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Re: Terry Fenwick Thread.
« Reply #930 on: December 21, 2019, 09:11:13 AM »
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The best thing that has happened to TT football but it took too long for DL to realize he wasn't up to the job,had he stayed another season or 2 we may well be down with the likes of Burma and Bangladesh.DL was only taking us down and down,the English Trini could not do worse in fact I expect better and a climb back to where we belong,the second best team or the best team in the Caribbean.
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Re: Terry Fenwick Thread.
« Reply #931 on: December 21, 2019, 10:42:06 AM »
Jones believes Fenwick can do T&T job.
By Walter Alibey (Guardian).


For­mer So­ca War­riors cap­tain Ken­wyne Jones says the ap­point­ment of Ter­ry Fen­wick at the helm of the cur­rent strug­gling team was need­ed and it did not come as a sur­prise due to the items in the Unit­ed T&T Foot­ball As­so­ci­a­tion’s man­i­festo.

“For T&T foot­ball, it is good to have some sta­bil­i­ty at the head. The things they have out­lined for the fu­ture, in terms of the train­ing camps and what not, hope­ful­ly, that is some­thing that will be so­lid­i­fied, the in­vest­ment that is nec­es­sary, the struc­ture that is nec­es­sary and maybe the fu­ture of T&T foot­ball will be in good hands,” Jones ex­plained.

Jones be­lieves Fen­wick, who was ap­point­ed to re­place the sacked Den­nis Lawrence ear­li­er this week, will bring with him his pro­fes­sion­al­ism and ex­pe­ri­ence.

“We need to change the cul­ture of the tour­na­ment mind­set and we need to start hav­ing that con­tin­u­ous pro­gramme, con­tin­u­ous plan­ning, not on­ly for the na­tion­al teams but al­so the club pro­gramme, acad­e­my pro­gramme, the school pro­gramme, every­thing needs to change at this point, where we start think­ing about long term and not short term.”

How­ev­er, Jones does not feel Fen­wick will have it all easy at the start. Not­ing, the UK coach has been very crit­i­cal of oth­ers coach­es over the last decade, Jones said, “He (Fen­wick) would have a lot of con­vinc­ing to do be­cause he’s been here for quite a while and has been on the oth­er side of the fence. He did a lot of crit­i­cis­ing of teams, play­ers and coach­es but now it’s his turn to man­age. So he’ll have to con­vince peo­ple and win them over.”

For­mer na­tion­al mid­field­er, now coach Travis Mul­raine al­so be­lieves Fen­wick’s se­lec­tion was a good one. How­ev­er, he says he will stay away from mak­ing any pre­dic­tions, say­ing we will see what will hap­pen in time to come.

Mul­raine, a for­mer Matu­ra Re­Unit­ed and Guaya Unit­ed coach who played un­der Fen­wick at San Juan Jabloteh in the T&T Pro League, said Fen­wick is def­i­nite­ly de­serv­ing of a chance, hav­ing won ti­tles with Jabloteh, Cen­tral FC and be­ing ex­cel­lent at un­earthing and de­vel­op­ing new tal­ent.

“What I think Fen­wick needs to do at this point in time is to bring in fresh blood in the team and do away with some of the old play­ers. He will al­so need to en­sure that he gets the for­eign-based play­ers to toe the line, which will en­cour­age the oth­ers to fol­low,” Mul­raine said.

He de­scribed Fen­wick as a very good coach de­fen­sive­ly, who likes to have pace in his at­tack.

“For many years, our prob­lem has been our de­fence. We have been mak­ing many blun­ders in the de­fence, caus­ing us to con­cede a lot of soft goals, so I be­lieve Fen­wick should do well in that area,” he said.

Fen­wick, who was over­looked back in 2016 for the top coach­ing job as the TTFA went with Lawrence, was this time cho­sen ahead of a num­ber of top in­ter­na­tion­al coach­es, in­clud­ing Eng­land’s Si­mon Mc Men­e­my, Stephen Con­stan­tine and Pe­ter Tay­lor, by the new TTFA Tech­ni­cal Com­mit­tee head­ed by Kei­th Look Loy.

Mean­while, for­mer North East Stars, FC San­ta Rosa and na­tion­al coach Derek King, who now plies his trade with Cana­di­an Pre­mier League club Hal­i­fax Wan­der­ers, along­side an­oth­er for­mer T&T coach Stephen Hart, was yes­ter­day named as Fen­wick’s as­sis­tant. It is un­der­stood King was ac­tu­al­ly cho­sen by Fen­wick and the TTFA board will have to rat­i­fy his se­lec­tion at its next meet­ing in ear­ly Jan­u­ary.

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Re: Terry Fenwick Thread.
« Reply #932 on: December 21, 2019, 11:14:54 AM »
Hope TTFA also consult with Local clubs and the school league about about upping the quality of the local game especially as it relates to intensity of play....our very slow play and lack of aggression\urgency across the board does not prepare our players for whats on the outside.....It's very difficult for ah man who accustom to jugging\standing around to be asked to sprinting\moving around constantly when he not being asked to do dat with his club, Hart faced dat when he was forced to use mostly pro league players. There has to be a collective effort to raise standards\speed of play nationwide.
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Re: Terry Fenwick Thread.
« Reply #933 on: December 21, 2019, 01:43:03 PM »
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The best thing that has happened to TT football but it took too long for DL to realize he wasn't up to the job,had he stayed another season or 2 we may well be down with the likes of Burma and Bangladesh.DL was only taking us down and down,the English Trini could not do worse in fact I expect better and a climb back to where we belong,the second best team or the best team in the Caribbean.
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Re: Terry Fenwick Thread.
« Reply #934 on: December 21, 2019, 02:09:58 PM »
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The best thing that has happened to TT football but it took too long for DL to realize he wasn't up to the job,had he stayed another season or 2 we may well be down with the likes of Burma and Bangladesh.DL was only taking us down and down,the English Trini could not do worse in fact I expect better and a climb back to where we belong,the second best team or the best team in the Caribbean.
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Yuh can't invent facts mate..."facts are facts",yuh mussy hear that saying before,if yuh haven't,yuh hear it now. ;D ;D ;D
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As far as I'm aware, DL never said he wasn't up to the task ... unless you had a private conversation with him.
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Re: Terry Fenwick Thread.
« Reply #935 on: December 21, 2019, 02:32:09 PM »
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Nobody needed a private conversation with DL to know he wasn't up to it ,his results told us and he resigned knowing clearly he wasn't up to the job.It is fair to assume that he wasn't up to it.You are "splitting hairs"
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Re: Terry Fenwick Thread.
« Reply #936 on: December 21, 2019, 03:45:46 PM »
He didn't resign though  ???
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Re: Terry Fenwick Thread.
« Reply #937 on: December 21, 2019, 03:51:24 PM »
He didn't resign though  ???

Alternative facts, nah.
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Re: Terry Fenwick Thread.
« Reply #938 on: December 22, 2019, 04:03:52 AM »
Jones believes Fenwick can do T&T job.
By Walter Alibey (Guardian).


For­mer So­ca War­riors cap­tain Ken­wyne Jones says the ap­point­ment of Ter­ry Fen­wick at the helm of the cur­rent strug­gling team was need­ed and it did not come as a sur­prise due to the items in the Unit­ed T&T Foot­ball As­so­ci­a­tion’s man­i­festo.

“For T&T foot­ball, it is good to have some sta­bil­i­ty at the head. The things they have out­lined for the fu­ture, in terms of the train­ing camps and what not, hope­ful­ly, that is some­thing that will be so­lid­i­fied, the in­vest­ment that is nec­es­sary, the struc­ture that is nec­es­sary and maybe the fu­ture of T&T foot­ball will be in good hands,” Jones ex­plained.

Jones be­lieves Fen­wick, who was ap­point­ed to re­place the sacked Den­nis Lawrence ear­li­er this week, will bring with him his pro­fes­sion­al­ism and ex­pe­ri­ence.

“We need to change the cul­ture of the tour­na­ment mind­set and we need to start hav­ing that con­tin­u­ous pro­gramme, con­tin­u­ous plan­ning, not on­ly for the na­tion­al teams but al­so the club pro­gramme, acad­e­my pro­gramme, the school pro­gramme, every­thing needs to change at this point, where we start think­ing about long term and not short term.”

How­ev­er, Jones does not feel Fen­wick will have it all easy at the start. Not­ing, the UK coach has been very crit­i­cal of oth­ers coach­es over the last decade, Jones said, “He (Fen­wick) would have a lot of con­vinc­ing to do be­cause he’s been here for quite a while and has been on the oth­er side of the fence. He did a lot of crit­i­cis­ing of teams, play­ers and coach­es but now it’s his turn to man­age. So he’ll have to con­vince peo­ple and win them over.”

For­mer na­tion­al mid­field­er, now coach Travis Mul­raine al­so be­lieves Fen­wick’s se­lec­tion was a good one. How­ev­er, he says he will stay away from mak­ing any pre­dic­tions, say­ing we will see what will hap­pen in time to come.

Mul­raine, a for­mer Matu­ra Re­Unit­ed and Guaya Unit­ed coach who played un­der Fen­wick at San Juan Jabloteh in the T&T Pro League, said Fen­wick is def­i­nite­ly de­serv­ing of a chance, hav­ing won ti­tles with Jabloteh, Cen­tral FC and be­ing ex­cel­lent at un­earthing and de­vel­op­ing new tal­ent.

“What I think Fen­wick needs to do at this point in time is to bring in fresh blood in the team and do away with some of the old play­ers. He will al­so need to en­sure that he gets the for­eign-based play­ers to toe the line, which will en­cour­age the oth­ers to fol­low,” Mul­raine said.

He de­scribed Fen­wick as a very good coach de­fen­sive­ly, who likes to have pace in his at­tack.

“For many years, our prob­lem has been our de­fence. We have been mak­ing many blun­ders in the de­fence, caus­ing us to con­cede a lot of soft goals, so I be­lieve Fen­wick should do well in that area,” he said.

Fen­wick, who was over­looked back in 2016 for the top coach­ing job as the TTFA went with Lawrence, was this time cho­sen ahead of a num­ber of top in­ter­na­tion­al coach­es, in­clud­ing Eng­land’s Si­mon Mc Men­e­my, Stephen Con­stan­tine and Pe­ter Tay­lor, by the new TTFA Tech­ni­cal Com­mit­tee head­ed by Kei­th Look Loy.

Mean­while, for­mer North East Stars, FC San­ta Rosa and na­tion­al coach Derek King, who now plies his trade with Cana­di­an Pre­mier League club Hal­i­fax Wan­der­ers, along­side an­oth­er for­mer T&T coach Stephen Hart, was yes­ter­day named as Fen­wick’s as­sis­tant. It is un­der­stood King was ac­tu­al­ly cho­sen by Fen­wick and the TTFA board will have to rat­i­fy his se­lec­tion at its next meet­ing in ear­ly Jan­u­ary.



McMenemy - hell no

Constantine - nope

Peter Taylor - interesting but still skeptical

Fenwick would still have been my choice

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Re: Terry Fenwick Thread.
« Reply #939 on: December 22, 2019, 03:28:10 PM »
Constantine was the only interesting one for me - he did a job at India.

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« Reply #940 on: December 23, 2019, 05:45:47 AM »
Constantine was the only interesting one for me - he did a job at India.

He improved their ranking but wasn’t that his second time and he failed with other African teams? Plus he never took them to the World Cup..

I think the only thing he did was improve their ranking...

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« Reply #941 on: December 24, 2019, 07:11:28 AM »
Yup. Interesting, but Fenwick definitely the best option for me.

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« Reply #942 on: December 24, 2019, 04:32:38 PM »
He didn't resign though  ???

Alternative facts, nah.

"Alternative facts" don't change anything,he is out and was no bloody good.

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« Reply #943 on: December 25, 2019, 03:06:18 AM »
Its sad to see a country like Trinidad that has a Latin culture always hiring a bunch of English coach's I guess they will never get it right.

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« Reply #944 on: December 25, 2019, 07:37:11 AM »
Its sad to see a country like Trinidad that has a Latin culture always hiring a bunch of English coach's I guess they will never get it right.

Fenwick is ah Trini.
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« Reply #945 on: December 25, 2019, 07:40:18 AM »
Its sad to see a country like Trinidad that has a Latin culture always hiring a bunch of English coach's I guess they will never get it right.
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« Reply #946 on: December 25, 2019, 08:03:32 AM »
Its sad to see a country like Trinidad that has a Latin culture always hiring a bunch of English coach's I guess they will never get it right.
He came, he conquered all... He earned it!!
Its sad to see a country like Trinidad that has a Latin culture always hiring a bunch of English coach's I guess they will never get it right.
He came, he conquered all... He earned it!!

Ffsback, while some aspects of our culture have survived, we are anglophile to the core.  How many of us go to SA to work and study. Very few. How often TT does play Ven.? 10 times? I am not sure, but not very often. This may change with the influx of Ven. Spanish and French should be compulsory again in high school.  As a matter of fact, it should start in primary school.
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« Reply #947 on: December 25, 2019, 10:06:29 AM »
this trinidad is Latin bullshit.........we went world cup under pragmatism and direct play....and people still tooting this fantasy......steups
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« Reply #948 on: December 25, 2019, 10:37:19 AM »
this trinidad is Latin bullshit.........we went world cup under pragmatism and direct play....and people still tooting this fantasy......steups

That does not render pragmatism and direct play a permanent or exclusive recipe. Pragmatism should always have a role and direct play is a useful expedient, but we need to become comfortable with, and steeped in, the subtleties of the game.
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« Reply #949 on: December 25, 2019, 10:46:53 AM »
this trinidad is Latin bullshit.........we went world cup under pragmatism and direct play....and people still tooting this fantasy......steups

That does not render pragmatism and direct play a permanent or exclusive recipe. Pragmatism should always have a role and direct play is a useful expedient, but we need to become comfortable with, and steeped in, the subtleties of the game.

that's not my point, I feel we overestimate our powers based on a generation of players that have now left us and affinity for a style of play that for the time being has gone beyond us, if we get touch, passing, movement and ball progression down again we can move on, til then start simple and no I not advocating long ball, more like fast build up play, similar to what d U.S does beat we ass consistently with and then after we solid, add yuh Latin seasonings and taste makers and ting :D
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« Reply #950 on: December 25, 2019, 11:30:28 AM »
Latin seasoning  :rotfl:
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« Reply #951 on: December 25, 2019, 12:14:13 PM »
Its sad to see a country like Trinidad that has a Latin culture always hiring a bunch of English coach's I guess they will never get it right.
I agree with you to some extent here but affordability was a hey factor. My main thing is what is his style of play/philosophy, hopefully it's not the typical English brand from the 80's & 90's.

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« Reply #952 on: December 25, 2019, 12:52:07 PM »
Latin seasoning  :rotfl:
:D I jus find we should do d basics well, then do d basics fast and strong, and then mold ah philosophy, we have man on d NT dat still can't pass or receive ah ball under pressure....basics first
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« Reply #953 on: December 25, 2019, 01:35:57 PM »
Sense, in the spirit of Xmas with stuff on de pot de seasoning reference had meh cracking up
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« Reply #954 on: December 25, 2019, 02:35:23 PM »
To extend de food and Xmas metaphor (with a dash ah Sizzla), what I'm suggesting is: yuh cyah plant corn if yuh want to grow peas. Seasoning is for us an ingredient not a condiment.
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« Reply #955 on: December 25, 2019, 03:21:57 PM »
I wonder if anyone has stopped to notice that Latin American teams in concacaf struggle against us and jamaica? the only Latin team in concacaf who runs rings over us is honduras, and that’s because they have big strong tall players like us who match us with speed and physicality.

the Mexicans would rather face any central american team than TT or jamaica, not that we beat them often or dominate them, but they struggle against us, and that’s because we play more of an english brand that the Latin players struggle against. in all honesty European football is a solid brand (contrary to popular opinion) and we in trinidad should adapt ourselves to that brand and learn it well.

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« Reply #956 on: December 25, 2019, 04:44:50 PM »
I wonder if anyone has stopped to notice that Latin American teams in concacaf struggle against us and jamaica? the only Latin team in concacaf who runs rings over us is honduras, and that’s because they have big strong tall players like us who match us with speed and physicality.

Like you forget about Costa Rica?
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« Reply #957 on: December 25, 2019, 05:36:32 PM »
To extend de food and Xmas metaphor (with a dash ah Sizzla), what I'm suggesting is: yuh cyah plant corn if yuh want to grow peas. Seasoning is for us an ingredient not a condiment.
I understand where yuh coming from yuh know, I jus mean build around what we have, focus it better, and incorporate what we want to have slowly with ah proper map of how to get there, right now d soil real poor for peas, but if corn could help yuh eat until then well ;)............ 
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« Reply #958 on: December 26, 2019, 12:41:38 AM »
I wonder if anyone has stopped to notice that Latin American teams in concacaf struggle against us and jamaica? the only Latin team in concacaf who runs rings over us is honduras, and that’s because they have big strong tall players like us who match us with speed and physicality.

Like you forget about Costa Rica?
we struggle with Costa Rica the same as we struggle with mexico and El Salvador, but these teams don’t demolish us like honduras. for some reason honduras has our number and we match up poorly against them.

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« Reply #959 on: December 26, 2019, 07:50:15 AM »
I wonder if anyone has stopped to notice that Latin American teams in concacaf struggle against us and jamaica? the only Latin team in concacaf who runs rings over us is honduras, and that’s because they have big strong tall players like us who match us with speed and physicality.

Like you forget about Costa Rica?
we struggle with Costa Rica the same as we struggle with mexico and El Salvador, but these teams don’t demolish us like honduras. for some reason honduras has our number and we match up poorly against them.

Actually, we have a worse record against Costa Rica
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