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General Discussion / Re: Ferguson, MO
« on: October 22, 2014, 08:07:44 PM »
So some details on the autopsy has been revealed. What allyuh think? They indicate that he was shot at close range which may corroborate the officer's account of a struggle inside the car.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/22/justice/ferguson-michael-brown-autopsy/index.html

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Football / Re: "You'll Never Walk Alone" - de Official Liverpool thread
« on: October 22, 2014, 06:32:01 PM »
:rotfl:

Or hor! Yuh lucky ah see that last part!

Doh laugh at man pain  :-[

Sorry, sorry.  :)

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General Discussion / Re: President Anthony Carmona Thread
« on: October 22, 2014, 05:41:38 PM »
Well I never see more. What's a pre-action protocol, anyway?

Notice of intent to sue, more or less.

Steups well he bold! Doesn't something have to be untrue to be called defamation? So what, all the calypsonians have to watch what they sing for carnival? Why he doh tell his wife to dress with decorum at the next UN function.

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Football / Re: "You'll Never Walk Alone" - de Official Liverpool thread
« on: October 22, 2014, 05:33:09 PM »
Brilliant performance by Liverpool... everything but the win unfortunately.  Match was in the balance until the ref decide tuh cheat fuh Madrid.


Well... not exactly, but I prefer that storyline.

 :rotfl:

Or hor! Yuh lucky ah see that last part!

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General Discussion / Re: President Anthony Carmona Thread
« on: October 22, 2014, 01:39:36 PM »
Well I never see more. What's a pre-action protocol, anyway?

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Entertainment & Culture Discussion / Re: KFC: A very Trini obsession
« on: October 18, 2014, 02:32:35 PM »
last summer i brought down some canadians to trini for a weddin and introduce them to kfc......jeezan ages.....they went crazy......even during the weddin at the hilton they leave to go get kfc.

lol

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Entertainment & Culture Discussion / Re: KFC: A very Trini obsession
« on: October 16, 2014, 10:59:45 PM »
 :rotfl: Great article

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General Discussion / Re: Dana Seetahal murdered
« on: October 13, 2014, 07:20:02 PM »
Who's the man? Dan?

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General Discussion / Re: Gays Thread.
« on: October 05, 2014, 06:14:30 PM »
So to the Moderator (Brownsugar?) who is deleting people's comments...what is the reason for this?

Only comments of a particular vein are now permitted? What nonsense going on here?

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General Discussion / Re: Gays Thread.
« on: October 05, 2014, 04:35:19 PM »
Who deleted Ramgoat's comment and why?

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General Discussion / Re: Dana Seetahal murdered
« on: October 03, 2014, 07:21:19 PM »
Mandela wasn't brutally murdered though, but ok if you didn't find it in poor taste. No scene (and I'm not being sarcastic).

... none of the original comments identified cause of death as a basis for opposition to the article. And, I don't find cause of death to be material regarding whether to publish the article or not. Emotionally, I get it ... but we're also dealing with information accessible to the public ... regarding public figures.

Moreover, the Express article properly treats the will in the context of Ms. Seetahal's murder, the present status of the investigation, and her public function at the time of her death. To significant degree, the article also reflects her thoughtfulness and humanity.




They could have done all that without detailing exactly who got what and how much. That was just crass. And information that's accessible to the public is different from say, taking the furth step and publishing said information in a widely circulated newspaper.

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She side step the issue quite smartly by blaming the Catholics for the opposition. Catholics are no longer the majority religion in TT.

I think they still are unless you're drawing a distinction between "practising" Catholics and nominal ones.

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General Discussion / Re: Dana Seetahal murdered
« on: October 03, 2014, 08:31:25 AM »
Mandela wasn't brutally murdered though, but ok if you didn't find it in poor taste. No scene (and I'm not being sarcastic).

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General Discussion / Re: wdf happening in hong kong?
« on: October 02, 2014, 11:27:50 PM »
Oh God...ok.

You have to forgive me is not everyday I encounter somebody with anti-democratic sentiments.

I think you're trying to bait me into an argument, because I'm sure you don't hold such a simplistic view of the situation.

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General Discussion / Re: wdf happening in hong kong?
« on: October 02, 2014, 06:44:02 PM »
National Democratic Institute for International Affairs
$460,000
To foster awareness regarding Hong Kong's political institutions and constitutional reform process and to develop the capacity of citizens - particularly university students - to more effectively participate in the public debate on political reform, NDI will work with civil society organizations on parliamentary monitoring, a survey, and development of an Internet portal, allowing students and citizens to explore possible reforms leading to universal suffrage.

http://www.ned.org/publications/annual-reports/2012-annual-report/asia/china-hong-kong

As I said, I wonder how "spontaneous" and representative of the majority these protests really are.

Pivot to Asia indeed.

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General Discussion / Re: wdf happening in hong kong?
« on: October 02, 2014, 04:29:57 PM »
Oh God...ok.

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General Discussion / Re: wdf happening in hong kong?
« on: October 02, 2014, 01:26:56 PM »
And after 17 years living under Basic Law, as negotiated between the British and mainland China, they suddenly decide this isnt fair? How representative are these  protesters anyway?

Is there some kinda time limit on how long people should put up with non-representation and suppression of individual rights?  I mean, who were the slaves to stand up and fight for freedom after 250 years of living in a chattel system as negotiated by African and European slavers?

What an apt comparison...

Are these protests "spontaneous" and representative of most people in Hong Kong?

Anyway, nothing is going to come out of it.

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General Discussion / Re: wdf happening in hong kong?
« on: October 02, 2014, 11:57:17 AM »
Hope that the authorities clamp down on this  bunch  of malcontents with an iron fist

China will get their way on HK. It is inevitable. The agreement signed by the Brits and Beijing was always in Beijing's favor. But to call the protesters malcontents is kind of weird. So they must submit to the heavy hand of the Communists like sheep to the slaughter?

And after 17 years living under Basic Law, as negotiated between the British and mainland China, they suddenly decide this isnt fair? How representative are these  protesters anyway?

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General Discussion / Re: Dana Seetahal murdered
« on: October 01, 2014, 04:38:33 PM »
I find the Express so disgusting for publishing the details of the will and exactly who getting what. Poor, poor taste. At least make it difficult for the criminals nah!

While I don't see the purpose of publishing it... yuh realize a will is a public document, right?

I know it's public, I just expected them to have some taste.

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General Discussion / Re: Dana Seetahal murdered
« on: October 01, 2014, 03:31:51 PM »
I find the Express so disgusting for publishing the details of the will and exactly who getting what. Poor, poor taste. At least make it difficult for the criminals nah!

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I find all this very suspicious but now they suddenly have a justification for all the armoured vehicles recently purchased.


No they don't...which roads in Trinidad, especially in Laventille, those vehicles fitting?


The justification doesn't have to be totally logical my friend. Its the PPG with Satnarayan Maharaj influencing government policies that we dealing with.

Was being facetious.

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I find all this very suspicious but now they suddenly have a justification for all the armoured vehicles recently purchased.


No they don't...which roads in Trinidad, especially in Laventille, those vehicles fitting?

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General Discussion / Huge new Israeli settlement in West Bank
« on: September 05, 2014, 07:44:14 PM »
British foreign secretary urges Israel to reverse decision to seize 990 acres of Palestinian land near Gvaot to create new city

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/01/israeli-settlement-west-bank-gvaot-condemned

Yup, that's their m/o. Every couple years, kill a few thousand Palestinians and then seize more of their land to build all-Jewish settlements.

Disgusting isn't even the word.

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Hmmm...

Quote
The CIA transported hundreds of Mujahideen Saudis and other foreign veterans of the 1980s Afghan war against the Soviets in Afghanistan into Chechnya to disrupt the struggling Russia in the early 1990s, particularly to sabotage the Russian oil pipeline running directly from Baku on the Caspian Sea into Russia.

Sounds like something similar will be taking place in Siberia...

From Siberia to Kaliningrad: the fledgling independence movements gaining traction in RussiaMoscow appears to have blocked efforts hold a march in favour of Siberian independence this weekend, but that doesn’t mean the sentiment isn’t spreading, writes Paul Goble


http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/15/russia-fledgling-independence-movements

Does this have anything to do with Russo-China agreement to build a gas pipeline to China through Siberia?

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General Discussion / Re: Ferguson, MO
« on: August 14, 2014, 05:48:22 PM »
So what's the latest on the killing itself?

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General Discussion / Re: Breaking News: Malaysian Airplane Shot Down!
« on: August 12, 2014, 10:06:16 PM »
Wait...how all this coverage boil down like bhaji so? I thought they had "conclusive evidence" that the plane was downed by the "pro-Russian separatists"?

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General Discussion / Re: When Genocide is Permissible ....
« on: August 08, 2014, 05:19:21 PM »
*sigh*

No-one if disputing that the Jews for a very long time were God's chosen people because of the promise made to Abraham - by your seed many will be blessed - prophecying the coming of the Messiah and the forgiveness of sins. However, when they Jews (not including the apostles and first disciples) rejected Jesus, God's kingdom was taken away from them as shown in Matthew (as well as those other scriptures) and gentiles were now included in those foretold blessings.

So NO, try as you might you cannot blame the Bible for what is happening today between Israel and Palestine so stop making yourself sound so unintelligent with your cheap and petty barbs.

Oh and I guess you know better than Ben Gurion what the basis for the declaration of the State of Israel was, right? He said it was the UN mandate, but of course you know better. Ok dude. Take win.

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General Discussion / Re: When Genocide is Permissible ....
« on: August 04, 2014, 07:40:06 PM »
Theodor Herzl - The father of Zionism, in his book - The Jewish State:

"The idea I have developed in this pamphlet is an ancient one: It is the restoration of the Jewish State ..."

"The decisive factor is our propelling force. And what is that force? The plight of the Jews. ... I am profoundly convinced that I am right, though I doubt whether I shall live to see myself proved so. Those who today inaugurate this movement are unlikely to live to see its glorious culmination. But the very inauguration is enough to inspire in them a high pride and the joy of an inner liberation of their existence ..."

"The plan would seem mad enough if a single individual were to undertake it; but if many Jews simultaneously agree on it, it is entirely reasonable, and its achievement presents no difficulties worth mentioning. The idea depends only on the number of its adherents. Perhaps our ambitious young men, to whom every road of advancement is now closed, and for whom the Jewish state throws open a bright prospect of freedom, happiness, and honor, perhaps they will see to it that this idea is spread ..."

"It depends on the Jews themselves whether this political document remains for the present a political romance. If this generation is too dull to understand it rightly, a future, finer, more advanced generation will arise to comprehend it. The Jews who will try it shall achieve their State; and they will deserve it ..."

"I consider the Jewish question neither a social nor a religious one, even though it sometimes takes these and other forms. It is a national question, and to solve it we must first of all establish it as an international political problem to be discussed and settled by the civilized nations of the world in council.

"We are a people—one people.

"We have sincerely tried everywhere to merge with the national communities in which we live, seeking only to preserve the faith of our fathers. It is not permitted us. In vain are we loyal patriots, sometimes superloyal; in vain do we make the same sacrifices of life and property as our fellow citizens; in vain do we strive to enhance the fame of our native lands in the arts and sciences, or her wealth by trade and commerce. In our native lands where we have lived for centuries we are still decried as aliens, often by men whose ancestors had not yet come at a time when Jewish sighs had long been heard in the country ..."

"Oppression and persecution cannot exterminate us. No nation on earth has endured such struggles and sufferings as we have. Jew-baiting has merely winnowed out our weaklings; the strong among us defiantly return to their own whenever persecution breaks out ..."

"Wherever we remain politically secure for any length of time, we assimilate. I think this is not praiseworthy ..."

"Israel is our unforgettable historic homeland ..."

"Let me repeat once more my opening words: The Jews who will it shall achieve their State. We shall live at last as free men on our own soil, and in our own homes peacefully die. The world will be liberated by our freedom, enriched by our wealth, magnified by our greatness. And whatever we attempt there for our own benefit will redound mightily and beneficially to the good of all mankind."


It is of note that little mention was made of religion except to say that the Jewish question was not a question of religion. This added to clear opposition Zionists received by the established Jewry who considered their objectives as a rebellion against God makes it clear that the establishment of the State of Israel had little to do with what is written in the Torah (or Bible).

Funny that you would mention Romans and Acts (without quoting the exact scriptures I might add) - when these books (and others) of the Bible directly contradict your claims. And then you have the audacity to tell me I never read the Bible? Have YOU? lol

The prophet Hosea foretold the rejection of natural Israel in place of the spiritual Israel which included gentiles.

Hosea 2:23 I will sow her like seed for myself in the earth, And I will show mercy to her who was not shown mercy; I will say to those not my people:* “You are my people,”And they will say: “You are my God.”’”

Romans 9:22-25 What, then, if God had the will to demonstrate his wrath and to make his power known, and he tolerated with much patience vessels of wrath made fit for destruction? 23 And if this was done to make known the riches of his glory on vessels of mercy, which he prepared beforehand for glory, 24 namely, us, whom he called not only from among Jews but also from among nations, what of it? 25 It is as he says also in Ho·se′a: “Those not my people I will call ‘my people,’ and her who was not loved, ‘beloved’;

Matt 21:43
This is why I say to you, the Kingdom of God will be taken from you and be given to a nation producing its fruits.

Isa 10:21-22
Only a remnant will return, The remnant of Jacob, to the Mighty God. For though your people, O Israel,
Are as the grains of sand of the sea, Only a remnant of them will return. An extermination has been decided on, And justice* will engulf them.


Rom 9:27
Moreover, Isaiah cries out concerning Israel: “Although the number of the sons of Israel may be as the sand of the sea, only the remnant will be saved.

Rom 11:17-24
However, if some of the branches were broken off and you, although being a wild olive, were grafted in among them and became a sharer of the richness of the olive’s root, 18 do not be arrogant toward* the branches. If, though, you are arrogant toward* them, remember that it is not you who bears the root, but the root bears you. 19 You will say, then: “Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in.” 20 That is true! For their lack of faith, they were broken off, but you are standing by faith. Do not be haughty, but be in fear. 21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, neither will he spare you. 22 Consider, therefore, God’s kindness and severity. There is severity toward those who fell, but toward you there is God’s kindness, provided you remain in his kindness; otherwise, you too will be lopped off. And they also, if they do not remain in their lack of faith, will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them back in. 24 For if you were cut out of the olive tree that is wild by nature and were grafted contrary to nature into the garden olive tree, how much more will these who are natural branches be grafted back into their own olive tree!

Gal 3:28, 29
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor freeman, there is neither male nor female, for you are all one in union with Christ Jesus. 29 Moreover, if you belong to Christ, you are really Abraham’s offspring, heirs with reference to a promise.

Rom 9:6
However, it is not as though the word of God has failed. For not all who descend from Israel are really “Israel.”

Rom 2:28,29
For he is not a Jew who is one on the outside, nor is circumcision something on the outside, on the flesh. 29 But he is a Jew who is one on the inside, and his circumcision is that of the heart by spirit and not by a written code. That person’s praise comes from God, not from people.

Acts 15:14
Sym′e·on has related thoroughly how God for the first time turned his attention to the nations to take out of them a people for his name.

1Pet 2:10
For you were once not a people, but now you are God’s people; once you had not been shown mercy, but now you have received mercy


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General Discussion / Re: When Genocide is Permissible ....
« on: August 04, 2014, 03:49:53 PM »
 :rotfl: Fortunately for you, I am at work and responding from my mobile phone. But maybe I'll respond later. And fyi...I don't have a priest or a pastor, and I assure you, I know much more about the Bible than you do. Lol @ you referencing Romans and Acts. Can't wait. ..

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General Discussion / Re: When Genocide is Permissible ....
« on: August 04, 2014, 02:17:03 PM »
Dude, please stop talking nonsense. I guess you're so focused on making cheap digs at "religion" that it blinds you to certain facts - that's the only reason you can say schupidness like the above. If you really believe that Israel's support and political clout comes from right-wing Christian groups and not AIPAC, then you are a fool.

I won't even bother to address (and prove wrong) the bollocks you wrote about what the "God of the Bible" says. Clearly you can add nothing meaningful to the Israel-Palestine issue.

Toppa, you're being incredibly defensive, possibly you're not a follower of American politics. Since you care not what I say I suggest you go research it - clearly AIPAC are a major player as I've noted in the past, but Right-wing Christians are at teh forefront of promoting Israeli interest and I'm surprised this isn't common knowledge.

Again, if you haven't read your bible it's not as if I can make you - I suggest you take your obligations a bit more seriously.


Why would I be defensive? I am not a right wing Christian, whatever that means. Your ignorance is just a little tiresome.

Toppa I encourage you to do some fact-checking before you claim ignorance on my part. Go ahead, the internet never sleeps :p

Umm you are ignorant, especially when it comes to matters of the Bible or religious scriptures, like the nonsense you were talking in the other thread regarding the creation of the state of Israel. Israel was set up as a secular state on the power of the UN mandate. There was not even any mention of "God".


The book Great Moments in Jewish History says this of the final text: “Even at 1:00 P.M. when the National Council met, its members could not agree about the wording of the proclamation of statehood. . . . Observant Jews wanted a reference to ‘the God of Israel.’ Secularists balked. Compromising, Ben-Gurion decided that the word ‘Rock’ would appear instead of ‘God.’”

In fact, as I showed you when you wrote that nonsense in the other thread, Jews who observe the commands of the Torah reject the notion of a Jewish state, claiming that it goes against what is written in the Torah. So you clearly don't know as much as you think you do. Stop being clever by half.

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