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Dis is not football but ah dont care...
« on: February 14, 2007, 07:21:22 AM »
Just come across de lyrics for this masterpiece and it would be unfair to not share it. We all know it but ah dont know if we remember it. So ah go drop de lyrics for all de real Trinbagonians in de house.  Thisa is still de best tune every written.  If yuh want to sing along to de music yuh go find it on toronto-lime .com under de classics....

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Today when I look around in the world, what do i see
I see footprints that man have left on the sand
While waking through times
I see fruits of our ambitions
Figments of our imaginations
And I ask myself, when will it end, when will it end

It is plain to see universally this land is not bountiful as it was
Simply because in its quest for success
Nothing stands in man's way
Old rivers run dry, soon the birds wouldn't fly
The mountains will be no longer high
And when I really think of it
I does wonder why, oh why

[verse 2]
I see charity deplored, equal rights totally ignored
Wisdom and ingenuity working in accord, simply to afford
Such inventions as total nuclear warfare and environmental warfare
And I wonder now, where do we go from here

Prophets everywhere gaze up on the horyzon and declare that judge will come
As the hands of unscruplous men pale everything past by
Time is running out
As we eat and drink species are at the brink of being extinct
And I think, no one can deny
That the price of progress is high, real high

[verse 3]
I see consciousness as bait, as today we live recklessly
Money, lately goes inflate and thereby create a turbulent state
I see a struggle between the sexes
New hang-ups and old complexes
Now the question is
Right in context, what shall by next

I've already seen this world have come divided between race, colour, creed
and class
And some of the things the scripture predict truthfully come to past
Soil that wouldn't bare
Children making children to be a part of this growing mass
And I ask, if this is progress ?
How long will it last
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Re: Dis is not football but ah dont care...
« Reply #1 on: February 14, 2007, 07:24:01 AM »
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Re: Dis is not football but ah dont care...
« Reply #2 on: February 14, 2007, 07:58:15 AM »
Nice memories.

On a related note, does anybody have, or know of, any collection of songs written by Merchant?
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« Reply #3 on: February 14, 2007, 03:10:45 PM »
dat was a good calypso
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Re: Dis is not football but ah dont care...
« Reply #4 on: February 14, 2007, 03:45:42 PM »
Nice memories.

On a related note, does anybody have, or know of, any collection of songs written by Merchant?


http://www.ecaroh.com/calypso/merchant_theearlyyears.htm



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Re: Dis is not football but ah dont care...
« Reply #5 on: February 14, 2007, 06:09:13 PM »
dat was a nice kaiso , how can you say dat like dat, yuh say dat like the kaiso ded ,doh feel know how ah jus correction dah statement ,dat iz a nice kaiso ,becaz it doz sound better  every time ah hear it .
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« Reply #6 on: February 15, 2007, 12:46:17 AM »
Nice, thanks fuh posting breds.

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Re: Dis is not football but ah dont care...
« Reply #7 on: February 15, 2007, 01:18:18 PM »
Nice memories.

On a related note, does anybody have, or know of, any collection of songs written by Merchant?

i have merchant if u want man lemme know..but the wmv files.
plus on some prior thread i had put a link to some pics of vintage kiaso and calypsonians.
from attilla de hun to merchant and roaring lion.
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« Reply #8 on: February 15, 2007, 06:50:56 PM »
TI, ah did hear dat same talk bout merchant did write de kaiso for austin.....  Be dat as it may, dat kaiso gone clear. De man was singing bout some ting where everytime yuh read it or sing it it does be relevant to your day and time.  Give thanks for de feedback on this piece of music.
Dat shoulda probably be TnT national song.

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« Reply #9 on: February 15, 2007, 07:25:39 PM »
Might be kinda too sad , wha about this  http://www.toronto-lime.com/music/classics/sinking_ship.htm

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« Reply #10 on: February 15, 2007, 08:14:26 PM »
TI, ah did hear dat same talk bout merchant did write de kaiso for austin.....  Be dat as it may, dat kaiso gone clear. De man was singing bout some ting where everytime yuh read it or sing it it does be relevant to your day and time.  Give thanks for de feedback on this piece of music.
Dat shoulda probably be TnT national song.

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that song...the content..was way ahead of his time. prophetic
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« Reply #11 on: February 15, 2007, 08:23:46 PM »
ah lil rumour that i heard, merchant was believed to write this song for austin.... serious talk....

and jdb i have merchant music, most of it, one of my favorite artists ever, check meh...

God is de BOSS...
ah wasnt sure but i heard that austin wrote the song so i went to check.
he did write it according to this site
 http://www.tntisland.com/topcalypsos.html
merchant wrote alot of songs especialy for mighty trini.

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« Reply #12 on: February 16, 2007, 11:24:57 AM »
ah lil rumour that i heard, merchant was believed to write this song for austin.... serious talk....

and jdb i have merchant music, most of it, one of my favorite artists ever, check meh...

God is de BOSS...
ah wasnt sure but i heard that austin wrote the song so i went to check.
he did write it according to this site
 http://www.tntisland.com/topcalypsos.html
merchant wrote alot of songs especialy for mighty trini.



merchant wrote for mighty but he also wrote this song for austin..

the story does go like dis: in merchant sick days, when he was dying of hiv for all those who dont know, austin approach him at he house, merchant tell him sit down, austin say ah want ah song for de king, merchant say stay awhile ill write on fuh yuh, in de next few hours merchant wrote progress for austin, hours yuh know breddah, gave him de tune, dis info coming from a very reliable source, a source who knew austin and he son... Merchant was one of de bess writers we had, God rest he soul

God is de BOSS...
ok man instead of arguing with u i go jus post this..which i read years sgo u read it for your self yes. then tell dem dey eh know what thye talking bout.
btw that story about merchant is i tell u that when i was asking u for merchant music.. u like u does always have your court clothes press.
penguin son who went to school with me told me that story when i wa sin college and his father told him that and it wasnt bout king austin steups
so the song was written by--

The Progress of Winsford 'Joker' Devine---- and if u want info bout joker devine to rattle of like u know also...ask meh cause i read about him also..lol they also had an interview with him on tv while i was there so ask meh. i go tell u
- A Review

The book, 'The Progress of Winsford Devine', records the literary prowess of the ingenious songwriter, Winsford 'Joker' Devine. Over the past 40 years, Joker has written Calypso and Soca songs for many of the top singers including Crazy, Sparrow, Machel Montano, Singing Francine, Mighty Trini, Charlene Boodram, Sugar Aloes, Marcia Miranda, Karen Asche, Poser, Baron, Explainer, Blakie and Austin. However, the contribution of this master songwriter, who hails from Patna Village, Diego Martin, to the Calypso artform has largely gone unnoticed. The book contains contributions from Alvin Daniell, Lincoln Depradine and journalists Nandi Ogunlade and Terry Joseph.

According to the eloquent Nandi Ogunlade, "Devine embraces a noble tradition as calypso is part of a rich cultural tapestry that evolved from the memories of enslaved Africans. As a soca composer -distinguishable from calypso by its crammed beats per minute and eclectic blends with eastern, soul, reggae, rap, pop, jazz and other musical forms- he has spearheaded a musical evolution with mellifluous melodies for voice, brass and steel instrumentation." Nandi acknowledges that not every Devine lyric is profound nor every rhythm sweet, but argues that cushioned within the 600 strong catalogue are timeless gems that have influenced cultural movements, shaped political thought and fueled his nation's propensity for bacchanal. Nandi's observation seems a fitting tribute to the lyrical genius of Winsford 'Joker' Devine.

Lincoln Depradine briefly outlines the history of Joker Devine who was born in the rural area of Morne Diablo on August 15th, 1943. Devine later moved to Nelson Street, Port of Spain - an area buzzing with creativity - and it was here 'among the crhme de la crhme of Steelband artistes that the Devine legend would blossom.' Depradine notes that in the peak of his career in the 1980s, Joker averaged about 40 songs every Carnival season, many of which found favour in the court of public opinion.

The book however is not a direct biography of Joker but a collection of his lyrics which span a 40 year period. Winsford Devine's mass of writings are an eclectic mix of poetry, social commentary and party songs. His party songs especially those with a double meaning of a sexual nature has, as Nandi Ogunlade puts it, fueled his nation's propensity for bacchanal. Many of these songs have been popularized by Sparrow and Crazy. Nandi notes that his themes span science, geography, civics, economics, civilization, culture, technology, history, socialization, development and a multiplicity of subthemes. One of his compositions, 'Progress', sung by King Austin, was voted 'Calypso of the Millennium' by the Trinbago Unified Calypso Organisation (TUCO). Progress is a haunting song that calls attention to nature and direction of our development:
"Prophets everywhere gaze upon the
horizon and declare
That judgment will come
As the savage hands of unscrupulous
Men defile everything pass by
Time is running out as we eat and drink
Species at the brink of being extinct
And I think no one can deny that the
price of progress is high, real high"

Among his classics are 'Don't Rock It So', 'Memories', 'Every Shadow Walk With a Gun', 'Guardians', 'In Time to Come', 'Somebody', 'Steelband Woman', 'Take Me Back Africa', 'Too Young to Soca' and 'River of Tears'. Sparrow alone has sung over 60 of his songs including: 'This World Don't Like Nothing Black', 'Phillip My Dear', 'Marajhin', 'Queen of the Band', 'Rope', 'Saltfish', 'Isolate South Africa', 'Ah Digging Horrors' and 'Survival'. Joker's lyrical content portrays a concern for social class issues, environmental destruction, history, culture and politics as they relate to national development. Devine's song, 'Save our Domestics' sung by Singing Francine addresses both class and gender discrimination in a sensitive and creative way:

"For her jobs are overly strenuous
and her recompense very small
Yet in this constant struggle around us
No one thinks about her at all
She is a toy for the master
A slave for the mistress
Each day from six to six
She got to clean out the toilet
Dust out the closet
Put up with the children's tricks
Do the cooking, the washing,
the shopping, the scrubbing
Take all the hysterics
It is high time somebody somewhere
Do something
And save our domestics"

Indeed, a common thread that runs through many of his songs is a strong concern for the interests of ordinary people and a critique of the direction that society is going. Joker's focus extends past the boundaries of Trinidad and Tobago to issues of Caribbean and international importance. For instance, his song, 'Man: The Warmonger' is a telling analysis of the present international arena:

"Man invented weapons of mass destruction
To annihilate all his enemies
But until Armageddon
He won't understand
His real foes are his ideologies
Like colonialism and slavery
What comes out of the human mind
Often leads to intimidation and discord
Due to man's constant aggravation
And his disregard for the law
We may be facing extinction
Via war: WAR
Man will make war for gold and material riches
Man made war in Iraq and Afghanistan
And say he fighting for democracy
Next he may well attack Syria and Iran
While his fellows look on passively
In two worlds he slaughtered millions
But it seems like man never learns
From his transgressions"

The life and lyrics of Winsford 'Joker' Devine reflects a striving to express the nature of his social space. From the sexuality and bacchanal of the dance floor, to the majestic pan woman and the ingenious steel pan movement, to the topical social and political issues of the day, the Joker is equally comfortable. Though some may say that Joker's 'bacchanal' songs contradict his songs of nation building, this is a view that Joker is quite aware of, and all in all, this mix gives his vast collection of lyrics an interesting flavour. Furthermore, his struggle for his (copy) rights as told in the book is an important part of the due recognition and recompense being accorded to this lyrical genius for his contribution in articulating the stories and issues of our time.

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« Reply #13 on: February 19, 2007, 02:04:02 PM »
ah lil rumour that i heard, merchant was believed to write this song for austin.... serious talk....

and jdb i have merchant music, most of it, one of my favorite artists ever, check meh...

God is de BOSS...
ah wasnt sure but i heard that austin wrote the song so i went to check.
he did write it according to this site
 http://www.tntisland.com/topcalypsos.html
merchant wrote alot of songs especialy for mighty trini.



merchant wrote for mighty but he also wrote this song for austin..

the story does go like dis: in merchant sick days, when he was dying of hiv for all those who dont know, austin approach him at he house, merchant tell him sit down, austin say ah want ah song for de king, merchant say stay awhile ill write on fuh yuh, in de next few hours merchant wrote progress for austin, hours yuh know breddah, gave him de tune, dis info coming from a very reliable source, a source who knew austin and he son... Merchant was one of de bess writers we had, God rest he soul

God is de BOSS...
ok man instead of arguing with u i go jus post this..which i read years sgo u read it for your self yes. then tell dem dey eh know what thye talking bout.
btw that story about merchant is i tell u that when i was asking u for merchant music.. u like u does always have your court clothes press.
penguin son who went to school with me told me that story when i wa sin college and his father told him that and it wasnt bout king austin steups
so the song was written by--

The Progress of Winsford 'Joker' Devine---- and if u want info bout joker devine to rattle of like u know also...ask meh cause i read about him also..lol they also had an interview with him on tv while i was there so ask meh. i go tell u
- A Review

The book, 'The Progress of Winsford Devine', records the literary prowess of the ingenious songwriter, Winsford 'Joker' Devine. Over the past 40 years, Joker has written Calypso and Soca songs for many of the top singers including Crazy, Sparrow, Machel Montano, Singing Francine, Mighty Trini, Charlene Boodram, Sugar Aloes, Marcia Miranda, Karen Asche, Poser, Baron, Explainer, Blakie and Austin. However, the contribution of this master songwriter, who hails from Patna Village, Diego Martin, to the Calypso artform has largely gone unnoticed. The book contains contributions from Alvin Daniell, Lincoln Depradine and journalists Nandi Ogunlade and Terry Joseph.

According to the eloquent Nandi Ogunlade, "Devine embraces a noble tradition as calypso is part of a rich cultural tapestry that evolved from the memories of enslaved Africans. As a soca composer -distinguishable from calypso by its crammed beats per minute and eclectic blends with eastern, soul, reggae, rap, pop, jazz and other musical forms- he has spearheaded a musical evolution with mellifluous melodies for voice, brass and steel instrumentation." Nandi acknowledges that not every Devine lyric is profound nor every rhythm sweet, but argues that cushioned within the 600 strong catalogue are timeless gems that have influenced cultural movements, shaped political thought and fueled his nation's propensity for bacchanal. Nandi's observation seems a fitting tribute to the lyrical genius of Winsford 'Joker' Devine.

Lincoln Depradine briefly outlines the history of Joker Devine who was born in the rural area of Morne Diablo on August 15th, 1943. Devine later moved to Nelson Street, Port of Spain - an area buzzing with creativity - and it was here 'among the crhme de la crhme of Steelband artistes that the Devine legend would blossom.' Depradine notes that in the peak of his career in the 1980s, Joker averaged about 40 songs every Carnival season, many of which found favour in the court of public opinion.

The book however is not a direct biography of Joker but a collection of his lyrics which span a 40 year period. Winsford Devine's mass of writings are an eclectic mix of poetry, social commentary and party songs. His party songs especially those with a double meaning of a sexual nature has, as Nandi Ogunlade puts it, fueled his nation's propensity for bacchanal. Many of these songs have been popularized by Sparrow and Crazy. Nandi notes that his themes span science, geography, civics, economics, civilization, culture, technology, history, socialization, development and a multiplicity of subthemes. One of his compositions, 'Progress', sung by King Austin, was voted 'Calypso of the Millennium' by the Trinbago Unified Calypso Organisation (TUCO). Progress is a haunting song that calls attention to nature and direction of our development:
"Prophets everywhere gaze upon the
horizon and declare
That judgment will come
As the savage hands of unscrupulous
Men defile everything pass by
Time is running out as we eat and drink
Species at the brink of being extinct
And I think no one can deny that the
price of progress is high, real high"

Among his classics are 'Don't Rock It So', 'Memories', 'Every Shadow Walk With a Gun', 'Guardians', 'In Time to Come', 'Somebody', 'Steelband Woman', 'Take Me Back Africa', 'Too Young to Soca' and 'River of Tears'. Sparrow alone has sung over 60 of his songs including: 'This World Don't Like Nothing Black', 'Phillip My Dear', 'Marajhin', 'Queen of the Band', 'Rope', 'Saltfish', 'Isolate South Africa', 'Ah Digging Horrors' and 'Survival'. Joker's lyrical content portrays a concern for social class issues, environmental destruction, history, culture and politics as they relate to national development. Devine's song, 'Save our Domestics' sung by Singing Francine addresses both class and gender discrimination in a sensitive and creative way:

"For her jobs are overly strenuous
and her recompense very small
Yet in this constant struggle around us
No one thinks about her at all
She is a toy for the master
A slave for the mistress
Each day from six to six
She got to clean out the toilet
Dust out the closet
Put up with the children's tricks
Do the cooking, the washing,
the shopping, the scrubbing
Take all the hysterics
It is high time somebody somewhere
Do something
And save our domestics"

Indeed, a common thread that runs through many of his songs is a strong concern for the interests of ordinary people and a critique of the direction that society is going. Joker's focus extends past the boundaries of Trinidad and Tobago to issues of Caribbean and international importance. For instance, his song, 'Man: The Warmonger' is a telling analysis of the present international arena:

"Man invented weapons of mass destruction
To annihilate all his enemies
But until Armageddon
He won't understand
His real foes are his ideologies
Like colonialism and slavery
What comes out of the human mind
Often leads to intimidation and discord
Due to man's constant aggravation
And his disregard for the law
We may be facing extinction
Via war: WAR
Man will make war for gold and material riches
Man made war in Iraq and Afghanistan
And say he fighting for democracy
Next he may well attack Syria and Iran
While his fellows look on passively
In two worlds he slaughtered millions
But it seems like man never learns
From his transgressions"

The life and lyrics of Winsford 'Joker' Devine reflects a striving to express the nature of his social space. From the sexuality and bacchanal of the dance floor, to the majestic pan woman and the ingenious steel pan movement, to the topical social and political issues of the day, the Joker is equally comfortable. Though some may say that Joker's 'bacchanal' songs contradict his songs of nation building, this is a view that Joker is quite aware of, and all in all, this mix gives his vast collection of lyrics an interesting flavour. Furthermore, his struggle for his (copy) rights as told in the book is an important part of the due recognition and recompense being accorded to this lyrical genius for his contribution in articulating the stories and issues of our time.



 :rotfl: :rotfl: my badd dey, i cant even remember you tell meh dat, plus it have other people know de same story, so i wasnt talkin shit, whether you tell me or not, take win, anyways thats probably one of the first times i was wrong about something regarding music, otherwise yuh cant talk tuh meh about we music bc i read more about our music than you could imagine, so if this is a competition to see who more knowledgable you will surely lose, juss bc you know one story doh mean yuh know everything, you didnt even know merchant dead of HIV, is I tell yuh dat, so cool yuhself organic, i not starting no war wit you and de ress of yuh mignons, i done wit allyuh jokers long time...

God is de BOSS...
man what i know i know eh no competition.if i didnt know i woulda say buttin. n i sprry but u didnt inform me that merchant died of aids man.. i saw that on  a documentry while i was still living trinidad...they had an interview with mighty trini who was qutie upset how de goverrnment n soca industry treated gim. talk done bro, if u think u told me that then cool u believe that.
lol@cool mt self yuh go beat meh jus now boy

horse what is that one?? yuh either jus call meh de devil or call other people devil servers. if u jus call me de devil i eh appreciate it..i am hurt.  :'(
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