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Re: Groden accuses Warner of fraud
« Reply #1620 on: March 22, 2012, 11:47:33 AM »
......... oh dear,what can the matter be..

Not 1 ting it is a plot by Generation vex 2 undermine d Hon MP and Chairman b4 d election on Fri.
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Re: Groden accuses Warner of fraud
« Reply #1621 on: March 22, 2012, 12:46:36 PM »


Not 1 ting it is a plot by Generation vex 2 undermine d Hon MP and Chairman b4 d election on Fri.
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I agree with the plot aspect... I mean, look at the timing of this release  ???  ... on the eve of the UNC elections, with the goodly gentleman seekly re-election as Chairman of the Party   :frustrated:  ... however I don't think iz Gen. Vex... I believe it is the work of the Sinister Slate called UNC Soldiers  :devil: who are supporting the main contender to the MOWT  ... but I am sure that all will be revealed in the fullness of time  :bs: ent?

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Re: Groden accuses Warner of fraud
« Reply #1622 on: March 22, 2012, 12:48:27 PM »
Lol things sweet yes. Warner love money too much.
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Re: Groden accuses Warner of fraud
« Reply #1623 on: March 22, 2012, 01:28:04 PM »


Not 1 ting it is a plot by Generation vex 2 undermine d Hon MP and Chairman b4 d election on Fri.
I agree with the plot aspect... I mean, look at the timing of this release  ???  ... on the eve of the UNC elections, with the goodly gentleman seekly re-election as Chairman of the Party   :frustrated:  ... however I don't think iz Gen. Vex... I believe it is the work of the Sinister Slate called UNC Soldiers  :devil: who are supporting the main contender to the MOWT  ... but I am sure that all will be revealed in the fullness of time  :bs: ent?
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So is not only Generation Vex. So d GOPIO man runnin for Chairman?
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Re: Groden accuses Warner of fraud
« Reply #1624 on: March 22, 2012, 01:34:29 PM »
kinda wondering if the money was handed over by the CFU Asst. General Secretary, why didn't he take it back to them instead of Warner?

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Re: Groden accuses Warner of fraud
« Reply #1625 on: March 22, 2012, 06:51:24 PM »
Great job Lasana !!!! ......

Richard Groden is sounding a little suspecious. Either way ah glad how things unfolding.

Jack might sue Lasana again !!!!!

That man ugly and greedy and you cant be both.

Jack, Camps and Groden should get jailed. And Anil Roberts fired and discarded.

Only crooks in T&T boy.... ah wonder what Kamla go say now.... "till death do us part"....

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Re: Groden accuses Warner of fraud
« Reply #1626 on: March 23, 2012, 04:01:08 AM »
Lasana will give Warner a heart-attack one day !!!!..

It good..

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Re: Groden accuses Warner of fraud
« Reply #1627 on: March 23, 2012, 09:18:55 AM »
So what wrong with Warner doing that if Groden can't say what happen to it after? It was cash. Jack will just say he had a meeting to go to and left it in his drawer for safe keeping. After his meeting, the money went where it was supposed to go.

This not helping build a case against Jack and Groden know that. He just say something without really saying anything.
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Re: Groden accuses Warner of fraud
« Reply #1628 on: March 23, 2012, 11:21:32 AM »
So what wrong with Warner doing that if Groden can't say what happen to it after? It was cash. Jack will just say he had a meeting to go to and left it in his drawer for safe keeping. After his meeting, the money went where it was supposed to go.

This not helping build a case against Jack and Groden know that. He just say something without really saying anything.

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Re: Groden accuses Warner of fraud
« Reply #1629 on: March 23, 2012, 11:21:57 AM »
Bad timing and no one cares.
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Re: Groden accuses Warner of fraud
« Reply #1630 on: March 23, 2012, 04:34:51 PM »
So what wrong with Warner doing that if Groden can't say what happen to it after? It was cash. Jack will just say he had a meeting to go to and left it in his drawer for safe keeping. After his meeting, the money went where it was supposed to go.

This not helping build a case against Jack and Groden know that. He just say something without really saying anything.

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Re: Groden accuses Warner of fraud
« Reply #1631 on: March 23, 2012, 07:31:04 PM »
So what wrong with Warner doing that if Groden can't say what happen to it after? It was cash. Jack will just say he had a meeting to go to and left it in his drawer for safe keeping. After his meeting, the money went where it was supposed to go.

In which case, Jack will be able to show documented proof of where the money was deposited/donated. It wasn't his money (allegedly)so it should have gone somewhere

This not helping build a case against Jack and Groden know that. He just say something without really saying anything.

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Re: Groden accuses Warner of fraud
« Reply #1632 on: March 23, 2012, 08:45:23 PM »
Fu#king JOKERS.. and we is CU#TS
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Re: Groden accuses Warner of fraud
« Reply #1633 on: March 25, 2012, 12:12:36 PM »
Strange I did not see this in the newspapers! Like jack threat to sue have them running scared? Or did they hold it for after the UNC elections? Jack must be saying Et tu Groden? No wonder he only got a slap on his wrist from FIFA! He squealed on Jack! What a  Joke! It is just not funny! When will this saga come to an end?

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Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
« Reply #1634 on: April 01, 2012, 06:06:18 AM »
Well, in the event the police riding for him.......he would have first hand knowledge......ah feel Jack Horner write this article.....an no people its not an April's fool joke!!

Warner appointed to National Security Council
Sunday, April 1, 2012
Shaliza Hassanali


Works and Infrastructure Minister Jack Warner has been appointed a member to the National Security Council (NSC) chaired by Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar. Warner was informed of his position in a March 26 letter from the Office of the Prime Minister.

Last Thursday, Warner sat in his first NSC meeting with three other members—Energy Minister Kevin Ramnarine, National Security Minister John Sandy and Attorney General Anand Ramlogan at the Office of the Prime Minister in St Clair. The post was given to Warner five days after he was re-elected as chairman in the UNC’s March 24 internal election, having received 12, 656 votes.

The NSC also comprises Police Commissioner Dwayne Gibbs, chief of Defence Staff and members of the protective services, which include fire, coast guard, prisons, and customs and excise. Warner’s job will entail dealing with current national security issues affecting the country.

At every meeting, a source at the NSC said, there will be an agenda where issues of national security will be raised and discussed. Decisions will then be taken which will be passed on to the protective services for action. Regarded as a people’s person, a well placed National Security source said Warner was the best choice in the NSC since he often has his ears to the ground. Warner is expected to bring his own style to the NSC, the same way he manages his ministry.

Efforts to reach Warner yesterday proved futile.


http://www.guardian.co.tt/news/2012-04-01/warner-appointed-national-security-council
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Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
« Reply #1635 on: April 01, 2012, 07:28:18 AM »
Nice April Fools joke!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ???

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Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
« Reply #1636 on: April 01, 2012, 08:41:58 AM »
is a joke had to be
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Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
« Reply #1637 on: April 01, 2012, 07:46:16 PM »
All yuh 4get we iz d land of humour and rumour.
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Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
« Reply #1638 on: April 03, 2012, 09:52:21 AM »
Any update on whether the TTFF sued Warner on providing Accounts for LOC 2006  World Cup as ordered by Judge Rampersad?
Is not the case coming up in a few days? Anyone with any information !

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Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
« Reply #1639 on: April 03, 2012, 12:32:56 PM »
Any update on whether the TTFF sued Warner on providing Accounts for LOC 2006  World Cup as ordered by Judge Rampersad?
Is not the case coming up in a few days? Anyone with any information !

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Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
« Reply #1640 on: April 04, 2012, 08:04:35 AM »
Ok I hope we will get a good report! jW is really playing our justice system for a fool!

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Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
« Reply #1641 on: April 04, 2012, 05:47:02 PM »
Any update on whether the TTFF sued Warner on providing Accounts for LOC 2006  World Cup as ordered by Judge Rampersad?
Is not the case coming up in a few days? Anyone with any information !

D TTFF eh sue Jack. D players have 2 sue Scamps, Groden and Watson for contempt. D judge will rule on it in May. D saga continues.
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Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
« Reply #1642 on: April 04, 2012, 06:07:41 PM »
just bound up Sancho, the wife and the wee sancho... he said it wont stop.... "It have jail in it"
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Warner and TTFF win more time in High Court
« Reply #1643 on: April 04, 2012, 06:25:34 PM »
Warner and TTFF win more time in High Court
By Lasana Liburd (wired868)

 
Justice Devindra Rampersad’s agenda was disturbed again today at the Port of Spain High Court as the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (TTFF) once more disobeyed a court order and failed to take legal action against its former Special Advisor and Works Minister Jack Warner.

The TTFF’s decision again raised the possibility of contempt of court charges and the 13 aggrieved 2006 World Cup players, who are suing for unpaid bonuses, will now file a submission for action against the local football body’s General Secretary Richard Groden and ex-President Oliver Camps.

Shaka Hislop, who gave a heroic performance between the uprights at the Germany World Cup, was at the High Court today for the first time along with former teammates Brent Sancho, Atiba Charles and Anthony Wolfe. The other players involved in the proceedings are Kenwyne Jones, Stern John, Kelvin Jack, Aurtis Whitley, Cyd Gray, Cornell Glen, Avery John, Collin Samuel and Evans Wise.

The players, who are owed half of all 2006 World Cup revenue, were represented by Dave De Peiza, Phillip Lamont and George Hislop—father to the ex-World Cup goalkeeper—while British attorney Michael Townley remains involved in the matter from London.

Deryck Ali spearheaded the TTFF’s legal team while interim president Lennox Watson, treasurer Rudi Thomas and Groden showed up on behalf of the sporting body.

On Ali’s request, reporters were not allowed inside the courtroom.

However, Wired868 was informed that the case will resume on 3 May 2012. Then, Justice Rampersad will rule on arguments from either side on a contempt of court charge against Groden and Camps as well as on an application from the players for an oral examination of the TTFF and its staff.

Also, in what is being viewed as a coup by the players, the TTFF has agreed to allow a forensic audit of its accounts and both parties should agree soon on an auditor for the task.

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Re: Warner and TTFF win more time in High Court
« Reply #1644 on: April 04, 2012, 07:11:55 PM »
CAPTION THIS







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Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
« Reply #1645 on: April 04, 2012, 07:34:33 PM »
Any update on whether the TTFF sued Warner on providing Accounts for LOC 2006  World Cup as ordered by Judge Rampersad?
Is not the case coming up in a few days? Anyone with any information !

D TTFF eh sue Jack. D players have 2 sue Scamps, Groden and Watson for contempt. D judge will rule on it in May. D saga continues.

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Re: Warner and TTFF win more time in High Court
« Reply #1646 on: April 04, 2012, 08:05:20 PM »
When the players had the chance to make Jack part of the case they lapse, now Jack could walk free, the TTFF broke and nobody eh getting they pay ?

Is this possible ?

I preach to the players, dont hold back and go for de kill, de longer this case take is de better it is for the TTFF and Jack, because that money gone long time.

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Re: Warner and TTFF win more time in High Court
« Reply #1647 on: April 05, 2012, 08:25:51 AM »
King Corbeau Jack, protected by the Red, White, and Black.
King Corbeau has been living a charmed life in the Caribbean nation of Trinidad and Tobago, a small nation that doesn't deem it necessary to comply with a Financial Action Task Force, an international group dedicated to putting measures in place to combat money laundering and terrorist financing.
Don't need any stinkin task force, King Corbeau is on the job. Men fraid King Corbeau. How else do you explain why a group of ansy pansies would rather risk jail than bring the King to court. Why is it, so call politicians don't want to know what happened to over $180 million dollars including a so call Prime Minister who poses for the camera with the King Corbeau himself for all the world to see. They say "birds of a feather flock together" but one is a corbeau and the other is a hummingbird wannabe. How else do you explain the so call Caribbean Football Union crying broke but refusing to investigate the King Corbeau for millions of dollars missing from their financial account. How else do you explain a high court judge pussyfooting in a case that involves King Corbeau. How is it that you get to disrespect a judge and get away with it?

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Ashford Jackman speculates on the post-Warner scenario
« Reply #1648 on: April 12, 2012, 06:04:21 AM »
Still in play
By Ashford Jackman (T&T Review)


April 3, 2012

There are three major issues to be resolved in the ongoing theatre that is the state of football in Trinidad and Tobago today. For one, it remains to be seen whether Jack Warner, the long time “godfather” of the sport, can prevail amidst the swarm of accusations and attacks currently plaguing his very existence. Secondly, we.have to wait and see whether the former players who have sued the national federation will ever get their money. But for those objective enough to look beyond personalities, it is number three that is the most important: What lies ahead for T&T football? This issue, however, may very well depend on issue  number one.

It was inevitable that the domestic game would find itself in the quagmire where it currently lies. When a single man is allowed to wield the level of influence over a sport that Warner did for almost four decades, supported by a cast of unquestioning loyalists, rot and decadence are certain to set in. From his days as General Secretary of the TTFA in the seventies and eighties, to his ascension to CONCACAF President and FIFA Vice-president, in which position he maintained his control over the national federation by arranging to become “Special Adviser”, Jack has never been further than a phone call away from every administrative decision. Thus, with his deep pockets, his FIFA-earned global connections and his friend Oliver Camps firmly large and in charge at the TTFF for two decades, Warner ensured that Trinidad and Tobago’s football became a one-man operation.

History is replete with examples of leaders who began with the best of intentions but eventually drifted off-track, having ceased to hear dissenting voices, whether right or wrong. Thus, when his troubles started a year ago, Jack’s many adversaries, accumulated over a career that has been both colourful and controversial, began licking their lips in gleeful anticipation of his demise. Others, perhaps genuinely concerned about rescuing the sport from its current malaise, immediately started to manoeuvre for office in the “new” administration. But how close are we really from righting the wrongs in football and charting a new course for the game? What real changes have we made since the Voice of One was silenced? The answers to those questions might produce some sobering facts and leave many new believers in dismay.

Let us undertake a careful examination of developments over the last few months. Firstly, Warner’s extended silence does not mean that he is finished. Certainly, he no longer enjoys the global influence and the alleged sources of wealth associated with top FIFA executives and heads of the six world football confederations. Such trappings he surrendered last year, rather than face a full FIFA tribunal into the “Cash-for-Votes” fiasco at the Port of Spain Hyatt. Additionally, FIFA is withholding his pension, at least until the whereabouts of money it claims was sent this way to aid football in post-earthquake Haiti can be established.

Events closer to home must hurt more; amidst FIFA’s frenzied attempts to repair its tarnished image, many of Warner’s former Caribbean Football Union lieutenants have either turned on him or have had their wings clipped. Camps, for instance, did not take long before he followed his erstwhile boss into the football wilderness, declaring the TTFF bankrupt and walking away smiling from the ruins.

That disgruntled European football executives and politicians attacked the wounded former power broker -none with more gusto than the English, following their gut-wrenching betrayal at the contentious World Cup vote in late 2010. But the surprise was that over the last year or so, Minister Warner, who was instrumental in securing the seat of Government for the People’s Partnership, has found himself the target of barb after political barb in the past year. First his ministry was halved, then his portfolio was reduced and his wings clipped by budget restrictions and nuisance-value enquiries and new oversight arrangements, and just last weekend, was being challenged for the position of Chairman of the UNC in a battle that he eventually won hands-down. From time to time, even if for a few brief moments, he looks as if he would surely soon be down for the count.

Not so fast, though. It has to be remembered that Warner’s issues within the UNC are not directly connected with those in the sport. Politics, it must be noted, did not make him into the footballing force that he became; indeed, the opposite is true.  Warner’s lofty offices as CONCACAF President and FIFA Vice-president were attained long before his foray into politics. Few doubt that it was the very football-based power which accelerated his rise to the top echelons of the UNC. And, one might add, it is his loss of his football base that has left him vulnerable to successful attack by his political foes.

But there is still the small but very relevant matter of his wealth. Whatever revenue he may have lost as a result of quitting FIFA, one suspects that a poor boy Jack will never again be. He quite possibly owns more businesses and property in T&T and abroad and has more sources of income than most people in the country imagine. And should he be cleared of any wrongdoing in the Haiti affair, his hefty pension is unlikely to undermine his financial position.

Then there is the six-year-long battle between the TTFF and 13 former national players, for financial rewards promised to them. Warner has publicly confirmed that, in the euphoria of qualifying for the 2006 World Cup, he did commit verbally to paying the bonuses to the players; and an independent arbitrator has determined that the aggrieved players must be paid. The only problem is that the huge sums of money collected for World Cup 2006 seems to have vanished!

Under pressure, Oliver Camps has told the local court that he, despite being no less than the TTFF President throughout the campaign and for six years after, is still clueless as to the amount of money raised in the Federation’s name leading up to the Finals in Germany.  He suggested that all questions about those accounts be directed to the Special Adviser. After Camps’ voluntary removal as its boss, the TTFF decided to sue the Special Adviser to get him to release its audited financial records for the period. Warner now has until April 4 (Wednesday) to deliver or defend himself in the PoS High Court. Finally, it seems, Jack’s enemies have him where they want him.

Or so they say.

Brent Sancho, spokesman for the 13 players-plaintiffs, said in a February 16 Express story (p.52) that on October 17 last year “Mr Warner signed an affidavit that he would give an account and assist in any way in terms of making this court case go along smoothly.” I have news for Brent: “giving an account” is not the same as producing audited accounts. Warner must first acknowledge the Federation’s claim that he ultimately was responsible for the collection of funds and the accounting. And even if he should do so, it must be proven that the TTFF did indeed amass an estimated $40 million, made up of funds raised and bonuses received from FIFA for reaching the Finals.

Perhaps Sancho has not been hearing his own words. He said that Warner sent letters to the Federation indicating that he has “no information for them,” and that he (Warner) has given back (to the TTFF) “everything that he had concerning football.” So will the players receive the balance of payments the court has awarded? Will the missing funds be accounted for and returned for the benefit of T&T football? I wouldn’t, if you’ll pardon the pun, bank on it.

In the absence of local records, FIFA’s books will tell exactly how well the world governing body rewarded the TTFF, and in whose account the funds were placed. Remember, however, that FIFA’s statutes forbid an affiliate country taking the umbrella body to court.

The key to resolving this entire imbroglio rests in the President’s chair. Had Sepp Blatter been defeated in last year’s election, a new president would have posed a quite different challenge for certain interested parties. Instead, the 76-year-old Swiss remains entrenched and unmoving, plastering over all of FIFA’s open sores with platitudes and promises. FIFA, to put it mildly, is a curiously-structured establishment; some would say it resembles a stack of cards. If Joseph H. Blatter were to allow the release of information exposing irregularities in his organisation, one suspects it would not only be his lieutenants that would come crashing down.

Indeed, proof that internal squabbles never escalate in that august body was there for all to see last year. When knives were drawn as the scandal at the Hyatt began to unravel, Jack went on international television to warn of a “tsunami” to come. But shortly after, on the eve of the election, he said effectively that Blatter was the best man for president; then he resigned all his posts and all investigations ceased. There has been no tsunami, and there are unlikely to be any disclosures coming out of Zurich.

That leads to another issue, one which has been raised in these pages before and which has returned to haunt the country’s football. For two decades, people in the right places have failed to ask: exactly what is a “Special Adviser?” To the best of this writer’s knowledge, no such post has ever existed, either in FIFA’s management structure or its statutes.

For two decades, the administration of T&T’s football was heavily influenced by an ill-defined entity whose authority could neither be quantified or qualified. Without tangible evidence, one suspects, the courts can act on this case as decisively as a ghost can be killed by machine gunfire. So the former Warriors, having to pay legal counsel in the battle for their rights, may be hurtling toward a dead end. Sales of the furniture seized from Dundonald Street will not make a dent in their bills.

Which leaves the little matter of the future of the game. Lofty ideals and bold talk of getting football back on track followed Camps’ resignation. Like the words in Valentino’s immortal calypso, there was much optimism about “changes on the way.” But the silence has been deafening since Lennox Watson, a vice-president under Camps, succeeded him in a swift and controversial election. Another decision saw marketing and other responsibilities being contracted out to All-Sport Promotions, an organisation that has also been long associated with the old administration. And then Anton Corneal, a man who, in the Warner/Camps era, was put in charge of several national youth teams and also served as apprentice under Leo Beenhakker and Francisco Maturana, was appointed Technical Director.

The sceptics say these developments are an indication that little has changed so far; that Watson’s elevation to the presidency is merely a switch from the old man to one of his trusted lieutenants. They murmur in the background about the placement, in critical areas of power, of individuals who have long been favourites with the previous regime. So even the reactions have not changed; rather than come out into the open and address the problems, people who can make a difference are sulking in the corridors, just as they did when events were taking place that landed the sport in the doldrums where it lies today.

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Re: Ashford Jackman speculates on the post-Warner scenario
« Reply #1649 on: April 12, 2012, 06:23:38 AM »
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When a single man is allowed to wield the level of influence over a sport that Warner did for almost four decades, supported by a cast of unquestioning loyalists, rot and decadence are certain to set in.

So where was the media while all this was going on?  Who was asking the difficult questions then?

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In the absence of local records, FIFA’s books will tell exactly how well the world governing body rewarded the TTFF, and in whose account the funds were placed. Remember, however, that FIFA’s statutes forbid an affiliate country taking the umbrella body to court.

I also disagree with this... FIFA's "books" will only tell how much money FIFA disbursed to the TTFF, they will say nothing about the separate sponsorship deals brokered by the local Federation.  Whatever monies FIFA shared, we already know of, or have a fair accounting of, this is not news.  Thankfully, we also have a fair idea about sponsorships, since news of these made their way into the press as basis for celebration at the time of their agreement.... "TTFF Announces $X million sponsorship deal with Coca Cola", etc.  So no, we don't need to wait on FIFA and no need to entertain that speculative theories about having to sue the organization and house of cards falling down if they accede to demands.

Other than that, a very good analysis, and withering assessment of the major players.

 

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