ARSENAL FORWARD

[MarylandTrini]

Yet Wenger is about pursuing his model of youth movement.  The team needs some balance.  

They need some motivation first

[MarylandTrini]

which owner does not invest their own money in their business to see it succeed?
Abramovich has done that plain and simple.

Actually, owners invest in their business to make a profit.
Anything else is a sugar daddy, plain and simple.

you make a profit over time.
There's an initial period called the payback period, during which time the capital layout is recouped.
Given that Abramovich only purchase Chelsea 5 years ago, the club is well on course to be financially sound.

Before you start the "payback period" you need to make a net profit for that year (income - expenses) ... otherwise you operate at a loss, and keep increasing the money owed.

[sammy]

tsk tsk tsk......
 
i feeling sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo soorry

















for Young cause he eh score he penalty  

[sammy]

which owner does not invest their own money in their business to see it succeed?
Abramovich has done that plain and simple.

Actually, owners invest in their business to make a profit.
Anything else is a sugar daddy, plain and simple.

you make a profit over time.
There's an initial period called the payback period, during which time the capital layout is recouped.
Given that Abramovich only purchase Chelsea 5 years ago, the club is well on course to be financially sound.

Before you start the "payback period" you need to make a net profit for that year (income - expenses) ... otherwise you operate at a loss, and keep increasing the money owed.

arsenal should give up football and open an accounting firm.

[acb]

United have very little in common with Newcastle and even less Chelsea. United's debt is because the owners leveraged their investment when they bought it. They have not operated at a loss for a decade plus as Chelsea has. Remember that when Abramovich bought the club they had 80M debt already.

Also United has shown by their turnover and annual profit that they have the ability to service their debt. Chelsea do not and as a result their debt grows annually.

debt is debt, ie, they still have large outstanding sums of money owed to debtors/ investors.
How they incurred it, like how every firm does, is always going to be a unique case.
In Chelsea's case, added debt has led to immediate success for the club, which translates into bigger audiences, corporate sponsors, merchandise revenue, overseas tours, etc - all methods to increase the revenue stream to the club.

Chelsea enjoys a luxury many other teams do not, which allows it to benefit from it's unique position. Chelsea guarantor's wealth vastly surpasses those of the other owners in the EPL, bar Man C - it allows him the luxury of carrying that debt until Chelsea FC PLC is able to raise & maintain their revenue streams so as to turn over a profit on a regular basis.

[Small Magician aka Wazza]

Now i real upset this shitside beat us...  inconsistent f**ks

[SOBRIQUET]

which owner does not invest their own money in their business to see it succeed?
Abramovich has done that plain and simple.

Actually, owners invest in their business to make a profit.
Anything else is a sugar daddy, plain and simple.

you make a profit over time.
There's an initial period called the payback period, during which time the capital layout is recouped.
Given that Abramovich only purchase Chelsea 5 years ago, the club is well on course to be financially sound.

Before you start the "payback period" you need to make a net profit for that year (income - expenses) ... otherwise you operate at a loss, and keep increasing the money owed.

arsenal should give up football and open an accounting firm.

 

[dumpalewie]

which owner does not invest their own money in their business to see it succeed?
Abramovich has done that plain and simple.

Actually, owners invest in their business to make a profit.
Anything else is a sugar daddy, plain and simple.

you make a profit over time.
There's an initial period called the payback period, during which time the capital layout is recouped.
Given that Abramovich only purchase Chelsea 5 years ago, the club is well on course to be financially sound.

Breds give it up with this nonsense you talking nah.

Everybody, including Chelsea fans of average intellect knows that they are a Sugar Daddy team. All this highbrow financial nonsense doesn't change that.

Use your commonsense bro!

[kicker]

I think Aston Villa is the one of (if not the) best coached team in the EPL- The times that I've been able to watch their games, they're always disciplined, and put up a solid, smart team performance- Arsene Wenger was out coached today.  He had no answer for how Martin O'Neil put the clamps down on his midfield...and he had no tactical means of neutralizing Villa's biggest attacking weapons (Gaby Ab. & Ashley Young)...they ran Arsenal's back line rugged all day.  Sidwell & G.Barry were almost flawless in midfield, and Larsson & Davies (the red man with the buss head) were a wall at the back- Arsenal for all the talk of their inventive football were far from inventive today...and I've been saying for years William Gallas is sooooooo overrated.  He's such an ordinary player it's not even funny...

[Tenorsaw]

United have very little in common with Newcastle and even less Chelsea. United's debt is because the owners leveraged their investment when they bought it. They have not operated at a loss for a decade plus as Chelsea has. Remember that when Abramovich bought the club they had 80M debt already.

Also United has shown by their turnover and annual profit that they have the ability to service their debt. Chelsea do not and as a result their debt grows annually.

debt is debt, ie, they still have large outstanding sums of money owed to debtors/ investors.
How they incurred it, like how every firm does, is always going to be a unique case.
In Chelsea's case, added debt has led to immediate success for the club, which translates into bigger audiences, corporate sponsors, merchandise revenue, overseas tours, etc - all methods to increase the revenue stream to the club.

Chelsea enjoys a luxury many other teams do not, which allows it to benefit from it's unique position. Chelsea guarantor's wealth vastly surpasses those of the other owners in the EPL, bar Man C - it allows him the luxury of carrying that debt until Chelsea FC PLC is able to raise & maintain their revenue streams so as to turn over a profit on a regular basis.

Just remember that Abramovich has taken a big hit with this global credit crunch, hence his tight wad policy recently.  Also, how loong is he going to support Chelsea out of his own pocket.  Eventually, the club is going to have to demonstrate that it can generate positive cash flows from its operations.  To do that, Chelsea will need to market its brand globally in an more aggressive fashion, invest more in its youth academy, and make a concerted effort to bring players through its ranks (when last has Chelsea unleashed an academy prospect?). 

[acb]

which owner does not invest their own money in their business to see it succeed?
Abramovich has done that plain and simple.

Actually, owners invest in their business to make a profit.
Anything else is a sugar daddy, plain and simple.

you make a profit over time.
There's an initial period called the payback period, during which time the capital layout is recouped.
Given that Abramovich only purchase Chelsea 5 years ago, the club is well on course to be financially sound.

Breds give it up with this nonsense you talking nah.

Everybody, including Chelsea fans of average intellect knows that they are a Sugar Daddy team. All this highbrow financial nonsense doesn't change that.

Use your commonsense bro!

Bottom line is that football is run as a business. If Football was not a business, there would be no need for FIFA, UEFA, CONCACAF, etc.
If Football was not a business, all these threads mentioning JW would be irrelevant.
Furthermore, SW.net might not even be an entity if Football wasn't a business.
-- Well I don't know who "owns" SW.net and what the revenue/ advertising stream is for the website - but why not call SW.net a sugardaddy website too?

Based on the arguement made in another highly involved thread, there is some distinction between average and less that average Trinis/ Guyanese/ Guyadadian etc.

Sugardaddy Team is an allegation of the common outsiders pulling for another team, who's resources stand way below those of their competitors, viz. Chelsea, Man U, Real Madrid, etc.

How you choose to conduct your own business will ultimatley have a final bearing on your business' success.
Chelsea has been doing a more than remarkable job running their business the way the see fit, and the results speak for themselves.

[GunnerStunner]

puke we deserved to get booed off the park today

[GunnerStunner]

I think Aston Villa is the one of (if not the) best coached team in the EPL- The times that I've been able to watch their games, they're always disciplined, and put up a solid, smart team performance- Arsene Wenger was out coached today.  He had no answer for how Martin O'Neil put the clamps down on his midfield...and he had no tactical means of neutralizing Villa's biggest attacking weapons (Gaby Ab. & Ashley Young)...they ran Arsenal's back line rugged all day.  Sidwell & G.Barry were almost flawless in midfield, and Larsson & Davies (the red man with the buss head) were a wall at the back- Arsenal for all the talk of their inventive football were far from inventive today...and I've been saying for years William Gallas is sooooooo overrated.  He's such an ordinary player it's not even funny...

martin is one of the underrated managers out there

[GunnerStunner]

Now i real upset this shitside beat us...  inconsistent f**ks

stop talkin shite

your loss means your inconsistent as well, villa was on the back of two shit games and played nothing like what they showed yesterday

[dumpalewie]

which owner does not invest their own money in their business to see it succeed?
Abramovich has done that plain and simple.

Actually, owners invest in their business to make a profit.
Anything else is a sugar daddy, plain and simple.

you make a profit over time.
There's an initial period called the payback period, during which time the capital layout is recouped.
Given that Abramovich only purchase Chelsea 5 years ago, the club is well on course to be financially sound.

Breds give it up with this nonsense you talking nah.

Everybody, including Chelsea fans of average intellect knows that they are a Sugar Daddy team. All this highbrow financial nonsense doesn't change that.

Use your commonsense bro!

Bottom line is that football is run as a business. If Football was not a business, there would be no need for FIFA, UEFA, CONCACAF, etc.
If Football was not a business, all these threads mentioning JW would be irrelevant.
Furthermore, SW.net might not even be an entity if Football wasn't a business.
-- Well I don't know who "owns" SW.net and what the revenue/ advertising stream is for the website - but why not call SW.net a sugardaddy website too?

Based on the arguement made in another highly involved thread, there is some distinction between average and less that average Trinis/ Guyanese/ Guyadadian etc.

Sugardaddy Team is an allegation of the common outsiders pulling for another team, who's resources stand way below those of their competitors, viz. Chelsea, Man U, Real Madrid, etc.

How you choose to conduct your own business will ultimatley have a final bearing on your business' success.
Chelsea has been doing a more than remarkable job running their business the way the see fit, and the results speak for themselves.

Again bro this is just garbage an you are grasping at straws.

Nobody refers to Man U or Liverpool in the same way. Those teams have to stay within budget when they buy. That budget is determined by revenue. Chelsea and now Man City have owners that are willing to spend anything to get players. That is, their expenditure on players is not governed by their revenue. Hence, Sugar Daddy Teams!!!

[MarylandTrini]

which owner does not invest their own money in their business to see it succeed?
Abramovich has done that plain and simple.

Actually, owners invest in their business to make a profit.
Anything else is a sugar daddy, plain and simple.

you make a profit over time.
There's an initial period called the payback period, during which time the capital layout is recouped.
Given that Abramovich only purchase Chelsea 5 years ago, the club is well on course to be financially sound.

Breds give it up with this nonsense you talking nah.

Everybody, including Chelsea fans of average intellect knows that they are a Sugar Daddy team. All this highbrow financial nonsense doesn't change that.

Use your commonsense bro!

Bottom line is that football is run as a business. If Football was not a business, there would be no need for FIFA, UEFA, CONCACAF, etc.
If Football was not a business, all these threads mentioning JW would be irrelevant.
Furthermore, SW.net might not even be an entity if Football wasn't a business.
-- Well I don't know who "owns" SW.net and what the revenue/ advertising stream is for the website - but why not call SW.net a sugardaddy website too?

Based on the arguement made in another highly involved thread, there is some distinction between average and less that average Trinis/ Guyanese/ Guyadadian etc.

Sugardaddy Team is an allegation of the common outsiders pulling for another team, who's resources stand way below those of their competitors, viz. Chelsea, Man U, Real Madrid, etc.

How you choose to conduct your own business will ultimatley have a final bearing on your business' success.
Chelsea has been doing a more than remarkable job running their business the way the see fit, and the results speak for themselves.

Again bro this is just garbage an you are grasping at straws.

Nobody refers to Man U or Liverpool in the same way. Those teams have to stay within budget when they buy. That budget is determined by revenue. Chelsea and now Man City have owners that are willing to spend anything to get players. That is, their expenditure on players is not governed by their revenue. Hence, Sugar Daddy Teams!!!

Just because we have:
FIFA
UEFA
CONCACAF
Jack Warner
Socawarriors.net

That means every football club in the world is run as a money-making business?
 

[GunnerStunner]

man city next

i feel ah robhino hatrick

[dinho]

a lil something to lift de spirits around here....



Smith brace eases Arsenal to win
By Tony Leighton

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/women/7732436.stm


Kelly Smith
Smith took her season's goal tally to 20 with a double against Forest

Arsenal bounced back from their midweek Uefa Cup exit with a comfortable 5-0 win at home to Nottingham Forest.

England striker Kelly Smith scored twice as the Gunners maintained their 100% start to the season, while Forest remain in the relegation zone.

In the weekend's only other top flight game, Bristol Academy twice came from behind to force a 3-3 draw at Watford.

Lisa Burrows had scored to put the Hornets 3-1 up, but she netted a late own goal equaliser for the visitors.

Arsenal 5-0 Nottingham Forest

An eighth-minute goal by England left winger Rachel Yankey put Arsenal on the road to their 11th successive League and Cup victory in domestic competition.

Forest fought back well but the Gunners, stung by their midweek 6-0 Uefa Cup thrashing at the hands of Swedish side Umea, were in determined mood.

And they had victory wrapped up by half-time after Smith struck in the 33rd and 41st minutes to take her season's goal tally to 20.

England midfielder Katie Chapman bagged the fourth goal 12 minutes after the interval and Scotland captain Julie Fleeting completed the scoring three minutes from time.

[acb]

Again bro this is just garbage an you are grasping at straws.

Nobody refers to Man U or Liverpool in the same way. Those teams have to stay within budget when they buy. That budget is determined by revenue. Chelsea and now Man City have owners that are willing to spend anything to get players. That is, their expenditure on players is not governed by their revenue. Hence, Sugar Daddy Teams!!!

Sure, is garbage. Sugardaddy too.

Wouldn't dare mention the untouchables either. Will just clarify that Liverpool isn't mentioned in the same way because their owners over leveraged themselves, cannot afford a new stadium, and have to renege on promises made to their supporters - while their owners are too busy tripping over their egos. But you will never walk alone.  

Man U not mentioned in the same way either because they only recently restructured their debt to match spending that exceeded the ability to effectively service their debt from cashflow derived from their revenue streams.

Not everyone envisions the way success is attained in the same manner. Chelsea have gone about it in a way that they forecast as being self-sustainable by 2011, and so far have been very successful at it - both on the field and in the back offices.  

[acb]

a lil something to lift de spirits around here....



Smith brace eases Arsenal to win
By Tony Leighton

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/women/7732436.stm


Kelly Smith
Smith took her season's goal tally to 20 with a double against Forest

Arsenal bounced back from their midweek Uefa Cup exit with a comfortable 5-0 win at home to Nottingham Forest.

England striker Kelly Smith scored twice as the Gunners maintained their 100% start to the season, while Forest remain in the relegation zone.

In the weekend's only other top flight game, Bristol Academy twice came from behind to force a 3-3 draw at Watford.

Lisa Burrows had scored to put the Hornets 3-1 up, but she netted a late own goal equaliser for the visitors.

Arsenal 5-0 Nottingham Forest

An eighth-minute goal by England left winger Rachel Yankey put Arsenal on the road to their 11th successive League and Cup victory in domestic competition.

Forest fought back well but the Gunners, stung by their midweek 6-0 Uefa Cup thrashing at the hands of Swedish side Umea, were in determined mood.

And they had victory wrapped up by half-time after Smith struck in the 33rd and 41st minutes to take her season's goal tally to 20.

England midfielder Katie Chapman bagged the fourth goal 12 minutes after the interval and Scotland captain Julie Fleeting completed the scoring three minutes from time.

Wonder if she'll be playing in WUSA take II.

[dumpalewie]

Again bro this is just garbage an you are grasping at straws.

Nobody refers to Man U or Liverpool in the same way. Those teams have to stay within budget when they buy. That budget is determined by revenue. Chelsea and now Man City have owners that are willing to spend anything to get players. That is, their expenditure on players is not governed by their revenue. Hence, Sugar Daddy Teams!!!

Sure, is garbage. Sugardaddy too.

Wouldn't dare mention the untouchables either. Will just clarify that Liverpool isn't mentioned in the same way because their owners over leveraged themselves, cannot afford a new stadium, and have to renege on promises made to their supporters - while their owners are too busy tripping over their egos. But you will never walk alone.  

Man U not mentioned in the same way either because they only recently restructured their debt to match spending that exceeded the ability to effectively service their debt from cashflow derived from their revenue streams.

Not everyone envisions the way success is attained in the same manner. Chelsea have gone about it in a way that they forecast as being self-sustainable by 2011, and so far have been very successful at it - both on the field and in the back offices.  

Think with your head and not your heart bro! You sound like a young fan.

Simply put. If Roman left now, where would they be. He paid 30m for Sheva because he is a fan. That was not based on business.

Chelsea does not have a business model bro, they have a Sugar Daddy!

[sammy]

Again bro this is just garbage an you are grasping at straws.

Nobody refers to Man U or Liverpool in the same way. Those teams have to stay within budget when they buy. That budget is determined by revenue. Chelsea and now Man City have owners that are willing to spend anything to get players. That is, their expenditure on players is not governed by their revenue. Hence, Sugar Daddy Teams!!!

Sure, is garbage. Sugardaddy too.

Wouldn't dare mention the untouchables either. Will just clarify that Liverpool isn't mentioned in the same way because their owners over leveraged themselves, cannot afford a new stadium, and have to renege on promises made to their supporters - while their owners are too busy tripping over their egos. But you will never walk alone.  

Man U not mentioned in the same way either because they only recently restructured their debt to match spending that exceeded the ability to effectively service their debt from cashflow derived from their revenue streams.

Not everyone envisions the way success is attained in the same manner. Chelsea have gone about it in a way that they forecast as being self-sustainable by 2011, and so far have been very successful at it - both on the field and in the back offices.  

Think with your head and not your heart bro! You sound like a young fan.

Simply put. If Roman left now, where would they be. He paid 30m for Sheva because he is a fan. That was not based on business.

Chelsea does not have a business model bro, they have a Sugar Daddy!

u trying to talk cents with a man who does back chelsea? 

[JDB]

United have very little in common with Newcastle and even less Chelsea. United's debt is because the owners leveraged their investment when they bought it. They have not operated at a loss for a decade plus as Chelsea has. Remember that when Abramovich bought the club they had 80M debt already.

Also United has shown by their turnover and annual profit that they have the ability to service their debt. Chelsea do not and as a result their debt grows annually.

debt is debt, ie, they still have large outstanding sums of money owed to debtors/ investors.
How they incurred it, like how every firm does, is always going to be a unique case.
In Chelsea's case, added debt has led to immediate success for the club, which translates into bigger audiences, corporate sponsors, merchandise revenue, overseas tours, etc - all methods to increase the revenue stream to the club.

Chelsea enjoys a luxury many other teams do not, which allows it to benefit from it's unique position. Chelsea guarantor's wealth vastly surpasses those of the other owners in the EPL, bar Man C - it allows him the luxury of carrying that debt until Chelsea FC PLC is able to raise & maintain their revenue streams so as to turn over a profit on a regular basis.

um No debt is not debt.

United is leveraged againstits actual value. banks know that the club valuable and it is a sound investment. If the club is sold its debts are easily paid off.

The same cannot be said for Chelsea. No bank would bankroll them and they were desperately seeking financing before Abramovich. Siince then they have become even more in debt. Also all your talk about Chelsea making money at some indeterminate point in the future is still a pipedream for a club that will need a stadium (i.e. an additional hundreds of millions of investment) to have any ope of saving money. Also their business plan is heavily dependent on developing markets in the US and Asia that may never happen.

Nothing is wrong with reveling in Chelsea's good fortune that they don't have to worry about debt, and Chelsea could have a year in the black at some time in the future, but don't BS people with the belief that Chelsea will be returning Abramovoich's expenditure.

[GunnerStunner]

a lil something to lift de spirits around here....



Smith brace eases Arsenal to win
By Tony Leighton

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/women/7732436.stm


Kelly Smith
Smith took her season's goal tally to 20 with a double against Forest

Arsenal bounced back from their midweek Uefa Cup exit with a comfortable 5-0 win at home to Nottingham Forest.

England striker Kelly Smith scored twice as the Gunners maintained their 100% start to the season, while Forest remain in the relegation zone.

In the weekend's only other top flight game, Bristol Academy twice came from behind to force a 3-3 draw at Watford.

Lisa Burrows had scored to put the Hornets 3-1 up, but she netted a late own goal equaliser for the visitors.

Arsenal 5-0 Nottingham Forest

An eighth-minute goal by England left winger Rachel Yankey put Arsenal on the road to their 11th successive League and Cup victory in domestic competition.

Forest fought back well but the Gunners, stung by their midweek 6-0 Uefa Cup thrashing at the hands of Swedish side Umea, were in determined mood.

And they had victory wrapped up by half-time after Smith struck in the 33rd and 41st minutes to take her season's goal tally to 20.

England midfielder Katie Chapman bagged the fourth goal 12 minutes after the interval and Scotland captain Julie Fleeting completed the scoring three minutes from time.

fact when we gunner girls doing great de men doing toots

[GunnerStunner]

http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/highbury-square-latest?image=3

this should show the investment arsenal has done to ensure the clubs strong financial future

separate from the clubs finances but revenue earned from it will go to the club.

smart shrewed sound business, now to transfer that to the pitch!

[dinho]

wtf??


Arsenal not brave enough - Gallas

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/a/arsenal/7739830.stm

William Gallas
Gallas says Arsenal's dressing room is becoming increasingly fractious

Arsenal captain William Gallas has warned the Gunners' young stars that they are "not brave enough" to challenge for the Premier League title.

Saturday's 2-0 defeat by Aston Villa made it four losses in total this term for Arsenal, leaving them nine points adrift of Chelsea and Liverpool.

And 31-year-old Gallas said: "We are not brave enough in battle.

"I think we need to be soldiers. To be champions, you have to play big matches every weekend and fight."

Speaking to the Associated Press, he added: "We are coming up against teams who are not scared to play football against us, who are not scared to take us on at our place, and this is becoming dangerous for Arsenal.

"We have to be warriors. That is how the team will forge their character and experience."

Frenchman Gallas has come under severe personal scrutiny as Arsenal skipper, most recently receiving criticism after being photographed leaving a nightclub with a cigarette in his mouth.

And he was also barracked following a show of petulance at the end of his side's 2-2 draw with Birmingham City last season - and he has admitted friction is creeping into the Arsenal camp.

   
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Is this a wind-up or not? Can't believe he'd discuss such things in public...

GalacticGarfield

"There was a problem at half-time of the 4-4 draw with Tottenham," he said. "The only thing that I could say at half-time was 'guys, we resolve these problems after the match, not at halftime'."

Gallas revealed that on another occasion some Arsenal players had been insulted by their own team-mate.

"When as captain some players come up to you and talk to you about a player... complaining about him... and then during the match you speak to this player and the player in question insults us, there comes a time where we can no longer comprehend how this can happen," he said.

Gallas would not reveal the player's name, although he said the incident occurred during an attacking phase of play, saying: "I am trying to defend myself a bit without giving names. Otherwise I'm taking it all (the blame). I'm 31, the player is six years younger than me."

Still, the centre-half believes his side can still challenge for honours this season, though he added another season without silverware "would be a kind of failure".

"I have to win something this year. I have to win something, Arsenal has to win something. It's four or five years since Arsenal won anything - 2004 (the league title). That's nearly five years, and that's not good.

"(Big contracts) make the difference, perhaps. You can rest on your laurels, that's for sure."

Arsenal travel to Manchester City in the league on Saturday hoping to avoid their first back-to-back defeats in 58 Premier League encounters.

[GunnerStunner]

wtf??


Arsenal not brave enough - Gallas

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/a/arsenal/7739830.stm

William Gallas
Gallas says Arsenal's dressing room is becoming increasingly fractious

Arsenal captain William Gallas has warned the Gunners' young stars that they are "not brave enough" to challenge for the Premier League title.

Saturday's 2-0 defeat by Aston Villa made it four losses in total this term for Arsenal, leaving them nine points adrift of Chelsea and Liverpool.

And 31-year-old Gallas said: "We are not brave enough in battle.

"I think we need to be soldiers. To be champions, you have to play big matches every weekend and fight."

Speaking to the Associated Press, he added: "We are coming up against teams who are not scared to play football against us, who are not scared to take us on at our place, and this is becoming dangerous for Arsenal.

"We have to be warriors. That is how the team will forge their character and experience."

Frenchman Gallas has come under severe personal scrutiny as Arsenal skipper, most recently receiving criticism after being photographed leaving a nightclub with a cigarette in his mouth.

And he was also barracked following a show of petulance at the end of his side's 2-2 draw with Birmingham City last season - and he has admitted friction is creeping into the Arsenal camp.

   
606: DEBATE
Is this a wind-up or not? Can't believe he'd discuss such things in public...

GalacticGarfield

"There was a problem at half-time of the 4-4 draw with Tottenham," he said. "The only thing that I could say at half-time was 'guys, we resolve these problems after the match, not at halftime'."

Gallas revealed that on another occasion some Arsenal players had been insulted by their own team-mate.

"When as captain some players come up to you and talk to you about a player... complaining about him... and then during the match you speak to this player and the player in question insults us, there comes a time where we can no longer comprehend how this can happen," he said.

Gallas would not reveal the player's name, although he said the incident occurred during an attacking phase of play, saying: "I am trying to defend myself a bit without giving names. Otherwise I'm taking it all (the blame). I'm 31, the player is six years younger than me."

Still, the centre-half believes his side can still challenge for honours this season, though he added another season without silverware "would be a kind of failure".

"I have to win something this year. I have to win something, Arsenal has to win something. It's four or five years since Arsenal won anything - 2004 (the league title). That's nearly five years, and that's not good.

"(Big contracts) make the difference, perhaps. You can rest on your laurels, that's for sure."

Arsenal travel to Manchester City in the league on Saturday hoping to avoid their first back-to-back defeats in 58 Premier League encounters.

ent i read that in dismay thats tant amount to sabotage revealing such details. but explains the lack of consitency with such in fighting.

bets on who the 6 years younger upstart is? my money is on fabregas
the player who cusses them? bendtner

[dinho]

ent i read that in dismay thats tant amount to sabotage revealing such details. but explains the lack of consitency with such in fighting.

bets on who the 6 years younger upstart is? my money is on fabregas
the player who cusses them? bendtner

and the next thing is, Gallas should be the last one to talk about who need to fight and be brave..

he's de one getting mash up for most of the goals.. look how easy agbonlahor deal with him last week.

[MarylandTrini]

wtf??


Arsenal not brave enough - Gallas

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/a/arsenal/7739830.stm

William Gallas
Gallas says Arsenal's dressing room is becoming increasingly fractious

Arsenal captain William Gallas has warned the Gunners' young stars that they are "not brave enough" to challenge for the Premier League title.

Saturday's 2-0 defeat by Aston Villa made it four losses in total this term for Arsenal, leaving them nine points adrift of Chelsea and Liverpool.

And 31-year-old Gallas said: "We are not brave enough in battle.

"I think we need to be soldiers. To be champions, you have to play big matches every weekend and fight."

Speaking to the Associated Press, he added: "We are coming up against teams who are not scared to play football against us, who are not scared to take us on at our place, and this is becoming dangerous for Arsenal.

"We have to be warriors. That is how the team will forge their character and experience."

Frenchman Gallas has come under severe personal scrutiny as Arsenal skipper, most recently receiving criticism after being photographed leaving a nightclub with a cigarette in his mouth.

And he was also barracked following a show of petulance at the end of his side's 2-2 draw with Birmingham City last season - and he has admitted friction is creeping into the Arsenal camp.

   
606: DEBATE
Is this a wind-up or not? Can't believe he'd discuss such things in public...

GalacticGarfield

"There was a problem at half-time of the 4-4 draw with Tottenham," he said. "The only thing that I could say at half-time was 'guys, we resolve these problems after the match, not at halftime'."

Gallas revealed that on another occasion some Arsenal players had been insulted by their own team-mate.

"When as captain some players come up to you and talk to you about a player... complaining about him... and then during the match you speak to this player and the player in question insults us, there comes a time where we can no longer comprehend how this can happen," he said.

Gallas would not reveal the player's name, although he said the incident occurred during an attacking phase of play, saying: "I am trying to defend myself a bit without giving names. Otherwise I'm taking it all (the blame). I'm 31, the player is six years younger than me."

Still, the centre-half believes his side can still challenge for honours this season, though he added another season without silverware "would be a kind of failure".

"I have to win something this year. I have to win something, Arsenal has to win something. It's four or five years since Arsenal won anything - 2004 (the league title). That's nearly five years, and that's not good.

"(Big contracts) make the difference, perhaps. You can rest on your laurels, that's for sure."

Arsenal travel to Manchester City in the league on Saturday hoping to avoid their first back-to-back defeats in 58 Premier League encounters.

ent i read that in dismay thats tant amount to sabotage revealing such details. but explains the lack of consitency with such in fighting.

bets on who the 6 years younger upstart is? my money is on fabregas
the player who cusses them? bendtner

Fabregas and Bendtner are 10  years younger than Gallas.

The 25 year olds:
RVP
Sanga
Eduardo
Eboue

[GunnerStunner]

cant be sagna
eduardo no
eboue??? possibly but he loving up with the other african players toure and adeso maybe
how old is ade?
van persie hmmmm possible but not likely
was song on the pitch?