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Football / Re: Sunderland Forever Thread.
« on: September 07, 2010, 11:42:06 PM »
I honestly not sold on Gyan as a finisher although I very willing to be proven wrong.

The man was the throw-way king in 2006.. In South Africa all his goals was penalties except one brilliant finish against the USA. He only score like 14 goals for Rennes in the French League which was a step down from Udinese in Serie A where he didnt exactly light up the scoring charts there either.

Would love to see him do well and he would probably be a good foil for Bent, but dont expect him to give far and above what Kenwyne was able to give to Sunderland.

But anyway, lewwe see how it go..

I completely agree.  Gyan did score Ghana’s first goal in the  WC in 2006; he was picked out on a nice pass from Appiah.   But looking at his movements with the ball and dribbling ability etc, he is not exceptional. But at this moment Sunderland badly needs another  striker (as their manager has said), and without one the probability of going down is very high.

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Football / Re: The Stoke City Forever Thread
« on: September 07, 2010, 11:27:58 PM »

Gudjohnsen is a very good signing for Stoke

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Football / Re: Congrats to Palos on his nuptials
« on: September 07, 2010, 11:22:55 PM »

Congratulations, Congratulations, Palos!  Wishing you lots of luck and happiness!

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The Ghana team in 2006 was stronger than the present team. The way the 2006 team beat Chech, after Czechoslovakia had run over the US ... one of the best games back then.  The present 2008 team  really lack strikers, but it is possible to pull out a win against Uruguay. Wishing the Black Stars all the luck.

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How come when the retiring Henri came on the field, France looked more lively and dangerous?

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2010 World Cup - South Africa / Re: Thread for England vs USA
« on: June 11, 2010, 07:07:09 PM »

One of the greatest upsets in sports history was the US defeat of England in the 1950 World Cup, and the hero of the story was the Haitian Joe Gaetjens.  A version of the story is attached below.  Jozy Altidore has been playing very good ball for Hull, and  before his recent injury, I thought that he could shine at this world.  Still hoping that the soccer gods smile on him!

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A little story about:
Joe Gaetjens

The "american" who scored the goal against England in the 1950 World Cup for USA.
 

The following story is made by:
By Patricia Zengerle
Reuters
 

Haitian made U.S. sport history, vanished in prison

MIAMI, April 28, 1998
- As U.S. soccer players prepare for this summer's World Cup, they may spare a thought for a little-known Haitian who scored a goal nearly 50 years ago that gave them what is still their greatest victory ever.

Soccer has soared in popularity in the United States since those days, but
its hero, Joe Gaetjens, was destined for a tragic end in a dictator's dungeon in his homeland. On June 29, 1950, 39 minutes into what was supposed to have been England's World Cup blowout of the United States, Gaetjens dove an estimated 12 feet (4 metres) to strike a shot from teammate Walter Bahr with his head, changing its direction enough to catch English goalkeeper Bert Williams wrongfooted.

Gaetjens did not see the result of his header -- his headlong leap left him
lying face down in the turf at Brazil's Belo Horizonte stadium -- but it got
past Williams and gave the Americans a 1-0 lead over the team that had been the world leader of the sport. The slim lead held up, to the raucous delight of 30,000 Brazilians packing the stadium. At the end, the English team congratulated the Americans as spectators carried Gaetjens and his teammates shoulder-high. "It was a big upset. We knew it was an upset. Of course we were excited about it," Bahr told Reuters in a telephone interview, recalling that day nearly 48 years ago. "Things went our way, and in the run of play they (the English) should have won the game, (but) they didn't score. As the game went on, we got a little bit better and they got a little bit more panicky. Nine times out of 10 they would have beaten us. But that game was our game."

GREATEST WORLD CUP UPSET OF ALL TIME
The game would be considered the greatest World Cup soccer upset of all
time. The English side included greats such as Tom Finney and Billy Wright
and was expected to beat the U.S. eleven by at least seven goals. Only one American player, halfback Ed McIlenny, was a full-time professional. The others were semipros -- Gaetjens an accounting student and dishwasher, Bahr a teacher, and goalie Frank Borghi a hearse driver for his uncle's funeral home.

The team had lost to Italy 9-0, Northern Ireland 5-0 and Scotland 4-0 before
the World Cup. When the first teleprinter reports on the game's outcome
reached London editors threw them out, assuming it was a misprint for a 10-1 English victory.

"Before World War II, England was the unquestioned leader of the sport in
the world. This game might have been said to be the first nail in the coffin
of that superiority," said Roger Allaway, president of the Society for
American Soccer History. But the victory, which coincided with the U.S. entry into the Korea War, went almost unnoticed in the United States. The Americans did not return to play in the World Cup until 1990.

Gaetjens, playing as an American under the era's loose eligibility rules,
never became a U.S. citizen and was virtually forgotten in the United
States. In Britain, an erroneous press report called him "Larry" Gaetjens,
and he remains misnamed in many record books.

RETURNED TO HAITI IN 1954
He played in France for the first division Paris Racing Club after the World
Cup, returning to Haiti in 1954 to run a dry cleaning business, play weekend
soccer and coach youth teams, Jean-Pierre Gaetjens, his younger brother,
said. "He was still active and well-known in the sport area in Haiti," Gaetjens told Reuters. "Joe is the kind of person that he arrived in a group of people talking, they've never seen him before, and after 10 minutes it looks like he had been friends with them for the past 20 years."

Joe Gaetjens was not political but his family worked for Louis Dejoie, a
rival to Haitian dictator Francois "Papa Doc" Duvalier in his 1957 run for
the presidency. Gaetjens' mother and a brother were arrested after
Duvalier's victory and most of the family fled the country. But Joe stayed in Haiti, said his brother, who now lives in Spain. "Joe did not care much about the politics and things like that," Jean-Pierre Gaetjens said.

Other members of the family campaigned outside of Haiti against Duvalier,
who made himself president for life in 1964. The last time Joe Gaetjens was seen by any friend or relative was on July 8, 1964, when he was arrested at work by Duvalier's gangster militia, the Tonton Macoute, which his family considered retaliation for their political activism.

"When he arrived, they rushed to his car, put a gun on his head, got in his
car and drove to ... the Port-au-Prince police station," Jean-Pierre
Gaetjens said. "His wife, who lives in Florida now, received the
authorization to get the car three or four days after ... and from there we
have no trace from him." Gaetjens' family tried for years to determine his fate but heard nothing from Haiti or from U.S. officials they asked to intercede. But Jean-Pierre Gaetjens returned to Haiti after Duvalier's son, Jean-Claude, fell from power in 1986 and met a man who had been at the notorious Fort Dimanche prison with his brother but was transferred shortly afterward.

"Three or four days later one of the prison guards told him ... you were
lucky because last night they had killed everybody at Fort Dimanche,"
Gaetjens said. "That's when, we think, that he must have been killed, around mid-July. But we never knew. They had destroyed any evidence on everybody that was killed at the time under Duvalier, they burned or destroyed everything."

Some did not forget Joe Gaetjens. He was honored at a New York Cosmos game in 1972 and enshrined in the U.S. Soccer Hall of Fame in 1976, the same year the Organization of American States condemned Haiti's government for his arrest.

Last year, Haiti authorized the issue of a stamp in his honor. Jean-Pierre
Gaetjens, who continues to campaign so his brother will be more widely
remembered, described his joy during a visit to Belo Horizonte in April when he was featured in the local newspaper and met people who remembered the game. "I was overwhelmed," he said.


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Football / Re: Sunderland Forever Thread.
« on: May 12, 2010, 01:04:44 AM »
2-1 Wolves, 2 men sent off finished with 9 on the pitch.

More weird subs, formations and yes had Kenwyne at CB, bet Da Silva is pleased with that.


See my post above re bruce ???
This team really grew on me, and like the passion the fans display towards this team, it's ah real diehard fighting never get weary attitude that i wish TNT ppl had towards the game, but unfortunately not the case.

i'm also greatful to the club for the opportunities given to our boys by quin and keane @ top flight foot ball, especially one of my favorite local players kenwyne jones, but i don't know if i could support this team with bruce @ the helm! this man is as clueless as ricky sbrasia/ spraja or what ever his name is.

Ditto. I agree with you about the fans and the general spirit of Sunderland. I have grown to like the team.   I have seen all the Sunderland games that were available on FSC.  Not sure that Bruce is all that bad. 

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Football / Re: Sunderland Forever Thread.
« on: April 03, 2010, 09:46:18 AM »
Oh what a goal for by Zenden.  I did not like that sinking feeling at 2-1, and with Jones miss.

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Football / Re: Thread for the U-20 T&T vs Italy Game (28-Sept-2009).
« on: September 28, 2009, 12:09:49 PM »
YES YES YES

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Football / Re: Thread for the U-20 T&T vs Italy Game (28-Sept-2009).
« on: September 28, 2009, 12:06:27 PM »

T&T can win this game!!!

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Football / Re: Thread for the U-20 T&T vs Egypt Game (24-Sept-2009).
« on: September 24, 2009, 01:33:35 PM »
At least one more goal for T&T coming.   Will be from a cross by Thompson on the right or he might take it in himself.


NEVER GIVE UP

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Football / Re: Thread for the U-20 T&T vs Egypt Game (24-Sept-2009).
« on: September 24, 2009, 12:42:06 PM »
The team looks good: good passing, etc

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Football / Re: Thread for the T&T vs Mexico Game (10-Jun-2009).
« on: June 10, 2009, 09:20:39 PM »
Somehow it is good to see G. Blanco playing good ball against T&T after what he has been through.

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Football / Re: Thread for the T&T vs Mexico Game (10-Jun-2009).
« on: June 10, 2009, 09:06:09 PM »
Birchall playing decent ball.

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Football / Re: Thread for the T&T vs Mexico Game (10-Jun-2009).
« on: June 10, 2009, 08:54:59 PM »
M. Andrews should not be on the field.  The man is too slow and the Mexs are running all over him.

T&T can win this game! Mex midfield  is not that strong.

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Football / Re: Thread for the T&T vs Mexico Game (10-Jun-2009).
« on: June 10, 2009, 08:46:53 PM »
It was not Yorke who ducked.  It was Dog  who did not jump.

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Football / Re: Trinis in Action (Oct 04, 2008)
« on: October 05, 2008, 06:37:47 PM »
how did yorkie play today?
Ah guess dwighty put in ah good shift today.  read  http://www.readytogo.net/smb/showthread.php?t=357875


Yorke played simple, basic and solid football today: the quick ball on the ground pass  here; a clean tackle at the right time; a long pass forward to the open man.  In some ways he is playing more like Makalele  these days.  And in some ways I am still surprised by how effective that style of play is.   He did not find himself in the opponents 24 yard box, or close to it, but we know that Yorke plays according to instructions.  Sunderland’s approach today was very effective.  Arsenal just could not get their intricate quick-passing game together, and there was not much of the  free flowing arsenal  football.

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Football / Re: TFA round-up 2008
« on: October 05, 2008, 06:19:13 PM »
Thanks  for the update, and keep the news coming.  I heard that Charlotteville and Roxborough are in the finals today at 5  at the Stadium and Black Rock and Hills playing for third place.


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Football / Re: MAN CITY VS L POOL
« on: October 05, 2008, 06:07:09 PM »
Liverpool seems to have changed their style of play, today they looked a lot more like arsenal.  I am not a Liverpool fan, but give credit where credit is due they deserved the comeback if not the win. 
 Shaun Wright-Phillips is really in his element at  Man-City. Robinho needs to help out on defense a little more.

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Another fine report, thank you  very much.

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Other Sports / Re: Tiger Woods Watch in 2008
« on: June 22, 2008, 04:14:31 PM »
It is always sad to see a great athlete take time off due to injury, but in so many ways that is the nature of sport.

Woods display on Saturday was awesome, and his shot on the 18th on Sunday was another Tiger moment for the ages.   In any case I still think that his play at the 2000 US open was the best display of golf of all time.   In any case it is always enlightening to read articles like the one below from one of the experts.

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From skysports

Heroic Tiger feat
US-based British sports-writer Simon Veness offers his thoughts from Over There after the US Open

Posted: 22nd June 2008 14:41
 
Extraordinary. Phenomenal. Legendary. Those were just a few words being bandied around here in the US in the wake of one of the most thrilling and unpredictable golf tournaments any of us are likely to witness.

And that was before it was discovered the injury to Tiger Woods' left knee will now keep him out for the rest of the season.
The adjectives since then are pretty much off the scale, but they start at 'wondrous' and escalate off into the upper stratosphere of literary munificence.
If we thought the sport of golf was already hooked on every shot and utterance of one man, it is even more the case this week. And you know what? Every cough, spit and splutter is fully deserved.
The simple fact is, there are no words to explain satisfactorily what we saw over five days at Torrey Pines; no ordinary measure of achievement by which to judge Tiger's 14th Major success; and no way of really knowing just how much mental and physical agony he went through to edge out the valiant Rocco Mediate on the 91st hole of a true sporting epic.
The pundits here are struggling bravely to equate the Battle of Wounded Knee with all and any previous examples of gallantry on the sporting fields of America, including Los Angeles Rams' Jack Youngblood playing in Super Bowl XIV with a broken leg.

Hall of Pain

And the general consensus is that Woods earns the No 1 spot in the Hall of Pain, possibly by a large margin.
Five days; 91 holes; in the spotlight every moment; and with the massive weight of expectation adding to the equally heavy burden of a torn ACL and double stress fracture of the left leg.
Those of us who watched every hole of those 91 (albeit from the comfort of the sofa) will have been left in no doubt this was an achievement for the ages, even allowing for the relatively feeble challenge from some of the other so-called big names in world golf (Phil Mickelson? He started the final day 12 shots off the lead. Three-time Major winner Ernie Els? A reasonable 14th, but five-over-par for the final two rounds. Or how about top European and world No 6 Sergio Garcia? He never threatened on the Sunday, slumping to a 74 and six over, the same as Mickelson).
No, it was left to journeyman Mediate and Britain's resurgent Lee Westwood to provide the main threats, and both performed admirably in the circumstances.
But this Open wasn't so much about the competition as about Tiger's ability to overcome his own physical stresses.
The pain was clearly etched on his face on numerous occasions but we could only guess at what was going on inside that knee, despite innumerable close-ups. The TV commentators were equally helpless to estimate accurately the toll that joint was taking on arguably the most famous sportsman on the planet.
But still we marvelled at his eagle-starred performance on the Saturday; his stunning birdie finish on Sunday to force the play-off; and the unforgettable drama of the final holes on Monday, including another nerveless birdie on the 18th.
Many were quick to acclaim the tournament right then as possibly the greatest of all time (hard to argue for that with the relative poverty of the rest of the field). Yet the full picture was still not revealed for almost another 48 hours.
The true enormity of his victory, basically playing on one leg and gritting his teeth through not one but two major injuries, finally surfaced only on Wednesday with the announcement of the end of Tiger's season and the subsequent medical details.
Golf, as a sport, took a huge indrawing of breath and has yet to exhale fully. Pundits scrambled to assess what they were hearing and pronounce judgment on this unprecedented news.
Of course, the fundamental verdict is not one to cast much positive light over the other 155 men who started the 108th US Open, or who contended in any of the other tournaments in which Woods has competed for the last year or so.
That verdict insists, fairly plainly, that Tiger on one leg is pretty much better than any of the others on two; a chasm of ability which no-one seems likely to bridge anytime soon.

Totally unique

But it is not so much the gap to The Rest as the realisation of where Woods truly is; how far he has advanced the sport in competitive terms and what makes him totally unique in the sport's annals.
You can pretty much decide that no-one else has ever been so driven, so single-minded, so utterly undeniable on a golf course. Add in a talent level that has always been little short of sensational and you can make a clear case for Tiger being one of the greatest of any sport and any generation.
Predictably, the gasps of astonishment have already led to pronouncements of The End of The Season As We Know It, with no meaningful golf for the rest of the year, including Royal Birkdale and September's Ryder Cup in Kentucky.
That may be a touch premature (those events WILL still take place and there will be winners, despite the lack of a Tiger!), but it is understandable how many will feel a huge sense of anti-climax at tournaments without the world No 1 in attendance.
However, it will also serve as a six-month reminder of the events of Torrey Pines in June. I wrote last week that if the wounded Tiger was, somehow, to win the US Open, it would be a mighty leap forward on his inexorable March to History.
It may have become, ultimately, a horribly crippled leap, but it was most certainly a jump of heroic proportions.

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Football / Paul Ince is the new manager of Blackburn Rovers
« on: June 22, 2008, 03:42:46 PM »

From SkySports.com

Paul Ince has been named as the new manager of Blackburn Rovers and has signed a three-year contract at Ewood Park. 

Blackburn began their search for a new boss earlier this month when Mark Hughes left to take over at Manchester City.  Sky Sports News revealed on Wednesday evening that Ince had emerged as the front-runner for chairman John Williams.  Former England coach Steve McClaren and ex-Bolton and Newcastle boss Sam Allardyce were both interviewed for the post, while Michael Laudrup was a shock late contender.

First choice

Once it became clear Ince was Blackburn's first choice, McClaren accepted a role with Eredivisie side FC Twente and Allardyce withdrew from the running.
Former England midfielder Ince leaves MK Dons to take over in the North West having guided his former club to the League Two title and lifting the Johnstone's Paint Trophy in his first season in charge.  The former West Ham, Manchester United, Liverpool and Internazionale player is in only his third season as a manager having started out with Macclesfield in the 2006/07 season.   He does not yet possess the necessary Uefa Pro Licence required to manage in the Premier League, and Rovers will be hoping they are granted dispensation for him to earn the qualification while in the role.
Ince, who becomes the first black British manager in the Premier League, will be presented to the media at a press conference at midday on Tuesday.

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General Discussion / Re: NBC’s Tim Russert dead at 58
« on: June 16, 2008, 11:06:34 PM »

It was really discomforting to hear that news.   Tim Russert was clearly a cut above some of those other interviewers. One can see that he prepared for his shows and programs.  I recall in the Clinton-Obama debate he asked Clinton the following question:  you  (Clinton) claim that you can create XXX thousand jobs and you have the slides and  analysis to back it up, however when campaigning for the senate seat in N.Y you also made a similar claim that you can create xx thousand jobs in upstate N.Y, and as it turned out you won and we lost jobs in upstate N.Y, ….. what happened.    Of course Clinton could not really handle the question, and it showed that her promises of having solutions etc were simply a style of campaigning, an act and nothing more.  Russet will be missed.

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Other Sports / Re: Tiger Woods Watch in 2008
« on: June 15, 2008, 09:20:44 AM »
Oh lawd oh, Tiger Woods, Tiger Woods!  It is really clear that the superlatives alone cannot describe what this man is doing and the effects of his performance on spectators like us.  There was another presence with woods on that back 9 on Saturday.  It was not technically his best golf; I think that his performance in the US open in 2000 was his best display of shot making etc.  But on Saturday we say a wounded player coming up with the shots and giving us a performance that ranks right up there with his best ever.

On Friday night after looking at the highlights of Friday’s play there was one or two words wow , incredible.  And for him to beat that on Saturday …. .  Whatever happens today (and with that knee it could be awful), I will remain in awe of Woods at this year’s open.

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Other Sports / Re: Tiger Woods Watch in 2008
« on: June 15, 2008, 09:20:24 AM »
I was watching him today for a few holes and I am asking myself.....
"Is he bulking up?"

Woods has always lifted weights and tried to put on as much muscle as possible.  I think that as he gets older, then our picture of his usual teenage or mid 20’s thin frame, has to adjust to the additional bulk that comes with age.

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Other Sports / Re: Tiger Woods Watch in 2008
« on: June 13, 2008, 07:57:45 PM »

Many experts are saying that after the knee surgery it is unlikely that he will win the U.S open.   All the talking heads are saying the he should have played the tournament last week, to get in shape for the open.  It is true that on the last 2 occasions when he played immediately after having knee surgery, he played poorly. But this time it seems as though things would be different.



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Football / Re: TFA season opens
« on: May 30, 2008, 04:51:32 PM »

Thanks for the update

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Football / Re: Yorke, Latas among embittered W/Cup heroes.
« on: May 30, 2008, 04:50:09 PM »

I really wanted to see Dwight in this game; first of all for the level of play in the game itself and secondly for the occasion.  A big occasion with a scrappy midfield is not entertaining.


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Football / Re: T&T vs England Photos & Videos Thread (01-Jun-2008).
« on: May 30, 2008, 04:29:06 PM »

I haven’t seen any mention of someone recording the game and making it available.  For a while now I have been on a business trip (today I am in N.Y) and would not get back to Cali until late Sunday night.  It would be nice if someone can make a copy of the game available for download.  That notwithstanding it seems as though the game will be available on Setanta on Monday.
 

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Football / Re: Sunderland Summer Transfer Rumours Thread
« on: May 10, 2008, 05:21:43 PM »

.......
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The Trini's

Dwight has done a great job for the club and as it stands its either Australia or a caoching role at the club, I can't honestly see him getting many games due to his age next season, it happens to us all.  Whichever it is, I wish the lad well and he has been a credit.

Carlos has been a miss this season and the season has been a right off for the lad.  We are none the wiser if he can hack it in the premiership as yet as its unfair to judge him.  He needs to get his head right, I think the games he has played he hasn't been match sharp and the injury seems to be on his mind when playing.  Coming home and playing fot T&T in the summer will help, but he needs to sort it out.  A big season for Carlos next season as there is no way the club will go into next season without buying in a right sided player, it simply can't afford to.  So I expect Carlos to face serious competition for his place next season, so he needs to come back fighting fit.  From a personal perspective I hope he does and plays over 30 games next season.

Kenwyn, well could of called this "Where is KJ Going Today Thread".  He has already been linked with a number of clubs and this will gather pace as the summer goes on, most will just be paper talk.  I do expect someone to bid for him, how he reacts is up to him.  Without doubt we would of been dead and buried without Kenwyn this year, but every player has his price.  If the club get offered really serious money for him, then there is a chance he will move on.  He has enormous potential but still a lot to learn.  Sunderland have helped his reputation by playing to his strengths this season, I don't want to see them playing to the same strengths next season, as it will be another season of struggle.  That is not getting at Kenwyn, that is simply pointing to a lack of quality behind him, but will he be as effective with better quality behind him?  So I don't honestly know if Kenwyn will be at Sunderland at the start of next season.

I have put Roy's interview with the echo and links so far on replys to break this monologue up a bit (sorry!). I will update it regularly ( remember RUMOURS) and watch for any abuse( you know who I am talking about ;))

I agree with much of this  frank assessment! 

Nonetheless I think that a player-coach role would be good for Yorke and the club.
No one expects Yorke to be starting in a lot of games.  But Yorke can come on for the last 30 min and still be very effective. Reid and Richardson are above Yorke in the pecking order.  Now assuming that Sunderland brings in two midfielders, one who is better than Reid and Richardson, and a trainee, then Yorke still fits into the picture as a useful sub.  And in a season where injuries can wipe out  whole sections at a time, the backup is important.  One thing that I was amazed by this season is that Yorke’s quality is still very good.  It is true that he is not fast anymore, but the touch and control of the ball is still there.  It is interesting how some players’ age.  Some age with grace and quality intact, while for others it falls away very quickly.

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