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« Reply #1770 on: July 23, 2012, 09:28:04 AM »
irregarless of the fact that he take nuff thing for he-self and family. Jack has done a lot for Caribbean , Concacaf and Trinidad Football.

fact of the matter is that there was basically nothing before Jack figured out how to use FIFA money to get things done for the region.

There was not even spots to make the world cup.

If it was up to UEFA, concacaf would not even have a spot or one at best.

Jack open up the football.

Unless a new money man willing to step up football on a pause because the public in tnt does not put money into sports.

Amen my borther.

We have some very smart people on this message board.

I was starting to think differently before this.

Jack will rise again !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jack Warner will rise again and the world will beg him him to return and he will say "NO".............

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« Reply #1771 on: July 23, 2012, 11:17:53 AM »
Jack Horner, you are a regular poster here, posting under a different name, your trolling is very amusing.  lol

You gave yourself away.  too funny,  lol

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« Reply #1772 on: July 23, 2012, 01:54:35 PM »
irregarless of the fact that he take nuff thing for he-self and family. Jack has done a lot for Caribbean , Concacaf and Trinidad Football.

fact of the matter is that there was basically nothing before Jack figured out how to use FIFA money to get things done for the region.

There was not even spots to make the world cup.

If it was up to UEFA, concacaf would not even have a spot or one at best.

Jack open up the football.

Unless a new money man willing to step up football on a pause because the public in tnt does not put money into sports.

Amen my borther.

We have some very smart people on this message board.

I was starting to think differently before this.

Jack will rise again !!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Jack Horner, you are a regular poster here, posting under a different name, your trolling is very amusing.  lol

You gave yourself away.  too funny,  lol
That kind of remind's me of another forumite with an alter ego.   :rotfl:
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« Reply #1773 on: July 23, 2012, 04:04:19 PM »
yeah?  well there are several doing that....call facking names.

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« Reply #1774 on: July 23, 2012, 04:23:10 PM »
Thanx Jack, you should have said this 29 and a 1/2 years ago.....  ;D

Jack: Not me and football again.
Like he really have a choice...


I am sorry to say that if Jack had done that 29 and1/2 years ago we would have had nothing to talk about,2006 was our time of glory and we wont be in any WC until at least 2030.Lets see who is willing to work towards TT getting back on track,there is plenty of articulate men around but thats all.Way Shaka an dem,they out off,let them come back if they love TT so much.

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« Reply #1775 on: July 23, 2012, 05:49:04 PM »
Until Watson and the rest resolve the court case, I dont see much happening. No companies are going to assist the TTFF will all those problem hanging over their heads.

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« Reply #1776 on: July 23, 2012, 07:43:11 PM »
I am sorry to say that if Jack had done that 29 and1/2 years ago we would have had nothing to talk about,2006 was our time of glory and we wont be in any WC until at least 2030.Lets see who is willing to work towards TT getting back on track,there is plenty of articulate men around but thats all.Way Shaka an dem,they out off,let them come back if they love TT so much.

Why yuh doh hush yuh hairy ass.   What de f**k you mean with this shit?
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« Reply #1777 on: July 25, 2012, 05:20:33 AM »
JACK'S SECRET US$ ACCOUNT
By Andre Bagoo (Newsday).


MINISTER of National Security and former FIFA vice-president Jack Warner, in 2011, held a secret US-dollar account in which he co-mingled personal and football business funds, according to the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS) which yesterday published a full written judgment in relation to allegations of bribery against former FIFA presidential candidate Mohamed Bin Hammam.

Last week, the CAS announced that it was quashing a lifetime ban imposed on Bin Hammam by FIFA in relation to allegations that Bin Hammam had attempted to bribe Caribbean Football Union (CFU) officials at a meeting organised by Warner at the Hyatt Regency, Port-of-Spain on May 10, 2011. The court announced it was overturning the FIFA ban for a lack of evidence against Bin Hammam.

However, in its 56-page written ruling the CAS further explained that a large part of the case against Bin Hammam was based on statements made by Warner. The court said it had thrown out all statements made by Warner in the case because he was an “unreliable witness.”

In its ruling, which has been obtained by Newsday, the Switzerland-based court found that:

* Warner held a secret US-dollar account which contained at least US$455,000 (TT$2.8 million) in which he mingled personal funds and CFU football funds;

* an orange and black suitcase which contained piles of cash allegedly used to bribe CFU officials was kept at Warner’s football office at Port-of-Spain hours before it was transported to the Hyatt;

* Warner’s statements to FIFA linking Bin Hammam to the US$40,000 (TT$252,000) cash gifts offered to CFU members could not be relied on because Warner was an “unreliable witness” who “appears to be prone to an economy with the truth”;

* Warner declined a request made by the court to appear before it even though he was a “central figure” in the case against Bin Hammam;

* there was evidence that an official employed at the Ministry of Works and Transport was sent to Piarco airport to welcome Bin Hammam in May 2011.

In relation to the secret bank account, the court said there was “ample” evidence that Warner placed funds from the CFU in it and mixed it with personal funds. At least TT$2.8 million in payments were made via cheque out of this account to Chuck Blazer, the FIFA executive committee member and one-time Warner ally who has been said to have first reported allegations against Bin Hammam to FIFA.

“There is ample evidence that Mr Warner ran a secret US dollar bank account in which he co-mingled CFU and personal funds,” the CAS found in its 2-1 majority judgment. “Two cheques were drawn on this account in the sum of US$455,000 and paid to Mr Blazer just a few weeks before the events in Trinidad and Tobago (there is no evidence that any accounting or explanation has been given to the CFU of the reasons for these large payments).”

The court said there was evidence that CFU member Anton Sealey, the president of the Bahamas Football Federation, was unaware of the existence of the account. CAS criticised previous reports, done by the Freeh Group and attorney John Collins for FIFA, for failing to probe the accounts of the CFU.

“The panel considers that the Freeh and Collins reports did not sufficiently investigate the existence of CFU accounts to check whether the CFU had ever had enough funds to provide the cash gifts, or whether there had been cash withdrawals from these accounts. Asked about Mr Warner sending in the previous two months two cheques totalling US$455,000 to Mr Blazer on a CFU account, Mr Sealey answered that he did not know that CFU had a secret account and that he could therefore not exclude that the money came from CFU accounts.”

The court called Warner “a central figure” in the case against Bin Hammam and reveals for the first time that the FIFA case against Bin Hammam depended largely on statements Warner gave to the FIFA ethics committee in which he claimed Bin Hammam gave him “gifts” to give to CFU officials at the Hyatt meeting. However, the court found Warner’s evidence unsatisfactory.

“The majority of the panel concludes that Mr Warner is an unreliable witness, and anything he has said in relation to the matters before the panel is to be treated with caution,” the court found. “If Mr Warner had been available for examination, it may have been possible to place some degree of reliance on some of his statements, including those against his own interest. The panel invited him to appear, but he has declined to do so.”

CAS further noted Warner gave conflicting accounts of what happened in May 2011.

“Mr Warner appears to be prone to an economy with the truth,” the court said. “He has made numerous statements as to events that are contradicted by other persons, and his own actions are marked by manifest and frequent inconsistency. Most significantly, he made a statement on May 29, 2011, before the FIFA ethics committee, declaring that no cash gifts had been offered, a claim that is directly contradicted by the video evidence of his statement on May 11, 2011, when he referred to the gifts that had been given the previous day.”

The court noted that a transcript of that video revealed Warner said the gifts, which turned out to be envelopes stuffed with US$40,000 cash, were from Bin Hammam who had wanted to bring “silver trinkets”.

In the video, Warner is seen attempting to explain the gifts after he called an unscheduled early meeting on May 11, one day after the gifts were given out in a Hyatt room. The court noted the transcript of the video records him as saying to CFU delegates, “It (the gift) was given to you because he (Bin Hammam) said he could not bring the silver... some silver trinkets and so on, and something with Qatari sand....We don’t need Qatari sand….Barbados sand is as good as Qatari sand if not better. So I said what is wrong with that? Put a value on it and give the countries, and the gift you get is for you to determine how best you want to use it for development for football in your country.

Whether you want to pay salaries, whether you want to pay rent, whether you want to buy equipment, whatever, it is for development but it’s not a gift that I want him to give to you. Because as I said before I did not want it to appear that it would buy votes.”

The court continued, “In these circumstances, the majority of the panel finds it difficult to place any reliance on any statement he (Warner) has made, whether in the form of a witness statement or in anything he has said to a third person and which is before the panel in the form of evidence provided by that third person.”

The court continues, “As a result, the majority of the panel regrets that it is unable to place any particular weight or reliance on any statement made by Mr Warner, or alleged to have been made by him, in its assessment of the facts of this case.”

The court said in the absence of any other evidence it could not find as a fact that Bin Hammam gave the money to Warner to give to the CFU officials.

“For its part, (the) circumstantial evidence turns largely on statements attributed to Mr Warner. If Mr Warner and his statements are taken out of the equation, the record of evidence in relation to (FIFA’s) case on the origins of the suitcase and the monies it contained is founded on extremely limited sources, to put the point generously,” the court said.

Though it was not satisfied in relation to the evidence of the bribery claims against Bin Hammam, the CAS nonetheless raised the possibility that Bin Hammam may not have even known about the cash gifts and that Warner, who appeared to have changed his story after the gifts were reported to FIFA by Blazer, may have first offered the gifts to the CFU members on his own volition to “curry favour” with them.

“The possibility cannot be excluded that Mr Warner subsequently decided to pass on some or all of the money to the members of the CFU, to curry further favour with them, and that Mr Bin Hammam may not even have known that this occurred,” the court opined.

The panel comprised José María Alonso Puig, an attorney-at-law from Madrid, Spain (president);

Philippe J Sands QC, a UK barrister and Professor of Law at University College London (arbitrator); Romano F Subiotto QC, a solicitor-advocate based at Brussels, Belgium and London, UK (arbitrator). Víctor Bonnín Reynés, another Spanish attorney-at-law, was the panel’s ad hoc clerk.

The court also made key findings in relation to the events that took place during Bin Hammam’s visit from May 9, 2011, to May 11, 2011. It found that it was an “undisputed fact” that a suitcase of cash came from Warner’s Concacaf office, which is located at Dundonald Street, Port-of-Spain.

“It is not in dispute that on the afternoon of May 10, 2011, each CFU national association representative was invited to collect a gift in the boardroom, or that the gift was in the form of a cash offering contained in an unmarked envelope in the amount of US$ 40,000. Nor is it in dispute that the envelopes were offered by Jason Sylvester and Debbie Minguell, both employees of the CFU.”

“It is further not disputed that the cash gifts had been placed in a suitcase that was handed over to Mr Sylvester and Ms Minguell by Ms Angenie Kanhai, secretary general of the CFU at the time of the material events. This was confirmed in her witness statement and during the hearing,” the CAS said.

Further, “There is no dispute either that Ms Kanhai went to Mr Jack Warner’s office at about 2.30 pm on May 10, 2011, from where she collected, from one of Mr Warner’s assistants, the suitcase that contained the envelopes. It is not challenged that the suitcase was locked and that the key was in a front pocket.”

“During the hearing, Ms Kanhai observed that ‘the suitcase was a very good quality one, orange and black, and it was not the kind of suitcase that Mr Warner normally uses’.” The court said the latter evidence did not help to determine the further issue of the origins of the cash.

“Interesting as these observations may be, they cannot be dispositive one way or the other on the question of whether the suitcase, as well as the monies that it contained, were provided by Mr Bin Hammam,” it remarked.

For the first time, the judgment gives evidence that the lines between Warner’s role as a Government minister and a FIFA football official may have blurred. The CAS noted evidence from Kanhai which suggested that a salaried official employed at the “Ministry of Transport” was sent by Warner to greet Bin Hammam at the airport on May 9, 2011. At that time, Warner was Minister of Works and Transport.

“When asked by the panel about Mr Bin Hammam’s arrival to Trinidad and Tobago on the evening of May 9, 2011, Ms Kanhai stated that at that time Mr Warner was the Minister of Transport, and that his Ministry’s protocol officer collected Mr Bin Hammam from the airport,” the CAS said.

CAS noted Warner quit FIFA last year amid the bribery allegations. It also said it had “serious concern” that FIFA decided to stop its investigation of Warner after he quit.

“The panel is bound to note that there was apparently no requirement to close those FIFA ethics committee procedures, as it is plain to it that FIFA would continue to be able to exercise jurisdiction over acts occurring whilst Mr Warner was a FIFA official.”

“Mr Warner is at the heart of the events of May 10 and 11, and there is every possibility that if the FIFA investigations of Mr Warner had continued at least some of the missing facts that have hampered the work of this panel – facts that go to the heart of the gaps in the events - might have been clearly established, one way or the other. By closing the Ethics Committee procedures, FIFA disabled itself from pursuing a proper, thorough and complete investigation.”

The court said FIFA president Sepp Blatter, who, unlike Warner, appeared before the CAS, declined to answer questions surrounding the circumstances of Warner quitting FIFA.

Warner last week welcomed the CAS’s announcement saying its ruling was a “vindication” and a “victory of reason”.

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« Reply #1778 on: July 25, 2012, 06:42:51 AM »
Hmmm, isn't this regarded as misuse of public office?

“When asked by the panel about Mr Bin Hammam’s arrival to Trinidad and Tobago on the evening of May 9, 2011, Ms Kanhai stated that at that time Mr Warner was the Minister of Transport, and that his Ministry’s protocol officer collected Mr Bin Hammam from the airport,” the CAS said.

Isn't is shameful that a senior Cabinet Minister and sometime acting Prime minister is referred to internationally this way:

Warner’s statements to FIFA ........ could not be relied on because Warner was an “unreliable witness” who “appears to be prone to an economy with the truth”; 

And not only did he make untruthful statements in statements to FIFA, he also then misled the T&T population when he declared last week that the CAS ruling ruling was a “vindication” and a “victory of reason”

And let's see what Kamla does now. Remember she said previously that she couldn't act on allegations, well, this is sworn evidence that has been investigated and accepted as fact.

If Jack was the BVI coach, he would declare yesterday's result as an outstanding victory for BVI, pinning back T&T to only 23 goals.
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« Reply #1779 on: July 25, 2012, 08:24:09 AM »

Warner’s statements to FIFA ........ could not be relied on because Warner was an “unreliable witness” who “appears to be prone to an economy with the truth”; 


AKA you is ah blasted liar!
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« Reply #1780 on: July 25, 2012, 09:36:14 AM »
Hmmm, isn't this regarded as misuse of public office?

“When asked by the panel about Mr Bin Hammam’s arrival to Trinidad and Tobago on the evening of May 9, 2011, Ms Kanhai stated that at that time Mr Warner was the Minister of Transport, and that his Ministry’s protocol officer collected Mr Bin Hammam from the airport,” the CAS said.


How is that a "misuse of public office"?  That he sent his protocol officer to pick up a Qatari diplomat from the airport?

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« Reply #1781 on: July 25, 2012, 10:12:41 AM »
Hmmm, isn't this regarded as misuse of public office?

“When asked by the panel about Mr Bin Hammam’s arrival to Trinidad and Tobago on the evening of May 9, 2011, Ms Kanhai stated that at that time Mr Warner was the Minister of Transport, and that his Ministry’s protocol officer collected Mr Bin Hammam from the airport,” the CAS said.


How is that a "misuse of public office"?  That he sent his protocol officer to pick up a Qatari diplomat from the airport?

Of course, you would be correct if he was visiting on official Qatari business, but this was nothing to do with the Qatari or the T&T government. It was a visit to discuss the business of a private organisation. You could argue that any visit by a foreign dignitary warrants government recognition, but then it wouldn't be any business of the Ministry of Transport. I could accept, at a long stretch, that Anil Roberts sent his protocol officer to meet Hammam. Government employees are not paid to serve the private business interests of Ministers.

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« Reply #1782 on: July 25, 2012, 11:06:09 AM »

Of course, you would be correct if he was visiting on official Qatari business, but this was nothing to do with the Qatari or the T&T government. It was a visit to discuss the business of a private organisation. You could argue that any visit by a foreign dignitary warrants government recognition, but then it wouldn't be any business of the Ministry of Transport. I could accept, at a long stretch, that Anil Roberts sent his protocol officer to meet Hammam. Government employees are not paid to serve the private business interests of Ministers.

That's nitpicking bro, in real life nobody studying that that hard. In the land of unofficial half days and two hour lunches ent nutten wrong with sendin a staffer to pick up a foreign diplomat from the airport, whether he's on official business or not. That would fly here in the US and even in the UK. If you could send a staffer to pick up lunch you could send him to the airport.

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« Reply #1783 on: July 25, 2012, 11:46:38 AM »

Of course, you would be correct if he was visiting on official Qatari business, but this was nothing to do with the Qatari or the T&T government. It was a visit to discuss the business of a private organisation. You could argue that any visit by a foreign dignitary warrants government recognition, but then it wouldn't be any business of the Ministry of Transport. I could accept, at a long stretch, that Anil Roberts sent his protocol officer to meet Hammam. Government employees are not paid to serve the private business interests of Ministers.

That's nitpicking bro, in real life nobody studying that that hard. In the land of unofficial half days and two hour lunches ent nutten wrong with sendin a staffer to pick up a foreign diplomat from the airport, whether he's on official business or not. That would fly here in the US and even in the UK. If you could send a staffer to pick up lunch you could send him to the airport.

True. The privileges of power!

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« Reply #1784 on: July 26, 2012, 07:45:23 AM »
It is rumoured that Anil Roberts is now in England attending the Olympics and that in his absence, Jack Warner will deputise.

Question: If there are any decisions to be made regarding football, who will make them?

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« Reply #1785 on: July 26, 2012, 09:02:56 AM »
It is rumoured that Anil Roberts is now in England attending the Olympics and that in his absence, Jack Warner will deputise.

Question: If there are any decisions to be made regarding football, who will make them?

Even when Anil in de office, Jack still callin de shot..so no difference dey
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« Reply #1786 on: July 26, 2012, 12:01:28 PM »
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By ANDRE BAGOO Thursday, July 26 2012
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IN THE FACE of court findings which have deepened the cloud around Minister of National Security and former FIFA vice-president Jack Warner, Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar yesterday once more expressed her confidence in Warner.

In a brief interview, the Prime Minister was questioned on the findings of the Switzerland-based Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS) which, in a written ruling exclusively reported in a cover-story in yesterday’s Newsday, revealed evidence of Warner administering a secret US-dollar account into which he commingled personal and football funds.

Though the CAS quashed a FIFA ban on former FIFA presidential candidate Mohammed Bin Hammam, it did so largely because it deemed Warner’s contradictory evidence as unsatisfactory, describing him as an “unreliable witness” who “appears to be prone to an economy with the truth.”

The CAS also said there was evidence that Warner, during his tenure as Works and Transport Minister, sent a ministry official to greet Bin Hammam at the airport in May 2011 and that an orange briefcase stuffed with cash was kept in Warner’s Port-of-Spain football office hours before it was taken to the Hyatt Regency where CFU officials were presented with cash-filled envelopes.

Questioned by Newsday on these findings of fact, Persad-Bissessar said, “I would not want to comment on that. I have not read the judgment.” Told of the contents of the judgment, Persad- Bissessar said, “I cannot comment on something you are telling me. I have to read it first. I would not be able to comment at this stage before I have a chance to read it.”

Asked if she had confidence in her Minister of National Security Jack Warner, the Prime Minister said, “I have every confidence in all of my ministers.” Persad-Bissessar elevated Warner to the sensitive National Security post last month even amid questions dating back to his previous tenure as Works and Transport Minister when, in May 2011, he arranged cash gifts to be given to Caribbean Football Union (CFU) officials at a meeting at the Hyatt, one day after Bin Hammam lobbied them ahead of the FIFA elections that year.

Just last week Thursday, the Prime Minister also advised President George Maxwell Richards to appoint Warner the Acting Minister of Sport, in addition to his Security portfolio, during the absence from the country of Anil Roberts. On that very day, the CAS announced it was lifting the FIFA ban imposed on Bin Hammam, but also remarked in a press release that it was “more likely than not” that Warner and Bin Hammam were in a collaboration which “may not have complied with the highest ethical standards.”

The CAS panel comprised José María Alonso Puig, an attorney-at-law from Spain (president); Philippe J Sands QC, a UK barrister and Professor of Law at University College London (arbitrator); and Romano F Subiotto QC, a solicitor-advocate based at Brussels, Belgium and London, UK (arbitrator). Víctor Bonnín Reynés, another Spanish attorney-at-law, was the panel’s ad hoc clerk.

Persad-Bissessar’s expression of confidence came as the Congress of the People (COP), the second largest party in the coalition government, expressed renewed concerns over Warner’s place in the Cabinet. It also came as Dr Keith Rowley, the Opposition Leader, said the Opposition would write the Integrity Commission afresh in relation to new revelations that Warner administered a secret CFU bank account.

Vernon de Lima, the acting chairman of the COP, yesterday said of Warner, “He ought not to have been made a minister. I don’t know what to say again.” He compared current calls to remove Warner to calls to remove the former Udecott chairman Calder Hart, who was subject to investigation. “Both of them were under investigation and therefore is no difference in my mind,” he said.

Opposition Leader Dr Keith Rowley called on the Prime Minister to act on Warner.

“Now that the investigations are concluded and findings have been made by a judicial body all of which confirm our greatest fears about Mr Warner’s involvement in wrongdoing, the Prime Minister no longer has any place to hide and I call upon her to keep the commitment she made last year which was to act when the evidence became available,” Rowley said. “Now that the findings are here she has no place to hide.”

Rowley said the revelation that National Security Minister and former FIFA vice-president Jack Warner ran a secret bank account into which he placed personal and football funds must be investigated by the Integrity Commission.

“The revelations of these findings have been and will be reported to the Integrity Commission for that independent body to initiate its own investigation to ensure that the laws of Trinidad and Tobago have been complied with and that includes the latest revelation of the secret bank account,” Rowley said.

In its 56-page arbitral award, the CAS said, “There is ample evidence that Mr Warner ran a secret US dollar bank account in which he commingled CFU and personal funds. Two cheques were drawn on this account in the sum of US$455,000 and paid to (FIFA executive Chuck) Blazer just a few weeks before the events in Trinidad and Tobago.” It added that, “There is no evidence that any accounting or explanation has been given to the CFU of the reasons for these large payments.”

Warner declined to appear before the CAS and yesterday remained silent on the CAS judgment.

Rowley hit the Police Service (TTPS), saying there were questions over its handling of the investigation into the cash handed out at the Hyatt given the findings of CAS.

“The court found that cash in a suitcase from Jack Warner’s office ended up in a meeting and was distributed,” Rowley noted. “The TTPS failed to ask Mr Warner about that cash. How could the TTPS fail to ask questions of Mr Warner with respect to this money which emanated from his office and which his staff produced? That does not give our police investigative skills any marks. A drunken man on a galloping horse would ask, ‘Where did this money come from and whose money was it?’. The police has failed us miserably.”

Rowley noted the dismissed allegations against former UNC political leader Basdeo Panday were about a secret bank account.

“The Basdeo Panday matter was specifically about his having an account and not having declared it,” the Diego Martin West MP said. “Now that a judicial court has made reference to a secret account in which substantial amounts of money was being commingled it raises a question of whether the Integrity Commission was aware that this account existed and that is why the commission will have to investigate: to determine this.”

Warner’s place in the Cabinet has been a constant issue for the PP Government. In 2010, the Cabinet got several legal opinions to determine the question of whether Warner could hold on to his FIFA duties and remain a Government Minister. The legal opinions concluded Warner could. The matter was never referred to the Supreme Court for determination. Persad-Bissessar and the Cabinet stood by Warner in 2011 when the allegations of bribery emerged and even after he quit his FIFA position, opting not to face the allegations.

“The tribunal has now found that he has run away and refused to cooperate with the tribunal,” Rowley said.

Upon appointing Warner as National Security Minister last month, Persad-Bissessar further said Warner was a man of “action” who might be able to tackle the crime problem. Rowley said the question is not whether Warner can do the job but whether he is fit for public office.

“In the light of the findings of a judicial body where his conduct has been called into question we reject all discussions about him being a hard worker,” Rowley said. “That is not the point. The point is whether he is a fit and proper person to serve. This is a question of standards and values.”

He continued, “Warner’s presence in the Cabinet is detrimental to the image of the country and the Prime Minister persists in defending him. She is spectacular in her persistence in making bad appointments and has been a poor selector of persons for public office,” Rowley said. “This is one of them.”

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« Reply #1787 on: July 26, 2012, 12:06:23 PM »
Plum FIFA job for Warner’s ex-secretary


JACK WARNER’S former secretary at the Caribbean Football Union (CFU), Angenie Kanhai, changed her story in a way that incriminated ousted FIFA presidential candidate Mohammed Bin Hammam two days before she signed a contract for a plum FIFA job in February, the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS) revealed this week.

In its detailed 56-page written ruling quashing Bin Hammam’s FIFA ban for bribery, the court expressed “concern” over the fact that both Warner and Kanhai changed their stories in relation to the source of cash-filled envelopes offered to CFU officials at the Hyatt Regency in the build-up to the 2011 FIFA presidential elections.

The changes appeared to occur after the offer of the envelopes – which each contained US$40,000 – was reported to FIFA and went public. “The change in Mr Warner’s account, as well as the small but very significant addition that was made by Ms Kanhai in her second statement, raise concerns for the panel,” the court said in its arbitration ruling, which was first reported on exclusively in yesterday’s Newsday.

The panel noted Kanhai made two statements: one on July 15, 2011, after the scandal first broke out and then another statement on February 27, 2012, while proceedings were ongoing before the CAS. The first statement did not implicate Bin Hammam. But the second statement did.

In the first statement, Kanhai said, “On May 10, 2011 Mr Warner advised me that he had gifts, which were to be distributed to the delegates.” However, in her second statement, Kanhai added a telling detail, “Mr Warner advised me that gifts were to be distributed to the delegates....he told me that the gifts were token gifts from Mr Bin Hammam.”

“The panel considers Ms. Kanhai’s testimony on this point to be relevant, because her second statement appears to be the only place in the record of evidence that Mr. Warner told anyone on May 10 (as opposed to May 11) that Mr Bin Hammam was the source of the gifts,” the CAS said. It noted that by the time of the second statement, Kanhai was out of a job having stepped down as CFU general secretary in December 2011.

“The panel is bound to observe that Ms. Kanhai’s second statement was made on February 27, 2012, at a time when she was unemployed, having resigned from the CFU in December 2011, and that two days after signing this second statement, on March 1, she signed a contract of employment with FIFA, the respondent in these proceedings,” the court revealed.

It continued, “It may be that the timing is entirely coincidental, but given the significance of the addition to the statement and her failure to provide a compelling – or any real – explanation for it, the panel is bound to treat the evidence with some degree of caution.”

“If Ms Kanhai’s second statement is removed from the equation, there is no evidence before the panel to show that Mr. Warner mentioned the connection between the gifts and Mr Bin Hammam until the morning of May 11.”

Newsday understands that Kanhai, 29, now holds the post of development officer at the FIFA Development Office Northwest Caribbean (USA). The office is located at Miami Beach. Contacted yesterday, Kanhai told Newsday she was “in-transit” and would issue a full statement later. However she added, “as a preliminary response, I would like to clarify that at no point did I change my testimony. The records of both the FIFA Ethics Committee and CAS will support such.” She also said her elevation to FIFA was not related.

“My start as development officer has no connection with the CAS appeal,” she said.

Warner quit his post as a FIFA vice-president as well as his post of president of the Caribbean Football Union (CFU) in June last year. During his tenure (1983 to 2011), Kanhai was CFU general secretary. In testimony before the Switzerland-based CAS, Kanhai said Warner was often referred to as “the boss”.

According to evidence before the CAS by CFU first vice-president Cheney Joseph said another CFU official Jason Sylvester told CFU officials who were presented with envelopes stuffed with cash on May 10, 2011, at the Hyatt that the money came from “the boss”.

“Another witness, Mr. Cheney, stated during the hearing that, when he was offered the gift, Mr Sylvester told him that the gift came from ‘the boss’, who at the time was Mr Warner.,” the panel noted. “During the hearing, Ms Kanhai confirmed that ‘the boss’ would generally be understood to refer to Mr Warner.”

The CAS said Kanhai could not account for why she changed her story on the eve of signing on to a new FIFA job.

“She was asked by the panel to explain why she had failed to mention to the CFU executive in her note of July 15, 2011, that Mr Bin Hammam was the source of the gifts, despite the fact that the Note was prepared shortly after the date in question, but had included that information in her second statement which was made much later in time,” the CAS said. “She was unable to give a satisfactory explanation, eventually stating: ‘I didn’t want to, I didn’t remember, I really don’t know, July 15th was quite a long time ago.’”

According to the ruling, Kanhai admitted before the CAS that there was a change in her statements. “When she was then asked ‘So what changed between July and February to cause you to take a different view?’, she replied ‘Nothing changed.’ When pushed, she did then say: ‘I accept that there is a change, yes, because there is obviously a change.’”

On balance, the panel rejected Kanhai’s claim that Warner told her the money came from Bin Hammam.

“Having regard to the totality of the record before it, the panel concludes to its comfortable satisfaction that the evidence shows that Mr. Warner did not tell anyone that the money had come from Mr. Bin Hammam before he addressed delegates on the morning of May 11,” it found. “The evidence indicates that until that time his statements indicated that the gifts were from the CFU.”

Warner’s evidence, too, was thrown out by the CAS because he gave contradictory evidence. The court found that he was an “unreliable witness” with a “detached relationship with the truth”. As the bulk of the case against Bin Hammam rested on statements from Warner, the court said it could not uphold the FIFA ban against Bin Hammam.

At the same time, the panel noted that FIFA dropped charges against Warner in circumstances where it was not necessary to do so, just months before Warner provided FIFA with evidence against Bin Hammam. The CAS noted that while it was likely Bin Hammam and Warner were in collaboration, the possibility that Bin Hammam did not know about Warner’s cash gifts could not be excluded.
 

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Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
« Reply #1788 on: July 28, 2012, 07:47:52 AM »
Jack mum on FIFA
By LAUREL V WILLIAMS (Newsday).
Saturday, July 28 2012


NATIONAL Security Minister Jack Warner will no longer be responding to questions about FIFA. He pointed out that the football organisation, was neither a country, nor a constituency.

Warner, who is the former vice-president of FIFA made the comments yesterday at Cacandee Road, in Felicity where General Maintenance and Services Limited and the Environment and Water Resources Ministry launched the state-of-the-art dredge.

“I am not prepared to answer anything on football. I have accepted my peace. FIFA has spoken, the courts have spoken. I have work to do here. FIFA is not a country. It is not a constituency. I am finished talking about FIFA and football. Ask me about politics, ask me about the Government, ask me about my constituency, about the dredge out there,” suggested Warner.

Recently the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS) published a written judgment about allegations of bribery against former FIFA presidential candidate, Mohammed Bin Hammam. It is alleged Bin Hammam had attempted to bribe Caribbean Football Union (CFU) officials at a meeting organised by Warner at the Hyatt Regency, Port-of-Spain on May 10, last year.

Meanwhile, referring to comments made by Opposition Leader, Dr Keith Rowley, about him not fulfilling promises made, Warner yesterday dismissed them as foolish talk. “Rowley said that I have made 29 promises. I have made many promises, but everyone I made I would keep. I ask him today to make one, to give Diego Martin West proper representation. My 30th promise to Rowley is that he would never become prime minister of TT,” Warner said.

Warner, the Member of Parliament for Chaguanas West, further said he had no intention of responding to comments made about him by Opposition MPs in particular Rowley, Fitzgerald Hinds, and Colm Imbert.

If you remove Jack Warner and Kamla Persad-Bissessar from their speeches, they have nothing to say. They would not say how they would improve the people’s lives in the country, about the losses and rape of the Treasury, and so on,” Warner said.

Yesterday’s launch of the dredge, Warner said, was to improve the lives of constituents by dredging the Madame Espaniol River in Felicity. All details about cost and other details about the dredging project, Warner referred to the Environment and Water Resources Ministry, saying he was at the launch in the capacity as MP for the area.

Addressing the gathering yesterday, Warner apologised for the absence of Environment and Water Resources Minister, Ganga Singh, who was scheduled to deliver the feature address saying he (Ganga) was also the acting Attorney General.

However, Warner criticised some councillors from the Chaguanas Borough Corporation for failing to attend the launch.

At 4.30 am yesterday, Warner said he was already in a meeting at Camp Cumuto, and saw high-tech equipment used to fight crime.

“I could do, but these councillors who are elected to serve the people cannot do it. In less than a year from now, they would have the vast majority of time in the world at their disposal and nothing to worry about. These are the same councillors who, when the local government called a meeting, many of them were absent,” Warner noted.

Admitting he was impressed with the crime fighting technology seen earlier yesterday morning, Warner promised to return last night again to see how it is working. He also promised to make a definite statement to the general public about it, after he consults the Prime Minister and Security Council.

Chaguanas Mayor, Orlando Nagessar, welcomed the decision to dredge the river saying there was a need to do so with especially with such technology. He was of the view the idea to do such a project came from Warner, who is former Works and Infrastructure Minister.

“He mentioned to us so many times that after he leaves office as MP for Chaguanas West, he wants this constituency to be the best in TT. He has been working toward this. His aim is to improve the lives of people in the community,” Nagessar said.

Councillor Falisha Isahak echoed similar sentiments about Warner, and the project. She added the project means the fishermen who use the river would soon be able to go at sea freely and return likewise.

“When the tide is very low, the fishermen have to get out of their pirogue and push it up the river to get back to the docking bay. That will no longer happen as the river would have a certain depth,” Warner added.

President of the Felicity\Charlieville Fishing Association, David Bachan said he had the privilege of working with Warner in the last general election and truly admired him.

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Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
« Reply #1789 on: July 29, 2012, 04:24:19 AM »
Jack ignores PNM’s calls to explain US$ bank account
By Rhonda Krystal Rambally (Guardian).


Opposition Senator Fitzgerald Hinds says National Security Minister Jack Warner’s refusal to respond to questions and concerns about an alleged US bank account in his name is a threat to the country’s democracy. Hinds likened Warner’s disregard to the 1990 coup attempt.

Last week, the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS) published its judgment surrounding allegations of bribery against former FIFA presidential candidate Mohamed Bin Hammam. The CAS found that Warner held a secret account that contained at least US$455,000.

On Friday, Warner told the media he was not prepared to answer any questions on football matters. He also knocked Hinds, PNM MP Colm Imbert and Opposition Leader Dr Keith Rowley for constantly criticising him. The PNM held its 16th General Council meeting yesterday at Balisier House, Port-of-Spain, which was followed by a press conference.

At the meeting, it was resolved that: “This general council roundly and wholly condemns the behaviour of Mr Jack Warner, MP, in respect of these matters and calls upon the Prime Minister to remove Mr Jack Warner from the Cabinet forthwith, in keeping with the protection of the public interest, the protection of the international image of Trinidad and Tobago and also in keeping with her Government’s promise of good governance.”

Rowley is expected to host a press conference at 11 am today to speak further on the matter. Hinds told the media the resolution called for the population to defend itself against “this serious threat” to good governance.

He said, “We consider his disregard as a threat to the democracy, the stability and the well-being of Trinidad and Tobago, just like the events of July 27, 1990. It’s as serious as that.” The PNM has made repeated calls for Warner’s removal as a government minister.
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Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
« Reply #1790 on: August 15, 2012, 09:43:49 AM »
Bin Hammam: Payments came out of personal accounts
DUBAI, United Arab Emirates, Wed Aug 15, 08:52 AM
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Mohamed bin Hammam said accusations he enriched his family and supporters while president of Asian soccer are politically motivated and that he plans to fight "this clear abuse of power and process at the hand of FIFA."

In a letter to 20 Asian associations, bin Hammam confirmed he made payments to soccer officials and others but said they came out of his own bank accounts and were driven by a desire to help those in need - including Zhang Jilong, the current AFC president who ordered the PriceWaterhouseCoopers audit that instigated the investigation by FIFA's ethics committee.

"Jilong was one of those who came to me for financial support and I helped him with a significant amount from my personal account," bin Hammam wrote. "I will leave him to explain the circumstances of this to you if he wishes."

The 63-year-old Qatari had a lifetime soccer ban overturned in court in July following allegations he bribed Caribbean voters when he challenged Sepp Blatter for the FIFA presidency.

The accusations in the PWC audit are the subject of separate investigations by the Asian Football Confederation and FIFA, but have been described by Bin Hammam as "a repeat of what FIFA did immediately before I stood against Mr. Blatter in the presidential elections last year."



 
"This, of course, is yet another attempt by Zurich through the infinite tools and power of FIFA to diminish and insult Asia's name by attacking me directly following the annulment of my previous FIFA ban by the Court of Arbitration for Sport," bin Hammam wrote.

When contacted by The Associated Press, bin Hammam's U.S.-based lawyer Eugene Gulland confirmed Tuesday that the letter written on AFC letterhead was authentic.

Bin Hammam's letter cites the names of five people from Bangladesh, Nepal and Kyrgyzstan whom he says he helped, including two who have since died of cancer, one who had open-heart surgery, another for tuition fees for a FIFA program, and the family of a 16-year-old from Nepal who died while playing soccer.

"Let me declare that as a human being with the personal means to help and coming from a culture and society where this is seen as a duty, I am proud of these accusations, and I welcome them," bin Hammam wrote.

The audit accuses bin Hammam of receiving millions of dollars from individuals linked to AFC contracts and spending tens of thousands on items such as a honeymoon, dental work, haircuts and cash payments for his family. Payments are alleged to have been made to Asian, African and Caribbean soccer officials, including $250,000 to Jack Warner, the former longtime head of Caribbean soccer.

Tens of thousands of dollars were given to federation presidents and their relatives, the audit claimed, adding that most of it went into their personal bank accounts and none of it was for soccer-related expenses.

According to the audit, Gaurav Thapa, whose father heads the Nepalese federation, received $100,000 while Filipino soccer official Jose Mari Martinez was given $60,000 and had $11,226 in hospital expenses paid. Another $50,000 went to East Timorese soccer official Francisco Kalbuadi Lay, the audit found.

The audit also said that a Bangladesh soccer federation spokesman received $25,000 for tuition expenses and that its general secretary was given $20,000 to cover the cost of cancer treatment.

The head of the Nepal federation has acknowledged his son took a $100,000 loan from bin Hammam while Bangladesh soccer officials also confirmed the payments. But Martinez could not be reached for comment and Lay has refused to discuss the payments.

Bin Hammam seemed offended that the federations had been dragged into his own investigation.

"Was it necessary for those who are behind the PWC report to dig the graves of the dead to achieve their political goals? Was it necessary to NOT respect their deaths?" bin Hammam wrote. "Was it necessary to humiliate their children and families in the way I believe that the PWC report has done? Are these our Asian ethics?"

The audit said some commercial rights contracts were no-bid deals that were "considerably undervalued," and that $14 million in total was paid from several companies to the AFC for the "personal use of its president."

Bin Hammam also attacked the AFC for hiring former FBI director Louis Freeh's agency in the probe despite its evidence in the case that was overturned being "heavily criticized in the CAS judgment" for relying on "speculation rather than fact."

"My legal team has filed an immediate response to the actions of the AFC and FIFA in relation to my latest politically motivated ban," he wrote. "I will announce further steps very shortly."

Bin Hammam, who helped Qatar win the right to stage the 2022 World Cup, was AFC president from 2002 until last year.

He is serving a 90-day ban so FIFA independent prosecutor Michael Garcia can examine the audit, ensuring Bin Hammam can't immediately return to office and denying him a seat at the FIFA executive committee when it next meets in Zurich on Sept. 27-28
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IRS investigates Warner’s CONCACAF legacy
« Reply #1791 on: September 07, 2012, 09:47:26 PM »
IRS investigates Warner’s CONCACAF legacy.
By Lasana Liburd (Wired868.com).


Concacaf president Jeffrey Webb confirmed on Thursday that the United States’ Internal Revenue Services (IRS), accounting firm BDO International and global legal company Sidley Austin LLP are working in tandem to scrutinize the legacy of his predecessor and Trinidad and Tobago’s National Security Minister Jack Warner.

The CONCACAF Executive was due to receive a report of these investigations at an extraordinary congress this month but Webb claimed that the scale of the operation has forced a postponement until the first quarter of 2013.

“This audit is a massive undertaking that will set our financial house straight and ensure that CONCACAF’s operations are executed in a responsible and ethical manner going forward,” said Webb, via a media release.

“This initiative was inspired by the new CONCACAF’s commitment to full accountability and transparency and it is essential that we get this right so we can move on to focus on our true purpose, the development of the game.”

Warner was CONCACAF president from 1991 to 2011 when he quit after being indicted by FIFA for allegedly facilitating the bribery of Caribbean Football Union (CFU) officials.

Webb, the 47-year-old former Cayman Islands Football Association (CIFA) president, replaced Warner at the CONCACAF helm in May while the 38-year-old Colombia-born Enrique Sanz, a former director at football marketing company Traffic, was named as the successor to outgoing general secretary Chuck Blazer.

It appears that Webb and the present CONCACAF Executive are not prepared to forgive and forget where Warner is concerned.

In a release to the CONCACAF member associations, Webb insisted that the confederation was still investigating the ownership of the João Havelange Centre of Excellence in Macoya.

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Re: IRS investigates Warner’s CONCACAF legacy
« Reply #1792 on: September 11, 2012, 10:19:24 AM »
Jack confuffles the Guardian
By Mr Live Wire (Wired868.com)

National Security Minister Jack Warner was up to his old Jedi mind tricks yesterday as he denied any suggestion that he was being investigated by the IRS and, possibly sensing the chance to rewrite history, added the bizarre claim that: “I have never faced a court or have enquiry against me. Nobody has accused me, I never take money from anybody pocket and I have no allegations of any kind.”
The Trinidad Guardian published Warner’s monologue without contradiction although he is currently under police investigation, a High Court Judge is insisting he be brought to court over his part in millions of missing World Cup revenue, FIFA indicted him as an accessory to bribery last year, he was named in several local multi-million lawsuits over the last two years including a successful suit by Khelwalaas Engineering for breach of contract and he was the target of a national Commission of Inquiry in 1990 over the 19 November 1989 World Cup ticket fiasco.
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Re: IRS investigates Warner’s CONCACAF legacy
« Reply #1793 on: September 11, 2012, 12:09:34 PM »
let them investigate. jack is a trini. they cyah do nothing if he money not in US banks.

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Re: IRS investigates Warner’s CONCACAF legacy
« Reply #1794 on: September 11, 2012, 01:17:06 PM »
let them investigate. jack is a trini. they cyah do nothing if he money not in US banks.

I could only roll my eyes at the misplaced focus sometimes... but right you are.  This is a non-story, the IRS has no jurisdiction over Jack... file this with the "Warner being investigated by FBI" stories.

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Re: IRS investigates Warner’s CONCACAF legacy
« Reply #1795 on: September 11, 2012, 03:55:20 PM »
let them investigate. jack is a trini. they cyah do nothing if he money not in US banks.

I could only roll my eyes at the misplaced focus sometimes... but right you are.  This is a non-story, the IRS has no jurisdiction over Jack... file this with the "Warner being investigated by FBI" stories.

So, if, for example, there was evidence of tax evasion or money laundering engineered by Warner, the IRS couldn't extradite him? I thought that the international money laundering laws were designed to cross borders? What about non payment of tax in T&T? You're only not taxed on income earned in USA by the IRS if that income has been taxed in your home nation. Just asking  ???

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Re: IRS investigates Warner’s CONCACAF legacy
« Reply #1796 on: September 11, 2012, 06:54:29 PM »
So, if, for example, there was evidence of tax evasion or money laundering engineered by Warner, the IRS couldn't extradite him? I thought that the international money laundering laws were designed to cross borders? What about non payment of tax in T&T? You're only not taxed on income earned in USA by the IRS if that income has been taxed in your home nation. Just asking  ???

1. Tax evasion (even assuming Jack is guilty of that) is not the same as money laundering.  Money laundering is, figuratively speaking, taking dirty money (ill-gotten gains; or derived from illegal sources) and 'washing' it thru a series of legitimate transactions.  Tax evasion is failure to pay taxes on taxable income, whether illegally derived or not.

2. Highly unlikely that any government would extradite (or seek extradition of) any individual for tax evasion.  Can't rule it out, but seems highly unlikely.

3. The IRS can tax anyone, on any income earned in the US, so yes, they can investigate any income Jack earned in the US.  By law they can only investigate the previous three tax years.  Jack has been out of football for the past year and a half... let alone earning money in the US (presumably thru his football activities).  So what period are they allegedly investigating?

It should be noted that the article says that the IRS is investigating CONCACAF... not Jack Warner.


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Re: IRS investigates Warner’s CONCACAF legacy
« Reply #1797 on: September 11, 2012, 09:33:10 PM »
So, if, for example, there was evidence of tax evasion or money laundering engineered by Warner, the IRS couldn't extradite him? I thought that the international money laundering laws were designed to cross borders? What about non payment of tax in T&T? You're only not taxed on income earned in USA by the IRS if that income has been taxed in your home nation. Just asking  ???

1. Tax evasion (even assuming Jack is guilty of that) is not the same as money laundering.  Money laundering is, figuratively speaking, taking dirty money (ill-gotten gains; or derived from illegal sources) and 'washing' it thru a series of legitimate transactions.  Tax evasion is failure to pay taxes on taxable income, whether illegally derived or not.

2. Highly unlikely that any government would extradite (or seek extradition of) any individual for tax evasion.  Can't rule it out, but seems highly unlikely.

3. The IRS can tax anyone, on any income earned in the US, so yes, they can investigate any income Jack earned in the US.  By law they can only investigate the previous three tax years.  Jack has been out of football for the past year and a half... let alone earning money in the US (presumably thru his football activities).  So what period are they allegedly investigating?

It should be noted that the article says that the IRS is investigating CONCACAF... not Jack Warner.



I did say tax evasion or money laundering!!  And perhaps I should have made it clear, I was referring to the possibility of someone laundering cash from CONCACAF or not declaring income from CONCACAF for taxation purposes.

Most nations have a dual taxation policy which allows a foreign national to pay tax in his own country if he chooses, providing they are domiciled there. However, that person must prove to the host nation that they are indeed paying tax on the money earned in the host nation. I'm a bit rusty with this now, but it is a common occurance with footballers playing overseas.

Typically, people pay tax in the host nation, particularly in UK where there is a Pay As You Earn system of taxation. However, people with multiple sources of income may prefer to pay one tax bill in their domiciled nation. Hence why multi millionaires become domiciled in tax havens such as Monaco or Cayman Isles. As with all tax issues, it is down to the individual to prove that taxes have been paid, which is simple if you have indeed, paid tax.

So, if you are domiciled in USA, thats where you pay tax, but if you live overseas but get paid by a company in USA (i.e. CONCACAF), you could elect to take a gross payment directly into your overseas bank account. However, if requested by IRS, you are obliged to provide proof that the income is taxed in your homeland.

I agree it is unlikely that the IRS would extradite over a relatively small amount of money, but the IRS is known to persue tax evaders who flee overseas, and most countries take it quite seriously, and I believe in China it carries the death penalty!

But the situation with Warner is a little different as it appears that there are many motivated parties who want to see him charged with something, so, who knows?

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Re: IRS investigates Warner’s CONCACAF legacy
« Reply #1798 on: September 11, 2012, 10:15:00 PM »
I did say tax evasion or money laundering!!  And perhaps I should have made it clear, I was referring to the possibility of someone laundering cash from CONCACAF or not declaring income from CONCACAF for taxation purposes.

Most nations have a dual taxation policy which allows a foreign national to pay tax in his own country if he chooses, providing they are domiciled there. However, that person must prove to the host nation that they are indeed paying tax on the money earned in the host nation. I'm a bit rusty with this now, but it is a common occurance with footballers playing overseas.

Typically, people pay tax in the host nation, particularly in UK where there is a Pay As You Earn system of taxation. However, people with multiple sources of income may prefer to pay one tax bill in their domiciled nation. Hence why multi millionaires become domiciled in tax havens such as Monaco or Cayman Isles. As with all tax issues, it is down to the individual to prove that taxes have been paid, which is simple if you have indeed, paid tax.

So, if you are domiciled in USA, thats where you pay tax, but if you live overseas but get paid by a company in USA (i.e. CONCACAF), you could elect to take a gross payment directly into your overseas bank account. However, if requested by IRS, you are obliged to provide proof that the income is taxed in your homeland.

I agree it is unlikely that the IRS would extradite over a relatively small amount of money, but the IRS is known to persue tax evaders who flee overseas, and most countries take it quite seriously, and I believe in China it carries the death penalty!

But the situation with Warner is a little different as it appears that there are many motivated parties who want to see him charged with something, so, who knows?

You did say "or"... and I'm telling you this is not a case of money laundering... shouldn't even be in the discussion as there is no suggestion of Jack coming by the money illegally and trying to 'wash' it.

As for dual taxation... there is no choice, you pay taxes based on where the income is earned. A footballer plying his trade in the UK pays British taxes, not TnT taxes. If Jack earned income in the US that's where he pays his taxes, not in TnT.  If he pays no taxes in the US then TnT may try to extract a share, but the US is the primary jurisdiction.

The IRS is unlikely to seek extradition (thru the Justice Department) on ANY tax case... unless it's some stratospheric amount.  It's just not worth the hassle... people are rarely prosecuted except in the most egregious cases.  The IRS has way more in its arsenal to collect back taxes than prosecution.

As for Warner... no one in the US government is interested in Jack Warner... his "crimes" just aren't a priority here in the US.  I'd be surprised if anybody outside of football even knows his name.
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Wired868 examines the audacity of Jack Warner
« Reply #1799 on: September 19, 2012, 01:44:16 PM »
Chants of a madman
By Kirk A Inniss (Wired868.com)


People woke up a few days ago to Jack Warner making some incredible comments. The social media pages were abuzz and if our country was any bigger we could have crashed servers with the video clip of the Minister of national Security featuring in yet another interview while managing to leave shame safely tucked away in the last decade.

However, he remains forever within the reach of scandal.

Notwithstanding his penchant for economy with the truth, it is difficult for Mr Warner to say something that actually surprises me. Like most of the country, I too am now almost immune to the disease caused by whatever new allegations he faces.  Almost immune.

And in that adverb, perhaps, lies a sad tale of how we have all evolved where Uncle Jack is concerned, an evolution which is both noteworthy and sad at the same time.

Now I have always been - and expect always to be - a firm believer in freedom of the press. Free press, yes, useless press, no, emphatically no!

An article that Michael Jordan is the best basketball player ever is to me useless press. Or writing that Lionel Messi is the best footballer the world has seen over the last three years. Or that the PP, the AG, the CoP or the MoNS does not now have a handle on violent crime. Completely useless, a waste of vital resources and, in my case, valuable morning time.

There is also the issue of useless advice.

To me, useless advice is a current West Indian cricketer talking about achieving success in difficult times. Or Abu Bakr recommending that the country focus on the negative effects of dangerous crimes. Or even Calder Hart lecturing UWI School of Business graduates on the need for transparency in the business sector.

Yet within three months’ time, a political lifetime I am told, Jack Warner has been at the centre of not one but two useless articles. Articles so useless I wouldn’t even use the paper they were printed on to wipe a dirty lamp shade.

Articles that are so crazy that even a lunatic certified by St. Ann’s might call them mad. I can sum up the way I felt about the front page article where Jack Warner accuses Orville London of poor money management and accounting practices within the THA in one word: useless.

And I can sum up Warner’s last rant about not being investigated by the IRS in three words: totally, totally useless.

Now I have no inside information about London’s handling of the THA’s money. But on his public record, I trust him infinitely more than I trust Warner.

Of course, ‘trust’ is used loosely here because London is a politician and only a fool or a madman does not know that at least in T&T ‘trustworthy politician' and 'competent policeman' fall into the same category. I trust my 5-year-old son to guard a litre of ice-cream and a spider-man character cake more than I trust Warner with a piggy-bank full of rusty one-cent coins.

In a sense, though, saying you trust someone more than you trust Jack Warner is itself useless because everyone knows you can’t trust him at all. Everyone, that is, except the Prime Minister and perhaps some members of the PP.

Two precious mornings of mine have been wasted reading articles about Jack Warner questioning London about money, spending and his accounting record, seeing Warner pelting stone like if he is without sin. I had to keep going back to both headlines ever so often to confirm that there was no mistake and it really was Jack himself making these comments.

Once or twice, I even checked the date, thinking maybe this was an April Fool’s joke or something. But I eventually came to the obvious conclusion: Jack Warner have more belly than a calabash and is such a low-down dirty s.o.b that he could even make Keenan Ivory Wayans blush.

Where morality is concerned, T&T, Jack Warner is way down the totem pole; right after Allen Sanford and just before the as-yet-unconvicted Calder Hart whose presumption of innocence is therefore also maintained. With his public record—the list is loooooooooooooooooong, starting in 1989—what gives him the right to question anyone’s money handling practices or integrity?

He is also the last person in T&T, maybe even on earth who can seriously claim that his public life is a blameless example of wonderful and trusting leadership. Ignorance may be bliss—temporarily!—but I am willing to bet that the IRS doesn’t accept that as a permanent excuse.

Hear Uncle Jack as he is quoted in one of the newspaper articles referred to above:
“For 48 years, you had a PNM government ruling T&T and they did not do in 48 years what we have done in less than 48 months. Why? And they are so bold-faced, they have prepared a THA document purporting to improve the political life of Tobagonians and one of the main things they have mentioned in it is that they must be given the right to fix their own salaries.”

Since this is neither a Maths nor a History lesson, I won’t bother to point out to the former history teacher that the PNM didn’t govern for 48 years. There are, after all, none so blind as those politicians who will not see. But I am glad to note that Uncle Jack was apparently appalled by the idea that the THA should have the right to fix their own salaries.

I mean, what type of lunacy is this? Are members of the THA trying to give FIFA competition?

And then there is this gem of a comment from Mr Suddenly-holier-than-thou:
“… corruption with public funds was rampant and was being used (sic) to enrich private citizens, houses were being given away with no transparency and cash donations were being made to all types of activities.”

I would give anything to have been present when Mr Jack Warner spoke this sentence and be able to see his expression. Did he keep a straight face? I couldn’t when I read it in the newspaper. Forget one calabash, try a thousand; the man put not only a capital G in gumption, he put all eight letters in capitals!

But the day must come when we tell politicians how we really feel and stop feeding the misconception that we are a senseless mob who can’t see through smoke screens, whole lies and half-truths.

Why else would Jack now care about Tobago? Why else would he offer to give useless information about Orville London’s money practices? What could have made Jack wake up on the right side of his bed and start believing that auditing is a necessity? Suddenly, just like that, he just get a ‘vaps?’

Why were good money handling procedures not an issue in the lead-up to—and the aftermath of—a certain November day over 20 years ago? How is it that record keeping was not on top of Mr Warner’s agenda regarding Haiti and the TTFA/TTFF and the 2006 World Cup and the money that is still outstanding to the Soca Warriors?

Where are the public records regarding his non-ownership’ of the Centre of Excellence and Simpaul Travel? Where are the truthful answers to questions about questionable business regarding World Cup tickets and contracts awarded during the Under-17 World Cup

And the beat goes on and on.

Jack Warner, meanwhile, seems determined to pay the piper so that he can call his own tune and continue to march to his own beat.

Day does only run, remember, until night ketch it and one day, one day congotay…

But there is worse.

Here, for those who missed it, is Minister of National Security and often Acting Prime Minister Jack Warner in yet another useless interview where he is never asked anything that really matters and evidently continues to think that pulling wool over T&T people’s eyes and taking candy from a baby are one and the same thing.

Ah mean, as the late Keith Smith would say, why else would he think that he can say this and not cause everyone to simply hold they belly and start laughing hysterically?

“I have never faced a court or have an enquiry against me. Nobody has accused me, I never take money from anybody pocket and I have no allegations of any kind.”

As I heard that comment, I was forced to wonder just how Jack Warner really sees the citizens of this country, to ask myself what he really thinks about the voting public. I was also forced to wonder about the country’s journalists, who sit or stand so much in awe or in fear of the man that is Jack Warner that they cannot find the heart or the courage to ask one basic question that would immediately expose the utter absurdity of the claim and underline for all to see the man’s amazing propensity for economy with the truth.

And the questions recurred when I read the report in the press the next day. Wouldn’t it have been wonderful for the journalist(s) to remind Jack of his laundry list of questionable financial affairs? Wouldn’t it have been easy for the article in question to take the time to point out that Jack’s claim of ignorance is not a valid excuse?

I also couldn’t help but wonder about those in authority and about which leader is going to have the courage—or to take another perspective, the folly—to finally hold Warner accountable for something bigger than a breach of contract.

The same article that carried that last priceless quote had Mr Warner taking the time to add this:
“I am sad that we are allowing ourselves to be the laughing stock of the world.”

For once and only this once, I agree 100% with him. Because when I had first heard his my-hands-are-clean comment on the television, the background music that came loudly out of nowhere into my head through my ears was David Rudder’s “Chant of a Madman.”

Jack Warner, I found myself thinking, is either a complete lunatic who is simply waiting on his room assignment and the arrival of a strait-jacket from St. Ann’s.

Or maybe we all are.

The writer of this piece thinks that Calder Hart and Jack Warner will make good All-Fours partners. And maybe fellow inmates too, not necessarily at St Ann’s…

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