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Re: Jack dimisses Concacaf probe PM STUNNED
« Reply #2040 on: April 20, 2013, 04:01:48 AM »
‘White collar thieves’
By Mark Bassant Senior CCN Investigative Journalist in Panama City.


National Security Minister Jack Warner has been found to have committed fraud through which he enriched himself in his dealings in international football.

The finding by the Integrity Committee of Concacaf has come on the heels of a series of exclusive stories on Warner’s financial wheeling and dealings by head of the Express investigative desk, Camini Marajh.

Head of Concacaf’s integrity committee, Sir David Simmons, yesterday revealed the underhanded dealings and fraud committed by Warner,  former FIFA vice-president and Concacaf president, in his handling of the affairs of the regional football body.

Simmons, a former Barbados chief justice, disclosed that Warner and Chuck Blazer, former general secretary of Concacaf, “were fraudulent in their management” of  the Confederation’s activities and used their offices for personal gain.

According to a Reuters report, delegates responded angrily to the report with one describing Warner and American Blazer as “white collar thieves”.

In his 20-minute synopsis of the 113-page report into Concacaf’s finances under the leadership of Warner and Blazer, Simmons revealed the findings of a forensic audit into Concacaf finances based on documents and interviews with 38 people to the Concacaf XXVIII Congress in Panama.

Simmons outlined several areas his committee was appointed to investigate, which included:

• Ownership of the US$25.9 million Dr Joao Havelange Centre of Excellence at Macoya

• An apartment in Trump Plaza

• Whereabouts of funds generated from a contract between Concacaf and UMBRO—an English sportswear and football equipment supplier based in Manchester, England

• Two apartments in Miami and a Hummer, a luxury SUV

• Employment contract of former general secretary Blazer and the provisions of contract

• Concacaf’s failure to pay taxes and file tax returns

• Completeness and accuracy of Concacaf’s finances and audits.

Simmons told the Congress that neither Warner nor Blazer co-operated with the investigation and neither responded to queries by the Committee.

He said contact was only made with Warner’s accountant last week who promised to submit something in writing but never did.

Simmons said that as a result of this lack of co-operation, the Report was completed without responses to the Committee’s queries.

He said during their detailed investigation, the Integrity Committee obtained several documents and minutes from the FIFA executive and tried to get further evidence from the former FIFA president and  Concacaf Secretary, “but they refused.”

According to Simmons, investigations also centred on getting documents from external sources as well as obtaining help from the consulting firm BDO Forensic Accounting and oral evidence from witnesses.

“When you read this report you will see the documents were most revealing and compelling,” Simmons stated.

As to the ownership of the Dr Joao Havelange Centre of Excellence, based at Macoya, Tunapuna, Simmons said that in July 1995, Warner told the FIFA executive that the purpose of the centre was to help raise the quality of Concacaf soccer.

He added that “the statutes of Concacaf did not authorise any real estate, and there was no evidence to show that Mr Warner sought or obtained the approval of the Congress of the executive committee for the construction of the Dr Joao Havelange Centre of Excellence on lands in Trinidad”.

In seeking to determine where the land came from, Simmons said, “We examined the title deeds and found out the Centre of Excellence sits on three different parcels of lands owned by CCAN and Renraw Investments Ltd.” These companies are owned by Warner and his family.

Simmons revealed that the lands were bought between March 15, 1996 and August 1998 by CCAN and Renraw, but this was never disclosed to the Congress.

“We found no evidence that this was disclosed to the Congress … that the centre was built on lands owned by Mr Warner’s company.

Simmons pointed to evidence of several bank accounts from which money was funnelled to finance the development of the Centre of Excellence, on which sits a 33-room hotel.

He added that between 1996-2006 Concacaf obtained US$25.95 million towards its construction.

According to Simmons, “Mr Warner represented to FIFA that the funds were to develop and support the Centre of Excellence—he never told them it will be situated on lands owned by his company.”

The investigations also revealed that six million francs in March 1997 was approved for borrowing by FIFA for Warner and was placed in a bank account controlled by Warner.

Simmons told the Congress FIFA gave an additional US$10 million to Warner who also obtained money from the Australians.

“We also discovered FIFA funds were used to purchase parcel one and two,” Simmons said.

He added, “Mr Warner wrote FIFA giving an account on how he would use the funds  (US$643,000) but he failed to mention the land was purchased by his companies,” or that the other two parcels of land  were paid for by FIFA’s funds.

Further, he said, in 1998,  Concacaf’s name appeared in a mortgage deed as a borrower but the deeds were signed on behalf of Concacaf by vice-president of Concacaf Caribbean, Lisle Austin and Harold Taylor who were never authorised to sign.

Based on this, Simmons said it was a serious indictment on Warner “that is liable to deceit and a breach of his fiduciary duties”.

“Mr Warner engaged in self dealing in which he probably got a secret profit,” Simmons said.

Of paramount concern as well, Simmons said, was the operation of the controversial Dr Joao Havelange Centre of Excellence. During 1996-2011 Concacaf paid US$11 million through routine monthly payments to support the operations of the centre and Warner’s office to the tune of some US$5.6 million  in 2011.

This, he said, was sent by wire transfer to a First Citizens account controlled by Warner but Simmons revealed that the Integrity Committee did not have access to those accounting records.

Warner’s auditor Kenny Rampersad was also found to be personally involved in Warner’s businesses.

According to Simmons, “As a matter of public record Rampersad was on record as being authorised to act on behalf of Mr Warner’s company.”

Rampersad acted as an accountant for Concacaf  in Warner’s TT based operations and the Report revealed that when Concacaf got approval for the $6 million francs loan from Switzerland, Rampersad signed on behalf of the Centre of Excellence. Rampersad was also the accountant for Blazer.

Simmons described  Rampersad’s audit to the Committee, as “badly flawed”.   

“This is a sad and sorry tale in the life of Concacaf, a tale of abuse and position of power when persons who assisted in bringing the organisation profitability, enriched themselves at the expense of  their own organisation,” Simmons said.

He told members “there are lessons to be learnt when you read through the 113 page report: Read, mark, learn and inwardly digest the ramifications of the tragic experiences that made the investigation a historic necessity.”

Several of the members later questioned the Integrity Committee and Simmons said several jurisdictions were involved in this investigation and there was no limitation to the fraud.

Concacaf president Jeffrey Webb said that based on the report, a task force will be formed to look into it further.

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Re: Jack dimisses Concacaf probe PM STUNNED
« Reply #2041 on: April 20, 2013, 05:26:57 AM »
How embarrassing for the Republic of Trinidad and Tobago! This not done as yet, more fireworks to come, and even more embarrassment internationally for Trinidad and Tobago....

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Re: Jack dimisses Concacaf probe PM STUNNED
« Reply #2042 on: April 20, 2013, 05:30:31 AM »
What else she need to see. They practically layout everything for you Kamla. How many people must show you the same thing
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Re: Jack dimisses Concacaf probe PM STUNNED
« Reply #2043 on: April 20, 2013, 06:38:36 AM »
 what a shameless bunch !! i suppose  the next thing,  prime minister kamla  waiting to see is the eventual outcome of the FBI/IRS probe .. before any action is taken .. anyways kamla a nation is paying close attention...keep that in mind..

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Re: Jack dimisses Concacaf probe PM STUNNED
« Reply #2044 on: April 20, 2013, 06:55:25 AM »
She will wait until the US asks to hand him over
Then hell open up and all the cockroaches will go down together

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Where’s the evidence against Jack?
« Reply #2045 on: April 20, 2013, 02:41:50 PM »
Where’s the evidence against Jack?
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While I hold no brief for National Security Minister Jack Warner, he is held in esteem by some as one of the hardest working ministers ever, and others as a modern day “Robin Hood” for the good he has done.

Mr Warner has never been charged with any fraud or misappropriation of funds. At present, there is no charge, no police investigation, no parliamentary enquiry, no Integrity Commission enquiry.

There will never be any charge unless there is political will and incontrovertible proof is provided by way of unaccounted funds backed up by audited accounts for every entity to which he is responsible. In the absence of this, everything is just dust in the wind, and Mr Warner knows this; that is why he is not worried.

In his official capacity as part of several governing bodies, Mr Warner was entitled to legitimate funding, this together with his many business interests and enterprises and personal accounts, it is well nigh impossible to obtain any money trail, to prove fraud, not even talking about getting information legally.

Mr Warner has achieved the distinction of becoming a world figure. That puts him among the elite, the people who run the world; that means the rule-makers can be rule-breakers. The kind of privilege and immunity these people have is unbelievable. It’s just the reality of the world we live in, much like the CLICO debacle. You can run an insurance company like a bank—you can lend, acquire holdings or be illiquid to the tune of maybe $20 billion before you qualify for a bailout.

You can diversify legitimate business interests to such an extent, that a money trail can be impossible to obtain and yet be able to spin off private wealth.

My advice to Mr Warner’s detractors is: if you don’t have incontrovertible evidence of wrongdoing, don’t waste your time and other people’s time.

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Re: $100m & MORE MISSING (Sunday Express)
« Reply #2046 on: April 20, 2013, 02:57:18 PM »
From Richard Lord (Guardian) on Twitter:

(Prakash) Ramadhar: The time has come for the Minister of National Security, Jack Warner to exit this Government or be removed.

COP: When prior serious allegations were made by FIFA against the National Security Minister he had every opportunity to clear his name.

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Re: Re: Where’s the evidence against Jack?
« Reply #2047 on: April 20, 2013, 03:05:23 PM »
Where’s the evidence against Jack?
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While I hold no brief for National Security Minister Jack Warner, he is held in esteem by some as one of the hardest working ministers ever, and others as a modern day “Robin Hood” for the good he has done.

Mr Warner has never been charged with any fraud or misappropriation of funds. At present, there is no charge, no police investigation, no parliamentary enquiry, no Integrity Commission enquiry.

There will never be any charge unless there is political will and incontrovertible proof is provided by way of unaccounted funds backed up by audited accounts for every entity to which he is responsible. In the absence of this, everything is just dust in the wind, and Mr Warner knows this; that is why he is not worried.

In his official capacity as part of several governing bodies, Mr Warner was entitled to legitimate funding, this together with his many business interests and enterprises and personal accounts, it is well nigh impossible to obtain any money trail, to prove fraud, not even talking about getting information legally.

Mr Warner has achieved the distinction of becoming a world figure. That puts him among the elite, the people who run the world; that means the rule-makers can be rule-breakers. The kind of privilege and immunity these people have is unbelievable. It’s just the reality of the world we live in, much like the CLICO debacle. You can run an insurance company like a bank—you can lend, acquire holdings or be illiquid to the tune of maybe $20 billion before you qualify for a bailout.

You can diversify legitimate business interests to such an extent, that a money trail can be impossible to obtain and yet be able to spin off private wealth.

My advice to Mr Warner’s detractors is: if you don’t have incontrovertible evidence of wrongdoing, don’t waste your time and other people’s time.

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Re: Re: $100m & MORE MISSING (Sunday Express)
« Reply #2048 on: April 20, 2013, 03:06:06 PM »
From Richard Lord (Guardian) on Twitter:

(Prakash) Ramadhar: The time has come for the Minister of National Security, Jack Warner to exit this Government or be removed.

COP: When prior serious allegations were made by FIFA against the National Security Minister he had every opportunity to clear his name.

Warner can't prove his innocence because he is guilty.
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Re: $100m & MORE MISSING (Sunday Express)
« Reply #2049 on: April 20, 2013, 03:42:42 PM »
Jack Warner ....Ali baaba doh have nothing on you boy!!!  de more ah think about all yuh lies and deception, along with the amount ah money yuh tief , depriving de the nations youth team use of the centre of excellence before their departure for panama , not forgetting the money yuh deprive  dem poor haitian people in their most trying moments ( the victims of an earthquake) ..... yuh real fcking wicked .. doh worry jack warner yuh time will come....

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Re: $100m & MORE MISSING (Sunday Express)
« Reply #2050 on: April 20, 2013, 05:59:57 PM »
From Richard Lord (Guardian) on Twitter:

(Prakash) Ramadhar: The time has come for the Minister of National Security, Jack Warner to exit this Government or be removed.

COP: When prior serious allegations were made by FIFA against the National Security Minister he had every opportunity to clear his name.

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Re: $100m & MORE MISSING (Sunday Express)
« Reply #2051 on: April 20, 2013, 07:07:51 PM »
From Richard Lord (Guardian) on Twitter:

(Prakash) Ramadhar: The time has come for the Minister of National Security, Jack Warner to exit this Government or be removed.

COP: When prior serious allegations were made by FIFA against the National Security Minister he had every opportunity to clear his name.

Or else what, Prakash?...what you and your party gonna do if he doesn't?   ::)

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Re: $100m & MORE MISSING (Sunday Express)
« Reply #2052 on: April 20, 2013, 07:43:34 PM »
From Richard Lord (Guardian) on Twitter:

(Prakash) Ramadhar: The time has come for the Minister of National Security, Jack Warner to exit this Government or be removed.

COP: When prior serious allegations were made by FIFA against the National Security Minister he had every opportunity to clear his name.

Or else what, Prakash?...what you and your party gonna do if he doesn't?   ::)

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Re: Jack dimisses Concacaf probe PM STUNNED
« Reply #2053 on: April 20, 2013, 07:58:14 PM »
Regardless of what Kamla decides to do, the Opposition needs to declare a vote of no-confidence in this Government.  Given their overwhelming majority, the PP will likely retain power, and possibly emerge stronger for it... but it will send a message to both the government, but more importantly, the electorate.

A vote of no-confidence is premature and while great for political posturing (and to some extent political theatre), no net electoral gain would accrue in benefit of the Opposition. The present path of persistent calls for the PM to act is the way forward because this calls into question three items:

1) the PM's leadership and decision-making generally and w/rpt Mr. Warner specifically
2) the character of governance and impunity (and tolerance for inappropriate conduct) under the PP
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3) an open loop that can be strategically directed and driven with flexibility depending on how the situation unfolds (rather than the more limited options for the Opposition to frame the issue post no-confidence motion)

It's better that this issue percolate closer to the time at which the electorate naturally returns to the ballot. Despite our nuanced understanding of the issue here on the forum, the public-at-large still needs to be educated as to what all of this means. Dr. Rowley needs to focus on winning the war, not the skirmish. He should be in no rush to abbreviate the PM's term in office under her present mandate. His focus should be on not renewing the mandate.

The electorate wouldn't process a failed motion/vote for no-confidence with the same alacrity or discernment as which you are possessed. Indeed, a failed vote of no-confidence could haunt the PNM on the PP's (or whatever reconstituted electoral form the PP takes) election platform.
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Re: Jack dimisses Concacaf probe PM STUNNED
« Reply #2054 on: April 20, 2013, 08:05:08 PM »
I agree.  The PNM already did that vote of no-confidence thing this term and it really doesn't get anyone anywhere.  The PNM should just focus on the LGE and the GE.....
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Re: Jack dimisses Concacaf probe PM STUNNED
« Reply #2055 on: April 20, 2013, 08:47:50 PM »
Get dem de fack out, JW and all those who stood by him.

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« Reply #2056 on: April 20, 2013, 10:06:55 PM »
Prime minister Kamla persad  yuh still waiting for more information on jack warner ?????  Read the blasted express report .!! what more info yuh want again ???  now all hell breaking loose  ... the flood gates opening .. its clear now why yuh been  stubbornly  reluctant to act against yuh minister jack W...  lawd  the stench ah corruption allround.... it stinks

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« Reply #2057 on: April 20, 2013, 10:22:37 PM »
Regardless of what Kamla decides to do, the Opposition needs to declare a vote of no-confidence in this Government.  Given their overwhelming majority, the PP will likely retain power, and possibly emerge stronger for it... but it will send a message to both the government, but more importantly, the electorate.

A vote of no-confidence is premature and while great for political posturing (and to some extent political theatre), no net electoral gain would accrue in benefit of the Opposition. The present path of persistent calls for the PM to act is the way forward because this calls into question three items:

1) the PM's leadership and decision-making generally and w/rpt Mr. Warner specifically
2) the character of governance and impunity (and tolerance for inappropriate conduct) under the PP
and
3) an open loop that can be strategically directed and driven with flexibility depending on how the situation unfolds (rather than the more limited options for the Opposition to frame the issue post no-confidence motion)


It's better that this issue percolate closer to the time at which the electorate naturally returns to the ballot. Despite our nuanced understanding of the issue here on the forum, the public-at-large still needs to be educated as to what all of this means. Dr. Rowley needs to focus on winning the war, not the skirmish. He should be in no rush to abbreviate the PM's term in office under her present mandate. His focus should be on not renewing the mandate.

The electorate wouldn't process a failed motion/vote for no-confidence with the same alacrity or discernment as which you are possessed. Indeed, a failed vote of no-confidence could haunt the PNM on the PP's (or whatever reconstituted electoral form the PP takes) election platform.

Much of this means very little.  The "present path of persistent calls..." has yielded exactly what exactly?  What will be called into question that hasn't already been called into question with regards to Kamla and Warner?  How will the "present path" affect that character of governance and impunity as you call it?  Far from "political posturing" as you dismissively assess it... the COP seems poised to separate itself from the PP coalition, and if that were to happen it would reduce the PP's margin from 29 to 23 seats.  They would still have a majority but would lose the substantial leverage which they presently enjoy... and which contributes to the PM's intransigence and silence on Jack, and to the self-same character of governance and impunity.  The only risk is that the COP would continue to support Kamla and the coalition will emerge as strong, if not stronger than it is at present.  The upside is that it would force the government to the bargaining table with the Opposition, and force them to deal on more equitable terms.  Best case scenario, it would force a dissolution of the current administration.  Hardly the "political posturing" that you envision.

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Re: Jack dimisses Concacaf probe PM STUNNED
« Reply #2058 on: April 20, 2013, 11:49:31 PM »
bakes I made the point in  another thread that COP doesn't have six seats u feel anil leaving dat trough...who is d others besides PRAKASH,  DOOKS, KSB some MPs will follow d money an' power....if they don't I'll be pleasantly surprised..
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Re: Jack dimisses Concacaf probe PM STUNNED
« Reply #2060 on: April 21, 2013, 12:21:48 PM »
bakes I made the point in  another thread that COP doesn't have six seats u feel anil leaving dat trough...who is d others besides PRAKASH,  DOOKS, KSB some MPs will follow d money an' power....if they don't I'll be pleasantly surprised..

Either way there is no downside to a motion of no-confidence... worse case scenario you end up right back where you started.

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« Reply #2061 on: April 21, 2013, 12:36:32 PM »
Cannot agree with a Motion of No Confidence at this point.  All it will serve to do is rally the government's die hard base ointo showing their support.

It will fail and the desired effect and the PNM would be exactly where they started.

Keep the issues in the public domain, put unlentless pressure and hold up on a Motion of No Confidence.

Anil for sure is NOT going to leave the coalition and the rest(read that as the COP), even when posturing have always stayed put.

I see it as more advantageous in the long run to let them be.

The time will come to ask them the hard questions on why they stayed etc.   

2 years is a very long time in politics.  Even with defections etc. they will still hold at the very least 22 seats, enough to hold unto power.

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Re: Jack dimisses Concacaf probe PM STUNNED
« Reply #2062 on: April 21, 2013, 12:46:24 PM »
Regardless of what Kamla decides to do, the Opposition needs to declare a vote of no-confidence in this Government.  Given their overwhelming majority, the PP will likely retain power, and possibly emerge stronger for it... but it will send a message to both the government, but more importantly, the electorate.

A vote of no-confidence is premature and while great for political posturing (and to some extent political theatre), no net electoral gain would accrue in benefit of the Opposition. The present path of persistent calls for the PM to act is the way forward because this calls into question three items:

1) the PM's leadership and decision-making generally and w/rpt Mr. Warner specifically
2) the character of governance and impunity (and tolerance for inappropriate conduct) under the PP
and
3) an open loop that can be strategically directed and driven with flexibility depending on how the situation unfolds (rather than the more limited options for the Opposition to frame the issue post no-confidence motion)

It's better that this issue percolate closer to the time at which the electorate naturally returns to the ballot. Despite our nuanced understanding of the issue here on the forum, the public-at-large still needs to be educated as to what all of this means. Dr. Rowley needs to focus on winning the war, not the skirmish. He should be in no rush to abbreviate the PM's term in office under her present mandate. His focus should be on not renewing the mandate.

The electorate wouldn't process a failed motion/vote for no-confidence with the same alacrity or discernment as which you are possessed. Indeed, a failed vote of no-confidence could haunt the PNM on the PP's (or whatever reconstituted electoral form the PP takes) election platform.
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Re: Jack dimisses Concacaf probe PM STUNNED
« Reply #2063 on: April 21, 2013, 12:49:34 PM »
And exactly why is Kamla stunned? Does she not do a background check on the ministers?
Jack was one of the main financers of the PP's election campaign and they had a good idea where the money came from but did not care, getting into power by hook or crook was all that mattered!
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« Reply #2064 on: April 21, 2013, 12:53:50 PM »
Cannot agree with a Motion of No Confidence at this point.  All it will serve to do is rally the government's die hard base ointo showing their support.

It will fail and the desired effect and the PNM would be exactly where they started.

Keep the issues in the public domain, put unlentless pressure and hold up on a Motion of No Confidence.

Anil for sure is NOT going to leave the coalition and the rest(read that as the COP), even when posturing have always stayed put.

I see it as more advantageous in the long run to let them be.

The time will come to ask them the hard questions on why they stayed etc.   

2 years is a very long time in politics.  Even with defections etc. they will still hold at the very least 22 seats, enough to hold unto power.
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« Reply #2065 on: April 21, 2013, 01:46:46 PM »
Cannot agree with a Motion of No Confidence at this point.  All it will serve to do is rally the government's die hard base ointo showing their support.

It will fail and the desired effect and the PNM would be exactly where they started.

Keep the issues in the public domain, put unlentless pressure and hold up on a Motion of No Confidence.

Anil for sure is NOT going to leave the coalition and the rest(read that as the COP), even when posturing have always stayed put.

I see it as more advantageous in the long run to let them be.

The time will come to ask them the hard questions on why they stayed etc.   

2 years is a very long time in politics.  Even with defections etc. they will still hold at the very least 22 seats, enough to hold unto power.

How would it be "more advantageous in the long run"... that's what I'm having a hard time understanding.  Your (and Asylumseeker's) position seems to be that if the motion of no confidence fails that "hard questions" can't be asked going forward.  You talk about a failed motion "rally[ing] the government's base"... more than it already "rallied"?  And rallying that base would hurt the Opposition, how? Is not like that "base" was ever going to support the Opposition... and "base" doh matter in Parliamentary voting.

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« Reply #2066 on: April 21, 2013, 02:23:51 PM »
As I said. 2 years is a long time in politics, we already had one failed No Confidence Motion.   Shooting off all your bullets before the war has been declared is bad business.  Now Rowley and his PNM Executive may see things the way you do, but he had already scheduled a debate on Private Members Day this coming Friday to discuss NOT Jack but the PM's inability and reticence to deal with him.

In a mere matter of months Kamla defeated Panday and Manning...soundly.  Timing is essential, ask all the hard questions now and moving forward, but as we have seen the COP will talk a good talk but being Ministers and having the perks is a powerful motivating factor for them to remain in a government that remains strong despite all their mis-steps and malfeasance.

It would be prudent to await any potential fall out from this Jack bachannal too, and then capitalize on that.   

They have shown a propensity to go after each others throats in the past...as public discontent grows, they will have a go at each other to fulfil the lust for power.  That would be the ideal opportunity to call for that No Confidence Motion.

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« Reply #2067 on: April 21, 2013, 03:00:39 PM »
Kamla eh letting go of office before time. Fact.

Best thing to do is let this play out to its end. Remind yes....but let them continue to try to plug the holes in the ship.
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« Reply #2068 on: April 21, 2013, 03:14:08 PM »
And exactly why is Kamla stunned? Does she not do a background check on the ministers?
Jack was one of the main financers of the PP's election campaign and they had a good idea where the money came from but did not care, getting into power by hook or crook was all that mattered!

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« Reply #2069 on: April 21, 2013, 03:54:47 PM »
Golda Lee Bruce  (@goldalee) tweeted at 5:35 PM on Sun, Apr 21, 2013:
Jack Warner leaves the meeting at the Prime Minister's residence. Does not speak to the media. @CNC3TV
(https://twitter.com/goldalee/status/326086882524028929)

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