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Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
« Reply #990 on: June 24, 2011, 05:01:29 PM »
FIFA Power Broker Is Out After Years of Whispers.
By JERÉ LONGMAN and DOREEN CARVAJAL
Published: June 20, 2011
NY Times.


(Page 1 of 4)

Jack Warner commands headlines nearly every day in this Caribbean nation, known simply by his first name in his highly visible if conflicting roles as energetic public servant and now disgraced soccer power broker.

As a member of Trinidad and Tobago’s Parliament and its minister of works and transport, Warner appears ubiquitous, holding news conferences, hugging children and cutting ribbons at road openings, promising warehouse workers that they will soon have proper toilet facilities and dressing rooms. One recent poll named Warner the country’s most popular minister. At times, he has served as the acting prime minister. Some believe he would like the position full time.

For nearly three decades, Warner, 68, has also been a powerful but polarizing figure in regional and international soccer circles. On Monday, he resigned his positions as the vice president of FIFA, soccer’s world governing body, and as the president of soccer’s North American, Central American and Caribbean region, known as Concacaf.

He had been accused in a bribery scheme involving as much as $1 million and had been suspended from all soccer activities, charged with trying to manipulate FIFA’s presidential election June 1. His critics have long contended that Warner epitomized FIFA’s lack of accountability and transparency, reflected its outsized sense of entitlement, used soccer to enrich himself and his family and retaliated against those who opposed him.

He had endured a number of scandals through the years before stepping down Monday. He declined repeated requests for interviews in recent days and did not respond to questions submitted via e-mail. He continued to deny any wrongdoing in a statement Monday, saying he believed, “I would be fully exonerated by any objective arbiter.”

What apparently forced Warner’s hand was a preliminary investigation by FIFA’s ethics committee that was “pretty damning,” said a high-ranking regional soccer official who spoke on the condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak publicly. “Maybe he realized there was no way out.”

FIFA said Monday it had closed its ethics inquiry, which was conducted by the investigative agency of the former F.B.I. director Louis Freeh. FIFA also said that “the presumption of innocence was maintained.” The announcement brought widespread accusations that FIFA was trying to smother further revelations of wrongdoing as it faces tremendous international pressure to repair its tattered image.

“This shows that FIFA can’t be trusted to run their own investigation,” said Damian Collins, a member of Britain’s Parliament who has been investigating FIFA corruption. “This demonstrates that they have totally failed. This means we will never know the truth about what happened.”

The bribery allegations have also affected Warner’s political career. Under pressure from opposition leaders in Parliament, the Trinidad and Tobago Police Service has requested information from FIFA regarding the allegations. Opposition leaders have demanded an investigation to determine if the money used for reported bribe attempts came from outside the country and whether any customs laws were violated.

“There is no middle ground; you are either for Mr. Warner or against Mr. Warner,” said Brian Lewis, the honorary secretary general of the Trinidad and Tobago Olympic Committee. “His constituents think he is the best M.P. in history. His capacity for work is legendary. He’s known for giving to charity and insisting it not be publicized. He’s done a lot for football. Some others say: ‘Big criminals do the same thing. He’s getting his just desserts. He’s a scam, a fraud, always has been.’ ”

The bribery allegations stemmed from a meeting here on May 10 and 11 at the Hyatt Regency Hotel. The election for president of FIFA was three weeks away. Sepp Blatter, a Swiss, was running for a fourth term. His opponent was Mohamed bin Hammam of Qatar, the president of soccer’s Asian confederation, who had come here to pitch his candidacy to soccer officials from 25 Caribbean countries.

(Page 2 of 4)

As the president of Concacaf, the regional governing body, Warner controlled 35 of the 208 votes that would be made for FIFA’s presidency. He had announced that Concacaf would vote as a bloc (although the United States said it would vote independently).

“Mr. Blatter always knew that Warner was an embarrassment, but he had 35 votes,” said John McBeth, a former president of the Scotland soccer federation who accused Warner of once asking him to write a $75,000 check directly to Warner as payment for an exhibition match between Scotland and Trinidad and Tobago.

At the Hyatt meeting in May, however, Warner was not accused of asking for money. Instead, he was charged with offering $40,000 to Caribbean officials on behalf of Bin Hammam with the understanding that they would vote for Bin Hammam over Blatter. It is not known if the same offer was made to each Caribbean official. Some, though, became uncomfortable with the offer of money. According to FIFA’s ethics rules, “accepting gifts of cash in any amount or form is prohibited.”

One those who grew concerned was Fred Lunn, the vice president of the Bahamas soccer federation, according to two regional soccer officials who spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the bribery investigation. Lunn filed an affidavit describing the incident, the officials said. Details of the affidavit were first reported by The Telegraph and The Daily Mail newspapers of London.

According to the affidavit, Lunn was handed an envelope in a conference room at the Hyatt on May 10. Upon opening it, he found $40,000 inside. He contacted Anton Sealey, the president of the Bahamas soccer federation, who told him that “under no circumstances” was he to keep the money. Lunn photographed the stacks of $100 bills and returned the cash.

The next day, May 11, Warner told the Caribbean officials the gift had come from Bin Hammam and could be used at their discretion, Lunn said in the affidavit.

An Investigation Begins
 
Chuck Blazer, an American who sits on FIFA’s executive committee and is Concacaf’s general secretary, was informed about the cash offers. For two decades, Blazer and Warner had been close allies. They had grown Concacaf from a nearly insolvent regional governing body to one with a yearly income averaging $40 million and headquarters in Trump Tower in New York. Now, the partnership fractured.

An investigation ensued at Blazer’s request. Bin Hammam dropped his candidacy for FIFA’s presidency, and he and Warner were suspended from all soccer activities. On June 1, Blatter was re-elected unopposed.

Blazer declined to speak for this article. In a brief interview last month, he said that to his knowledge, no one had paid for a vote in his 21 years as a high-ranking Concacaf official.

Warner’s resignation was a precipitous fall for the region’s most powerful soccer figure, one who rose from a poor boyhood to help orchestrate Trinidad and Tobago’s only appearance in the World Cup in 2006, making it the smallest nation (population 1.3 million) to qualify for the world’s most popular sporting event.

Trinidad and Tobago’s prime minister, Kamla Persad-Bissessar, a political ally of Warner’s, has stood by him, calling him “a son of the soil.” And he remains extremely popular in his political district, Chaguanas West, where Warner is celebrated for opening his office at dawn and helping the poor, sometimes out of his own pocket from a fortune built on travel, security, hotels and other businesses. Some of his constituents have complained that Warner was being persecuted by a Eurocentric organization because he was black, a notion he has not disavowed.

“He has a reputation as a doer, helping the dispossessed,” said Rita Pemberton, who is the head of the history department at the University of the West Indies in St. Augustine, Trinidad. “He has made the front pages of the newspapers, helping this one and that one — people whose houses were falling or dilapidated — and adopting children, the kinds of things that win you support at the ground level.”

(Page 3 of 4)

Yet, Warner’s soccer achievements have frequently been tempered by accusations that he has flouted FIFA’s rules of ethical behavior. At a British parliamentary hearing in May, David Triesman, who formerly headed England’s unsuccessful bid to host the 2018 World Cup, said that Warner had asked for $4 million to build an education center in Trinidad and $800,000 to purchase television rights to show the 2010 World Cup in earthquake-torn Haiti.

An independent investigation said it could not substantiate that Warner asked for the money for the education center to be funneled through him. The investigation also said that Triesman later learned that Warner already owned the World Cup television rights for Haiti. Blatter cleared Warner of wrongdoing.

While Australia bid for the 2022 World Cup — it was eventually awarded to Qatar last December — bidders spent lavishly on Warner, said Bonita Mersiades, a former head of corporate and public affairs for the Australian soccer federation. Only the 24 members of FIFA’s executive committee would vote on the World Cup bid, so each vote was considered critical. It was believed that Warner might also be able to influence Africa’s four votes on the executive committee.

Mersiades said that the Australian bid team spent $2,500 in 2009 on a single-drop pearl necklace for Warner’s wife, Maureen, that appeared to be above the allowance permitted by FIFA. (Other wives of FIFA executive committee members previously received similar pearl jewelry). Bidders also spent $250,000 to $300,000 to pay for an under-20 youth national soccer team from Trinidad and Tobago to play a 2009 tournament in Cyprus, Mersiades said. She said she understood that the money was paid through a travel agency that lists Warner and his family as directors.

Kevin Rudd, then Australia’s prime minister, was also dispatched to visit Warner in Trinidad during the bid, Mersiades said. Rudd was prepared to bring Warner an expensive bottle of wine, she said, but was warned by an Australian bid official with close ties to Warner that this was considered a disgrace and that a case of wine would be a more sufficient gift.

“One would think that Jack Warner was more important than our prime minister,” Mersiades said. She said she was fired from the Australian soccer federation in 2010 after complaining about the way its World Cup bid was operating and treating Warner.

“He is like a politician who is not particularly interested in connecting with people,” she said. “He saw himself as more important than anyone, including an ambassador hosting an event.”

FIFA said last year that it was investigating whether the pearls violated its World Cup bidding guidelines that gifts should be of symbolic or incidental value. The outcome of the inquiry was not clear. In 2009, Warner returned a $400 handbag given to his wife by England’s 2018 World Cup bid team, saying that news media comments about the gift had “resulted in the tainting of her character and mine.”

His relationship with soccer in Trinidad and Tobago often has been contentious since Nov. 19, 1989, when the island nation faced the United States in an important qualifying match for the 1990 World Cup. All Trinidad and Tobago needed was a draw to qualify, but the United States won, 1-0, reaching the World Cup for the first time in 40 years.

Defeat was compounded locally by the discovery that Warner, as the general secretary of the Trinidad and Tobago soccer federation, had oversold the permitted allotment of 28,500 tickets at Hasley Crawford Stadium. Nearly 35,000 people crammed into the stadium and thousands could not get in, creating a situation in which the aisles were packed and some people fainted.

Gally Cummings, who coached Trinidad and Tobago in that 1989 match, said that Warner asked him to say publicly that the game was not oversold. Cummings said that he declined — “The place was packed like sardines; if we had had an emergency, a lot of people would have died” — and that in retaliation, Warner had him fired and has since prevented him from getting a number of professional coaching jobs in the Caribbean.

Last year, Cummings filed a grievance against Warner with the Equal Opportunity Commission, alleging discrimination, but said the case appeared to be going nowhere.

(Page 4 of 4)

“He selects players, coaches, administration,” Cummings, who now coaches at the University of Trinidad and Tobago, said. “Once you’re in opposition, it’s over for you.”

After the ticket incident, Warner resigned his position as the general secretary of the Trinidad and Tobago soccer federation; in 1990, he became the president of Concacaf, the regional governing body. Until Monday, he was officially a special adviser to the Trinidad federation, though Warner was widely considered to have remained in charge.

Disagreements Over Pay

For the last five years, the Trinidad federation and Warner have been in a legal tangle with a group of players over bonuses owed from their appearance in the 2006 World Cup.

The players said that Warner agreed to pay them 50 percent of the commercial revenue that the Trinidad federation earned from the country’s appearance in soccer’s global championship. Afterward, the players said they were offered only $600 apiece. The case went to arbitration and ended up in Trinidad and Tobago’s High Court, where the players won. Last month, a preliminary payment of $1.1 million was made to be split among 13 players (others had previously settled).

Another hearing on the case is set for Tuesday. The players contend they are owed at least $3 million more and have asked to see the federation’s financial books, so far unsuccessfully.

“There has never been any sort of accountability and transparency as far as the revenues the football federation brings in; no one has any real idea,” said Shaka Hislop, a former goalkeeper who has led the players’ case. “It’s absolutely farcical that it has gone on for so long.”

The 2006 World Cup also brought another embarrassing moment for Warner. A series of articles in The Express newspaper of Trinidad and The Daily Mail of London revealed that Simpaul Travel, a travel agency owned by the Warner family, controlled World Cup tickets in Trinidad and offered them for sale at an extensive markup in travel packages, while also selling travel packages at inflated prices to matches involving England, Mexico and Japan.

Private minutes of a December 2006 meeting of FIFA’s executive committee indicate that a son of Warner’s, Daryan Warner, was fined about $1 million, only $250,000 of which had been repaid, for his role in the ticketing operation. Details of the fine were first reported in “Foul: The Secret World of FIFA” by the British investigative journalist Andrew Jennings. It is not known if the remainder of the fine was repaid or forgiven.

Nor is it likely to be known after Warner’s resignation the full extent of what he did to try to influence the outcome of FIFA’s recent presidential election.

“FIFA must continue to investigate allegations against Warner,” said Oliver Fowler, a co-founder of ChangeFIFA, a reform group. “To stop only raises more awkward questions and doubts.”

Jeré Longman reported from Port of Spain, Trinidad, and Doreen Carvajal from Paris.
« Last Edit: June 24, 2011, 05:10:11 PM by Flex »
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Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
« Reply #991 on: June 24, 2011, 10:50:03 PM »
FIFA Power Broker Is Out After Years of Whispers.
By JERÉ LONGMAN and DOREEN CARVAJAL
Published: June 20, 2011
NY Times.


(Page 1 of 4)

Jack Warner commands headlines nearly every day in this Caribbean nation, known simply by his first name in his highly visible if conflicting roles as energetic public servant and now disgraced soccer power broker.

As a member of Trinidad and Tobago’s Parliament and its minister of works and transport, Warner appears ubiquitous, holding news conferences, hugging children and cutting ribbons at road openings, promising warehouse workers that they will soon have proper toilet facilities and dressing rooms. One recent poll named Warner the country’s most popular minister. At times, he has served as the acting prime minister. Some believe he would like the position full time.

For nearly three decades, Warner, 68, has also been a powerful but polarizing figure in regional and international soccer circles. On Monday, he resigned his positions as the vice president of FIFA, soccer’s world governing body, and as the president of soccer’s North American, Central American and Caribbean region, known as Concacaf.

He had been accused in a bribery scheme involving as much as $1 million and had been suspended from all soccer activities, charged with trying to manipulate FIFA’s presidential election June 1. His critics have long contended that Warner epitomized FIFA’s lack of accountability and transparency, reflected its outsized sense of entitlement, used soccer to enrich himself and his family and retaliated against those who opposed him.

He had endured a number of scandals through the years before stepping down Monday. He declined repeated requests for interviews in recent days and did not respond to questions submitted via e-mail. He continued to deny any wrongdoing in a statement Monday, saying he believed, “I would be fully exonerated by any objective arbiter.”

What apparently forced Warner’s hand was a preliminary investigation by FIFA’s ethics committee that was “pretty damning,” said a high-ranking regional soccer official who spoke on the condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak publicly. “Maybe he realized there was no way out.”

FIFA said Monday it had closed its ethics inquiry, which was conducted by the investigative agency of the former F.B.I. director Louis Freeh. FIFA also said that “the presumption of innocence was maintained.” The announcement brought widespread accusations that FIFA was trying to smother further revelations of wrongdoing as it faces tremendous international pressure to repair its tattered image.

“This shows that FIFA can’t be trusted to run their own investigation,” said Damian Collins, a member of Britain’s Parliament who has been investigating FIFA corruption. “This demonstrates that they have totally failed. This means we will never know the truth about what happened.”

The bribery allegations have also affected Warner’s political career. Under pressure from opposition leaders in Parliament, the Trinidad and Tobago Police Service has requested information from FIFA regarding the allegations. Opposition leaders have demanded an investigation to determine if the money used for reported bribe attempts came from outside the country and whether any customs laws were violated.

“There is no middle ground; you are either for Mr. Warner or against Mr. Warner,” said Brian Lewis, the honorary secretary general of the Trinidad and Tobago Olympic Committee. “His constituents think he is the best M.P. in history. His capacity for work is legendary. He’s known for giving to charity and insisting it not be publicized. He’s done a lot for football. Some others say: ‘Big criminals do the same thing. He’s getting his just desserts. He’s a scam, a fraud, always has been.’ ”

The bribery allegations stemmed from a meeting here on May 10 and 11 at the Hyatt Regency Hotel. The election for president of FIFA was three weeks away. Sepp Blatter, a Swiss, was running for a fourth term. His opponent was Mohamed bin Hammam of Qatar, the president of soccer’s Asian confederation, who had come here to pitch his candidacy to soccer officials from 25 Caribbean countries.

(Page 2 of 4)

As the president of Concacaf, the regional governing body, Warner controlled 35 of the 208 votes that would be made for FIFA’s presidency. He had announced that Concacaf would vote as a bloc (although the United States said it would vote independently).

“Mr. Blatter always knew that Warner was an embarrassment, but he had 35 votes,” said John McBeth, a former president of the Scotland soccer federation who accused Warner of once asking him to write a $75,000 check directly to Warner as payment for an exhibition match between Scotland and Trinidad and Tobago.

At the Hyatt meeting in May, however, Warner was not accused of asking for money. Instead, he was charged with offering $40,000 to Caribbean officials on behalf of Bin Hammam with the understanding that they would vote for Bin Hammam over Blatter. It is not known if the same offer was made to each Caribbean official. Some, though, became uncomfortable with the offer of money. According to FIFA’s ethics rules, “accepting gifts of cash in any amount or form is prohibited.”

One those who grew concerned was Fred Lunn, the vice president of the Bahamas soccer federation, according to two regional soccer officials who spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the bribery investigation. Lunn filed an affidavit describing the incident, the officials said. Details of the affidavit were first reported by The Telegraph and The Daily Mail newspapers of London.

According to the affidavit, Lunn was handed an envelope in a conference room at the Hyatt on May 10. Upon opening it, he found $40,000 inside. He contacted Anton Sealey, the president of the Bahamas soccer federation, who told him that “under no circumstances” was he to keep the money. Lunn photographed the stacks of $100 bills and returned the cash.

The next day, May 11, Warner told the Caribbean officials the gift had come from Bin Hammam and could be used at their discretion, Lunn said in the affidavit.

An Investigation Begins
 
Chuck Blazer, an American who sits on FIFA’s executive committee and is Concacaf’s general secretary, was informed about the cash offers. For two decades, Blazer and Warner had been close allies. They had grown Concacaf from a nearly insolvent regional governing body to one with a yearly income averaging $40 million and headquarters in Trump Tower in New York. Now, the partnership fractured.

An investigation ensued at Blazer’s request. Bin Hammam dropped his candidacy for FIFA’s presidency, and he and Warner were suspended from all soccer activities. On June 1, Blatter was re-elected unopposed.

Blazer declined to speak for this article. In a brief interview last month, he said that to his knowledge, no one had paid for a vote in his 21 years as a high-ranking Concacaf official.

Warner’s resignation was a precipitous fall for the region’s most powerful soccer figure, one who rose from a poor boyhood to help orchestrate Trinidad and Tobago’s only appearance in the World Cup in 2006, making it the smallest nation (population 1.3 million) to qualify for the world’s most popular sporting event.

Trinidad and Tobago’s prime minister, Kamla Persad-Bissessar, a political ally of Warner’s, has stood by him, calling him “a son of the soil.” And he remains extremely popular in his political district, Chaguanas West, where Warner is celebrated for opening his office at dawn and helping the poor, sometimes out of his own pocket from a fortune built on travel, security, hotels and other businesses. Some of his constituents have complained that Warner was being persecuted by a Eurocentric organization because he was black, a notion he has not disavowed.

“He has a reputation as a doer, helping the dispossessed,” said Rita Pemberton, who is the head of the history department at the University of the West Indies in St. Augustine, Trinidad. “He has made the front pages of the newspapers, helping this one and that one — people whose houses were falling or dilapidated — and adopting children, the kinds of things that win you support at the ground level.”

(Page 3 of 4)

Yet, Warner’s soccer achievements have frequently been tempered by accusations that he has flouted FIFA’s rules of ethical behavior. At a British parliamentary hearing in May, David Triesman, who formerly headed England’s unsuccessful bid to host the 2018 World Cup, said that Warner had asked for $4 million to build an education center in Trinidad and $800,000 to purchase television rights to show the 2010 World Cup in earthquake-torn Haiti.

An independent investigation said it could not substantiate that Warner asked for the money for the education center to be funneled through him. The investigation also said that Triesman later learned that Warner already owned the World Cup television rights for Haiti. Blatter cleared Warner of wrongdoing.

While Australia bid for the 2022 World Cup — it was eventually awarded to Qatar last December — bidders spent lavishly on Warner, said Bonita Mersiades, a former head of corporate and public affairs for the Australian soccer federation. Only the 24 members of FIFA’s executive committee would vote on the World Cup bid, so each vote was considered critical. It was believed that Warner might also be able to influence Africa’s four votes on the executive committee.

Mersiades said that the Australian bid team spent $2,500 in 2009 on a single-drop pearl necklace for Warner’s wife, Maureen, that appeared to be above the allowance permitted by FIFA. (Other wives of FIFA executive committee members previously received similar pearl jewelry). Bidders also spent $250,000 to $300,000 to pay for an under-20 youth national soccer team from Trinidad and Tobago to play a 2009 tournament in Cyprus, Mersiades said. She said she understood that the money was paid through a travel agency that lists Warner and his family as directors.

Kevin Rudd, then Australia’s prime minister, was also dispatched to visit Warner in Trinidad during the bid, Mersiades said. Rudd was prepared to bring Warner an expensive bottle of wine, she said, but was warned by an Australian bid official with close ties to Warner that this was considered a disgrace and that a case of wine would be a more sufficient gift.

“One would think that Jack Warner was more important than our prime minister,” Mersiades said. She said she was fired from the Australian soccer federation in 2010 after complaining about the way its World Cup bid was operating and treating Warner.

“He is like a politician who is not particularly interested in connecting with people,” she said. “He saw himself as more important than anyone, including an ambassador hosting an event.”

FIFA said last year that it was investigating whether the pearls violated its World Cup bidding guidelines that gifts should be of symbolic or incidental value. The outcome of the inquiry was not clear. In 2009, Warner returned a $400 handbag given to his wife by England’s 2018 World Cup bid team, saying that news media comments about the gift had “resulted in the tainting of her character and mine.”

His relationship with soccer in Trinidad and Tobago often has been contentious since Nov. 19, 1989, when the island nation faced the United States in an important qualifying match for the 1990 World Cup. All Trinidad and Tobago needed was a draw to qualify, but the United States won, 1-0, reaching the World Cup for the first time in 40 years.

Defeat was compounded locally by the discovery that Warner, as the general secretary of the Trinidad and Tobago soccer federation, had oversold the permitted allotment of 28,500 tickets at Hasley Crawford Stadium. Nearly 35,000 people crammed into the stadium and thousands could not get in, creating a situation in which the aisles were packed and some people fainted.

Gally Cummings, who coached Trinidad and Tobago in that 1989 match, said that Warner asked him to say publicly that the game was not oversold. Cummings said that he declined — “The place was packed like sardines; if we had had an emergency, a lot of people would have died” — and that in retaliation, Warner had him fired and has since prevented him from getting a number of professional coaching jobs in the Caribbean.

Last year, Cummings filed a grievance against Warner with the Equal Opportunity Commission, alleging discrimination, but said the case appeared to be going nowhere.

(Page 4 of 4)

“He selects players, coaches, administration,” Cummings, who now coaches at the University of Trinidad and Tobago, said. “Once you’re in opposition, it’s over for you.”

After the ticket incident, Warner resigned his position as the general secretary of the Trinidad and Tobago soccer federation; in 1990, he became the president of Concacaf, the regional governing body. Until Monday, he was officially a special adviser to the Trinidad federation, though Warner was widely considered to have remained in charge.

Disagreements Over Pay

For the last five years, the Trinidad federation and Warner have been in a legal tangle with a group of players over bonuses owed from their appearance in the 2006 World Cup.

The players said that Warner agreed to pay them 50 percent of the commercial revenue that the Trinidad federation earned from the country’s appearance in soccer’s global championship. Afterward, the players said they were offered only $600 apiece. The case went to arbitration and ended up in Trinidad and Tobago’s High Court, where the players won. Last month, a preliminary payment of $1.1 million was made to be split among 13 players (others had previously settled).

Another hearing on the case is set for Tuesday. The players contend they are owed at least $3 million more and have asked to see the federation’s financial books, so far unsuccessfully.

“There has never been any sort of accountability and transparency as far as the revenues the football federation brings in; no one has any real idea,” said Shaka Hislop, a former goalkeeper who has led the players’ case. “It’s absolutely farcical that it has gone on for so long.”

The 2006 World Cup also brought another embarrassing moment for Warner. A series of articles in The Express newspaper of Trinidad and The Daily Mail of London revealed that Simpaul Travel, a travel agency owned by the Warner family, controlled World Cup tickets in Trinidad and offered them for sale at an extensive markup in travel packages, while also selling travel packages at inflated prices to matches involving England, Mexico and Japan.

Private minutes of a December 2006 meeting of FIFA’s executive committee indicate that a son of Warner’s, Daryan Warner, was fined about $1 million, only $250,000 of which had been repaid, for his role in the ticketing operation. Details of the fine were first reported in “Foul: The Secret World of FIFA” by the British investigative journalist Andrew Jennings. It is not known if the remainder of the fine was repaid or forgiven.

Nor is it likely to be known after Warner’s resignation the full extent of what he did to try to influence the outcome of FIFA’s recent presidential election.

“FIFA must continue to investigate allegations against Warner,” said Oliver Fowler, a co-founder of ChangeFIFA, a reform group. “To stop only raises more awkward questions and doubts.”

Jeré Longman reported from Port of Spain, Trinidad, and Doreen Carvajal from Paris.

Very good article summarising the full scenario with Warner so far!!  :thumbsup:
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Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
« Reply #992 on: June 25, 2011, 04:25:23 AM »
I used to think that this man actually knew what he was doing and every thing was going according to plan, sort of like a great conniving strategist, but nothing was further from the truth.

the truth is , after watching this man for five yrs (thanx to the SWO) i  have arrived @ the conclusion that this fella is the quintessential dunce.

imagine a man who's worth a small fortune persist in nickle and dimming time after time after time and getting caught with his hands in the cookie every time. i would think after so many failed attempt a man would come to the conclusion that this particular genre was not suited for him and would make adjustments/ take a different road, but no not jack, he persisted in his ways until he fell on his own sword.

why did i not see this all along, ah mean all the evidence was there. first the simpaul thing, then the scotish FA controversy, then the black list which he eventually recanted on throwing T&T football back 10 yrs after such a great achievement, then the court case which he lost and in the process brought a lot of unwanted "negative" attention to himself and FIFA, the lord treisman thing, the world cup bid failed promises and now this bribery charges.

and yuh know what's so sad about it, i thought the man would rise to the top every time like cream, not knowing that the fella would be shot down instead.

where did i get this evil genius image of jack warner ? the man who would beat the odds and come out on top every time. i must need my head examined , BC right now the man batting average is in the dustbin. realistically, to tell you the truth the man reminds me more of dick dastardly than anything else, always runnin scam and in the end it blowing up in his face.

i actually believed this man knew what he was doing, from blacklisting the players to bribing the CFU members, when in reality the fella didn't have a single solitary clue! :puking:
« Last Edit: June 25, 2011, 04:35:08 AM by just cool »
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Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
« Reply #993 on: June 25, 2011, 06:02:29 AM »

the truth is , after watching this man for five yrs (thanx to the SWO) i  have arrived @ the conclusion that this fella is the quintessential dunce.


JC boy, if it were not for this forum I too would have been in the dark about the depth of Warner's shenanigans.  I knew the guy was shady eh, but geez and ages when you real all the info on here is enuff to make yuh  :puking:  for true!!

i actually believed this man knew what he was doing, from blacklisting the players to bribing the CFU members, when in reality the fella didn't have a single solitary clue!

Btw, ketch yuh self eh.  Jack is ah boss!!  :devil: ;D
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Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
« Reply #994 on: June 25, 2011, 06:41:51 PM »
Warner walks the plank – But is FIFA any cleaner for it?
By Lasana Liburd (playthegame).


Former FIFA Vice-President Jack Warner is gone for good from the corridors of football power in Zurich, Switzerland. His former deputy, CONCACAF General Secretary Chuck Blazer, now calls the shots in the most populous confederation of the western hemisphere.

And Sepp Blatter remains FIFA President—a position he held since June 1998. There is a fourth figure involved and he is the suspended Asian Football Confederation (AFC) President Mohamed Bin Hammam.

Ostensibly, the 62-year-old Bin Hammam should be the key to this disgraceful scenario. It was his trip to Port of Spain, Trinidad and Tobago, via private jet on May 10—two days after his birthday—that sparked one of FIFA's worse scandals.

The Qatari millionaire stunned the football world by masterminding an unlikely success for his homeland, Qatar, as they beat United States, South Korea, Japan and Australia for the right to host the 2022 World Cup in a campaign that climaxed on December 2, 2010. A month later, he was re-elected unopposed as AFC President and, in March, turned his attention and considerable resources to the FIFA throne.

Bin Hammam supported Blatter in his 1998 and 2002 presidential campaigns although relations between the pair seemed strained at one point. The FIFA President supposedly backed Bahrain's Sheikh Salman bin Ebrahim Al Khalifa's attempt to unseat the Qatari from the FIFA Executive Committee in 2009. Bin Hammam won by just two votes.

Still, last August, as the World Cup bid campaign entered its final lap, Bin Hammam vowed not to challenge his "very good friend" for the top FIFA post.

"I will be backing him to remain in office for a new mandate," said Bin Hammam.
But, buoyed by his increased profile within the "FIFA family", he was not true to his word. His subsequent demise, just two months later, was as sudden as it was brutal.

The Qatari, according to sworn affidavits from at least four Caribbean administrators, turned up with a suitcase full of cash—estimates suggest as much as US$1 million—with the intention of buying votes for the presidential election. FIFA General Secretary Jerome Valcke, in an earlier email to Warner, suggested that Bin Hammam had "bought" the 2022 World Cup and spoke in disparaging terms about his new campaign.

And he was indeed found to be out of his depth. Formally charged by the FIFA's Ethics Committee for bribery, he withdrew his candidacy, a week before the elections, and Blatter was returned unopposed.

The next Ethics Committee meeting, which will study the report provided by ex-FBI Director Louis Freeh in late June or early July, should provide closure to the bribery case and the evidence appears damning.

But there are two stories here—not just the one. And, in the second, the ambitious Qatari was a helpless pawn.

The sideshow

When Warner, a Trinidad and Tobago MP, announced that his homeland would host Bin Hammam and afford him the chance to woo the Caribbean Football Union (CFU); anyone with a passing knowledge of football politics might have expected lavish gifts. Blazer, like the rest of North and Central America, was not invited.

Earlier that month, Bin Hammam did not turn up for the CONCACAF congress where Blatter made a timely presentation of developmental money for the Confederation. Warner, who is usually a vocal supporter of the President, declined to endorse the 75-year-old Swiss until he had heard from Bin Hammam.

But his subsequent meeting with the Qatari at the Port of Spain's Hyatt Hotel was a scandal and, six weeks later, continues to earn front and back page headlines.

So what went wrong?
 
A puzzle, as journalist and author Malcolm Gladwell suggested in "What The Dog Saw", is solved by gathering more information. But a surfeit of evidence can be counter-productive in deciphering a mystery. Analysis and not volume is now the key.

Bin Hammam initially scoffed at the bribery charge as a political "tactic" while Warner insisted he was "hung out to dry" and a victim of his accusers' "hypocrisy". Representatives from Grenada, Barbados, Antigua, Jamaica and Dominica declared that they were not "bribed".

On the other hand, Bahamas Football Association (BFA) Vice-President Fred Lunn claimed he was offered US$40,000 in cash at the Hyatt. CFU official Jason Sylvester offered the envelope on Bin Hammam's behalf. Lunn was not sure what he should do. So he took the money to his hotel room, arranged it into neat piles, took photographs and consulted with BFA President Anton Sealy, by telephone, before returning the cash.

Sealy, who claimed to be outraged, did not call his Caribbean counterpart, Warner, to complain. Instead, he phoned Warner's employee and friend, Blazer.

Blazer said he was "stunned" that Warner would risk CONCACAF's reputation with such tawdry behaviour. So, he had attorney John Collins investigate and then passed on the findings to FIFA General Secretary, Valcke.

Blatter claimed to have no knowledge of Blazer's investigation, which obviously boosted his chances of retaining his post, until the information reached FIFA's headquarters. Warner, Bin Hammam, Sylvester along with CFU official Debbie Minguell were charged.

Bin Hammam, intriguingly, countered that Warner informed Blatter beforehand that there would be cash payments so the President was also in breach of FIFA's moral code by failing to report this to the Ethics Committee.

Blatter admitted Warner told him about the agenda but said he advised him that it was "a bad idea" and did not know that the money was subsequently distributed. Warner denied that conversation ever happened.

So who is lying?

Perhaps, everybody is.

Most honest people offered unlawful money instinctively raise their palms towards the offending party and attempt a swift exit. They do not sign for the money and take it into a quiet corner to practise their photography. Not unless they are informants anyway.

Should old acquaintance be forgot?

Blazer is supposedly Warner's close aide and, as it turned out, Warner continued to feel that way until the super-sized American drew a dagger.

In Warner's second biography, penned just five years ago, Blazer declared that the Trinidadian was the best man for the role of FIFA President. Warner was investigated, in 1990, for turning Trinidad's National Stadium into a death trap by selling over 35,000 tickets for a ground meant to hold 23,000 for a crucial World Cup qualifier in 1989. At the same time as this public inquiry, Blazer was teaming up with Warner to run for CONCACAF General Secretary and President respectively and he stood by his side as the allegations of corruption, some proven, flowed over the years.

So why would Sealy telephone Blazer?
 
No Caribbean official ever challenged Warner without being swiftly chucked out of football. The actions of Sealy and Lunn would appear more logical if Blazer promised them protection beforehand.

But Blazer did not have the clout to provide such an assurance at the time. Warner had survived several trips to the Executive Committee before and returned unscathed. The American would need to believe that this charge would yield a different outcome.

Blatter, by his own admission, knew in advance that Warner and Bin Hammam were considering throwing bundles of cash around. And Blazer was best placed to find out if it actually happened. So were both men being honest when they denied a secret pact took place?

And the Caribbean delegates who tell a different story of the Port of Spain meeting?

You say "tomato", I say "tomatoe"; you say "bribe", I say "gift". Was it just wordplay?

When FIFA sent Warner a copy of the preliminary report and Trinidad and Tobago's Police Commissioner declared that the football body's findings would be the basis for a legal case in Trinidad—money laundering carries a jail term there of up to 15 years—the flamboyant Vice-President swiftly handed in his resignation.

He had previously sneered that "Blatter must be stopped" and threatened to hit FIFA with a "tsunami". In the end, though, he declared that Blatter was still a "friend" and meekly slid away with a pension estimated to be worth as much as £23,000 per year while FIFA closed their investigation into him.

The unanswered question, not found in the affidavits or leaks, is "why". Why did Blazer and Blatter turn their backs on Warner after a political relationship that spanned 21 years without a hint of discord?

But no mystery worth its salt fails to leave the odd, tantalising question as the credits roll.

Dominican FA President Patrick John claimed, in a radio interview, that Blazer was unhappy that Warner voted for Qatar to host the 2022 World Cup while the Trinidadian himself suggested that Blazer felt he "should have done more" to help the USA bid.

The World Cup bid is done by secret ballot so was John guessing which way Warner voted? Or did the former CONCACAF President confide in him?

Sealy was overlooked for a place on the CFU Executive Committee this year with Guyanese official, Colin Klass, promoted instead. Did the Bahamian feel that a change at the top would better his own career outlook?

Blazer acted unconstitutionally by trying to insert Honduran Alfredo Hawitt as acting CONCACAF President, above Barbadian Lisle Austin, within hours of Warner's suspension. Austin forced his way into the chair but then publicly announced his intention to audit the Confederation and was immediately suspended by CONCACAF and FIFA.

Austin won a court injunction against his suspension in Bahamas, where CONCACAF is registered, but FIFA ignored it and threatened further discipline for getting the courts involved.

Same old FIFA

Was Blazer seeking more control all along and was there anything in CONCACAF's accounting books that might spell trouble for him and FIFA?

And was Blatter really innocent of the sting at the Hyatt? If not, was his motive to eliminate a challenger or to punish treachery? Or was Blatter, in his last term as FIFA President, merely disposing of a political ally that he no longer needed and whose brass had needlessly increased the vitriol directed at the organisation?

The stream of information leaked to the media suggests an open and shut bribery case that is nearing an inevitable conclusion.

Jack Warner, allegedly a latter-day "Pirate of the Caribbean", was made to walk the plank. But his demise was anything but a simple affair and had precious little to do with morality.

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Roberts to resign if Warner found guilty
« Reply #995 on: June 25, 2011, 07:27:42 PM »
Roberts to resign if Warner found guilty
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Sports Minister Anil Roberts has said he would resign from the People's Partnership Government if his cabinet colleague Works and Transport Minister Jack Warner, is found guilty of corruption while he was vice-president of FIFA.
 
Mr. Warner resigned from all international football posts last week, amid investigations into alleged corruption in football's world-governing body.
 
Mr. Roberts said as COP political leader, he would not make a decision to remove 200,000 members of the party from government because of his own moral concerns.
 
"Unless an investigation comes and the facts show that Minister Warner was culpable in any unethical, immoral or corrupt act, and then the prime minister chooses not to act, we will then in the Cabinet suggest very strongly that she does act. If she fails to act then my personal decision will be to resign."
 
Anil Roberts' declaration came during the latest COP leadership election debate, held Friday night in Tunapuna.
He also insisted that he never received any financial assistance from Mr. Warner.
 
"I'm not hungry. I was very successful on TV with the most-watched programme with the most sponsors. The (highest) rated radio show. I was also a columnist and the best (swim) coach the Caribbean has ever seen. So I do not require any financial assistance from anybody at anytime."
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Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
« Reply #996 on: June 25, 2011, 07:39:30 PM »
Anil like he borrow some ah dat "testicular fortitude" back from Kamliar or what?  Bold talk.

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« Reply #997 on: June 25, 2011, 07:54:54 PM »
"Unless an investigation comes and the facts show that Minister Warner was culpable in any unethical, immoral or corrupt act, and then the prime minister chooses not to act, we will then in the Cabinet suggest very strongly that she does act. If she fails to act then my personal decision will be to resign."

Now I'm almost hoping Jack is found guilty and Kamla keeps him   :rotfl:

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« Reply #998 on: June 25, 2011, 08:11:09 PM »
Good article by Lasana... and great job of connecting the dots.  However, not content with being efficient- and accurate, he decides to reach in a couple places, something which has always plagued his reporting. 

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When FIFA sent Warner a copy of the preliminary report and Trinidad and Tobago's Police Commissioner declared that the football body's findings would be the basis for a legal case in Trinidad—money laundering carries a jail term there of up to 15 years—the flamboyant Vice-President swiftly handed in his resignation.

The suggestion here is that Warner ostensibly could be found guilty of money-laundering, or at least that is one of the punitive liabilities he's exposed himself to.  Perhaps Lasana might care to follow up by explaining that implied allegation.  What is the illegal source of the money that would give rise to a charge of money laundering?  Or is he also unaware that bribery is not a crime?

Then one a less substantial level we have this little nugget:

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A puzzle, as journalist and author Malcolm Gladwell suggested in "What The Dog Saw", is solved by gathering more information. But a surfeit of evidence can be counter-productive in deciphering a mystery. Analysis and not volume is now the key.

I wish he would leave these unnecessary attempts at flourish, which more often than not fall flat on their face... and just focus with the investigative reporting.  If analysis and not "volume" of evidence is the key then why the gratuitous Gladwell reference?  Yuh want we to know yuh does read books?  Okay... here's yuh cookie.  steups

At any rate... that's more a quibble, good investigative work in the making.  Keep up the pressure... and bring to light what the international press (for their fixation on Warner) fails to see... the hand of the puppeteer Blazer at work in the background.

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Re: Roberts to resign if Warner found guilty
« Reply #999 on: June 25, 2011, 09:21:27 PM »
Roberts to resign if Warner found guilty
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Sports Minister Anil Roberts has said he would resign from the People's Partnership Government if his cabinet colleague Works and Transport Minister Jack Warner, is found guilty of corruption while he was vice-president of FIFA.
 
Mr. Warner resigned from all international football posts last week, amid investigations into alleged corruption in football's world-governing body.
 
Mr. Roberts said as COP political leader, he would not make a decision to remove 200,000 members of the party from government because of his own moral concerns.
 
"Unless an investigation comes and the facts show that Minister Warner was culpable in any unethical, immoral or corrupt act, and then the prime minister chooses not to act, we will then in the Cabinet suggest very strongly that she does act. If she fails to act then my personal decision will be to resign."
 
Anil Roberts' declaration came during the latest COP leadership election debate, held Friday night in Tunapuna.
He also insisted that he never received any financial assistance from Mr. Warner.
 
"I'm not hungry. I was very successful on TV with the most-watched programme with the most sponsors. The (highest) rated radio show. I was also a columnist and the best (swim) coach the Caribbean has ever seen. So I do not require any financial assistance from anybody at anytime."
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Re: Roberts to resign if Warner found guilty
« Reply #1000 on: June 26, 2011, 05:26:48 AM »
Roberts to resign if Warner found guilty
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Sports Minister Anil Roberts has said he would resign from the People's Partnership Government if his cabinet colleague Works and Transport Minister Jack Warner, is found guilty of corruption while he was vice-president of FIFA.
 
Mr. Warner resigned from all international football posts last week, amid investigations into alleged corruption in football's world-governing body.
 
Mr. Roberts said as COP political leader, he would not make a decision to remove 200,000 members of the party from government because of his own moral concerns.
 
"Unless an investigation comes and the facts show that Minister Warner was culpable in any unethical, immoral or corrupt act, and then the prime minister chooses not to act, we will then in the Cabinet suggest very strongly that she does act. If she fails to act then my personal decision will be to resign."
 
Anil Roberts' declaration came during the latest COP leadership election debate, held Friday night in Tunapuna.
He also insisted that he never received any financial assistance from Mr. Warner.
 
"I'm not hungry. I was very successful on TV with the most-watched programme with the most sponsors. The (highest) rated radio show. I was also a columnist and the best (swim) coach the Caribbean has ever seen. So I do not require any financial assistance from anybody at anytime."

Great news....

Anil, yuh stinking mudda cornhoax !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
« Reply #1001 on: June 26, 2011, 06:15:55 AM »
Bakes.....

I generally do not like the best letter in your posts.....but regarding JW suspension and the furore and rhetoric that followed, you have been quite nifty in your comments, even appearing to defend the boss at times. So much so, that I didnt see the necessity in posting as you had already addressed the issues as I may have...only in a grammatically inferior manner
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Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
« Reply #1002 on: June 26, 2011, 07:38:50 AM »
Bakes ... how Warner son roughing yuh up so??

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« Reply #1003 on: June 26, 2011, 07:58:40 AM »
Think the unthinkable
By Raffique Shah (T&T Express)


LAST December, after the FIFA voted on hosts for the 2018 and 2022 football World Cup, I wrote a column in which I suggested that Jack Warner might have exposed Trinidad and Tobago to negative fallouts in international relations because of the perception that he had reneged on promises made to the US and Great Britain.

Several persons commented that what I suggested amounted to "tatah". Why would the US, our biggest trading partner, and Britain, with whom we have had historic ties, even consider their failed World Cup bids as cause for retaliatory action? In any event, why the hell should these two countries think they had some inherent right to host the biggest sporting event? Didn't the other countries that bid—Belgium, the Netherlands, Portugal, Spain, Russia, Australia, Japan, Qatar and Korea—have equal rights in the eyes of the sporting world?

I agreed with some of the points my critics raised. Indeed, I agreed with Warner when he pointed out that Britain, which hosted and won the Cup in 1966, should ask why no European country voted for it. And the US, which has hosted four of 24 Summer Olympics since 1896, as well as the 1994 World Cup, should also not believe that "might is right" in sports, as it appears to be in politics and war.

My argument then was not whether these two powerful countries deserved to be hosts of the Cup, although, from the standpoints of crowd attendance and television coverage, both would be ahead of most other countries. My main point was that Warner had wined and dined and met with some of the most powerful people from these countries prior to the controversial vote on December 2. Among them were David Beckham, who visited Trinidad, and HRH Prince William and Prime Minister David Cameron, in Zurich on the eve of the vote.

Earlier, in November 2009, Warner and Sepp Blatter had met with President Obama at the White House. In Zurich, Warner said that "the CONCACAF fraternity would vote together". And he alluded to the US being a member of that fraternity.

So when the FIFA 22-man executive voted for Russia and Qatar to host the 2018 and 2022 finals, there was a perception that he had jilted two powerful and very influential suitors who had wooed him prior to the vote. The USA did not openly express its disappointment, but Britain did. I warned then that there could be repercussions for Warner if he had actually made commitments, and, by extension, for our country, if there was the feeling that someone who often acts as Prime Minister, did not honour his word.

Much of what ensued—the allegations of bribery at the Hyatt, claims of attempted bribery made before a British Parliamentary Committee, summons to appear before the FIFA Ethics Committee, suspension and resignation—can be linked, directly or indirectly, to that controversial vote in Zurich. Then, Warner thought he was omnipotent. He savaged the British. And more recently, he made some very uncomplimentary remarks about America when he refused to appear before an investigative team headed by an ex-FBI officer.

Now, he is learning the hard way that while the FIFA is a very powerful body, there are forces out there infinitely more powerful than the football overlords. This matter is far from finished. In fact, it has only just begun. Influential British politicians are pushing the now-cornered Blatter to pursue allegations of corruption against Warner even though he has resigned from the many positions he held. By snubbing the FBI investigator, he is adding to his perceived sins, at least in the eyes of the power brokers in Washington.

As recently as last May, Jamaica's Energy and Mining Minister, James Robertson, had his US visa revoked by the State Department, based on allegations that he was involved in a murder-for-hire plot. Robertson stoutly denied the allegations, made by an asylum-seeker from St Thomas. He nevertheless resigned from Bruce Golding's Cabinet—to allow investigations into the charges to proceed unhindered.

Here, calls for Warner to step down from his ministerial post while the scandal rages, even intensifies, have met with resistance from him. He has vowed to stay on as Minister of Works. Most of his Cabinet colleagues are backing him. In the UNC, of which he is chairman, support for him staying on as "the hardest working minister" is almost unanimous. Against this groundswell, Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar is hardly likely to take decisive action. She would maintain the status quo and hope that the many controversies that now dog Warner would blow away.

They will not. Warner was not exonerated from allegations of corruption as both he and his attorney, Om Lalla, claim. FIFA dropped the charges after he resigned, which, not coincidentally, came after he received the damning report of FIFA's Ethics Committee. In other words, as Trinis would say, "Take in front before in front take you."

What all those who are rallying behind Warner fail to heed is that the long arms of London and Washington are also vengeful tentacles. I shall not be surprised if the State Department revokes Warner's visa. Many might ask: so what? After all, Warner has seen too much of America, and most of the rest of the world anyway, as he frequently boasts.

That point is valid only to those who seek "frequent flyer miles". This man has acted as Prime Minister, and may well do so again. Imagine, people, headlines screaming: Trinidad PM arrested in US! Unthinkable? Think again.
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Warner walks the plank – But is FIFA any cleaner for it?
By Lasana Liburd (playthegame).


Former FIFA Vice-President Jack Warner is gone for good from the corridors of football power in Zurich, Switzerland. His former deputy, CONCACAF General Secretary Chuck Blazer, now calls the shots in the most populous confederation of the western hemisphere.

And Sepp Blatter remains FIFA President—a position he held since June 1998. There is a fourth figure involved and he is the suspended Asian Football Confederation (AFC) President Mohamed Bin Hammam.

Ostensibly, the 62-year-old Bin Hammam should be the key to this disgraceful scenario. It was his trip to Port of Spain, Trinidad and Tobago, via private jet on May 10—two days after his birthday—that sparked one of FIFA's worse scandals.

The Qatari millionaire stunned the football world by masterminding an unlikely success for his homeland, Qatar, as they beat United States, South Korea, Japan and Australia for the right to host the 2022 World Cup in a campaign that climaxed on December 2, 2010. A month later, he was re-elected unopposed as AFC President and, in March, turned his attention and considerable resources to the FIFA throne.

Bin Hammam supported Blatter in his 1998 and 2002 presidential campaigns although relations between the pair seemed strained at one point. The FIFA President supposedly backed Bahrain's Sheikh Salman bin Ebrahim Al Khalifa's attempt to unseat the Qatari from the FIFA Executive Committee in 2009. Bin Hammam won by just two votes.

Still, last August, as the World Cup bid campaign entered its final lap, Bin Hammam vowed not to challenge his "very good friend" for the top FIFA post.

"I will be backing him to remain in office for a new mandate," said Bin Hammam.
But, buoyed by his increased profile within the "FIFA family", he was not true to his word. His subsequent demise, just two months later, was as sudden as it was brutal.

The Qatari, according to sworn affidavits from at least four Caribbean administrators, turned up with a suitcase full of cash—estimates suggest as much as US$1 million—with the intention of buying votes for the presidential election. FIFA General Secretary Jerome Valcke, in an earlier email to Warner, suggested that Bin Hammam had "bought" the 2022 World Cup and spoke in disparaging terms about his new campaign.

And he was indeed found to be out of his depth. Formally charged by the FIFA's Ethics Committee for bribery, he withdrew his candidacy, a week before the elections, and Blatter was returned unopposed.

The next Ethics Committee meeting, which will study the report provided by ex-FBI Director Louis Freeh in late June or early July, should provide closure to the bribery case and the evidence appears damning.

But there are two stories here—not just the one. And, in the second, the ambitious Qatari was a helpless pawn.

The sideshow

When Warner, a Trinidad and Tobago MP, announced that his homeland would host Bin Hammam and afford him the chance to woo the Caribbean Football Union (CFU); anyone with a passing knowledge of football politics might have expected lavish gifts. Blazer, like the rest of North and Central America, was not invited.

Earlier that month, Bin Hammam did not turn up for the CONCACAF congress where Blatter made a timely presentation of developmental money for the Confederation. Warner, who is usually a vocal supporter of the President, declined to endorse the 75-year-old Swiss until he had heard from Bin Hammam.

But his subsequent meeting with the Qatari at the Port of Spain's Hyatt Hotel was a scandal and, six weeks later, continues to earn front and back page headlines.

So what went wrong?
 
A puzzle, as journalist and author Malcolm Gladwell suggested in "What The Dog Saw", is solved by gathering more information. But a surfeit of evidence can be counter-productive in deciphering a mystery. Analysis and not volume is now the key.

Bin Hammam initially scoffed at the bribery charge as a political "tactic" while Warner insisted he was "hung out to dry" and a victim of his accusers' "hypocrisy". Representatives from Grenada, Barbados, Antigua, Jamaica and Dominica declared that they were not "bribed".

On the other hand, Bahamas Football Association (BFA) Vice-President Fred Lunn claimed he was offered US$40,000 in cash at the Hyatt. CFU official Jason Sylvester offered the envelope on Bin Hammam's behalf. Lunn was not sure what he should do. So he took the money to his hotel room, arranged it into neat piles, took photographs and consulted with BFA President Anton Sealy, by telephone, before returning the cash.

Sealy, who claimed to be outraged, did not call his Caribbean counterpart, Warner, to complain. Instead, he phoned Warner's employee and friend, Blazer.

Blazer said he was "stunned" that Warner would risk CONCACAF's reputation with such tawdry behaviour. So, he had attorney John Collins investigate and then passed on the findings to FIFA General Secretary, Valcke.

Blatter claimed to have no knowledge of Blazer's investigation, which obviously boosted his chances of retaining his post, until the information reached FIFA's headquarters. Warner, Bin Hammam, Sylvester along with CFU official Debbie Minguell were charged.

Bin Hammam, intriguingly, countered that Warner informed Blatter beforehand that there would be cash payments so the President was also in breach of FIFA's moral code by failing to report this to the Ethics Committee.

Blatter admitted Warner told him about the agenda but said he advised him that it was "a bad idea" and did not know that the money was subsequently distributed. Warner denied that conversation ever happened.

So who is lying?

Perhaps, everybody is.

Most honest people offered unlawful money instinctively raise their palms towards the offending party and attempt a swift exit. They do not sign for the money and take it into a quiet corner to practise their photography. Not unless they are informants anyway.

Should old acquaintance be forgot?

Blazer is supposedly Warner's close aide and, as it turned out, Warner continued to feel that way until the super-sized American drew a dagger.

In Warner's second biography, penned just five years ago, Blazer declared that the Trinidadian was the best man for the role of FIFA President. Warner was investigated, in 1990, for turning Trinidad's National Stadium into a death trap by selling over 35,000 tickets for a ground meant to hold 23,000 for a crucial World Cup qualifier in 1989. At the same time as this public inquiry, Blazer was teaming up with Warner to run for CONCACAF General Secretary and President respectively and he stood by his side as the allegations of corruption, some proven, flowed over the years.

So why would Sealy telephone Blazer?
 
No Caribbean official ever challenged Warner without being swiftly chucked out of football. The actions of Sealy and Lunn would appear more logical if Blazer promised them protection beforehand.

But Blazer did not have the clout to provide such an assurance at the time. Warner had survived several trips to the Executive Committee before and returned unscathed. The American would need to believe that this charge would yield a different outcome.

Blatter, by his own admission, knew in advance that Warner and Bin Hammam were considering throwing bundles of cash around. And Blazer was best placed to find out if it actually happened. So were both men being honest when they denied a secret pact took place?

And the Caribbean delegates who tell a different story of the Port of Spain meeting?

You say "tomato", I say "tomatoe"; you say "bribe", I say "gift". Was it just wordplay?

When FIFA sent Warner a copy of the preliminary report and Trinidad and Tobago's Police Commissioner declared that the football body's findings would be the basis for a legal case in Trinidad—money laundering carries a jail term there of up to 15 years—the flamboyant Vice-President swiftly handed in his resignation.

He had previously sneered that "Blatter must be stopped" and threatened to hit FIFA with a "tsunami". In the end, though, he declared that Blatter was still a "friend" and meekly slid away with a pension estimated to be worth as much as £23,000 per year while FIFA closed their investigation into him.

The unanswered question, not found in the affidavits or leaks, is "why". Why did Blazer and Blatter turn their backs on Warner after a political relationship that spanned 21 years without a hint of discord?

But no mystery worth its salt fails to leave the odd, tantalising question as the credits roll.

Dominican FA President Patrick John claimed, in a radio interview, that Blazer was unhappy that Warner voted for Qatar to host the 2022 World Cup while the Trinidadian himself suggested that Blazer felt he "should have done more" to help the USA bid.

The World Cup bid is done by secret ballot so was John guessing which way Warner voted? Or did the former CONCACAF President confide in him?

Sealy was overlooked for a place on the CFU Executive Committee this year with Guyanese official, Colin Klass, promoted instead. Did the Bahamian feel that a change at the top would better his own career outlook?

Blazer acted unconstitutionally by trying to insert Honduran Alfredo Hawitt as acting CONCACAF President, above Barbadian Lisle Austin, within hours of Warner's suspension. Austin forced his way into the chair but then publicly announced his intention to audit the Confederation and was immediately suspended by CONCACAF and FIFA.

Austin won a court injunction against his suspension in Bahamas, where CONCACAF is registered, but FIFA ignored it and threatened further discipline for getting the courts involved.

Same old FIFA

Was Blazer seeking more control all along and was there anything in CONCACAF's accounting books that might spell trouble for him and FIFA?

And was Blatter really innocent of the sting at the Hyatt? If not, was his motive to eliminate a challenger or to punish treachery? Or was Blatter, in his last term as FIFA President, merely disposing of a political ally that he no longer needed and whose brass had needlessly increased the vitriol directed at the organisation?

The stream of information leaked to the media suggests an open and shut bribery case that is nearing an inevitable conclusion.

Jack Warner, allegedly a latter-day "Pirate of the Caribbean", was made to walk the plank. But his demise was anything but a simple affair and had precious little to do with morality.

Meet the new FIFA, same as the old one.

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Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
« Reply #1006 on: June 27, 2011, 04:52:26 AM »
CAPTION THIS... - Jack and Jill ?....  :devil:

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« Reply #1007 on: June 27, 2011, 06:48:00 AM »
Roberts to resign if Warner found guilty
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Sports Minister Anil Roberts has said he would resign from the People's Partnership Government if his cabinet colleague Works and Transport Minister Jack Warner, is found guilty of corruption while he was vice-president of FIFA.
 
Mr. Warner resigned from all international football posts last week, amid investigations into alleged corruption in football's world-governing body.
 
Mr. Roberts said as COP political leader, he would not make a decision to remove 200,000 members of the party from government because of his own moral concerns.
 
"Unless an investigation comes and the facts show that Minister Warner was culpable in any unethical, immoral or corrupt act, and then the prime minister chooses not to act, we will then in the Cabinet suggest very strongly that she does act. If she fails to act then my personal decision will be to resign."
 
Anil Roberts' declaration came during the latest COP leadership election debate, held Friday night in Tunapuna.
He also insisted that he never received any financial assistance from Mr. Warner.
 
"I'm not hungry. I was very successful on TV with the most-watched programme with the most sponsors. The (highest) rated radio show. I was also a columnist and the best (swim) coach the Caribbean has ever seen. So I do not require any financial assistance from anybody at anytime."

That Lede makes no sense with the rest of the article.

So what Anil is saying is that Warner never gave him monehy or sponsored Spalk.

You mean all that ass licking cam voluntarilly - with no incentive - WOW!!!  ::)

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Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
« Reply #1008 on: June 28, 2011, 08:49:58 PM »
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Expert: There are laws to get ‘goods’ on Warner
Published: Wed, 2011-06-29
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Former FIFA vice president and Works Minister Jack Warner’s surprising exit from international football last week came after bribery allegations surfaced in Asian Football Federation head Mohammed Bin Hammam’s failed FIFA presidential bid. But had he not quit his FIFA post, Warner would have been found guilty of corruption said a member of FIFA’s Ethics Committee, Sondre Kaafjord. There has been growing calls for Warner to step down from his ministerial post as it remains unclear what his involvement, if any, in the bribery allegations. Following is a look at the laws to consider as T&T’s law enforcement officers have not exercised their full rights in pursuit of the  case, says a senior lawyer who has been following the matter and has asked not to be identified.


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Police Commissioner Dwayne Gibbs is stalling justice if he’s simply waiting for a letter from Federation of International Football Associations (FIFA) to ascertain whether there was criminal activity in T&T’s shores by former FIFA executive and Works Minister, Jack Warner. The T&T Guardian was told that Gibbs took an  “overly simplistic” approach in writing FIFA to assist T&T’s Police Service (TTPS) when the laws of T&T gave him power to pursue the case beyond T&T’s shores. Gibbs, under pressure from Opposition Leader Dr Keith Rowley, wrote to FIFA two weeks ago but the T&T Guardian was informed that he was yet to receive an official response. But the laws of T&T make provisions for the Police Commissioner or the Attorney General to request and obtain information on Warner’s hosting of a meeting with Asian football head Mohammned bin Hammam, in his quest for FIFA presidency, and the Caribbean Football Union (CFU) meeting which took place on May 10-11 at the Hyatt, Trinidad.

The T&T Guardian understands that AG Anand Ramlogan, could have requested information from other Commonwealth and non-Commonwealth countries through the Central Authority, a unit within his ministry that deals with mutual legal assistance requests and extradition matters. This power, the T&T Guardian learned, is to be found in the Mutual Assistance in Criminal Matters Act, 1997 (as amended) Chapter 11:24 of the Laws of the Republic of Trinidad and Tobago. Section 3 (1) states: “Subject to sub-section (2), the Attorney General shall be Central Authority.” A letter of request from T&T’s Central Authority can be transmitted to a Central Authority in another jurisdiction which has the same legislation. the Guardian was informed. Section 7 of the same Act, titled Requests by Trinidad and Tobago to Commonwealth Countries for Assistance. gives either the AG or Gibbs power to pursue investigations of Warner beyond T&T shores to international countries, if need be.

Section 7 reads: “Where there are reasonable grounds to believe that evidence or information relevant to any criminal proceedings may be obtained, if, in a Commonwealth country: (a) Evidence is taken from any person; (b) information is provided; (c) judicial records, official records or other records, or documents or other articles are produced or examined; (d) samples of any matter or thing are taken, examined or tested; and, (e) any building, place or thing is viewed of photographed, request may be transmitted requesting that assistance be given by that country in so obtaining the evidence or information.” “This Act gives Commissioner Gibbs the authority to interview any members of the CFU if he wants. He doesn’t have to wait on FIFA correspondence or a FIFA report, he can be proactive,” a legal source explained to the T&T Guardian.

Further, Sections 33E (8) and 33 (F) of the Mutual Assistance in Criminal Matters Act, gives way for evidence obtained legally abroad to be admissible in T&T’s courts. This, the T&T Guardian was told, is supplemented by Section 15B of the Evidence (Amendment) Act 2007. It states: “In any criminal proceedings, evidence of criminal conduct which may be contained in a document may be admissible in evidence if the document, (a) is the best or only evidence of that conduct which is alleged by the prosecution; and, (b) is obtained by or under the hand of the Attorney General in any matter related to mutual legal co-operation pursuant to the Mutual Assistance in Criminal Matters Act, 1997. The T&T Guardian understands this method of gathering evidence was used in the Basdeo Panday matter, in Piarco (No. 2) preliminary enquiry of businessmen Ishwar Galbaransingh and Steve Fergurson and former Minister of Energy, Finbar Ganga. When it comes to exploring where the US currency was obtained for bin Hammam’s $40,000 cash payout to CFU members from local banks, provisions are made under Section 3 (1) of the Financial Intelligence Unit of Trinidad and Tobago Regulations, 2011.

It allows the Director of the FIU to request financial information from a financial institution or listed business by written request. “Where the director makes a request under sub-regulation (1), the financial institution or listed business shall respond to the request within seven working days of the receipt of the request for information,” states Section 3(2). The T&T Guardian understands the FIU could have sought assistance of the local banks in obtaining the bank records of Warner before May 10. In addition, under the Integrity in Public Life Act, Warner was expected to list all his accounts to the Integrity Commission, which should make access easier, the T&T Guardian was informed. If the money didn’t come from T&T, then it can be assumed that it came into T&T,” a source explained. Warner resigned from FIFA and as president of CONCACAF and the Caribbean Football Union (CFU) on June 20 and was officially stripped of the tranport part of his ministerial portfolio last Sunday. Dr Rowley has called for Gibbs to press on with investigating whether the laws of T&T were broken despite Warner’s resignation and his leaving FIFA “presumed innocent.”

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« Reply #1009 on: June 28, 2011, 09:38:16 PM »
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Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
« Reply #1010 on: June 28, 2011, 10:35:47 PM »
Now over to Bakes!   ;)

Remember that lawyer who wishes to remain unidentified is not a legal expert like Bakes is but has taken the trouble to quote relevant T&T laws that can be used by Gibbs to pursue his investigation when as most predict FIFA may refuse to co-operate wth his request for information!
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« Reply #1011 on: June 29, 2011, 12:35:26 AM »
Now over to Bakes!   ;)

Remember that lawyer who wishes to remain unidentified is not a legal expert like Bakes is but has taken the trouble to quote relevant T&T laws that can be used by Gibbs to pursue his investigation when as most predict FIFA may refuse to co-operate wth his request for information!

I don't know if I should be flattered or worried by your fixation with calling my name, but I never dubbed myself any expert.  At any rate, thanks for the endorsement though... the anonymous "legal expert" only confirms what I said earlier. 

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Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
« Reply #1012 on: June 29, 2011, 04:47:30 AM »
It has nothing to do with FIFA
says Warner on splitting of ministry
By: Sascha Wilson (Guardian).


Unfazed by Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar’s decision to split his ministerial portfolio, Works Minister Jack Warner has vowed to work even harder and retain his title as the most popular minister.

Speaking with reporters at La Brea yesterday, Warner said he was not sure what responsibilities were now under his purview and that of new Transport Minister Devant Maharaj. “We don’t have an idea yet what the schedule is,” he said. Warner said he was uncertain about the Prime Minister’s logic for the split but he did not think it had anything to do with the FIFA controversy which led to his resignation from FIFA.

 Warner said: “I am sure the Prime Minister is the best judge of what she does for the country and I have to abide by whatever I am asked to do. I will do it to the best of my ability. “Based on the collective effort of all of us you will see us performing as never before.”

Agreeing with Opposition MP Colm Imbert that ideally Works and Transport needed to be together, he recalled the split in the portfolio was done under the Basdeo Panday-led government but it did not work.

“At the end of the day if it doesn’t work, as it did not in the past, then we will have to review it. I am ever the optimist,” he said. Warner did not foresee any difficulty in working with Maharaj whom he had worked with previously at the Public Transport Service Corporation (PTSC) and the ministry.

Asked about a recent poll that put him as the most popular minister, he said: “I win the poll and I will win the poll again and again, anytime.” When asked to comment on the Caribbean Airlines Ltd board, he said that was now a matter for Maharaj but he confirmed the appointments of two board members were revoked.

Warner spoke with reporters after touring the ministry’s Highway Division sub-offices at Cedros and La Brea. He viewed coastal erosion at St Andrew’s Estate in Icacos and at Chin Kit Street, Cap-de-Ville, and the Icacos river which is to be cleaned.

The minister said he was uncertain about the extent of work he could do now but highways director Roger Ganesh he said, suggested setting up a coastal authority which he (Warner) would be exploring. Describing the dilapidated sub-offices as scandalous, Warner promised to address the situation urgently.

He promised temporary relocation until proper buildings could be constructed. “I saw a toilet bowl for women which was patched up three or four times. That is unbelievable for a country like this,” he added.
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Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
« Reply #1013 on: June 29, 2011, 06:12:10 AM »
Expert: There are laws to get ‘goods’ on Warner
By: Asha Javeed (Guardian).


Former FIFA vice president and Works Minister Jack Warner’s surprising exit from international football last week came after bribery allegations surfaced in Asian Football Federation head Mohammed Bin Hammam’s failed FIFA presidential bid.

But had he not quit his FIFA post, Warner would have been found guilty of corruption said a member of FIFA’s Ethics Committee, Sondre Kaafjord. There has been growing calls for Warner to step down from his ministerial post as it remains unclear what his involvement, if any, in the bribery allegations.

Following is a look at the laws to consider as T&T’s law enforcement officers have not exercised their full rights in pursuit of the  case, says a senior lawyer who has been following the matter and has asked not to be identified.

Police Commissioner Dwayne Gibbs is stalling justice if he’s simply waiting for a letter from Federation of International Football Associations (FIFA) to ascertain whether there was criminal activity in T&T’s shores by former FIFA executive and Works Minister, Jack Warner.

The T&T Guardian was told that Gibbs took an  “overly simplistic” approach in writing FIFA to assist T&T’s Police Service (TTPS) when the laws of T&T gave him power to pursue the case beyond T&T’s shores. Gibbs, under pressure from Opposition Leader Dr Keith Rowley, wrote to FIFA two weeks ago but the T&T Guardian was informed that he was yet to receive an official response.

But the laws of T&T make provisions for the Police Commissioner or the Attorney General to request and obtain information on Warner’s hosting of a meeting with Asian football head Mohammned bin Hammam, in his quest for FIFA presidency, and the Caribbean Football Union (CFU) meeting which took place on May 10-11 at the Hyatt, Trinidad.

The T&T Guardian understands that AG Anand Ramlogan, could have requested information from other Commonwealth and non-Commonwealth countries through the Central Authority, a unit within his ministry that deals with mutual legal assistance requests and extradition matters.

This power, the T&T Guardian learned, is to be found in the Mutual Assistance in Criminal Matters Act, 1997 (as amended) Chapter 11:24 of the Laws of the Republic of Trinidad and Tobago. Section 3 (1) states: “Subject to sub-section (2), the Attorney General shall be Central Authority.”

A letter of request from T&T’s Central Authority can be transmitted to a Central Authority in another jurisdiction which has the same legislation. the Guardian was informed. Section 7 of the same Act, titled Requests by Trinidad and Tobago to Commonwealth Countries for Assistance. gives either the AG or Gibbs power to pursue investigations of Warner beyond T&T shores to international countries, if need be.

Section 7 reads: “Where there are reasonable grounds to believe that evidence or information relevant to any criminal proceedings may be obtained, if, in a Commonwealth country: (a) Evidence is taken from any person; (b) information is provided; (c) judicial records, official records or other records, or documents or other articles are produced or examined; (d) samples of any matter or thing are taken, examined or tested; and, (e) any building, place or thing is viewed of photographed, request may be transmitted requesting that assistance be given by that country in so obtaining the evidence or information.”

“This Act gives Commissioner Gibbs the authority to interview any members of the CFU if he wants. He doesn’t have to wait on FIFA correspondence or a FIFA report, he can be proactive,” a legal source explained to the T&T Guardian.

Further, Sections 33E [8] and 33 (F) of the Mutual Assistance in Criminal Matters Act, gives way for evidence obtained legally abroad to be admissible in T&T’s courts. This, the T&T Guardian was told, is supplemented by Section 15B of the Evidence (Amendment) Act 2007. It states: “In any criminal proceedings, evidence of criminal conduct which may be contained in a document may be admissible in evidence if the document, (a) is the best or only evidence of that conduct which is alleged by the prosecution; and, (b) is obtained by or under the hand of the Attorney General in any matter related to mutual legal co-operation pursuant to the Mutual Assistance in Criminal Matters Act, 1997.

The T&T Guardian understands this method of gathering evidence was used in the Basdeo Panday matter, in Piarco (No. 2) preliminary enquiry of businessmen Ishwar Galbaransingh and Steve Fergurson and former Minister of Energy, Finbar Ganga. When it comes to exploring where the US currency was obtained for bin Hammam’s $40,000 cash payout to CFU members from local banks, provisions are made under Section 3 (1) of the Financial Intelligence Unit of Trinidad and Tobago Regulations, 2011.

It allows the Director of the FIU to request financial information from a financial institution or listed business by written request. “Where the director makes a request under sub-regulation (1), the financial institution or listed business shall respond to the request within seven working days of the receipt of the request for information,” states Section 3(2). The T&T Guardian understands the FIU could have sought assistance of the local banks in obtaining the bank records of Warner before May 10. In addition, under the Integrity in Public Life Act, Warner was expected to list all his accounts to the Integrity Commission, which should make access easier, the T&T Guardian was informed.

If the money didn’t come from T&T, then it can be assumed that it came into T&T,” a source explained. Warner resigned from FIFA and as president of CONCACAF and the Caribbean Football Union (CFU) on June 20 and was officially stripped of the tranport part of his ministerial portfolio last Sunday. Dr Rowley has called for Gibbs to press on with investigating whether the laws of T&T were broken despite Warner’s resignation and his leaving FIFA “presumed innocent.”
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Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
« Reply #1014 on: June 29, 2011, 08:01:28 AM »
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« Reply #1015 on: June 29, 2011, 09:54:12 AM »
Now over to Bakes!   ;)

Remember that lawyer who wishes to remain unidentified is not a legal expert like Bakes is but has taken the trouble to quote relevant T&T laws that can be used by Gibbs to pursue his investigation when as most predict FIFA may refuse to co-operate wth his request for information!

I don't know if I should be flattered or worried by your fixation with calling my name, but I never dubbed myself any expert.  At any rate, thanks for the endorsement though... the anonymous "legal expert" only confirms what I said earlier.  

What that Gibbs is wasting his precious time with this investigation but is unwillingly going along with it to get Rowley & crew off his back?!
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« Reply #1016 on: June 29, 2011, 10:44:15 AM »
Now over to Bakes!   ;)

Remember that lawyer who wishes to remain unidentified is not a legal expert like Bakes is but has taken the trouble to quote relevant T&T laws that can be used by Gibbs to pursue his investigation when as most predict FIFA may refuse to co-operate wth his request for information!

I don't know if I should be flattered or worried by your fixation with calling my name, but I never dubbed myself any expert.  At any rate, thanks for the endorsement though... the anonymous "legal expert" only confirms what I said earlier. 

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« Reply #1017 on: June 29, 2011, 12:32:02 PM »
I await  Anand Ramlogan  has to say now ...
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« Reply #1018 on: June 29, 2011, 12:39:57 PM »
What that Gibbs is wasting his precious time with this investigation but is unwillingly going along with it to get Rowley & crew off his back?!
Okay right! And the earth is flat!  ;D

Nah Bakes..........

First of all Socapro... how you go even try an clown me and you don't even understand what the f**k it is yuh reading?  Or is it that yuh didn't understand the conversation between FS and I?  And Elan you self bawling "I knew you could do that." Do what... use the FIU to get into his banking records?  You realize that the FIU laws is Trinidad version of the Anti-Money Laundering (aka AML) laws FS and I was talking about earlier, right?  Apparently not.

Now try and follow along... Socapro I know you really need crayons, but pretty colors is the best ah could do:

(From the Bin Hammam thread...)

Did anyone see Burrell or Austin for instance (or their delegates) sneak the cash out?  Minus an eyewitness account you have nothing.  You can't even go ask their banks anything because TnT police cannot force foreign banks to disclose information about foreign citizens.  So what's left... get the police/governments in the foreign jurisdictions to launch an investigation for you?  Satan will sooner sprout wings and play harps in Heaven before anybody put that atop their list of priorities.

Now to Jack... if he is the one who allegedly "transferred sums illegally"... on what basis?  Because he allegedly distributed large sums of cash in TnT?  There just doesn't seem any rhyme or reason to this incessant drumbeat for an investigation.  Sure, it would be nice... but where do you start?  On what basis?  Jack isn't suspected or any criminal activity... let alone money laundering, so there's no basis for using AML regulations to get into his finances... and even then, all it will tell you (if anything) is that he withdrew large sums of cash from his accounts.  If it doesn't tell you that, then you can speculate and say "aha... then he MUST have brought in the cash."  Okay... but where's the proof that HE did?

Now from the "expert":

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The T&T Guardian understands that AG Anand Ramlogan, could have requested information from other Commonwealth and non-Commonwealth countries through the Central Authority, a unit within his ministry that deals with mutual legal assistance requests and extradition matters. This power, the T&T Guardian learned, is to be found in the Mutual Assistance in Criminal Matters Act, 1997 (as amended) Chapter 11:24 of the Laws of the Republic of Trinidad and Tobago. Section 3 (1) states: “Subject to sub-section (2), the Attorney General shall be Central Authority.” A letter of request from T&T’s Central Authority can be transmitted to a Central Authority in another jurisdiction which has the same legislation. the Guardian was informed. Section 7 of the same Act, titled Requests by Trinidad and Tobago to Commonwealth Countries for Assistance. gives either the AG or Gibbs power to pursue investigations of Warner beyond T&T shores to international countries, if need be.

Me: Gibbs could ask the foreign police/governments to interview the CFU officials, but good luck getting anybody to make that a priority.

Expert: The Mutual Assistance in Criminal Matters Act allows Ramlogan to send a request to the Central Authority in another Commonwealth Country and request assistance in the investigation.

Analysis: Aside from me saying Gibbs and the expert saying "Ramlogan or Gibbs"... the only difference is that the "a legal source" (not sure if is the same "expert") making it seem like they could just walk into St. Lucia and start asking FA president Patrick Mathurin questions (“This Act gives Commissioner Gibbs the authority to interview any members of the CFU if he wants. He doesn’t have to wait on FIFA correspondence or a FIFA report, he can be proactive,” a legal source explained to the T&T Guardian."), an assertion which is grossly misleading if not flat out wrong.


Now as to Jack's finances:

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When it comes to exploring where the US currency was obtained for bin Hammam’s $40,000 cash payout to CFU members from local banks, provisions are made under Section 3 (1) of the Financial Intelligence Unit of Trinidad and Tobago Regulations, 2011.

It allows the Director of the FIU to request financial information from a financial institution or listed business by written request. “Where the director makes a request under sub-regulation (1), the financial institution or listed business shall respond to the request within seven working days of the receipt of the request for information,” states Section 3(2). The T&T Guardian understands the FIU could have sought assistance of the local banks in obtaining the bank records of Warner before May 10.
In addition, under the Integrity in Public Life Act, Warner was expected to list all his accounts to the Integrity Commission, which should make access easier, the T&T Guardian was informed. If the money didn’t come from T&T, then it can be assumed that it came into T&T,” a source explained. Warner resigned from FIFA and as president of CONCACAF and the Caribbean Football Union (CFU) on June 20 and was officially stripped of the tranport part of his ministerial portfolio last Sunday. Dr Rowley has called for Gibbs to press on with investigating whether the laws of T&T were broken despite Warner’s resignation and his leaving FIFA “presumed innocent.”

Me: (see the red highlighted part of my comments at the top) Police can't just go looking into Jack's private financial affairs unless they suspect him of committing a crime.  AML laws specifically target "irregular or suspicious financial transactions" which the banks are obligated to report.

Expert: FIU Director can send a request to get Jack Warner's bank records prior to May 10.

Analysis: FIU laws and AML laws are the same thing, but don't take my word for it, look up "Financial Intelligence Unit of Trinidad and Tobago Regulations, 2011" and look at the AML laws link I posted in the Bin Hammam thread (or look it up online) and see fuh allyuh self.  The difference is that I say they must suspect him of being involved in criminal activity, and specifically, that he used the banks services as part of the criminal scheme.  This "expert" seems to say that even without suspicion the FIU Director could just ketch ah vaps and send a request to the bank/s.  I stand by my disagreement with that interpretation because that is not what the law says.  

Furthermore I even conceded that even if they were able to get his banking records all it would show is whether the money was withdrawn from his account in TnT.  If it doesn't show that then they could say the money was brought in thru Customs... but then they wouldn't know that he was the one (as opposed to Bin Hammam or one of his people) who brought the money thru Customs.  The Guardian "understands" all kinda misleading conclusions that they draw on their own separate to what was explained to them.  Show me anywhere in that article where the expert says they can go into non-Commonwealth countries (the Guardian says it, not this "expert") or where s/he says "There are laws to get ‘goods’ on Warner" himself... as opposed to finding out how the money was brought into TnT.
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« Reply #1019 on: June 29, 2011, 12:53:55 PM »
Bakes yuh twisting it, the argument started out about getting JW, but quickly went into can they investigate or not leaving out the part about convicting or locking him up. Since then the entire thread has been about whether they can investigate or not to see IF any wrong doing occured.
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