, will be good enough for the national team for at least 3 years, no matter what team he plays for. This story a week old.

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Football / Re: What if?
« on: June 15, 2007, 02:55:51 AM »
The time is fast approaching for negotiations for contract negotiations for 2010 qualifiers. TTFF have still not recognised FPATT. How will these contracts be negotiated?

Once FPATT sit around the table, if TTFF refuse to negotiate fair contracts, the players should withdraw their labour, as is their right.

If football is disrupted in T&T it will be immensly embarrassing for Warner. Every concacaf and FIFA member who is against Jack, will continually question him in open forum. The requested contracts will be similar to nations such as Australia. Therefore, the issue will become one of TTFF not willing to provide their players with contracts standard to theb rest of the world. FIFA would have to appoint mediators and they will ensure the contracts are on a par with other countries. The TTFF will look pathetic and Warner will be embarrassed.

However, this will only happen if the local players stand strong. Don't forget, Theobald effectively crossed a picket line when he put himself ahead of principle and played for Warner, not Trinidad & Tobago.

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Football / Re: Fans Acknowledge Gold Cup Warriors
« on: June 15, 2007, 02:45:23 AM »
It doe look like dem boy and dem eh go get no money from jack a ras claat. after reading that article , it look like jack aint giving up jack. so for the sake of we football they should just cut their losses and in the furture when dealing with jack , call the country to witness and put it in writing in the form of a contract and get it notarized ,BC no body aint go do nothing to help the prosscess, not even a march or nothing , that's how soft trin's are, so for the fans and the development of the game in T&T give it up guys cause nobody aint comming to your aid especially the T&T public. and as for jack warner , he look like he will sell his soul for vanity, so you cant reason with a devil like that. so for the sake of we youth the true fans and our football, leave it alone.               positive.

Ok, so the guys give up. Jack wins again. Do you think he'll lift the blacklist? Or will he continue to punish those guys he personnally dislikes?
Like it or not, these guys crossed the line when they decided to fight Jack Warner. There is no going back. They are not like many people on this site. They are strong enough to take the fight right through to the last bell.

You guys should be proud that they are making this stand. All they ask from the people of T&T is that contiue their support. Otherwise we'll be talking about the same issues ten years from now. Jack has to learn that he no longer owns football in T&T. Its gonna belong to the people, once again.

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Football / Re: Fans Acknowledge Gold Cup Warriors
« on: June 14, 2007, 04:32:22 AM »
I simply cannot understand how a man in Mr Warners position can openly make a slanderous statement such as that. He is bringing the gami into disrepute.

HE is the blackmailer. Remember, he is withholding money that he agreed to pay. He has decided to blacklist the players. The original 16 players have never refused to play!

I can only believe he is calling Stern, Scottie Clayton Ince and Dwight Yorke blackmailers, as they refused to play in support of their colleagues.

This is the most innacurate, inflamatory statement Mr Warner has made over this issue.

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