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General Discussion / Re: Governance under the Rowley Administration
« on: September 14, 2015, 09:00:53 AM »
Bredrin, I didn't sniff the glue ... just posted the article on the "wall" for general consumption and discussion. I'm not in the habit of posting only that with which I am in agreement.

I would be interested in learning more about the writer. That would unearth things.

Indicating that the writer "resides in Trinidad and Tobago" could point to the writer being a Jamaican expat.

Maybe this guy?

It wasn't written by Gerald Vincent - it was actually written by Marcia Braveboy. She is Trinidad's equivalent to a Sean Hannity / Glen Beck. A very toxic woman that thrives on being controversial and getting attention. I'd suggest ignoring this article and paying no attention to her.

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General Discussion / Re: T&T 2015 General Elections Thread
« on: September 12, 2015, 11:43:41 AM »
I would suggest some folks in this thread pause, read this article, and reflect:

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http://m.guardian.co.tt/columnist/2015-09-12/heart-darkness

Heart of darkness

Paolo Kernahan

Published: Saturday, September 12, 2015

All Indian is scyaaamp and drunkards, black people lazy or dem is bandit, see-reean is bandit in suit, de Whiteman is ah oppressor from colonial days (and should jess hush he mout), chinee only like money and dog.

If we are honest with ourselves, the racial stereotypes listed above are very familiar to us, or have even crossed our own lips at some time or another.

Elections 2015 opened a fissure, exposing the dark heart of racism, prejudice and negativity that pumps hatred through the veins of this nation.

That people were surprised by all the nastiness, points to either a well-nurtured naiveté or garden variety stupidity.

We are masters of pretence, masking our foibles with the pantomime of mirth, conviviality and plastic unity.

I recall my time in the media when every state function was opened with performances by the Shiv Shakti Dancers and the Malick Folk Performers. Representatives of the two major races revelled in cultural expression together on the same stage!

Then, attendees would have to sit down, then stand up, then sit down again as Pundit, Imam, Bahai, Pastor, “Seven-days” delivered interminable blessings.

This flimsy charade neatly encapsulates our attitude towards race relations. We bury our heads (not in the sand though) and pretend that we are a melting pot nation, a diverse mix of races and cultures all living in harmony. This…is…garbage.

Facebook, in the aftermath of the elections, became an environment of unfathomable toxicity.

Even as Dr Keith Rowley delivered a particularly-gracious victory speech, designed to assuage the hostilities of the elections, to wake people to the reality that we must all live and work together, the mob on the ground had different ideas.

Political zealots surged at the fences, hurling putrid abuse at the former Prime Minister, cavalierly condemning this woman as a creature of loose morals, a hyper-charged libido and an agent of iniquity.

For their part, the UNC supporters, wounded in defeat, mounted their own racist offensive. The party’s page was transformed into an unofficial, smouldering hate group.

The comments laid bare a society unbound by conventions of civility and grace.

One common incendiary notion is that “Africans” are intellectually inferior and, as such, are ill-suited to a leadership role in the society.

This warped ideology in turn had the effect of attracting PNM supporters to the page. Spoiling for a fight, they deposited their own racist posts. What was remarkable is that the anti-racists are blind to their own racism.

One post read “all of those nasty comments on the UNC’s Facebook page, the only cure for that is Lanate.”

That person couldn’t appreciate that he was guilty of the same offence the post was meant to repudiate.

Elsewhere, a video surfaced of some men attempting to burn, an apparently fire-proof UNC jersey. The video was peppered with guttural obscenities and racist remarks.

Others, who felt themselves above the fray, also contributed to the noxious atmosphere. It was widely suggested, by many people from whom I expected better, that those who didn’t vote for the PNM, are on the side of immorality. Invoking the name of Jesus (in Jesus name!) as the weak-minded are often wont to do, PNM supporters posit that Dr Keith Rowley’s victory at the polls was somehow ordained by God; he was sent from up above to rid this country of the wicked UNC/Hindu government…In Jesus name, H.I.M.

Thus, you have introduced into the equation the ethos of good versus evil.

No platform for unity can be built on nakedly inferred religious intolerance.

But calls for “unity” among citizens are an illusion.

What we truly want is acquiescence. In 2010 and now, hush yuh mout’ we time now!

Additionally, it was laughable to read puerile quips about East Indians with respect to alcohol. We are in fact a nation of drinkers so that is just the pot calling the kettle Indian.

Quibbling over who drinks more than whom is practised obfuscation.

We blame our politicians for fomenting racial and other varieties of hatred but politicians merely exploit the hate resident in the hearts of our people.

Facebook was a snapshot of a pervasive scourge in society. Anyone who believes that the post-elections vitriol was restricted to social media, is either a fool, a liar or both.

Hatred in the heart is difficult, if not impossible to expunge. Older generations are lost to this pernicious affliction.

We must inoculate our children against the heredity of racial hatred and mistrust.

There ought to be an aggressive and sustained education campaign to teach our children about appreciation for cultural differences.

Modules must be introduced in our schools to programme future generations with an understanding of cultural diversity in T&T.

They must be given the mental software to counteract the hatred encoded in our national DNA.

Many will deny it, but both sides of the political divide were guilty of great atrocities.

Trinis love to say: “One love, we all have to live here.”

Of course, we all have to live together but, as this week aptly demonstrated, we don’t have to like it.

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General Discussion / Re: T&T 2015 General Elections Thread
« on: September 12, 2015, 09:21:32 AM »
Okay, so whey allyuh think is the  first setta tings should be done

Tamp down significantly on crime? ('cause in reality only a Saddam type dictatorship can truly eliminate it)
Expose Dana Seetahal and Selwyn Richardson murderers?
Sen Jack, Ish and Steve in dey plane rides?
More Jump and wave celebrations in Manzanilla?
#1 priority should be the economy. We need a plan and contingencies in case this low oil price ends up lasting for a long period of time.

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General Discussion / Re: T&T 2015 General Elections Thread
« on: September 11, 2015, 12:19:22 PM »
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TWO days after losing Monday’s general election, former prime minister Kamla Persad- Bissessar yesterday officially congratulated new Prime Minister Dr Keith Rowley and the incoming People’s National Movement (PNM).
Her congratulations to Rowley, who is also PNM political leader and Diego Martin West MP, came hours after Rowley took the oath of office at Queens Hall in St Ann’s, and hours before she looked set to be made the new Opposition Leader after her party resolved that she remain as its political leader.
Speaking with Newsday, Persad-Bissessar said, “I congratulate the new Prime Minister and the new government.” Persad-Bissessar, who is also United National Congress (UNC) political leader and Siparia MP, said the new focus of the People’s Partnership (PP) coalition is rebuilding and re branding itself as a “viable Opposition” in the 11th Parliament which is expected to be convened soon.

https://www.facebook.com/UNC-United-National-Congress-106385386218744/timeline/

That was from the UNC facebook page. That seems to me as accepting the results, which is contrary to other releases about contesting the results. It's tough to keep up with what they're doing.

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I would say he has big shoes to step into, but given how poor the last few ministers of sport were, mediocre performance would even be welcome. I'm wishing for no conflicts of interests and some sort of civil relationship with the TTFA.

Also, another Fatima old boy at the helm.. Anil was also a Fatima old boy, hope that's not a bad omen.

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General Discussion / Re: New Government Ministers 2015
« on: September 11, 2015, 12:13:37 PM »
I'm not hot on Anthony Garcia - saw his ineptness when he was principle of Fatima.

Thumbs up for Dennis Moses on Foreign Affairs. He has an education background in international affairs, has OAS and previous foreign affairs experience (extensive), and I believe he also speaks Spanish. Very good choice for the role in my opinion.

Not sure about Imbert in Finance, mostly because he'll get more speaking time during budget presentations and I hate hearing him speak. Whoever they picked is going to have the toughest job for the next 5 years (and security).

I'll put Hinds in the same category as Imbert. Never liked him, and don't remember if he ever had a cabinet position under Manning. That is a big Ministry so hopefully he doesn't drop the ball.

Deyalsingh was a pharmacist before I think, but we've had doctors with the Health portfolio before. Our health issues are more about management than science, so hopefully he can do a job. Personally I like him so optimistic about that one.


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You write off the man after listening to him at one Town Hall meeting??  Okay then..... ::)
Skepticism isn't writing someone off, calm yourself. I'm hopeful for change, but not optimistic based on initial impressions.

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General Discussion / Re: T&T 2015 General Elections Thread
« on: September 10, 2015, 08:48:49 PM »
This probably means that PNM voters in the PNM strongholds came out and voted in much higher numbers than usual.

Normally PNM stronghold voters average around a 50% turnout while UNC stronghold voters average a 75% turnout but I suspect that for these 2015 elections the PNM stronghold voters averaged at least a 70% turnout meaning that finally young Black people in PNM stronghold areas like Laventille came out in high numbers to vote.
Not really. The bottom 10 constituencies in turnout were once again most PNM strongholds. Total turnout was 66.84%, but Laventille's were 55-56%. Up from the last 2 elections, but less than 2002 and still less than average. Only 2 of the bottom 10 constituences had a 60% or higher turnout.

One noticeable thing is that UNC strongholds, while still above average, weren't as high as in prior years. Seems like a combination of higher than recent (i.e. last two elections) voting in PNM strongholds and lower than recent voting in UNC strongholds helped the PNM win the popular vote.

Still, this election follows the trend for the last few decades where PNM strongholds don't vote at national averages.

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General Discussion / Re: T&T 2015 General Elections Thread
« on: September 09, 2015, 11:09:36 PM »
don't feel sorry for me padnah feel sorry for yourself....... what you have obviously failed to understand what you are in denial about is that every facet of the PP gov't was corrupt..yes in past gov'ts there were elements of corruption and it happens everywhere in the world but the mandate of the former gov't was not about good governance but what they can get for their own and themselves. So for you to pretend that they were otherwise is intellectually disingenuous provided I'm allowed the liberty to use "you and intellectual" in the same sentence.
I won't waste your or my time any further, but just note (or well, actually read) that I'm not denying or excusing PP corruption or incompetence. If that's all you can take from my posts, I hope one day you can see things beyond everything being black or white (or red and yellow I guess).


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General Discussion / Re: T&T 2015 General Elections Thread
« on: September 09, 2015, 11:03:19 PM »
PNM won 50.76 % of the vote.

http://www.elections.tt


Thanks for the link. The numbers on elections.tt (Guardian website) are a little different from the screenshot of the spreadsheet linked earlier, not for the PNM/PP numbers, but for the ILP and others. I was curious how many votes the other parties ended up getting. According to the Guardian site, the ILP got 8,368 votes total, with half coming from Jack's seat. Looks like he would be the only one to get back his deposit for the ILP, or for any of the non PNM/PP candidates for that matter.

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General Discussion / Re: T&T 2015 General Elections Thread
« on: September 09, 2015, 08:17:29 PM »
you know you're right it's that typical sycophantic hmmm or is it sickophantic or psychofantic...anyway they are always purporting to be neutral and looking at facts. Look at the compounded jackassery he is talking now that if numbers were adjusted for inflation.

I truly feel sorry for you if you think, when trying to quantify corruption between administrations in a long time span, that using inflation adjustments to directly compare dollar amounts is "jackassery". Inflation isn't rocket science. I think an educated person would consider that common sense, but you're entitled to your opinion.

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General Discussion / Re: T&T 2015 General Elections Thread
« on: September 09, 2015, 07:49:06 PM »
I figure if they had to hold the election again, the PP/UNC would lose even more seats. They should calm themselves down with that shit and take their loss in stride.


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Embarrassment for the President's Office, if that's the case. Also noticed their official email was a gmail account - it's crazy that the head of state of our country  uses a US owned and operated cloud email for communication.

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I think we have bigger issues to deal with than this procedural crap.

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General Discussion / Re: T&T 2015 General Elections Thread
« on: September 09, 2015, 02:02:26 PM »
Well I humbly disagree - I think if you look at the sheerness of corruption, the 1981-1986 government was probably the worst. I'd even say the electorate probably agreed given how overwhelmingly that government got voted out as well. We haven't seen a sweep like that in our history ever, and the only time a government has been swept like that is when the opposition boycotted the elections in 1971.

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You said your objection was based on "what I've heard of Dillon."  Now you're telling me it was based on what you personally heard him say at a town hall meeting.  I'm sorry, next time I'll stop and take time to read your mind before responding.
No you are selectively quoting. In my first reply #14 I stated that. You replied to that post first, so you obviously read it. That quote was from a subsequent reply.

Nice try though with that bullshit.


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General Discussion / Re: T&T 2015 General Elections Thread
« on: September 09, 2015, 01:53:21 PM »
I realised that R45 must be a typical blind UNC supporter when he replied to me with that drivle about corruption being a perception.
Just couldn't be bothered to argue with him. Thought I'd just  allow him to continue drinking that koolade if he likes but I am not drinking.
No it's more that some of you people just are choosing to read what you want, and are blinded by partisanship to critically look at issues within the context of our long history. I wasn't a fan of the PP, but most of their shit was done by previous administrations. That doesn't excuse their actions, but you can't look at things in isolation when you're voting back in people that did the same shit before.

I'm a very happy neutral, thank you very much.

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General Discussion / Re: T&T 2015 General Elections Thread
« on: September 09, 2015, 01:49:48 PM »
How can corruption be a perception??? when never in the history of Trinidad and Tobago has a government spent 400 billion dollars in 5 years.
Just to be clear, if you want to quote me, put it in context. My perception comment is that they are perceived to be more corrupt than other corrupt governments we've had.

1. Are you saying every cent spent in the last 5 years were corrupt? I don't think even the PP's biggest detractors suggest that.
2. Inflation adjusted, the PP's budget spending isn't that far off from previous administrations. In 2009/2010 (the last PNM budget), there was a revenue projection $36B TTD and and spending of $46B TTD. In 2015 numbers, adjusted for inflation, that would be $54B TTD and $69B TTD respectively. If they ran those numbers every year for 5 years, you would have had around $350 B TTD spent over 5 years, with $75B TTD of debt. Anyway my point is 400B TTD is a lot of money but using that number alone without context doesn't really mean much.

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How can you say it's a perception when a company with ties to the gov't receives 1 billion dollars to build roads but has to outsource contracts because they don't have the capabilities
Because it's not the first billion dollar corruption scandal we've had. The Piarco airport was a billion dollar scandal, and in today's dollars it's a multi-billion scandal. The UDECOTT contracts were billion dollar scandals. It's not the first, and probably won't be the last unfortunately.

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When a PM leaves Parliament Thursday and doesn't return till the following Wednesday...who was actually running the gov't
People who forget our history are doomed to repeat it. Kamla was not the first prime minister to be accused of bizarre behaviour.

Do people not forget Manning's relationship with Julia Pena - that she was giving him "spiritual advice" on government matters (and he used gov't resources to find her multi-million dollar church).

Eric Williams was accused of disappearing for weeks at a time to write books, where even senior members of his cabinet could not reach him for days. He'd remain at home and not venture out to his office for a week or two at a time, which created chaos for the folks around him.

I absolutely agree that Kamla had bizarre behaviour though.

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When a man gets a check for millions of dollars for lifesport but doesn't do one thing...how could that be perception
Again (theme) not the first time. We've had scandals upon scandals of people collecting money from gov't programs like scholarships during both the PNM/UNC administrations pre-2010, ghost workers in state companies, and flat out corrupt bribes.

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Given the option between a bureaucrat/political functionary and someone with actual experience training and bonafides... I'll opt for the latter everyday.  That aside, you say that you object to Dillon, based on "what [you've] heard" of him.  That's almost laughable.
My objection was based on what he said he would do at a town hall meeting, and that's laughable?

We shouldn't judge politicians on what they'd say we would do?

Are you serious?

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General Discussion / Re: Faris AL-Rawi TIPPED FOR AG Thread.
« on: September 09, 2015, 11:54:55 AM »
National Security by definition incorporates a military role.  Further, when one examines the elements of the portfolio, it makes sense that an individual from one of the branches of the armed forces be appointed to lead the office.

Not suggesting it isn't part of the portfolio, but I think the "makes sense" argument isn't that strong given that many countries around the world appoint non military/police persons to lead the ministerial portfolios which include policing and national defense. In Canada the Minister of Public Safety has responsibility for the RCMP (Police) and other agencies, and the Minister doesn't have a military background. The Minister of National Defence (where the military reports to) is also a non-military political head.

Granted we've had both Ministers of National Security with a military background (i.e. Alfonso, Griffith, Theodore) and without (Martin Joseph, Howard Chin Lee, Jack Warner, Emmanuel George, etc.) under both the PNM/UNC. My real judgement is on the plan, regardless of background - from what I've heard of Dillon, the emphasis he spoke of was largely what we've heard before (tools and weapons) versus some of the more boring reform that is drastically necessary.

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General Discussion / Re: Kamla Persad-Bissessar Thread.
« on: September 09, 2015, 11:42:00 AM »
She really isn't doing much to help people who questioned her judgement and ability to lead for the past 5 years. She should have never requested the security to leave - if we had an emergency between the election night and Rowley's swearing in, she was still legally the Prime Minister. I think not showing up to Rienzi also showed poor leadership as the very least you can do after such a long campaign is show solidarity with folks that supported her. Leaders are judged by the actions they take.

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General Discussion / Re: Faris AL-Rawi TIPPED FOR AG Thread.
« on: September 09, 2015, 11:20:49 AM »
Confirmed Faris as AG; Dillon for National Security.
I knew the latter was happening, but I was hoping it wasn't the case. I listened to Dillon at a town hall and I was very unimpressed. I don't get why we keep putting leaders of the regiment as Ministers of National Security. We need a complete reform of the police service (from the ground up), and military leadership isn't necessarily what we need to get us there. We need a demilitarization of the police with an emphasis on basic education, investigative skills, understanding of criminal law, and community relations. That's entirely different from the role of the defense force.

I'm hoping for a change but initial signs/comments really don't suggest we will be getting a different approach.

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General Discussion / Re: T&T 2015 General Elections Thread
« on: September 09, 2015, 11:03:32 AM »

So PNM has won the popular vote.

PNM= 334,016.

UNC= 310,370.






Some of these numbers aren't adding up. The Diego Martin North and West seats had several independent candidates running, and I recall (at least on the TV6 broadcast) they got a couple votes. On that spreadsheet it shows no votes at all. Not like it has an impact to overall result, but something is wrong with those numbers.

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General Discussion / Re: T&T Prime Ministers !!
« on: September 09, 2015, 09:58:49 AM »
I wonder how Manning and Rowley's relationship is today. We all know they did not get along for decades - Rowley tried to run against him several times before the whole UDECOTT fiasco. I suspect they maintain minimal communication - Manning looked better on election day but you can tell movement and his speech is difficult.

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General Discussion / Re: T&T 2015 General Elections Thread
« on: September 08, 2015, 01:41:51 PM »
The fact that the PNM was decimated in 2010 because of a perception of corruption while the UNC which has had 100 times more corrupt in the last 5 years gain votes and seats in 2015 proves my point.
Remember in 2010 the UNC won 15 seats while this time round they won 18 (an increase of 3 seats) despite all the clear corruption.

Argument done.

Not really bro. Corruption is a perception since it is difficult to quantify who is "more" corrupt. Frankly outside of the 1986-1991 government (which is likely the most corrupt we've seen since independence), all the others are comparable and debatable. You are going on the premise that UNC voters saw the PP gov't as being very corrupt. I suspect though, based on sentiments I gather, that the UNC/PP lost support moreso due to the scandals and incompetence rather than corruption perception. To say that they were more corrupt than the 2007-2010 PNM administration is subjective and an opinion over a clear fact (it could be true, or it could be false - I don't think we'll ever find out as corruption never gets properly prosecuted in this country).

The UNC did not gain seats. The UNC lost 4 seats versus 2010. The only gain was retaking the Chaguanas seat from the 2013 by-election, which they had originally won under Jack in 2010.

Look the whole who is more corrupt is definitely debatable. But the suggestion that the UNC base is more loyal/tribal than the PNM really has no foundation based on election evidence. In the last three decades, both parties have held on to a base regardless of how unpopular their government is.

There is one difference between the two parties though - if you look at voter turnout, some of the UNC core constituencies consistently get a higher voter turnout than PNM areas. Several UNC core areas (such as Couva, Fyzabad, Chaguanas, Oropuche) consistently get a higher than average vote turnout compared to the overall amount - these constituencies have seen turnouts in the 70-75% for the last several elections versus the national average being in the 60% range.

Conversely, the PNM stronghold areas like Laventille, POS, and Diego Martin have seen below national average turnouts year to year, even in the years when the PNM is very popular (like 2007). Laventille often dips below a 50% turnout when the national averages are in the mid 60%. That is a big factor why the UNC always does well in the popular vote. If you look at statistics from every election, the lowest 10 constituencies in voter turnout are almost always PNM strongholds.

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General Discussion / Re: T&T 2015 General Elections Thread
« on: September 08, 2015, 09:54:54 AM »
Many PNM suupporters were happy with the results in 2010 because they voted for the PP.
PNM supporters are willing to shift their votes and give another party a chance if they believe that there is corruption in their party.
UNC supporters don't shift regardless of how corrupt they know that their party is behaving in government.

Don't be ridiculous man. Both the UNC and PNM have their tribal/loyal support. Both parties have a more moderate support base that swings. In 2010, the more moderate PNM support swung to the PP (the PNM still got 285k votes in 2010 despite Manning's unpopularity). In 2007, many of the moderate UNC supporters voted the COP (largely a vote against Panday). In that year, the UNC got 194k votes while the COP get 148k). Both the PNM and UNC have a loyal following of at least 150-175k that vote for their respective parties regardless of how the government performs.

Even the lowest of lows of the PNM (1986 election), the PNM still received 183k votes or 32% of the vote.

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General Discussion / Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
« on: September 08, 2015, 08:37:10 AM »
I would like to thank Jack Warner and his ILP party for their crucial role in helping to get rid of the most corrupt government in T&T history.

I think Dr Rowley should offer JW a senator position in government if Jack would accept one.
I hope you aren't serious.

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General Discussion / Re: T&T 2015 General Elections Thread
« on: September 08, 2015, 08:16:50 AM »
I think you'll find idiots from either party, and if the UNC won, we'd see some dumb posts from the other side.

Elections were easy, the trouble is governing now. The PNM has a tough job ahead with the price of oil and a volatile economy. Additionally, not having a special majority means that some of their manifesto items (like the local gov't reform) will require UNC help to pass.

Rowley has his work cut out for him - I think one of his biggest challenges is going to controlling his own party as there were some folks in his ranks that were cool on his leadership. I'm curious to see how he selects his cabinet, especially if he gives some of his senior MPs who he has history with (Hinds, Imbert, McDonald, etc.) senior positions.

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Football / Re: Cops probe Fenwick.
« on: September 03, 2015, 09:01:22 AM »
When is the last time an investigation by the T&T Police Fraud Squad actually lead to a prosecution? I wouldn't worry about it.

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