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« Reply #2370 on: May 31, 2014, 04:30:53 PM »
Tomorrow's Sunday Times (UK):

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Other suspicious payments to [World Cup bid] voters include two payments totalling $450,000 to [Jack] Warner in the two years before the vote. Correspondence in the month after Qatar won the vote also shows Warner referred to Bin Hammam as “the only brother I have in football” and went on to send his bank details.

The email trail and bank documents also reveal the true story of a further $1.2m payment from Bin Hammam to Warner almost eight months after the bid when the two men had been suspended by Fifa for paying bribes to voters in Bin Hammam’s campaign to unseat Blatter as the president of Fifa.


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« Reply #2371 on: June 01, 2014, 04:39:03 AM »
Alleged payoffs bolstered Qatar WC bid
By Associated Press

A former member of FIFA's executive committee was accused on Sunday of making payments totaling $5 million to senior football officials in return for support for Qatar's successful bid for the 2022 World Cup.

British newspaper, The Sunday Times, claims that it has obtained millions of secret documents proving that Mohamed Bin Hammam, a Qatari national and former FIFA vice president, was lobbying on his country's behalf ahead of the vote in December 2010.

Under a front-page headline of "Plot to buy the World Cup," the newspaper alleges that Bin Hammam made dozens of payments to top football officials in Africa as well as Reynald Temarii and Jack Warner, the former FIFA executive committee members for Oceania and CONCACAF.

The allegations come less than two weeks before the start of the World Cup in Brazil and bring fresh scrutiny on the 2010 vote, which awarded football's biggest tournament to the tiny desert state and currently is under investigation by FIFA's independent ethics prosecutor.

The Sunday Times said that Bin Hamman declined to respond to the allegations and that members of Qatar's bid committee denied any link to the former FIFA official, saying he played no secret role in their campaign.

Qatari organisers did not immediately respond to requests from Associated Press for comment.

Bin Hammam, one of the most controversial figures in FIFA's recent history, is no longer a committee member of world football's governing body after being caught up in a corruption scandal surrounding his failed campaign for its presidency in 2011.

The Sunday Times is alleging, however, that he exploited his position at the heart of FIFA when he was an executive committee member to help to secure votes from key members of its 24-man ruling committee that helped Qatar win the right to host the World Cup. Qatar defeated bids from the United States, Japan, South Korea and Australia.

According to the newspaper, Bin Hammam used 10 slush funds controlled by his private company and cash handouts to make dozens of payments of up to $200,000 into accounts controlled by the presidents of 30 African football associations who influenced how the continent's four executive members would vote. He also allegedly hosted lavish junkets for these African officials at which he handed out almost $400,000 in cash.

The newspaper says the documents show that Bin Hammam paid out at least 305,000 euros ($415,000) in legal and private detective fees for Temarii after he was suspended for telling undercover reporters that he had been offered $12 million for his vote. Bin Hammam's help allowed him to appeal the suspension and prevent his planned replacement from voting for Australia in the vote, the Sunday Times claimed.

Bin Hammam is also accused of funneling more than $1.6 million directly into bank accounts controlled by Warner, including $450,000 before the vote. Warner resigned from football duties, including his 28-year membership of FIFA's committee, in June 2011 to avoid investigation in a bribery scandal linked to Bin Hammam's campaign for FIFA president.

The Sunday Times also said Bin Hammam paid $800,000 to the Ivory Coast FA, whose executive committee member Jacques Anouma agreed to "push very hard the bid of Qatar," and signed off on two payments of $400,000 each to the federations of two other voters.

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Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
« Reply #2372 on: June 01, 2014, 08:47:43 AM »
I'm sure Jack put all that money into local football...

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« Reply #2373 on: June 02, 2014, 05:10:15 AM »
FFA did not tell federal police of $500,000 allegedly stolen by FIFA executive Jack Warner
By Nick McKenzie and Richard Baker (theage.com).


Australia's football federation has not called in the federal police to investigate a 2013 inquiry finding that allegedly corrupt FIFA executive Jack Warner stole $500,000 from the FFA.

The funds were meant for a stadium upgrade that Mr Warner had sought from Australian soccer officials in 2010, a year in which the FFA was also seeking Mr Warner's support for Australia's World Cup hosting bid.

A senior FIFA source described as “disgraceful” the revelation that the FFA has not informed the federal police about the allegedly stolen $US462,000. The FFA sent the funds to a Warner-controlled Caribbean bank account in 2010, ostensibly to fund a football stadium upgrade in Trinidad and Tobago.

The concerns about the failure to report the theft have been echoed by the FFA's former corporate affairs manager Bonita Mersiades.

In an exclusive interview with Fairfax Media, Ms Mersiades said the reason the FFA was reluctant to report the theft may be because it could further expose the highly risky manner in which it gave “international development” grants to corruption-riddled overseas football bodies at a time when the FFA was also seeking their support for Australia's bid to host the World Cup.

“The FFA should report the alleged theft of its funds by Mr Warner immediately to the federal police given a 2013 inquiry has already found that a fraud has most likely been committed,” Ms Mersiades said.

Over the weekend, the UK paper the Sunday Times exposed an alleged bid buying racket run by former FIFA executive committee member Mohamed Bin Hammam.

It allegedly involved payments totalling around $US5 million to football officials in return for getting them to support Qatar's ultimately successful world cup bid.

Among the questionable payments allegedly made by Bin Hammam were those wired to then FIFA officials Mr Warner and Reynald Temarii.

Both are former FIFA executives who Australia was also lobbying in a controversial manner in 2010.

Fairfax Media has previously revealed that Mr Temarii had a list of demands for the FFA to meet in return for his vote, including giving Hyundai vehicles to Oceania member federations and providing financial assistance to soccer in the region.

Ms Mersiades told Fairfax Media: “The revelations in the Sunday Times about the way Bin Hammam used hospitality, gifts, perks, and upgrades of stadiums to win bid support has parallels with the manner in which Australia used some of its funds during its bidding campaign. Just look at the FFA funds that landed in Warner's account and which have never been recovered.”

The revelations of the Bin Hammam payments have today sparked intense debate about whether to challenge Qatar's right to host the 2022 World Cup, with the FFA saying it is “keenly interested” to see the results of an ongoing FIFA investigation into the Qatari bid.

But Fairfax Media can reveal that this FIFA investigation has recently also taken evidence from FFA insiders about Australia's dealings with Warner, Temarii and other soccer officials during the 2010 bid.

When the FFA was asked recently by Fairfax Media about why it had not reported to the federal police the allegedly corrupt theft in 2010 of Australian soccer funds by Mr Warner - given the crime was exposed in an inquiry a year ago - a FFA spokesman said it was awaiting “the outcome of… [the ongoing FIFA inquiry] before pursuing the matter”.

In April 2013, a widely publicised formal inquiry by the Confederation of North, Central American and Caribbean Association Football (CONCACAF) integrity committee found that the $US462,200 the FFA deposited in a Caribbean bank account controlled by Mr Warner had most likely been stolen.

The funds were sent to the account after the FFA met with Mr Warner and agreed to donate to the development of a stadium in Trinidad and Tobago.

At the time, the FFA was lobbying Mr Warner to support its bid to host the world cup.

The CONCACAF inquiry said the bank account was controlled by Mr Warner, who appears to have simply pocketed the FFA's funds.

"The funds were paid to CONCACAF by FFA in the form of a check ... to CONCACAF which was deposited into a bank account maintained at Republic National Bank in Trinidad and Tobago, an account in which, earlier that year, Warner had deposited personal reimbursement funds from CONCACAF," the inquiry found.

In 2010, Fairfax Media revealed that the FFA gave a pearl necklace to the wives of top FIFA officials, including Mr Warner, spent tens of thousands of dollars flying a junior Caribbean football team to a match and paid more than $1 million to consultant Peter Hargitay, who claimed privately to be able to deliver Mr Warner's vote to the FFA.

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« Reply #2374 on: June 02, 2014, 05:13:08 AM »
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« Reply #2376 on: June 02, 2014, 09:24:52 AM »
Horner this sounds serious. Not surprising that Renraw paranoid about leaving the country.
Could you comment on these allegations if your lawyer will allow?
Like Jackula geh radioactive orwah?
Man who used to be supporting him like bredda fuh life, like dey jess buss it dread.
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Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
« Reply #2377 on: June 04, 2014, 02:00:38 AM »
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Warner: My day will come
By Sean Douglas (Newsday).


CHAGUANAS West MP and former FIFA vice-president, Jack Warner, yesterday was unfazed by two major developments in the footballing world, both locally and globally, and instead assured that his day will come.

Yesterday Acting Commissioner of Police (CoP) Stephen Williams announced that police have completed their probe into the 2011 Caribbean Football Union (CFU) cash-for-votes controversy and have sent their findings to Director of Public Prosecutions (DPP) Roger Gaspard.

And yesterday internationally, there were also reports of a FIFA probe into claims of impropriety and influence-peddling by Qatar in its successful bid to host the 2022 FIFA World Cup, largely involving Mohammed bin Hammam, a central figure of the CFU controversy.

With allegations of bribes worth $3 million pounds sterling paid to football honchoes to win Qatar’s bid, several of the losing bidders are reported to have called for bidding on the 2022 games to be re-run.

Warner had stepped down as FIFA vice-president and as Concacaf president after the CFU controversy that had occurred during bin Hammam’s leadership challenge to FIFA president, Sepp Blatter.

Warner sent his brief reaction in an email to Newsday, saying, “I have said countless times before and I again reiterate once again today that I have no intention of dignifying the American harassment and demonisation of bin Hammam and Qatar with a reply of any kind to anyone on any matter related to this issue in particular and football in general. And that decision has not changed,” asserted Warner. “Suffice it to say that my day will come.”

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« Reply #2378 on: June 04, 2014, 04:31:00 AM »
You don't get more of a defeated / surrender statement than that from Renraw.
No more threatening to sue. What a ting!. Truly pathetic. Not one of his disciples coming to his defence.
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« Reply #2379 on: June 04, 2014, 08:38:48 AM »
Me and a lot of other people have been waiting for your day to come. It ain't here yet. Suffice it to say it is taking too long.
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« Reply #2380 on: June 04, 2014, 09:20:31 AM »
Me and a lot of other people have been waiting for your day to come. It ain't here yet. Suffice it to say it is taking too long.

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Jack Warner: FIFA 'will never change' under Sepp Blatter
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« Reply #2382 on: June 13, 2014, 12:37:58 PM »
Look dey ban Beckenbauer fuh a few days ... due to not cooperating. Hmmm.

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« Reply #2383 on: June 18, 2014, 08:44:18 AM »
England in focus over Warner dinner
Trinidad Express, Jun 15, 2014


England could be sanctioned by football’s world governing body for a breach of rules over a lavish dinner organised by disgraced former Fifa vice-president Jack Warner. This is according to an article yesterday in the Telegraph newspaper in England.

According to the paper, England were dragged into the World Cup bribery probe after it emerged its 2018 bid team had been quizzed about paying for a £35,000 dinner organised by former FIFA vice-president Warner.

The chief investigator of football’s world governing body is understood to have asked England 2018 executives why they agreed to pick up the bill for the event, which took place 10 months before the vote to decide the location of the 2018 and 2022 tournaments.

Michael J Garcia’s interest in the arrangement will spark fears that England could be sanctioned for a breach of rules which prohibited bid committees from providing “any benefit, opportunity, promise, remuneration or service” to those involved in the 2010 vote.

Qatar’s triumph in the 2022 contest has been the focus of most of the corruption allegations which have emerged in recent weeks following investigations spearheaded by The Daily Telegraph. But the bidding process for the 2018 tournament—which was awarded to Russia—has also been investigated by Garcia.
The American’s probe is understood to have included examining all friendly matches played by bidding nations with the countries of Fifa executive committee members ahead of the 2010.


England World Cup 2018 bid team quizzed by Fifa investigator Michael Garcia over £35,000 dinner
By Ben Rumsby (UK Telegraph), in Rio de Janeiro, 15 Jun 2014


England could be sanctioned by football’s world governing body for a breach of rules over a lavish dinner organised by disgraced former Fifa vice-president Jack Warner

England were dragged into the World Cup bribery probe on Sunday night after it emerged its 2018 bid team had been quizzed about paying for a £35,000 dinner organised by disgraced former Fifa vice-president Jack Warner.

The chief investigator of football’s world governing body is understood to have asked England 2018 executives why they agreed to pick up the bill for the event, which took place 10 months before the vote to decide the location of the 2018 and 2022 tournaments.

Michael J Garcia’s interest in the arrangement will spark fears that England could be sanctioned for a breach of rules which prohibited bid committees from providing “any benefit, opportunity, promise, remuneration or service” to those involved in the 2010 vote.

Qatar’s triumph in the 2022 contest has been the focus of most of the corruption allegations which have emerged in recent weeks following investigations spearheaded by The Daily Telegraph. But the bidding process for the 2018 tournament – which was awarded to Russia – has also been investigated by Garcia.

The American’s probe is understood to have included examining all friendly matches played by bidding nations with the countries of Fifa executive committee members ahead of the 2010.

England’s friendly against Trinidad & Tobago in June 2008 should escape scrutiny as it took place before their bid was officially registered in 2009, despite the Football Association announcing its intention to bid some time before the match.

However, England 2018 did promise Thailand’s Fifa executive committee member a friendly with his country, which the FA cancelled after receiving only two votes in total.

Warner, who quit Fifa in 2011 amid a wave of corruption allegations against him, was openly courted by England’s bid team in the run-up to the December 2010 vote, in which he also took part.

The 71-year-old convinced bid leaders to pay for a lavish gala dinner for 160 people from the Caribbean Football Union, which took place in Port of Spain, Trinidad, in February 2010.

David Dein, the former Arsenal and FA vice-chairman, addressed the event in his role as international president of the 2018 bid team.

Warner said on the eve of the dinner: “It is costing the FA about £35,000, but I think that is money well spent as it allows them to speak to all 32 countries from the CFU.

“It also means I will be able to get the collective view of my membership about who they think should host the World Cup when the time comes for me to decide who I should vote for.”

At the time, England 2018 said the payment would allow the CFU to spend the money it had saved on football projects.

The FA refused to comment on Sunday night on Garcia’s probe but sources close to bid leaders said their lawyers were comfortable they had not breached any rules.

Other bidding countries also staged friendlies against FIFA members’ countries – for example Japan played Guatemala.

Garcia, expected to submit his report before the end of next month, attempted to interview all bid committees and Fifa executive committee members involved in the 2010 vote.

Franz Beckenbauer was banned on Friday for failing to cooperate with the inquiry, preventing him carrying out any football duties or attending matches anywhere in the world.

The sanction prompted him yesterday to pledge to answer questions posed by Garcia, the 68-year-old having insisted he had nothing to hide.

Beckenbauer said he would respond by June 27 and called on Fifa’s ethics committee to lift the 90-day provisional ban that currently prevents him attending this summer’s World Cup.

Fifa did not respond to requests for comment.

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« Reply #2384 on: June 18, 2014, 08:51:56 AM »
Gifts in the millions
By By Camini Marajh Head, Investigative Desk (T&T Express)


Story Created: Jun 14, 2014 at 9:07 PM ECT
 
Former high-flying FIFA execu­tive and Member of Parliament for Chaguanas West Jack Warner accepted gifts from nations bidding to secure World Cup hosting rights in the run-up to the 2010 vote in violation of the Integrity in Public Life Act (IPLA) and FIFA’s own bid rules.

Sunday Express investigations have found Warner accepted gifts valued in the millions of dollars from bidding nations, including the English football association, The FA; the Russians, Qatar’s Mohammed bin Hammam and Australia. Gifts, according to his annual filings, that were not disclosed to the Integrity Commission or the Board of Inland Revenue, as required by law.

In the months leading up to the December 2010 vote for the 2018 and 2022 World Cups, The FA sought to curry favour with the former Caribbean football jefe and voting member of FIFA, the world governing body for football, according to documents seen by this reporter.

The FA’s Director of Campaign Operations for England’s 2018 bid, Jane Bateman, was the point person in contact with Warner, the powerful and influential former Executive Committee (ExCo) member of FIFA who was forced out of world administrative football in 2011 by a cash-for-votes affair at the Hyatt Regency (Trinidad) hotel in Port of Spain.

Documents obtained by the Sunday Express reveal The FA agreed to sponsor a dinner hosted by the Carib­bean Football Union (CFU), of which Warner was founder and president, to the tune of £35,608 or TT$382,900.

In the run-up to FIFA’s controversial bid to select host nations for the 2018 and 2022 World Cups, England sought to secure Warner’s support by footing the bill for the Warner-arranged CFU dinner at the Joao Havelange Centre of Excellence, Macoya, and provide financial and technical support for other Warner-identified development projects in Trinidad.

Prince William, the Duke of Cambridge and former English star footballer David Beckham also flew to Trinidad in the frantic bid to woo the very influential Jack Warner, who was not shy about asking for favours, as documents seen by this newspaper show.

In a February 15, 2010, e-mail to Bateman, the substantive head of The FA’s International Relations, Warner wrote: “Dear Jane, Indeed, I had a very successful meeting with your affable Deputy High Commissioner, His Excellency Geoff Patton, which as usual is always quite cordial and very productive. During that meeting I did indicate my willingness to have The FA attend the CFU Congress scheduled to take place during the period February 24 – 28, 2010 and host a reception.”

Warner noted: “In this regard I do extend my invitation to The FA and I eagerly await your proposal as promised concerning the recepti­on.”

In the back-and-forth discussions relating to The FA’s hospitality to the CFU, Warner, in a February 16 e-mail to Bateman said: “I will arrange for your visit to Longdenville with the usual media hype as soon as you advise me of your travel schedule and the members of your delegation.”

In an e-mail response that same day, Bateman thanked Warner for the background information provided on Longdenville and noted: “Very interesting. We would be happy to look for a twinning partner for Longdenville and will give it some thought prior to our visit, although it may be easier to do so once we have been there. Also, we would be very happy to visit during our stay.”

Warner had included a newspaper report published in the Guar­dian titled “Longdenville sportsmen appeal to Jack Warner”, in his bid to drum up financial support for his old hometown. He told Bateman in the February 16 e-mail about a meeting he had with the village folk.

“There was much discussion on the nature of the problem of the sportsmen and, following this, I informed them that I shall make every effort, through my international contacts, to assist them as per the newspaper report.”

He said the needs of the villagers were “basic” and related to the repair of the Longdenville recreation ground and the “provision of some cricket and football equipment”. He also revealed a personal political motive for the request, as this excerpt shows.

“In successfully assisting them (villagers) my political stocks locally (which are presently on a high) will soar positioning me in an extremely favourable position to successfully lead my Party in local elections which are due in six months time as well as in general elections which shall become due 18 months later.”
In another e-mail to Bateman on February 21, 2010, Warner noted: “Jane, once again, I do wish to thank The FA for its sponsorship of the CFU dinner. The dinner will have a total of 160 persons coming from 30 countries and is really the flagship event of the CFU. I enclose the dinner budget for The FA’s attention and action—be seeing you soon.”

Warner did not immediately respond to a voice mail request for comment and Bateman, who initially said she would respond by the close of Friday, yesterday referred the Sunday Express to The FA’s press office.
Scott Field, an FA media official yesterday made clear that: “We’ll take seriously any allegation you make that The FA operated outside of any rules or made any financial payments.”

He said: “Officially, we have no comment to make on the assertions. As I say we will take any accusation of wrongdoing very seriously.”

FIFA rules disallowed bid committees or any of their associations from giving gifts to FIFA officials or trying to influence the vote in any way despite persistent accusations of rampant corruption in the world football governing body and an ongoing corruption investigation relating to Qatar’s successful bid for the 2022 World Cup by FIFA ethics investigator Michael Garcia.

The bid committees were bound by FIFA rules which state that gifts given during the World Cup bidding process should be no more than “occasional gifts that are generally regarded as having symbolic or incidental value”.

The value of Russia’s largesse was reported to be over US$100,000—hardly the incidental value described in the FIFA-issued bid rules. The former Soviet power picked up a tab said to be over US$100,000 for a four-day visit to Russia for Warner, his wife Maureen and two aides, according to documents seen by this newspaper.

Warner stayed at the Ritz Carlton and had private meetings with Russian President and the then Prime Minister Vladimir Putin, Russia’s Sport, Tourism and Youth Policy Minister Vitaly Mukto and Transport and Communication Minister Igor Levitin.

He toured the historic Russian Kremlin (a fortified complex at the heart of Moscow), met with Putin at the Russian White House and took in the Swan Lake ballet at the Stanis­lavsky Theatre before flying to Zurich on October 27, 2010.

In the case of the Australians, a US$462,000 donation for a Trinidad stadium upgrade ended up in Warner’s pockets. Australia also provided a US$2.5 million grant to Warner’s buddy and president of the Jamaican Football Federation Captain Horace Burrell late in the bidding process in October 2010.
Former corporate affairs manager of Australia’s Football Federation Bonita Mersiades told the Sunday Express about the machinations and backroom deal-making of Australia’s bid consultant, Peter Hagitay, whom she described as “a very old friend of Jack Warner”.

She told the Sunday Express how Hagitay harangued her about a gift of pearl jewelry handed out to FIFA ExCo members and their partners at a private dinner held at the private mansion of billionaire Frank Lowy, president of the Fede­ration and one of Australia’s richest men in 2008 before the FIFA-issued bid rules in 2009.

She said she kept being told by Hagitay “Jack’s wife wanted her pearls”.

Mersiades said: “He told me, my boss Ben Buckley and the president Frank Lowy at least ten times that Jack was asking for his wife’s pearl necklace. I was told by Ben Buckley to buy one and get it to her, which I did. I purchased it at a shop in Dubai en route to Zurich as I had a ten-hour stopover. It was on a 50 per cent sale in Dubai and it cost around US$1,000.”

Mersiades said the pearl pendant for Mrs Warner was purchased after the bid rules were issued.
“At the time I bought them I sent a note to my boss and to Frank Lowy more or less saying I felt very uncomfortable buying this necklace at this time as it fell outside the FIFA guidelines. I don’t consider a US$2,000 gift to be incidental but the reaction to the note was to be told not to write a note like that again. Buckley told me off about it!”

She said Australia also flew Trinidad and Tobago’s Under-20 team to a training camp in Cyprus at a cost of about US$250,000. She also talked about the debate over the gift Australia’s former prime minister Kevin Rudd should give Warner during a November 2009 visit to Trinidad for the Commonwealth Heads of Government Meeting.

Mersiades said she had suggested a bottle of red Australian wine, but Hagitay objected, saying it would be “insulting” and that a case of wine would be a more appropriate gift. She said Rudd gave Warner a bottle and Hagitay wrote in an e-mail that: “A bottle of wine is a bit very cheesy/cheap if not embarrassing. If anything, a case is more of an idea.”

She said Warner was very well treated by the Aussies. “Almost every bit of advice that Hagitay gave us was through the prism of Jack Warner. It got to the stage where I asked Peter and my boss why we were so focused on Warner when his own Confederation via the USA was bidding.” She said she found Warner to be “very affable, friendly and easy to talk to”.

“He had no airs or graces. At functions, he was always generous with his time. In this regard, he was a typical politician and very dissimilar to his friend, Hagitay,” said Bonita, who wrote this about the Warners in her book, The Bid—Secre­ts of the Battle to Host the World Cup: “Jack and Maureen looked like any other well-heeled couple in their late 60s. They both looked fit and healthy; Jack was wearing his FIFA blue blazer over a yellow, white and navy striped polo shirt; Maureen was wearing black trousers and top with a lime green Jackie O-style jacket, trimmed with black. I was disappointed she wasn’t wearing her pearl pendant.”

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Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
« Reply #2385 on: June 18, 2014, 10:58:49 AM »
Horner! defend your father!

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« Reply #2386 on: June 18, 2014, 01:50:20 PM »
Jackula more than highly radioactive now. Wuss dan having leprosy.
Even Horner bussin' it and leaving him hangin' high and dry by his lonely angry self
and de man fanclub (or what remains of it) disappearing at busloads per minute
as if a real flecking tsunami comin' in truth. Renraw you were right.
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« Reply #2387 on: July 08, 2014, 02:06:54 AM »
Warner hopes payment isn’t PR spin.
T&T Newsday Reports.


FORMER Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (TTFF) special advisor Jack Austin Warner has wished the 13 members of the 2006 Soca Warriors well, after Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar announced yesterday that the players will be receiving the sum of US$1.3 million owed to them following a prolonged bonus pay dispute with the local governing body (now called TT Football Association).

In a media release, Warner, who also served as vice-president of FIFA as well as president of Concaf and CFU, said, “I want to take this opportunity to wish them well and to hope that this finally brings closure to this matter.”

Warner allegedly made the infamous promise to the national team, dubbed “the Soca Warriors” after the squad’s goalless draw against Sweden in the 2006 FIFA World Cup in Germany.

Yesterday, Warner wrote, “this group of footballers who played three matches in the 2006 World Cup and who never scored a goal nor win a match and who now stand to benefit from the Prime Minister’s benevolent gesture received $20 million from the Patrick Manning administration, $7 million from FIFA, $4 million from the TTFF, $6 million from Jack Warner through the courts of Trinidad and Tobago and now $1.3 million US from the People’s Partnership Government; a total sum of close to $50 million and this excludes gifts from private organisations like CLICO and others.”

The former Government Minister continued, “it is my sincere wish that this is the end of this story and that the furniture and the archival material, which the TTFA lost when this team of footballers levied on the TTFF, will now be returned to it.”

Warner also called on the Prime Minister “to demonstrate that this is truly benevolence and not Public Relations to lift the flagging image of her Minister of Sport (Anil Roberts)” by saving the home of former TTFF president Oliver Camps.

He revealed, “(in 2006 he) signed a promissory note of $480,000 US, on behalf of the TTFF, in order to procure the services of Wim Rijsbergen as coach of the national team.

“The TTFF has been unable to raise the money and now Al Roberts’ firm, father of the Minister of Sport (Anil Roberts), is now moving to levy on (Camps). If he cannot raise the money he will lose it by September 2014, if not before.”

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Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
« Reply #2388 on: July 08, 2014, 08:39:45 AM »
Warner hopes payment isn’t PR spin.

You regret now that you did not give them their due. Have the gall stones to ask if is PR?

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« Reply #2389 on: July 08, 2014, 09:35:49 AM »
This man clearly don't have a clue what shame is nah...smh

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Warriors’ attorney: TTFA and Warner not off the hook; uneasy about gov’t pay-off
By Lasana Liburd (Wired868)


Michael Townley, the British attorney of the 13 World Cup 2006 players, shared the emotions of much of Trinidad and Tobago at the news that the “Soca Warriors” have finally been paid the agreed sum for their participation at the senior FIFA tournament in Germany.

Townley told Wired868 that he was relieved, happy, confused and stunned in equal measure at Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar’s financial intervention as well as the responses from Trinidad and Tobago Football Association (TTFA)1 president Raymond Tim Kee and ex-FIFA vice-president and local football special advisor Jack Warner.

He explained that his first contact with the Trinidad and Tobago Government came last Friday when, at the request of former World Cup player Brent Sancho, he phoned Attorney General Anand Ramlogan, SC, to discuss the case.

Townley also had a conversation with the press attaché at the Office of the Prime Minister. But he admitted that he never fully came to grips with what was happening in Trinidad before the media conference yesterday at the Diplomatic Centre in St Ann’s.

“I asked what are the conditions attached to the payment and I never fully understood what was happening there,” Townley told Wired868. “On one hand, it seemed that the government was giving us the money and that was the end of it. And, on the other hand, it seemed as if we might have to pay them back pursuant to us recovering the money from the TTFF1 or Jack Warner. Or that the TTFF might have to pay the money back to the government.

“It is ambiguous to be honest. It happened so fast that I haven’t been able to put my stamp on the payment and the conditions.”

In the wake of the media conference, Sancho said that the players maintain the right to go after the TTFA and/or its former advisor Jack Warner, who was chairman of the Local Organising Committee that collected revenue for the Germany World Cup on behalf of the football body.

Wired868 was told that, up until yesterday’s media conference, TTFA general secretary Sheldon Phillips pleaded with Government to pay the World Cup players through the football body. The response was allegedly consistently negative.

Phillips denied that either he or the TTFA ever made such a request. But Tim Kee told the Trinidad Express that, in his opinion, the government’s payment had relieved the TTFA of its debt obligations.

“If a debt is owed and the debt is settled, it doesn’t matter from what source, it is settled,” said Tim Kee, who earlier this year had threatened to shut down the football body to deny the players their due. “I didn’t know that the Government is in the loan business; there is a big difference between loans and grants…

“It didn’t matter where the money came from, I’m extremely elated that this matter has been settled. It has been a real load on my back.”

Not for the first time, Townley suggested that Tim Kee’s understanding of the legal issues surrounding the bonus dispute was less than solid.

“The Prime Minister said that the payment was made without prejudice to the accrued rights of the Soca Warriors,” said Townley. “Raymond’s fragile grasp of legal reality is displayed again by his statements…

“If you are in a debtor/creditor relationship with someone and another party comes along and says ‘I feel sorry for you and here is a wad of money,’ it doesn’t mean that the other person’s debt to you disappears. That is illogical.”

Townley pointed out the Prime Minister was very careful in her statements so as not to prejudice the legal rights of the players. He suggested that Tim Kee was either intentionally being silly or needed to make better use of legal advice.

“The Prime Minister has been careful to say that she is not getting into the legal matter between the players and the TTFA,” said Townley. “And, even if she were to make the payment on behalf of the TTFA, it doesn’t extinguish the debt; it just transfers it so that they will owe the government now.

“His suggestion that the debt evaporated is a ridiculous interpretation of the legal situation.”

Townley said that whether his clients would continue to pursue action against the TTFA and, possibly, Warner would depend on the players themselves, not him.

This morning, Sancho suggested that they would do just that. Any goodwill won by the football body last year after the opening payment to the players evaporated earlier this year when Tim Kee publicly insulted the players and  threatened to close down the TTFA to avoid settling the debt; and Phillips issued a media release which warned that the football body intended to “continue uninterrupted” despite the Warriors’ anger.

Wired868 understands that Phillips approached the players at the Diplomatic Centre yesterday and claimed that the money they received was thanks to the efforts of the football body. The players, an insider alleged, not-so-politely asked him to leave.

“The next step is to talk to the legal minds to see how we can continue with the pursuance,” Sancho told Wired868. “We still have to talk things over with Mike (Townley) and talk as a group. But yesterday’s settlement had absolutely nothing to do with the TTFF.”

Townley explained that the players still feel it necessary to make Warner account for the alleged misappropriation of millions meant for local football. And the only way to do so is to go through the football body, which has continually declined to take legal action against its former trustee.

If the players stick to their guns, Tim Kee and Phillips will have to either go after Warner or be closed down.

“We have never been able to find a way legally to go after Warner,” said Townley. “He has been able to shield himself effectively behind the TTFF. The TTFA could go after him or they could assign their rights to sue Warner to us or some other entity.

“Or, if they are wound up, the liquidator can sue Warner in the name of the company.”

For Tim Kee, the present PNM treasurer and Port of Spain mayor who served as Warner’s vice-president for almost two decades, it is an interesting dilemma.

During his rise to the post of TTFA president, Tim Kee repeatedly denied claims that he was Warner’s “stooge.” However, it was two of Warner’s staunchest allies in local football, Central Football Association president Bryan Layne and Eastern Football Association general secretary Neville Ferguson, who were reportedly responsible for his nomination to the post.

“If there is a will to do so, we will go after the (TTFA),” said Townley. “There is no compromise of the players’ claim.”

Regarding Warner’s release in reaction to yesterday’s payment to the players, Townley said he almost fell out of his chair when he read it.

“The man is so without grace,” he said, “it is amazing.”

But it was Warner’s statement that first raised in Townley’s mind an issue concerning yesterday’s settlement about which he has mixed feelings.

Obviously thrilled to be paid, the attorney nevertheless opined that the way the announcement of the payment was handled by Persad-Bissessar was “mind-boggling.”

“That the (Prime Minister) can effectively say we are going to spend a few million dollars on the players because it will make me feel good,” said Townley. “… That couldn’t happen in the UK; or certainly not that quickly without a parliamentary debate about it. But that is not to say it couldn’t  happen like that in other places…

“If I was a citizen of Trinidad and Tobago or even a football fan, I would be pissed off at this. It is a messy situation because essentially someone else has paid Warner’s debt and he is off the hook again.”

Over the coming weeks, the13 World Cup 2006 players will decide whether to continue their pursuit of Warner, who once declared that they would only ever get their money over his dead body.

If the players do decide to keep up the fight, the TTFA must decide whether it will stand by them or put its own operations at risk by continuing to back its former trustee.

Crucially, elections of officers for all the zonal football bodies as well as for the TTFA Executive are due this year.


Editor’s Note: The Trinidad and Tobago Football Association changed its name to the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation in 1992 before reverting to its original title last year.

« Last Edit: July 12, 2014, 07:46:57 AM by Flex »

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The government doesn't want to help the TTFA/TTFF to pay off its debts especially with Tim Lee a PNM supporter in charge.

The loan to the players was just a PR stunt to make the PM look good before heading off on her Brazilian world cup holiday.

If the players still go after the the TTFA and/or Jack then the government gets two of its perceived enemies for the price of one while looking like angles hence why they did not give the money to the TTFA.

In reality the PM and government doesn't care about T&T football and this was just a PR exercise to make themselves look good.
If the government really cared about T&T football they would have forced Jack to repay the money he stole from the TTFF while he was a member of the government.
They would also be quite aware that the players money helped to fund their election campaigns in 2006 and 2010 so if they were grateful an appropriate payment would have been paid back to the TTFF to settle the dispute with the players ages ago.
« Last Edit: July 08, 2014, 01:12:57 PM by Socapro »
De higher a monkey climbs is de less his ass is on de line, if he works for FIFA that is! ;-)

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The government doesn't want to help the TTFA/TTFF to pay off its debts especially with Tim Lee a PNM supporter in charge.

The loan to the players was just a PR stunt to make the PM look good before heading off on her Brazilian world cup holiday.

If the players go after the the TTFA and/or Jack then the government gets two of its perceived enemies for the price of one hence why they did not give the money to the TTFA.

In reality the PM and government doesn't care about T&T football and this was just a PR exercise to make themselves look good. If the government really cared about T&T football they would have forced Jack to repay the money he stole from the TTFF while he was a member of the government.
They would also be quite aware that the players money helped to fund their election campaign in 2006 and 2010 so if they were grateful an appropriate payment would have been paid back to the TTFF to settle the dispute with the players ages ago.

How they will force Jack when the books would show funds went from Dundonald Street POS to SMR Couva at Rienzi. It have a reason why this was done. It have more in the mortar than the pesstle. Who knows what but in addition to the PR stunt it have something else. It might be a case of CYB ( Cover Yuh Butt). They hope by giving players the money it would end the isue and nothing can be traced back to them.
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The government doesn't want to help the TTFA/TTFF to pay off its debts especially with Tim Lee a PNM supporter in charge.

The loan to the players was just a PR stunt to make the PM look good before heading off on her Brazilian world cup holiday.

If the players go after the the TTFA and/or Jack then the government gets two of its perceived enemies for the price of one hence why they did not give the money to the TTFA.

In reality the PM and government doesn't care about T&T football and this was just a PR exercise to make themselves look good. If the government really cared about T&T football they would have forced Jack to repay the money he stole from the TTFF while he was a member of the government.
They would also be quite aware that the players money helped to fund their election campaign in 2006 and 2010 so if they were grateful an appropriate payment would have been paid back to the TTFF to settle the dispute with the players ages ago.

How they will force Jack when the books would show funds went from Dundonald Street POS to SMR Couva at Rienzi. It have a reason why this was done. It have more in the mortar than the pesstle. Who knows what but in addition to the PR stunt it have something else. It might be a case of CYB ( Cover Yuh Butt). They hope by giving players the money it would end the isue and nothing can be traced back to them.

Spot on!
However what they were hoping for (without saying it outright) the players have not fallen for.
They are probably annoyed that the players are still pursuing their case but considering they should have paid the money directly to the TTFA if they wanted to end the issue then they should have done exactly that.
In the end playing politics with our football may come back to bite them in the ass.
« Last Edit: July 08, 2014, 01:19:36 PM by Socapro »
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Thanks for the story Lasana.
Thanks to Flex, Tallman and crew for being facilitators in their own way of somehow learning the truth.
Congrats Brent, Kelvin, Shaka, Cornel, Stern and others who paid your dues, and took career damaging  blacklisting on the chin ... and still taking insults as I read the news.
You all are real (bjut still unsung) heroes and we would be stuck with Renraw, Scamps, Rodent and the rest of the parasitic Cornmealy bugs had it not ben for you all. Funnily, because of your sacrifice, characters such as Anton and more deserving others like Latas might get paid, and Beenie just might consider coming back so we can show Costa Rica that we eh get leff behind completely for good.

Remember Warriors, as you have been hinting, this will help undo some damage and put food on the table and help you invest to secure your futures a little better but now you have more leverage to really help socawarrior fans and the football sector be liberated. Time to train all metaphorical guns of the legal system (note the emphasis on the word legal) on Jackulito, Scampito and Rodent and their dis theciples and all their ill gotten gains that have robbed the football sector and country of developmental revenue for football.

Renraw, the noose is tightening and there is little room to hide in T&T as yuh done know that you eh dare fly out of T&T, maybe not even to Tobago. Ah know iz painful. What a ting! Iz a frightening thing to know that anyone of yuh padnahs could have a metaphorical knife behind dey back and be ready to betray you as dey conveniently join de bandwaggon to slay de dragon. Cyah trus' yuh own children as de feds have dem by dey stones. Not even horner you can trust.
 
Press on Sancho, Kelvin, Shaka and crew. Scampito then Jackulito & any others involved in this nastiness will be brought to their knees. Zero to hero for you and the reverse for you know who. Doh hold back at all at all.  No mercy. The work now start. Keep yuh eye on the ball and on principle.
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Thinking about it our PM must be a real dunce.

So you are trying to tell me you hate the PNM so much that because Tim Lee the man in charge at the TTFA is seen as a PNM supporter that you are not prepared to donate the money owing to the players to the TTFA so that they could pay off their debts to the players?

So instead you try to pay the players direct even though legally you are not in a position as the leader of the T&T government and no part of the TTFA to do so and should also be aware of that fact as a qualified lawyer.

I rest my case that politics has seemingly blinded our PM to logic and commonsense and has somehow reduced her to a dunce.  :-\
« Last Edit: July 08, 2014, 01:43:29 PM by Socapro »
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Thanks for the story Lasana.
Thanks to Flex, Tallman and crew for being facilitators in their own way of somehow learning the truth.
Congrats Brent, Kelvin, Shaka, Cornel, Stern and others who paid your dues, and took career damaging  blacklisting on the chin ... and still taking insults as I read the news.
You all are real (bjut still unsung) heroes and we would be stuck with Renraw, Scamps, Rodent and the rest of the parasitic Cornmealy bugs had it not ben for you all. Funnily, because of your sacrifice, characters such as Anton and more deserving others like Latas might get paid, and Beenie just might consider coming back so we can show Costa Rica that we eh get leff behind completely for good.

Remember Warriors, as you have been hinting, this will help undo some damage and put food on the table and help you invest to secure your futures a little better but now you have more leverage to really help socawarrior fans and the football sector be liberated. Time to train all metaphorical guns of the legal system (note the emphasis on the word legal) on Jackulito, Scampito and Rodent and their dis theciples and all their ill gotten gains that have robbed the football sector and country of developmental revenue for football.

Renraw, the noose is tightening and there is little room to hide in T&T as yuh done know that you eh dare fly out of T&T, maybe not even to Tobago. Ah know iz painful. What a ting! Iz a frightening thing to know that anyone of yuh padnahs could have a metaphorical knife behind dey back and be ready to betray you as dey conveniently join de bandwaggon to slay de dragon. Cyah trus' yuh own children as de feds have dem by dey stones. Not even horner you can trust.
 
Press on Sancho, Kelvin, Shaka and crew. Scampito then Jackulito & any others involved in this nastiness will be brought to their knees. Zero to hero for you and the reverse for you know who. Doh hold back at all at all.  No mercy. The work now start. Keep yuh eye on the ball and on principle.

U 4get Eman whose thread help them follow the money.
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Eh forget E man at all but must be explicitly said, thanks E man, ... you too Weary and the WHOLE socawarrior fan base of posters too many to mention. Allyuh seeing hard work pay off. Dem eh owe we nutten but ah sense a principled mission unfinished..
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Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
« Reply #2399 on: July 10, 2014, 02:10:33 AM »
Warriors go after Jack
T&T Express Reports.


The Trinidad and Tobago Football Association (TTFA) is the only avenue through which 13 members of the 2006 World Cup team feel they can have its former special adviser, ex-FIFA vice-president Jack Warner, account for funds raised during the World Cup campaign eight years ago.

ESPN analyst and 2006 Soca Warriors goalkeeper Neil “Shaka” Hislop stated yesterday that was the reason the group had not ended legal proceedings against the Association, despite Government on Monday making agreeing to make a final US$1.3 bonus payment to them by the Association.

Speaking yesterday on the TV6 World Cup programme, Hislop said: “Our only avenue to make him realise that responsibility is the Trinidad and Tobago Football Association. We will get our legal minds around it and (see) how we can make him accountable and not deny the young boys and girls the opportunities we enjoyed.”

Hislop anticipates that some TT $200m was raised during the 2006 World Cup campaign that qualified Trinidad and Tobago as the smallest nation to play in a FIFA Men’s World Cup. He also thinks that at most, expenses accounted for half of the money raised. “There is a one hundred million hole that Mr. Warner has not addressed, and so far refuses to address,” Hislop said.

“It’s not just about money anymore. Its about accountability,” added Soca Warriors defender Brent Sancho.

Hislop added that he was aware that some people would call them “greedy”.

“But some also called us silly when we began,” Hislop countered. “When we began we had no idea what we were due. We just knew it was more that the $5,800 Mr. Warner was offering. Pretty quickly after that we found out it was not about what we were due, but what Mr. Warner was prepared to pay to not reveal the $100m dollars.”

Hislop said the next step is to consult with head lawyer Mike Townley and discuss the next step forward. The intention, he said is not to disrupt the function of the local football association.

“We don’t expect to infringe on the rights of the TTFA, or FIFA guidelines outlining interference, as it pertains to how football is governed,” Hislop said. “We have absolutely no intention of overthrowing anybody, least of all the Trinidad and Tobago Football Association. Our sole intention is to have Mr. Warner be accountable.”

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