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Football / Re: Sancho launches Central FC
« on: August 18, 2012, 07:13:53 PM »
...FS, it's not a question of me liking or not liking Central, Sancho, you or anybody else. My critique is based on a desire for professional standards. Men here could talk all they want and say what they want about me. They don't even know me and I couldn't care less. Good luck to Central...

Football / Re: Sancho launches Central FC
« on: August 18, 2012, 04:41:54 PM »
..."personal attack" you say? Methinks the lady doth protest too much...

Is FC Santa Rosa in the Pro League?  Is that not one of it's aspirations... or allyuh happy in de so-called 'Super League'?  If the answer is "no, we would like to get to the Pro League"... then my question is valid.  Why haven't you?  This is what I meant by my question, which you interpreted as a "personal attack".  You've now gone on ad nauseaum about why Central FC shouldn't be allowed in the Pro League because of slip shod procedures etc.

...Your words Bakes boy, not mine. And your "logic" is hilarious. By your yardstick Central is doing "better" than FC Santa Rosa simply because they have applied to join the "Pro" League...and they ain't have no players, no history, no titles, nutten. In fact, they ain't even kick a ball yet!!  TTD 400'000 to REGISTER to play in a "professional" league that includes men playing for TTD one and two thousand a month and which struggles to pay prize money? You should pick that up and forget me! :rotfl: :rotfl:...OK pal. OK...Good luck to Central. Nothing against Sancho, I mean that. It's all about the lack of professional standards in the "Pro" league. Now, have the last word if you want it...

Football / Re: Sancho launches Central FC
« on: August 18, 2012, 03:06:48 PM »
Bakes, Bakes, no need to come unglued man. Take it easy. LOL...All it takes is a question to the try-out attendees: "Are you now registered with another TTFF club?" See, that takes all of three seconds...

And you also ain't responding to my brief synopsis re: FC Santa Rosa pal...

Football / Re: Sancho launches Central FC
« on: August 18, 2012, 03:05:11 PM »
...Let's be clear. I never said Central should not be admitted to the "Pro" League. Find the quote where I do so and I will eat my words.

The TT "Pro" League is arbitrary in its operation, is on life support, and has been holding on for years. I will not discuss FC Santa Rosa's ambitions but it is clear that this league bumps from crisis to crisis and is highly unstable. Witness, Ma Pau, Southend, Starworld, Khelwaas, Fire, Tobago United, etc...Without the State teams and State support, such as it is, the league would have died of natural causes some time ago. Your argument about being "flexible" (and FS' argument for a "don't ask, don't tell" policy to recruitment) make perfect camouflage for a variety of ills and "mis-deeds" in local football. Nothing personal but I feel allyuh like the thing just so as long as allyuh could benefit from it. LOL...

The Super League, by contrast, is a league of community-based clubs. An average Super League match draws more spectators than a "Pro" League match because of this (Super Fridays being the exception, when great expense and effort are put into the event by the League - not the clubs). Let me tell you this, if I had TTD 2.5 million to invest in local football, it wouldn't be for a season in the "Pro" League. Witness the miserable saga of San Juan Jabloteh. Better to spend it on development of the grassroots game, players' personal development, community, social and educational development, infrastructure development. After spending many tens of millions Jabloteh, and the other "Pro" League clubs don't even have a training field to call their own and all their players gone.

In any event, good luck to Central and the "Pro" League, yes. There is no difference of opinion possible in TnT without personal objectives being ascribed to an opposing point of view, and without people being subjected to venom and abuse. Whatever, man...

Football / Re: Sancho launches Central FC
« on: August 18, 2012, 02:40:36 PM »
...Ahhh, I see. Don't ask, don't tell. Right?. Well, sorry, but I believe a responsible (potential) employer checks for relevant information - like: What's your resume? Do you currently work (play) else where? Are you available to work (play) with us? These should be the FIRST questions to be asked. And coaching regime has little, if anything, to do with it. If you offer money - men coming running. Sorry...

Football / Re: Sancho launches Central FC
« on: August 18, 2012, 02:18:19 PM »
"...The problem is that you coming off like yuh have an axe to grind against Central FC.  If you have all the answers then why isn't FC Santa Rosa doing better under your hand?"...

That's a response that clouds an issue and blocks progress. Is there anything I have said in terms of proper procedure and standards that is incorrect? This is nothing to do with personalities or politics. But this IS "sweet TnT", where so many people can't separate issues and move at warp speed from discussing an issue to personal attack.

That said, FC Santa Rosa is a club of twenty years standing (1992-2012). One of only two Super League clubs to field a team in all three youth divisions of the Super League competition, (Joe Public FC being the other), in 2012 Santa Rosa finished 2nd in the Under 14 division, 3rd in the Under 16 and joint first in the Under 18 (the final was never played). The club has fielded a senior team only since 2010 when a men's team was formed from its 2009 Super League Under 17 title-winning team and entered in the Eastern FA's first division. This team duly won the competition and was promoted to the EFA's premier division, which the team won in 2011, along with promotion to the 2012 Super League. In other words, the club moved from youth football to Super League membership in two seasons (2010-2011). This is unheard of. Indeed, so many clubs have attempted repeatedly over the years to move from regional football to the Super League. Santa Rosa achieved this in its first Champion of Champions tournament. Note well, the club currently sits fifth in the 12-team standings ahead of tomorrow's round of matches.

FC Santa Rosa also runs a football school for players aged six to seventeen, and has a community outreach programme, a social development programme for players and their family members, and works with young offenders. Currently, Santa Rosa provides the captain of the national Under 20 team, Duane Muckette, who plays with the club's senior team, and the second leading scorer of the national Under 17 team in the recently-concluded CFU qualifying tournament, Kishun Seecharan. Note well, Muckette joined the club at six, and Seecharan at age ten.

FYI, Santa Rosa has a very current website (www.1stfcsantarosa.com) and facebook page (1.fc santa rosa). Maybe you should look them up. The club has formed several partnerships with commercial entities. Again, check the website. Finally, over the twenty years Santa Rosa has facilitated in-numerable foreign scholarships for young players, to both high school and university. Indeed, Santa Rosa may be the only club in TnT to offer an annual challenge trophy for "Student-Player of the Year". Many of the young men involved in this programme have returned to TnT with their degree(s) to contribute to society and the club.

Clearly, none of this SUCCESS would be possible in the absence of an effective organizational structure and dedicated personnel. I don't understand your question about Santa Rosa's performance, therefore. The yard stick you use falls short by some measure. See how much I know about Santa Rosa? You should try to follow football. So let me repeat - this has NOTHING to do with like or dislike for Sancho or anyone else. You should not express dodgy opinions and not ask irrelevant questions...

Football / Re: Sancho launches Central FC
« on: August 18, 2012, 01:36:38 PM »
..."Great outline of the malady. How do you propose treating it generally? And, how have you addressed the issue with respect to your club?"...

...For starters: 1) Contracts for non-amateur/professional players that all parties must respect, 2) Enforcement of same by all leagues and TTFF, including standardized transfer and registration deadlines, guidelines for approach to contracted players and penalties for broaching of same, 3) Mandatory payment of a development fee for Under 23 players, according to FIFA guidelines, which is something the TTFF and the "Pro" league have consistently refused to enact. But the TTFF don't care and the "Pro" League clubs have no desire to "self-police" their predatory behaviour. They are just as dis-organized as the TTFF but fly "under the radar" of public criticism because people generally want the concept of full-time professional football in TnT to succeed, which BTW, it can't...

Football / Re: Sancho launches Central FC
« on: August 18, 2012, 12:58:16 PM »
..."Hear yuh President. But why name Central FC and refrain from naming the other "poaching" club? Not that you should name any!
Professionalism in T&T like anywhere else will be as good as the enforcement of checks and balances. . .

No need to. This thread is about Central but ALL the "Pro" League clubs do it. So what? If nobody enforces the right thing then we could ignore someone doing the wrong? Right and wrong are not matters of convenience. If you in favour of Sancho forming a team at the drop of a hat that's fine. But that doesn't mean that you should ignore professional ethics and practice..

Football / Re: Sancho launches Central FC
« on: August 18, 2012, 11:23:15 AM »
...Professionalism is an approach to an activity that requires, among other things, the observance of a code of ethics and conduct. Central FC is approaching players who are signed to other TTFF clubs, in particular Super League clubs, without even requesting permission the permission of said clubs to speak to said players. Right now, Sancho's side (and another "Pro" League side I will not name now) have Westside Superstarz FC under pressure for fear of losing half their side. Simba Aberdeen is a registered FC Santa Rosa player. That's called "poaching". That's illegal under FIFA statutes and discourteous by any standard. It's a jungle out here! Anything goes as long as you have the money to back it up.

But this is consistent with the behaviour of "Pro" League clubs, which have done as much for years. For all the "ole talk", that league operates like a minor league. Witness, the flurry of activity concerning Central's application mere days before the league kicks off. Indeed, any good minor league has a deadline for applications.

Of course, the players involved are hardly blameless. They are registered with one team and talking to and trying out with another. "Professional" football indeed...

Football / Re: Sancho launches Central FC
« on: August 17, 2012, 11:48:40 AM »
.."Let's us hope the financiers are looking to the long run and not the short term. If the backer is PP, there is nothing we can do about. Lets hope he has the interest of football at heart. His political affilition is irrelevant because we can't do anything about that. Well, except Renraw. Exceptional to the rule"....

 :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: I love it...

Football / Re: Sancho launches Central FC
« on: August 14, 2012, 07:57:14 PM »
Here are Rix's stats

Team            Nation        From                            To                            Record
                                                                                                        G    W    L    D    Win %
Chelsea            England    13 September 2000    17 September 2000    1    1    0    0    100.00
Portsmouth    England    25 February 2001    25 March 2002            56    16    23    17    28.57
Oxford United    England    22 March 2004            14 November 2004    29    6    15    8    20.68
Hearts            Scotland    8 November 2005    22 March 2006            19    9    4    6    47.36

Logically excepting the Chelsea stint (?) of one match, that's a 32.20 % win average...

Football / Re: Sancho launches Central FC
« on: August 08, 2012, 10:53:13 AM »
..."It is believed the TTFF do not have any control over the Pro League but they sure do have a lot of influense in what ever they do,all the administrators from the Pro league are involved in some way with the TTFF,to set up their fixtures it's based on the TTFF schdule,if the TTFF say no games they can't play,all the our national team players,coaches,trainers etc etc come from the Pro league how can we say the TTFF don't have any control over the Pro league. Does the Pro league control their own finances?do they have to be affiliated to the TTFF to function?do they have to be affiliated to FIFA,CFU,CONCACAF in order for their clubs to play in the different tournaments?it's a lot more than what we think,this is not Minor League Football."...   

...Coops you wrong on this one. The TT "Pro" League controls its own finances, such as they are. The TTFF does not dictate TTPL fixtures. Indeed, the TTFF doesn't have a serious annual calendar and there is usually some turf conflict over this. The TTPL doesn't have a seat on the TTFF executive committee and, vice versa, the TTFF doesn't have a place on the TTPL board of directors, which comprises one representative of each member club. The "Pro" League has always been entirely autonomous of the TTFF and under the control of its member clubs - except when they needed Jack Warner's financial input over the years. But that is another topic...

Football / Re: Sancho launches Central FC
« on: August 08, 2012, 04:46:59 AM »
..."President, election over yuh tune well change"....

...I don't understand? How so? LOL...

Football / Re: Sancho launches Central FC
« on: August 07, 2012, 08:41:25 PM »
..."Yes, any team can join the league. Just like if I knocked on the MLS door with US$100 million, and a team called Minnesota Muff Divers they would let me in. The only way to change this is to become part of it and change it from the inside"...

...That is entirely incorrect. One cannot just join the MLS or any truly professional league. Recently, the revived New York Cosmos attempted that with no success. The MLS has an extension plan that requires clubs selected for inclusion to demonstrate a capacity to meet league requirements over a period of years. And BTW, everybody should now go join the TTFF and change it from the inside...

Football / Re: Sancho launches Central FC
« on: August 07, 2012, 08:09:29 PM »
...But the TTFF does not control the TT "Pro" League. It is autonomous and can organize and govern itself in any way it sees fit as long as it does not contravene the law of the land or FIFA. If they in a mess the TTFF cannot be blamed. Indeed, Jack Warner has propped up many a TTPL club and club president over the years - some of them who also lead the chorus against the TTFF. Games! If the "Pro" League has few standards other than a a demand for a handful of cash - THEY are the party to be blamed...

Football / Re: Sancho launches Central FC
« on: August 07, 2012, 07:54:41 PM »
...Listen to Coops: "what i'm trying to understand here is,this league in operation 10 plus yrs,isn't there some criteria or system in place for teams wanting to join the Pro league? How teams who already there got in?how teams who already there stays in?how teams who was there left? I am sure everybody associated with Pro league Football  knows how to get in the Pro League,i can't undersatnd what the problem is. In a nutschell from what i understand is once you have the money you can get in the League"...

Bring your cash and come. THAT is the ONLY criterion for entry. Over the years we have seen teams come last for donkey years and remain in membership. Teams pulling in a school or some youth side to masquerade as their "development programme". Teams wet their foot and jump in for a year or two and then disappear. I could go on. Nothing personal - but this is glorified minor league business and the "Pro" League is grasping at a straw here, the professional consequences be damned. I repeat this could never happen in MLS, Central America, or anywhere football is taken seriously. Coops - you right...

Football / Re: Sancho launches Central FC
« on: July 27, 2012, 05:23:16 AM »
...FS, with due respect, you make a very good theoretical argument that TTFF supporters could readily use - "Da is de system we have so leh we doh rock de boat. Jest go with the flow". 
No club should be accepted into any league days prior to kick-off because they have - A PLAN! Remember, the big noise about Queen's Park FC? We know how that went. Given what I have read in the press, Central FC has a coach and an assistant coach. Nada mas. And on that basis they wish to be, and probably will be, accepted into a "professional" league?
You have it all wrong my friend. What will convince any potential commercial partner to join forces with any club is not marketing plans and strategic plans. It's success on the field and a meaningful fan base. I am tired of hearing about the plans and plans and plans of the TTPL and its clubs. Remember KFC Memphis? They were among the very first local clubs to have a "big" sponsor. They didn't have a marketing plan, strategic plan, PR plan, or any kind of plan. They just won matches and Arima went with them.
But back to the central issue. The TTPL is on life support and cannot be taken seriously. The member clubs are not truly interested in a PROFESSIONAL approach. How many of them try to sell a ticket? How many of them are looking to develop a viable home venue? How many of them look to sell club merchandise? How many of them are looking to sell a player abroad for meaningful money?
The top just keeps spinning in the mud...

Football / Re: Sancho launches Central FC
« on: July 26, 2012, 12:13:52 PM »
...Not one comment on this development addresses the fact that in a "professional" league someone could just announce a new team days prior to the new season beginning and have every chance of being accepted. If the TTFF ran the Super League like that every soca warriors online member would condemn them for running slip-shod operation. TTFF again!
How could the TT Pro League be taken seriously when the only requirement for entry is cash in hand. Nothing about established organization and structure. No need to demonstrate footballing merit or to qualify. Indeed, you ain't even bound to have staff and players yet. BUT, this new team will be welcomed with open arms by a "professional" league that is desperate for the oxygen of fresh cash and new members. We say it all the time but ONLY in sweet TNT. This could never happen in MLS, Central America or anywhere they take football seriously...

Football / Re: Passing of David Cumberbatch
« on: March 22, 2012, 11:07:17 AM »
...Who are you that I should answer to you? Continue typing while others actually WORK to improve the local game and to develop young people...Last word to you...Over and out...

...Truetrini, I don't know where your hostility is coming from but it sounds carcinogenic. I merely offered a comment in support of Flex's observation regarding David Cumberbatch's funeral service. I was there. Were you? Next thing you want me to answer your irrelevant questions and get all self-righteous and abusive? LOL...do your thing man. Save football from behind your laptop...

Football / Re: Passing of David Cumberbatch
« on: March 22, 2012, 05:38:58 AM »
...Errrrr, what? What does Jack Warner have to do with my comment? Did you ask Flex that silly question? Was my validation of Flex's comment incorrect or improper? Is it that anyone who criticizes the TTFF from an objective standpoint has been "done" something by Jack Warner? Is it that everybody has a personal, selfish agenda when they make a point? Why are so many people are so obsessed with their version of the little picture?...

Football / Re: Passing of David Cumberbatch
« on: March 21, 2012, 08:28:20 AM »
..Correct observation Flex. David was attached to many a national football team since the 1990s and was an excellent team member. The funeral ceremony was attended by many football people, but the absence of the TTFF hierarchy was further evidence that the characters who run football don't care about people and their contribution, to the sport...as if we need any more...

...No offence, but isn't there a glaring contradiction in a member club of a league which includes the word "Development" in its name signing a near-forty-year old player?...

« on: February 16, 2012, 08:25:38 AM »
..."Keep black people out of this?" That is a puerile reading of my comment. Why do you think the administration of FIFA (and for that matter, CONCACAF) are almost lily white? Of course black people aren't all corrupt. And I follow international developments - in and out of football - just like you so I don't need a condescending lecture about what is happening elsewhere. You talk from your ivory tower because you never had to face the dripping contempt from the international football hierarchy every day. Ask anyone who does. The attitude IS that black people can't do anything right...We have been independent for 50 years and still need Gibbs, FIFA, etc?...Shame...

« on: February 16, 2012, 08:19:18 AM »
...The entire executive committee of the TTFF should do the honourable thing and fall on ts collective sword - RESIGN! The TTFF Constitution should be suspended pending review; an interim committee should be appointed by an assembly of TTFF clubs, in consultation with CONCACAF and FIFA, to run the Federation's affairs and to organize elections within an agreed time. The worst aspect of this entire debacle is that it is a self-fulfilling prophecy. It makes Caribbean - and black - people look we all are incompetent, corrupt, and shamelessly greedy. It is disgraceful that we would have to resort to assistance from external parties to order our affairs but it has come to this...

Football / Re: TTFF employees face breadline.
« on: February 11, 2012, 10:05:45 AM »
...That's a daft opinion. The workers are not to blame for the TTFF clique's disgraceful mismanagement. Are you to be held responsible for what your bosses do?...

Football / Re: Eve: Give equal opportunity to Olympic footballers.
« on: February 10, 2012, 05:09:49 PM »
...When the TTFF clique removed Eve from the Under-23 team people stood up and forced the TTFF to reverse the decision. When the Under-23 team manager, Norris Ferguson, was removed (victimised) for supporting Look Loy against Watson, Eve said it was not his job to tell the TTFF who to appoint. Now he bawling because "his" team might not have funding to go to the CONCACAF final tournament. TOO MANY PEOPLE ONLY CONCERNED WITH HOW THEY MAKING OUT...

Football / Re: Jack Warner on I95.5 fm right now....
« on: February 10, 2012, 07:58:36 AM »
..."Poor TTFF", you say? These men sat there - for years, not just in 2006 - and allowed all kinds of business to be conducted behind their collective back, never asked a question and didn't care to, and now it's "poor TTFF"? There was no collective decision-making but there is certainly collective responsibility...

Football / Re: TTFF tries to divorce its past
« on: February 10, 2012, 07:41:45 AM »
...After clamouring for their collective head, Watson and Company were preferred by a 2:1 majority of the Eastern FA clubs to the opposition led by Look Loy in the late 2011 fight for democracy in that zone. People are now hoping for intervention by FIFA - we Trinis always look for a saviour; its easier than saving ourselves - but in the final analysis, no matter who FIFA appoints to any Normalization Committee, it will always come down to an election for a permanent, new, leadership. Even if the mandate of said Normalization Committee included introducing new statutes for the TTFF, it is the CLUBS that will have the final say. Would they be prepared to break with the past and to strike out on a new course? This is not a matter of having new faces fill the void. It is a question of grassroots democracy, guided by the clubs that comprise the TnT football. Time will tell...

Football / Re: Soca Warriors seize TTFF assets
« on: February 08, 2012, 07:14:46 PM »
...I repeat, the TTFF doesn't own its office nor anything of real value...

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