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Guys, I think you all got to redirect your anger from Shaun Fuentes. Don't forget who's sending him out to face the press instead of doing it themselves. Fuentes didn't cause the impasse, and he's never openly supported the actions of TTFF. In most cases he tries to be as neutral as possible. Maybe he sticks around because he feels he can do more good being on the inside? Maybe he's sticking around in the hope that one day he'll work for a better TTFF? If he walks now, he'll never get the job back. Imagine if SPALK was TTFF media liaison.

Better the devil you know.

We should all focus on the people sending the message, not the guy delivering it.

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Football / Re: Shaka named as Interim FPATT Board President
« on: June 13, 2007, 07:18:39 PM »
Just heard the above news on CNMG Sports. Also on the board are Clayton Morris (VP), Rougier,Leonson Lewis. Fitzpatrick,Cyd,Shaka's dad and another member whose name i did NOT get.

The full line up is as above plus:

Darren Millen (co-opted member)
Philip Nunez (co-opted member)
George Hislop (co-opted member)

The steering committee is

Darren Millen- committee head
George Hislop
Alison Ayres
Dinanath Ramnarine
Carla Herbert
Tansley Thompson
Barry Bedesie

Alison Ayres is FPATT general secretary, Leonson Lewis is Treasurer & Kevin Harrison is Special Adviser.


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Football / Re: Scotland Sweat on Permit Bid
« on: June 12, 2007, 04:22:59 PM »
Scotland was NEVER blacklisted !!! he refused to play after being called. He didn't play in the Digicel Cup either. He have no case.


this is true, however, he can make a case that he was acting in solidarity for his colleagues who have been treated unfairly. He can claim industrial action.

In a joint FIFA/FIFPro memorandum of understanding, point 2.5 states:

 “ With respect to the subject of player availability for national team matches and competitions, FIFPro reaffirms that selection by a national team represents the peak of a players career and that his “right” shall not and should not be jeopardised in any way whatsoever”

Obviously, TTFF have operated against this agreement. By behaving against the spirit of this agreement, a player is within his rights to show his support for his colleagues and withdraw his labour. I would think itwould be harsh in these circumstances for an appeal to find against Scottie.

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Football / Re: Liburd: FPATT urge T&TFF to climb down.
« on: June 11, 2007, 04:11:15 PM »
what ever happened to roger boynes and his meetings???????

why is everyone in football sticking so much?

preety soon pre season willl be starting

stern and company have to report to keano to prepare for game one and earn their starts among the new incoming players

scotty have to go and look for a house and ting and move from scotland

birchall have to regain fitness and train evenharder to gain a plce even on the bench

sancho have to find a club

man when them men gone who roger go meet with??

AURTIS??

Unfortunately, TTFF have got no need to rush. Maybe Boynes been pushing for meeting but his agenda and TTFF not compatible. Anyway, I heard they met today, so when there is some news I will let you know.

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Football / Re: Scotland Sweat on Permit Bid
« on: June 11, 2007, 03:54:35 PM »
Scottie could be the first blacklist casualty. From what I remember, you have to play at least 75% of competetive internationals. Not sure if the Digicel shield would count as competetive. I gues any match that effects the world rankings would count. Certainly, hes missed 3 Gold Cup matches. By my reckoning, that means he needs to have played in the last 9 consecutive matches to qualify. Anyone know if hes done that?

I wonder, if that is the case, if FPATT could appeal on the basis that the blacklist was illegal?

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Not sure exactly how the teams are selected for the Gold Cup, but its probably safe to say that TnT was picked based on the performance of the Team(and players) that went to the World Cup.

And, that is probably why Jamaica was not included in the 2007 Gold Cup.

Would Jamaica have been a much stronger Caribbean representative in this years Gold Cup?  Yuh make the call.

You may not have meant to, but your post does pose an interesting question. If T&T qualified due to past performances, shouldn't they be made to play their best team in the Gold Cup?

Think of it another way. Say Jamaica sudenly come good and play outstanding football and qualify for the World Cup ahead of T&T. Then, when the World Cup finals come around, they play a team of boys and get mash up. Aren't we all going to want to know why T&T aren't there as we are now the better team.

Basically, what i'm trying to say is that you have a moral obligation to use your place in a tournament to field your strongest team, or step down and give it to a federation thats more honest and wants to win. 

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Football / Re: No upset at T&T suffers double loss.
« on: June 10, 2007, 06:22:12 PM »
Shaun Fuentes may not always write from the same angle that we see things, but he does his job professionally. That is, he is the media outlet for TTFF and as such, has to present their official views.

In fact, Shaun is probably THE most professional employee of TTFF. Don't forget Lisana is presenting the case for the prosecution, so there is a kind of balance here.

I'm more concerned about the "free press" and their lack of independent coverage of the FPATT and blacklisted player issues.

In a word, there is none! (well, OK, that was 3 words!)

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This was a good day. Well organised and lots of fun.Congratulations to all those involved.
Special thanks to Stacey, Redtrinigirl and superoli for making me and my son welcome.

 Hopefully we can organise a joint venture soon. Sorry most of the Warriors still in Trini, but will try and get some of the guys to the next event.

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Football / Re: Liburd: FPATT urge T&TFF to climb down.
« on: June 10, 2007, 01:20:56 PM »
Unfortunateley Weary, it works like this.....Does a journo do a piece about T&T that runs for one day and burns all his FIFA contacts, or keeps quiet knowing that without good contacts at FIFA, his days as a soccer journo are over?? Only the brave truly believe in justice.

Like Lasana Liburd..... :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy:


Exactly. But unfortunately, as he is the only journalist speaking the truth, to the outside world it looks like he has a personal agenda. Otherwise, other journos in T&T would be speaking out. They don't know about the editorial control in T&T. If you read four articles and one is completely different, which would you believe? But Lisana must continue his campaign as his is the only voice of truth to be heard.

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Football / Re: Video of Spann's Free Kick Today
« on: June 10, 2007, 01:12:41 PM »
Anybody got a link for Spanns goal against E.S.?

here is the thing you seek ;)

Look Spann goal:

http://www.attachmax.com/Spann_vs_El_Salvador.html

Thanks WC, that was worth waiting for. That keeper had a damn good try, but that was unstoppable.

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Football / Re: Exclusive Interview with T&T player Josh Johnson.
« on: June 10, 2007, 04:26:25 AM »
The man answer those questions like he was not really feeling to answer at all. The man answer to #14 was crazy.

14. How hard was it to leave T&T. Do you still go back. What do you miss the most.
A: It was hard leaving my country that I love, this year will be my first time going back I miss my family the most and (KFC).

I mean who the hell leave T&T and miss KFC, is only 1 good chicken and chips place in T&T and that is ROYAL CASTLE  ;D and not to mention their pepper sauce.

Considering theres a kfc in ever UK town!! I can understand it if he misses plantain, green banana, jerk chicken-you gotta look for those in the Caribbean communities.

As it was noted already, good questions, but perhaps guarded, politically correct answers.

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Football / Re: Liburd: FPATT urge T&TFF to climb down.
« on: June 10, 2007, 04:15:27 AM »
Unfortunateley Weary, it works like this.....Does a journo do a piece about T&T that runs for one day and burns all his FIFA contacts, or keeps quiet knowing that without good contacts at FIFA, his days as a soccer journo are over?? Only the brave truly believe in justice.

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Football / Re: New York Times Pre-Game Commentary on US vs T&T
« on: June 10, 2007, 04:09:44 AM »
Yeah, well, "somebody" has to realise that FPATT has been working the press. "Somebody" knows this, coz when approached by US journos to comment on the blacklist, "somebody" refused and referred the journos to TTFF. TTFF (probably Fuentes) gave the standard response - "unfortunate" etc.

Its difficult to motivate the World Press, but little by little the stories getting out. 

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Football / Re: Stop Sittin' on yuh hands Warrior Nation!!!
« on: June 10, 2007, 03:55:46 AM »
Personally, I think the best way to tackle TTFF is obtain a position of power and respect in T&T football. The only person in this position is Dexter Skeene. If the ProLeague grows stronger, Skeene can speak out without fear. Of course, Mr Warner has an inside track coz he owns JoePublic and therefore has a seat at the table. However, once FPATT build strong ties and begin to implement programmes that benefit ProLeague and there is official recognition of Warrior Nation, the ProLeague will have the backing of players, clubs and supporters, something that TTFF has never had. Yes, it will take time, but don't forget this is how its supposed to be. TTFF should be there to serve football, not the other way around.

 Finally, the press needs to represent the people not the administration. There should be a mass boycott of those newspapers that act as the propaganda sheets for TTFF. Publicity is the oxygen of the ditator, and likewise, bias reporting is not helping the situation in T&T. Maybe you guys  should organise mass boycotts and announce the days in advance. That way, advertisers will pull their adverts for those days and "honest" papers will make a killing. Perhaps then, the editors will be put under pressure to change their ways. This is something real and beneficial that supporters can achieve.

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Football / Re: Video of Spann's Free Kick Today
« on: June 10, 2007, 03:36:37 AM »
Anybody got a link for Spanns goal against E.S.?

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Football / Re: Trinidad stars to play for nothing
« on: June 10, 2007, 03:33:43 AM »
Man, that was funny!

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Football / Re: FUNDAMENTALS!!!!!!!!!
« on: June 10, 2007, 03:17:22 AM »
We seem to have a MAJOR problem with fundamentals...STILL!!  We cannot trap as well as other teams and we definitely cannot pass. In fact our ability to make accurate passes is horrible. WHY IS THIS!!!?? And only Spann looks like an obvious professional kicker of the ball.

While I like the U-17 team, the bad passing is a major fault with them too. Why is this? Anybody know?

We will not progress in football until our players improve technically, no matter which big name coach we have. This Gold Cup side I see trying to play possession in offence, which was non-existant in the WC side, but bad passing and trapping constantly breaking down the plays.

I notice too a troubling lack of confidence when men have the ball at their feet. This from TNT!!! A team with a history of strictly individuals. Men refuse to go forward with the ball and go past a few men, and to tell you you the truth, it looks dangerous for them when they do. No nice one two's either. This I suspect is coming from the coach's methods, stifling individuality too much. He should work on that, or else he will never get the possession in attack he is looking for.

Anyway we have a problem with fundamentals. Something needs to be done. We waay behind other teams, even in the CFU.


Hi Socafan, just to put your comment into perspective, check out the England team at last years world cup. As a group of individuals, you would probably have rated them 2nd favourites to win the trophy. But those players never provide the same level of skill and technique that they show us in the premiership. Its not because they play against a better standard of player-many of their opponents also play in the premiership. I think its probably the huge pressure of expectation that makes them play a more basic game. They probably think rather than perform naturally.

Now your boys have never played against this standard of competition. They also feel the pressure of expectation. But also, they probably don't feel they are there on merit. They have pressure to prove that they are better than the blacklisted players. The fear of failing stifles their game.

Finally, there isn't the basic skill training in place from age 5 to develop a natural first touch. One of FPATTs aims is to get soccer schools in place for all ages from 5 upwards, maybe in conjunction with the ProLeague. Hopefully, there will be news on this subject in the next few months (need to arrange funding, coaches etc)  

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Football / Re: Thread for the T&T v El Salvador game.
« on: June 08, 2007, 05:57:47 AM »
Good morning Soca Warriors. I feel for you as you awake this morning wondering where T&T can go to from here.

You have to be proud of the boys that played last night. If they are not quite ready for the global stage, it is not their fault. Many of these players would have been in the squad had the blacklisted players been available. They would have learned how a squad for a national tournament is prepared. They would have trained with, and sought advice from players who had vast experience from foreign leagues and a world cup finals. Wim would have drawn on that experience to select players to "tutor" the newcomers.
Some of them would have been given a start, but most would have gained experience from the bench and maybe given 20 minutes on the pitch. This is the way you develop your squad and build on your previous success.

It is neither the fault of the players or the coach, but rather the complete responsibility of Mr Camps and TTFF. I have no idea of their motivations,other than spite or bullying, but I do not recall an event like this ever happening. Surely, these people have pride?

Had the blacklisted players been available, T&T may have held on to the lead or even increased it. The defence looked pretty solid in Germany.Stern and Carlos are in goal scoring form and full of confidence. I truly believe this was the year that T&T were going to win the Gold Cup.

Where could those players look for guidance last night when el salvador equalised? Who had the experience to put their foot on the ball and retain possession?

This is the blackest day in T&T's football history. 

Mr Camps, there is only you to blame for this.

You can bleat on about the players being greedy. So what? You chose not to select them. When I have an argument with my fiancee over new shoes, she still cooks my chicken and I still take out the garbage! We sort the shoe situation out later.

Yeh unnerstan meh?? >:(

Warriors, you cannot let this slide. Your dignity, pride and passion must ensure that things change back home in time for the World Cup qualifiers.

Time to write more letters!!

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Football / Re: Spann's super strike fails to save T&T slip.
« on: June 08, 2007, 05:22:59 AM »
Good morning Soca Warriors. I feelfor you as you awake this morning wondering where T&T can to from here.

You have to be proud of the boys that played last night. If they are not quite ready for the global stage, it is not their fault. Many of these players would have been in the squad had the blacklisted players been available. They would have learned how a squad for a national tournament is prepared. They would have trained with, and sought advice from players who had vast experience from foreign leagues and a world cup finals. Wim would have drawn on that experience to select players to "tutor" the newcomers.
Some of them would have been given a start, but most would have gained experience from the bench and maybe given 20 minutes on the pitch. This is the way you develop your squad and build on your previous success.

It is neither the fault of the players or the coach, but rather the complete responsibility of Mr Camps and TTFF. I have no idea oftheir motivations,other than spite or bullying, but I do not recall an event likethis ever happening. Surely, these people have pride?

Had the blacklisted players been available, T&T may have held on to the lead or even increased it. The defence looked pretty solid in Germany.Stern and Carlos and in goal scoring form and full of confidence. I truly believe this was the year that T&T were going to win the Gold Cup.

Where could those players look for guidance last night when el salvador equalised? Who had the experience to put their foot on the ball and retain possession?

This is the blackest day in T&T's football history. 

Mr Camps, there is only you to blame for this.

You can bleat on about the players being greedy. So what? You chose not to select them. When I have an argument with my fiancee over new shoes, she still cooks my chicken and I still take out the garbage! We sort the shoe situation out later.

Yeh unnerstan meh?? >:(

Warriors, you cannot let this slide. Your dignity, pride and passion must ensure that things change back home in time for the World Cup qualifiers.

Time to write more letters!!

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Football / Re: Minister Boynes meets TTFF, then FPATT
« on: June 07, 2007, 05:01:26 AM »
Yeah, I think George was involved initially, and is still advising FPATT. However, FPATT have a team of legal personnel advising on constitution, contracts etc.

You must remmember that at this stage we are relying on the good will of volunteers, but we believe we have some excellent assistance.

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Football / Re: What should the TTFF audited accounts look like?
« on: June 07, 2007, 04:58:29 AM »
Note that these figures are for on field performance. There would have been seperate agreements for bonuses from sponsorship, marketing and tv rights. These can only be negotiated on a tournament by tournament basis as nobody would know the income available years in advance.

However, this is exactly the kind of agreement FPATT would like to have in place as soon as possible.

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Football / Excellent site to keep track of Gold Cup
« on: June 07, 2007, 03:16:52 AM »
This is a great site to keep track of results.  No gossip or news, but good result & table design.


http://www.futbolplanet.de/concacaf/gold_cup/2007_gold_cup.htm

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Football / Re: What should the TTFF audited accounts look like?
« on: June 06, 2007, 08:11:28 PM »
I believe Mr Warner was employed as the world cup campaign manager. His wages and expenses would be covered.
There were also additional people recruited by TTFF, but I have no idea what role they played. The agent, Mike Berry was one such consultant.

I may be wrong, but I think I read somewhere that a seperate company or agency was formed to represent TTFF at the World Cup and manage expenses. If this were the case, then TTFF's spreadsheet may have been accurate, however, of course, the players would want to see the WC company's books, in that case.





Yeah, I think they call it LAYERING in money laundering terms. You create a business to collect the money on behalf of another business. Then you run up so much expenses and pay wages and bonuses that only a small part of that money is returned to the original business. Then they pay the shareholders (or in this case, players) their agreed share of whats left. 50% of nothing is nothing.

In effect a WC company could collect funds and pay an amount to a federation who then pays all the expenses and divide whats left amongst the players, while a large part of the original money is retainted by the WC company and distributed as it sees fit.

Wonder if anyones looked into this?? What ya say FPATT-you gonna chase this down?


Well, mate, this is a serious accusation and FPATT certainly can't publicly accuse anyone of this kind of operation. However, its an interesting thought. Maybe theres a lawyer or journalist out there who could search for the truth, but I don't think it's part of FPATTs remit to enter these areas. After all, we will have to eventually work with TTFF and Jack Warner. As I've pointed out before, we have to look to the future, not the past. Hopefully, by the next World Cup campaign there will be a lot more transparency and agreements will be in place to ensure these misunderstandings are prevented.

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Resume Hot-Line / Re: RESUME OF WEARY 1969
« on: June 06, 2007, 07:57:55 PM »
Hi Joann

Understand you've been speaking to Alison. He seems impressed with you!!

I hope you are able to help out. I know you are tied up until next year, but at the moment we can only afford volunteers anyway!

I would like to think that by next year, we will be able to employ professionals like yourself. In the meantime, as a private project, can you and I work on developing a programme that we can present to FPATT,the ProLeague and the government. I believe that if its properly constructed,we may be able to get govt funding with the support of the ProLeague. The ProLeague have invited me out to T&T to discuss this type of issue, and I would expect to return around August. My aim is to have proposals in place to put before them as an FPATT/ ProLeague joint initiative.

The areas I would like to address are:

A standard further education plan for football scholars aged 16-18 to run alongside their football development. Many scholars will not attain professional standing, so at least they would have achieved further qualifications while they followed their dream and will have a better chance of landing a good job outside football. Whether, this be vocational training or academic studies or a choice of either.

I would also like to develop vocational or academic courses for older professionals nearing retirement.

I would like to develop coaching courses so that players have the confidence to study an area that they feel comfortable in. They may then have the confidence to begin further educational courses. Also, this would lead to better coaching standards and make coaches available to the community.

By promoting football coaching in the poorer areas in conjunction with the ProLeague clubs and players, we can turn younger kids away from drugs and crime.

We may also work alongside the larger employers to provide players with the necessary skill sets they require, and create "apprenteships" with a guaranteed job after football.

Please let me know your feelings on this idea.

look forward to hearing from you.

Kev

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Football / Re: For The Record (Warning may be offensive)
« on: June 06, 2007, 06:20:03 PM »
I truly believe that your argument is flawed, Ponnoxx.

Maybe if you're just one little guy in a workplace you will accept that your promised bonus was kept back. But any man with backbone would immediately decide to go and work somewhere else. To promise a bonus , written or verbally,and then renage on it is the worse kind of industrial relations and man management. All you achieve is mistrust and demotivation.

If a guy was in a union, the boss wouldn't get away with it. If he wasn't in a union, then the boss would be taken to an industrial tribunial.

I don't know what kind of work you do Ponnoxx, but I honestly don't believe you would just shrug your shoulders if it happened to you. If I was one of your friends or co workers, I wouldn't let you stand by and get abused like that.

I don't think your ever going to convince anyone that this broken promise of bonuses is justified. 

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Football / Re: What should the TTFF audited accounts look like?
« on: June 06, 2007, 04:49:50 PM »
No matter how clever someone is, theres gonna be a paper trail-even if money is paid in cash, its gonna leave a withdrawl somewhere.
It just depends how seriously someone wants to find it.

As I've said before, Al capone was only jailed for tax evasion.

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Football / Re: What should the TTFF audited accounts look like?
« on: June 06, 2007, 12:21:21 PM »
I believe Mr Warner was employed as the world cup campaign manager. His wages and expenses would be covered.
There were also additional people recruited by TTFF, but I have no idea what role they played. The agent, Mike Berry was one such consultant.

I may be wrong, but I think I read somewhere that a seperate company or agency was formed to represent TTFF at the World Cup and manage expenses. If this were the case, then TTFF's spreadsheet may have been accurate, however, of course, the players would want to see the WC company's books, in that case.




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Football / Re: For The Record (Warning may be offensive)
« on: June 06, 2007, 12:06:24 PM »
For the Record I am NOT Jack Warner fan…..Ponnoxx

The man has done plenty of wrong to our Football, but he also has done things that helped us. I do not agree with the blacklist but I think is time for a change. Let us examine the blacklist properly and see if there can be a reason why players were left out. Marco Van Basten has made a similar move with Holland(even though their younger players play at a high level too) with some decent and reasonable results.

Avery John – 31- always gave 110% but at 31 may not have the legs to keep up. He was never the best reader of the game so his experience might not be needed.

Anthony Wolfe – 23- Player with good feet and pace but is an inconsistent goalscorer and not the most crafty although skilful.

Atiba Charles – 29- Rugged player that gave his all on the field. Passing always lacked and at 29 doesn’t seem that it would improve.

Aurtis Whitley – 30- Whitley is one of the best players in the PFL but has not reproduced his pre-World Cup 2006 form and at 30 years it would be better to groom someone else. He even went quite Vietnam and get send back!!

Brent Sancho – 30-Did extremely well in World Cup 2006. A hard working player who has mediocre footwork. Sometimes he could let his dedication get in the way of getting the job done properly.

Christopher Birchall - 23 – A welcomed addition to the squad. A great ball winner and probably the best striker of the ball in the National Pool, Chris is definitely one for the future. Lacks vision and footwork and has not been playing regularly enough to warrant the fees to be called back home.

Collin Samuel – 25- Fast winger, strong on the ball and decent passer. His crosses are inconsistent and lacks defensive capabilities but would be a decent addition to any squad as he could play both wings.

Cornell Glen – 25- Blisteringly Fast player with decent ball control. Capable of scoring great goals but not consistent.

Cyd Gray – 33- Hard working defender who can win tackles and air challenges. Lacks composure and at 33 would not be learning soon.

Evans Wise – 33- Great dribbler. Crosses are very inconsistent and does not produce enough goalscoring opportunities when he is on the pitch

Ian Cox – 36- Laborer and too old

Kelvin Jack – 31- Great on collecting crosses and very aggressive. Sometimes can be slow at reacting to certain situations.

Kenwyne Jones – 22- Great Talent, strong, fast, skilful and could score goals. He is a bit inconsistent in front of goal and scores in clusters rather than regularly but has done well this season and may need some rest.
Marvin Andrews – 31- Good at aerial balls. Lacks in footwork and tackle winning and is too old to learn.

Shaka Hislop – 38- Great all round keeper. He is done well throughout his career, even improving his distribution which was his weakest attribute. Retired

Stern John – 30- Proven goal scorer and excellent and holding up the ball. Teams tend to need more movement than he offers. The season has been long and he may need some rest. Ronaldo for Brazil is receiving similar treatment and he has been Brazil’s talisman for a decade now.

The TTFF is definitely too reliant on Jack Warner financially and should be able to accommodate players without his help which is not the case. Fielding a local contingent might be the answer to this dependence on Warner for some simple but practical reasons.  (1) TTFF more accountable for their players (2) The players are not high profile (as yet) so they are easier to manage (3) Coach Wim Rijsbergen gets more time to work with players and monitor them (even in a league like PFL) (4) It could become more of a team than mixing  locals with foreigners (5) the Local players are generally younger .
The accomplished players fighting over money can be viewed as petty because there are footballers locally based who would be dying to get their break (and sometimes  have just as much talent but never got their break). This may be the TTFF's way of cutting their financial ties with Jack Warner (MAYBE) and becoming more self-dependent , because managing a local team would cost cheaper in terms of transport, payment, club conflict resolution and residence. It would allow them to use the money generated from the World Cup to put in place serious infrastructure for Football programs in T&T (from junior to senior). For the 30 year olds who fighting for the money it might just be a new car or house. Blacklisting may even be none existent and just a figment of the players’ imagination. If it is in effect then it might not have been the best way to deal with the situation, but the way the aforementioned “blacklisted players” handled things may not have been most ideal either. My mother always said “two wrongs don’t make a right. ” Somebody has to back down. Trinidad and Tobago’s Football versus a clique of sixteen disgruntled players as a showdown looms ahead. Very pleasing to witness was the formation of Football Players Association of Trinidad and Tobago (FPATT) which could look over the needs of players both foreign and local. The players should be commended for such foresight.


Some interesting points here.

Ponnoxx, you said: The accomplished players fighting over money can be viewed as petty because there are footballers locally based who would be dying to get their break (and sometimes  have just as much talent but never got their break).

Does that mean that if an unemployed man who was better qualified than you came to your workplace and offered to do your job for less money, you would step aside and give him your job? You wouldn't want to appear greedy, would you?

Of course you wouldn't. You really shouldn't mix the different elements of this argument. You should break them down and deal with them individually.

1. Did the verbal contract take place?

2. If it did, is it legally enforcable?

3. Should the players have just accepted $6,000TT?

4. If not, and TTFF wouldn't produce accounts, what options did they have?

5. Where did the World Cup millions go to?

6. Does anybody care?

7. If it wasn't for the players confronting TTFF, this would have been forgotten by most people. Is that right?

8. Do you wish the next generation to follow the scandals of Strike Squad and Soca Warriors?

9 Isn't it time to stand up to this constant mismanagement?

Also, I find this statement incredible: Blacklisting may even be none existent and just a figment of the players’ imagination.

Even the national team manager and Oliver Camps have admitted to the blascklist. It really isn't helpful to include completely incorrect phrases like that.

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Football / Re: Minister Boynes meets TTFF, then FPATT
« on: June 06, 2007, 08:09:17 AM »

 Is FPATT a formally registered union under the laws of T&T ?

 Is it registered as a charitable org ?
 
 Is it registered as a business ?

  How they recieving money ?

 How they could legally operate if not thru the above ?

 Do they have any locus standii to negotiate for players ?

 If not, would not Boynes' intervention be pure politiking ?



As I understand it, FPATT was registered 2 or 3 years ago as a union. There is a constitution in place with a democratically appointed board.
Don't think it is registered as a charity yet.
They are not receiving money as yet!! There are some sponsorship and business partner deals being finalised. Other than that, income has been from the fundays.
I have no idea what  locus standii means.

If you have legal/ business law  knowledge, then can you volunteer to assist us. Don't forget, we are not business experts or company lawyers. We have legal advisers, but everybody is helping voluntarily.

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Football / Re: Minister Boynes meets TTFF, then FPATT
« on: June 06, 2007, 07:45:05 AM »
I am sure that questions will begin to be asked soon. No one outside T&T is aware of the real situation. However, once FPATT is fully established, they can ask questions via FIFPro.
Do you know if FIFPro has any contacts in the general media who could ask Mr Warner some pertinent questions during the Gold Cup?
We have to catch this guy making some outrageous comment so that the rest of the FIFA world will have to wake up to his dealings.

Funny you should say that! I have already emailed the chairman of the US players union asking that question are explaining the whole blacklist situation. I think its the ideal oppertunity for the global press to put Jack on the spot.

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