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Re: Minister Of National Security Performance Update: 74 MURDERS IN 54 DAYS!!
« Reply #690 on: February 24, 2013, 12:16:15 PM »
Updated score: 74 in 54.

And de end of the innings no where in sight......*sigh*   :'( :'(
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Re: Minister Of National Security Performance Update: 74 MURDERS IN 54 DAYS!!
« Reply #691 on: February 24, 2013, 12:59:52 PM »
Police kills 4 today drunk driving. 2 children. Mother and another lady. Manslaughter!
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Re: Minister Of National Security Performance Update: 74 MURDERS IN 54 DAYS!!
« Reply #692 on: February 24, 2013, 01:19:40 PM »
Police kills 4 today drunk driving. 2 children. Mother and another lady. Manslaughter!

Inquest will hv 2 confirm that it is murder but feel free 2add d 1 from John John
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Re: Minister Of National Security Performance Update: 74 MURDERS IN 54 DAYS!!
« Reply #693 on: February 24, 2013, 05:59:43 PM »
Police kills 4 today drunk driving. 2 children. Mother and another lady. Manslaughter!

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Re: Minister Of National Security Performance Update: 74 MURDERS IN 54 DAYS!!
« Reply #694 on: February 24, 2013, 06:01:33 PM »
does anyone know whether there is a citizen's forum or some other public organization that tackles the issue of violent crime and can place pressure on politicians and police?
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Re: Minister Of National Security Performance Update: 74 MURDERS IN 54 DAYS!!
« Reply #695 on: February 24, 2013, 06:18:00 PM »
Police kills 4 today drunk driving. 2 children. Mother and another lady. Manslaughter!

Inquest will hv 2 confirm that it is murder but feel free 2add d 1 from John John
I can't keep up, so how much is the figure now?  :-[
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Re: Minister Of National Security Performance Update: 74 MURDERS IN 54 DAYS!!
« Reply #696 on: February 24, 2013, 06:41:29 PM »
Police kills 4 today drunk driving. 2 children. Mother and another lady. Manslaughter!

Inquest will hv 2 confirm that it is murder but feel free 2add d 1 from John John
I can't keep up, so how much is the figure now?  :-[

Yuh count the fella who got shot in Maraval last night??.....
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Re: Minister Of National Security Performance Update: 74 MURDERS IN 54 DAYS!!
« Reply #697 on: February 24, 2013, 06:52:39 PM »
Police kills 4 today drunk driving. 2 children. Mother and another lady. Manslaughter!

Inquest will hv 2 confirm that it is murder but feel free 2add d 1 from John John
I can't keep up, so how much is the figure now?  :-[

Yuh count the fella who got shot in Maraval last night??.....

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Re: Minister Of National Security Performance Update: 74 MURDERS IN 54 DAYS!!
« Reply #698 on: February 24, 2013, 10:13:03 PM »
Boy, 16, shot dead
...Gunmen tell little brother to run

By Gyasi Gonzales
 
A TEENAGER on his way to share Sunday lunch with his mother was shot dead in John John, East Port of Spain, yesterday.

The victim was identified by police as Shakeel Aberdeen, 16.
Police said Aberdeen and his 12-year-old brother were walking through a track in Africa, John John when four men armed with guns approached them from behind around 11 a.m.
The killers told the younger brother to run home before shooting Aberdeen to the back of his head and back, police said. Aberdeen died on the spot.
Police investigators were unable to give a motive for the killing.
Aberdeen's mother, Sherma Critchlow, who arrived at the murder scene, said her children were staying by a relative a few houses lower down from where she lives.

"For no reason they just shot him in his head and his back and the thing is he was coming up by me for a meal but if ah know that this would have happened to him I would have come to him," she said.
Police officers who were at the scene of the mutiple fatality accident in Sea Lots had to respond to the murder scene to preserve any evidence.

Detectives of the Homicide Bureau and officers of the Crime Scene Unit subsequently arrived on the scene and Aberdeen's body was taken to the Port of Spain Mortuary.
Homicide Bureau officers are continuing investigations.

The murder toll stood at 73 up to last night according to an Express tally, while the murder toll for the comparable period last year stood at 60.
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Re: Minister Of National Security Performance Update: 74 MURDERS IN 54 DAYS!!
« Reply #699 on: February 24, 2013, 10:27:25 PM »
Boy, 16, shot dead
...Gunmen tell little brother to run

By Gyasi Gonzales
 
A TEENAGER on his way to share Sunday lunch with his mother was shot dead in John John, East Port of Spain, yesterday.

The victim was identified by police as Shakeel Aberdeen, 16.
Police said Aberdeen and his 12-year-old brother were walking through a track in Africa, John John when four men armed with guns approached them from behind around 11 a.m.
The killers told the younger brother to run home before shooting Aberdeen to the back of his head and back, police said. Aberdeen died on the spot.
Police investigators were unable to give a motive for the killing.
Aberdeen's mother, Sherma Critchlow, who arrived at the murder scene, said her children were staying by a relative a few houses lower down from where she lives.

"For no reason they just shot him in his head and his back and the thing is he was coming up by me for a meal but if ah know that this would have happened to him I would have come to him," she said.
Police officers who were at the scene of the mutiple fatality accident in Sea Lots had to respond to the murder scene to preserve any evidence.

Detectives of the Homicide Bureau and officers of the Crime Scene Unit subsequently arrived on the scene and Aberdeen's body was taken to the Port of Spain Mortuary.
Homicide Bureau officers are continuing investigations.

The murder toll stood at 73 up to last night according to an Express tally, while the murder toll for the comparable period last year stood at 60.

WTF did I just read that.... what going on in this place?

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Re: Minister Of National Security Performance Update: 74 MURDERS IN 54 DAYS!!
« Reply #700 on: February 24, 2013, 11:50:12 PM »
I saw a picture of the Sea Lots crowd after the accident. It looked like BBC Africa was covering another conflict.

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Re: Minister Of National Security Performance Update: 75 MURDERS IN 55 DAYS!!
« Reply #701 on: February 25, 2013, 06:27:37 AM »
I saw a picture of the Sea Lots crowd after the accident. It looked like BBC Africa was covering another conflict.

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Re: Minister Of National Security Performance Update: 75 MURDERS IN 55 DAYS!!
« Reply #702 on: February 25, 2013, 07:57:13 AM »
What is the local community leaders doing about this?
No Government can help these people yes.

It getting to be worse and worse, a damn slum.  And the spillage leaking into other areas.
My own family almost lose he life, when a man tell him the same "run" statement.  Taking a taxi home, he end up getting rob and left with a broken arm.  Family run, he a track boy and bad luck he trip.  That's when these a$$holes catch him.  It's luck he not dead. 

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Re: Minister Of National Security Performance Update: 75 MURDERS IN 55 DAYS!!
« Reply #703 on: February 25, 2013, 10:24:34 AM »
I saw a picture of the Sea Lots crowd after the accident. It looked like BBC Africa was covering another conflict.

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I had tears in my eyes watching this video. Its easy to jump to conclusions about the situation since these communities have a reputation for antisocial behaviour. Upon closer examination I can empathize with the residence on human level. All things considered the spontaneous protest and the disruption caused are forgivable to say the least.

Some people think they ought to be shot in the head. That's where we are in T&T.

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Re: Minister Of National Security Performance Update: 75 MURDERS IN 55 DAYS!!
« Reply #704 on: February 25, 2013, 01:30:40 PM »
I saw a picture of the Sea Lots crowd after the accident. It looked like BBC Africa was covering another conflict.

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I had tears in my eyes watching this video. Its easy to jump to conclusions about the situation since these communities have a reputation for antisocial behaviour. Upon closer examination I can empathize with the residence on human level. All things considered the spontaneous protest and the disruption caused are forgivable to say the least.

Some people think they ought to be shot in the head. That's where we are in T&T.
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« Reply #705 on: February 25, 2013, 02:26:56 PM »
What is the local community leaders doing about this?
No Government can help these people yes.

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It getting to be worse and worse, a damn slum.  And the spillage leaking into other areas.
My own family almost lose he life, when a man tell him the same "run" statement.  Taking a taxi home, he end up getting rob and left with a broken arm.  Family run, he a track boy and bad luck he trip.  That's when these a$$holes catch him.  It's luck he not dead. 

These criminals just Stink. Ah wish them death


The prevailing fallacy in the nation is that the "slum" has geographical boundaries. The better view is that the "slum" is collectively the entire country.

Everyone will suffer as a consequence.

Collective future, collective fate.

The faster all citizens wrap their individual heads around that proposition, the better equipped we'll be to address this social decay.
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« Reply #706 on: February 25, 2013, 03:33:17 PM »
What is the local community leaders doing about this?
No Government can help these people yes.

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It getting to be worse and worse, a damn slum.  And the spillage leaking into other areas.
My own family almost lose he life, when a man tell him the same "run" statement.  Taking a taxi home, he end up getting rob and left with a broken arm.  Family run, he a track boy and bad luck he trip.  That's when these a$$holes catch him.  It's luck he not dead. 

These criminals just Stink. Ah wish them death


The prevailing fallacy in the nation is that the "slum" has geographical boundaries. The better view is that the "slum" is collectively the entire country.

Everyone will suffer as a consequence.

Collective future, collective fate.

The faster all citizens wrap their individual heads around that proposition, the better equipped we'll be to address this social decay.
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« Reply #707 on: February 25, 2013, 08:22:56 PM »
What is the local community leaders doing about this?
No Government can help these people yes.

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It getting to be worse and worse, a damn slum.  And the spillage leaking into other areas.
My own family almost lose he life, when a man tell him the same "run" statement.  Taking a taxi home, he end up getting rob and left with a broken arm.  Family run, he a track boy and bad luck he trip.  That's when these a$$holes catch him.  It's luck he not dead. 

These criminals just Stink. Ah wish them death


The prevailing fallacy in the nation is that the "slum" has geographical boundaries. The better view is that the "slum" is collectively the entire country.

Everyone will suffer as a consequence.

Collective future, collective fate.

The faster all citizens wrap their individual heads around that proposition, the better equipped we'll be to address this social decay.

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« Reply #708 on: February 25, 2013, 08:45:33 PM »
What is the local community leaders doing about this?
No Government can help these people yes.

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It getting to be worse and worse, a damn slum.  And the spillage leaking into other areas.
My own family almost lose he life, when a man tell him the same "run" statement.  Taking a taxi home, he end up getting rob and left with a broken arm.  Family run, he a track boy and bad luck he trip.  That's when these a$$holes catch him.  It's luck he not dead. 

These criminals just Stink. Ah wish them death


The prevailing fallacy in the nation is that the "slum" has geographical boundaries. The better view is that the "slum" is collectively the entire country.

Everyone will suffer as a consequence.

Collective future, collective fate.

The faster all citizens wrap their individual heads around that proposition, the better equipped we'll be to address this social decay.

sounds good, but how exactly do we convince all citizens to wrap their head around this. what tangible incentive will be offered up to those outside or inside the 'geographic boundries' to address social decay...and what do we do while we are waiting for everyone to be convinced?
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« Reply #709 on: February 25, 2013, 09:13:25 PM »
What is the local community leaders doing about this?
No Government can help these people yes.

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It getting to be worse and worse, a damn slum.  And the spillage leaking into other areas.
My own family almost lose he life, when a man tell him the same "run" statement.  Taking a taxi home, he end up getting rob and left with a broken arm.  Family run, he a track boy and bad luck he trip.  That's when these a$$holes catch him.  It's luck he not dead. 

These criminals just Stink. Ah wish them death


The prevailing fallacy in the nation is that the "slum" has geographical boundaries. The better view is that the "slum" is collectively the entire country.

Everyone will suffer as a consequence.

Collective future, collective fate.

The faster all citizens wrap their individual heads around that proposition, the better equipped we'll be to address this social decay.

sounds good, but how exactly do we convince all citizens to wrap their head around this. what tangible incentive will be offered up to those outside or inside the 'geographic boundries' to address social decay...and what do we do while we are waiting for everyone to be convinced?


They can keep their head in the sand, because the decay has been affecting them for a long time now. Whenever you have to think about whether you can wear your new gold chain in town or not, that you have to roll up your window in traffic, that you have to scan the area carefully before you use an atm, or that you need to go jogging before it gets dark. The decay is there and everyone believe it's not their problem, that it's "them" and not "we". But we rather hide than address the sickness.
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« Reply #710 on: February 25, 2013, 09:28:43 PM »
I saw a picture of the Sea Lots crowd after the accident. It looked like BBC Africa was covering another conflict.

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This video is level  :bs:   this is something that needs to change. The media needs to develop some type of morality, a different level  responsibility to the citizenry. Why show the people dead lying on the side of the road o national tv. I think it is tasteless, morally wrong and lack any responsibility in bringing information to the public.

The emergency responders also need to do a (99% increase) much better job of securing crime scenes, accident scenes and disasters. They do a poor job of keeping the public away, minimizing and debriefing the media. These things need drastic improvement.
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« Reply #711 on: February 25, 2013, 09:36:25 PM »


The emergency responders also need to do a (99% increase) much better job of securing crime scenes, accident scenes and disasters. They do a poor job of keeping the public away, minimizing and debriefing the media. These things need drastic improvement.


So...how yuh suggest that they do dat now? Cuz maybe they attempted to and it was seen as sinister.
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« Reply #712 on: February 25, 2013, 10:16:55 PM »
While half the population has no sympathy or empathy for Morvant/Laventille people, I cannot see how they can brush over the incident that cause the riot. A policeman(guardian of society) killed 4 people by negligent driving. Then there is an appearance of cover by the police authorities to save the police who allegedly run over these people. Is not that they were carelessly crossing the road. Correct me if I am wrong about that.

 Did the car not ride the pavement and struck the pedestians? Because they from Place de Mer(Sea Lots) they should shut up and accept their faith? That is what "god" plan for them because they poor, black and stupid? It good for them because they living dey? They is ah eyesore for them tourist? How can they trust the police. Police is enemy number for them. I bet you if the police was to do some of the things in the other communities that they do in the black communities, you would not hear the end of it. I watch that man cry for he wife and child? None ah we in that man sneakers? God Bless to the victims. And I have no sympathy from them coward bandits who use them people. They will get justice. rough or outherwise.

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« Reply #713 on: February 25, 2013, 10:31:12 PM »


The emergency responders also need to do a (99% increase) much better job of securing crime scenes, accident scenes and disasters. They do a poor job of keeping the public away, minimizing and debriefing the media. These things need drastic improvement.


So...how yuh suggest that they do dat now? Cuz maybe they attempted to and it was seen as sinister.


I am talking in General, they do not do a good job. You see media personnel walking around murders normal, people coming and going, people up close taking photos with their phones. Better needs to be done within the initial response to a situation.
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« Reply #714 on: February 25, 2013, 11:01:22 PM »

They can keep their head in the sand, because the decay has been affecting them for a long time now. Whenever you have to think about whether you can wear your new gold chain in town or not, that you have to roll up your window in traffic, that you have to scan the area carefully before you use an atm, or that you need to go jogging before it gets dark. The decay is there and everyone believe it's not their problem, that it's "them" and not "we". But we rather hide than address the sickness.

elan, the wealthy of south africa have been doing the same thing for decades. the wealthy and not so wealthy in the U.S. the same for hundreds of years. europe, india, china....pretty much the same thing for thousands of years.

the penalties for turning one's back....peeping out from behind an atm, jogging before dark or what have you...appear to be worth the price.

i asked a question on this same thread a few days ago about the existence of a citizen's coalition to address issues of crime and put pressure on politicians and police. not one man jack could answer, or be bothered to answer.

we celebrate, vote for, and trust men like jack warner to oversee our most important civic institutions. we have lawmen killing women and children on the road. our courts, the very instruments that are supposed to uphold justice are powerless to act in the face of blatant evidence of corruption on the part of this same warner, who already excusing these deaths as 'accidents'

the collective as it is often used is a purely academic notion. real unity comes from shared blood and sacrifice. the nation state in T&T is pure fiction. our history is essentially that of a bunch of dogs thrown into a cage to fight over scrap meat.

the reality is that nobody from westmoorings, valsayn or ellersly park is really that inconvenienced. money and power affords safe space and protection. and what do you really expect those folks, or anyone else from the outside to do stop this decay?

for me the answer lies squarely on the shoulders of each individual, within the reach of intelligence, age, and environment to protect and raise their children in a manner that will lead them to become productive citizens. not because of rigid ideology, but because of history and the complexities of the human condition. 

this is no joke. much like the civil rights movement in the U.S., the struggle for self-rule in india, and the abolishing of apartheid in S.A. it will require many individual acts of courage and sacrifice to even begin to sort out the mess. not just the elites and middle class, but also those we identify as being oppressed.
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Re: Minister Of National Security Performance Update: 75 MURDERS IN 55 DAYS!!
« Reply #715 on: February 25, 2013, 11:42:30 PM »
Boy, 16, shot dead
...Gunmen tell little brother to run

By Gyasi Gonzales
 
A TEENAGER on his way to share Sunday lunch with his mother was shot dead in John John, East Port of Spain, yesterday.

The victim was identified by police as Shakeel Aberdeen, 16.
Police said Aberdeen and his 12-year-old brother were walking through a track in Africa, John John when four men armed with guns approached them from behind around 11 a.m.
The killers told the younger brother to run home before shooting Aberdeen to the back of his head and back, police said. Aberdeen died on the spot.
Police investigators were unable to give a motive for the killing.
Aberdeen's mother, Sherma Critchlow, who arrived at the murder scene, said her children were staying by a relative a few houses lower down from where she lives.

"For no reason they just shot him in his head and his back and the thing is he was coming up by me for a meal but if ah know that this would have happened to him I would have come to him," she said.
Police officers who were at the scene of the mutiple fatality accident in Sea Lots had to respond to the murder scene to preserve any evidence.

Detectives of the Homicide Bureau and officers of the Crime Scene Unit subsequently arrived on the scene and Aberdeen's body was taken to the Port of Spain Mortuary.
Homicide Bureau officers are continuing investigations.

The murder toll stood at 73 up to last night according to an Express tally, while the murder toll for the comparable period last year stood at 60.

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« Reply #716 on: February 26, 2013, 12:26:20 AM »
Makes you wonder about the age of the shooters.

I wonder how the Minister of Insecurity would categorize this one...sad sad day and this governnment had a crime plan.
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« Reply #717 on: February 26, 2013, 12:35:17 AM »
I had tears in my eyes watching this video. Its easy to jump to conclusions about the situation since these communities have a reputation for antisocial behaviour. Upon closer examination I can empathize with the residence on human level. All things considered the spontaneous protest and the disruption caused are forgivable to say the least.

Some people think they ought to be shot in the head. That's where we are in T&T.

Nah... I cyah sympathize with this emotional overreaction.  NOT to the point that you blocking highway and ready to fight police.  But that is just me.

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« Reply #718 on: February 26, 2013, 01:10:30 AM »
The emergency responders also need to do a (99% increase) much better job of securing crime scenes, accident scenes and disasters. They do a poor job of keeping the public away, minimizing and debriefing the media. These things need drastic improvement.

More tear gas and flash grenades, perhaps?

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Re: Minister Of National Security Performance Update: 75 MURDERS IN 55 DAYS!!
« Reply #719 on: February 26, 2013, 12:51:15 PM »
What is the local community leaders doing about this?
No Government can help these people yes.

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It getting to be worse and worse, a damn slum.  And the spillage leaking into other areas.
My own family almost lose he life, when a man tell him the same "run" statement.  Taking a taxi home, he end up getting rob and left with a broken arm.  Family run, he a track boy and bad luck he trip.  That's when these a$$holes catch him.  It's luck he not dead. 

These criminals just Stink. Ah wish them death


The prevailing fallacy in the nation is that the "slum" has geographical boundaries. The better view is that the "slum" is collectively the entire country.

Everyone will suffer as a consequence.

Collective future, collective fate.

The faster all citizens wrap their individual heads around that proposition, the better equipped we'll be to address this social decay.

sounds good, but how exactly do we convince all citizens to wrap their head around this. what tangible incentive will be offered up to those outside or inside the 'geographic boundries' to address social decay...and what do we do while we are waiting for everyone to be convinced?

Tangible incentive? First off, the underlying assumption (for those outside the boundaries) that the rot won't reach their doorsteps is flawed. Usually by the time it's walking up the driveway, all hell has comprehensively broken loose. Prevention is incentive itself.

There are those who will flee. My focus isn't addressed to them (but we suffer from their departure). The ones who won't leave, or can't leave, are the ones to whom the portent and threat need to be self-evident.

Those inside the boundaries know the truth but they have to rationalise it differently because of direct and daily exposure compounded by direct and daily consequences.

Incentives to action for them have little meaning barring accompanying supportive actions outside the boundaries. The "insiders" are the ones who have to live in fear and caution and to whom making accommodations with the "bad eggs" is a routine. They know life has more to offer than that. They just haven't been shown any preconditions for change or haven't witnessed sufficient political will to alter the situation.

If "insiders" and "outsiders" fail to act together, we have a status quo of mutually reinforcing vacuums that changes nothing regarding the decay, and one that deepens conditions for a worsening of an already deteriorating social order. People inside "hotspots" and outside of "hotspots" have to act in a coordinated manner to counter the rot.

Different people will be galvanized to act by different motivations and at different times but, undoubtedly, some of the wilfully blind who remain falsely secure in their sense of insulation will have to feel to learn. This is often the price for bartering one's morality and values.

Convincing? I woudn't invest any effort in encouraging the intransigent to act. All of my efforts would be directed to driving change and resisting the rot. Naysayers and disbelievers tend to fall in to line once they sense a glimmer of the resurrection of life as they prefer it. Unfortunately for them, the sting of their inaction becomes a lingering sense of resentment by those who made sacrifices.

Anyone who wants a stake in the outcome has to leverage a stake in the solution.

The other risk of not recognising what I've asserted is that of balkanising the country outside the traditional variables of race and class ... on the fuel of interests and resources.

When enemies conspire the shit has true possibilities of hitting the fan.
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