Island disappears..global Warming .....Global Warning!

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Disappearing world: Global warming claims tropical island
For the first time, an inhabited island has disappeared beneath rising seas. Environment Editor Geoffrey Lean reports
Published: 24 December 2006
Rising seas, caused by global warming, have for the first time washed an inhabited island off the face of the Earth. The obliteration of Lohachara island, in India's part of the Sundarbans where the Ganges and the Brahmaputra rivers empty into the Bay of Bengal, marks the moment when one of the most apocalyptic predictions of environmentalists and climate scientists has started coming true.

As the seas continue to swell, they will swallow whole island nations, from the Maldives to the Marshall Islands, inundate vast areas of countries from Bangladesh to Egypt, and submerge parts of scores of coastal cities.

Eight years ago, as exclusively reported in The Independent on Sunday, the first uninhabited islands - in the Pacific atoll nation of Kiribati - vanished beneath the waves. The people of low-lying islands in Vanuatu, also in the Pacific, have been evacuated as a precaution, but the land still juts above the sea. The disappearance of Lohachara, once home to 10,000 people, is unprecedented.

It has been officially recorded in a six-year study of the Sunderbans by researchers at Calcutta's Jadavpur University. So remote is the island that the researchers first learned of its submergence, and that of an uninhabited neighbouring island, Suparibhanga, when they saw they had vanished from satellite pictures.

Two-thirds of nearby populated island Ghoramara has also been permanently inundated. Dr Sugata Hazra, director of the university's School of Oceanographic Studies, says "it is only a matter of some years" before it is swallowed up too. Dr Hazra says there are now a dozen "vanishing islands" in India's part of the delta. The area's 400 tigers are also in danger.

Until now the Carteret Islands off Papua New Guinea were expected to be the first populated ones to disappear, in about eight years' time, but Lohachara has beaten them to the dubious distinction.

Human cost of global warming: Rising seas will soon make 70,000 people homeless

Refugees from the vanished Lohachara island and the disappearing Ghoramara island have fled to Sagar, but this island has already lost 7,500 acres of land to the sea. In all, a dozen islands, home to 70,000 people, are in danger of being submerged by the rising seas.

[zuluwarrior]

yu eh hear dat trini would be going under water in the nex 98 years, wen ah hear bout dat was 05 ah tink . dis trini scientis woking in canada , planted a stake on land near the sea in mayaro some years ago ,wen he came back years later the stake was almost coverd and under water . dat is wat bring im to dis conclusion ,i dont no ,ah jus saying after he , did yu or anybody heard about that .

[Trini Madness]

yu eh hear dat trini would be going under water in the nex 98 years, wen ah hear bout dat was 05 ah tink . dis trini scientis woking in canada , planted a stake on land near the sea in mayaro some years ago ,wen he came back years later the stake was almost coverd and under water . dat is wat bring im to dis conclusion ,i dont no ,ah jus saying after he , did yu or anybody heard about that .

yea i remember a few years ago they showed a documentary on tv about that

[zuluwarrior]

so wah the man is sayin is that the sea is reclamin its land . is it due to global warming ....warning for real .ah dont know if ah mixing dis up wid som other country , a high wave came in and residents was scamparing . ah not to shure if this happen in trini recently . correct me if i am rong .

[ricky]

its -45 flickin degrees here where i am today
please start up allyuh cars and drive around a bit so i could warm up abit 

[truetrini]

fella, yuh joking right?

[Dr. Rat]

Use some warm Vicks instead of soap

[Dutty]

ay boy keep dem kinda wickedness out west oui

-45?,, without block heater cars does even start in that kinda weather?

[ricky]

ay boy keep dem kinda wickedness out west oui

-45?,, without block heater cars does even start in that kinda weather?

no sah...even hard with d heater
some ppl does keep dey car runnin 24/7 (on the work site, where i am now)
free fuel nah 
RAPE D PLANET 

[just cool]

GOD bless all who want to live in that freezer thay call canada yes. give me a free house , land and all expense paid and they could still keep it. 45 below!!!! not in my wildest dreams.

[truetrini]

States suing EPA over global warming
By JAY LINDSAY, Associated Press Writer Wed Apr 2, 7:05 PM ET
BOSTON - Officials of 18 states are taking the EPA back to court to try to force it to comply with a Supreme Court ruling that rebuked the Bush administration for inaction on global warming.

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In a petition filed Wednesday, the plaintiffs said the 5-4 ruling in April 2007 required the Environmental Protection Agency to decide whether to regulate greenhouse gas emissions, including carbon dioxide, from motor vehicles.

The EPA has instead done nothing, they said.

"The EPA's failure to act in the face of these incontestable dangers is a shameful dereliction of duty," Massachusetts Attorney General Martha Coakley said.

The petition asks the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit to require the EPA to act within 60 days.

In last year's decision, the Supreme Court ruled the EPA has the authority to regulate emissions from new cars and trucks under the Clean Air Act, and said the reasons the EPA gave for declining to do so were insufficient.

EPA spokesman Jonathan Shradar said the Supreme Court required the agency to evaluate how it would regulate greenhouse gas emissions from cars and other vehicles but set no deadline.

The EPA plans to include the evaluation in a broader look at how to best regulate all greenhouse gas emissions, not just those from vehicles, he said. Otherwise, a mash of laws and regulations could emerge rather than the "holistic" approach the administration favors.

"We want to set a good foundation to build a strong climate policy of potential regulation and laws we can work toward and actually see some success," Shradar said.

At a press conference Wednesday, David Brookbinder of the Sierra Club, one of 11 environmental groups involved in the suit, said the EPA has been talking about a "holistic" approach to climate change for years.

"In fact, they have done absolutely nothing except stand in the way of everybody's else's efforts," he said.

Last week's announcement by the EPA of the formal rule-making procedure signaled the agency wanted to put greenhouse gas regulation "on indefinite hold," said Jim Milkey, chief of environmental protection at Coakley's office, who argued the case before the Supreme Court.

"Every day that goes by without a solution, the window of opportunity to fix the problem closes a bit more," he said.

California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger said the EPA "has failed to lead, it has failed to follow the states' lead and we are prepared to force it out of the way in order to protect the environment."

The plaintiffs in the latest court action include Coakley and attorneys general from Arizona, California, Connecticut, Delaware, Illinois, Iowa, Maine, Maryland, Minnesota, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, Oregon, Rhode Island, Vermont, Washington and the District of Columbia, plus representatives of the Pennsylvania Department of Environmental Protection and the cities of New York and Baltimore, and several environmental organizations.

The plaintiffs contend the EPA has already completed the work needed to start regulating carbon dioxide.

The Supreme Court ruling requires the agency to regulate carbon dioxide if it determines it's a danger to public health and welfare. Senior EPA employees have told House investigators about a tentative finding from early December that carbon dioxide posed a danger because of its impact on climate.

They also said a draft regulation had been circulated internally, then abandoned. EPA administrator Stephen Johnson has said the issue had to be re-examined because of tougher automobile mileage requirements enacted in December.

The plaintiffs want the finding about the dangers of carbon dioxide released within 60 days so the process for regulating vehicle emissions can begin. They said final rules wouldn't be ready until the next administration takes over.

In Washington, the House Select Committee on Energy Independence and Global Warming voted 12-0 Wednesday to issue a subpoena for all drafts of EPA documents on the issue.

"EPA has made no effort to accommodate the committee's request," said Rep. Edward Markey, D-Mass., the committee's chairman.

Shradar declined to say whether the agency would produce the documents the subpoena will request. "We will review this new petition and respond appropriately," he said.

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Associated Press writer H. Josef Hebert in Washington contributed to this report.

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JEAN-PAUL PELISSIER / REUTERS January 8, 2009

Deadly cold, heavy snow grip Europe

RECORD LOWS Seven people freeze to death in Poland

PARIS • Seven people froze to death in Poland on the coldest night of the winter so far and heavy snow forced normally sunny Marseille to close its international airport as Arctic weather gripped much of Europe yesterday.

The usually sunny Mediterranean port city of Marseille ground to a halt as snow stopped traffic yesterday.

Polish police said the latest victims included a 68-year old homeless man found in an abandoned house and a 51year-old man who lived alone and died a few steps away from his home.

Temperatures in Poland dropped as low as -25C. According to Interior Ministry data, hypothermia has been blamed for 76 deaths in the country since November, 2008.

Port authorities in the Dutch city of Rotterdam deployed an icebreaking ship for the first time 12 years, while British forecasters issued a new severe weather warning.

The fountains in London’s Trafalgar Square were full of ice, and water froze along a one-kilometre stretch of shore at Poole, southern England.

In the Balkans, thousands shivered in their homes after gas supplies to southeastern Europe were cut as a result of a contract dispute between Russia and Ukraine, reminding many of the freezing winters they endured in the wars of the 1990s.

“It all reminds me of the war when we were freezing, except there is no shooting,” said Hilmo Celjo, who was lining up near the Bosnian capital, Sarajevo, to buy wood and coal.

Bulgarians were also cold and angry, reviving memories of the communist-era power shortages. The country relies on Russian gas for almost all its heating.

“The radiators are barely warm at all, there’s no hot water. I’m having to warm up water in a pan to bathe the baby,” said Martina Tocheva as she pushed a stroller through a snow-covered park in the Bulgarian capital Sofia.

“We are living in the 21st century, aren’t we?”

Other residents were putting on a brave face.

“Let’s look on the bright side: Heating and electricity rationing will bring families into the same room and unite them around the single candle. We might even see a rise in the birthrate,” joked one blogger.

Temperatures sank to record lows in parts of Germany overnight. A weather station near Dresden in the eastern state of Saxony said the coldest spot was -27.7C.

Thick snow has covered much of the country and icebreakers were at work on several waterways, including the River Elbe in eastern Germany.

“I’m wearing all my warmest clothes, I’ve got two pairs of socks on. Otherwise drinking hot cocoa helps. We’ve just been sitting in McDonald’s,” said Florian Densing, who lives in Cologne.

In France, temperatures dropped as low as -16C yesterday in the Ardennes region northeast of Paris, while 40 centimetres of snow fell in the Marseille region in just a few hours.

Authorities blocked access to nearby expresssways and 1,000 motorists were stuck in their cars awaiting rescue services.

Marseille’s main St. Charles train station was paralysed as signalling froze. School buses were cancelled in the entire Bouches du Rhône area, where Marseille is located.

Heavy snow has forced the closing of the mountainous French-Italian border since Tuesday night.

In Albania, remote areas were blocked by heavy snow and isolated villages were being supplied with food by helicopters.

A religious ceremony in which believers plunge into an icy river to retrieve a holy cross was cancelled because of the cold. A hunter killed two wolves that had ventured near the northern Albanian town of Kukes.

The cold weather has also allowed the Dutch to participate in a national skating marathon for the first time since 1996 on the Oostervaardseplassen tidal area, near Amsterdam, but penguins in a zoo were moved indoors.

Officials at Burger’s Zoo in Arnhem said the blackfoot penguins come from South Africa and are not used to such low temperatures.

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Lies and trick photography by abc.

[pecan]

Lies and trick photography by abc.

it damn cold in Hamilton too!    

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Arctic sea ice thinnest ever going into spring
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By SETH BORENSTEIN, AP Science Writer Seth Borenstein, Ap Science Writer – Mon Apr 6, 4:19 pm ET

WASHINGTON – The Arctic is treading on thinner ice than ever before. Researchers say that as spring begins, more than 90 percent of the sea ice in the Arctic is only 1 or 2 years old. That makes it thinner and more vulnerable than at anytime in the past three decades, according to researchers with NASA and the National Snow and Ice Data Center in Colorado.

"We're not set up well for summertime," ice data center scientist Walt Meier said Monday. "We're in a very precarious situation."

Young sea ice in the Arctic often melts in the spring and summer. If it survives for two years, then it becomes the type of thick sea ice that is key. But the past two years were warm, and there's more young, thin ice at the top of the world.

In normal winters, thick sea ice — often about 10 feet thick or more — extends from the northern boundaries of Greenland and Canada almost to Russia. This year, the thick ice cap barely penetrates the bull's-eye of the Arctic Circle.

The amount of thick sea ice hit a record wintertime low of just 378,000 square miles this year, down 43 percent from last year, Meier said. The amount of older sea ice that was lost is larger than the state of Texas.

"That thick ice really traps ocean heat; it keeps the planet in its current state of balance," said Waleed Abdalati, director of the Center for the Study of Earth from Space at the University of Colorado and NASA's former chief ice scientist. "When we start to diminish that, the state of balance is likely to change, tip one way or another."

Sea ice is important because it reflects sunlight away from Earth. The more it melts, the more heat is absorbed by the ocean, heating up the planet even more, said NASA polar regions program manager Tom Wagner. That warming also can change weather patterns worldwide and it alters the ecosystems for animals such as polar bears.

The Arctic essentially acts as a refrigerator for the rest of the globe. And the amount of sea covered by ice — thick or thin — has been shrinking at a rate of about 3 percent a decade in the Arctic.

This year, the maximum ice cover of 5.85 million square miles — reached on Feb. 28 — was higher than four of the previous five years. But it was still the fifth lowest since record-keeping began in 1979.

Usually, younger, thin ice accounts for about 70 percent of the ice cover. This year it reached 90 percent, Meier said.

And the problems of global warming caused melt is being seen at the other pole, too.

The U.S. Geological Survey last week released a detailed map of the Antarctic coastline and found dwindling and even disappearing ice shelves.

The map itself was finished in the middle of last year, but the previous Interior Department didn't want to release it and other Antarctic maps, said map co-author Richard Williams Jr., a glaciologist for the USGS. The report with the map bears the 2008 date and the previous interior secretary's name on it.

The map shows found for the first time that an entire ice shelf — the Wordie ice shelf on the western end of the Antarctic peninsula_ has essentially disappeared. In 1966, it was 772 square miles. In addition, about 4,500 square miles of the Larsen ice shelf is gone.

"The map portrays one of the most rapidly changing areas on Earth, and the changes in the map are widely regarded as among the most profound, unambiguous examples of the effects of global warming on Earth," the USGS report concludes.

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April 6, 2009
Arctic sea ice younger, thinner as melt season begins


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Arctic sea ice extent has begun its seasonal decline towards the September minimum. Ice extent through the winter was similar to that of recent years, but lower than the 1979 to 2000 average. More importantly, the melt season has begun with a substantial amount of thin first-year ice, which is vulnerable to summer melt.

 
map from space showing sea ice extent, continents Figure 1. Arctic sea ice extent for March, 2009, was 15.16 million square kilometers (5.85 million square miles). The magenta line shows the 1979 to 2000 median extent for that month. The black cross indicates the geographic North Pole. Sea Ice Index data. About the data.
—Credit: National Snow and Ice Data Center

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Overview of conditions

Sea ice extent averaged over the month of March 2009 was 15.16 million square kilometers (5.85 million square miles). This was 730,000 square kilometers (282,000 square miles) above the record low of 2006, but 590,000 square kilometers (228,000 square miles) below the 1979 to 2000 average.

graph with months on x axis and extent on y axis Figure 2. The graph above shows daily sea ice extent. The solid blue line indicates 2008 to 2009; the dashed green line shows 2006 to 2007 (the record-low summer minimum occurred in 2007); and the solid gray line indicates average extent from 1979 to 2000. Sea Ice Index data.
—Credit: National Snow and Ice Data Center

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Conditions in context

At the end of last summer's melt season, extensive areas of open water froze up quickly, once air temperatures cooled in the fall. By February 28, ice extent had reached its annual maximum. Although the maximum ice extent occurred slightly earlier than usual, ice extent remained close to the maximum level through much of March.

 
graph with March average ice extents 1979-2009 Figure 3. Monthly March ice extent for 1979 to 2009 shows a decline of 2.7% per decade.
—Credit: National Snow and Ice Data Center

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March 2009 compared to past Marches

Including March 2009, the past six years have all had ice extent substantially lower than normal. The linear trend indicates that for the month of March, ice extent is declining by 2.7% per decade, an average of 43,000 square kilometers (16,000 square miles) of ice per year.
map with air temp anomalies in colors Figure 4. The map of air temperature anomalies for winter 2008 to 2009 at the 925 millibar level (roughly 1,000 meters [3,000 feet] above the surface) shows warmer-than-usual conditions over much of the Arctic Ocean. Areas in orange and red correspond to strong positive (warm) anomalies. Areas in blue correspond to negative (cool) anomalies.
—Credit: National Snow and Ice Data Center courtesy NOAA/ESRL Physical Sciences Laboratory

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Arctic winter warmer than average

Overall, it was a fairly warm winter in the Arctic. Air temperatures over the Arctic Ocean were an average of 1 to 2 degrees Celsius (1.8 to 3.6 degrees Fahrenheit) above normal, with notable regional variations. The Barents Sea region was over 4 degrees Celsius (7.2 degrees Fahrenheit) warmer than average this winter. This warmth probably stemmed from unusually low sea ice extent in the region throughout much of the winter, which allowed the ocean to pump heat into the atmosphere. The Bering Sea, in contrast, experienced a cool winter, with temperatures 1 to 2 degrees Celsius (1.8 to 3.6 degrees Fahrenheit) below average. The cooler conditions were consistent with the above-average sea ice extent in the Bering Sea through much of the winter.
maps with sea ice age, average 1981-2000 compared to 2009 march Figure 5. These images show declining sea ice age, which indicates a thinning Arctic sea ice cover more vulnerable to melting in summer. Ice older than two years now accounts for less than 10% of the ice cover.
—Credit: From the National Snow and Ice Data Center, courtesy J. Maslanik and C. Fowler, University of Colorado

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Sea ice young and thin as melt season begins

How vulnerable is the ice cover as we go into the summer melt season? To answer this question, scientists also need information about ice thickness. Indications of winter ice thickness, commonly derived from ice age estimates, reveal that the ice is thinner than average, suggesting that it is more susceptible to melting away during the coming summer.

As the melt season begins, the Arctic Ocean is covered mostly by first-year ice, which formed this winter, and second-year ice, which formed during the winter of 2007 to 2008. First-year ice in particular is thinner and more prone to melting away than thicker, older, multi-year ice. This year, ice older than two years accounted for less than 10% of the ice cover at the end of February. From 1981 through 2000, such older ice made up an average of 30% of the total sea ice cover at this time of the year.

While ice older than two years reached record lows, the fraction of second-year sea ice increased compared to last winter. Some of this second-year ice will survive the summer melt season to replenish the Arctic's store of older ice; however, in recent years less young ice has made it through the summer. To restore the amount of older ice to pre-2000 levels, large amounts of this young ice would need to endure through summer for several years in a row.

But conditions may not always favor the survival of second-year and older ice. Each winter, winds and ocean currents move some sea ice out of the Arctic ocean. This winter, some second-year ice survived the 2008 melt season only to be pushed out of the Arctic by strong winter winds. Based on sea ice age data from Jim Maslanik and Chuck Fowler at the University of Colorado, since the end of September 2008, 390,000 square kilometers (150,000 square miles) of second-year ice and 190,000 square kilometers (73,000 square miles) of older (more than two years old) ice moved out of the Arctic. View animation (1.1 MB).

 

References:

Maslanik J. A., C. Fowler, J. Stroeve, S. Drobot, J. Zwally, D. Yi, W. Emery. 2007. A younger, thinner Arctic ice cover: Increased potential for rapid, extensive sea-ice loss. Geophysical Research Letters, 34, L24501, doi:10.1029/2007GL032043.

Fowler, C., W. J. Emery, and J. Maslanik. 2004. Satellite-derived evolution of Arctic sea ice age: October 1978 to March 2003. IEEE Geosci. Remote Sensing Letters, 1(2), 71–74, doi:10.1109/LGRS.2004.824741.

 

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[Bakes]

An Inconvenient Truth....


People have to see this film.  The Naysayers will try to dismiss the film, just as they've been trying (with some success) to dismiss the evidence of Global Warming... but nothing like hard data and pictures to prove it.  All people need to do is take a look at Lake Chad and Mt. Kilimanjaro and then try and argue that global warming doesn't exist.

[truetrini]

An Inconvenient Truth....


People have to see this film.  The Naysayers will try to dismiss the film, just as they've been trying (with some success) to dismiss the evidence of Global Warming... but nothing like hard data and pictures to prove it.  All people need to do is take a look at Lake Chad and Mt. Kilimanjaro and then try and argue that global warming doesn't exist.

a few trinis based in Canada deny it

[Bitter]

I think by now, most naysayers would agree that global warming (Global climate change) exists. Those who disagree are either on the fringe or looking to score cheap political points by making frivolous comments about local climate conditions (it snowed in May! What Global warming?).

Where I think the real debate occurs, is over the following questions:

• Is this man made global climate change.
• Should make any attempt to change it (considering the economic impact).
• Could we change it even if we wanted to.

[ribbit]

maybe allyuh could tell me ... this go stop global warming?

[Bitter]

Most problems in this world can be solved with a tight fro.

[Bakes]

I think by now, most naysayers would agree that global warming (Global climate change) exists. Those who disagree are either on the fringe or looking to score cheap political points by making frivolous comments about local climate conditions (it snowed in May! What Global warming?).

Where I think the real debate occurs, is over the following questions:

• Is this man made global climate change.
• Should make any attempt to change it (considering the economic impact).
• Could we change it even if we wanted to.

Bitter... much of it is either sped up or in some other way exacerbated by Carbon emissions... so yes, it's largely a man-made problem.

Should we attempt to change it?  Considering the considerable financial and environmental costs should we NOT change it, it's really a no-brainer.  That's like debating getting a life-saving, albeit expensive surgery.

Can we change it?  Yes we can by doing several things:

Recycling
Pursuing alternative fuels
Energy Conservation
Reducing our individual carbon footprints
Reducing Carbon emissions
Reducing non-carbon emissions of other greenhouse gases
Increasing awareness among friends and family etc.


... just for starters.

[Controversial]

several studies have been conducted and the media is ignoring one fact, the sun is getting hotter, which is part of the reason we are experiencing these temperature changes.

[truetrini]

several studies have been conducted and the media is ignoring one fact, the sun is getting hotter, which is part of the reason we are experiencing these temperature changes.

Study says sun getting hotter

WASHINGTON (AP) - The sun is getting hotter, adding heat to an Earth already thought to be warming from greenhouse gases.

Solar radiation reaching the Earth is 0.036 percent warmer than it was in 1986, when the current solar cycle was beginning, a researcher reports in a study to be published Friday in the journal Science. The finding is based on an analysis of satellites that measure the temperature of sunlight.

The increase is only a small fraction of the total heat from the sun, but in a century it would be enough to seriously aggravate problems of global warming thought to be caused by greenhouse gases, says Richard C. Willson of Columbia University's Center for Climate Systems Research.

Willson said that most researchers expect greenhouse gases to warm the planet by 3.6 degrees Fahrenheit in the next 100 years. Solar irradiance could add another 0.72 degrees F and ''that is not an insignificant number. It is smaller than the greenhouse effect, but it is not trivial,'' he said.

''This is a significant increase,'' said John Firor of the National Center for Atmospheric Research in Boulder, Colo. ''It would increase the rate at which we go into warming.''

Firor said that based on the current estimate of how greenhouse gases will warm the planet over the next century, the solar heat increase found by Willson would boost that warming trend by about 20 percent.

Although studies show that the Earth has warmed about one degree in the last century and the trend continues, there is a division among scientists about what is causing it. Some believe it is a natural cycle for the planet, unrelated to humans. Others blame the warming on an increase in the atmosphere of greenhouse gases, mostly carbon dioxide from the burning of oil, gas, coal and wood.

At an international meeting in Japan in three months, the United States and other nations will debate the need to reduce the burning of fuels in order to slow global warming.

[Bitter]

BNS, I wasn't expressing a view, merely pointing out what's being debated these days.
It's not quite a flat-earth, round earth argument where one side can present quantitative evidence.

Climate science is much more elusive than that.

The Final Proof: Global Warming is a Man-Made Disaster
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/0219-01.htm

CNN Meteorologist: Manmade Global Warming Theory 'Arrogant'
http://www.businessandmedia.org/articles/2008/20081218205953.aspx

Global Warming Is Man-Made; Antarctic Ice Bubbles Tell the Tale
http://www.treehugger.com/files/2008/04/global-warming-manmade.php

Global Warming: Man-Made or Natural?
http://www.buckeyeinstitute.org/article/1078

Not the best sources, but certainly diverse enough to cause confusion.

While, to me, there is no doubt that an effort to live in a more ecologically harmonious manner will have measurable benefits to the quality of life on this planet, the jury isn't in on what other effects we can have.
Eliminate CFCs and stop the growth of the Ozone Hole? Sure
Stop burning coal and cool the planet? Maybe
Stop using DDT as a pesticide? Yep!
Don't dump your computer batteries in the trash: Not so much.


How many factories does 1 volcanic eruption equal?
Are cow farts a bigger problem than car exhaust?
Does solar irradiance trump electric cars?

[truetrini]

those denying Global warming are akin to those who deny the holocaust and the evils of the African slave trade...head in the clouds, or buried in the sand!

Some will faster believe that they will miraculously sprout wings after death and live forever in some shangri-la in the heavens., than they will hard scientific evidence.

[pecan]

those denying Global warming are akin to those who deny the holocaust and the evils of the African slave trade...head in the clouds, or buried in the sand!

Some will faster believe that they will miraculously sprout wings after death and live forever in some shangri-la in the heavens., than they will hard scientific evidence.

there are over 31,000 American scientists. who would disagree with you.  But what do they know?

to quote  "There is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of carbon dioxide, methane, or other greenhouse gasses is causing or will, in the foreseeable future, cause catastrophic heating of the Earth's atmosphere and disruption of the Earth's climate. Moreover, there is substantial scientific evidence that increases in atmospheric carbon dioxide produce many beneficial effects upon the natural plant and animal environments of the Earth."

But since they dispute what you believe, then they must be wrong.

http://www.oism.org/pproject/

No need to respond because I know exactly what you will say.

[WestCoast]

so has there been a study to figure out HOW long it would take the Environment to "Right Itself" after all the changes that people say are required in doing things