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Re: Socrates on life support
« Reply #180 on: December 04, 2011, 09:26:39 AM »
Wow!!!!!RIP Master Mid fielder!!!!!!!!!!

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Re: Socrates on life support
« Reply #181 on: December 04, 2011, 10:43:21 AM »
Hope he recovers, this man was an icon

Ditto.  He brought such elegance & grace to the game.  One of my all time favourite players. 

All de bess Soccers.

 :beermug: :beermug: Still remember that goal vs. Russia in the '82 WC. Desayev never moved.

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here it is. Quality not to good @ the 256 mark.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_7Zi2pnshE

Brasil 1982 squad. Some great moments, better quality video.

http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=Selecao%27s+much-lauded+1982+World+Cup+squad%2c+&mid=7A3B3D205EE42A2391EF7A3B3D205EE42A2391EF&view=detail&FORM=VIRE1

Thanks for posting davejenny. Unfortunately, I was only three at the time of the 82 world cup and did not begin following football seriously until I was ten. However, from the archived footage I have seen of this team, this was truly one of the most delightful teams to watch and Socrates mesmerized with his impeccable ball control and general flawless technique.


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Re: Socrates on life support
« Reply #182 on: December 04, 2011, 11:02:00 AM »
Damn... crushed by this news.  Socrates was the first football icon that I ever really idolized and part of me has always been deeply disappointed by the way he abused his body, especially for a medical man.  I see lots of parallels with him and Latas (and Best back in the day), unfortunate as that is to say... hope Latapy wakes up and takes heed.

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Re: Socrates on life support
« Reply #183 on: December 04, 2011, 11:04:46 AM »
Socrates captained Brazil against France in WC 86', the most memorable game I ever saw. The 2002 Brazil of Ronaldo, Ronaldhino, Rivaldo and Roberto Carlos might have eclipsed them but Zico, Socrates, Falcao, Junior....that was team

RIP. They don't make them like that anymore.
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Re: Socrates on life support
« Reply #184 on: December 04, 2011, 12:26:37 PM »
Rip General

A Poet with the ball! The last of the back heel specialist.So many memories of this upright, elegant, footballing maestro.
He never won  a World Cup, yet he and his team are still one of the most
talked about footballing teams among purist.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QxLS8MUEqw
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Yuh see dat whuh yuh say dey, dat is de real ting...up to today, I could never take part in ah sweat and eh end up being ah back heeling fool!!
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Re: Socrates on life support
« Reply #185 on: December 04, 2011, 12:52:57 PM »
From:SI.com
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SAO PAULO (AP) - On and off the field, former Brazil star Socrates stood out above the rest.

His elegant style and his deep involvement with politics made him a unique figure in Brazilian soccer, setting him apart from the players of his time and even of today.

He was mostly known for captaining Brazil at the 1982 World Cup, regarded by many as the best team ever not to win football's showcase tournament.

But he was also widely known for his heavy drinking, which he publicly admitted caused the health problems which eventually helped lead to his death on Sunday.

The Albert Einstein hospital said in a statement that Socrates died of septic shock at 4:30 a.m. Brazilian time (0630 GMT). He was 57.

Brazilian President Dilma Rousseff said Brazil lost "one of its most cherished sons.''

"On the field, with his talent and sophisticated touches, he was a genius,'' she said in a statement. "Off the field, ... he was active politically, concerned with his people and his country.''

Former president Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva also expressed his sadness for the loss.

"Socrates' generous contribution to Corinthians, to football and to the Brazilian society will never be forgotten,'' said Silva, an outspoken fan of Corinthians, the club where Socrates thrived in the 1980s.

Socrates had been rushed to the hospital a few days ago and had been in critical condition in an intensive care unit with an intestinal infection. He was breathing with the help of a ventilator.

It was the third time in four months that he was hospitalized and placed in intensive care, most recently in September. The first two times he was admitted for a hemorrhage caused by high pressure in the vein that carries blood from the digestive system to the liver.

Socrates never denied his fondness for drinking from the time he was a player in the 1980s, but said he stopped drinking earlier this year after his stints in the hospital.

"Socrates seemed like a player from another era,'' former Italy forward Paolo Rossi told the ANSA news agency. "You couldn't place him in any category - on the pitch and even more so off it. Everyone knew about his degree in medicine and he had a lot of cultural and social interests as well. He was unique from every point of view.''

Indeed, Socrates was like no other on and off the field. He became a doctor after retiring from football and later became a popular TV commentator and columnist, always with unique and controversial opinions.

Since his playing days, Socrates never kept his political ideas to himself and often wrote about the subject in his columns. Known as Dr. Socrates because of his practice of medicine, he was constantly in demand from local media for interviews on varied subjects.

While with Corinthians, Socrates spearheaded a movement called the Corinthians Democracy, in which players protested against the long periods of confinement required by the club before matches. It quickly became a broader protest that coincided with Brazil's fight to overturn a military regime in the 1980s.

The clever, tall full-bearded playmaker also was a member of the Brazilian squad in 1986 in Mexico, but it was in 1982 in Spain that he made history with Brazil, which is known to have had one of the greatest teams in World Cup history but failed to win the trophy. With players like Zico and Falcao, it fell to Italy 3-2 in the second round despite needing only a draw to advance to the semifinals.

"He was a very dynamic player with a sublime foot but most of all great intelligence,'' added Rossi, who scored a memorable hat trick in that match against Brazil. "Along with Zico and Falcao he was the symbol of that Brazil squad.

Zico said he was honored to have been Socrates' friend and teammate.

"He was a spectacular guy,'' Zico told the website GloboEsporte.com. "As a player, there is not much to say, he was one of the best that I ever played with. His intelligence was unique, you always expected something good out of him.''

Dozens of Brazilian footballers expressed their sadness on Twitter moments after Socrates' death was announced.

"Sad start to the day,'' retired Brazil striker Ronaldo wrote. "Rest in peace Dr. Socrates.''

Former Brazil and Barcelona playmaker Rivaldo added on his Twitter page: "Sad to wake up and find out that Socrates has died.''

Reaction came from those outside of football, too, including three-time French Open champion Gustavo Kuerten and three-time Indy 500 winner Helio Castroneves.

"Great guy,'' Castroneves tweeted. "A Brazilian who will be greatly missed.''

NBA player Steve Nash called Socrates a "legend.''

"RIP Socrates,'' the Phoenix Suns' point guard tweeted. "Fascinated by him as a kid. Brazilian World Cup Legend. Playmaker. Goal scorer. Doctor. Philosopher.''

The Brazilian football federation said the final round of the Brazilian league on Sunday will be played in Socrates' honor. All matches will be preceded by a minute of silence. Corinthians, the team that featured Socrates at the height of his career, needs a draw against rival Palmeiras to win the title. Corinthians' main fan group said it will honor its former star throughout the day.

Fiorentina, another of Socrates' former clubs, held a minute of silence and players wore black armbands in his honor in Sunday's Italian league match with Roma.

Socrates wrote a series of columns for The Associated Press during the 2011 Copa America in Argentina, expressing his views on all aspects of the tournament, including economic and political issues in Latin America.

"It's not just about the game itself,'' Socrates said before the competition began. "Before anything, (football) is a psychological battle, the human aspect plays a significant role.''

Socrates, whose full name is Socrates Brasileiro Sampaio de Souza Vieira de Oliveira, also played for Flamengo and Santos.

Socrates was included in FIFA's list of the best 125 living soccer players in the world, a list compiled by countryman Pele. Socrates played 63 matches with the national team, scoring 25 goals.

He was known for his great vision on the field. Always clever with the ball at his feet, his trademark move was the back-heel pass, and he set up and scored many goals with it throughout his career.

Socrates briefly coached and played for Garforth Town in England in 2004.

Socrates' younger brother Rai was another great Brazilian midfielder, and he helped Brazil win the 1994 World Cup in the United States.

Funeral services will take place in his home town of Ribeirao Preto, in the interior of Sao Paulo state.

He is survived by his wife and six children.

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Re: Socrates on life support
« Reply #186 on: December 04, 2011, 12:58:53 PM »
RIP Socrates.  He and Zico made me a Brazil fan almost 30 years ago.

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Re: Socrates on life support
« Reply #187 on: December 04, 2011, 02:46:34 PM »
Everyone's favorite,Socrates name will live on forever. RIP #8.
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Re: Socrates on life support
« Reply #188 on: December 04, 2011, 03:08:16 PM »
The true general...RIP

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Re: Socrates on life support
« Reply #189 on: December 04, 2011, 03:27:27 PM »
Rip General

A Poet with the ball! The last of the back heel specialist.
So many memories of this upright, elegant, footballing maestro.
He never won  a World Cup, yet he and his team are still one of the most
talked about footballing teams among purist.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QxLS8MUEqw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vk2OkagTuY
Everytime I watch tapes & highlights of that Brazil '82 team, my pores does raise. They were before my time but I used to watch videos on them growing up. Dem fellas had a chemistry that was second to none and they had a kind of flair that not even the mighty Spain has IMO.
From watching again, Brazil missed some simple chances against Italy boy....and Rossi just took advantage for his opportunites, dat man was clinical, it was truly his WC.

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Re: Socrates on life support
« Reply #190 on: December 04, 2011, 07:25:19 PM »
RIP B est captin 2 never win ah WC.
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Re: Socrates on life support
« Reply #191 on: December 04, 2011, 07:33:36 PM »
RIP captain,neva support brazil but this man commanded respect,ah true leader.only read bout him yesterday.wuh ever happen to he lil bro,Rai.
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Re: Socrates on life support
« Reply #192 on: December 04, 2011, 10:00:27 PM »
I doh think anybody will see an athlete like that again ..ever

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« Reply #193 on: December 04, 2011, 10:06:01 PM »
I doh think anybody will see an athlete like that again ..ever

Hard core drinker, world class midfielder and medical practitioner all done concurrently

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« Reply #194 on: December 05, 2011, 08:45:45 AM »
RIP captain,neva support brazil but this man commanded respect,ah true leader.only read bout him yesterday.wuh ever happen to he lil bro,Rai.

So nutten we does support 2gether
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Re: Socrates on life support
« Reply #195 on: December 05, 2011, 06:27:02 PM »
RIP captain,neva support brazil but this man commanded respect,ah true leader.only read bout him yesterday.wuh ever happen to he lil bro,Rai.

So nutten we does support 2gether

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Re: Socrates on life support
« Reply #196 on: December 05, 2011, 07:18:02 PM »
RIP captain,neva support brazil but this man commanded respect,ah true leader.only read bout him yesterday.wuh ever happen to he lil bro,Rai.

So nutten we does support 2gether

He's a closet Laker  :devil:

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Re: Socrates on life support
« Reply #198 on: December 05, 2011, 07:46:32 PM »
One of the coolest players to grace the football field.

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« Reply #199 on: December 05, 2011, 08:00:04 PM »
The commentary on this video giving me chills-just take me back to watching that game again. I find football today compared to those times lacks the flair and quality of some of those sides!

http://youtu.be/y-be-W5Y12E

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Re: Socrates on life support
« Reply #200 on: December 06, 2011, 06:01:01 AM »
De man buried already ... quick ting. Died Sunday, buried Monday.

I doh think anybody will see an athlete like that again ..ever

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On a related note, the extract below is from an article written less than 10 days ago by Socrates. He takes Blatter to task in the second to last paragraph (regarding the handshake comment) and then rails on Pele in the final paragraph. The article is entitled "Some dream, others don't".

Made in the context of referring to Martin Luther King's famous words, Socrates' description of Pele's lack of engagement:

"Along with corruption, there's nothing more endemic than racism among those that govern football. Certainly all black people on the planet felt aggrieved except for one: Pele ... One thing we know for sure: Pele has never had a dream."

Nada mais endêmico (junto com a corrupção) entre aqueles que comandam o futebol. Certamente os negros de todo o planeta se sentiram agredidos, menos um: Pelé. Que de preto parece ter somente a cor da pele. Ele não só corroborou com a tese de Blatter como acrescentou outras bobagens nascidas de seu pseudointelecto. De uma coisa sabemos de há muito: Pelé jamais sonhou com o que quer que seja.

http://www.cartacapital.com.br/sociedade/alguns-sonham-outros-nao/

The entire article demonstrates the man's command of social reality, global political dynamics and individual consciousness. He invokes Mandela and King ... and the Arab Spring.

RIP again.
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Re: Socrates on life support
« Reply #201 on: December 06, 2011, 08:10:37 AM »
Did he ever grace a field in TnT?

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Re: Socrates on life support
« Reply #202 on: December 06, 2011, 08:40:05 AM »
Did he ever grace a field in TnT?

Yes! And what a performance it was. He strolled through the game and might of well of had a cigar and drink in his hand.
Flicks, backheel he sombero a defender under full pressure & then lift the ball over a second defender for a team mate running on.
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« Reply #203 on: December 06, 2011, 08:43:21 AM »
Did he ever grace a field in TnT?

Yes! And what a performance it was. He strolled through the game and might of well of had a cigar and drink in his hand.
Flicks, backheel he sombero a defender under full pressure & then lift the ball over a second defender for a team mate running on.
Crowd bawl!!!

He and Zico came
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Re: Socrates on life support
« Reply #204 on: December 06, 2011, 08:51:44 AM »
Did he ever grace a field in TnT?

Yes! And what a performance it was. He strolled through the game and might of well of had a cigar and drink in his hand.
Flicks, backheel he sombero a defender under full pressure & then lift the ball over a second defender for a team mate running on.
Crowd bawl!!!

He and Zico came

He came as Capt. of Paulista Corinthians in 1982. Rip up ASL 7-2 (at least I think it was 2). Fantastic goals were scored by Garnet Craig and Leric "Lobo" Joseph. A few months earlier Zico came with World Club Champs, Flamenco.

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Re: Socrates on life support
« Reply #205 on: December 06, 2011, 03:32:04 PM »
Some are wondering whether it was fair or proper for Socrates to condemn Pele ... I see Socrates' perspective, but I don't think that Pele's role can be placed aside either. In one way, there's this position that Pele did cosmetic things, but there's reform that he was responsible for as well. in its best light, Socrates is at least saying Pele should have done ... could do more?

On the other hand, there's this view that Pele has led a clean, largely sanitized life that has not been plagued with Socrates' vices ... and that this renders "something" in Pele's favor. The Brazilian perspective on this is eye-opening.
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Re: Socrates on life support
« Reply #206 on: December 09, 2011, 04:19:54 AM »
Of course he right ... VB, fuh a trivia man ah find yuh earn at least 2 clout dey ... yuh really question Chow on that? :) ... that moment is one of the most iconic moments in WC goalscoring history.

On a personal note (as a natural right footer often playing unnaturally on the left), Eder had a HUGE influence on me coming to the recognition that a left foot could become that educated ... and to what effect ... because of where he played on the field, how he treated the ball and how he expanded the field, compared to what had caught my attention from the game in England. Ah know it will sound like heresy to some, but I didn't "accept" Maradona until 1986 ... part of that was rooted in Argentina-resistant genes (Ordem e Progresso :salute:) ... Grudgingly, the resistance has lessened over the years.

For me, a left footer of reference for any young midfield player today ... for me ... should/would be David Silva. Hands down. I swear I heard a commentator say yesterday something to the effect that he had the impression Silva cultivated his left foot in a telephone booth :wavetowel: ... Mercy!!! Having stated that doh ... as ah kill Socrates' eulogy ... 2 more words: Arjen Robben.

Allyuh eh want to start meh on left footers ... ah could deliver ah treatise on dem without mentioning de fella at Barcelona  ::). Dey exciting too bad. FUH REAL!!!

Anyhow, R.I.P. Socrates, R.I.P. Will pay my tribute by watching old footage.  :beermug: One to reach the skies.

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...only now see this....yuh dam right to bouff 'im up, 'Seeker but apology accepted, vb.  (but in d future, doh ever question me on no Brazil matters when I speak on it eh!)  :D  '78 WC was by far the greatest footballing atmosphere I have ever witnessed but '82 was the the best setta football I ever watched in a WC....it sealed my fate as a Brazil fan.  I was in tears when I got the news in school that they had lost to Italy and I never forgave Serginho for all them easy misses he made in the games leading up to and including the Italy game.....just one ore two more goals from him and the outcome would have been different. 

Speaking of left-footers....a few years back when Brazil got beaten by Honduras in the Gold Cup (I think it was).....I cyah remember the man name but is a man that had poison them up that right side....the man was using that left foot like a dam sword!!


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« Reply #207 on: February 01, 2012, 08:58:13 AM »
FireBrand grandmother passed away.

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