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« Reply #3420 on: April 11, 2011, 09:27:51 AM »
In two minds about the takeover. I think the club is already well run and don't want him to come in and mash it up. Maybe he could push Wenger to be a bit more aggressive in the transfer market though. Time will tell.

Hopefully Djourou, Song and Szczesny come back for this weekend's game. We have Liverpool Sunday and Sp*rs next Wednesday (the game in hand) so 2 tough ones in a row. Nothing but 6 points will do for the title challenge.

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looks like arsenal has a new boss, but its business as usual, nto sure if we will buy and sell in summer as a result or if it was already planned to

either way

glad we got the 3 points BUT we still wasting goal chances AND defensive brain farts are still going to cost us till the end of the season

we got a few BIG games up next

starting with liverpool, the spurs then bolton then manu

all potential banana's except manu  :devil:
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« Reply #3421 on: April 12, 2011, 02:15:46 PM »
just so this can be at the top of the forum while the red n blue scum fight it out  :devil:

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« Reply #3422 on: April 13, 2011, 03:25:47 PM »
Szczesny and Djourou expected back for Liverpool. Don't know about Song though. Like the sound of that as we back to our strongest defence, but I fraid Denilson play instead of Song. Although if Liverpool play the heavy pressing game they did against City he might not be such a bad pick, as long as somebody else does the tackling for him.
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« Reply #3423 on: April 13, 2011, 03:36:15 PM »
Arsenal director Danny Fizmann died today, probably why he wanted to sell shares before he did die


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« Reply #3424 on: April 13, 2011, 09:52:20 PM »
Szczesny and Djourou expected back for Liverpool. Don't know about Song though. Like the sound of that as we back to our strongest defence, but I fraid Denilson play instead of Song. Although if Liverpool play the heavy pressing game they did against City he might not be such a bad pick, as long as somebody else does the tackling for him.

Denilson will not play if Diaby, Wilshere and Ramsey are fit. I would be very surprised if Wenger hasn't lost patience with Denilson by now. Now that we're only playing one game a week, Denilson should no longer be needed.

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« Reply #3425 on: April 13, 2011, 09:59:52 PM »
I believe you're right. I sincerely hope so. Taking Denilson off at halftime a few weeks ago was the first time in ages I remember seeing Wenger make an unforced tactical substitution before the 60th minute. The old ruthlessness is coming back.

I had forgotten about Diaby. Nice to see he has his shooting boots back... for now. Long may it continue. Would like to see more of Rambo, but I honestly haven't paid much attention to his defensive work.

Szczesny and Djourou expected back for Liverpool. Don't know about Song though. Like the sound of that as we back to our strongest defence, but I fraid Denilson play instead of Song. Although if Liverpool play the heavy pressing game they did against City he might not be such a bad pick, as long as somebody else does the tackling for him.

Denilson will not play if Diaby, Wilshere and Ramsey are fit. I would be very surprised if Wenger hasn't lost patience with Denilson by now. Now that we're only playing one game a week, Denilson should no longer be needed.
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« Reply #3426 on: April 14, 2011, 11:06:40 AM »
From Le Boss:

"We have no new injuries but we have a big doubt on Sagna," Wenger told Arsenal TV Online on Thursday.

"Djourou and Wojciech are question marks. Will they be fit? That all has still to be decided. We have two more days to find out. It could be a possibility that they could be available. "It's difficult to say what their chances are. We have a test Thursday, we have a big test to see how they survive the training session. That will be very important.

"Denilson and Song have a chance to be available as well."

Thomas Vermaelen will not be fit to face Liverpool but Wenger confirmed that the Belgian defender is back in full training after missing most of the season with tendon problems.

"I am not reluctant to use him but he is not match fit yet," said the manager. "He just joined the team this week so we have to be a bit patient with him."
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« Reply #3427 on: April 15, 2011, 12:32:56 PM »
The Island of Arsenal
Will an American billionaire change the culture of England's most glamorous soccer club?

By Brian Phillips
Posted Thursday, April 14, 2011, at 12:13 PM ET
http://www.slate.com/id/2291241/pagenum/all

It's impossible to talk about Arsenal without talking about the je ne sais quoi of Arsenal, its ineffable Arsenal-ness, that special mélange of esprit and souffrance that sets Arsenal willfully and gloriously and somewhat ludicrously apart from every other soccer team in England. Arsenal plays the most stylish soccer, an intricate passing game of overlapping runs and constant movement. Arsenal suffers the most agonizing collapses: five years and counting without a trophy. Arsenal's manager, Arsene Wenger, is one of soccer's great self-dooming visionaries, a gaunt Frenchman who'd rather lose matches than sacrifice his beau ideal of how to play the game. "I have the impression of living on an island called Arsenal," he once said. Wenger meant that he didn't know his way around London, but it might as well have been the opening salvo in a philosophical tract. In the roughhouse, smash-the-ball-and-run English Premier League, Arsenal's commitment to Wenger's delicate passing scheme makes it a city on a hill.

At the moment, though, it's a city under siege. The title drought, combined with Arsenal's recent history of spectacular late-season implosions, has called Wenger's philosophy into question. And now a change in the club's ownership threatens to alter Arsenal's essential teleology. On Monday, the news came down that Stan Kroenke, a plainspoken American billionaire and one of Arsenal's major investors, had struck a deal with other shareholders to buy a majority of the club. Control of England's most glamorous soccer team thus falls to the absolutely unglamorous real-estate developer behind the St. Louis Rams and the Denver Nuggets. The development wasn't exactly unexpected—Kroenke has been wrangling for control of Arsenal for four years, maneuvering against the Uzbek industrial magnate Alisher Usmanov—but the start of the Kroenke era throws open the question of Arsenal's identity and future. Is Wenger's approach the right one? Will Kroenke shift the club's focus toward pragmatism and at-all-costs winning? And if the club does transform under American leadership, will Arsenal still be Arsenal without its Arsenal-ness?

Kroenke's coronation already represents a big change in culture. Before the American came along, Arsenal's ownership structure was, appropriately, one of the weirdest in English sports. Other clubs are owned by single individuals (Chelsea) or staid corporations (Liverpool). Arsenal was owned by a lost scene from Casablanca. Most of the club's 62,000 shares were divided among a florid group of aristocrats and upstarts; glancing over the board of directors was like watching the Simpsons' "Ship of Lost Souls" skit. There was a millionaire diamond dealer living as a tax exile in Switzerland. There was an Indian noblewoman, Lady Nina Bracewell-Smith, who got her shares from her husband, Sir George Bracewell-Smith, who got them from his father, Sir Bracewell Smith, who was pickled in aspic during the reign of George V. There was a gentleman known, by choice, as "Sir Chips Keswick."

Surprisingly, this little band did pretty well with Arsenal, mostly by hiring executives who were smart enough to run the club's business affairs but savvy enough to leave the soccer side to Wenger. Partly because the boardroom was a democracy of sorts, it kept up excellent relations with the fans, who now own a small minority of the club and oppose a full takeover by Kroenke. (Arsenal's cosmopolitan fan base, which includes Ray Davies, Nick Hornby, and, reportedly, Her Majesty the Queen, was possibly never a perfect fit for a Missouri businessman whose wife is a Wal-Mart heiress.)

This whole crazy contraption lurched into modernity in 2006, when Arsenal moved from its antiquated little park at Highbury to the gleaming new Emirates Stadium—more a spaceship than a sports arena, more a website than a spaceship—and cleverly offset the cost by converting the team's old facility into a luxury apartment complex. For a long time, even after Kroenke and Usmanov started circling the club in 2007, it seemed as if the club could run this way forever—baronets at the center, flirting with predation by tycoons on the outside, and somehow continuing to field a top-class soccer team, like an Edith Wharton novel that dropped Jack Wilshere out the other side.

But of course it couldn't last. This is the decade of the foreign billionaire in English soccer, and the American billionaire specifically. Arsenal will be the fifth Premier League club to go under American control since the mid-2000s (though Usmanov, who owns 27 percent of the shares, could still make trouble). Kroenke's takeover coincides with mounting fan frustration over the team's trophyless streak, which has featured increasingly excruciating breakdowns. Two defeats in the final of the Carling Cup. Consecutive high-stakes upendings by Barcelona in the quarterfinals of the Champions League. The same late-season loss to a beatable team running over and over again, like a worn-out reel at a small-town movie theater.

This season has been the most crushing. In February, Arsenal was alive in all four major competitions, a rare feat. Early in that month, the team lost a 4-0 lead against Newcastle, a dazzling act of choking that had never before been achieved by a Premier League squad. Then they lost the Carling Cup final to lowly Birmingham, dramatically won the first leg of their Champions League quarter against Barcelona only to crash out in the second, and fizzled against hated rival Manchester United in the FA Cup. Arsenal could conceivably still win the Premier League—they're seven points behind Manchester United with seven games to play—but given recent history, it's hard to believe that they will.

If Kroenke has any chance of reversing this trend, he'll first have to unravel a logic puzzle. All the flaws in Arsenal's recent approach—overreliance on young players, rigid insistence on a single tactical system, a lack of ambition in the transfer market, a failure to replace stars like Thierry Henry and Patrick Vieira—can be laid at the feet of Arsene Wenger. And yet Wenger is a soccer genius, an indisputably great coach who's led the club to some of its finest moments, including three Premier League titles and, in 2003-04, the first undefeated season by any team in top-flight English soccer since 1889. He's still beloved by most fans, who've made "Arsene Knows" into a sort of soccer koan. At the general shareholders' meeting in 2007, the club unveiled a bronze bust of him. He can't be fired, and he insists he has a plan, but on the touchline he increasingly looks like a man embittered by the world's failure to live up to his standards. Give him free rein, and his young charges Fabregas, Nasri, Van Persie, and Walcott could catalyze into a force capable of winning titles for years to come. But the timeline for that development, as understandably frustrated fans point out, always seems to begin "next season." As things stand, it would be insane for Kroenke to interfere, and equally insane for Kroenke to let things slide.

It's worth noting that for all its beauty on the pitch, Arsenal's style isn't really a romantic phenomenon. The club's aura is one of smart, highbrow competence, somewhere on the border of distingué and hipsterish. (If Arsenal were American, it would appeal both to David Brooks and to people who hate David Brooks.) In other words, its glamour is essentially commercial; Arsenal, which redesigned its crest in 2002 in order to sell more shirts, is pure at heart in the same way as an indie band whose songs sound great in Mercedes advertisements. Even Wenger is sometimes most comfortable casting his ideals as pure show business. "When somebody buys a ticket and spends £50, £60, or £70, it is not because he wants to be bored," he said in 2005. "The target for every manager … is to try to entertain people."

It's possible that this is precisely what drew Kroenke to the club in the first place: Arsenal, like Apple computers or Prada, can be subjected to endless commercial exploitation without losing the prestige that makes it unique. If that's the case, then expect Kroenke to tinker very little with the formula established by the gang of aristocrats that preceded him. He'll monitor shirt sales and sponsorships, make occasional appearances at the Emirates and smile vaguely in the stands. In the meantime, the ambiguities of Arsenal's identity—the triumphant style and the shattering losses, the brilliance and the frustration—will cascade without ever resolving, like some beautiful attacking move that never quite reaches the goal.
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« Reply #3428 on: April 15, 2011, 02:55:13 PM »
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
What a great article. Glad to know there's another Gooner on here who appreciates Brian Phillips football writing. A bit self congratulatory (if he's a Gooner) but it reflects a lot of what I feel about Wenger's Arsenal, which I love for somewhat different reasons than I loved GG's Arsenal.
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« Reply #3429 on: April 17, 2011, 10:05:59 AM »
Nice piece of writing, thanks for that.

Arsenal does not need much IMHO to become a team that captures silver every year. The philosophy is set and their approach play is one of the most difficult to contain for Premiership teams. However, in front of goal Arsenal don't really scare anyone because they do not pepper the goal. Seldom do Arsenal actually score on secondary chances (rebounds etc. ) and neither do they shoot from outside the area (both related). So teams just say "right we will get tight, drop off and you pass it between us if you can and score." ie: predictable, and at times slow.
The second rectifiable situation is where are the bruisers (for lack of a better word) when its a Premiership game where sleeves need to be rolled up. In the past Petite, Viera, Keown, Parlor, Flamini etc.

So with a couple of key buys Arsenal could dominate for a while.

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« Reply #3430 on: April 17, 2011, 11:04:39 AM »
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« Reply #3431 on: April 17, 2011, 11:04:50 AM »
Listen, it is more entertaining listening to the Arsenull fans screaming shit at the Arsenal players when they make a shupid play on the field!  :devil:Pure kicks! Oh yeah Arsenull draw-two dives = two penalties!  :devil:
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« Reply #3432 on: April 17, 2011, 11:09:43 AM »
hard luck arsenal...great entertainment for the neutral (well, the last 10 minutes anyway, before that I was watching stoke-bolton).

On a serious note though...that is not what champions are made of  :thumbsdown:

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« Reply #3433 on: April 17, 2011, 11:09:58 AM »

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« Reply #3434 on: April 17, 2011, 11:10:34 AM »
Somebody needs to tell Arsene9 that he is wearing a nice suit and he would not want Daglish to sully it!

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« Reply #3435 on: April 17, 2011, 11:12:00 AM »
Listen, it is more entertaining listening to the Arsenull fans screaming shit at the Arsenal players when they f*ck on the field!  :devil:Pure entertainment! Oh yeah Arsenull draw-two dives = two penalties!  :devil:

Nah, yuh being a little harsh and unfair.  The Arsenal penalty was legit: he kick de man.  liverpool own, on the other hand......it kinda 50-50....it look like eboue shove de man....but yuh could see lucas was lookin' to embrace de ground, too. Oh well.....this game was really like watchin' paint dry on a wall.  It hard to tell which team was de paint and which one was de wall.


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« Reply #3436 on: April 17, 2011, 11:20:14 AM »
hard luck arsenal...great entertainment for the neutral (well, the last 10 minutes anyway, before that I was watching stoke-bolton).

On a serious note though...that is not what champions are made of  :thumbsdown:


Mentally weak team!

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« Reply #3437 on: April 17, 2011, 11:28:44 AM »
Listen, it is more entertaining listening to the Arsenull fans screaming shit at the Arsenal players when they f*ck on the field!  :devil:Pure entertainment! Oh yeah Arsenull draw-two dives = two penalties!  :devil:

Nah, yuh being a little harsh and unfair.  The Arsenal penalty was legit: he kick de man.  liverpool own, on the other hand......it kinda 50-50....it look like eboue shove de man....but yuh could see lucas was lookin' to embrace de ground, too. Oh well.....this game was really like watchin' paint dry on a wall.  It hard to tell which team was de paint and which one was de wall.

Anything involving Fiberglas will not get the benefit of the doubt from me. Great player but exhibits poor sportmanship and he is a cheater!

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« Reply #3438 on: April 17, 2011, 11:31:54 AM »
Listen, it is more entertaining listening to the Arsenull fans screaming shit at the Arsenal players when they f*ck on the field!  :devil:Pure entertainment! Oh yeah Arsenull draw-two dives = two penalties!  :devil:

Nah, yuh being a little harsh and unfair.  The Arsenal penalty was legit: he kick de man.  liverpool own, on the other hand......it kinda 50-50....it look like eboue shove de man....but yuh could see lucas was lookin' to embrace de ground, too. Oh well.....this game was really like watchin' paint dry on a wall.  It hard to tell which team was de paint and which one was de wall.

Anything involving Fiberglas will not get the benefit of the doubt from me. Great player but exhibits poor sportmanship and he is a cheater!

  I agree wit yuh dat he have a rel a-hole personna in the game, but dat shouldn't change the legitimacy of an obvious call., ent?


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« Reply #3439 on: April 17, 2011, 11:36:32 AM »
Listen, it is more entertaining listening to the Arsenull fans screaming shit at the Arsenal players when they f*ck on the field!  :devil:Pure entertainment! Oh yeah Arsenull draw-two dives = two penalties!  :devil:

Nah, yuh being a little harsh and unfair.  The Arsenal penalty was legit: he kick de man.  liverpool own, on the other hand......it kinda 50-50....it look like eboue shove de man....but yuh could see lucas was lookin' to embrace de ground, too. Oh well.....this game was really like watchin' paint dry on a wall.  It hard to tell which team was de paint and which one was de wall.
He is a cheater because the man take him down?
What dickism you talking bout? Fibreglass or not it is a legit penalty .... the only person deserving criticism has to be Ebouie ... having played a great game  he runs into the guy when all he had to do was usher the guy out seconds seconds ..... the referee called a fair game.

Anything involving Fiberglas will not get the benefit of the doubt from me. Great player but exhibits poor sportmanship and he is a cheater!

He is a cheater because the man take him down?
What dickism you talking bout? Fibreglass or not it is a legit penalty .... the only person deserving criticism has to be Ebouie ... having played a great game  he runs into the guy when all he had to do was usher the guy out seconds seconds ..... the referee called a fair game.
Poor sportsmanship my ass!

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« Reply #3440 on: April 17, 2011, 11:38:50 AM »
Listen, it is more entertaining listening to the Arsenull fans screaming shit at the Arsenal players when they f*ck on the field!  :devil:Pure entertainment! Oh yeah Arsenull draw-two dives = two penalties!  :devil:

Nah, yuh being a little harsh and unfair.  The Arsenal penalty was legit: he kick de man.  liverpool own, on the other hand......it kinda 50-50....it look like eboue shove de man....but yuh could see lucas was lookin' to embrace de ground, too. Oh well.....this game was really like watchin' paint dry on a wall.  It hard to tell which team was de paint and which one was de wall.

Anything involving Fiberglas will not get the benefit of the doubt from me. Great player but exhibits poor sportmanship and he is a cheater!

  I agree wit yuh dat he have a rel a-hole personna in the game, but dat shouldn't change the legitimacy of an obvious call., ent?

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« Reply #3441 on: April 17, 2011, 11:45:22 AM »
Listen, it is more entertaining listening to the Arsenull fans screaming shit at the Arsenal players when they f*ck on the field!  :devil:Pure entertainment! Oh yeah Arsenull draw-two dives = two penalties!  :devil:

Nah, yuh being a little harsh and unfair.  The Arsenal penalty was legit: he kick de man.  liverpool own, on the other hand......it kinda 50-50....it look like eboue shove de man....but yuh could see lucas was lookin' to embrace de ground, too. Oh well.....this game was really like watchin' paint dry on a wall.  It hard to tell which team was de paint and which one was de wall.
He is a cheater because the man take him down?
What dickism you talking bout? Fibreglass or not it is a legit penalty .... the only person deserving criticism has to be Ebouie ... having played a great game  he runs into the guy when all he had to do was usher the guy out seconds seconds ..... the referee called a fair game.

Anything involving Fiberglas will not get the benefit of the doubt from me. Great player but exhibits poor sportmanship and he is a cheater!

He is a cheater because the man take him down?
What dickism you talking bout? Fibreglass or not it is a legit penalty .... the only person deserving criticism has to be Ebouie ... having played a great game  he runs into the guy when all he had to do was usher the guy out seconds seconds ..... the referee called a fair game.
Poor sportsmanship my ass!


As much as ah cyah stand eboue sometimes, yuh kinda hadda feel sorry fuh him too..I mean, his instinct would have hime following the diriction of that play to go for the ball and do just what you suggested, to ussher the man and box him in a corner....I just think that lucas done know and read dah play and was going down at the slightest bit of contact (or even none at all), but eboue really didn't help his own cause when he seemed to have shoved the man. Hard luck, arsenal. Ah done tell allyuh to invest in a cocoyea broom and a glass ah water fuh allyuh trophy room...allyuh eh want to listen!


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« Reply #3442 on: April 17, 2011, 11:53:38 AM »
Listen, it is more entertaining listening to the Arsenull fans screaming shit at the Arsenal players when they f*ck on the field!  :devil:Pure entertainment! Oh yeah Arsenull draw-two dives = two penalties!  :devil:

Nah, yuh being a little harsh and unfair.  The Arsenal penalty was legit: he kick de man.  liverpool own, on the other hand......it kinda 50-50....it look like eboue shove de man....but yuh could see lucas was lookin' to embrace de ground, too. Oh well.....this game was really like watchin' paint dry on a wall.  It hard to tell which team was de paint and which one was de wall.
He is a cheater because the man take him down?
What dickism you talking bout? Fibreglass or not it is a legit penalty .... the only person deserving criticism has to be Ebouie ... having played a great game  he runs into the guy when all he had to do was usher the guy out seconds seconds ..... the referee called a fair game.

Anything involving Fiberglas will not get the benefit of the doubt from me. Great player but exhibits poor sportmanship and he is a cheater!

He is a cheater because the man take him down?
What dickism you talking bout? Fibreglass or not it is a legit penalty .... the only person deserving criticism has to be Ebouie ... having played a great game  he runs into the guy when all he had to do was usher the guy out seconds seconds ..... the referee called a fair game.
Poor sportsmanship my ass!


No sweetie that is not why he is a cheater-but he has a history of embellishing the slightest of contact in an effort to win calls. Which is why I said I have no problem not giving him the benefit of the doubt when it comes to him getting a call..
And yes United have players who have done the same and they don't get calls as a result.

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« Reply #3443 on: April 17, 2011, 11:54:19 AM »
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lol

certain men missing yes......they probably gone to an AA meeting.....Arsenal anonymous....  :rotfl: :rotfl:

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« Reply #3444 on: April 17, 2011, 11:58:57 AM »
:whistling: :whistling: :whistling: :whistling: :whistling:

lol

certain men missing yes......they probably gone to an AA meeting.....Arsenal anonymous....  :rotfl: :rotfl:



 :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl Let the people mourn in peace nah!
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« Reply #3445 on: April 17, 2011, 01:24:36 PM »
Listen, it is more entertaining listening to the Arsenull fans screaming shit at the Arsenal players when they f*ck on the field!  :devil:Pure entertainment! Oh yeah Arsenull draw-two dives = two penalties!  :devil:

Nah, yuh being a little harsh and unfair.  The Arsenal penalty was legit: he kick de man.  liverpool own, on the other hand......it kinda 50-50....it look like eboue shove de man....but yuh could see lucas was lookin' to embrace de ground, too. Oh well.....this game was really like watchin' paint dry on a wall.  It hard to tell which team was de paint and which one was de wall.
He is a cheater because the man take him down?
What dickism you talking bout? Fibreglass or not it is a legit penalty .... the only person deserving criticism has to be Ebouie ... having played a great game  he runs into the guy when all he had to do was usher the guy out seconds seconds ..... the referee called a fair game.

Anything involving Fiberglas will not get the benefit of the doubt from me. Great player but exhibits poor sportmanship and he is a cheater!

He is a cheater because the man take him down?
What dickism you talking bout? Fibreglass or not it is a legit penalty .... the only person deserving criticism has to be Ebouie ... having played a great game  he runs into the guy when all he had to do was usher the guy out seconds seconds ..... the referee called a fair game.
Poor sportsmanship my ass!


No sweetie that is not why he is a cheater-but he has a history of embellishing the slightest of contact in an effort to win calls. Which is why I said I have no problem not giving him the benefit of the doubt when it comes to him getting a call..
And yes United have players who have done the same and they don't get calls as a result.

Chunkalunks .. I wasn't even going to call United players name in that to be honest.. this aint tit for tat .... because realistically I can't name one player who doesn't embellish except when I really think about it ... I never really see Messi dive.
I hate players like that .... Robinho at the top of the list but Fibreglass doesn't do it anymore than any other player ... jes say yuh doh like him and call it george!

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« Reply #3446 on: April 17, 2011, 01:36:10 PM »
Listen, it is more entertaining listening to the Arsenull fans screaming shit at the Arsenal players when they f*ck on the field!  :devil:Pure entertainment! Oh yeah Arsenull draw-two dives = two penalties!  :devil:

Nah, yuh being a little harsh and unfair.  The Arsenal penalty was legit: he kick de man.  liverpool own, on the other hand......it kinda 50-50....it look like eboue shove de man....but yuh could see lucas was lookin' to embrace de ground, too. Oh well.....this game was really like watchin' paint dry on a wall.  It hard to tell which team was de paint and which one was de wall.
He is a cheater because the man take him down?
What dickism you talking bout? Fibreglass or not it is a legit penalty .... the only person deserving criticism has to be Ebouie ... having played a great game  he runs into the guy when all he had to do was usher the guy out seconds seconds ..... the referee called a fair game.

Anything involving Fiberglas will not get the benefit of the doubt from me. Great player but exhibits poor sportmanship and he is a cheater!

He is a cheater because the man take him down?
What dickism you talking bout? Fibreglass or not it is a legit penalty .... the only person deserving criticism has to be Ebouie ... having played a great game  he runs into the guy when all he had to do was usher the guy out seconds seconds ..... the referee called a fair game.
Poor sportsmanship my ass!


No sweetie that is not why he is a cheater-but he has a history of embellishing the slightest of contact in an effort to win calls. Which is why I said I have no problem not giving him the benefit of the doubt when it comes to him getting a call..
And yes United have players who have done the same and they don't get calls as a result.

Chunkalunks .. I wasn't even going to call United players name in that to be honest.. this aint tit for tat .... because realistically I can't name one player who doesn't embellish except when I really think about it ... I never really see Messi dive.
I hate players like that .... Robinho at the top of the list but Fibreglass doesn't do it anymore than any other player ... jes say yuh doh like him and call it george!

 ;D  I don't like Cesc but that is no secret, I do however respect and like his abilities as a footballer.

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« Reply #3447 on: April 17, 2011, 01:48:31 PM »
He is a cheater because the man take him down?
What dickism you talking bout? Fibreglass or not it is a legit penalty .... the only person deserving criticism has to be Ebouie ... having played a great game  he runs into the guy when all he had to do was usher the guy out seconds seconds ..... the referee called a fair game.
Poor sportsmanship my ass!


I was upset when I see the ref point to the spot because Fabregas was clearly playing for the penalty... he shielded the ball enough inviting contact and Spearing in a moment of madness, obliged him.  It marred what was otherwise a brilliant game in defensive mid for him.  The penalty was soft, but by rule it was the right call... Spearing eh argue and I couldn't argue.  I was more upset that all the defensive work we put in seemed to be for nought.

Arsenal got lucky on the free kick because Lucas had his left foot on the line marking the 6-yard box when Song bowled him over.  It would have been harsh, but the right call had the ref pointed to the spot.  From his perspective he didn't think Lucas was in the box.  Same way Liverpool get lucking on the very first corner Arsenal take when Skrtel had a handful of Koszielny shirt from kick to whistle and clearly impeded him from going up for the cross.  I woulda been mad but not at the ref had a penalty been given.  Speaking objectively I wish they'd give a penalty on all that holding and jostling every time.

On the Liverpool penalty, everything that was said about the Fabregas penalty above applies... Lucas was hopeful for a call and Eboue in a moment of madness obliged him.  Anybody complaining about that call can't be serious.  It was soft but legitimate... Eboue end up falling over onto Lucas... and Lucas ent pull him down.  Not only was there a shove in the back (same call the linesman gave against Carroll on Koszielny early in the game), but his momentum took him over and onto Lucas.  The ref was wrong to give Skrtel a yellow for the challenge on Eboue in the first half, that one he just got wrong, with help from the linesman.  Aside from that, as you said, he called a fair game.

Chunkalunks .. I wasn't even going to call United players name in that to be honest.. this aint tit for tat .... because realistically I can't name one player who doesn't embellish except when I really think about it ... I never really see Messi dive.
I hate players like that .... Robinho at the top of the list but Fibreglass doesn't do it anymore than any other player ... jes say yuh doh like him and call it george!

This I also have to agree with you on... I doh like Messi, just not a fan.  I've seen him embellish (like yesterday he stumble into Xabi backside and fall down holding he head like is ah elbow he ketch), but that said, he's the one man who constantly makes an effort to stay on his feet when he has every reasong to go to ground.  That I will give him his props for.
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« Reply #3448 on: April 17, 2011, 02:57:10 PM »
Tough draw. 2 soft but legit penalties. Cable cut out just before the Pool free kick but now see the replay. Eboue need a hard slap. I hope van Persie blow him out like he did Diaby last week. Why Wenger insist on playing Bendtner on the wing I doh know. And where is the forward running from midfield? Now have to hear more illiterate bullsh*t about "mental strength" from the Arsenal haters and so called football experts.

Pisses me off to see Gooners in the stands booing at the end of a disappointing game. We don't need those kind of fans. Arsenal supporters are  supposed to have class. Go and support United or Barca with all the other bandwagonists.

You up against it now Arsenal. Hope for some luck and stop playing the fool.
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« Reply #3449 on: April 17, 2011, 02:59:40 PM »
Today Arsenal were very guilty of trying to walk it into the goal.
That was frustrating to watch.  Shoot de damn ball!

 

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