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Barack Obama 'too tired' to give proper welcome to Gordon Brown

By Tim Shipman in Washington
Last Updated: 10:03PM GMT 07 Mar 2009

Barack Obama's offhand approach to Gordon Brown's Washington visit last week came about because the president was facing exhaustion over America's economic crisis and is unable to focus on foreign affairs, the Sunday Telegraph has been told.
Sources close to the White House say Mr Obama and his staff have been "overwhelmed" by the economic meltdown and have voiced concerns that the new president is not getting enough rest.

British officials, meanwhile, admit that the White House and US State Department staff were utterly bemused by complaints that the Prime Minister should have been granted full-blown press conference and a formal dinner, as has been customary. They concede that Obama aides seemed unfamiliar with the expectations that surround a major visit by a British prime minister.

But Washington figures with access to Mr Obama's inner circle explained the slight by saying that those high up in the administration have had little time to deal with international matters, let alone the diplomatic niceties of the special relationship.

Allies of Mr Obama say his weary appearance in the Oval Office with Mr Brown illustrates the strain he is now under, and the president's surprise at the sheer volume of business that crosses his desk.

A well-connected Washington figure, who is close to members of Mr Obama's inner circle, expressed concern that Mr Obama had failed so far to "even fake an interest in foreign policy".

A British official conceded that the furore surrounding the apparent snub to Mr Brown had come as a shock to the White House. "I think it's right to say that their focus is elsewhere, on domestic affairs. A number of our US interlocutors said they couldn't quite understand the British concerns and didn't get what that was all about."

The American source said: "Obama is overwhelmed. There is a zero sum tension between his ability to attend to the economic issues and his ability to be a proactive sculptor of the national security agenda.

"That was the gamble these guys made at the front end of this presidency and I think they're finding it a hard thing to do everything."

British diplomats insist the visit was a success, with officials getting the chance to develop closer links with Mr Obama's aides. They point out that the president has agreed to meet the prime minister for further one-to-one talks in London later this month, ahead of the G20 summit on April 2.

But they concede that the mood music of the event was at times strained. Mr Brown handed over carefully selected gifts, including a pen holder made from the wood of a warship that helped stamp out the slave trade - a sister ship of the vessel from which timbers were taken to build Mr Obama's Oval Office desk. Mr Obama's gift in return, a collection of Hollywood film DVDs that could have been bought from any high street store, looked like the kind of thing the White House might hand out to the visiting head of a minor African state.

Mr Obama rang Mr Brown as he flew home, in what many suspected was an attempt to make amends.

The real views of many in Obama administration were laid bare by a State Department official involved in planning the Brown visit, who reacted with fury when questioned by The Sunday Telegraph about why the event was so low-key.

The official dismissed any notion of the special relationship, saying: "There's nothing special about Britain. You're just the same as the other 190 countries in the world. You shouldn't expect special treatment." The apparent lack of attention to detail by the Obama administration is indicative of what many believe to be Mr Obama's determination to do too much too quickly.

In addition to passing the largest stimulus package and the largest budget in US history, Mr Obama is battling a plummeting stock market, the possible bankruptcy of General Motors, and rising unemployment. He has also begun historic efforts to achieve universal healthcare, overhaul education and begin a green energy revolution all in his first 50 days in office.

The Sunday Telegraph understands that one of Mr Obama's most prominent African American backers, whose endorsement he spent two years cultivating, has told friends that he detects a weakness in Mr Obama's character.

"The one real serious flaw I see in Barack Obama is that he thinks he can manage all this," the well-known figure told a Washington official, who spoke to this newspaper. "He's underestimating the flood of things that will hit his desk." A Democratic strategist, who is friends with several senior White House aides, revealed that the president has regularly appeared worn out and drawn during evening work sessions with senior staff in the West Wing and has been forced to make decisions more quickly than he is comfortable.

He said that on several occasions the president has had to hurry back from eating dinner with his family in the residence and then tucking his daughters in to bed, to conduct urgent government business. Matters are not helped by the pledge to give up smoking.

"People say he looks tired more often than they're used to," the strategist said. "He's still calm, but there have been flashes of irritation when he thinks he's being pushed to make a decision sooner than he wants to make it. He looks like he needs a cigarette."

Mr Obama was teased by the New York Times on Thursday in a front page story which claimed to have detected a greater prevalence of grey hairs since he entered the White House.

The Democratic strategist stressed that Mr Obama's plight was nothing new. "He knew it was going to be tough; he said as much throughout the campaign. But there's a difference between knowing it is going to be tough and facing the sheer relentless pressure of it all."

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At this rate, he'll be burnt out long before the four years done. Some of the British press are having a field day with this.
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Re: Barack Obama 'too tired' to give proper welcome to Gordon Brown
« Reply #1 on: March 08, 2009, 04:42:43 PM »
D British press have time d royalsbehavin these days.
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Re: Barack Obama 'too tired' to give proper welcome to Gordon Brown
« Reply #2 on: March 08, 2009, 05:19:04 PM »
barack know this wasn't no walk in de park,learn to designate commander in chief.
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Re: Barack Obama 'too tired' to give proper welcome to Gordon Brown
« Reply #3 on: March 08, 2009, 05:39:49 PM »
D British press have time d royalsbehavin these days.

aint that the truth lol.

This writer Iain Martin with the Telegraph wrote a few columns. An interesting read

The special relationship is a joke, and it isn't funny



By Iain Martin
Last Updated: 6:37PM GMT 07 Mar 2009


When an American leader is preparing to meet his British counterpart it is said that an official usually offers one final piece of advice: "don't forget to mention the special relationship

We Brits are seen as so needy that we will have a national, collective nervous breakdown unless we hear the magic words. In reality, the phrase has become a joke: the Americans know it, we know it and I suspect that they know we know it. Hillary Clinton could not disguise a knowing smirk when she used the words.

Last week, it was the turn of a new president to play this old game. How would Barack Obama handle Gordon Brown's visit to Washington? The answer, sadly, is badly.

He remembered to deploy the requisite term; but from the start of the trip, Team Obama behaved as though it simply could not be bothered having the British – their only allies of consequence in Afghanistan – in town. At first, there was to be no formal press conference; then the Americans agreed to a short Q&A in the Oval Office. But Number 10 had to beg for it. Throughout, Obama looked, to this observer, indifferent to the whole business.

And then there were the presents. The Browns had taken a degree of care, arriving with a pen holder made from the timbers of HMS Gannet, an anti-slave trade ship, and a first edition of Gilbert's seven volume biography of Churchill. The Obama daughters received dresses and necklaces chosen by Sarah Brown.

Did the Obamas spend more than a few seconds thinking about gifts in return? For the Brown sons there were matching models of the President's helicopter, suggesting a last-minute dash by an aide to the White House gift shop. The grown-up Browns were even less lucky: they received a box of 25 DVDs, including ET, The Wizard of Oz and Psycho.

Small details, yes. But in diplomacy the micro-detail is often key to understanding the bigger picture. Margaret Thatcher and Ronald Reagan appreciated the importance of choreographing their appearances correctly. That they bothered enough to get it right shows how serious they were about wanting the world to understand that they shared a mission of extending economic freedom and winning the Cold War.

And that is the root of the problem. For all the PM's talk of the need for a global solution to the economic crisis, there is no shared American and British mission.

The first few months of Obama's presidency are turning into a car crash (last week, US unemployment hit a 25-year high). Consequently, his primary concerns are national, rather than international, his time too scarce for Brown's grand visions of global new deals and reformed regulatory structures. And anyway, when he does need to look abroad for economic partners, why would it be to Britain? His main focus will be China.

In April, of course, Obama and other world leaders will be in London for the G20 summit. Sadly for Brown, the handshakes and communiqués will not mark the birth of his imagined new order – rather, the framework of markets and trade will be reconstructed over the course of a decade and more. And there will not be much demand for the services of an architect of the previous system, which has collapsed with such dramatic consequences. The contract for rebuilding is as unlikely to be handed to Gordon Brown as it is to Alan Greenspan.

Consider this: Obama is only starting his period in office. He will, conceivably, hold power until January 2017. Where will Brown be then? Where will he be in 15 months?

And what of the wider "special relationship"? Obama is not the first new president to seek to "date other people". Many before him have begun their first term in pursuit of a broader range of allies, such as the French and the Germans, on matters military and in the sharing of intelligence. They usually discover that all that is on offer in the field is extra help with the catering duties. For sustained co-operation, the Brits have the best track record.

However, thanks to the economic crisis, there is a real and depressing possibility that the outcome may be different this time. True, most of America's potential friends are in a poor condition thanks to the economic climate. But Britain, with its wrecked public finances and unbalanced economy, is in an atrocious position. It will take decades of hard work, narrowly focused on the restoration of national prosperity, before we can step forward as an attractive ally once more. What a legacy for that great global show-off Tony Blair: the seeds of this decline were sown during his premiership.

All this depresses the life out of an Atlanticist such as me, who is immensely proud of the good that has come from the alliance between our two countries. Yet, we may be entering a period when the UK's concerns will be a good deal more prosaic. In the hard years ahead there will be little time, energy and money left over for British global grandstanding.


President Barack Obama dislikes Britain, but he's keen to meet the Queen
Posted By: Iain Martin at Mar 6, 2009 at 12:44:22


President Obama has been rudeness personified towards Britain this week. His handling of the visit of the Prime Minister, Gordon Brown, to Washington was appalling. First Brown wasn't granted a press conference with flags, then one was hastily arranged in the Oval office after the Brits had to beg. Obama looked like he would rather have been anywhere else than welcoming the British leader to his office and topped it all with his choice of present (*) for the PM. A box of 25 DVDS including ET, the Wizard of Oz and Star Wars? Oh, give me strength. We do have television and DVD stores on this side of the Atlantic. Even Gordon Brown will have seen those films too often already.

This was coupled with Michelle Obama's casual choice of gifts for the Brown sons - matching models of the helicopter which ferry her husband around. While Sarah Brown had spent time choosing gifts for the Obama girls, Michelle had clearly sent an aide to the White House gift shop at the last moment.

All in all, he doesn't think much of us, as I explained in my post here earlier this week.

But what's this? Something, suddenly, seems to have made the Obama White House perk up and start to take an interest in the Brits. The Queen has invited the President to tea when he's here for the G20 in April. And he's in through the front door of Buckingham Palace faster than a Harley Davidson roaring along Route 66.

Note how the coolness of Team Obama disappears when a bit of regal glamour is introduced into the equation. He might not like the Brits, but he can recognise a global superstar when he encounters one. He wants to be associated with her. He's shameless.

(*) If Obama, or someone in his inner circle, had spent two minutes thinking about what present to get Brown then they could easily have come up with something appropriate. He likes books. He loves American history. Get him a signed first edition of a good Robert Dallek book such as the brilliant Flawed Giant  on LBJ. Come to think of it, Obama should read it too, if he hasn't yet, as it reveals a great deal about how a Presidency can go so wrong.


President Barack Obama just plain rude to Britain. Don't call us in future.

Posted By: Iain Martin at Mar 4, 2009 at 09:41:53

Why couldn't President Obama have put on more of a show for his British guests? He looked like he simply couldn't be bothered.

Number 10 may be content that they just about got away with the visit to the Oval Office yesterday, as Andrew Porter reports from Washington.

But on this side of the Atlantic the whole business looked pretty demeaning. The morning papers and TV last night featured plenty of comment focused on the White House's very odd and, frankly, exceptionally rude treatment of a British PM. Squeezing in a meeting, denying him a full press conference with flags etc. The British press corps, left outside for an hour in the cold, can take it and their privations are of limited concern to the public.

But Obama's merely warmish words (one of our closest allies, said with little sincerity or passion) left a bitter taste with this Atlanticist. Especially after his team had made Number 10 beg for a mini press conference and then not even offered the PM lunch.

We get the point, sunshine: we're just one of many allies and you want fancy new friends. Well, the next time you need something doing, something which impinges on your national security, then try calling the French, or the Japanese, or best of all the Germans. The French will be able to offer you first rate support from their catering corps but beyond that you'll be on your own.

When it comes to men, munitions and commitment you'll soon find out why it pays to at least treat the Brits with some manners.

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Re: Barack Obama 'too tired' to give proper welcome to Gordon Brown
« Reply #4 on: March 08, 2009, 09:09:53 PM »
Dat seems to have stung their pride.  :-X

However...the stress on obama eh no suprise.....i doubt he expected it woulda be easy. Is moments like these yuh wonder who came out better as a result of winning...mc cain or obama. He still have time..he now starting...so things may change eventually.
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Re: Barack Obama 'too tired' to give proper welcome to Gordon Brown
« Reply #5 on: March 08, 2009, 09:11:43 PM »
Dat seems to have stung their pride.  :-X

However...the stress on obama eh no suprise.....i doubt he expected it woulda be easy. Is moments like these yuh wonder who came out better as a result of winning...mc cain or obama. He still have time..he now starting...so things may change eventually.
my wife and I were talkin about that and figured that McSame would age very very rapidly if he was de pres
That office ent easy at all
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Re: Barack Obama 'too tired' to give proper welcome to Gordon Brown
« Reply #6 on: March 08, 2009, 09:42:45 PM »
after 45 days only. is not a sprint is a marathon. is not just obuma bun, geithner as well.

de investors will get dey pound of flesh.  :whip:

obuma should take a page from chavez. :devil:  should cut out the smokes as well.
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Re: Barack Obama 'too tired' to give proper welcome to Gordon Brown
« Reply #7 on: March 08, 2009, 10:46:23 PM »
Steups, when Taro Aso rolled through a couple weeks ago, what were the British press saying?

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Re: Barack Obama 'too tired' to give proper welcome to Gordon Brown
« Reply #8 on: March 08, 2009, 11:24:44 PM »
De ting is.....people have expectations. Dem expecting miracles. People love a hero..but one thing they love to do is turn on a hero. Dem expect obama to magically fix everything which cant happen. I sure dey go turn on him if he doh get it done as quick as dey expect.
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Re: Barack Obama 'too tired' to give proper welcome to Gordon Brown
« Reply #9 on: March 08, 2009, 11:30:10 PM »
President Barack Obama says the Queen is a lesbian, and likes Blacks as her cooks.
Posted By: Iain Martin at Mar 9, 2009 at 06:41:50
 :o
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Re: Barack Obama 'too tired' to give proper welcome to Gordon Brown
« Reply #10 on: March 09, 2009, 12:44:47 AM »
Dat seems to have stung their pride.  :-X

However...the stress on obama eh no suprise.....i doubt he expected it woulda be easy. Is moments like these yuh wonder who came out better as a result of winning...mc cain or obama. He still have time..he now starting...so things may change eventually.

The meeting certainly wasnt seen as a failure or as a mark of disrespect here in Britain. Those are just the views of that columnist. I think most Brits do realise that Obama has more important things to do than fete with Gordon Brown.

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Re: Barack Obama 'too tired' to give proper welcome to Gordon Brown
« Reply #11 on: March 09, 2009, 09:54:53 AM »
time for Joe Biden to step up to the plate and do some more of the international touring.  Like the summit it T'dad.  No reason for Obama to do that.

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Re: Barack Obama 'too tired' to give proper welcome to Gordon Brown
« Reply #12 on: March 09, 2009, 10:19:03 AM »
Point taken, but Biden in T&T would not go over well.

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Re: Barack Obama 'too tired' to give proper welcome to Gordon Brown
« Reply #13 on: March 09, 2009, 03:57:33 PM »
Did the Obamas spend more than a few seconds thinking about gifts in return? For the Brown sons there were matching models of the President's helicopter, suggesting a last-minute dash by an aide to the White House gift shop. The grown-up Browns were even less lucky: they received a box of 25 DVDs, including ET, The Wizard of Oz and Psycho.

:rotfl: :rotfl:  ah miss this oui. hold on to that receipt - the DVD might have scratch!


my wife and I were talkin about that and figured that McSame would age very very rapidly if he was de pres
That office ent easy at all

imho, the benchmark should be hills not mccain. i think hills would ah lick up the first 100 days no worries at all.

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Re: Barack Obama 'too tired' to give proper welcome to Gordon Brown
« Reply #14 on: March 09, 2009, 04:17:52 PM »
President Barack Obama says the Queen is a lesbian, and likes Blacks as her cooks.
Posted By: Iain Martin at Mar 9, 2009 at 06:41:50
 :o

well after seein that

I hadda take this 'journalist' fellah with ah grain of salt....he is the british rush limbaugh or wha?
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Re: Barack Obama 'too tired' to give proper welcome to Gordon Brown
« Reply #15 on: March 09, 2009, 04:30:34 PM »
Did the Obamas spend more than a few seconds thinking about gifts in return? For the Brown sons there were matching models of the President's helicopter, suggesting a last-minute dash by an aide to the White House gift shop. The grown-up Browns were even less lucky: they received a box of 25 DVDs, including ET, The Wizard of Oz and Psycho.

:rotfl: :rotfl:  ah miss this oui. hold on to that receipt - the DVD might have scratch!


Wonder what Manning will get?

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Re: Barack Obama 'too tired' to give proper welcome to Gordon Brown
« Reply #16 on: March 09, 2009, 05:00:14 PM »
President Barack Obama says the Queen is a lesbian, and likes Blacks as her cooks.
Posted By: Iain Martin at Mar 9, 2009 at 06:41:50
 :o

well after seein that

I hadda take this 'journalist' fellah with ah grain of salt....he is the british rush limbaugh or wha?

Thats a real article? I thought Babalawo just make it up?


Where the link man?


Ribbit... ya have to wonder if the DVDs are Universal coding or if is a set of region 1 the man give brown  :rotfl: :rotfl:
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Re: Barack Obama 'too tired' to give proper welcome to Gordon Brown
« Reply #17 on: March 20, 2009, 12:06:35 PM »
So a lil update

U.K. leader can't view Obama's gift


The movie industry's digital protection schemes have turned President Obama's present for British Prime Minister Gordon Brown into little more than a set of coasters.

British newspapers earlier this month made hay out of the supposedly unequal exchange of gifts between the two leaders during Brown's visit to Washington. Brown gave an ornamental pen holder with an indirect tie to the Oval Office desk — both items were made from the timber of sister ships — and a first-edition set of a seven-volume biography about Winston Churchill.

Obama responded with a DVD set featuring 25 classic American movies. "About as exciting as a pair of socks," declared The Daily Mail.

Now it turns out Brown can't play the discs because of region-specific limitations, The Daily Telegraph reports.

DVD players are coded to limit themselves to material meant for specific geographic areas. The United States and Canada are Region 1. Western and Central Europe are Region 2.

Players sold in one region aren't supposed to play discs sold in another. Had the same sort of protection applied to Brown's gift, Obama would need a special key sold only in Europe to open the Churchill books.

People willing to experiment with hacks can go online to find relatively easy ways around region-coding prohibitions on discs. But a spokesman for the prime minister referred a Telegraph writer to the White House for "technical assistance."

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Re: Barack Obama 'too tired' to give proper welcome to Gordon Brown
« Reply #18 on: March 20, 2009, 01:03:56 PM »
So a lil update

U.K. leader can't view Obama's gift


:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

ah could well imagine what manning getting .... two mexican mango and a tomtom with bajan maps


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Re: Barack Obama 'too tired' to give proper welcome to Gordon Brown
« Reply #19 on: March 20, 2009, 08:20:46 PM »
So a lil update

U.K. leader can't view Obama's gift


:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

ah could well imagine what manning getting .... two mexican mango and a tomtom with bajan maps




 :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
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